Jokes GAC GAW interview

Sight Zilla interviews LA legend Jokes GAC crew, GAW crew.....Jokes wanted to correct a reference to Gin, the graffiti writer. In the interview, Jokes mentions that Gin represents East LA, but Gin represents the Pico Union area.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Alright, it's 3.20, Sunday afternoon. Uh doing another episode of the podcast up next. I got my daughter with me, Addy. We're doing real organic right now. We got special guests, legends, uh, jokes. Um Jokes is uh legend to me because he's one of the first people I saw in South Central when I was getting up and learning when I was running around the city, being a toy and all that shit, learning the game, soaking up the game. Uh Jokes is one of those people, one of those South Central legends that I saw up and wasn't an operation. Um So Jokes, what's crew what crew do you what crews you uh you repping today, man?

SPEAKER_03 0:55

I'm jokes from GAC GAW.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Alright, alright. Um, you know, I haven't seen you in a long time, man. I haven't seen your tags, and then out of nowhere, I see the jokes, the joke, the burners, the bombs, and I'm like, damn, he's back. So I don't wanna call it a comeback. I feel like he always been around. But um, where you been at, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:23

Well, shit. That question is uh, you gotta ask how long? You know what I mean? I've been around, I've been out of jail for the past four years. Which is the longest run I've had since I was like 11. You know what I mean? So I've been in and out of jail my whole life. That's been my lifestyle. That's been my life. In and out of jail. Short times. Not like you, you know what I mean? A big eight nine stretch. Yeah. You know what I mean? They hit me with the threes, the twos, the fives. But I get in, I get out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

And that's where I've been at. Yeah. So like I see you rapping GAW, man, that's a fucking dope. LA crew that doesn't get enough respect that it deserves. Um, how's it feel to be from GAW, man? You know what?

SPEAKER_03 2:17

That's uh that's a real good question. Because people think I just got into GW. Yeah. Because, you know, back in the day, you know, like how I was supposed to. Because I got in JW 1999.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

Around the time I was like fading out already.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Or like I say, around the time life was starting to start.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Because when you talk about graph to me, all I can tell you is it's the time. Yeah. That's all I can say. When you speak to me about graph, it's the time. This is not the time. I'm doing graph right now. This is not the time of graphing. Yeah. This is following my end, right? Okay. You know what I mean? This is probably the end. Who knows? The next 10 years, you know, we're dying young right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

I'm gonna keep it 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

Um, my generation of dudes that I know, yeah, they're dying real young. Not so shit, or maybe we you we fucking uh we we abuse our body in our error. Yeah, you know, we really did. And uh a lot of us are dying. Stupid shit, but uh let me get off track. JW, I've been this is 99 and it's a crew I respect so much. Yeah, you know, like you said, you know, you seen me when you were young. Yeah. Well, this is doing so I seen killing shit. Yeah, you know what I mean? To Ben, dudes, skirt, wisdom, all of them. Yeah. Yeah, you still run it. Yeah, so uh, yeah. I respect them so much. They all put in the work, and that's what I like to see. And when dudes asked me to get in back in 1999, even though um they were like faded out too. You know what I mean? They weren't they weren't around no more like like how they were right now, like the presence they have right now. The new guys, these new GWs they got right now, their presence is known. You know what I mean? They're they're you know, they're doing stuff, you know, and I love that. And that's probably one of the things why I'm out here doing it harder, you know, because I see how good these new guys are doing. You know, and they're doing awesome, you know, Alec, Greg, all of them dudes, you know, Miz, all the little homies from JW, you know, we're dope, you know. Because I know Mip's is more kids. You know, he's always been dope. But I used to feel that I was dope. Even though he was dope, I used to feel, you know, I was just a feeling everybody's. No, bitch always been dope. You know, and fucking uh, but still, you know how back in the days, you know, you had that big head, you know, when you you write when you kid, you know, when you were a kid, is it trip now? Is it trip because now referee writers are older? And uh it's like older men writing now. And I'm one of them. You know, but it's fucking rare to me. Yeah. Because when I was a kid, we used to make fun of an old ass tagging. Like, what the fuck? I remember seeing two dudes jump out tagging, they were like 24. We like 12, 14, you know, and we're like, what the hell?

unknown 5:23

They look just really strange.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

You know, more gang members you think tagged than than taggers at their age. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Yeah, it's crazy, man, because uh you got women. Uh shout out to uh She-Bombs and um some other girls and Jism, they're they're they're up in age and they're writing.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Like Jism, Jism is, you know, a very mature woman. Uh She-Bomb's very mature woman. These are moms out here. They got kids and everything now. You're painting and shit. And she's um, how long has she been writing here?

unknown 6:01

Who?

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Jism? Jism? Man, man, I found Jism through one of the homies that was from CTF. And I, you know, I don't know what happened to him, but me and her stay in touch. I ran into her when she was 16 years old. And um I was like, man, you gotta be you gotta be from the crew, you know? So she got in the crew and we making those trips up the workmans, up the Melrose, bus hopping and shit. But she been from the crew, we put her on what? 2000, was that 2000 to 2002? Was it 2002? I think it was 2001, 2002.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

So she's been around for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

She she never never went anywhere. Uh she just, you know, did her mommy thing. She's raising kids and shit.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Yeah. And then now Yeah, I think I met her at baby daddy in jail one time.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Okay. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 7:04

Yeah. I'm not saying no names though.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Yeah, we don't have to say no names, man. But we know who it is. Um, yeah, but yeah, she's been writing for a minute, but now's the time where she finally got, she was able to like really test her limits and really get out there. She's and fall, and she, you know what it is? She finally got an opportunity to fall in love with it. Right now she's really in love with graph. I I I had the honeymoon period way back in the day. Um now it's just like a just a romance I maintain, but she's in love with it right now. Um how do you feel about females in graph and all that? Like, what do you think you think they bring is good for the game, is bad for the game? Like, how do you feel about females writing graphs?

SPEAKER_03 7:56

Of course, it's good. And then right now, it's it's it's a lot of them. And they're putting them work, you know? This is dope. And they're not, you know, like I said, they're not no kids like when I was a kid or whatever, you know. You think there's a difference between the girl writers from back then and today? I think there's a difference between the writers back then and right now, period.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

What's the difference? What's the difference you see?

SPEAKER_03 8:17

Oh, I don't want to talk shit.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

But you just say the good things, you don't have to hear.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

I don't want to talk shit, but I'm gonna have to. But yeah, uh, like I said, um I feel I'm toy.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Okay. That's what I feel. I still feel that way too.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

I feel like in 30 years, I feel toy. I'm in the same boat. And um, I'm um I'm hard on myself, and I think Herbie should be. And I just don't like how Renal, especially in South Central. And all around, everybody just does the same old, holy, real quick, and just like everything. Man, I'm guilty of that, man. Hey, you spray this shit, though. I'm gonna tell you like this. I'm having this conversation with people. And I said I'll put the blame on Say. You know what I mean? Say caught the eight years for that. And not only that, I said I haven't been in someone spinning ear to do that. And I'm not gonna say his name either.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

But I know. To do the same side bomb? Yes. Nah, nah, nah, no one told me to do that. That's another side bomb. You know what? I I got that from a coke too. Okay. I watched that uh King is destroyed video where he was doing the same coke bomb everywhere in New York, everywhere in New York. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

And I'm like, I could do that too. Yeah. I could do that on the West Coast. And that's why you got that time. Because they were able to fucking read your shit every time. You know what I mean? That's one thing I'll notice. And don't get me wrong, I'll do the same bombs too. I try to make a little different. Yeah. You know, I try to do them a little different, a little different every time. Yeah. But you know, it is what it is. Once you go bombing as much as you do, as much as we do, it ain't that many fonts to do. Yeah. Because we doing the fucking so many bombs.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

There's people, I mean, people are changing it, but it's still. I'll take the blame for it, man. I see a lot, I see a lot of people doing the same thing. But I thought, like, okay, when I do it, yeah, I'm gonna be the only one doing that shit. I didn't think like you know, set a train or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

And it's crazy because to me, graph is like, you know, GC, right? Yeah. Graph art competition, you know. So when I'm writing with you, I'm in the competition with you.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:30

You know, and it's not it's a friendly competition. Whoever I'm with, I love like when I paint with Jizer, because you know he's way better than me. So I love that shit. Yeah, because I gotta keep up with you. You know what I mean? And um, and that's what it's all about. And uh, and I feel that my generation of graph, our generation, look, even though you're my age site, I feel I'm not disrespectful, I still feel like you're one generation higher than me of graph. Why are you saying that? Like, like older, like I'm I started writing in '92. When did you start writing? I didn't start writing until uh 2000. 2000. So you see what I mean? You started writing when I started. I feel like I the way I feel like I'm after you. You after me, yeah, something after me. Not after me, yeah. The one generation after me. After me, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

And that's why I look up to you, because when I was when I came out, I'm seeing the big ass jokes, GAC tags, and I'm seeing you up on the buses. Yeah. Cause you killed the buses too. I did ever I did a little bit of everything. I seen the tags on the acrylic, the acrylic tags on the bus seat. I seen that shit. We tried our best. I seen you, uh you were you were one of the best at whacking people out. You're you I'm not gonna say who's I'll take the stay on top for that. You stay on top, you stay on top of it.

SPEAKER_03 11:42

I love that. One thing that distinguished me about that, and I'm gonna tell you right now, this is something I learned from my brother Rest in Peace. Yeah. He said, he told me, you know, he was a gang member though. But he loved to write. Right? He liked the cry lines, the fat cap streaks, all that. Even I even went writing with him as a kid. Yeah. But um, he said, when you got beef with somebody and you crossed them out, you don't put your hood or you don't put your crew. Yeah. You put your name so they can know it was you.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:09

So they can know that you did it, and they can know that you want that beef, you want that smoke. Whatever you got coming, you got coming. Don't try to put it on the crew, put it on you. And that's not, it's not, it's not, it's just a rule that he put for himself. He passed on to me, which I ran with it, and he did it to me subconsciously, because he didn't even tell me in these words that I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

He basically went and did it in front of me, and it subconsciously I picked up on it. He would cross people out and wouldn't put, he would only put his name. Yeah. You know, so subconsciously I picked up on that, yeah, and someone actually um like spoke about it. Like I heard it from someone else, but then they mentioned it. That I always put my name when I call somebody out, and I never put the crew, and they didn't respect that.

unknown 12:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

And I was like, okay, that's cool. You know, because to say whatever, you know, I'm from GAC, 90s writer, and I did have a lot of beef.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

You know, I saw you at Ryan Fest last month. First time I've ever done any function like that.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

First time I've ever been to any hip-hop function like that. Like in the 90s, I went to anything like that. Nine times out of ten I would finally got my ass whipped by a lot of people. You know, we have beef or whatever. Different time.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:28

Different time. Plus, it wasn't like it's different now. It's love.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

Yeah. You know, and I love that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:33

And I see people like making money off the shit. Yeah. I love that too.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

Because I've been in jail my whole life for making money. Yeah. And now that people are making money off of this, that's crazy. And uh, I'm not saying like I've never made a dollar off of graph. You know what I mean? Not one dollar. But if there's money to be made off of graph, then hopefully one day I can make a dollar off of it.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

You know what I mean? Because I do feel that I deserve it. You know what I mean? I do feel that I put in my notework.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

But my generation of graph, even though I put in all that work, I felt like I put in a lot.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

But it was a tough generation of graph. You know, we had a lot of dudes out here killing shit.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

You know, and it's I took my hat to them dudes, you know, way better than me. Yeah. Harder than me, doing the most, you know.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

And uh and I love that. I love I love my generation of graph. You know, and then right now I'm painting. I hope that these new generation of graph, like, I wish they can go through what I went through. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, trying to keep up with this dude or or just this type of shit. Like too many dudes. I can I can tell you names right now, and it's too many. You know, because you know them all.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

It's too many dudes out here that were doing too much shit, you know, and they're still here to this day and they're making money off this. Yeah. That's just crazy.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

You know, that's tight.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

It's tight.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

I guess it'll be interesting to see. I got I got two parts of this this question. Part one of this question is Who is on your Mount Rushmore? A graffiti artist? The five, who are the five greatest graffiti artists of all time? To you. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

Number five? Should be number one. Who's that?

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Um and the second part to this question. Second part is, uh, who are the five most inspirational graffiti artists for you out of South Central LA? Because South Central LA got their own, like, own city, own killers, own like, own little like stadium for rap. A lot, a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

I love South Central Grass. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

You know.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

It's a mixture, like gang and grass.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

It's just even the letters. Yeah. You know? And I like those letters. But yeah, of course, Jen is the lady, but I gin and deuce. Yeah. Gin and Deuce is what I there were the dudes I used to look up to, like, when I was a kid. But it's crazy that I'm from GW. Yeah. And it's crazy, and it's crazy that I'm from G C too. And G C like when I started G C it had nothing to do with GW. Like I GW was not on my mind. It sounds similar. I don't know why. But yeah, those of the dudes that I mean, and it wasn't because they were so dope. Because they had basics, you know, like Jen and Dudes that were like kind of basic. Yeah. But it was the spots they catch. Yeah. You know, I would see them up there.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:57

I would see them up there on the freeway, heavies, and I would see them up everywhere on the top. Yeah. And I don't know who you notice how I paint. Yeah. I'm a big ass dude.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:06

But I want to catch that high spot.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

You know, if I can get up there, I'm going to go up.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Yeah, I've seen some of your spots you've been catching like. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 17:13

So if I can get up there, I'm going to go up there. I think they inspire me on that. You know, and I love it to me, so painting is cool. I love it. You know, it takes away stress and everything. I love it. I love it, the whole thing. But when I'm up on a rooftop or a billboard, whatever, anything hot. It can just be one floor. It don't even matter. It feels so good to me. The feeling I get of being up there painting, I like it. You know what I mean? And I love to pass by and see it after. But yeah, Jinn and Dudes for sure. But I gotta get up to Biser. Biser? Yeah. Which Biser? Biser, uh see, Biser was from FBM A K. Okay. And he got into KRP like towards the end. Right? He was there that day.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Um the Ryan Fest. Yeah, he was at the Run Fest. That's my first time, I think my first or second time meeting him.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

Okay, so he did, you know, he did his shit.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

You know, back uh I remember Sim do his shit, and he did his shit all around South Central.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

And to me it was crazy because um when he got into K for P, I was like, whoa, you know, because I didn't really thought he was already like top, you know what I mean? Yeah. And then Keeper P's, for sure, every one of them dudes from the 90s. I love their shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? Man's super hostie, Mr. P's, all, you know, all of them do their stuff, you know? And yeah, South Central has, you know, they have a lot of uh writers, you know. A lot of writers from back in the days, but they're gonna talk on it. Okay, so we say um uh so we're saying Deuce, Jin, uh Biser, all of them, all the GWs, they mean all the G and Ws, they did that shit, though. Chico Bruin.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

See, I'm I'm I'm so young, man. Izer, uh Chico Bruin, uh Avs, these guys that came before me, but I know the legends and shit. Yeah, you probably don't remember their work, you know. I mean, I see Ask and the Lemma getting up right now, they're doing their thing, but I don't I don't remember that work from back then. I mean in the early 90s, I was in like elementary school, junior high school, or something like that. You know, so um yeah, man, that's that's fucking dope, man. Um I mean, like, if you know, there's a lot of new cats coming out, right? There's this anti-style graffiti shit that's popping off where uh there's a little, there's a little confusion, right? Because I talk to the old heads and shit, and they're like, they don't like the anti-style graffiti. That's it. There's there's there's structure and there's rules to it. And a lot of people that do the anti-style graffiti are just like they're not for the structure and the rules. They're just like, I'm gonna do it like this, I don't have no style, but this is what it is. Okay. But this is a graffiti, this is my graffiti. So, like, I mean, I talk to Create, Create's like graffiti is just, you know, a word, a letter contortionist, professional letter contortionist or something like that, but I mean, and then some cats say if it's illegal, it's graffiti. So, like, um, like, I know it's a lot of politics, a lot of like people that kind of like kind of dictate what graffiti is, what is not. But, I mean, like, I'm not I'm not, we're not, we're not here to say what's better, because I don't want to get into that that conversation, because then people get upset. But I mean, what's some of the most important things that a new graffiti artist or graffiti writer, because it's there's a difference, um, what are some things they should should like bring, like they should know before they go out there? Because uh for me they should, and I'm hearing this from the OGs, and they're saying they need to do their history. They need to learn their history. Yeah, that's true. They need to know the history before they choose a name. Yeah, they need to know if someone wrote that name and the history behind that name.

SPEAKER_03 21:14

Yeah, that's true. I I've been usually capping somebody that writes jokes. Yeah, you know, and uh yeah, he should know, like, and and and I get it, my name's basic. Yeah, it's it's a normal name, you know. The only reason I write my name, it was the name I was passed down to.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

You know, from uh my brother.

unknown 21:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

Jokey Red De P. So my name is really Jokey. Yeah, you know, Joe's, yeah. Jokey. But uh, it sounds too gangster. Yeah. So I write joke. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Because I don't like that gang shit. Yeah. I was raised by gang members. Yeah, don't like their good down. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? But I do respect the real G's.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

Just because you're from a gang don't mean you're a G. I was raised around the game. So I know. And uh, but yeah, uh what I would tell the writers is know your history, you know. Like right now, I really came back and uh I have to fight for my little respect. Yeah, you know, because I got everybody. And it's funny how you say politics, right? Because I guess there is politics. I never went to them. Yeah, I've been writing for 30 years. Who the hell wants politics on me? I know what I'm doing though. You know, but Yeah, man, it's it's it's crazy though, man. You know, I mean I know what I'm doing, yeah, and I've been out here doing stuff, and I wonder if people are being offended. Yeah. Because I've been doing some stuff, you know what I mean? And I don't know if you notice, I'm not capping nobody. But I do go like I'll get in where I fit in.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

So it looks like they're what capped me. Yeah, yeah. But they did it. I just I caught the spot around them or whatever. And I don't know they feel disrespected over that.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

And if they do, I'll apologize. But I mean no disrespect. If I wanted to disrespect you, I would have touched your piece. Yeah. You know what I mean? And took your spot. Yeah. You know what I mean? Even though I feel sometimes and like I should take these through spot. You know, and I do feel like this all the time.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

It's weird, man. It's weird shit. Um, the little homies are politics too. So like I think I did some shit. You caught a freaking big ass tag or spot right down that Chase building on um somewhere in South Social, right? And uh I went and caught the same spot, but I did it my my normal size. And the little homie came and was like, hey, you need to do that shit way bigger, honey. And I was like, what? Like, this is how I get down. How you you 20 years later telling me how I need to paint? So it's like the it's a there's a certain lack of respect when it comes to the politics. Um I was and then if there's people capping too. I don't know why. And they're not doing, they're not following the rules that we were raised with. So it's kind of like, so I gotta keep that in mind. And uh, like oh, I just let it go. Like, I'm gonna go get another spot because they don't know, they don't know the rules. They don't know if they're on some other shit. So I got capped a couple times by cats, and I'm like, alright, alright, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna start nothing. They don't know what they're doing, let me go. But I know there's other people that feel otherwise.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

I want to go back to the same thing. Okay. If I don't, hopefully somebody calls me and they you know, see my shit get capped. Yeah. But if I really want to go back the same thing, yeah. That's how I've always been. And and it's not like um, maybe I don't see it. Yeah, I don't go back the same thing. Yeah. But it's like fuck, I want to go back to the same thing. And so it happens, it always happens like that. Yeah. People always call me Asian don't say catch.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

And I'll just go. And then sometimes they call me and maybe even catch a couple of things. Yeah. You know, it's slip. But I want I want it to be known, you know. And I got DM, you know, Instagram, they DM me right there, you know, because I'll catch them back, the youngsters. And then they don't know who I am, you know, because I came out of nowhere right now.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

So what would I mean what would you do? I mean, like, I was out with the homie Ollie, right? Downtown LA. He's like, oh, I'm gonna go catch. I caught a spot, I wanna go take a picture of it. So we pull up, downtown LA, it's like seven and Broadway, he caught a hot spot. We get there, and there's a dude going over his shit, capping his shit. Yeah. And his girl is in the car as a lookout. Yeah. And the homie was like, hold up, pull over to the side and park. And walked up on the line, who the fuck are you? That's my shit. Yeah. Dude didn't say nothing. And it was some toy ass shit. So he he took his fucking cans and like, I'm gonna, nah, dude, I'm getting my spots back right now. And the dude walked away, he didn't say nothing. Jumped in the car with his girl. They circled the block ten times. The homie got his spot back. So I don't know, that dude's gonna come back, but what would you do in that situation if you see somebody actually capping him shit? Of course.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

I mean, I probably it depends, man. It depends on who it is or it depends on how he's doing it, depends on who it is. Yeah. Depends on what he's doing.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

If he came down, I'm gonna get off and get him like, oh shit. You know what I mean? If the dude beat me in graph, then the dude beat me in graph.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Pain is simple. That's how I look at it.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:29

But if I feel that it's similar or it's the same, or I feel like my shit's better, yeah. I'm gonna be mad, period. Yeah. I'm gonna be mad, period. I'm mad about it, because you've seen the guy do your shit. Yeah. Nobody wants to see your shit going over. Yeah. You know, maybe he was even better than me, maybe I'll still get off and trip. I don't know. I can't tell you if I'm putting in that situation. Yeah. But let me tell you what just happened to me just the other day.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

So the other day I did some shit right out with Slaughter at the freeway.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

Alright, so I'm all hype about it. I like the, you know, I like the spot.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

So I'll go pick up the homie Jizer, I'm both look at it, I'm gonna back off. Yeah. I'm gonna go back home, and I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna go take one more look at it.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:07

So when I get off the freeway, I see a dude, right? And to me, it was like, the quick lance, it was like uh like a homeless guy.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:16

And he had a buck and a rotor. Yeah. And he was crossing people out. Oh shit. And then uh see him crossing out some dude with the right lakes or something like that. And I see him, I'm like, okay. And then I see him cross out ATR or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:32

And then I'm like, I see he keep going. Yeah. So now I'm in my truck and I'm driving by, I'm like, so I pull over.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

I'm like, and this is crazy because this is the old me now. Yeah. This is not, this is like some shit that I don't do now. I'm old, man. You know what I mean? But at the same time, like I said, the past could become the future for me. So my heart's pumping. Yeah, yeah. I gotta bomb three bombs away from where he's at already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm about to go do a little video on Slotsin. And uh I'm about to go kill little Slotsy Moore and do a little video.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

So I'm like, he's about to go cross me out.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

So I parked.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

And I jumped out, boom. You gonna get ready, you know? Yeah. I just did an all-nighter. I just did an all-night doing the rotor, right? All nighter. So I'll go on. And I walk up and I'm like, I'm gonna sock this fool, he's crossing this on the shop. So when I look, he's coughing on my homie's fence, right? From uh D2D. And I used to go paint with him when I already started again. Yeah, me and we had a little run. So I'm like, no, I gotta do something.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

That's the homie.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

So when I walk up, he ain't no fucking homeless dude. Motherfucker got some big ass arms and shit. Damn. Like hooler, or who knows what good right there. You know what I mean? So I look at it like he looks straight, well, you know, like a black gangster.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

You know, he gold rings on and shit, gold chain on the room. I ain't so he live right there though, because they have that little house having a gate. He can open his back gate and he's right by the freeway right there.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Right? So, but his walls are all clean. He's not even tagging, but I'm like, I'm not always mad. Yeah. People come over here attacking. Yeah. But still, like, come on, my boy, you already caught my homie out. And Timmy Cumming kind of like stopped coughing the homie. He caught him a little bit, I'll show you right now. He caught him just a little bit, like Timmy Cumming kind of figured what's going on. You feel me? And uh, and I walked up to him and I'm like, I'm like, bro, no, I'm like, damn. I'm like, bro, what the fuck you caught the shit off for?

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

He's like, what? You know, and I use that word, of course. No, I'm just crossing shit off for, you know what I mean?

unknown 29:34

Yeah, yeah. And uh um, and he looked like even though he kind of confused, you know, he's a gray hair. I'm dressed kind of like red.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

I'm all full of pain.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 29:42

And then he's all like, he squared up. The grandfather, you know what I mean? We squabbing. We squabbing, but we didn't catch each other, he didn't catch me in the face, yeah. He kind of like arms in hand. Yeah. And then he thought about it, the girl crying, screaming, or why I know who she is. Some lady. And he ran to the house to grab food, you know, whatever. But he thought about it, he's like, damn, you know, just like I got food buff and big, whatever, but I'm way bigger than him. I'm a big dude too. You know what I mean? But in my head, I'm like, damn, it's gonna catch me one of them hits and be careful. Yeah, you know what I mean? Romantic. Yeah, my age. But yeah, he was tripped out, he in his face, he was like, What the fuck is an old ass man telling me about this? You know, he didn't know how deep it is, you know what I mean? Because I mean he could have crossed my shit out. Yeah, we would have crossed my shit out, like you said, yeah. I would have not even said nothing.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

I would have just walked up to him and fiend him. Yeah, yeah. You know, like had to. Yeah, yeah. And then told him something.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

That's just how I feel.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

You know what I mean? So I don't know how everybody's not the same as me. Everybody's different, man.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

Like everybody got a different approach. I mean, but you know, for me, I just like, I'm like, whatever, like, you know, I okay, you know, I d I but it's different for me because I do the same bomb all the time. Yeah. But it's different for you because you do different shit. And I like that one. That one I hit. I thought I like it.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

And not only that, look, I felt bad right after. Yeah. I'm too old to be doing this type of shit. I call G like, damn. You know, I'm kinda glad he was a big G like that that was able to defend himself. Yeah. Because if he wasn't, I probably would have sucked the little dude and felt even worse after. Like, damn, I'll suck this fucking smoker or a fucking youngster or whatever the fuck situation. You know, which it was cool. And like I said, now that I'm older, like back in the days, I wouldn't have given a fuck. Yeah. I would have fucking just would have stick or whatever. But that's back in the days, this is this, you know, this is different. Yeah, I grew up uh on the dark side of grass.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

You know, like for everybody that don't know, like you say, you know, you were in junior high. By the time I hit junior high, dudes had almost already killed me off a graft. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, dude, I got like 200 or something stitches on my head. You know what I mean? My brother got killed over my graph beef and his gang beef intertwined. Yeah. You know what I mean? They got intertwined and uh and it was all bad. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I was born into graph uh at a at a like like I say, I'm fucking fucking, I don't know how they say it, but I'm fucking uh I was fucked. Basically, you know what I mean? Like my mind was fucked. You know what I mean? I was a young kid, South Central, you know what I mean, brother killed, dad in jail for murder, you know what I mean? Like uh my my step the only thing I learned, I learned from my brother, you know what I mean? Yeah, he showed me bad shit. Yeah, you know what I mean? And uh here comes the tagger world, right? At the same time, I went into my homie Vessel. I don't know if you know him. Yeah, yeah. But my boy Vessel, which is not my big homie, but I want to say that's my big homie. Yeah. Because he taught me a lot in graph. Basically, he taught me everything I know about graph until he couldn't teach me no more.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

You know what I mean? Because uh he stood at the same level and shit. Like he had um, I didn't know this, yeah, but like he knows he's not all there. He wasn't all there. You know, I used to think, you know, we were young, so I used to think, oh my boy, he's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

But he was literally crazy. You know what I mean? But then I'm glad that he taught me everything he knows, you know, because he taught a crazy man taught me what he knows.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

And we didn't know he was crazy. We learned so much shit from him.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

You know, I ain't gonna lie, I think we were the king rackers.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

You know what I mean? Just at that. We were a rack. I used to call us a racking crew.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:23

To get in my crew, we have to go rack.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

No questions about it. If you weren't with the racking, you weren't you weren't a f you know, you weren't a part of us. You couldn't be a part of us. We're gonna go rack today.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

We're gonna go rack tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

We're gonna go right tonight. You know what I mean? And that's just how it was.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

For us, at least, and that's how Vessel taught me. Yeah. And Silk. Vessel and Silk, they were like Frank partners.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:48

And it was crazy because kind of um we kind of battled against each other out because they used to have a lot of beef that they couldn't handle. Like gangs and shit like that. Yeah, they lived in uh like in the 60s, early 60s, you know, back in uh in the early 90s, it was real, you know, it was hectic back there.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:07

It was real hectic. We had a lot of beef with it, Hispanic gangs and whatever now, you know? Yeah. And um we were used to beefing, you know. Me, Mahome Moko rest in peace. Um, we had brothers that were gang members, so we were kind of like used to that lifestyle. You know, you were used to fighting and whatever people jumping on us at our house and shit like that. You know what I mean? Like this fucked up shit. And they weren't used to that shit. And um, we got them trained for that, you know, and they got us trained for the real writing because they were really like out here writing and shit, like, not like us. We were toys, you know, compared to them. And uh, yeah, it's been up my boy Vessel, man. I've seen him recently. I wish he was right here with me. Uh I love him to death. He's like the funnest dude to kick it with, but his uh his illness, whatever, it got bad. You know what I mean? Or we can't even like kick it like that no more. Like, you know, he's doing bad. And I hope he snaps out of it. You know, because um he just got bad recently, maybe like seven, eight years ago.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

He's one of those dudes that where I always see me, the first thing he asks me is do you have some pain?

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

That's the first thing he has every time, you know? And I love that about him.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

You know, I love that about him. So I gotta give props to my homie Vessel and his big brother, OG Vessel, rest in peace.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

You know, and it's crazy because uh my crew, we're all, we all had brothers rest in peace.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:32

Uh Vessel, Silk, me, you know what I mean? Not all of us, but like the main ones. Yeah, so we had a ship on our show.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Is there any uh, before we wrap this up, man, is there any other props you wanna um, any shout outs you wanna give out or any anybody you wanna um Is there any writers out there you feel that doesn't they don't get as much credit as they deserve?

SPEAKER_03 36:04

Um right now, I think you know, it's a new era. Instagram share, we get their credit. Yeah, you know what I mean? Everybody gets their sh everybody's up. Yeah, you know. Um, but yeah, like I don't know, I think everybody gets their credit, but everybody if you put in work, then people it don't matter what people say or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

Just like the people tell me, like we see you out here in the street. Yeah, you know, I see them out there in the street.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

But like I'm gonna tell the youngsters. Um, if you're not doing no fresh shit, yeah, people like me, people like my homies, they don't see your shit.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

I do. I I look at the street, even the ugliest shit. Yeah. Even the ugliest shit, you know.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:45

I look at it, you know, but a lot of people are not like me. You know, they won't recognize your shit. If your shit is not up to standard. Yeah. You know, and it's supposed to be like that. And I think it should be like that. Yeah. You know, and and now, and and who are me to who am I to talk? But my shit ain't the shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? But I'm trying. Yeah. I'm trying to, you know what I mean? I'm I'm gonna make an effort, you know, to hold down the trick. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's why I bring it back. Because I feel like I didn't reach that level of grasp that I was supposed to. You know what I mean? I'm trying to hit that level of grasp. You know, I wanna be nice with him.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Yeah. You know? Okay, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Anybody wanna give a shout out to? Uh shit. Shout out to the little homie board who's been out here writing with me. You know what I mean? I like I like his shit, you know what I mean? I like I like the improvement that he's giving. You know what I mean? Not only that, uh the dudes catching hella spots. You know what I mean? Shout out to everybody in the you know what I mean. If I didn't shoot you out, you know what I mean? Shout out to everybody in the shootout, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Okay, man.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Shout out to my homie Cooler, G A C in Seattle.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

That's my boy, my day one, my only dude I got left from way back then. Okay. That still loves Tip.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

Alright, and I love that shit.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Alright, man. Thank you for uh the end, man. And um I appreciate your time and your wisdom and uh your opinions, man. Thank you for writing me. Yeah, man. Addie, you got anything you want to say? No? Alright, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

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