This 23-Year-Old Exposed Why Men Fear Commitment

This week the dads bring in a special guest—Keegan. He’s not a father yet, but he wants to be one day, and that perspective created one of the most interesting conversations yet.
From hilarious family stories and childhood memories to serious talk about masculinity, dating culture, purity, identity, and what young men are facing today—this episode bridges two generations of thought.
The guys unpack what it means to become a man in today’s world, why fatherhood matters more than ever, and how serving your family may be the greatest definition of strength.
This one is funny, honest, thoughtful, and full of wisdom for dads, future dads, and anyone trying to figure life out.

⏱️ Timestamps
0:00 – Chaotic intro + Keegan enters the pod 😂
2:00 – Meet Keegan: aspiring dad, sports card entrepreneur
6:00 – The kidney stone elevator story (unreal)
10:00 – Building hustle from a young age
13:00 – Fear of judgment, haters & doing your own thing
18:00 – Why identity matters more than opinions
21:00 – First dad question: funniest thing Keegan’s dad ever did
24:00 – Candle sniffing at Target 💀
25:00 – What makes Keegan’s dad special
27:00 – What he wants to carry into fatherhood one day
29:00 – How this generation views fatherhood differently
33:00 – Dating apps, commitment & modern relationships
38:00 – Biggest challenge for young men before marriage
40:00 – Purity, instant gratification & pornography culture
43:00 – Is masculinity making a comeback?
46:00 – Why discipling your children matters
49:00 – Becoming a father: does it change you or reveal you?
52:00 – What being a good man really looks like
55:00 – Serving your wife and leading your family well
58:00 – Final words to future kids

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:17

Well you need me calling what you are.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Hey. I'm gonna get it on beat this time. I'm gonna get it on beat this time. I don't think you want. Welcome to the Dako Podcast. Greatest podcast in the world. See how you're weeping.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

It's not too bad, man. I'm glad the weekend is here. If you're watching this, it's probably gonna drop on a Thursday, so it's the freaking weekend. I'm in jail under somewhere. That's R. Kelly, dog. Oh, that's Kelly. That's it. That's R. Kelly, man.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

I don't know, actually. I thought it was Nelly. No, that's R Kelly. That's R. Kelly. Yep. All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

But he's peeing on somebody in jail right now, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Oh my god.

unknown 1:10

R.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Kelly, dog. Get us up a little guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

That's crazy work. Crazy work. That is crazy work. I'm trying to turn mine up. Check one tier. There it is. My bad. My bad. Listen, y'all probably see in the empty chair right here. Yep. Jeremy died. He died. Just joking. Uh, we got a new third chair in this week. Yes. Pretty, pretty freaking awesome third chair, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

I don't know much about him, to be honest with you. Um I know that I I beat him in uh beer pong and paddle ball. What's it called? Pickleball. Paddleball. Paddleball. Paddleball. Paddleball and pickleball. Beat him in both of those. And he's not that good. But hey, he's also a very prideful human being. You guys will see he is just extremely obnoxious. One of the most loud people I've ever met in my life. So uh yeah, I think we should just bring him on.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Now, on that note, third chair, why don't you make your way over here? Well make your way over here, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Some fella here.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Buddy. Got a Ford Racer in the house. Ford Racer. Uh, if you're listening on Spotify, you can't see what he's wearing, but he's wearing a full race get up. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

I'm actually uh Jeremy 10 years ago. So I Jeremy actually. I'm 21-year-old Jeremy.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

You don't want to be that Jeremy.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

We established that last time.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Uh Instagram right now is establishing that I don't want to be 21-year-old Jeremy.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Yo, that was a good pod. It was a good pod. Everybody, let me introduce you to King!

SPEAKER_03 2:40

Thank you, King, King, King! Quite the intro, speaking of R. Kelly and uh King. Yeah, how do you yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

How do you get me with that? Let me tell you how.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

And also you didn't beat me. We'll clarify that again.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Wasn't that so again?

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Uh you did not beat me.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Oh, yeah. I mean, I did a little bit more. But it's okay. I mean, kind of.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

I'm okay with people thinking that you beat me.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Exactly. Let's just keep that. Why you gotta bring that on camera, Keegan? Jeez. You see what I'm talking about, Prifely? Is it's crazy, bro. No, I'm joking. He is actually, I can I I'm gonna give a soft answer. I'll let you go hard on him. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the right word?

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

The right word.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

I don't think I'll. I think I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna leave.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Although I'm pretty sure that is a normal thing for you guys. No, uh, Keegan's actually one of the coolest guys I've met. He's uh he he he drives around in a nice car, made a great name for himself. We're probably gonna get to it a little bit, but not much. And I just want to say he's a he is actually a super humble human being, um, very kind. And yeah, I just want to throw that out there. Thank you. I appreciate that, bro. Yeah, bro. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

Keegan, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? Tell us how many kids you got. Yeah, how many kids you've got. What's your wife like?

SPEAKER_03 3:50

What is your life like, you know? Yeah, so you asked me you asked me to come on this this podcast a week ago, so I thought, man, I gotta get busy becoming a dad. Uh great news, I'm already a dad to uh Dustin's child, actually a godfather. Yeah, yeah, this is my godfather.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Oh, this is this is my daughter's godfather.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

Yeah, godfather. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Uh I met Keegan, what, six years ago now? We're going on five or six? Five or six. Um Keegan is uh basically the little brother of my wife.

SPEAKER_03 4:25

Yes, yeah, and now pretty much your little brother. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, yeah, sure. Pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

I mean I mean, I'll take him.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

Yeah, I didn't know I didn't know we we established that. That's I'm not we're bros. We're bros. I mean, we're like brothers. I'm not gonna cry at all.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

We'll see how the podcast ends up.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, yeah. Um, dude, so uh just right off the bat, why don't you why don't you tell uh all our listeners, watchers, kind of what you do, what uh what he's not a dad, by the way. Um but that's what's gonna make this that's he's a godfather.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

Aspiring dad. You know, I want to be a dad one day.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Yeah. First you have to get a lady fire.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

He's an aspiring dad. Are you single?

SPEAKER_03 5:07

Yeah, I have, yeah, yeah. Ladies!

SPEAKER_00 5:10

We're gonna put his number and address right here. Address. Social security number, credit card number.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Here's his email address.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

You can send him a little we're actually taking applications. Yeah. I don't know, maybe. Dude, probably not.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

We should do a a speed date for him, bud. Will we be in his ear? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. Like he can say this. Yeah. Say you like fruit.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Like in practice, and then you'll be single the rest of your life. Yeah, I think I'll let us tell you how to how to dip. No, we did it, bro. We can teach us all the time. All the 23-year-old women that y'all know. We barely did it.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Speak yourself.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Bro, you courted for like three years.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

What are you talking about? Hey dog, firstly, firstly, dude, disrespectful. I'm sorry. You said you guys had gay nights for three years, wife at Target, dude. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 6:02

Hey, that's bro. He did meet his wife. I did meet my wife at Target. And there we go. It worked out good.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

It worked out. If Alec, if you listen, if you're listening to this, Dustin's wife, you were actually a wonderful person. The best part about this whole family, you and your daughter. And your dog. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

The dog before me is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

You're fourth on the end of the day.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

And then the dog. And then Dustin's uh parents, and then his siblings. Yes, yeah. Even the ones I haven't met.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Been there.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yeah. Huh?

SPEAKER_03 6:31

Been there.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Been there. Been there. Alright, man. Tell us about yourself.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

Yeah, well, I'm unemployed. Uh we can start there. Uh so we can add that to the resume when you're uh trying to set me up with somebody. I uh I'm unemployed. Uh yeah, don't have a job. Just graduated about a year ago. Um graduated uh high school, college, college, University of Texas, uh hookup. Yeah. And uh yeah, dude, I'm I'm really good at forming kidney stones. I'm really good at forming kidney stones.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Bro, tell us the story of the elevator.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Oh, mate. I so the past like six months, I've had kidney stones probably four times. Yeah, yeah, not good. Yeah, the average age I think is 44, so I'm 23. So I'm I'm beating that by a wide margin. Uh you're gonna be definitely first. Yeah, so the first time I actually had them, I was visiting here, but this a couple weeks ago I got kidney stones again, man. And yikes. I was pissing blood instead of excellence, and that's when it uh went wrong. Yeah, but I'm okay. Yeah, you know, like when you when you have kidney stones, you can't describe the like it's pain is terrible, it's really bad. And so when people try and talk with you like on the elevator, like you were telling us, I was telling you the story. Yeah, it's just like you don't the girl tried talking to me on the elevator, it's like, look, you probably wouldn't be talking to me right now if you knew I was going through kidney stones and pissing out blood, but yes, it's okay, it's okay. So that's my life. How did you respond to her? Like I well, she was just chopping up, and I was just like, I'm in so much pain. I had I had my uh PF chains to go. I learned it could dude, I was hobbling through the lobby, and she starts. I mean, she was talking about the elevator and the problems with the elevator, how it closes too fast. I'm like, I don't have time for small talk right now. I'm in so much pain.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

She's like these goddamn doors that close so fast, and you can like sweat so you can just like throw you sleep. I'm about to pee on these doors.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Oh, dude.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

Like tell that would be about it. Yeah, man. There's really there's mahjong night. There's mahjong night Tuesday night, and then I went. Mahjong, dude. I'm just imagining walked out of the elevator.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

I'm cracking on imagination just in mid-mid kidney stone just like this lady. Was she attractive?

SPEAKER_03 8:57

I dude, I couldn't tell you, man. I was so focused on my kidney stones.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Dude, she was 95. He was staring at me.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

He doesn't know I got a minor detail. She was actually 95 and retired.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

She has her own pair of kidney stones on her desk.

SPEAKER_03 9:10

Exactly. Yeah. Been there.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Wow, dude. Dang. But reverting back to unemployed, he ain't. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

He said, go ahead. Well, I'm unemployed uh in in terms of what the corporate world. Yeah, the corporate world. But uh, I sell this is man, you're just setting me a thought.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

What are you talking about, dude? I'm trying to get your stuff out there.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

You're like, man, let's get you a date. Let's get you someone, let's set you up. And then you're like, uh, tell us about yourself. I'm unemployed. Oh, okay. Well, you're not actually unemployed. Well, what do you actually do? This isn't better. I sell sports cards. It's so much better, bro.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

It's so much listen to me, so much better. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

Yeah, I sell sports cards um on the side. So I started out in high school with my dad, did a little business, and then yeah, just been kind of doing it ever since. And it pays the bills right now, but it won't pay the bills permanently. So I have to, I have to get I have to get on with my life. I really do. I'm a mess.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Absolute mess.

SPEAKER_03 10:12

But another thing about me, I love the Lord. I feel like that was a pretty, pretty, that should have been something else I should have said. Yeah, way to go third place. The Lord. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Uh Wow, Keegan. Sorry. I hope I apologize. So all you hood rats lay off him. He likes the Lord, not you.

SPEAKER_03 10:33

Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Get out of here, Nikki Manat. Actually, Nikki's solid now, apparently, right? Yeah, shit up.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

Getting political.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

She's getting very baby.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

She's super political. She was on the graveyard.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

She's literally about as political as it gets now.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Oh, dang. Alright, never mind then. Go ahead, girl. No Nikki's. No Nikki's in the DMs. Alright, dude. So I want to know where you adapted your entrepreneurial mindset. Because I know your dad.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Was that a soft dishonest dad? Not at all. I know your dad. Not at all.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Not at all. I just wonder where you got your entrepreneurial mindset from.

SPEAKER_03 11:15

Oh, I I mean, yeah, it's probably like degeneracy. Uh like baseball cards when I was a kid. Yeah. I mean, baseball cards is like it's essentially like gambling disguised as a hobby. Like you're you're a kid opening up uh baseball cards and you're trying to get the next big hit. You know, I'd I'd always be get the next big hit. And so yeah, I think it started there. I was always looking for my next fix with uh eat that mic like this thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Oh, like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Oh, so I gotta put it that close. Yeah, it's uh I was just always looking for my next fix with baseball cards. So for entrepreneurial, do you need to fix something?

SPEAKER_00 11:55

I don't know. There's words such a budget, dude.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

And and speaking of that, here's our sponsor. Our sponsor today is who sells what kind of baseball cards are there? Uh tops, tops, tops baseball cards here today. Thank you, fellas, for that previous donation. Thank you for these$20 mics. Tops. Thanks, Tops. Do better.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

Yeah, so anyway, I um yeah, just sports cards. That's where it started, and that's where it's continued. And I mean, it got to the point where I wanted a box so bad, you know, I'd I'd try and sell my sister's shoes, used shoes at the end of the driveway. Um, I didn't sell anything, but it's like, man, that's that's the point it got to. So I was I was trying to get money. I was trying to get my money up from a young age.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

You're trying to get your bag up.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

I respect it. I'm teaching my kids right now to like start, we do garage sale stuff, and I'm like, they're like finding all kinds, like my my kid brought a a half a basketball goal home. It's like, dad, I think we get like 20 bucks for this, bro. I was like, you're gonna get any money, man. You bring in like a broken thing.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Yeah, so that's that was my childhood, that in lemonade stands.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

So lemonade stands. Hey. Mine was uh mine was a uh sl not slushy, um what's the other stand? The margaritas, 12 years old. No, a snow cone stand.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

That's a lot more fun. It is we got this reel up. This crap ain't working.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

This guy, dude.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Yeah, alright, alright. There we go. There we go. What are we looking at? We're gonna watch this. And then we're gonna talk about it. Okay? Okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Can't hear nothing. Still nothing.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

Literally, why does this always happen when we try to watch the thing on the city? You can just tell us what he's saying as he goes. You know what we're gonna do? We're just gonna watch it right here. With captions on it, okay. No, no, no, no. We're just gonna watch it right here.

unknown 14:02

People are probably gonna think you're cringe. People are probably gonna think you're a wannabe until it works, and then they can't tell you. A couple of months ago, was it a dude?

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Uh should preface. This is explicit. Profanity. Profanity. There is profanity here. So if you got little kiddos, just uh if you're listening in the car or anything, just it might be. Uh dude, you should read through some of my views.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

I feel like the disclaimer, like, probably should have happened at R. Kelly, not at profanity reels.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Oh, that's funny.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

We're not great at this. We're gonna get better. Listen, we're gonna scratch everything over the last time. Apologize.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Listen, if you're watching us, you're a degenerate anyway. So shut it. Just enjoy it.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

We'll talk about good. We're gonna watch this reel and then we're gonna talk about it, okay?

SPEAKER_05 14:48

Okay, go, go, go. We got it. One of the waiters stopped by my seat and said, Hey man, I don't want to bother you. I just want you to know I'm a big fan. I really appreciate what you do. It was very complimentary, and we had some dialogue for a few minutes. I thanked him for watching and for tuning in, and then I sat down. And immediately one of my friends said, That was crazy. He had never, my friends had never seen me get recognized. That was like the first time it had really happened and solidified to them that it was real, that people did watch my stuff. And he said to me something I'll never really forget. He said, I'll be honest, when you started, a few of us were like, What the f is smoke doing? Is he trying to be some wannabe influencer? That's what he said to me. Smoke is my last name. And I remember that, and not getting mad, but realizing in that moment a couple of things. Number one, you never know who's gonna be talking to you about you, just like you never know who's gonna be silently rooting for you. That goes both ways. But I was surprised to hear that some people in my circle, people that I knew well, were talking amongst themselves negatively about me and what I was trying to build. Uh, two lessons in there. The first one is that you never know who's talking to you. The second one is that people are gonna think you're cringe, people are gonna think you're a wannabe until it works. And you are not wrong to acknowledge that that is a reality, that people will talk to it. You are wrong to accept it and let it dictate your actual actions or decisions that you make in regards to pursuing a dream, which for me was helping people get physically fit. People are gonna talk shit, but at the end of the day, you will never be talked down upon by anybody doing better than you. So just go for it anyway. People will talk, people will root for you. The only thing that matters is that you stick true to your vision, you are consistent, and when it works, they can't tell you there you go.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

So I want to talk about that. Okay? I think you think that's stupid. No, I'm joking. Well, you own a business, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've started this thing. Okay, right. Keegan is entrepreneurial, you are in my perspective, um extremely successful dude already. You're you're planted, but you're you're grounded in the Lord, you are family man already. I mean, and you're you're getting after it, you're doing the things you want to do without um uh really anyone's approval. And that's that's that's pretty amazing. Because there's so many people out there that will not do the thing that they want to do because they're afraid of disapproval. So they're afraid their parents are gonna like like right. I mean, what are you doing? Why aren't you working a nine to five? Why aren't you doing why aren't you doing the the the thing that everyone else does? Why do you gotta be so different? You know? And I think so many people are afraid to do what they actually want to do because of fear of disapproval, you know?

SPEAKER_03 17:31

Yeah. Another word, fear of man, you know.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Yeah, fear of man. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

What does that guy do, by the way? The guy that was on the internet?

SPEAKER_00 17:39

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 17:40

He's talking himself up pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

I saw that root.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

Yeah, I got I got 220 people following me. Haters gonna hate, bro.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

He's feeling himself a little bit now.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

No, maybe he does. I'm just teasing. Can I can I say something that I actually found this on Instagram? I don't know who it was, so I can't give you credit. Um, but they they said this, and I think it's irrelevant to what you just said. They said, not everyone will like you. That's not a problem, it's a filter. And I'm like, oh, wait a second, that's actually really good. Not everybody's gonna like you, and if they don't like you, it's a filter. If they don't like it, great, move on. Yeah, so I I think uh I think that helps. I think that helps put things in perspective when you get haters, and and you're gonna get a bunch of them, especially for a podcast like ours, they're gonna talk about controversial stuff, gonna talk about dads, like men in general are getting hated on quite a bit these days. So um I think I think that's a good a good problem to have, and it's a good way to filter out the haters, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Yeah, so my question is Keegan, after watching that, um I'd love to hear your thoughts on on how you uh kind of break break through the wall of of people looking like have you had experience of people kind of looking down on you and and maybe not take you very seriously because um I mean yeah, like don't fit the nine to five mold and and and all of that.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Yeah, I think uh I think at times it can it can certainly feel that way, and like like I said, it just comes down to fear of man, and it's like it it's easier said than done to kind of brush off like people who may just have different opinions uh uh than you on on um how to go about life and work and and certain things that you wanna um like goals that you desire to achieve. And I think it's like okay, what am I rooted in? You know, it's like, yeah, I have these people saying that, but what am I rooted in? And it's like like I said, it's easier said than done to to brush off haters, but and the the reality is I think every one of us would hear like haters like in this role. It's like, okay, what do you do with it? And it's like, what are you rooted in? It's like, man, if you're rooted in people pleasing, then those are really gonna like affect you like a lot more. Um but if you're like rooted in if you're rooted in Jesus and the gospel and and the truth of the Bible, which is man, what I I I believe I'm rooted in, it's like navigating that becomes a lot easier because it's like, man, I'm hearing these lies, like this is what um man, the enemy is essentially like feeding me, you know, to to make me believe who I am or or what this is, and um the truth is like man, I'm a son of God who's who's loved by Jesus. And so it's just like kind of reaffirming that identity on myself. And it's not easy, you know. I I have times where I um give in to like that, and I feel like, man, you know, it's almost like I I get like discouraged in different things, whether it's sports cards, whether it's a business idea, whether it's a creative um idea, writing, all that. And so, yeah, man, I think it's just rooted in in your identity, you know. If you make what you do your identity, it's gonna be really hard, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Yeah, that's good. Oh, so good. Awesome, bro. Okay, first dad question, just moving right on. Perfect question. What's your preference? First dad question. This is actually about your dad. Yes. What's the funniest thing that you've ever witnessed your dad do?

SPEAKER_03 21:22

So my dad's a really he's a really funny guy, you know. My dad is uh a funny man. And uh man, I was thinking about just even just thinking about this now, it's like the thing that we find the funniest weeping my my siblings and eye is the physical comedy of my dad. And so like when we go skiing, um, and he turns around backwards and he's accidentally skiing down the mountain slope backwards, or like he's picking up an object that's way too heavy. Um and he and he throws out his back. He's like he's just out for the week, uh, or stepping his toe. It's like, man, that is like those are Things that I I I definitely remember.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

Um what's your dad's uh response when he stubs his toe?

SPEAKER_03 22:08

You know, just like the grumbling under his breath, trying not to say some swear words.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:15

But yeah, those are those are the main things. I mean, he's done a lot, but physical comedy with the I don't like physical comedy either. It's just like with my dad, it's dude, it's hilarious. It's different. It's hilarious, it's different when it's the one you love. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Yeah, like uh my wife does not love this, uh, but I think it's the funniest thing. Um, I I I I think jump scares are hilarious. I think jump scares are so funny.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Yeah, my wife would divorce me.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

And with my daughter, who's eight months old. Uh it's the funniest thing when I jump scare her. Oh, it's so funny. She doesn't cry. She doesn't, I mean, she like woke. She cracks up, right? But it's my favorite thing to do. It's just jump scare her. Um, I uh my favorite story about your dad uh is uh um the story that uh my father-in-law tells. My father-in-law and his dad, real close. Um I have a feeling I know what story my father-in-law saw him at Target once in the in some aisle, the candle aisle.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

Yeah, the candle aisle.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

He's like bending down on the floor and he's and he's just like sniffing this candle. And my father-in-law goes, What are you doing? And he's sporadically like, I'm not doing anything, nothing, nothing, nothing. Not doing nothing. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Yeah, Thomas, if I ever catch you sniffing candles at Target, you are getting flamed. Like as loud as possible in the store.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Call somebody bro, something wrong.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

I think he was doing it for my mom. I think if my mom needed a candle or something, yeah. Oh my gosh. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

That's funny. What's your uh favorite thing about your dad?

SPEAKER_03 24:09

My favorite thing about my dad. I think it is uh man, I think he's just super loving and and just super funny. And um Yeah, you I mean, I can have fun with my dad. Like I can go do something and just like have fun. And so I think um that's really it. Like I remember as kids he's really good at making memories uh with with my siblings and I. And so uh like I remember as kids we try and get like the nastiest things um in terms of food, and we combine them all, and then we'd be like, You gotta eat this, you gotta eat this. He goes, No, I'm not eating it, I'm not eating it. They're like, Come on, come on, and we'd finally eat it. And so, you know, those are just memories I I remember, and so I think, yeah, my dad is just like he's really good at making memories um with his children, and it's just it's it's really fun. That's why I love about them the most.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Yeah, that's great, bro.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

That's so good, dude. You um I don't know if you remember this, but you did that to me once.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

I did early on, early on.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Yeah, with Oreo. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Yeah, that was good.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Oh, it was awful. You guys were like, yeah, and what's crazy is I knew something was up because you and uh my sister-in-law were were just like so adamant about me eating this Oreo and I was like, I don't want Oreo right now. Oh eat Oreo right now. Yeah, that's my type of humor. If you know me, that's crazy. I don't know why I didn't want to eat that Oreo. But yeah, I I I love a good Oreo. Um I haven't had a or a pack. I haven't had I haven't had any uh I haven't had an Oreo in probably three hours.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

It's been what? It's been how long since I've had an Oreo? Like uh 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

You'll be over itching for an Oreo, dog.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

It's probably been like a year since I've eaten an Oreo. Shut up, dude. Not even joking, bro. Yeah, you are when yeah, no, I'm not. Before my daughter was born, I caught back on so much.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

That's one thing I can't eat Oreos, man.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Well, that's good thing, because I apparently they have bleach in them.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

So yeah, I get hyper off the walls. I start bouncing off the walls and I have Oreos.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Didn't stop me from eating that when I found it out.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Best taste of bleach I ever had, dog. Double stuff bleach.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Apparently, the aftertaste of Oreos, you're tasting chocolate and bleach. That's how they like I'll have to try that out later. Give me more. I'll have to have an Oreo later. RFK, stay off the Oreos, dog.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

I want to keep those, bro.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Um the keep those. Okay, what's one thing um that your dad did that you want to carry into parenthood when you become a dad? Man.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Other than sniffing candles.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Not stiffing candles in the target aisle. Um one thing my dad did that I want to do man, I think it just goes back to making memories. And so like my dad was always like eager to just go do things with us, and like it was never a burden for him to hang out with us. Um and so it's like Man, he we go on vacation, we'd we'd go run to sports card stores and uh just like do errands, and it was fun, and like anything with him could be memorable. And so I think like something that I really want to continue on is like being goofy like my dad was, like, um Yeah, and making and making those memories, and so eating the disgusting combinations of food, so my my future kids um will laugh at it. We're speaking all theoreticals right now with the with the kids for me, but but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

No, you'll have kids, man.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

There you go. Yeah. One day.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

One day, one day. Hey, if you want to have kids with Keegan, comment down one-800.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

We can make this happen, dog. We get you a blonde, a rinette, maybe a crazy redhead. Just saying.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Okay, I've got a really interesting question. Okay, um, so I uh I came up with this question after um after honestly a lot of uh recent hate on Instagram by so many like kids. Like honestly, when I when I I I I stopped and like I stopped caring, honestly, because I I kept looking at profiles. I don't know why I was doing that. I'm just gonna see some hate comment, and I'm like, who are you?

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Bro, I almost clapped at someone. Someone were so good. Here you gotta hold this cord.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

Man, just you just tell me if I'm doing something wrong. No, you're good.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Okay, it's us, honestly. It's not even you. It's not you, it's us.

SPEAKER_03 29:03

You tell me if I'm taking too long and my responses and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

You're taking so long.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

I need you to trim it up, dude. Okay, trim it up. I'm gonna even look at it.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

One word one word for your honor. One word for your own out of three tops.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Actually, try to come up with one word with this question. Okay, we'll see if I can do it. This question came out of uh um uh a lot of hate comments from like young young guys. Yeah, young young guys and young women. So, how do you think your generation views fatherhood differently from your parents' generation?

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Let me answer that. Yeah, it's almost I mean, you go first. No, no, no, no. You gotta you gotta what's one word? One word. Nope. Nope, nope. Just kidding. Just kidding, just kidding.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

I mean, I don't I don't know, I don't know. Maybe I think it all revolves around technology and social media, but I don't know if you want to say soft, like if that's a word. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Like they view It's from your own people, dog.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

I didn't say it. Fatherhood is soft. Yeah, or or they're too soft to be fathers, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

Well, I I I just feel like, you know, um I don't know. It's just like I'm trying to I'm trying to think about it. Thomas, you might have to come in and talk about this.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

I think a lot of people a younger, I'm gonna say younger, because I ain't gonna reveal my age, younger, uh a lot of them not having kids. So yeah, so it's like it's not uh important to them, right? Uh even though it should be. Uh it's not important to them because it's not important to them, they see stuff like dads and dads talking about dad problems, they'd be like, Y'all y'all are just being dumb until you become a dad. Right. Because I was that kid. Yeah. It's like, oh bro, what do you mean crying babies in a movie theater? No, get over it. You know what I mean? Or crying babies in a movie theater, oh my god, and the things that go wrong. And then you're a dad, you're like, you're gonna punch somebody if they say so much to cry baby in the movie theater.

SPEAKER_03 30:58

Oh, for sure. So yeah. That's a good I mean, that's a good point. I I I guess my probably my parents' generation probably saw it as something that you just do. It's like you become a father.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Obligation. Right.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

And like now, I just think it goes back to soft. Like, guys are just like, either they're just like don't want to do it, or they're just like, well, I I don't see this as something that's the next stage in my life, like just not necessarily looking to have a family, I would say. Maybe that's a that's a generalization, too, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

That's not a real sure, for sure, because there's there's so many people that are not, but there's so like if you look at if social media was real life, which it is not at all, but if you look on social media, you'll see a lot of young guys who are um making a a very cons concerned effort to to make it all about themselves. Like, oh, you should take care of you and you only, and you date 300 girls, and and you know what I mean? Like, oh we'll do all this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Yeah, exactly. We were just talking about that with with our last episode. It's the Tate mentality, man. Tate, yeah, but it's the it is.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

I I like uh I like the uh fear of better option or too many options thing, yeah, kind of kind of idea that that's being thrown around in terms of dating and becoming a father.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Yeah, so it's like well like now you have this pisses me off so too many options. Too many many options is not significant. What are you talking about? Not speaking of my family had one option. No, no. That was the last one.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

I'm not speaking from a pl plethora of options, you know. I'm saying, man, when you live in the uh uh a world of dating apps and social media, man, it it's hard to commit and it's hard to brighter level. Yeah, it's like, man, we were training young men uh to um just want short relationships and not um fatherhood, you know, and bro.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

I'm gonna show my age here, but I remember the day Tenner came out and I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

The day Tenner?

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Tinder.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Tinder. I was dude.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

I got on it for like five minutes. And I was like, what is this? Swipe left, don't like swipe right, so we delete it and download the grinding. No, no, I never got the dating app thing, man. I really didn't. I don't know. That's your wife the old fashioned way. And I'm not and I'm not clowning it either. I'm not down in it. Like um do you um my sister-in-law found a great guy through a dating app, you know? Right. Yeah, they're great. Uh he's great, and uh, everything's great.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

I think too, a lot of those people they they saw the transition. Now people are being born into the transition. Yeah, yeah. Like my my our kids, yeah, right? Not yours yet, probably yours too, will will only see a world with dating apps. Right. Which is insane. I'm old enough to remember when when when like I had an old PC that had a uh MySpace disk drive. You know what I'm talking about? MySpace, bro. Tom tossed up my friend, man. I had my first girlfriend on MySpace. Yeah, dude. And when you say girlfriend, it was probably a 55-year-old dude in his cosmos.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

No, like no, we actually met on MySpace and dated. I met her like in person. Met her in person. In person. There you go. In person, right. I mean met him in person. Dude, do you remember the the you probably don't even know about MySpace, do you?

SPEAKER_03 34:29

Man, I know Snippets.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

A couple things. You used to be able to have a profile song. When somebody visited your profile on MySpace, you had your own song. What was yours? Hardware was low by uh and you could choose the segment on where it would play, right? Well, yeah. And so you'd click my profile, and then immediately as soon as the profile came up, Shotig got low, low, low, low, low, low. And then, yeah, people, and then you could see the the uh stats on when people would message you through that song. Yeah, it's always first five seconds, dog. Bro, for five seconds. You remember you remember first five seconds, dog five seconds.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

You remember real impressive instant messaging on dial up internet?

SPEAKER_00 35:14

No, yeah. I missed I missed dial up, bro.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Yo, whoa, bro. Like you didn't have a level. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

I mean, no, I had to say I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

You missed dial up.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

I didn't miss dial up, but I had we had it. It's just like uh 35. I probably didn't I didn't um I wasn't on the internet at that time, right? But I remember I remember watching my parents freak out by how long it would take and all the things. Like um when I was uh you believe that it took 20 minutes this time, not you'd hear all the dude, it'd be it'd be seven o'clock. You want to know what my alarm clock was? 7 a.m. on the weekend, my mom getting on on on the computer and uh here go my ears.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

My ears are gone.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Yeah. That's that's my alarm clock, and I knew mom was getting on to check check her emails and getting on to play her little. She was addicted to when Facebook came out, she was addicted to Farmville. You remember Farmville, bro? Dude, every morning dial up Facebook Farmville.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

You know what I still play to this day? We're totally off subject. You know what I still play this today? Candy Crush.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

Minecraft?

SPEAKER_01 36:28

You play Minecraft? Sweeper. Yours. Ooh, Mine Sweeper. I got excited.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

Minecraft, bro. Yeah, dude, I've been I've been grinding Minecraft past years.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Minecraft loves Minecraft. Minecraft's been around since what 70s? What? What'd you just say?

SPEAKER_04 36:44

I did that to freaking sweep. Dude.

SPEAKER_03 36:47

He you up I was about to say to be like Minecraft came around when I was a kid. That was that was. Yes, I was.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

I was building blocks at 12 years old on Minecraft.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

Maybe real life, not on the computer.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

That was called Tetris.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

You're playing you're you're mistaking that for Tetris, that's right. Maybe so. Jenga. Jenga.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Jenga. Oh that's good. Dude, when you bought a computer uh like in the early 2000s, it would always come with like three stock games. Pinball, you remember pinball playing pinball and computer solitaire and checkers.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Spider solitaire. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes chess and minesweeper. Yeah. Minesweeper's before all of them, bro.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

I didn't I don't know what Minesweeper is, to be honest. I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

If you don't know my hey, look like I want you to comment right now if you know what Minesweeper is. You played Minesweeper on dial up internet, actually didn't even need internet, just on the computer. Leave a message for these freaking youngins, dude.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

Minesweeper.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Oh my god, he's looking it up, dude. He's looking it up.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Nah, I stopped doing it. I gave up.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

He gave up one second in.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

Yeah. If it doesn't come up within the within the like the um type something on there. And I'm out. Yeah, yeah. I'm out. Come along. Alright. Alright. Keegan, what do you think is the biggest challenge that young men are facing before marriage?

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Finding a wife. No. Not actually. Not actually. Well, that's one of them. Too many options. You got too many options. I think uh no, I I legitimately think it's purity. I think purity is the hardest like battle that guys have to face. Yeah, before they like get married.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Because I mean your your age group, it's it's honestly all about count, which is crazy to me. Count. That's what I mean. From what I understand.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Speaking in code.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

Man, yeah, it's like really, really sad, obviously. Um and so as a as someone who is pursuing purity, but your entire culture is all about body count and all of that stuff, it's like, how do you how do you say I couldn't imagine as a teenager or a young adult like trying to uh pursue purity 15 years ago if I was living in like society right now. I just don't I just don't know how like I I give a lot of credit to you for Yeah, I mean I I everything's instant like you can get any anything instantly now.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

Like, and that's with I mean No lie, bro. Like dopamine, just you can get a dopamine hit instantly if you want it. And so it's like door that's a real tool of the enemy, is uh like pornography, like instantly. Like anybody can access that. And that's like that's dangerous, man. That is a weapon against our minds. Yeah, and like that just doesn't go away um when you're gonna get married. Like it is minds and your livelihood, it's really just like how are you wiring your brain? You're wiring your brain, and so yeah, purity is the one of the hardest battles to fight um before marriage. Um because man, if you Yeah, I mean, I was just reading John 8 um the other night, and Jesus was saying those who practice sin are slaves to sin. Like that's essentially what he was saying. And it's like, man, that's that's really true. Um, I mean, that's true with all sin, but I mean you really see it with purity with guys my age. Um yeah, I would I would say I would say just those those instant dopamine hits and the purity is just it's brutal, man.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

And there are ways to combat it. There are ways to combat it, you know, and there's ways to work on it and break that addiction. Yeah. You know, you're not just stuck in it.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

It is crazy, man. I mean, I didn't have so when the first iPhone came out, I don't know, dude, you had to pay for internet on top of your bill, right? Like on top of your everything, like my all my cell phones, I had to pay for internet and everything. And I couldn't do that until I got a job and all that. But even then, I I never um obviously I struggled with porn, but it was never through my phone. Which it's crazy to me that now is now that's the thing. It's it's just instant like that. Like I was in the days of magazines, broke. Right. You gotta buy it, bro. Keep your magazines under the right.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

You got some drive to go see Alfredo at the checkout counter who knows your parents. Like this, man, I'm getting this for my dad. And so there's a lot of there was a lot of choices to make up to that point, but now it's just like a hookup.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

My hookup's name was AJ. AJ.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

The fact you had a hookup for porn.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

That's crazy. It's crazy, it's crazy. That's where I got my my dealer. Okay. It wasn't only like mags. He would sell beer, he'd sell cigarettes and all that. And uh, he also sold all kinds of stuff in his little like convenience store. You could get skateboards at this place, crazy. You get like blank decks, um, um, like yeah. Uh and then eight ball of cocaine.

SPEAKER_03 42:23

Oh, but that's the thing, is like we're also living in a we're living in a culture you know that raises uh like young men to like believe like that is what a man is and that is what like being a man is is is going and kind of like conquering like women and sex life. And like that is what our culture really does teach, and it's super dangerous because man, that's where we were talking about earlier, it's like less and less like desire in a wider population to become fathers. It's like, man, it is weaponized now.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

I got a question for you on that note. Do you feel like because I can kind of see this? Do you feel like there's a pendulum swing from like this hypersensitivity of of a man being so into himself and like oh like I gotta I gotta I gotta protect myself against women haters and culture and everything else to this I gotta be this macho tough guy who conquers women sexually all the time. Like, do you do you feel like we're in a pendulum swing right now, or do you feel like we're a new norm?

SPEAKER_03 43:33

I think it's it's it's interesting to see because like growing up, like all the movements was like they they really hated on masculinity as a whole. Like Me Too movement, yeah. Yeah, there were a lot of movies.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Yeah, but not all of it. You did grow up in that.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

Yeah, I grew up with all that to where it's like, man, like they're almost like telling you to be ashamed to be a man, you know? Yeah, yeah. And and now it's like man, I think. I think guys now aren't afraid to go back to the traditional role of what it means to be a man. And I see I think you see that really prevalent prevalently in um the church, for example. Like I think the church there's a there's a large movement of young individuals, young men. Um I I it was like a year ago when I last saw this, so I don't know if the numbers are still the same. But like in terms of young men to young women, um like young men are like the the rates of young men going to church um have like outpaced the the rates of young women. And so it's like this is a huge yeah, and so it's it's turning around. It's like guys want to be fathers, guys hate what this world is feeding us, and they want to know the truth of what it what it means to be a dad and what it means to be a father and a man. And so I think yeah, that's that's really where I see the pendulum kind of swinging is back towards those traditional conservative roles of what a father truly truly looks like, family roles, you know.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

And that might be like the the the positive side of that pendulum. On the negative side, do you do you see the extreme because I'm like I'm seeing these dudes, we keep picking on Andrew Tate, but it's certainly not just him, but there's a lot of yeah, there's a lot of them on the strap that are very similar to Tate, right? Yeah, but this mindset of like I gotta be a con I gotta go in and and looks maxing. Yeah, what do you think's saying? What the clavicular did he just OD on something?

SPEAKER_03 45:31

I I don't know. I I remember see I I'm I've been off reels for a couple weeks now. Nice, so yeah, no big deal. Uh but yeah, clavicular. Like he's one of the he's one of the looks maxing guys, you know.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

It's like what are you doing, bro? Yeah. Have you heard of this dude?

SPEAKER_03 45:46

They're just bad role models. No, he's streamers.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

I've heard all of the maxing stuff.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

Like uh this this could be not true, but I I could have sworn he said he wasn't doing crystal meth to like streaming.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Yeah, he does certain things and like peptides to slump his face stuff.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Yeah, like he had basic surgery to get like slimmed up. It's like, dude, what are you why are you trying to do that?

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Well, I think their ship will do it for sure.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

I think the hard thing is you got these streaming platforms that just create really bad mentors and role models. And so like and every single kid has has access to a device now, and so they're just seeing these bad role models, yeah. Um, and they think it's cool, and so that's how they raised, like get raised, essentially, like in that mindset.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Insane. No, thank you. My kids will no longer have any devices ever, bro. That they're gonna be deviceless. I'm gonna go on a farm and get some chickens. Right. We're gonna go old school, bro.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

That's why discipling your children is so important.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Yeah, that's so true. What does that mean to you, discipling your children?

SPEAKER_03 46:48

It means raise them up in the word, um, to know Jesus, um, to know his word. You know, ultimately it'll be their decision to follow Jesus. But man, to disciple somebody means to, yeah, like walk in the light, like myself, but also like teach them what it looks to walk in the light and read the Bible and know, yeah, know who Jesus is. And so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

What if you had a kid right now, let's say he's four years old, like four years old is like they're just now learning to like starting to understand. Starting to understand trying to figure four to five, right? What is one thing you would implement as a father to reinstill that value of being a disciple?

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Man, I think it would be like reading, I mean, reading scripture, first of all, it's like I mean, we're called to have like childlike faith. And so, like to think that children have no capability of grasping the gospel, it's like that's wrong. Like, children can grasp the gospel.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Um, it's also plenty deep for like the oldest of a man, like oldest of men to also find new things in the gospel. It's like so reading scripture and like memorizing scripture, but also like I don't I don't know the right word, just like letting my child know who they are in Christ, like reaffirming their identity and speaking truth over them is really important because that's where I've seen like, man, when even as an adult, when I don't get truth speak like spoken over me, it's like man, I feel like I feel lost at times. And so it's like, man, to a four and five-year-old, starting those those spiritual disciplines early um can really be beneficial.

SPEAKER_01 48:32

That's good, bro.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

It's real good. Yeah, that's great. Wow. Um, do you think um becoming a dad um changes a man or identifies who he already is?

SPEAKER_03 48:52

I don't know. Uh I think it's probably a mix of both. I think I think both cases are probably true. I'll have to see when uh when I become a father. But yeah, I think it I think fatherhood is another open invite from the Lord to kind of discover like a relationship and and explore a relationship with Jesus. It's like that's something I'm really excited about becoming a father is seeing it uh like the gospel through a new perspective. Yeah. Um it's like man having a kid like get ready, get ready, kid. Like you now understand the pain that it must have brought the father to send his son down to be treated terribly and then to die on the cross. It's like, man, that had to be excruciating for God the Father. And it's like that's something I like look forward to that perspective, like, man, that's humbling, man. That like encourages me, that spurs me on in the faith. And and so I think like becoming a father is Jesus knocking on the door, and it's like ultimately it's up to you to open the door and let him come dine with you or not. Um, and if you don't, man, that's where it reveals who you are, like um in immaturities or um yeah, just what you feel to be the most important things in your life. Um if you're self-serving, you know, it's like yeah, I feel like it could be change you, or it could reveal who you truly are, you know.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

Wow, yeah, it truly does, my man. Um I I didn't know who I was before I was a dad. I thought I did. And I and this is this is for me. I'm not saying speaking this over anyone, but I thought I knew who I was, right? But Bubba. I did not. Yeah. And I still don't. Every time I have a new kid, I'm like, I got four. Every time I have a kid, I'm like, oh, I still don't know.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

Right.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

Here we go again.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 50:52

Yeah, dude, that scares me too. Like I have a feeling like you just don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

No, dude, it's it's like it's like a finding a revelation in the Bible. It's like, oh, this new thing that just happened. That's what it feels like. Yeah. Oh, that I didn't get it, but now I get it now.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 51:07

You know what, uh Thomas, you'll probably understand this. There's a thought that crept in the other day that uh like literally just brought me to tears. Uh, and it's uh I was I was editing our last show and uh you got into that segment of of uh letting everyone know you get 18 summers. And um I started thinking about how I'm I'm uh like literally raising her to let her go one day. Yeah like you're teaching you're teaching your kids how to live without you. Yeah and that that uh punches you in the gut. Yeah, those are thoughts that you would never even think about. Like I mean, like I've never thought about that with my parents. Like, you know, like as a kid, you don't think that I mean yeah, just like you don't understand all their fears. My mom was the most fearful woman I've ever met in my life, dude. Granted, I was insane. I mean, I'm bass jumping, I'm doing all kinds of stuff as a teenager, uh young adult, all that, like drifting cars and racing cars and getting in and all kinds of yeah. Um and like now I get it. Yeah, I get the fear, I get the yeah, it's it's just crazy. Yeah. Um Keegan, how would you defined or how would you define being a good man to your son or your daughter?

SPEAKER_03 52:54

Yeah, that's a that's a really tough question.

SPEAKER_00 52:57

Um in in Maybe not being a good man, just like uh well in in my perspective, I I think being a man and a good man are simultaneous. Yeah. Um I I think if you're not a good man, you probably haven't experienced manhood yet.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

But um I think the better way to a answer that question is in three points. So one point being blah blah blah, the second point being blah blah blah. And three points, how would you do that?

SPEAKER_03 53:26

So how would I be a good father, essentially, is what you're asking to your to your children. How would oh how would you describe what being a good man looks like to your children? I get you, I get you.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

You did a little already, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:39

Man, I think a lot of it comes from serving others, and so it's like, man, that's something I have to work on even more in my life. Like, that's something I seek to improve on in my life. It's like, man, how does how does a man, when you look at him, how does he does he serve others, does he love others? Um and yeah, for me, it's like, does he follow Jesus? It's like those are the the the three things, and it's like serving, loving, and being active, like in church, and so like with those come the fruit of the spirit, and that comes like like with following Jesus comes the fruit of the spirit, those are all fruits um from a relationship with Christ. Um and so it's like man, I think I don't know, I don't know. I I feel like I don't know if that really made sense. Did that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 54:26

No, I think that's really good. Yeah, um, I think it's I think it's important to say too that if you're not going to church right now, or if you're not we don't know who the Lord is right now, we're not saying you're you're not a fulfilling that obligation to be a good person. Right. You're just not fulfilling the obligation to be the best. And we really believe, and I think Keegan, me and Dustin can all agree, um God has something for you that's real, it's tangible, it's great, and if you really hold on to it, uh you can get it.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

So um I'm gonna add to that. I think um serving your wife. Yes. Um I think serving your wife is what's really gonna teach your kids what a good man looks like or a good father looks like. Because if you're not sir if you're not serving your own household, if you're not serving what you're leading, yeah, I mean how are they gonna learn right anything? And also if you're if you're watching or listening this right now, if you have a daughter, I mean son or daughter, but mostly daughter, because I'm a girl dead right now. But my my my biggest thing that I'm working on right now is serving my wife because I do not want my daughter to end up with someone who would take advantage of her in any way. Obviously, men are men, men are men, men struggle, and I know that day's coming, and I'll kill 'em. But that meant I'll freaking kill him. But um I she will not even adapt, not even take a look at someone like that if she's watched her dad serve her mother her entire life. Um that's so good. That's that's something that I that I that I really care about now. Um that I didn't care about before. Uh I I I did what I knew. Um but uh like that's kind of all I could do until having my daughter. Yeah. Once I had my daughter, it's like something just clicked in me that's like, holy crap.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

Like I don't care what I was taught, I don't care what I wasn't taught, I don't care what I never learned. I'm gonna teach myself how to serve my wife the best that I possibly can so that she one day will find the man that will serve her. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 56:56

Yes, as Christ serves the church.

SPEAKER_00 56:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um, all right, Keegan, if there is one thing, we're gonna wrap it up. This is my last question for you. Yes. If there is one thing that you would want your future kids to hear on this episode, because it listened in there forever.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

That our Kelly Comet's gonna be in there forever.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

Yeah, what would that be? Man, if I had one thing, man, I I just think for me everything comes through a spiritual lens and and a like an eternal perspective. And so yeah, I I think like the thing that I just want to tell them like who they are. It's like, man, they are made in the image of God, they are loved, um, they're beautiful, they are handsome. Um and it's just like, yeah, I'm just it's an honor to be a father, and so I think that's what I'd probably say. It's just like um I don't know if there's a right thing to say, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Um they're imaginary, dog, and say whatever you want. Right. Be next to your sister. That's what I'll say.

SPEAKER_03 58:14

Stop yelling at each other. No, I don't know. I I'd say, yeah, I'd say it's like yelled at your mom today, and I'm yeah, stop yelling at your mom, pretty much. No, I don't know. I mean, I that's that's pretty much what I would uh I'd say, man. I just yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting once I'm a father, man.

SPEAKER_01 58:31

You're gonna be a great dad, doing so good, man. Um, future dad, right here, Mr. Keegan.

SPEAKER_00 58:37

Yeah, thanks. Future dad. Keegan, thank you so much for coming on. We're gonna have you on again for sure because I asked maybe seven questions of my 30 that I had in my okay, dude. We're gonna have you on again. Um, y'all, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for listening. Keegan, thanks for being here today, bro. So being here, it was so good. Love that sweatshirt in your hat. Thanks for tuning in to the Dad Co podcast. Greatest podcast in the world.

SPEAKER_04 59:09

Woo