Reason Together: A Libertarian Case For School Choice And Lower Taxes In Pennsylvania

Voters keep getting told to “pick a side,” but the ballot belongs to you, not party insiders. We open with a simple challenge: reason together, stop shouting, and let candidates speak in their own words. That’s why we sit down with John Thomas, the Libertarian candidate for lieutenant governor in Pennsylvania, to hear a full-strength argument for free markets, personal choice, and cutting government control where it doesn’t belong. 

We start with Austrian economics and the core idea of subjective value, then move into one of the biggest fights in Pennsylvania politics: education funding. John lays out a bold school choice plan built around sending roughly $11,000 per student in state funds directly to families, expanding competition, and reducing the grip of government-run systems. From there, we get into property tax reform and why school taxes and property taxes hit working families and retirees so hard. 

Then we turn to the economy you can’t build without: energy. We talk Pennsylvania natural gas, power-plant shutdowns, overregulation, and why energy production could decide where the next generation of jobs lands, especially with AI and data centers demanding more electricity. We also vent about fuel taxes, tolls, and why the roads still feel like a mess. 

If you care about Pennsylvania elections, school choice, lower property taxes, and energy policy, listen through to the end, then subscribe, share this with a friend who needs a wider view, and leave a review with what you agreed or disagreed with most.

Transcript

Reason Together And Hear All Sides

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Hey everybody, this is John Moran, and we're back on our podcast uh slash radio show. I want to thank everybody for tuning in and let's get started. Come now and let us reason together, saith the Lord. That's Isaiah 1 18. Folks, I'll tell you what. That version right there sets the tone for what we're trying to do on this program today. Don't shout out each other or shout each other down. Don't pick teams and dig ditches, but actually reason together. Because this country only works when voters hear all sides, not just the ones handpicked for them. The ballot doesn't belong to party insiders, it belongs to you. And if you're expect and if you're expected to make a decision, then you deserve to hear the d hear directly from the people asking for your vote, not filters, not middlemen, not carefully managed narratives. That's what we're uh we're doing here. In the coming weeks, we'll be inviting Republican Lieutenant Governor nominee Jason Ritchie, Republican governoral nominee Stacy Garretti. Also, we're extending invitations to Democrats like Josh Shapiro and Lieutenant Governor Austin Davis, along with candidates from Green from the Green Party and the Constitution Party. Everyone gets the same opportunity on my show because strong ideas don't need protection. They stand on their own. And if they can't, well, the voters deserve to see that also. Today we're starting a conversation with a candidate who's been willing to challenge the sit the system from the outside. Joining us is the Libertarian candidate for lieutenant governor, former U.S. Senate candidate, college professor, John Thomas. He's a former believer in Austrian uh economics and is running alongside libertarian government gubernatorial candidate Ken Wokchuk. I think I have Kralchek. Okay. You may you may not agree with him. You may not, but we're going to hear him unfiltered, the way it should be. Because this show

Meet Libertarian Candidate John Thomas

SPEAKER_02 3:05

isn't about telling what you think, it's about making sure you have the information to think for yourself. So let's go to it. God bless each and every one of you for tuning in. I want to thank you. It's been a it's been a wild ride for these three weeks we started this. Um John Thomas, uh, I'm I'm I guess that's uh uh how I'm I'm gonna refer to you as uh the lieutenant governor candidate. I want to thank you for coming on with me. Uh it's gonna be uh let's give it let's give it a ride for a half hour and see what happens. And if we like it, we'll get back on that horse and try her again another day. How's that?

SPEAKER_00 3:42

That sounds great, John. And I really appreciate the especially that part of the welcome where you said you you want to hear from all sides. A lot of people say, I want to hear from both sides, pretending that there are only two sides out there, but there are often third or fourth or fifth sides to stories. So the fact that you presented it as I want to hear from all sides is is great. Um, no, I one little correction to your your introduction there. I I'm not a college professor, I work for a uh I've worked in K through 12 schools uh for the past 15, 16, over 16 years, I guess. Um, so so never at the college level yet, but uh hey, um I'm still relatively young. That could happen.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Well, I will tell you that uh if you become lieutenant governor, um and um which uh uh uh I want to I want to make sure you understand something. We need to we need to fix the internet in a big way here in southwestern Pennsylvania. Uh we have a terrible time with it, and from what I'm understanding, it's it's clear across the state again today. So I don't know what's going on, but um, I I got a question for you to start out with. It's Austrian economics. Is it do I have that correct?

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Yes, Austrian economics. It's a it's a school of economic thought that was founded by uh people like Karl Menger in the late 1800s. It focused it's a very free market-oriented way to to look at at economics. It starts with the idea that um of of marginal marginal utility, where um you you you don't look at uh value does not necessarily come from the amount of labor that goes into something, it comes from the it's a subjective experience.

Austrian Economics And Subjective Value

SPEAKER_00 5:32

You value something based on your own personal preferences, I value something else based on my personal preferences. So for a long time, people assumed that value came from the amount of labor that went into things, but we know that's not the case. We inherently know that we know that that just because somebody puts a lot of of time and effort into producing a piece of junk uh work of art, people aren't going to buy it. Whereas somebody else who's a fantastic artist might spend quite less, uh significantly less amount of time producing something, but because it's a quality piece, it it's valued quite highly. So it was really the the Austrians who really developed that that idea that value is more of a subjective experience than something objective, depending on the amount of labor that goes into something.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

Okay, that's that's that's kind of a neat perspective to look at the way of looking at things. Uh yeah, uh I I can go along with that. Uh there's probably uh a lot of people who ask me what what party I belong to, and and of course I am I am a Republican, and I I I don't I don't take that away from I mean I I think that I want everybody to understand that I'm a Republican, but uh I really feel that I I'm more of a Christian constitutionalist than anything. A lot of people don't uh don't understand that, but um I I do think that uh that that's where we need that's what's gonna change uh the way this country operates. That's the way this it's gonna change the way this state operates. It's gonna be the constitution and it's gonna be it's gonna be the uh the power of God to make things happen. So um I I wanna I know that you're uh you teach said you teach taught school K through what uh 12 for so many years.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Yeah, I've I've worked for uh cyber charter schools specifically for for that amount of time. So I've I've worked in um in schools of choice. Uh so we as libertarians are big on school choice, on allowing families to choose where they send their their students to school. One of the big initiatives that Ken and I have running for governor and lieutenant governor is a way to

School Choice And Privatizing Schools

SPEAKER_00 8:11

provide more school choice for families. So right now, Pennsylvania spends about $25,000 per student per year on education. It's a wild amount. Like to think about uh to put that in perspective, from from kindergarten through through 12th grade on one student, Pennsylvania can expect to spend about $300,000 on just one student. It's an absurd amount of money that we spend on education. So, what Ken and I would do would be to basically about $11,000 of that comes from the state level. The rest of it comes from your local property taxes, which are insanely expensive across the state of Pennsylvania. We would like to significantly lower the property taxes, and the way we do that is take that $11,000 that the state currently spends at the state level in education, send that to the to the families and privatize all of the schools. So every family has 11 grand per student per year. They can send it, they can spend it on where they want to send their kid to school. Um, the the government schools, um, the the your favorite teachers at those government schools, they can go on teaching, they would they would just have uh uh to find a way to do that in a private economic system. Um, and we would uh vastly improve our educational outcomes because we've we all know as as a constitutional conservative, I'm sure you understand this, John, that uh that the the government, the more they get involved in where the worse things get, right? Like we know that the the free market provides better solutions, other than um uh maybe in like areas like military or police where it's it might be more difficult to find the free market answer, but in areas like schools where you can have competition, we've had competition in American history in school uh school systems. We have competition in the second area in the post-secondary area between universities. Uh people send people come from all over the world to go to American colleges and universities. Um, maybe not so much the more they get woke, but historically it has been the case where people all over the world come to American universities because we still have a lot of competition in our university systems, whereas a lot of countries have already um uh provided universal uh post-secondary the secondary education, they they they make them government schools. Um, so we we don't have people flocking here for our K through 12 schools, though. That's because our K through 12 schools are, let's face it, kind of lousy at this point. And uh a free market system would would stand to correct that. Um right now I work for charter schools, they are public schools, but they're also schools of choice. So the fact that parents can choose to send their kids there give give us the those of us who work in that system an incentive to innovate and provide for the families what they want. We would just like to expand that in as part of our campaign.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

I I I really I so far we're we're we're really good. Um I think I I I think we'll be able to work uh work together a little bit. Uh I um the biggest thing that I can see uh that needs to be taken care of in the next few in the as soon as possible. And uh I as Lieutenant Governor, you're in charge of the Senate. I I I know that. But the biggest thing that we need to do right as of now is, in my opinion, is we have to unleash this energy sector here in Pennsylvania, and we have to get we have to get things rolling. We need to be making I I I often go back to the the uh I think it was uh South Dakota or is it North Dakota? I think it was South Dakota, they're building railroads, they're building railroads in West Virginia, and I know that the that there's a difference between what's going on there. I mean, it's not the same, obviously, it's not the same amount

Unleashing Pennsylvania Energy Production

SPEAKER_02 12:34

of bureaucracy in North Dakota and in West Virginia as we have in Pennsylvania, and I think that's what we got to do. We got to get rid of the bureaucracy, we got to get people in power or people in places that can make good decisions and we can get things rolling again. Um Pennsylvania. Uh, I guess I didn't ask you what part of the state you're from, but Pennsylvania is sitting our part of the state down here in Southwest Corner. We're we're sitting on more natural gas than Saudi Arabia can ever produce. And we we need to make that happen. We need to use that build to and we need to make energy with it. We don't need to sell it, we need to make energy with it, and then move the sell the energy somewhere else. And actually, there's enough here that we wouldn't shouldn't even have to pay taxes.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Yeah, well, uh, yeah, I'm from western Pennsylvania, so I know about the amount of oil that we're or the the amount of natural gas that we're sitting on, and the regulations on energy here in Pennsylvania are really shooting ourselves in the foot. I live close to two power plants, they were clean coal-fired power plants. Uh, but because of the the regulations that are put on them, they both shut down. That was a lot of jobs out of uh both Armstrong and Indiana counties, right where I live, that were lost due to regulations that are put on on the energy providers. And you're right, energy is the key to the future. We're talking, uh we're looking at like an AI future that some people are afraid of, some people are embracing it. Regardless of what you feel about it, it takes energy to run. And the states that are freeing their energy production, those are the states where new jobs are going to be found, those are the states where more money is going to be invested, those are the states that are going to be the wave of the next 75 years, and it happens right now. Right now is we're at the foundation level of of this AI wave, and whoever's producing the energy, they're going to be on the uh they're going to be the ones who are are making the breakthroughs. And and you're right, we have it right here in Pennsylvania. Let's free it, let's let's make it happen.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yep. I mean, I I've said this more than once. Uh I'm I'm really, really appalled, and it may and it really makes me mad that US Steel went to Arkansas and spent 12 billion dollars to build to build a plant, build a plant that makes steel down there when we had everything they need right here in southwestern Pennsylvania, and our politicians, our county commissioners, are are and it goes clear to the county commissioners. The county commissioners, our mayors in the bigger towns, our our state

Regulation Jobs And Why Companies Leave

SPEAKER_02 15:37

senators, uh just would not do what they needed to do. That should have never been built anywhere but in southwestern Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Uh with with our rivers, with our uh our um natural resources here, it and already the capital is here. The capital was here for steel production, it's been here for for 150 years. The but companies companies need to make money. That's why they they don't exist to provide jobs. That's a big mistake that that a lot of the leftists make. They they say, Oh, companies exist to make jobs. No, they don't, they exist to make money, and if you put barriers in their way to making money, you're going to see them leave. And those jobs that are a kind of a byproduct, that's not the purpose of them existing, that's a byproduct of them existing, those jobs are going to disappear too. So the way you create jobs from a government's perspective is you allow businesses to make money, you make this the state where they're going to see the greatest opportunity to make money, and the way you do that is by reducing the regulations. There is no need, we have an army of regulators in Harrisburg, and a lot of times you're right, the the uh county commissioners are making bad decisions on the local level, but a lot of times that's because they're answering to some regulator out of Harrisburg who's telling them that hey, your county has to meet this standard or your county has to meet this other standard. How about we leave the county like from a state level, we leave the counties alone and let them free to be free to attract businesses. But a lot of times, um what it happens is the the state regulators get on a power trip and they chase out the the job producers, they chase out the the income producers, and they chase out now. I'm not a big tax guy, but we also lose tax revenue whenever whenever those companies uh run down south.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Without without a doubt. I mean, you just the income tax that they they they've lost because of people going uh so um we've we've talked about jobs, we've talked about uh a couple different things here. We talked about the energy. We um the one thing that I I property taxes, especially school taxes uh and property taxes are out, they're they're almost unustainable right now for people uh that it that what's left of the middle the middle class. I mean, if you're you're paying on your house for 30 or 40 years, and then you turn around and you still have to pay you know property taxes on it. So you're really not owning it, you're just renting it from the government.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

So what do we need to do about that?

SPEAKER_00 18:38

What's what's what's your answer for property

Property Taxes Called An Evil Tax

SPEAKER_00 18:41

taxes? It's one of the worst taxes you can imagine. I I I think of like imagine a married couple, um, a man and a woman who have been married for for 50 years. Uh, he's retired, collection collecting a pension. She's uh she's been a a homemaker most of her of her life. Um, and and he passes away. Their income tax is going to decline because they lost his pension. They lost they lost the the income he's going take in. Their income tax is going to decline, but their property tax stays the same. They have no more income coming in. She's not only going to lose her husband, she's going to lose her home. The home that she spent her lifetime making the house that she spent her lifetime making into a home, it's going to be gone. The state's going to take it from her. How absurd is that? How evil is that? That's that's not just wrong. That is evil. You're taking homes from little old ladies, and absolutely, it is an evil tax. Uh, one of the ways we we fix that, John, is is with the educational plan that I was talking about before. We could virtually eliminate the school property tax. Um, now I have not dug deep into this, but um, I was just playing around with with AI the other day. I put our educational plan in there saying we would send eleven thousand dollars to the families per student. This would provide an incentive for private firms who know that they can run schools better than the government can to buy the local school buildings. And I so I asked, I asked Grok, what do you what would you expect that to be a one-time revenue? Um the one-time revenue for that to be, and grok estimated it to be $60 billion. That would entirely pay for the schools under Ken and my plan for five years, five years just by selling the the uh the the school buildings. So that would be um that would virtually eliminate all but the um but the county level taxes, which as you know, most of the property taxes goes to school. So it would have it would it completely eliminate the the portion of property taxes that goes to schools.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

I I I uh the the other tax that I that that's appalling in Pennsylvania is fuel tax.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Um my goodness, yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Yeah, I mean i i it it's it's an absurdity what we pay in fuel taxes in Pennsylvania. Um second highest in the country.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

One of one of the uh one of my favorite memes that I created uh was uh one of the Padme uh and Anakin memes. It's the one where you have Anakin saying something and then Padme saying, You don't mean this, do you? And then he gives her the eye. So it was uh it was uh Anakin saying uh here in Petsu. Pennsylvania, we have the second highest tax gas tax in the country and the most expensive toll road in the world, Padme says. But at least you have nice roads, right? And then Diana King gives a look and she's like, You have nice roads, right? And of course, we live in Pennsylvania. We know we don't have nice roads. We pay all these taxes on gas. We pay all these the highest toll road in the in the world. The PA turnpike is the highest is the most expensive toll road in the world. And yeah, we have terrible roads.

Gas Taxes Toll Roads And Potholes

SPEAKER_00 22:33

The the Pennsylvania government taxes us 50-some cents per gallon of gas. 50 some cents per gallon every time you fill up your tank. And and that's supposed to go towards road maintenance, but it obviously does not, because uh you could I I I've heard of people falling into a Pennsylvania pothole and not being heard of heard from for eight months until they come out somewhere in Australia. It's ridiculous. Uh, the the level of roads that we have.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

Well, I was uh I I I thought our roads was really bad around where we live, but uh I had to make a trip up the up 79 the other day, and I'll tell you what it was horrible, horrible. I mean, when I when I got up there, I had to check the air and all the tires because that's how bad the road was. It's it's just horrible. Yeah, and I thought it was a western Pennsylvania thing. Uh I I take it you live somewhere well.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

I I do live in western Pennsylvania, but uh and and not far from 79. And and I thought that it was a western Pennsylvania. Um I think we're breaking up.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

No, it's it's it's it's everywhere but Harrisburg.

unknown 23:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Yeah, yeah, that's uh I will tell you, uh, I used to do business a long time ago with uh somebody from Arkansas, and uh we were doing business together, and I I made a trip down there and and I said to him, I said, Man, I said, your roads, and he says, Yeah, we got one good road, and they said, I said, where is that? And they said, It goes to the back of the governor's mansion. Bill Clinton had it put in. So, anyways, um I guess it was for people to be able to get in and out the back, but uh I I wanna I want to thank you for coming on. Uh, and we can have you on again and do some updates and things. Uh, if somebody wants a sign or somebody wants to support you, what do they have to do?

SPEAKER_00 24:37

They can go to kink4pa.com. That's kink4pa.com. Everything's running through Ken's campaign. I'm just the lieutenant governor candidate, so it's kind of like you don't see JD Vance having his own uh his own website. He was just directing people to Donald Trump's website. Um, same for me. I'm just directing everybody to Ken K4pa. You can uh pin KenK4PA.com, you can um donate through that site. Um, one thing that we're really looking for right now is people to sign uh to help collect signatures or to sign our petitions. Uh you can contact that yeah, we need about 5,000 valid signatures, so our goal is 10,000 signatures. Um, if if you can just sign up there, we can send you a petition. Um, you can sign that. It it has a spot for 50 people to sign it. If you want to sign it and just send it back to us with just one signature, we'll take that. Um, but also if if we send you one, we would love it if you got at least your wife

How To Donate And Sign Petitions

SPEAKER_00 25:44

or your husband to sign for us. Uh, maybe your adult kids or your or your uh aunts and uncles, uh, just your your family, that would be great if you could get like 10 or 15 signatures on there. If you can fill it up with 50, that's even better. Um, but yeah, um uh reach out to us, give us our your mailing address, we can get a petition in your hands.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Well, there's gonna be a lot of events down here in southwestern PA. So if um okay and uh you have to turn in your your petitions August sometime, August.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Yeah, towards the end of August. I I don't know the exact date off the top of my head, but we can do like uh like fourth of July festivities, a lot of fairs uh happen in July and early August. We can do um lots of summer um summer events happening, and I would love to make it down to um to Fayette County um for some. When is the Fayette? The Fayette County Fair is huge. When is that when's that?

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Yeah, uh I believe it starts. I'm wanting to say it it it ends on August the 8th this year, but I think I I think I got that right, but uh we'll we'll we'll put that graphic up and uh but we're gonna be doing some stuff with the fair. But uh the uh it starts like the last Thursday of July, I believe, and then it goes through till the uh 8th or 10th or something of uh August.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

So we'll have to talk about getting signatures down there. That's a fun fair, and um, and that and that's during our signature window.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

Yeah, I think uh uh yeah, and we're gonna have other events happening down here. I'd like to get you, I'd like to get you down to, and uh, because I really believe in giving people the choice. Uh, I know that uh the Republican Party don't like that idea, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Um I I've been I've been um um well hey hey John, let me tell you uh like a lot of people do assume that libertarians take from the the Republicans, but um I'll I'll give you an example where where what I do could actually help Republican candidates sometimes. Uh during my Senate run, I had one event with Dave McCormick, and it was a black pastors united for education event. And Dave McCormick's like, here's how I would like to spend more government money to have more school choice. And I was like, here's my plan to close all public schools and privatize them all. So so uh Dave McCormick went from looking like he was he was uh well Casey was trying to paint him as a right-wing extremist, but then I came in and suddenly McCormick looks like the moderate. So for those swing voters, having somebody running to their right does help them the uh help the Republicans look a little bit more moderate. Uh so Republicans don't don't see that often, but but that is something that we do.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Well, I appreciate it. One more time, let's give out that contact information.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Uh we uh if you want to reach me directly, you can reach me at john at kink4pa.com. That's john at kink4pa.com. Or you can just reach go to our website, you can sign up to um sign up to donate, sign up for um for our contact list there. Um, and that website is kink4pa.com.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Okay, and uh I really appreciate you being on on with me. We'll keep on we'll keep on keeping on, and uh um I'll get you back on again. I know I got some other uh I got some other candidates we're gonna reach out to. I I like to give everybody a chance.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Um I guarantee you that uh um I guarantee you that uh them Austin Davis is not doing your show, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Well, but you know what? I will say this for Austin Davis. I was at the fair and I have a booth at the fair. In fact, this year it looks like I'm gonna have two booths at the fair, but uh I I had a booth at the fair and uh he actually came down to see me. Oh, that's great. Austin Davis walked right up to me and said, I'm Austin Davis, and I said, Okay. And he said, he said, I want to introduce myself. I understand you're the hillbully, and I said, I am, and he and he we talked for 10 minutes and and he he was uh he was a personable sort of fellow. Now I will tell you that Josh Shapiro probably not because I do got and I got like uh a lawsuit against him right now for some things that he done, but uh that's okay. Yeah, but uh but uh I will tell you that it uh I give Austin Davis a lot of credit. He came down and said hello.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

That's that

Other Candidates Plus Faith And Closing

SPEAKER_00 30:40

is commendable. That is commendable.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

I I will say maybe he will be on my show. I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, maybe he will. I want to thank you for being on. Uh, we're gonna get uh I'm gonna reach out to Jason Ritchie, and well, we just haven't got to do that yet. And uh uh I know he's a big energy guy. Uh and um there's I think there's uh somebody from the Constitution Party and probably a couple other people that we'll reach out to too. So anyway, thank you for so much for being on, and uh is uh and I appreciate it. And we'll get you if you want to be back on again. I think we can have a a lot of good discussions, me and you.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Yeah, I I it was a great discussion. I look forward maybe next time we can talk a little. Uh you started the show with a with a Bible verse. I'd love to talk about uh about um Christian governance. Uh I'm an I'm an elder at my church. I I uh love Jesus. Um just getting uh have my church community group coming up here in about two minutes, uh but I I would love to to talk about that some with you uh whenever you have me back on.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Yeah, we'll do that. We'll do that because I believe that the I believe the only way to change the government is gonna be through uh I hate I hate to say the dirty word politics, but it but politics and God is what's gonna change things. And actually, if you really think about it and you read your Bible when you understand what happened, Jesus Jesus was a pretty good uh he he he he he he wasn't a politician, but he was he was every bit of uh uh standing against the storm as anybody could possibly do in uh in a in a he was a king.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

He he he he were I I said it past tense, he is king, he is king. So um, so all hell king Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

Well, I'll have to ask you this. I ask all a lot of people this. So how long did it take Jesus to make the whip when he when he walked into the when he walked into the tabernacle? Oh, I don't know. Did you ever think about that?

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Well, hey, hey, uh I I I believe he he uh cleared the the uh the temple twice, maybe three times, maybe three times because John talks about him doing it at the beginning of his ministry. Then he we know he did it at the end of his ministry because the three synoptic gospels talk about that. I assume he probably did it the second time too. Like, like he did it one Passover. Am I supposed to believe he didn't do it the next Passover but did do it the third Passover? I think there's probably once he did it where it wasn't recorded, so he was probably expecting the the money changers to be there whenever he got there. So so maybe he uh he he just happened to uh to have that ready to go, knowing what he would come into.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Well, I yeah, and it it it's a in it's a good thing. I I I I really enjoy uh uh I I can see where me and you are gonna line up pretty close together.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Yeah, well, I appreciate the appreciated the talk, John. I do have to get going though. I have I do have my community group starting like right now. I'm surprised we did I didn't hear them laughing and chuckling downstairs yet.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

Well maybe they're maybe they're eating, uh maybe they're having a cup of coffee and having a cookie or something. So hey, it was nice talking to you. So, like on uh every show I close up on this road called life, you have to take the good with the bad, smile with the sad, love what you got, and all and and love what you got, remember what you had. Always forgive, but never forget. People change, things go wrong. Just remember the ride goes on. God bless each and every one of you, and God bless America. I am John Marietta, and I am the hillbilly.