Episode 012: The Only Way Forward Is Letting The Kids Play

The Mets are hurt, cold at the plate, and flirting with a season that feels over way too early. We sit with that pain honestly, then ask the only question that matters for real fans: what keeps you showing up when the standings stop loving you back? Along the way we talk through the injury pileup, why “there’s always next year” starts sounding less like a joke, and why the best argument for the 2025 Mets might be the kids who need everyday reps. 

A few things actually spark: we revisit Jacob deGrom and the weird heartbreak of watching greatness leave town, then we lock onto AJ Ewing’s debut and why it grabbed us so hard. Three walks, a triple, a stolen base, and RBIs is the kind of baseball stat line that feels like folklore, and it opens up a bigger conversation about patience, approach, and who can become the firecracker this roster desperately needs. We also push back on the constant trade rumors and clubhouse drama narratives, especially around stars like Juan Soto, because noise doesn’t fix run production. 

Then we zoom out to the bigger joy of baseball itself: why the sport isn’t boring, why announcers become part of the family, and why you can love the game even when the Mets are losing. We detour through Dodgers and Angels fandom, cheap ticket nostalgia, baseball movies like Bull Durham and Angels in the Outfield, and we end in full film-nerd mode with Keanu Reeves and the eternal Roadhouse debate. If you’ve ever hate-watched your team and still felt grateful for the game, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share with a fellow Mets fan, and leave a review with the one thing you still believe can turn this season around.

Transcript

How Bad Are The Mets

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Welcome once again, everybody, to Sad Boys Mets Club. I am Giovanni Blanco.

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I'm Franklin Blanco.

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That's right. Welcome once again, y'all. This is uh where we talk about the Mets sadly and uh and other things. Uh Franklin and I. It's been a rough week. An interesting week. Um, if you're a Mets fan, you know you've either locked yourself in a cage, in a in a cave somewhere, and turned off all your uh your phone and your internet and uh ignored all the news coming your way. Um, but you might have been paying attention to the things that are happening and the craziness. I mean, I guess we should just talk about how bad is our team right now.

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We're bad enough that I'm not even joking when I say there's always next year. At this point, it's like there's a point where like the 2025 Rockies had to consider maybe there's no world we make it to the postseason. I think that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_02 1:17

Yeah, and it feels rough. I feel like uh when I saw that post, that meme that was just like on track for a hundred losses, I was just like, that that can't be true. That can't be true. I mean, we can't be the worst or one of the worst teams in baseball with this roster and this this.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

I mean, what roster?

SPEAKER_02 1:48

It's like it's like a it's like a David Copperfield, David Blaine roster that keeps disappearing uh or keeps hurting itself. Yeah, I mean we as we were walking up to set this episode up, we tell that Alvarez was out.

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Another one.

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Another one. Another one. Uh so that's Alvarez, Lindor, um Robert, Robert Robert, Polanco.

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Um luckily that's all right now.

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Another pitcher out too?

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Yeah, but I think he's been out. I think AJ Minter might be the one. Yeah, it's like so, but of the people who are supposed to be on our team.

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The people that we uh, like half the people that we paid a lot of money for in the offseason, and supposedly an all-stars like Glendorr.

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Not to mention we barely got Soda back. Like, it's been like a week.

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Yeah, and uh he's been okay at best. Um, do we see anything? Do we see, do we is there any hope, is there any sort of faith, is there any sort of uh uh possibility in a miracle with this team?

SPEAKER_03 3:03

Not for this year. I mean, I I can't write it out because there was like 2024. Like we've we've we've been bad and made it back, but realistically, right now, the bright spot is that uh we have a really good young core now because like Nolan McLean is like 24 or something. Carson Benjamin's like 22. And it's like 21. It's like that we have really young guys. I mean Alvare is only like 24, too. It's uh we have really promising young guys for the future. Um next year. And we might get like a draft pick because uh McLean might win uh a rookie of the year or a side on even. I don't know what's happening. But it could happen.

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It could happen. It could be the only person winning games on this team, even though that's not been happening because it seems like every time he pitches Jacob de Gramm.

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Jacob de Grom.

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There's there's no backup.

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Jacob de Gram!

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Yeah, ghosts haunt us and demons persist.

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Speaking of which, Jacob de Grom, uh, I believe he got it might have been like his 1900th career strike. He had a really good game, uh, his last favorite, which is good for me. I love Jacob de Gram. He's on my fantasy team. But uh he's like we should get him back. He's been great. Uh and I think he's like, I think he's cemented his case as like a Hall of Famer, which is really good.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

I I We always loved him. I always loved him. I mean, I I feel bad that we traded him. I can't that's another thing I don't understand is that you know, even at his worst, he was he was like a fourth or fifth pitcher. That's like I think.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

I mean, actually, I think that's not even what it is. I think it's that there was no worst for him because it was either he was insanely good or injured. Yeah, I think that's where where it ends up being like he was injured for like two years and just like we didn't want to wait it out and he hasn't been pitchered since he's been away, yeah. Yeah, the Rangers laid it out and now they have like a top 20, top 15 pitcher just because they waited. Um but I love him, I think he's great. At least he's winning games.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Yeah. Do you remember what that feels like? Um we came off a 10-2 win yesterday with the Tigers, which is possibly um a double-edged sword because it's not really it's exciting because we, you know, the several things happened. It was a win for one thing. Let's let's count that.

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Freddie Peralta pitched really well.

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Freddie Peralta pitched well, which is something that we've been wanting to see.

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He had like seven innings.

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Yeah.

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He was like out

Injuries Pile Up Fast

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there.

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And then we had uh the debut of AJ.

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AJ Ewing. That's that's uh a bright light. It was and I I looked it up because there was like the headline, it's like it's uh it's a whole new thing. There hasn't been a single player with a debut. This is one of those really specific baseball stats. There hasn't been a player in MLB with a debut game since at least 1900, because that's like the stat counting really only started in 1900, but probably even before that, with uh three walks, a triple, a stolen base, and multiple RBIs, which is specific, but it is also like the first time it's happened.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

No, I mean he had a stellar game. I mean, uh it's just to me, it's like, you know, I think that the hit is something like, you know, you got a triple, which is pretty cool.

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And he only got the triple because of his speed, which is so fun to see.

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That to me, that's so the two factors that I'm seeing the most is the whole thing with the walks. That's the most impressive thing for me. Somebody who's just like hot into MLB first game, debut, nerves, craziness, excitement, you know, nausea, uh, all the feelings. And this guy has the patience of of an elephant, of an like, you know, just like basically he's just standing there, throw me the pitches. I'm not gonna hit until I see what I want.

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And he's got what Benge was lacking in his first 30 plate appearances.

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And and and God bless Benj because I feel like Benj is like is is like is uh heating up. I feel like Benge is getting better.

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That's the other thing. People say that he's really hard to like he's really unfazed uh a lot of time, which is like is only really now starting to come in play. Uh and I think that's why AJU is so cool that it's like he's here and already. I'm a little worried because uh only go down from here. I there were because there's two there's two comparisons I can make to other Mets players. One of them is Carson Bench, who had a great first game. True, true, true, true, and then had a very rough streak. And the other one is I don't remember what the exact stat line is, but in terms of like Mets player debuts, there hasn't been a debut like that since casual Matsui, which is a really rough comparison to be made. Um because he was he was so good for like a little tiny bit. Um I think that's I think we just can't get players from Japan. I'm starting to think that, because that's kind of the Mets. Okay. Because that's like the same story.

SPEAKER_02 9:03

You can almost say the same thing, we just can't get players, period. I mean But we we don't want to perpetuate. This is what we want to do. We wanna we want to make sure that what we're saying here is is is uh we're stating the facts, but we're also kind of like being uh uh open and and uh wanting to see better things, you know. It can it can only get better. It really can't get worse, and I'm not putting that out there either. I want I want it to be better, and I think it can be better because I feel like uh there's something about also that to be said with a feeling like where, well, if the World Series isn't the end game, what are we doing? You know, and there's two modes to that. We can go buck wild and just mess around and try everything and and throw everything at this game because why the hell not? Or they just a team just slumps all together. Like, you know, they just end up being like keep being rotten.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

I mean, honestly, considering that like the World Series is kind of out of the picture by now, I like where we're going to where it's like bring up the rookies, like bring up the rookies. If we can afford to just lose all our games, let them get the playing time. Yeah, why why not? Oh, I completely forgot. Mauricio, also on the IL. We were talking about injured guys. We completely Mauricio. Um, that's a guy who would be great getting everyday

DeGrom Ghosts And One Big Win

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playing time.

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Yeah. What's the what's the deal with Mauricio? Do you know? Is it the same thing as Lindor?

SPEAKER_03 10:50

No. Lindor, Lindor was the same as Soto, but his is worse. And then Mauricio, I think, just like broke his finger when he slid into first base. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Um he'll be back in two weeks.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Yeah, I hope so. That's like that's that's one of those that I'm waiting on. Well, one of the great things that I've I cause I haven't been super invested in baseball. This is like my this is like my second year being super invested in baseball, yeah. Which is like uh like I've I've been a light follower barely, but now I'm like super invested, and uh there always there'd always been like a thing at the back of my mind to like does it just not get worth watching baseball if your team is so terrible that you know they're not going anywhere? And so I'm kind of really happy because this whole situation has been able to prove to me, like, you know, it's fine. Like I still I still want to watch the game every time.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

No, absolutely. I mean it's like when we went to go see that game to the the Angels and uh was it Angels and the A's?

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It was Angels and Blue Jays.

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And the Blue Jays.

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The Blue Jays are doing better. They've also well they're like the only team comparing to how bad the Mets are. Um but the Angels, and they might trade Trout, which is actually terrible because it's looking like if Trout got traded, he would get traded to the Phillies. Um Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. Um I don't know. Maybe Trout might be. I think he's gonna stay.

SPEAKER_02 12:27

Because like I And he's got a couple years left.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

I mean it's like why does he you know he he probably I think this is the this is the this is like the is his contract up? No, it's it's literally just like this is the storyline. I think every year that he gets off to a good start because he's such a risky player that like every single time the Angels friends are like, we could sell. Yeah, yeah. But uh the Angels have never lost a hundred games. They're the only team, which is kinda crazy. And that's one of the reasons that I love them so much.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

They've only ever This has been a great discovery. I mean, we live in Los Angeles area in the LA area, and uh the LA Angels of Anaheim, which is what they're really Actually, we we can't compliment the Angels today.

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I'm mad at them. Oh no, wait, wait, why? Jorge Soler.

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What happened?

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Nothing bad. I'm just like, he's on my fantasy team. I'm in fantasy baseball mode. He had four played appearances today and struck out three times and did nothing else. And he's my only player to have played so far today, so I'm sitting at like negative points. Yeah, well. I love him though. I still love him.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

I'll check McCalci. Uh no, I mean to me it's it's it's uh that's kind of crazy. Isn't he like also another person that's kind of like up for maybe a trade?

SPEAKER_03 13:56

He's another guy where it's like he's just he's just a guy, and if he's playing really good.

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Yeah. Yeah, I was just gonna say that basically it's it's nice to have that option. You know, we we're close to the Dodgers stadium uh situation, but uh the I I I love I love watching the Dodgers play. I hate it. I I'm not you know, it's not even like it's uh it's such a weird thing. The the conundrum is is that you know, growing up back east, where I became a Mets fan because the Yankees were dominating in the 70s, and it was hard for us to get tickets to go see the Yankees. But it was completely easy to go see Met the Mets because they were given those tickets away, literally, to you know I mean they still are they will be soon. I mean, yeah, I'm sure you can go to a stub hub and get yourself a five dollar ticket right now. Uh but back then it was just easier, you know, that they were giving them away at Carvel ice cream stores and things like that. And we would go, so we became those fans. And I've always had, and I and I grew to hate the the Yankees, you know. Um and and and it's it's not fair because there were so many players on the Yankees

AJ Ewing Brings Real Life

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in the era that I loved, like I truly loved, like Thurman Munson and uh no Thurman Munson was just like like a like a tank, man. He was like a tank. If you saw him, if you saw him, you would be like, oh, I like this guy. He just had like a crazy like handlebar mustache, and it was just a on the Yankees? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Um but he was like a you know, he was a catcher. Um, of course.

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That's so I do like him.

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Yeah, I only like catching up. He was he was he was just he was a rough, rough dude, man. But there was Greg Nettles, Bucky Dent, uh Willie Randolph, uh Dave Winfield, of course, Reggie Jackson. And that was his like prime time in the late 70s. So I prefer A's Reggie Jackson. Me personally. I do too. I do too. I mean, I just I love I love those years too as well. But uh, but that that that was such a you know, and the pitching staff don't even talk about the, you know. But then on the other side, you had like the Mets, who was just like the it was like a circus, you know.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

Well they were only like in the 70s they were only like 10 years old, so I mean, yeah, but at this time, I mean that by this point they were like uh like 15 15 years old. Actually, and they were already one World Series in.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Yeah, and and close to uh a second. But um, right, because it won is is it 69?

SPEAKER_03 16:50

It's yeah, 69 and 86.

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And then but then 71 or 72, they were like they got there to the end. But uh um the whole point of this is that I'm saying there's also something about the Dodgers because I feel like the Dodgers came from Brooklyn. I was born in Brooklyn.

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Brooklyn.

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Yeah, and and uh they don't. They don't, and like the Mets kind of took their place.

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Oh, fully, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 17:14

So there's like a weird kind of synergy there between the Mets and the Dodgers, and the Dodgers have always been also a Dominican heavy team. So over the years, I've always kind of been attracted to that. And then the other part, well, I'm I want to finish this whole thing, the other part is that in the 70s and 80s, there was no bigger rivalry between than the Dodgers and the Yankees. So to me, it just fed into the thing that I always loved the Dodgers. But then also at the same time, um the Angels always had cool players in the 70s. And one of my favorite players was Rod Carew, um, with was with the Angels forever.

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And they had uh Vladimir Guerrero much later.

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Much later, but I still had him. But uh yeah, again, he was another great player that I loved. And then and then but it wasn't until that era, until that the Vlad era, that I felt, I realized that I understood that the Angels were in the same shadow that the Mets were in New Yorker to the Yankees and the Angels to the Dodgers. So then that was like I grew to to love the Angels in a different way. And then moving here, um, you know, moving here it was always been a thing where it's always been easy and great to go see Dodger games. And and I told you that for a a time I lived on Scott in Echo Park, and I could walk to the stadium, and I saw like 30 games that year. And they that's when they still had six dollar bleacher seats. Oh, not bleachers, sorry, six dollar like super nose bleach seats at the very top. Um that's and the dogs were still six bucks.

SPEAKER_03 18:59

And they still were tasted good.

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And they're still made of like actually some like basic processed meat, not not the mush that they have today. But that's basically that's that's the gist of everything. I just wanted to say that because um, you know, you were saying about if your team is still, if you know your team is not a contender, is there still joy in watching the game? And that's the joy of like having, you know, these two teams near us, is that you know, we can go whatever, it's an hour and a half or whatever the drive is to go see the angels, but then it's like we can get tickets for six bucks or eight bucks and and you know, catch a great game because they're still like a fighting team, and they've you know, you can just see whoever you want to see playing with them.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

It's cheaper to see the angels play than to get a gallon of gas.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Good point, good point, good point.

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We need to make plans to see the angels.

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I'm still so mad we didn't go. Uh White Sox games. Because that's a that's a fun team.

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I love you, Murakami.

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Murakami Murakami. The Southside Samurai. That's my new favorite uh baseball nickname.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

The South Side Samurai?

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Southside Samurai. It doesn't get better than that.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

It doesn't, it doesn't. Hopefully, nobody thinks it's offensive.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

No, they like um the first thing they were like is like, well, they think it's offensive. I was like, no. Because first of all, that's Japan's team, it's called they're like the samurai. It's like, but also it's like that's such a cool name. No, I know.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Yeah, yeah, you know, you don't want to be in an alleyway with the Southside samurai. So if we had to go back to the Mets now, uh, because this is that boys Mets Club, I'd also like to mention now to our many viewers and listeners that Frankie and I

Why We Watch Anyway

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are designing some cool fashion for our podcast. And uh we gotta get on that. We gotta pick a logo. Uh but uh we just want to say that it's going to be uh fashionable, uplifting, because we'll need it. It'll be cool and crisp and and I don't know, just uh inspiring. You know, like if you have to lose, you lose in style. Lose with sad boys Mets glove gear. I just did our first ad. There you go. Cut that and paste it. AI

SPEAKER_00 22:00

For like 100 years old. So, what do you want to talk about now?

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Well, there's something we could do a quick cutback. Uh we were having a conversation. This is kind of going back to when we were talking about Jacob deGrom. It's in this area. Uh, we were having a conversation like a couple months ago, and we were like, Yeah, I just like what happened to Thor?

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Yeah, what happened to Thor? What happened to Thor?

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Because he's he's uh back in the news a little bit.

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Hopefully for baseball.

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Kind of.

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Uh uh.

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Well, he's like, it's if if you can imagine, he's gone super mega. Super and he was he's uh he gave the Mets some advice. Uh then maybe they'll start winning if they stop hanging out with socialist mayors. Wow. I just I like there there are certain players that I'm happy we don't have. I know it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

What's I let let's touch on this. This m- I mean we you know, we get political if we need to. Cause uh, you know, in in theory, I guess we're the mandami mets now.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

I'll take that.

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I'll take that too, man.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

I just uh He's the only mayor who's done anything like at all. He's actually putting in like taxes and punishments for landlords.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's already reduced the debt in uh in New York.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Um I might be able to live there one day. One day become a war enough.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

You should go work for him, see what happens. Um yeah, look, here's the thing. Um, we're not here to admonish anybody's uh political leanings, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:50

We are.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Oh, you are. I'm I'm not, I'm not. Because to me, it's like it's really more about like um I believe that you can do what you want, you can vote for who you want, you can love who you want, right? But your actions and where you direct your words are clear indictments or clear, like uh it's clear proof of where your intentions lie. You know what I mean? Because it's like you can believe one thing, but if you choose that belief or the words that you use to attack or to offend or to bring down or to you know embarrass or uh whatever, bully, then you in effect are an asshole. Um so be careful what you say.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

No, I'm I'm such a bully. Yeah, you can be the asshole.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

But uh, but what I'm trying to say is just basically like it's like, look, um, whatever these guys who have who have left the Mets, I mean, like, we can talk about the whole Pete Alonso comment.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

What did he say?

SPEAKER_02 25:13

You didn't see what he said?

SPEAKER_03 25:14

What did he say? Um Well, I think it had something to do with what he had said a year before when they were negotiating, or two years before when they were negotiating his like stay, and it was something to do with the numbers and like the sort of uh Oh, yeah, no, because I I'm gonna be honest, I agreed with him there when because it's like the thing where he's just like you guys are gonna be looking at your stats all day, like whatever, something like that. I agree with him. I d I feel like he's he's only been right in the handlings of signings with the Mets.

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Yeah.

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Yeah From what I've seen, which is just that one quote.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

So I could be wrong, but no, I mean, but it's that's the thing. It's like it's like, are we we and we don't know what the reasoning is, right? For behind a lot of the deals that were made. And you can assume, given the stature and the quality of players, then we end up getting, um, that it was it had to do more with stats and and math and like the sort of statistics that they were working up, the the books that they were uh um creating, like the sort of percentages and the averages and the you know possibilities based on you know whatever their system cooks up. But none of it felt like there were good gut reactions or like good feelings, you know.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

Not a single one of those.

Merch Dreams And Thor Side Eye

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Not a single one, man. Not a single one. There was like the the only, you know, Soto was the last exciting signing. You know, that was like, wow, we did it.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

We like we made this crazy And even then that's big, but then like we look at it now and it's like Soto isn't worth more than Shohei Otani.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

And that's like No, I mean, but but you know, would we have gotten Shohei?

SPEAKER_03 27:16

But we that's that's the issue, is like we could have offered Shohei that money. Like theoretically, he probably wanted to stay in California, but that was like one off season back.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

But and then there's a question of like, okay, you pay uh you pay Otani, right? How how much do you pay his handler and the guy who makes his bets?

SPEAKER_03 27:39

So much more. When he won't get car. I I saw a comedian.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Isn't that guy in jail or something?

SPEAKER_03 27:47

Like, I think he was he was the fall guy. I saw the I saw the like he's like the most popular Asian comedian. Uh he's got like glasses and a terrible hairline.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Uh I know you talk about I know you're talking about. He's really funny.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

There was a clip of him talking about Shoe Otani. Tongue? Something. Tongue, Jonah Tong.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

No, no, no, that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

I mean it makes it up.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

Makes my tongues up.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Uh he like he kind of just clocked it how it was like he was just a fall guy. Like, Shoe Otani can speak English, but then you bring up the gambling and the everybody's and he's like, What?

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Me don't pick in English.

SPEAKER_03 28:33

But it's like it's it's very much like Betting?

SPEAKER_01 28:37

You mean betting with the bat? No, betting. B-E-T-T-I-N-G.

SPEAKER_03 28:44

Cause it was it was like totally that's like a totally.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

I mean they they they covered that up pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

Well, yeah, because it's like it's Shoeyotani is the kind of player, like they they're so staunch on their anti-betting rules, but Shoyotani is a unicorn, and you can't not have him in the league. Like they're they're anti-the betting, but then at the same time, Shoyotani probably brings in like at least like a hundred million dollars of revenue a year.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

Like, he's like God forbid you're Matsui. You'd be in jail right now.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

Oh man. Perfect Rocky.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

You'd be the east side samurai.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Prison jokes. Let's proceed. Um so really what we're we're we're kind of circling around is this sort of feeling that we're Mets fans, right? And we we wanna there's this sort of mutual and and uh uh uh a feeling that every Met fan knows about the grief and the disappointment and uh and the sort of like desperation.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

I think nothing will be worse than the WBC.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

I think that's like I'm kinda you mean the Dominican team losing?

SPEAKER_03 30:30

Yeah, I think I'm kinda like I don't know to sidetrack. I'm just like the more I think about it, it's kinda like I expect the Mets to lose. So it's kinda not as bad as you would think, you know?

SPEAKER_02 30:42

It's like Yeah, it's just to me, it's just what it is, is that it's just I don't want to keep perpetuating that to me. So it's like it's like you start the season, there's excitement, there's there's hope, there's like this sort of feeling that oh, maybe, maybe, maybe. I mean, and then there's some spark, and you see a little thing here and there.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

We play this with no expectation.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

That's what this is what we need. We do we need we need rock bottom to do.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

But I also feel like we need we need, man, we need like we need a grimace. We need like a like.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

I mean, I like that. I honestly like the construction worker thing that they had going for like a little bit. Like it was silly, but it kind of that that felt like the comeback.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

What was the other team that is was it the Rockies that they do the fur coat?

SPEAKER_03 31:30

I don't know, fur coat.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Like I was watching one of the Mets games, and I think it's the Rockies that they do the because they had the they it was the Rockies because they had the No, it's alright, it was the Diamondbats, because they had the Spanish um Serpiente.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

Serpiente.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Serpientes, and it's just that sort of like almost like sort of tropical blue with the the two blues, right? And uh I just and they had the blue uh fur coat. I love when they got a jacket.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

I love when a team, the Dominican jacket.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

That Dominican jacket was so fancy, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I think I need to hit eBay, see if there's like a like a copy of it somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

They must have poured so much time

Soto Money And Ohtani Fallout

SPEAKER_03 32:10

in because they knew that that team would hit home runs. We'd be seeing a lot of that jacket. Uh something good though. A little off topic, and I know you don't care about basketball. I don't either. Except Except when I learn that the other blue and orange team is kind of going all the way. The Knicks? I mean, like, I'm apparently I don't know anything about basketball, so apparently this happens like every year.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

They get close, they get close.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

Apparently they're like a very spikely high expectation team.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Let's give Spikely a call.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

But they I'll all I'll say is they had like a really great game in like uh the first round of the postseason. Like they they broke their uh postseason points record. Oh nice. But whatever, they like completely lapped the other team. Um but then they made it to the second round and they were playing Philadelphia, and you know what happened? They won 4-0. Like they won four games in a row, lost nothing, and moved on. Just a complete sweep.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

And it was like bad too. Like they set in that series, they set another postseason points record.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

It was who's their star?

SPEAKER_03 33:31

I I couldn't all I know is Carl Anthony Towns, because he's the only Dominican basketball player. I love him.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

Oh, and there's a guy don't make me follow another sport, man. I don't have time.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

Just just just for cat. But uh there's uh there's a guy, OG. Um, I know there's a guy who wears 11, and there's a guy who wears 23. That's that's all I know. But I know that like they have like four big guys. And it is a shame because I think they're gonna lose to last year's champions, uh, Oklahoma City, because they got my favorite basketball player, Jared McCain, from Philadelphia, which is kind of a miracle, because like it sucks, because then it's like they're building a dynasty, because they just like they already won last year, they're getting a new great player. But I won my favorite player out of Philadelphia, so it's like it's a win. Second favorite player. I love you, Bogdan Bogdanovich. He'll always be my favorite. He's on the Clippers too.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

The angels of basketball. We should go see him play.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

We should. I think there's like we have to find out.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

I don't think they have eight dollar tickets for the Clippers.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

They don't, but they're like, I guess they're actually like a pretty okay team. Like they have Kawhi Leonard, uh, they have the one of the funniest things ever is uh one they traded one of their draft picks to Oklahoma City, so they have to do better so the draft pick is worse, so that Oklahoma City doesn't get a really good draft. So it's like they're already out, but they have to lock in for a better record. But uh it's like it's looking like they'll lose um because Oklahoma City, like the day after, finished sweeping the team they were playing, and they they're gonna meet in the playoffs if uh if the Knicks make it. Because I think I think everybody pretty much agrees like Oklahoma's making it, but I don't know anything about basketball. It makes no sense to me. I just like I just like the they're winning. It's apparently it's been rough for Knicks fans.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Um because I think I sent you that clip of Billy Corgan of uh Smashing Pumpkins. Smashing Pumpkins, possibly one of the biggest bands of the 90s and um biggest bands of that alternative era of all time. Billy Corgan, very uh well known for being very outspoken, speaking his mind and some controversial ways as well. But uh he surprised me. I was like, I wasn't even watching for this. I mean, I

Baseball Versus Every Other Sport

SPEAKER_02 36:20

didn't watch, I just saw a clip and it came up. He was talking about baseball, and he was explaining to this guy who was interviewing him, was like, it's just the best sport. And the guy's like, why? It's like it's like boring or whatever. And he was just like, it's only boring if you find life boring. It's like there's no other sport like it. And he's like, really? He's like, yes, because it's the only sport where you never really know what's going to happen. You have no idea what's going to happen, and almost every game is different. It's like almost every game is different. There's a the rotation of players, the possibilities, the one-on-ones. You don't get the kind of one-on-ones. Like you have sports that are just one-on-one, like a tennis or or um, you know. Ping pong. Ping pong. Whatever, uh pickleball. But but you have, you know, I mean, you have that within the game. You will you always have this sort of pitcher versus batter, uh, sort of standoff, duel, in in the all senses of the word. You know, like that basically two forces against each other. But then they're part of this big picture that of this whole thing that it's just like, and then the idea that, you know, it's not uh, you know, like in football, and like all the sports, one people take the offense, the offense, and then they'll change switch over and be defense back and forth. In baseball, it's just kind of like the defined stats of that were um it's not just when you get the ball. It's like no. It's not about getting the ball, it's about the specifics of the time. Like you get three outs, you get this, and that kind of thing. I don't know, man. I just it was just it was a great thing to see uh him talking about that, and uh it just it reminded me again, and I like I I I have this discussion, argument with people, especially basketball fans. Yeah, I mean again, it's it it's it's hard to argue that with basketball players and with soccer fans, and you were just saying about soccer being it's like uh soccer in Latin America is like baseball in the Dominican Republic.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

I mean, not just Latin America, and the rest of the world, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:39

And like the rest of the world. There's like nothing, it's like people say like, oh I guess yeah, like Britain.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

It's it's like Latin America, Britain, and like Africa.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

No, but in Europe, all of Europe.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

I've kind of realized Europe's big on basketball.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

I'm no, I mean like look, look, it you get surprised, it's uh there's their pockets, baseball is big too. Yeah, so it's it is Europe is big. But but it just it wherever you go in Europe, you know, just like it feels like sometimes, like it just it's it's odd to me that always like NFL seems to dominate the sort of popularity thing. Like, you know, and and like and I love I enjoy football. Pittsburgh would be my favorite team, but um, you know, it's like once a week kind of thing, so it's different than like basketball gets played every day, and like baseball the same. Baseball. Baseball, baseball, baseball, football. Um, I don't know, and and just the thing with football, how um not random, but kind of like um it just seem football seems kind of very uh I won't what's the word I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_03 39:55

It's like treacherous in a way, the the standings and the rankings and and how teams kind of like I hate everything about how football is str I feel like football is the anti-baseball.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

No, wait, what I'm saying, I said football, like stock. Football.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

Yeah. That's different, yeah. Okay, football is fine. Football is definitely. Football, I I kind of see the vision. I see the vision with soccer. I I like soccer, I don't like watching soccer. It's worse than watching baseball.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

I don't see how people that's and that's the thing. It's like where people say baseball is boring, to me it's like it's like saying, so you enjoy watching the same thing over and over and over. Take it to this side, take it to that side, take it to this side, take it to that side, take it to this side, take it to that side.

SPEAKER_03 40:40

And it's like it's like basketball too, is that exact same thing.

SPEAKER_02 40:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

It's like I think that baseball kind of has like the perfect amount of points. And I really like I feel like baseball is only really super boring if you're not like understanding what like baseball is at its best when you can like when you know that this pitcher has lit up like three home runs to this batter in his career, and like he's never given a home run to anybody else. Like, it's like that's the kind of like those stats because that you get the one-on-one.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

You get the one-on-one where you don't get that with other sports, but it's like it's very little, like it's not as as uh immediate, it's not as direct or connected.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

It's the perfect sport to deny dynasties, like that they still happen. Like, obviously, there's Yankees and there's like the dynasties too, yeah. But you like look at baseball, the games are played so much, no team is isn't gonna lose 50 games. Yeah, you know, and like the superstars still miss 70% of the time. Yeah, and like uh and I love that in baseball anybody can become like the hero. Like uh like Ildamaro Vargas on the D-Bax, like he's he's just some guy, but he's been like mashing because he's just gotten the opportunity to play a couple times. It's like, who are you? Like, you don't really get that in other things. Like, the only thing that comes close is like Lin sanity in basketball, like that one time. It's like it's not that's not the kind of thing that happens often, but it happens all the time in baseball. And I I love that. I think it's I think it's the best sport. People disagree.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

I think so too. I think so too. Um that's that's an awesome uh you know, and it's a thing, it's a thing that we need to keep reminding ourselves even when um the Mets um keep losing. The Mets. The Mets. Los Mets. Los Mets. The New York Metropolitan. Um because we support. You know, we support our people, we support our family, we support, you know, uh through the good, through the bad. And you know, we might not agree with all the decisions that are being made. Um, but we're there. We're there to support. Um, and we're there to enjoy.

Stop The Rumors And Find A Spark

SPEAKER_02 43:11

So hopefully we have more things to enjoy than not. And hopefully um the games are at the very least entertaining or educational in the sense where we figure out who the players, what this future, the future of this team looks like. But I'm not there yet. I'm personally not there. I'm not saying that we're gonna win the World Series.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Well, I think we have until the All-Star Break for Yeah, yeah for the giving up. Yeah, it's it's still we could still go on a generational run. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

I just want to get to 500. Like if we if we can just reach 500 by the all-star break.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

If we're 500 by the all-star break, I will fully believe that we can make it. That is the miracle that we need.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

Like, that's I'm telling you, we got two months. We got two months. AJ Ewing, we're winning every game. AJ Ewing. I mean, it's like give that get that spark. I mean, that I you know, I just feel too, is that we're missing, and and AJ Young might be it. Who knows? That's where the desperation comes at. People are trying everything. We're missing the firecracker. Who is this team's firecracker? Who is this team's like who is the match? Who is which one which one is the fire that's gonna lit light all these sort of uh um, you know, potential uh superstars up. But it's gotta be someone on the team.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

I mean And it's definitely not our manager, you know, even though people are behind him and and uh on the surface, it looks like he's not doing that horrible of a job, I guess, but it's still kind of like I'm still mad about the manager thing because the people will say it's like if you fire your manager, it's basically over for the season. Like, there's no but the Phillies fired their manager and they immediately got better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I here's what I will say the issue is that I think that kind of player in the past has been Francisco Lindor, and he was that for one game, and that was too much, and he got injured, and like that's what sucks. But I I feel it in my gut that when he comes back things will be better. Um, and I'm really hoping a guy like AJ Ewing is enough to at least bring us a little bit back to life in the sense that like, okay, we can win. We can win. AJ Ewing and the Tigers is all we needed.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

Yeah, no, I I just think that that's uh, you know, also I have a wish for my like this week. I have a wish. Dun dun dun dun dun dun. My wish is that we drop all these fucking um trash talk rumors. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, trade rumors, trade rumors or or bullshit rumors about like camaraderie or clubhouse, uh whatever, or like Soto's not a team player and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 46:06

It's like you can win World Series with your superstars hating each other.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

We did it in '86. You totally can. What you can't do is feed that fire. Exactly. It's like let the haters talk, let the people, the the media outlets that need to click bait, let them push it. If I see a fan or see if I see anybody who gives a damn about the Mets talk about um, yeah, so don't do, man. If they'll they would they got they would get along. Stop it. Stop it. That's like saying, like, you know, like wherever you work, there's somebody that you hate, and because you hate that person, no work gets done. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. Just get to work and through the work, hopefully get over any sort of bullshit, you know? But just leave it alone. Leave it the fuck alone. So that no more of that, no more.

SPEAKER_03 47:00

Also, the Peralta trade rumors are so annoying to me. They are, and it's like, you know, we need him.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

We totally need him.

SPEAKER_03 47:07

Like, he's been doing a little bit worse than we wanted, but we need pictures. That's like that that was like a whole thing. And I feel like we're forgetting that because now we need like somebody to hit for power. But there was that whole point in time.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

I mean, I feel I feel like Devin Williams is worse.

SPEAKER_03 47:25

Oh, well, he's like, he's definitely worse.

SPEAKER_02 47:27

I mean, he's just like soft and like we need some somebody. I've been looking Luke Weaver. I'm gonna be honest.

SPEAKER_03 47:32

He's he's really one Leo for his like I like him a lot, but I think we're this is another interesting thing. I've been avoiding the games because when I avoid the games, we tend to win. This happened yesterday. I clicked on the game. What time is the game today? Yeah. I think soon. Okay. Clicked on the game, Dylan Dingler hit a home run. I clicked off the game. We won the game. That's been happening. But I'm looking at the recaps, we've been playing a lot of more random guys for like our bullpen, and it's kind of been working out.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

Like we've been doing a really like I mean it doesn't it doesn't I think the main problem has been offense. That's like that's a clear thing. I feel like we haven't been routed, we haven't been like gutted. We haven't that there have been very few games where the other team gets like 10 runs. It's really more like we're losing like five to two and like six to three, and you know, we've been losing two to zero.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

Only because of our run pro like our our not our run creation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I feel like But it happens sometimes. We do what's the voodoo guy in the major league? Can we there's there's a couple different ones. There's because that happens in Bull Durham too.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

They also have there's always there's always conspira not conspiracy superstitions.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

But we can't do it. We already tried that this season. Steve Gelbs was burning some incense outside the field one game, and it didn't work.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

Steve Gelbs should be turning is burning hot dogs.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

I love Steve Gelbs. Did you see the one where they got the in Chicago they got like the two-foot-long hot dog and he and Keith shared it? Oh, I did see that.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

I can't ever unsee it.

SPEAKER_03 49:14

I'm I get so mad when people like uh because like under all like the clips like that, and like the time when they called like the Carson Bench catch pulk retudinous, under all those, the people are hating and they're like, just play baseball. It's like they're the the broadcasting team is the bright shining light.

SPEAKER_02 49:34

Oh my god, it's our it's like right now, it's like the reason to watch these games, and that's the whole point of them. It's like it's always been, it's always been the thing of for baseball is that half of it is you love your announcers, you love the new the the the sportscasters, the people who are doing the reporting, the interviews before and after the show, and that kind of stuff. It's like you fall in love with these people and they become a part of your family too, as well, just as any of the players, and they tend to stay longer than most of the players, you know, so they're more hardcore than you know, it's like there's uh you know I I had this thought the other day that there's like an underlying sadness that we can't get rid of, you know, like like a deep sort of almost depression because I feel like it's Keith Hernandez last year.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

It's his last beat. I mean, he's already like missing a lot of the games. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

And it's like it's like there's something, there's something, you know, already we're saying goodbye, and it's like I feel like that that's part of it. I wish we would celebrate him more, celebrate Keith Hernandez more, and like spirit.

SPEAKER_03 50:46

I think it's Howie Rose's like last year. Yeah, he's like, I think I saw a thing, he's like moving away. Because he's old. He wants to like go live in retirement, which sucks too.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

It's like yeah, that's that's not cool.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Well, I just let's celebrate these guys and let's let's let's celebrate the good stuff. Let's celebrate the good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

I mean, let's celebrate Gary's gonna be around forever.

SPEAKER_02 51:11

He's he is what the word, whatever word he used.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

He's poker to this. Polka truthiness. The M C T word.

SPEAKER_02 51:22

He definitely is. Buddy's got the voice. I can't do his voice. Um, yeah, let's keep them all, y'all. Let's

Baseball Movies And Roadhouse Rules

SPEAKER_02 51:30

keep them all. Um let's talk movies. How many movies did you watch this week?

SPEAKER_03 51:36

Not enough. I'm still catching up. Uh I watched two baseball movies. That's kind of shiny, especially because in Bull Durham, there's two Met'references.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

Okay, hold on. So you watched Bull Durham and what was the other baseball movie?

SPEAKER_03 51:52

Angels in the Outfield, which I didn't know. Such a crazy stack cast. Like, what a cast!

SPEAKER_00 52:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:03

It's insane.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

Who's in that movie again?

SPEAKER_03 52:07

I mean, off the top of my head, I know uh Adrian Brody plays like he's like the utility infielder. Which he's he's such a utility infielder, but he's just like a guy. Like he's not, he's such a minority.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

I mean, it's just like he was it was so early in his career.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

And same with Joseph Gordon Levitt, that's like his first role. Danny Glover. Danny Glover is like the main guy.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

I mean, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

It's crazy. Um, Matthew McConaughey was in the outfield. Those those are kind of like the big guys where it's like, what are you doing here? Um I've never seen that movie. It's so it's such a weird, like, it's like a it's like a flashbang when you're watching and like out of nowhere, you see Matthew McConaughey, and he's like, I've got it, I've got it.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

It's like, what are you doing out there? It's it but it's like a Disney movie, right?

SPEAKER_03 53:00

It is, well, yeah, because Disney owned the Angels.

SPEAKER_02 53:03

Okay, so it's an actual I didn't know it was actually about the Angels.

SPEAKER_03 53:06

It's well yeah, it is it is about the team, the Anaheim Angels. Or I guess it was California. California. That was the worst part about the movie, is they had the CA logo, which was kind of it's it's an awful logo because it's just like the Rockies.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

That's right. So the C Rocks, the CR.

SPEAKER_03 53:23

Yeah, because it's like and they do like the same kind of it like feel it's the same vibe. Yeah. Uh which really threw me off. But it's like that was a really I enjoyed that movie. It was a little too religious, which like what was I expecting?

SPEAKER_01 53:36

It was faith-based movies, they call them. I mean, yeah, it's literally about angels, so it's like but talk to me about Bull Durham, because that one I've seen and I love.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

Bull Durham was definitely a better movie. I think they were both really solid, but uh Bull Durham, I the two Mets references, I will say, they referenced Dwight Gooden, who's like my favorite pitcher. I love that guy. Yeah. Uh and then they also there's like the clown who performed before the minor league game, he like a couple different times he was wearing a couple different jerseys, but his first time up, he was wearing a Mets jersey. I was like, that's kind of crazy. And then I realized that's kind of like Mets Heyday when that movie came out. So that was I like I don't know. Like I was like, wow, we really are the laughing stocks, but like that not at that point in time.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

Uh did you like uh in 1988? I love Susan Serena in that movie.

SPEAKER_03 54:36

I mean, I like Susan Sarrendon in any movie.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

Oh, me too, man. Damn it, Janet. Um you know, you remember her from Rocky Horror, right?

SPEAKER_03 54:45

Um, but uh Don't you hurt her? Frank and hurt her. That's my favorite, that's my favorite rhyme of anything anyway.

SPEAKER_01 54:57

Uh yeah. I still I still I like it. Just a sweet transvestalator from transsexual. Transvarium. How do you do it? See you, bit my faithful head. I just that's a love when he's done straight. It's like, don't get strong by the way. Don't judge the book by its cover. Much of a man by the light of day, but at night. I'm one hell of a lover.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

I love any song that you can say like that.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

We got Rocky Hara in the mix. That's awesome. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

I I'm just gonna say real quick, I watched two movies this week, which is a miracle because I've maybe maybe watched three movies this year so far, and I had to stop that. I have to change that, I have to get back on track. But I watched Outcome with Keanu Reeves, written and directed by Jonah Hill. He was on he was one of the stars in it.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

I've been on my Jonah Hill Hayden grind. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 56:12

And you'll you'll love this movie. Um, no, I mean, I think I I think I think he's an interesting director for sure, and I really appreciated all the um there's a lot of moments in this movie. It's messy, and I I think I was talking to you about it before, where it's just kind of like this guy that goes on an apology spree because he's trying to find out who's trying to blackmail him. Uh, he's an actor and they have a video on him that's gonna kind of expose him. And he's trying to, you know, make amends almost like he's going to everybody, and and in the process, realizing that he was a lot shittier than he thought it was. So that was just kind of like that was a cool aspect. Plus, it had a great ending, which I was uh like really loved. But um, so that was cool. But at the same night, um, I watched a movie called Raymond and Ray, which was, I want to say written and directed by Rodrigo Garcia, and uh starred Ewan McGregor and Ethan Hawk. And that was an interesting movie because they played brothers whose father had died, and they were both kind of estranged from their father, and it was just like they they their father was a horrible man, but they find out that he kind of lived a different life and affected other people in different ways that didn't touch them. So they were kind of like having to have uh certain awakenings and and realizations about each other, about their their father and all this stuff. It was really cool in that respect, but also a little messy as well. Like it wasn't like you know, they're not perfect films, but they were just kind of cool in the sense that um it was a reminder of being able to enjoy movies when there's uh they're dialogue heavy and they're kind of just like trying to get to um so the action is more emotional or and and more soulful.

SPEAKER_03 58:06

I'm the worst at dialogue heavy. I realize that more and more. It's my it's probably my biggest like weakness.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

I enjoy it if if if if it's you know, I can always it always it's some most of the time I can overstay its welcome, you know, like you want to get it to the next scene or whatever. But at the same time, if the actors are good and these guys are great, you know, you you can kind of one of them.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

Which one? I love you and McGregor.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

I I I thought Ethan Hawke pretty much stole this movie.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

Um Ethan Hawke is barely a step above the uh Tilda Swinton, Jared Leto tier.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

Oh, then we ain't talking. I Jared Leto is the bottom of the barrel. Tilda Swinton is just out of the universe.

SPEAKER_03 58:54

It's Jared Leto, Tilda Swinton.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

I love Tilda Swinton. She can't do anything.

SPEAKER_03 58:59

Clearly, you haven't seen Constantine.

SPEAKER_02 59:01

I have seen Constantine. I love Constantine. Constantine. Constantine. Um, I love that movie.

SPEAKER_03 59:07

I love that they cast Keanu Reeves. That's what I loved about that movie.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Yeah, I mean, it was just like, you know, they uh obviously they could have gotten anybody else. But uh, I mean, if you if you're familiar with the comic book, it was great.

SPEAKER_03 59:22

I I really enjoyed that movie.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

I thought it was great too, you know. It's but it's definitely like a one of those things that they missed out on a certain aspect of that character by casting him, you know. And and he's great when he's there, he's great. It's never like a thing where, you know, but it was just like a different thing. Like it just it could have been anybody but him. But it's just like he was this is like a hard-boiled detective guy that just happens to go to hell, you know, and and and it's just kind of like a it's so weird because you know, you need you often need more from Keanu Reeves. Like Keanu Reeves is best when there's less, there's less demanded from him.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:05

And and and he's my favorite one-dimensional actor. I mean, like not even- I cannot agree with you. Not even not even saying that he's like one-dimensional. No, no, no, no, no. His strength, his strength.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

Also, there's something about him that he's like, he's vessel-like. So he's basically like, when he's on point, you go he you go right through him. Like you basically like he you you can kind of like, he can, he's uh malleable enough or or or vapid enough. I don't know what the proper word would be, where you can kind of completely like fill in that space with yourself, you know, where you're not sympathizing with the character, but you become him. You like he represents you in a way because there's less of him, like that soulfully. And that's nothing to say that like he's he's oddly very soulful. Like he's very like he's he, you know, it's just that he's he's up there for me for acting. No, I mean it's like you know, I uh to me he's he he clinched it with all those, you know, what do you call it, the last series? John Wick. The John Wick movies. I mean, there's just the after that second one, I was just like, I just don't think nobody could do this. Like, it's like and and it almost felt like wow, this guy just kind of found his calling, you know, after having so much success already. You know?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

And like that's the craziest thing for me, is he was like, he was like Bill and Ted.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:33

And then he went to like Matrix, the surfing.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:36

Like, I I love that he's like so he's so goofy and then so serious. He's so good at being so serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

And that's a thing that those movies kind of like have you seen the surfing movie? Which one you mean point break?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

Point break. Yeah, as that's one of my favorite. That for me, that's almost like that. Is the kind of movie that if Nick Cage was playing his that role, it would be up there with like hard target and face off. Like, it's like it's like almost to the goofiness caliber. And honestly, even even with Kevin, it's up there for the city.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

It's it's a great movie, plus there's it's one of the best Patrick Swayze movies. I love like Patrick Swayze for me, and like people love him, and it's like, you know, oh, he was like a heartthrob back in the day, blah blah. But to me, there's Roadhouse and there's point break. And it's just like again, somehow he makes those parts so much fun. Like, just you've seen Roadhouse. You have not seen Roadhouse. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:41

I've been working on it. No, I've got to be a lot of the books.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

Roadhouse is one of the best movies of all time.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

It's it's it's been on the list.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:47

Okay, that that's what we're gonna do. ASAP. We're gonna watch Roadhouse. There's there's just no better movie than Roadhouse. I'm telling you, Roadhouse is the best movie ever. Like, if you like, I would test anybody sort of like my my would be like uh uh uh my gauge as far as like okay, are you can I be cool with you? Can we can we like have a conversation? Can we be on the same level? You have to watch Roadhouse. And if you if you can't enjoy that movie, then we can't talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:16

How do you feel about the remake with Jake Jill and all?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:19

I watched it and I was just like, why?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

That's the worst way to start. I mean, I watched it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:28

It's just the thing is you watch the you watch the original one and you you realize it's like one of those things where it's like it's the equivalent of say going to uh a fast food place and asking for a cheeseburger, and they bring you something that looks like it's completely plastic, and it just what is this? This doesn't look great.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

That's what the poster looks like, and then you eat it and you go, oh, ho ho ho ho White Castle. It's like White Castle.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:01

Completely that's something I will say Harold and Kumar. Yes. I I did you watch it? I wasn't expecting it to be that good. I watched it for 420 because I felt like I had to do something funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

That resurrected Neil Patrick Harris.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:16

That was such a Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

Right? Is that the move that he kind of pops up in the crazy that he's just idiot?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

Like it's and you know what's really funny? My only exposure to him is YouTube shorts of How I Met Your Mother.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

And that's and it's insane because he was so popular with Doogie Hauser. I mean, that was his fate. Like he was Doogie Hauser, and then it was gonna be like, dude, this is this is who you are for the rest of your life. You know what I mean? Like, you know, that sort of the child actor syndrome, and he kind of like that movie was crucial as far as like changing his life. Because then then after that came that show. And in that show, he played like.