TIPE HBK NTS VIP interview

Menez interviews Tipe One, mostly known for his grappling lately, Tipe answers a few questions for the style writers.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Alright. Mike check one too. Mike check one too. Sounds clear. Alright, brother man. Yo name and what crews you represent?

SPEAKER_02 0:12

They call me type H V C N T S.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Alright, dope, man, dope, man. And uh what what what brought you to graffiti? How did how did you how did you discover it?

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Well, essentially, uh you know, I wasn't familiar with it at all. Actually, uh one of my buddies that I was working at a taco bell with named Hyde, he uh introduced me to it, and from there on it was history.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Oh man, that's dope, that's dope. And um, so like the crew the crews you represent, what brought you to those crews? Is HBK something that you or HBC sorry brought something that you brought upon, made up your yourself, or no, a team that brought together?

SPEAKER_02 1:07

It was uh a couple of my buddies and stuff, you know, that I grew up in my neighborhood with. You know, uh we all uh we were skaters and we used to uh go skating and do videos and stuff a lot. And uh one of my uh older homies, he was the oldest one out of the group. Uh he he did a little a little graph in the in the days and he kind of introduced it to all of us, you know, around the same time that uh uh my buddy uh Hyde had it. So it was just a new theme for us, and we all started and we started that crew, you know, around 2002.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Alright. And what brought you to NTS? That's a that's uh that's a legendary old school crew right there. Uh but like we were talking about earlier, man, from the 80s. Yeah. Everybody knows about NTS, man. Notorious is like a big thing. What brought you to the notorious king?

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Yeah, yeah, that's uh that's actually a new journey, you know. My cousin that I lost contact with, you know, several uh several decades ago. You know, uh turns out he was from there and stuff, flex. You know, so uh that that's that's uh really coming to find out all the history of the crew, you know, that's uh a privilege almost, you know. I feel indulged to it.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of history with NTS, man. Like uh one of my next interviews is gonna be intro from NTS. Like he's a cat that I I grew up with that I've known since junior high. He was like oh, he was like two years older than two two two two grades ahead of me. You know, he he graduated from Jeff before I did, and like, you know, like he's just like man, he's a dope cat. So yeah, I don't know. Definitely uh a few more NTSs is gonna be, you know, interviewed on this uh on this hero thing we're doing and shit, but man, so like what are some of the influences that you had?

SPEAKER_02 3:22

You know, uh I was always I was the odd one. You know, I did the odd stuff, you know, so you know, I was always a loner, quiet type, kind of got out the bubble late, you know, exposed to all the you know the amazing stories on the streets and how things worked and you know it was all new to me at such a late age, you know. I always trip on that, so you know, uh it was just man I love to I love to get out there when when I got introduced to graph, it was it was like setting a fire. It was like gasoline to the fire. I I took to it quick, you know, and I was already uh you know, I was already a venturous type. You know, I would climb a lot of stuff, so you know, my internal fear of heights was nonexistent. So, you know, I kinda implemented that into the uh graph. You know, early on, I was, you know, I love rooftop ledgers. You know, that was the thing right there. I was just a natural climb. How the how the hell did he get up on that wall? What did he grab on? Oh, there, there we go. Okay, so yeah, you know. Yeah, it took off from there and stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

So Yeah, that that that's like a a lot of stuff that I I I personally see that you're known for. It's like you get some high-ass spots and I never see you on the ground and shit, man.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Yeah, yeah. Rarely now and stuff, you know. Take a different approach and stuff, you know, kind of catch these legendary spots. And it's just, it's uh everyone has that place where they're comfortable at. And for some goddamn reason, it's on the edge of some shit for me. You know, so you know, I I indulge it, you know. I'm I'm at I'm the happiest there for some reason, you know. It's just it's it's it is what it is, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Man, so so so are humble some of the the influences that you saw early on when you got started, and you were like, oh shit, I wanna do some shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 5:45

Yeah, you know, uh you know, I I I started late. You know, I was in my uh mid-20s when I started graphing. So, you know, I was a latecomer, and that's what I'm saying. You know, I got introduced to everything late. So uh, you know, it was it was a few ones. A few. You know. Zeus and gyms, uh IRY used to see. Those are the first examples. I was see catching spots where I was like, okay, how did he get up there?

SPEAKER_01 6:16

You know, that that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

Yeah, still running to this day. Yeah. 2006. You know, so you know, those are some of the examples, the kind of the ones, the main ones I remember. You know, later later on in a couple, you know, 2008-2009, you know, uh Bucket and uh a few of the TKOs and the UNOs were uh catching high spots and stuff. You know, I kinda dwell towards that stuff. Man, man, dude.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Bucket was I remember they caught that they they thought evidence that the rapper was bucket. They did a whole investigation on him and shit, like, oh man, I really remember that.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

That was you know, yeah, that was some real heavy clout, you know. To me, that was some ignorant shit. I wouldn't really, I wouldn't chase it to that degree and stuff. I'm very reclusive. You know, I'd be I'd be on the middle of some shit where all you hear is crickets. You know, I I'm comfortable. Like somebody else that's not comfortable, you know, in the outdoors, you know, that's another little uh uh contribution that you know I like about myself too. You know, I you know I I I I I uh I like nature. Yeah, and I I study a lot about nature and how it works and you know, just being out there, you know, it's like it's like meditation for me and stuff. So, you know, when I be in some of those far spots, it's it's heavy. Most people will be like, hey, what's that noise? Don't worry, man, those are just insects. You scared of bugs, boy. So, you know.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Man, have you ever been over to the um back then they called it the blue lagoon yard? It's like off of like things like rose mead heading into Montebello. No, it's like a whole nature walk area, like it's like you see horses through there, all kind of crazy insects, okay, and wild animals just out there chilling and shit, and like bam, in the middle on a bridge, graffiti. Wall-to-wall graffiti. I don't know how it is now. Like, I went there like last year sometime, and like it wasn't as much graffiti, but you could tell cats be coming down there to paint, but the city beyond it was buffing that shit out. But that's like a cool ass like nature area, especially when it's filled with water. Like, I remember going back in the day when it was like um it just stopped raining, so the whole creek was full. And we're like, you know, just navigating our way around and like streams of water just passing through us as we're painting these big ass pieces and shit. Like, that shit, like some it's just like amazing. Like a good feeling and shit, my boy Cut. The same as you, he's like an adventurous type. He's climbing shit, going through shit. He took me through some shit over here. Like, it was like, man, just the most nature's walk ever. My big ass was fucking tired. I was like, yo, this motherfucker's gone and shit. I'm like, yo, I gotta catch up and shit, yo. We get to the spot and shit, yo, it's chill as fuck. We out there just chilling. We were there for hours just painting and shit. Like, it's dope ass spot and shit. And like, niggas need more of that out here, you know? But we ain't got enough of that shit, man. Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, we kind of got separated from that.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

And uh, you know, uh, a lot of people, it just got a lot of hate in them. Yeah, you know, and a lot of uh built up animosity with their self that they can't address. And that's why people just mad, you know. Of course, we gotta talk about, you know, how the system is implemented and how everything is pressured, you know, on the uh poorer people and how it's structured, you know. So, you know, it makes life hard and shit. It does makes it it's understandable where people have an outlet that they want to achieve. And it might not be a good one, you know, it might be considered something bad, you know, to some people, but freedom to another. Yeah. You know, like graph, you know. Exactly, man.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

It's like the uh, for me, it was it was the perfect outlet that I needed as a teenager. Yeah. Because, man, just growing up around just hood, just the the man, the fucking hood. Cats don't understand these days. South Central was like a fourth-world country back then. It was like fucking crazy, man. Like you'd see cats getting killed, you'd be getting chased, you'd be in the middle of shootouts, you have to watch out as a kid always. I don't know. Cats would like ask you where you were from, you'd be like, man, I I don't gang bang. Oh, where do you live? What the fuck do you mean? Where do I live? I might live in your enemy's hood. Just looking for a reason to kill somebody, you know, and like Graph helped me, you know, escape that shit, you know? Was it the same for you? Like graph helped you escape as you I know, like I know you started later in life, but was it a good escape for you? Did it help you internally?

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Yeah, later on in the future, you know, uh it did. You know, I uh when I was like when y'all was doing graph, you know, younger and stuff, I was I was I was skating, I was skateboarding. That was my first little outlet at BMX. I did a lot of skating and BMX in several years, you know. And uh good night, good night. That was my little outlet in the beginning, the first initial teenage years, you know, where the you know influences is the most heaviest, you know, on the most naivest of minds. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Yeah, paint that picture any color.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Yeah, so you know, taking it apart, like I said earlier, like I was very, like I was the loner type of guy. You know, I didn't indulge in that violent nature type of stuff. You know, like I said, when I was young, 14, 15, I was growing a forest in my room with uh with snakes and iguanas and shit. Family members used to come over and get exposed to that stuff that they never got exposed to. Simple manifestation of nature, you know, and the feeling that it gives you. You know, that was a that was a big influence on me. And it kinda I I kind of give it the credit that it created me into, you know, like a proper person. I didn't need to go through, you know, the gang experience to feel, you know, happiness and stuff. Yeah. I looked at plants. Might seem weird, but hey, everybody had that outlet, you know? Yeah, that was mine's right there. Graph just came later on in the future, and that was just another journey.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

You know. What advice could you give to like the the newer cats coming up that's like just just starting? They're like, man, I want to get out there, I want, I wanna get these high-ass spots out type dude, and I don't know how to do it. What advice do you have for these little cats?

SPEAKER_02 13:34

First, you know, you gotta know yourself. The physical aspect, you know, how you feel when you're on the edge of some shit, you know, if you're comfortable. You know, a lot of people say they're not scared of heights. You know, I I done had a few homies that go, you know, and they said they're not scared to catch high spots, but when I took them some of the high spots I catch. It was like, no, you I I I I can't get down, bro. Bro, you climbed up here. Yes, you can. And first of all, you're a man. Don't give up. You're a pussy if you do that. I'm leaving. See ya. You know, so you know, it's just you gotta know yourself, you know, to that physical aspect, you're confident in your steps and stuff, you know. You know, always start slow and stuff. You never wanna, you know, people like retirement stuff. All it takes is one slip, in most cases, for a certain death. You know, that's that's that's something you gotta be comfortable with. You know, don't you don't wanna get out there and you know do no dumb shit.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Man, what what's the scariest shit that you've experienced doing all these hot spots?

SPEAKER_02 14:53

Uh well, one time I had to uh get on uh get on this roof and stuff, and uh I was basically my height and the fact that I stretch a lot and I have good maneuverability so I can reach like to my maximum limit and I had a spot where I I my middle finger saved me. Oh shit, from a 40-foot drop. Damn, that was for sure broken legs, for sure, possible broken hip, possible, possible, you know, broken back or something from that height, but my estimates were survivable because you know, with all that climbing, I'm very athletic, so you know I know how to maneuver my body in situations like that. You know, for normal people, falling from that height, they would probably die before they hit the floor. You know, from that internal fear. Yeah, I'm done. Yeah, it shuts off the body. It's done. Me, I I'm not that type. At least I don't think. Like I would stay alive for the fall. You know, and you know, like that's why I said it's it's unusual that goddamn internal fear clock of heist is just it doesn't register in me for some odd reason. My fingers safe. That can be contributed to the uh uh through the uh autumn years of BMX. They gave me strong form four arms and you know and finger grip.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

You know doing all the flips on the bike and shit, do all the dirt road shit and all that?

SPEAKER_02 16:43

No, not the dirt road, the street. You know, I never got to the not to the point where you know just jumping off all 15 stairs and you know, flipping and shit. Nah, you know, I never got to that extreme because you know the injury rate on those type of sports is high. So, you know, I experienced a couple of them that that cut that little trial down early. You know, but I still ride a loan board, you know, for physicality and just fun. I like to uh uh curve the street and essentially surf the street. Flexible loan board, you know, kind of keep fishing on when you get older, you gotta do that type of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Yeah, most death, man, damn. So like as graph changes and shit, because like my journey started in the in the in the mid-90s with graph. And you know, every five years it changes and changes. Where do you see it going in the future from where it is now? Because like the pandemic, motherfuckers is just killing, like it was cra it's crazy right now how motherfuckers is killing and shit. Back in the day, we weren't killing like that, just like blatant. It's just like we out daytime, we doing big ass roller shit, and all this shit, you know what I'm saying? Like we motherfuckers is like, and like now I take part, I partake in all these, you know, run-ups and all this shit, you know, but back then we weren't we weren't doing it like that. You know, we were it was different. It went from buses to everybody on the streets and all this. Where do you see it going from here, from where it's at now?

SPEAKER_02 18:23

You know, from what I noticed, you know. Uh it seemed to be taking the same initial course that it was 10 years, 20 years ago. It just what diversifies is the art, like the intricacy of the uh the pieces that some of these guys do and stuff. You know, I can easily omit, you know. I'm I'm not too artistic, you know, to a highest degree, you know, uh, you know, but uh I still get out there and you know just work on what uh what I know and stuff. I don't I don't do enough practice and I should though, you know, but you know, you stay with a certain type of style, you like to do that as a like a example. You could you you can uh you know make your stuff more intricate, add more detail and stuff, you know, you could, but you know, I like the simplified version where people that don't see graph or understand graph, but they like to they like to appreciate it though. Yeah, they can understand it. Yeah. Oh that oh, Pippi, okay. Mm-hmm. Wow. Jeff, wait, wait, hold on. How did he get up there? You know, that that all-inspired feeling and stuff, you know. So, you know, it it's amazing though, you know. People people go, you know, they do their own little things, you know, different styles and stuff, you know, but the styling is amazing though. That's that's what I noticed, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

The styles are getting crazy, it's getting more the equipment is hooking way better than it was when I started. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

I can imagine, man.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

Them crylons and rustos that we were using back then, shh. No comparison. And and it they they they're stupid for not uh you know embracing it, you know, embracing the graph culture and you know making the equipment for us. American-based shit. They fucking leave it to the foreign cats to fucking hook us up and shit, you know? Like the foreign cats is killing us. They fucking, their equipment is far superior.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Man, it is.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Like the equipment has changed, and I'm I'm thinking like, man, how's it gonna change next? Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

You know, over the years, yeah. The technology gets involved with it, the cans become better and stuff, you know, less less skipping and less dripping. And uh, yeah, you know, I can only see it, you know, not progressing to how much then what it is. You know, people then already caught the highest shit. You know, uh people are still the style, you know, can be the only, essentially is the only change in aspect that I can see in the future. You know, the styling and implementing different objects for 3D and shit into into the guys starting that already, that do the um scheme.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Yeah. This motherfucker is a killer guy. That's dedication to it, right? That is dedication. He be up on the billboards adding extensions to the shit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, making the piece like bam, bam, doing all that. He had that one off of the 110 where he like did a whole panel piece, hooked it up, and bam, dropped it right there into the middle of the freeway off of like a bridge that's incomplete. So just hanging right there. Fucking for everybody to see. And I'm like, that's fucking amazing. I'm like, how the fuck? Yeah. And like they they there's a YouTube that shows him the process of him doing this. I'm like, this is fun.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

I was I was amazed.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

I was like, wow. And then when I saw the city, they tried to take it down. They fucking couldn't. They barely got like a little piece like bent, and they had to fucking leave it and then come back and take it apart.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

I didn't have enough to write to that. I didn't do this. You know, but yeah, that that's a part of uh, you know, those advancing aspects of the uh of the graph of where it's going. You know, that's another another extreme example. Uh I'm setting another extreme example. Uh some may say the most extreme because essentially, you know, you you you doing shit that I'm doing shit that people ain't what this wall has never seen paint.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

I've seen some of them I was like, damn. You know, that's a hell of a spot.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Yeah, you know, so like I'm trying to advance it, you know, get better and drop some better stuff on it, you know, as the uh comfort comfortability on the actual equipment, you know. There's uh at at the fullness, you know. Now it is and stuff, so you know, I'm I'm hanging up there chilling. You know, the homies is down there. Is wait a second, is he smoking?

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Oh, he's smoking the blunt, he's comfortable, bro.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

No, I smoke half the blunt. I throw it down to him, you know, that shit falling. How long was that counting seconds, bro? Uh 10 seconds. Gliding down. Yeah, gliding down, you know, but uh, you know, little little different aspects of it, you know. You know, those are the extreme examples of uh, you know, where the graph is going, you know, coming out with this different stuff and stuff, you know. That's it's essentially, you know, doing it with ropes. That's it's still foreign out here. You know, you that stuff came from Europe. You know, uh you know, you know, Latinos and not Latinos, Mexicans and blacks essentially are not used to like exposure to heights. Which is why, you know, the exacerbated numbers of you know of Mexicans and blacks, then they're done, they're not exposed to heights. So they're they're that fear for it is there for you.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

We're not out there rock climbing, skydiving, doing all the things, you know what I'm saying. Not all of us, you know. Yeah, some of us do like a minor bit of the thing, you know. I told you I went uh zip lining and shit. That shit was a fucking crazy experience and shit. But yeah, no, no, no, no, not all of us are doing that, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 24:44

No, it's only yeah, it's only for the bravest. Yeah, exactly. Very small internet of people can do that type of stuff, you know. But you know, I I can it can't it can't get more extreme than that. Scheme setting that example with the dedicated work on the board and somebody hanging from a bridge. Place where you shouldn't fucking be.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

You know, that getting that concrete that has not been touched.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Yeah, and yeah, that's uh that is uh fuck, that's a glorious feeling when I finish. And I I see initially see, you know, I'm working close, so close to the wall, so you can't I can't back up like like you normally would back up and size out your shit right. You know, I didn't mess up a couple of times. I can easily go back and set up and you know fix it, but you know, I'm gonna keep it originality.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

So do you plan on um traveling doing this?

SPEAKER_02 25:43

You know, yeah, you're talking about bringing that up. That that's exactly what I've been thinking about. That's a little taking uh I'm gonna initially start up north, you know, uh for that type of extreme stuff. The spot the stop the spot availability is very particular and very sharp. There's not very many, you know, things I can do, you know, but I kind of aim, I I I usually aim away from historic landmarks such as ex historic historical bridges. You know, I kind of aim aim away from that. I don't want that extreme attention, you know, from that degree. Kind of, you know, respect the state to that, you know, look respectful. Historical stuff. But you know, like abandon things. You know, going up north, I'm pretty sure I'll find stuff like that. I wanna I want to make that my first uh trip. You know, go up north all the way to uh uh to the tip of California for the first one. I'm pretty sure I run into some abandoned water towers next to a freeway.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Up in Happy Camp somewhere and shit.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

You know, that's that's what I yeah, there's there's many places of that, you know, different uh uh stories that people share with me. Because like I said, you know, that's an extreme thing is when you expose something that to people. Just an awe-inspiring factor to it. You know, and you know, a lot of people send me information. Hey man, I got this right here for you. Maybe we can get this. And I look at the page, these people is from a whole nother state. Oh, he was traveling through this state two weeks ago, and you was thinking, like, oh, maybe this guy that I never met can paint this. You know, I mean that and that right there is heavy.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

It'd be that because you know they see they see the work and they're like, damn. And then they see a spot, they're like, oh, kinda like the spot you hit over there. That'd be dope for him. Let me let him up, let me let him know. You know what I'm saying? That's good looking out right there. Shit, like, hey man, cool, man. Show me where that shit at.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

No, no, but yeah, you know, different different aspects of it. I still like to touch the ground though. I guess ground spots, comfortability to get the can control better. Because it's like, you know, the uh, you know, I I I took right I took about eight years off, you know, and uh kind of started back uh a few years ago. Very light, and it just ramped up around 2021. It ramped up. That's when I got it exposed to all that that uh rope jump and it kind of just took off to more of an extreme level. You know, I was like, oh, I like this. This is cool, you know? Rooftop to sliding down with the ropes and shit, and just taking different aspects of it, and you know, but uh yeah, it's been an amazing adventure. But yeah, I had eight years off though, coming back a few years ago.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Yeah, I took a couple years off myself. Like I was in hiatus for about, I don't know, two or three years. And what brought me back was the homies from Jimmy Dub. They were like, oh man come paint, man, come paint. My boy Breck. My boy Breck, he's from J-U-R-T. Isn't that the dogs?

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Yeah, I remember seeing that back in the day. You never knew that was like associated with graffiti. Yeah. That's funny, like, because I I'm kind of not to lie about it, you know, I'm naive to the whole graffiti culture. It's still kind of new to me. Like I said, you know, I I was I was always the loner type. I'm very quiet, you know, but I can speak well, you know. I I educate myself a lot. I do a lot of self-educating on several, you know, multiple subjects. Just, you know, that's my my little me time and stuff. Uh other other niggas might fucking search for bitches or uh drive their car in circles or something. I I don't waste time like that.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

I like to learn stuff. Yeah, yeah, I feel that.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Yeah, you know, and that's what it is. Ignorant behavior and not knowing yourself, you know, that shit is the enemy of Mexicans and blacks, man. It's devastating. The ignorant, the appreciation of ignorant, you know, behavior. That that's real bad, bro.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

No, we're we're entertainment for the world, but it's at our expense, you know? Yeah, it's at our expense. We're we're the ones suffering these consequences and shit, you know? We're the ones sitting in these jails beefing with each other when we shouldn't even be beefing with each other. Yeah. Just doing dumb shit on the streets, you know, and that goes for black on black crime, Mexican on Mexican crime, black on Mexican crime, Mexican on black crime, you know. We all formed together back in the day, because you know, it was just injustice going on everywhere, and you know, that shit can't stand. Kids can't be coming to the hood, beating up on niggas, dropping niggas off in the wrong territories and shit, so they can get killed by their enemies or whatever and shit. You know, like motherfuckers had to combat that, you know?

unknown 31:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

So that's why motherfuckers formed a fucking um a group of friends that want to protect their blood.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

And that that that's that's that's how it all fucking started. And for us to be where we're at now, where man, some parts of of of Los Angeles, uh, as a black dude, you you can't go there. Right. You you like you can, but you're taking a risk. You know? Yeah, very certain parts of East LA, fuck man. I remember walking through fucking, oh I was on Cinta Chavez through a Matavia's hood, and I was heading up, leaving their hood, passing into Lotte 13's hood, and into the Gertie Lomas hoods, which is in the hills. And I'm there partying with my homeboy and his sister and his wife, and we're up there, you know, drinking and partying, and I'm I'm I'm gonna head home. I come down the hill, oh man, the hoods are out, and they're looking at me like, what the fuck are you doing here? I'm like, oh shit. And then um, luckily, like my boy knew the cats, and then he just mentioned my name. Oh, I was with the homie's name. Oh, alright, and then gave me a pass. But that was just them giving me a pass. When I got down to where the Maravillas are, they gave me no pass. I had to book it out of there and shit, because them motherfuckers was trying to get me. And luckily cops were passing by at the time, so then they kind of stopped chasing me and shit, and then a bus pulled up and I ran and hopped on that motherfucker and shit, but you know, I as a black dude, you can't, you know, be in certain parts of town, and that shit's that's fucked up. That shit ain't cool and shit, you know? And vice versa for them, because you know, back then, you know, back in the 80s and shit, you know, niggas was cool, but you know, some niggas wasn't. No, some niggas was treating their people like shit, you know what I'm saying? And I understand why they're mad, you know? Because imagine your mom and pops, you know what I'm saying, they're selling to my less or pushing the palette of thing and shit, you know, trying to make some money and shit to feed the family, and then a bunch of little niggas rob them. You know, like I'd feel no perplexed about that myself. I'm like, it's fucked up, like, you know, and as I get older, I I'd feel animosity and like, you know, anger towards motherfuckers and shit, you know what I'm saying? So like it it truly goes both ways, and it's it's fucked up, and like somehow, someway it just has to stop and shit. Like, yeah. I think graph is like a good bridge for that shit, yo. Fuck, it's such a good bridge, because graph is all walks of life and all cultures, you know what I'm saying? Every everybody's involved in graph, probably except the Amish. Maybe maybe. Right. It might be a motherfucker that grew up Amish, left the fucking spot, got into the city, got into some graffiti and shit, and don't even speak about his Amish heritage. You know what I'm saying? It could be a motherfucker out there like that and shit, you know what I'm saying. Amish friend. Yeah, that one Amish friend and shit, you know what I'm saying? He's in the graph now and shit. But uh I I feel that graffiti, that's a good thing that graffiti does. This motherfucker.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

No, in the ancient times, you know, blacks and Mexicans was chilling. You know, that history was hid from us. You know, we we coexisted. Yeah. You know, very it it was like a perfect type of bond and stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Since way back, man, with the Moors and all, man.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

Way back before that, you know, the omni times, statues of them black fake and shit, they look just like you actually. Heavy African features, and it makes sense, you know. Uh Africans, you know, they were more advanced, you know, by thousands of years, you know, you know, with of most cultures and stuff. So, you know, when the Mexicans first seen these Africans, it was a it was a sense of awe-aspiring, like, wow, dark skin, such such powerful looking men. You know, Africans were initially tall, you know, and the first indigenous Mexicans, they were shark, shark, shark-statured people. Yeah. You know, in ancient times, the Africans coexisted well with the Mexicans, you know, and uh taught them how to, you know, build build, essentially, worship, you know, the sun and animals and stuff. And essentially we're doing the taught them how to do the first graffiti. The permanent graffiti. That's the epitome of landmark. You're making this stuff out the earth some of the hardest materials, you know, and it was coexistent for many years, and that that history was hid, you know, from us from out the books. Yeah. You know, I got a lot of books at my house, you know, that expose these things that uh the Caucasian race have done. And, you know, they still play these games, you know, of mass manipulation through media to make us fight, you know, race wars, because if they keep us separate, we can't unite against them. Yeah, you know, and it's always about race. People try to ignore it and oh man, no, that don't have nothing to do with it. You just don't see it. You're too ignorant. Yeah, you know, you gotta understand. You know, that's why I say you can't you can't you can't you can't waste your time not teaching yourself stuff. And you know, if you can't afford to go to college, you know, you can get access to internet and you sit walking around with a phone more powerful than the computer that sent the Apollo the first remote mission. You can do powerful things with that, you know, and you know, those little aspects are coming to some people, but you know, the ignorant behavior and appreciation of it is too heavy in our culture, you know, and it has a major influence on us, and especially graffiti, you know, it it it initiates with that. It's all it's investing into that, you know, and that's where you get a lot of depth. You know, that that heavy ego, you know, that guys carry. You know, you have a uh so many years of you grow up with a life of powerlessness, and you're introduced to the feeling of power, but you don't know how to control it. You know what I'm saying? And imagine a whole pulpit with all these type of people running around, you know, you're gonna get a lot of stuff. Yeah. You know, but better things are coming, you know, the good aspects of it is the graffiti part that makes it, you know, the cultures come together and appreciate, you know, yeah, the positive aspects of it.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

So true, so true. Yeah, man, it's been a fucking pleasure, man. And the pleasure to meet you, man. Like I've been seeing you up for a while, man. I'm like, just really putting in some damn work. You know, and uh, I'm like, yeah, I'm very proud of you, fellow Eastsider, you know. East of the 110th, South Central LA, you know, that's where we be. But uh pleasure to meet you, brother Type, man.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

Oh, yeah, it was a it was a glorious moment here. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Let's establish those days. Kind of grounding, you can find me on burning out for every buttons, walk for miles of streets and games, and down. I throw the battle black, running over me. We can still let's go beat. What the beat, we would bother the mission, while blocking the mention, but it's not famous. What's the bill do? My brother's not getting the breakup project with the fight, finding something. But you don't want over me, you better bring your property.