Episode 8: Interview with Jules Darville

Jules Darville is a MMA Fighter out of England who has been helping people put together Diet and Workout Routines, along with Lifestyle Tips and realistic goals. You can find him and learn more about his program on Instragram @julesdarvillept 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Yes, sir. Well, I got another special guest here with us. Uh, someone who actually gave up a lot of time to get this going. Uh, he reached out to me and uh just messages just seeking out uh different stuff. Uh anyway, I'm already talking, I'm excited. Jules Darvell, uh MMA fighter, man. Nice to meet you. Nice to talk to you. Did I did I butcher your name? Is that how you say it over there? I didn't want to ruin it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

A little bit, yeah. It's Jules Darville, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Darva, Darva, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Nice to be here. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

Thank you. Yeah, thanks for coming on, man. It's nice to talk to you, and thank you for reaching out and uh thank you for just lending your support. So tell me about yourself. Undefeated MMA fighter, is that's what you told me? You uh how many years did you fight?

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Um, right, so I started training when I was so I actually started training during COVID. So I taught myself uh a big portion of my career. Um I started when I was 18, and then I had my last fight when I was I was 22. 22. No, sorry, 21. My bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Did you just start did you stop on top or what what made you stop fighting?

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Um a couple reasons. Um I was battling with a lot of injuries. I mean, my body racked up injuries like you couldn't imagine. It it felt like a 60-year-old man trapped inside a 24-year-old's body or 24-year-old's head.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

I have the same problem, but I drink a lot. That's usually my problem. So different kind of thing, though.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Yeah, man. No, I mean that that lifestyle couldn't facilitate drinking. I did I this was the um the upsetting thing because I did everything by the books, I did everything really well. Um, it's just finding's not there's no longevity in it, and there's there's certainly it it's a very hard thing to make a career out of. Um, not just the money side of it, I mean, it's probably the the lowest paying job in the UK at least. If you're an amateur or a semi-pro, it's probably the worst paying job that you can get away with doing, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Oh goodness. That sounds like it, but again, it it's gotta be fulfilling again to train that hard and then literally line up those fights and then have to, you know, the whole the whole premise, the beginning of it, the ending of it, and then to go in there undefeated, man, that's that's incredible. Good job to you.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

It's a beautiful thing. Like, I would I would recommend it to anybody, uh, boy or girl, um, when you leave school, I would recommend, and I think it should be mandatory in every school. Yeah, um, there's nothing quite like it. I mean, it taught me so much, and I'm so grateful that I did it. And if I could go back and do it again knowing that I'd be injured, I think I would still do it because of what it brought me um in my life.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Sure. I it it's gotta be that way. I mean, did you play other sports or what got you into fighting altogether just before COVID?

SPEAKER_00 3:16

I was I was terrible at other sports, every other sport you can imagine. I was so bad, it was unreal. And I just picked up boxing and it's just something that clicked, and it was just um, yeah. I mean, I I didn't know if I was doing the right thing or not. Um, but I just couldn't stop doing it. I mean, I'd I'd wake up fighting, I'd uh have lunch, think about fighting, watch fighting, go to bed. Can't wait to get up at seven and go training the next day. I was just obsessed with it. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Was it was it it was it was also because not only that with the with the nonstop training, I'm sure how was the diet change altogether? Did you have to change and learn how to re-eat and do different things altogether?

SPEAKER_00 3:57

That was um that was a really hard process. So not only learning how to to fuel your performance, um, which was a battle in itself, um, you eat the wrong things and you have a two-hour training session, you're sparring with the guys, you're doing what, 15 rounds of sparring, and then you're doing conditioning after. If you haven't fuelled your body at the right time with the right things, you're gonna you're gonna be blowing. Um that as well as cutting weight. I mean, there's weight classes at MMA for a reason and all combat sports. Um it got to the point where I mean the last fight that I had, excuse me, I cut 10 kilos, which is I think 22 pounds for you guys. Um, yeah, and if you if you don't know how to fuel yourself and you don't know how to to eat whilst dropping that weight, it your quality of life is just gone. For eight weeks, it's it's ruined. Yeah, diet's a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Yeah, it it I I that's what I've I've always read, especially. I mean, clearly I'm not uh in the best shape, but I'm always telling my wife I'm five steps away from having the best body in the world. So I'm I'm gonna let's close that out there. But diet diet of I've what I've always read is it's what 80-90% of the whole thing of losing weight.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

I mean it's very different for fighting. I mean, yeah, you can have the best diet of the world if you're not putting in the training for fighting and you're not hitting pads and you're not sparring, a good diet's not gonna take you anywhere. But if you look at it just from a standpoint of I want my body to look like this, yeah, yeah, diet is so important, mate. It's just it's unreal.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

It's especially speaking from, and I'm sure people were asking me, well, why are we talking to a fighter and stuff? But you have a great uh you have a great program that you just how long you've been on this program now, this this uh this diet and uh exercise program.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

This is uh this is a very new thing. So this is something that um I didn't even think of. This is something that I fell into because this is what my clients needed. I had been I'd been teaching privately. I mean, I I did it and then got very injured and then went back to it when I was cleared, um, all in all about a year. And people were asking me outside the training sessions, right? Love the training sessions, brilliant, but what do I go home and eat? How do I train when I'm not with you? Because they can't obviously they can't afford £40 every single day. I'd I'd do a session for £40, and and that would do them for the week. Not everybody can afford that every day, and it's it's ridiculous to expect that. Um, and people kept asking me, and one client turned into two and then three and then four, and I was like, right, hold on, people are genuinely not in the know, and for me, it seemed as um what's the word? It seemed like common knowledge, but that's because of my background, that's because of my work. Yeah. And I realized that hold on, there's a there's a big gap here. Um, people don't know what they're doing, and they need something to, they need a man to uh a middleman um to fill in the blanks, if you will, and answer all those questions. And that's how the business came about.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

It's great. And what what is your business called?

SPEAKER_00 6:48

It's just my my name, Jules Darville PT. That's what's on my business cards perfect on my account. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

So yeah, and and why I thought this would be so important, especially, because I know like with a lot of kids who struggle with special needs kids and stuff like that, we we kind of fend for ourselves, like me especially. I'll talk about just use my for example. I stress eat. So like when I when I get off work, like I don't like when I'm working all day and then like you know, life comes at you full force and stuff, and then you my first step is going, oh god, I haven't eaten in like seven or eight hours. And then you go to the pantry, what is there? You just grab all like the kids' junk food that's there and kind of snack upon that. What's something that you think of? Like, do you think meal prep is a good thing to help out for something like that? That something's already ready to go? What would you suggest?

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Meal prep's brilliant, of course it's brilliant, but the um how realistic is it is a very different thing because uh listen, I don't know what it's like to have kids, I have no idea. I've never grown up with siblings, but I can imagine it's really fucking hard. Yeah, excuse my language. No, you could say it and yeah, when it comes to caring for a child, it's it's like a full-time job. Um, to then go and oh, hold on, I'll also go to my other full-time job and then I'll go home and meal prep and then take care of myself. Yeah, very good, but not everybody has 40 hours in a day. Um, meal prep in essence is a very good idea, practicality-wise, not so much. I think the main thing is understanding the philosophy and treating your um treating your diet as a program and it must have structure. In my fighting training, if I went into um if I went into the training room and Monday I went in and I didn't know what I was gonna train, I didn't know if I was rolling, I didn't know if I was wrestling or boxing or sparring, I'm not gonna get anywhere. There has to be a structure like anything. Anything that has some value, you put thought into it beforehand. So I think the main thing, maybe not so much meal prep, but plan what you're gonna eat. If you if your shifts finish on a if you do a Monday to Friday, and you need to do your shopping on a Sunday, sit down for 10 minutes. That's all it takes. Plan what you're gonna eat, plan what you're gonna buy from the supermarket, and that will give you a bit of head start. That's that's the main thing for me.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

That's big. Um, and then what about like uh do you suggest like to have like certain snacks just on hand? Are you still is it better to have stuff just kind of ahead of it ahead of time that way you don't have to like because again, especially when I'm thinking so quickly, I just grab what I see versus like me going, oh I should stop 10 minutes and do it? Like, what's realistic about that, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Absolutely. Um it all depends on your goals. So, for example, for me, I was really, really skinny when I was younger. So I'm six foot one. Um, do you guys do inches and and feet in in the space?

SPEAKER_01 9:34

You got it right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Yeah, and I was sixty, I think I was 59 kilos, so I was really, really small. So it depends. I mean, when somebody's that amount nourished and that slim, you need to eat as much as you can. But if somebody that's overweight, then it's a different ball game. I think for most parents, the issue is being overweight, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

100%.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Um yeah, intermittent fasting is is up there with one of the best tools you can use to lose weight. Just pushing back the window, you don't need to look in the science of it. The science is there, but you don't need to look at it. Just pushing back the window of right, I'm not gonna eat first thing in the morning because your body doesn't really need it. Let's face it. I mean, if you're overweight as well, you can go days without eating, it's all in your head. If you can push that window back towards, I don't know, depending on what time you wake up. I don't eat my first meal up until 2 pm in the day. And I eat my last meal at 8. Especially if you're not fueling something, if you've got a desk job, you don't need to be eating beforehand. Um, yeah, that's a that's a really big thing. When it comes to snacks, there's alternatives to everything. I don't know what it's like in the States, but I can imagine it's even more so than it is in the UK. If you want crisps, there's a healthier version. If you want chocolate, there's a healthier version. Whatever you make in your kitchen is going to be better for you. Um going back to the the structuring of things, understand what your body needs, understand um your weight, your height, and your calorie intake, what your calorie um maintenance level is, that's huge. I mean, I think a lot of people drastically overestimate what they need to eat, myself included.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

That's yeah, that's big.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Yeah, it's it's it's always that thing of like the mindset. Like I said, like if I'm working all day and I won't even go, I almost tell myself, if I don't eat now, I'm not gonna eat. And then that but you're saying 2 p.m. makes makes way more sense because I I usually try and because I don't I don't eat breakfast. Oh, I won't eat until about 11. But if I just push it back like three or four more hours and then just have that six hour window of me eating what I need to eat, and that six hour and then I'm done, it's you say it's just way better for you.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Do you know what I mean? Because you're you're if you push back that window more and more and more, you're not gonna be then you're still gonna want to go to bed at the same time. So you've just closed that window essentially. I mean, you've probably saved yourself eating about 500 calories without even knowing about it. That's that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

That's brilliant. I like that. And intermittent fasting, yeah, that that it I've I've seen good results from it as well, especially when yeah, it just it's and I water is obviously a big thing for me. I just constantly just in the mornings, I just drink straight water, I don't drink anything else. Um, not really much. What about ca caffeine stuff? What do you think for parents drinking caffeine? Brilliant?

SPEAKER_00 12:17

Brilliant. One of the best supplements you can ever take. Whenever when people talk about supplements, nobody talks about caffeine. It is one of the oldest and one of the best you could ever take, no matter what. Okay, what anybody says.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

Caffeine is it. Okay, that's good. It's it's good energy, right? It just brings natural energy to yourself and moves around. I really agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

And it curves your hunger as well. It's for cutting away, it's brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yeah, it's like almost you could pack a cigarette in yourself and just have a cigarette or something every now again. Uh, what about uh so a big thing too? Kids with picky eaters, this is the this is the toughest one, especially I want to get out. So you have a kid, especially with autistic kids, they're very, very particular with the eating. Like my son, he eats he'll eat a ton of fruit all day long. I can give him fruit, I can give him watermelon, grapes, bananas, apples, and he'd be he can live off that. But obviously, you want to add in some things here. Like, what do you suggest for picky eaters? Is there some supplements you should put in their food? Something you can help them out with, anything like that? We can help to give them like more nutritious balance of what they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

I mean, like I said, I don't know anything about parenting, I don't know how about anything about children. I haven't dealt with that sort of stuff. But what I can say, all I can say is experiment with food. Food is such a a lovely thing in our lives that put some put some time into it, spend time cooking with your children. This is what I would do. Um, and try a new thing every weekend, every evening. Just keep trying, keep trying, and keep trying. My parents were really old school, they put something in front of me. You're eating that, that's it. If you don't want it, no problem, yeah. You're not eating. That's what my parents were like. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

Yeah, it's it's it's always that thing because like the it's it's always like it's it could be texture, it could be something that they like it could be the color of the food sometimes, which makes it always tougher. But I know for us, and um I I obviously I'll bring my wife on a little bit later to we can go over that, but she's we can talk about just the the particulars of what we do, and we always try and make it different. She does a good job of always trying to cook a home meal every night and doing that stuff too, and then we try and yeah, including the kids is always a big thing too, especially when they see it. I think if they see the texture and see the stuff of what they're doing, that seems to help out a lot more. Yeah, expanding the food. So uh that's big. Um, what what are the things? What about calisthenics uh walking? What do you suggest for parents who just are overstressed and overgoing through it? Anything you can kind of give them or tips or quick things that they could use?

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Um people overestimate what they need to be in good shape. When I started training, I think I spent the first year of my fighting career. Obviously, uh fighting is a little bit different, but you don't need to be putting on a set of gloves and hitting pads. I spent the first year I would say, or just under, training in a park under a park lamp, and I got in phenomenal shape. It was lockdown, I couldn't do anything.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

I had a um where I lived in the village, there was a big park lamp and it pointed down at this um this goal post. So I would do pull-ups on the goal post, I would do push-ups, and I would do sprints, and that is all I would do for ages, and I got in really good shape. You can do an awful lot with a skipping rope, a set of dumbbells, obviously, relative to your weight. I mean, if you're a hundred kilo guy, you you need something different to a mum as 50 kilos. Um a skipping rope is big. I mean, the minute you learn how to skip, there is a bit of a skill thing. Um, so you can't just get on it straight away. Skipping is huge. Um, a set of dumbbells, if you can get a pull-up bar in your house, that's amazing. Push-ups, sit-ups, plank, jogging on the spot, going for sprints. I mean, like I said, I don't know what it's like to have a child, but I'm sure you can get out of the house for 20 minutes, go and do sprints. You don't need to be doing hour runs. It's not it's not necessary. I was a fighter and I never did hour runs.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

You think sprinting is better than actual like long, like long gym running? 100%.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

100%. Because it's a it's a spike in your um in your heart rate. That that alone is gonna burn calories more than uh a flat um trajectory of heart rate. The more you spike it, stop, spike it, stop. That's yeah, that's huge.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

It makes it better. Because especially when people think they have to spend hours in gyms and stuff, and I always think in my head, it's like it's not that. It's just if if you can figure out what you're putting in your body, treat the food like medicine in a sense, rather than having to take take the medicine for with your food because you've kind of treated your body for so long, so worse. Uh, that's a big thing. And then yeah, just literally any kind of exercise that you could do. If we anything of playing outside the kids, where I try and run around and do stuff with the football, I try and do stuff with yeah, with with our other kids. I mean, my other kid elopes where he runs consistently, so you have to be in a decent shape to chase him. So it's it's otherwise it could be dangerous.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Yeah, of course. And in um including your children as well. I mean, sports must be huge. And every every child that I've had come to me, I haven't I haven't dealt with many young children, but I've had a lot of mums with children. I don't know what to do with them, they've got so much energy. Please just do some boxing with them. I haven't had one that didn't absolutely adore it and just couldn't wait to come back. They all love it. I mean, if you can do that sort of stuff for your your children, football, rugby, any sport that involves your body, I think that's massive. Yeah, I think that'd be really important.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Yeah, and and boxing for kids is so important. I think having just self-defense and knowing what to do and how to how to train and and uh every kid that you've ever met, in my opinion, what whenever in my walks of life, when they've trained them when they're young, they are such a different outcome in their lives uh in a positive way. Uh anything that like gives them structure and and works at them. My oldest does football and he's he's so into it, like he he he focuses on the game. Like all he does is watch it on YouTube of how to build like teams and then he looks at different positions and stuff. And I'm so happy he's into that versus like you know playing all the video games that he wants to play, sure. But he's again, he's a monster. And that that to me is it keeps me outside of going, okay, now we're training, now we're doing stuff to learn how to snap the ball better and how to how to tackle and how to block and all that stuff like that. So it's massive. And it's and it's uh it's I look at that time as as my exercise time, especially like when he goes out and does training stuff and I take him to speed trainings and stuff, I try and use that time as well to kind of facilitate. Because again, sometimes you don't have time. Sometimes it's like these kids parents have to work 40 hours a week and then they their kids are out and you have to come home and learn how to be with your kid. But having certain tips like this of just of what you're showing them and telling them now and and just certain things about little things that they can just do differently, it's big. So is there anything else you could think of that we could we could use or we could tell them that, like, look, when you're at home, do this and and eat this and any kind of particulars you could look at?

SPEAKER_00 18:55

I would um if I was in that position, or rather, let me say it like this: if I was in the position where one of my clients was a parent with a child and they were struggling for time, I would ask them, what do you and your kids love doing? Uh do you like I mean you guys live in the States, I'm I'm sure there's some beautiful landscapes out there. I can't wait to go myself.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

I would take my child hiking all the time. I'd probably take them every weekend. Um, that would be a very big thing for me. Find out what they like. Like your son with with football, structure his training around your football and bring yourself into it. There's nothing saying, like I said, I don't know anything about football, but there's nothing saying that you guys can't then take it off the pitch. It doesn't need to be with his team, it can be you and him, and you it can bring you two together. You're spending time with him as well, you're you're bonding massively. I remember doing boxing with my dad, and I it it feels like I was barely old enough to to speak, but I still remember how important that was to me. Doing that with my dad, it was it was huge. Um, like I said, the the big thing for me is is structure. Um, and everybody is different. It's very hard to put um uh to put a circle around all of it, but I think you need to really understand what your lifestyle entails, what what hours a week you're doing, what you realistically and honestly when your free time is, because I think people say, my girlfriend included, oh, I've got no free time and this and that, but she needs an hour to sit on the sofa and scroll through her phone. Yeah, that is free time. Um and it's it's what do you want more? Do you want to sit on the sofa and relax, or do you want to be in the shape that you're happy and proud to look at yourself in the mirror? It's up to you. If you if you're not that fast, then I'm not the person to speak to. But if you really do want to make a change, structure is the big one, um, and quality of life for me is is massive. So, yes, you can do craft diets that are extremely intense and you will get results, but how the human brain works is when something's taken away, you're gonna try and take more and double when you can get it back. Um, this is the reason why I incorporate intermittent fasting with a lot of my clients because it opens up a big window of let's say um a man like myself needs 2,200 calories and I'm trying to lose weight, um, I will put down a calorie maintenance of no more than 400, and even that's extreme. You've opened up a window where in that eight hours, you're not gonna get it's gonna be very hard to put those calories in. So you can have the things you like. You can have a bar of chocolate. When I was kind of waiting for fight, I would, yes, the the fasting window was huge and I would eat my first meal at five. But it it wasn't unnatural that I'd have a whole bar of chocolate and I'd still be in my calories. The quality of life is big because then you will stick to it. Um so yeah, what I would say to these parents is structure your meals, structure your training, um and figure out what you realistically can do because you can do an awful lot and you can get an awful lot done in just your living room.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

That's great. And then so would you recommend like doing one like step by step? Would you recommend like analyzing them? Like, would you have them do exercise first and then diet first? Would you recommend like just doing one at a time so you're used to it and then kind of build in the structure, or just say, you know what, organize it and do everything together?

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Organize it and do everything together. You shouldn't um in the beginning, it's not gonna be that difficult and it's not gonna um be that much of a strain where you feel like you only can do one or the other. Um, this is why I say about the quality of life. It should merge into your lifestyle and you should want to do it. I can't wait to go to the gym every day. I can't wait to go smash pads and spar with my friends. Um it's they complement each other. It's not you can only get so far with one. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Makes sense. Uh, and then so again, how do we reach out to you? Tell me how do you how about your what what you should what if people want to reach out to you and get a program together or something like that, what's a good way to do that? Tell me how to go how to start from there.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Yeah, so it's um how I deal with my clients is I've never dealt with any internationally. Um, it all goes through my business Instagram, which is my full name, Jules Darville, PT. Um, and if I get the go ahead that one of my clients or soon-to-be clients um says, Right, this is my job, um, please help me. I will set up a phone consultation because I need to get a lot of information. I'll sit there with a pen and paper. I need to figure out what you're eating, how much you're sleeping, what you're drinking, um your social life, what your work life is, how you're exercising. I'll take all that information. It normally takes me about a week um to figure out a program, and I will essentially um take out all the questions um and all the room for error that people will make. And trust me, you do make them, I make I made loads. Um because there's so much information on the internet, and a lot of it is contradicting. Um, there are a lot of people that don't know what the hell they're talking about with big platforms and shouldn't have those platforms. Um talking about nutrition as if they've got a nutrition degree or if they're a chef. You can't listen to everything um you hear on YouTube or Instagram. Um, but that's how I deal with my clients, and then I set up um I I say to them, listen, it's it's not um a short process, it's not something that you're gonna get your dream body in two months. If that was the case, everybody would have their dream body.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Um it normally six months you will start to see results. Um, but hopefully, when I've done my job, you start to see the results that you want, and it starts rolling the ball. Um and hopefully the quality of life is still the same if I've done my job right, and you will want to keep going without me. And I know a lot of um people that own businesses will say this is self-self-righteous. Um, but I genuinely want people to do better, even if when they're not paying me. It makes me very happy when they send me a message saying, Listen, I've I'm still losing weight. It's fucking brilliant. Like I I believe life is too short. You only get one body, and it's too short to not see the potential it has. That's perfect. That's what I believe.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

I love it. Well, uh yeah, I I definitely think that's great. I I I wish you um nothing but the best for this, and I hope uh I know this this podcast is kind of just getting going, but I mean it'll be saved, and I hope anyone who reaches out to you and uh you get programs for people going, because I I think it can change. And just hearing little things like that, it's it's a motivational speech of it can be done. And it's like because a lot of times we hear the stuff like you said, it's like you hear the stuff on Instagram, you can lose weight in five days. No, it doesn't work that way. You have to change your whole life and change it in a way, just like you said. Like, what do you what are you realistically doing? What are your what are your realistic goals? Like, clearly, I'm not gonna have washboard abs, but if I can be healthier every day and live long enough to be my kid around my kids, that's my goal. And that's that's what I want to do. I want to be able to be happy. I don't want to change too much of my lifestyle, but I want to curve it so like I every day can just be, I don't have to think about I don't I don't have to worry about food. I can make sure my kids are getting the nutrition they need to get, and then we all do exercise enough to move around more and we're all happier and better in shape, and that's really all I want. That's that's what we all need.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

And it's it's what you want more. I mean, do uh do some people want to sit on the sofa and drink beer all night, or would they like to be able to go play football with their kids and look at themselves in the mirror and say, I'm I'm happy, I'm lucky with myself, and I'm proud of myself. That is such an under un um underspoke about thing to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud and your children to be proud of you. Look at what my dad is, look at the man he is.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Yeah, just look at look at what he does.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

But I I can imagine that that is huge.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

But having your dad take you boxing, I'm sure, you seeing that and seeing your dad of what he was doing for you, you looked at him and it's like, oh, look at my dad. Let me Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

But I was um I've been aggressively um competitive all my life, and I just couldn't wait to be better than him in everything. Um that's that's just how I was, even when I was what, 11?

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

I just couldn't wait to beat him in swimming or running or arm wrestling, everything. I just wanted to be the best. Um but I mean, yeah, I mean, if if my dad never did that with me, I think that would be um yeah, my life would be very different. I probably would have never picked up the gloves. Yeah. It's it yeah, it's such an impact. He's he's my old man. If I mean he was my parents are everything when I'm that age, you know what I mean? It's if I see my dad do this, I'm gonna follow suit.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Just it it does, and it turns you into the man you are today and doing this now, and now you want to help other people do it. And that's a big thing, man. I I I I commend you so much for doing that. Um, and it's great. I think your program is amazing. I'm so happy you reached out to me and spent the time with me. And uh, I'm gonna share this with everybody that I can, and hopefully it gets anyone your way, and I welcome you to ever come back. If you want to share tips or anything like that, you ever want to come on again, my friend. I'm here for you, and I just appreciate your time. I really do.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

Thank you very much, Joe.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Yeah, cheers, my friend, and uh we'll be uh we'll be in touch soon, and uh hopefully we'll speak again soon, my friend. Cheers.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Absolutely, mate. Thank you for having me. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Are you gonna try intermediate fa fasting?

SPEAKER_03 28:53

Um yeah, I'll give it a shot. I feel like I have given it a shot before, but I I kind of half-assed it.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

So it's called it's called intermediate fasting.

SPEAKER_03 29:03

It's called intermittent fasting.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Intermediate, it's like in between. It's like beginner beginner, intermediate and advanced fasting. So yeah. Uh no, thanks, thanks, Jules, for coming on. That was really cool.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Yeah, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Um, so I wanted to ask you, what are some eating habits and stuff like that that we can do better for Carson? Do you think I know you put that vitamin like in his uh his Nutella, which is pretty cool. Um do you try how do you force force new foods on him? Do you just give it to him and he throws it in your face? What's he do?

SPEAKER_03 29:34

Um, well, when we introduce new foods, we kind of just either hand it to him or give it to him on his plate. And the first thing he does is he picks it up and he smells it. And if he doesn't like it, he'll push it away. So I mean it's it's hard to get him to like actually like try new stuff.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

I I like the idea of mixing stuff in like supplement, not supplements, but like vitamins are a big thing. Um, and then stuff because again, he eats pretty good. I mean, he eats better than Nolan does. He eats uh a lot of fruits. Oh, like healthy wise, yeah. Healthy healthier wise.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

He's probably just not getting everything that he needs, like all the food groups, if you will. But yeah, he does eat pretty good for being a picky eater.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

I remember we used to be able to get he used to eat steak, and that that stopped pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_03 30:19

It was a lot of things that he used to eat. I was just thinking of something the other day, like um steak, and then he used to eat like actual like chicken breast, and now the only chicken he eats is like chicken nuggets, chicken tenders. Um yeah, there was a lot of things that he used to eat. Um I feel like he used to eat like uh chicken fried steak too when we would make that. That was a good one that he's gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

It's like any kind of breaded chicken he can eat, but I'm sure there's a way we can kind of tweak that a little bit, uh, where he can he'll maybe he won't bat an eye at what he's doing. Um I like the idea of what he would what Jules said is about cooking with him. Like sometimes seeing him to do that, that would be pretty cool, but it's obviously hard to get into the floor.

SPEAKER_03 30:57

I think that helps that helps with Nolan, cooking with Nolan and letting him like see what he's making.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

Um, I think that helps with him.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

I don't know about Carson, we could try it, but I just think he gets like lost in the texture, like if with the flour and stuff like that. Flour, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

I was just cooking with flour the other night and he walked over and like put his whole hand in it.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Yeah. We could try stuff like that. I don't know that that'd be pretty cool. Um, what do you what do you do? Like what I I know like you don't stress eat like I do, but like what it what are what is something that you do that like is there something that like do you wait to eat? Do you do you not like starve yourself? Do you just I know like sometimes I obviously when the kids eat, we kind of eat what the kids eat and it's making two meals is a pain in the ass, but like what do you kind of do with that?

SPEAKER_03 31:41

I think it just kind of depends. Like um, some days I you know don't eat until like the afternoon. Some days I'll be hungry when I wake up, I'll eat a little bit. Um, but to me nothing ever sounds good. Like I have like a huge like food aversion for some reason. So like I'm always like searching for what to eat, and then I'll probably pick like an unhealthy option just to something quick just to get it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

But some days I even I do intermittent fasting without even intermittent fasting without even realizing it. Like I don't sometimes I don't eat till like two o'clock in the afternoon, and then um but I think you know I have a hard time like closing that window that he said, like you're only supposed to eat for what like six to eight hours, six hours, yeah. Yeah, a hard time closing it, and then I don't think sometimes I feel like I'm not eating enough during that time, or sometimes I'm eating too much during that time. So I think it's more like kind of tracking the calories of what I'm putting in.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Well, it's like Jules said, like you don't your body doesn't need that much to to to to survive, but so realistically, if if you just had that window of like saying, okay, two two to eight or two to six seven, whatever the two to eight, two to eight, three six, yeah. Yeah, just that that window, because it just I guess depends on when you go to bed too, but um that's more advanced fasting, so it's a little different.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

But it's not intermediate, it's not intermediate at that point. It's when it's advanced.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

When you're thinking about bedtime and stuff like that, it's a whole different world. Um, I I think that'd be kind of cool just to say, like, look, I I I think I can do that. I think I can sit there and just like say, okay, I'm not gonna eat my first meal till two, and then usually I when I when I do that, like we on weekends when we go out, I'll come home and I typically don't I don't I don't have anything until we have lunch that time, and that's usually around like one or two.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

Yeah. Um do you think that you're having like too many calories during that window?

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Not as much as I used to. No, definitely not. It's a lifestyle change, you know. I don't know if you think about that.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

I I know you you sacrificed a lot to get where you're at right now.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

This body doesn't make itself, it takes time. So I I I think more of that. I think if I tried that, I think that'd be pretty cool. And I think getting Carson into something like that, we're cooking and trying more, but he does a pretty good job. I think overall we can always do better. Um, it's just hard when you're stressed out. Sometimes you're not thinking about it. But if we set the goals like like Jules said, and do that, I think that'd be pretty cool. Um be so cool if I can get Carson like in a like a wrestling class or a boxing class. I think I got so I was like, God, that'd be so cool if I get him like just to hit a bag and like, you know, or something, something pretty cool like that. Getting no one into that would be pretty fun too. I think no one would really enjoy that.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

I think no one would like it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Um, but I I was I focus more on Carson sometimes because I feel like he doesn't get any of that.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

Um Yeah, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

It's just like what do you do? I mean, we can I I want to try and take him to the football field more when we take Nolan and just see what he does, and just maybe he can maybe he'll do stuff and he'll surprise us. I think you know it's not that he doesn't understand it, it's just having his body react the same way his brain does.

SPEAKER_03 34:34

And um It would be a dream of mine if you were able to like take him to a football practice and he was able to just run around the field with the kids while they do drills because he sees the kids running around all the time and he always wants to run with them. And at Nolan's baseball game the other day, there was like he, you know, he stays in like the little bullpen area, the pitching practice pitching area. Well, there was like a three or four kids that were in there and they were like running back and forth from like home plate to the pitching mound, and then all of a sudden he's eyes lit up and he started running with them, and it was just like it was really cool to see because I know he's been wanting to do that for a while.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

I think I made a mistake by not putting him in the Miracle League this year.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

Um that's all right, we'll just do it next year.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

I know, but I just think he would he would have been like getting him in the uniform and the whole thing and then getting ready to go, he would have been he would have loved it because it's he always sees his brother do it, and then having him do it would be just a whole different thing. And no one was such a big supporter too. He's like, that'd be so awesome. I can see him play and do that stuff. And yeah, um, so I just think, yeah, more exercise, more stuff, more lifetime lifestyle adjustments, but keeping it in your lifestyle of stuff you're gonna do. That's that's a good tip.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

So yeah, whatever's like realistic for you.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Yeah, not you know, drinking less. I've already kind of done that, but I fell off of my drinking. I I I used to be you know that's not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

It is a bad thing. It's not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

It's a very bad thing. I used to be like all about it, like every weekend killing a bottle of scotch, and now that's not even like that anymore. Yeah, this is boring. I I don't like this. This is this parenthood stuff is not for me sometimes. I just want to just, you know, do trill shit as the kids say. You know?

SPEAKER_03 36:08

Yeah, well, sometimes you get stuck in a rut as a parent too, and it's always nice to step out of the box for a minute.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

I think uh yeah, I think we'll try that we'll try that stuff. So um any other tips you could add that was like I know we we've moved the medicine to like syringes and stuff like that, which is pretty cool. We've gotten them kind of away from milk altogether. Um so anything else that you could think of that we kind of like tip tip-wise that we kind of do with like food and stuff like that that we kind of sneak in.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

Tips that we do for listeners? Um not really. I mean, you know, we just try to introduce new foods, doesn't always go over well, but um I feel like we're more open to tips or like no, yeah. Yeah, that's why that's why I sort of if I could find a way to like get both of the boys to eat some vegetables, that'd be fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

What about those green supplements?

SPEAKER_03 37:00

Those which ones?

SPEAKER_01 37:02

There's like there's a whole bunch of supplements that like are just greens like that basically like you can put in their food.

SPEAKER_03 37:08

Gummies or like a powder.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

There's a powder, there's both.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

I haven't had that one. We could try and put it like a well I think the vitamin that I do give them has a lot of a lot of stuff in it, which is good.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

But um you gotta make it a mandatory thing for both of them. At least at least once I mean at least a couple days a week would be fair, I think. That's all we can do. Other than that, it's like it's kind of impossible to make these assumptions of what you can and can't do. So um, yeah, that's all we'll do. But with that being said, um, anything else positive you want to say? Anything upbeat? Anything uh exciting? Anything negative? How about negative? Let's do negative. Negative? Yeah, let's do negative. I want to talk negative stuff.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

Um I'm only kidding. Yeah, you put me on the spot. I can't think of anything positive or negative right now.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

And then a negative or a negative.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Positive, actually, Carson's been babbling a lot more.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Babble, babble, babble. He won't shut up. Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

It's like almost like he's about to like say a word. He's talking like babbling like full sentences, like saying like four to five different sounds at a time. So that's cool. Um little new, like he has babbled before, but I feel like he's using more different like vowel sounds or different sounds.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

Yeah, he's he's been like trying to say sentences and yell at us in different ways and stuff. So it's been pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Yeah, so that's cool. Um good. Anything else?

SPEAKER_01 38:27

No, I think that's it. I just wanted to get you on and get get your get your opinion on stuff and yeah, make sure you heard that stuff of what we were doing. So thanks again, man. I appreciate you. And uh, we're looking forward to our next guests, and uh cheers, everybody, you know, you can do it.