Episode 10: Kate Ends Up on the News...For All the Wrong Reasons

This week on Two Ginger Gems, Kate and James hit a milestone:  It's episode 10! Kate accidentally ends up on KTLA news, and James has lunch with a legendary English TV writer who helped bring Doctor Who back from the dead. Kate and Mikki see a pre-screening of an extraordinary film about John Davidson, the man with Tourette's who made headlines at the BAFTAs, and she hasn't stopped thinking about it since. James dips his toe into Netflix's creepy new series Something Very Bad Is Going To Happen, and they mark 35 years since the Dallas finale with a lively debate about the greatest TV sign-offs ever. Kate discovers the hidden gem that is the Cinegrill at the Hollywood Roosevelt — classic movies, couches, and possibly Marilyn Monroe's ghost, where they catch a screening of Hitchcock's Vertigo. Add in Lena Dunham's brilliant new memoir Famesick, a shout out to Urth Caffé on Beverly Drive, a theatre renaissance moment courtesy of Timothée Chalamet, and a gem cut for Pope Leo, and this one has it all. Pull a card and breathe it in!

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Links:

I Swear:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Swear_(film)

John Davidson Documentary:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfJDpd3XcY

Vertigo:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertigo_(film)

Cinegrill at the Roosevelt Hollywood:  https://www.thehollywoodroosevelt.com/events

The Fabulous Baker Boys:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097322/

Famesick:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/609917/famesick-by-lena-dunham/

Dave Levisohn Podcast:  https://open.spotify.com/episode/4bd6Guvz6Pj2XBrbYqOSyh?si=Ya9VlJgOTHqM1zrLr4IYyg

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

What's on the menu this week, James?

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Well, Kate has a very Hollywood week by appearing on the TV news and getting vertigo at the Hollywood Roosevelt.

SPEAKER_00 0:08

What? Oh my gosh. And I have the most fantastic book recommendation from a fantastic girl.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Enjoy.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

From beautiful Hollywood, California. Please welcome to Ginger Gems with Kate and James.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

And we're in.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

So what's been happening this week and I'm.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

I'm just telling you what happened to me this week. This is really ridiculous. Our dog park, right? We have a small dog park and a big dog park, and they let a big dog into the small dog park. And there's always trouble when a dog of a certain, you know, height or weight comes in, right? Anyway, it attacked another dog. I wasn't there, I didn't see it. We go the next day, and KTLA are there out with their cameras. Anyway, they didn't we chatted to the woman. We not on camera or anything. It came on KTLA, and they're going on about there's a small, there's a small dog park, had a big dog in it, and then they cut to the dog park that's just full of the smallest dogs you've ever seen. Apart from me.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

There's the big dog.

unknown 1:08

There's a big dog.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Kate sent me this clip saying, look at this. And I'm looking it and I'm like, oh my god, poor thing, poor thing. Suddenly.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Oh, there she is.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Thought I was watching Curb. It's suddenly this one loitering in the background trying to get trying to get in the shot.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Literally. Where's the big dog in the small dung?

SPEAKER_01 1:26

The big dog in the dog park. Oh. There she is.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

There she is. In the dungous. Anyway, yeah, that was that's my week.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Yeah, well.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Being active as the big dog in a dog park.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Quite the bark. Quite the bark and the bark.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

And a bike. And a bar.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

They're still looking for the owner and the dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Yeah, they ran away. So what about you, Bay? What's happened this week?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Just been a nice week. Nothing, nothing major. I did I had lunch with a a good friend of mine who's a um a very successful English writer and producer who I uh admired for a long time and then I've become friends with. And he uh is like a legend in in English television and he was uh responsible for a lot of stuff. He was actually one of the main people behind bringing Doctor Who back after all those years that he was off. We've just talked about what he was doing and uh you know the state of the industry and things, and uh and it made me kind of I came away really positive. He was very you know. It was after about the industry. Yeah, it was like very adaptable, like okay, well this is this, so now we'll do this. And it wasn't kind of doom and gloom. He just seems is is one of these people who's always positive and um is just interesting guys to talk to. So that made me feel really good. I I really enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Cool, so nice week, basically, babe.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Nice week, not a bad week at all, thank you. Yeah, so TV into TV.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Oh no, let's go into movies first, babe. You want to talk about movies? I want to talk about movies because we went last night. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

What a trip that was.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Fucking hell. We went and saw, stop with that. Okay, we went and saw I Swear.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

I know you do, it's all you do.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

There you go, and it was brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Oh really?

SPEAKER_00 3:02

It was I mean, I don't think I cried from from I think I cried from beginning to end. It's a tough movie to watch. It's not that it's it is a tough movie to watch, but it's in the sadness, but the happiness is sad. Yeah, the happiness is makes you cry as well. Yeah, and it's basically it's you'll everybody will know about it because do you remember the BAFTAs with the bloke with Tourette? Yeah, and the BAFTA awards, and he shouted out the you know. Oh, is that what was that what they're based on him? And that was the film.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

That was the film, that's why I was at the BAFTA's.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Yeah, because it won like three BAFTAs including it.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

John John Davidson.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

John Davidson is name is yeah, run including Best Actor. And they were there, they did a QA after the director and the actor of it. But it's basically I don't know if you remember, but I do remember when they put they I didn't know it was him until the end because then they put up the real pictures of them and a video of him as a child, and I was like, oh my god, I saw that video in England. Do you remember when that video came out about Tourette? That documentary, it came out and no one had ever heard of it. And we were at an age where you know we were stupid and we were taking the piss after we saw the documentary, uh, you know, everybody was just walking around saying all the stuff. Because he just says the most ridiculous things. It's not like he's swearing just going, fuck you, fuck that. He's just saying ridiculous things, you know, that are like very rude, you know. So it's kind of funny. So you laugh about it when you don't know the full history. And now we've seen the whole film. Oh my god. Now I'm like, I feel so dr dreadful about that, and not only that, that I didn't understand it, but that we were young, but you know, that even now, I feel like even now, where there's all this information out about it, a lot of people don't know about Tourette's at all, you know, and how they really cannot help s saying the words or having the ticks and everything.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Because you swear a lot and say ridiculous things, but you know, deliberately, don't you? You know what you say.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Yeah, I know what I'm saying, but they don't, or they do, but they they they do know they're saying it, and they know exactly what they just said.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

But they can't help themselves.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

But they can't help themselves. But it is so good and it it's so brilliantly acted. I mean he won a BAFTA for it. I mean, I know it's come out now. I think it doesn't come out, the film doesn't come out till next week. But um So how did you say it? He's uh joke pre-sreening. Yeah, pre-screening. So we um yeah, for the film independent. But uh I hope he ha it hasn't come out early, too early, that he doesn't win an Oscar for this. Because that boy win an Oscar. He is and then he came on and he's he plays a Scottish, Scottish John Davidson from Edinburgh. Um anyway, um yeah, so that and then the actor came on and he's like this boy from Hull. So it's like the and he's honestly babe just uh amazing. And even the boy who plays him younger, so up to like 13 or something, he is amazing too. But this this bloke, and the it's just the most beautiful, beautiful, beautiful film, and it's gonna become like this film's gonna be one of those films that you look back and you go, Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

And everybody in the audience was like the inner state. It wasn't just me. Everybody, including Mickey, yeah, who doesn't usually get like it was a it was a communal thing. Everybody in the theatre was in riding along with the English. An amazing movie. Everybody, please go and see. I swear, please go and see it. Learn about Tourette's, so important to know about it. Learn about what this man did and how he was treated. It's oh I'm getting shivers again. I can't talk about it anymore. Excellent. Okay, next, next TV? You want to talk about TV? You tell saying about some horror or something, babe.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

So uh my old pal Steve uh told me to watch something called Something Very Bad Is Going to Happen on Netflix. Oh, and his his what he said it was good. He says, Stick with it, you'll wonder what you're watching, and he says it's a bit twin peaks-y. Um, so I started watching it last night and it was uh scary.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Well it's scary, it is.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

I mean it's it's um so far it was good. I'm only on episode one, but uh but I would say check it out. It is very, it's done very, it's got everything right about um you don't know where it's going and everything makes you jump. Like every two, every 20 seconds is something like oh and uh but what's kind of funny is that the the warning came up at the start about that it was got like uh violence, gore, and smoking.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

And smoking.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

It was like so I so I'm you know, yeah, that would have put me off smoking. I mean, Jesus Christ, calm down. But anyway, it was um it's funny that that's what they have to warn you about if somebody's smoking. Uh thankfully I've not seen anybody smoking yet. But I would say what so uh Steve says he's I think Steve's writing the whole thing, but um I what I've seen of it, it's worth I would say I'm gonna keep going with it. I think there's only like six episodes or something like that. Are you good?

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Are you good with the horror films and then?

SPEAKER_01 7:58

I am quite good with the horror films, but I must admit last night I kept I was watching it and I was getting a bit jumpy and I kept looking at. I have dogs, and so every time a dog moved, I presumed it was some man behind me with like.

SPEAKER_03 8:06

Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

And I kept like I kept looking over my shoulder and looking over my shoulder, checking the bad door shut. But uh, but yeah, it was good and it was kind of exciting. So I I I think it's a good seems to be done well. It seems to be shot well, it's interestingly uh.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Well, I like the actress in it, Camilla, the lead actress. I saw her in a film years ago, like a very actually back to Film Independent, a really small film at Film Independent. It was tiny, like 20 piece person theatre, and she was bloody amazing. Something in the bear it was called, wasn't it? And she was like amazing in it. BJ and the Bear. Yeah, no, I want BJ. I used to love that. BJ didn't yeah, and my best friend rolling down to Dallas, my wheels provided. I love that show.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Um Jay McKay, yeah, and his best friend.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

And his best friend, Bear. Doot do it. Um, yeah, anyway, she was in that very uh small film, and I was like, I think I should become a cast and director or an agent, I'll make a fortune. I was like, that girl.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Mickey and the bear.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Mickey and the bear. There, how could I not? I could talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Oh my god, all the irony.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Mickey and the bear.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

I feel like I'm with Mickey and the Bear on there.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

But um anyway, that's a brilliant film too. So if you can find that, um, but then she was in uh Dane Daisy Jones and the Six. That was she was um I mean she was brilliant in that. And she played the wife of the bloke who was in love with Daisy and everything, and then she dies of anyway. I shouldn't give it all right. I shouldn't give that all away. All right, maybe not all that. Okay, no, but it's she's so good, she's so phenomenal in it, she's brilliant. Anyway, so yeah, I might have a look at it, but you know what I usually do when it's scary things, things that scare me. I can't watch it, I'll watch it like in the day.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

They're gonna come and if if some mad axman's gonna come in your house, he's not gonna worry about it being day, you'll still come in and get it.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Yeah, but I believe he he will worry that it's day and he'll be seen by everyone. So I so I'm good. Keeping that.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

I don't know. We'll see.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

No, I'm fine. Unless you're the mad axeman, then he might come. He could come at any point, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Anytime he comes, uh Hello Mimi Axe. Hello, is that Mickey and the Bear?

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Is that Mickey and the Bear?

SPEAKER_01 10:12

It's always classic TV. The the only thing I wanted to mention about this was it was 35 years ago this week since Dallas ended. My show.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Okay, next. Take a shot. Take a shot.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Everybody drink.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Yeah, but of course it came back. Oh yeah, it did come back actually, didn't it?

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Well, I looked, I looked this up, and interestingly, the finale of Dallas is the 12th most watched TV series finale in US history.

SPEAKER_03 10:38

Is that right?

SPEAKER_02 10:39

33 million people. Is that right? Yeah. And that's compared to MASH, which is number one, which has 106 million. Yeah, which is yeah, one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

The Who Shot JR episode was the most watched episode ever until the MASH finale. Yeah. And then it took over. Yeah, I saw it. But the finale, yeah. 33 million for finale of and to be honest, when they ended Dallas at time because it was shit. And the finale was the who was it was in the finale? Um Joel Gray. He was kind of came in as this like weird character. It's his birthday this week.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Um but he came in at this like the house episode. It was like a weird, it's a wonderful life version. But uh oh yeah, your house belongs to Joel Grey.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Yeah, my house belonged to Joel Gray.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

It was but by then the show was kind of like done, which is why they ended it. But 33 million is great. Can you imagine if something got that today? I mean, Jesus Christ. Piddle used to get that, Dancing used to get that.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Babe, if they get if a show got that right now, everybody would lose their shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Wouldn't they? Yeah, they would, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

I mean, it would be probably commissioned for the next 10 years if somebody got that. That was a good one. Best finale.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Best finale, Mickey. What's the best TV finale ever?

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Match.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Jesus. New Heart. I don't think I've ever seen them finale. Oh my god. New Heart finale. Anyone who knows anything about television, the New Heart.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Is that the one where they get in the bed or something?

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Was it all a tree?

SPEAKER_01 11:55

There were two series. There was New Heart and there was the Bob New Heart show. I don't know which one came first, but when the second one ended, he died in the last episode or woke up. And he was back in the bed with his wife from the first season series.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Yeah, it was all a trade.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

And it was all a Dallas.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

He did a Bobby Ewing.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

But it was like, it was really clever the way they did it. And it was like a big everyone remembers that as the because like everyone says, well, Cheers was kind of like a lame finale. Friends was a signfelt. People tend to think finales are quite lame, but the New Heart one was the one. New Heart One is the one that everyone remembers as being done well. Because when you think of like Lost, I don't remember what happened. Dynasty was a good one. I do remember what happened in Dynasty, but that was shit as well. But anyway. Alright, so uh Six and the City.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

I never the finale on of their last six season six.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

Well, that's one of your favourite shows.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Yeah, that was fantastic. And then they came in those two films, which was shit. And then we move on. And then we move on from the movies. Then we move on.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

It's a classic movie.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

You know what I saw this week?

SPEAKER_01 12:55

Go on.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Oh my god, I saw Vertigo. Have you seen Vertigo? Oh my god, what a great movie that is. Totally crazy. I I think way before its time at the time. Yeah. Bonkers movie, but so good. You know where I saw it? I want to tell everyone about that. If you live in LO, you come to LA for uh, you know, on holiday or whatever, go to the Roosevelt Hotel, Hollywood Roosevelt. They have this lit, they have a cinema in there. Nobody knows about it. It's like I have no idea how this has been going on for a long time. Every two weeks, they have a classic movie in there. It's kind of small, I don't know how many. It's got couches, it's got the screen, and it's run by the site. Careful of the post everywhere. Babe, what's the bloke who runs it?

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Oh, Juan. I'll have to look it up. It's I got it written down someplace.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Okay. Um he's he basically curates the movie.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

Jose Ignacio Cuenca.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

There you go. Oh fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Rolls off the tongue.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

He's well, yeah, that's why I was going to attempt it. He's fantastic, babe. And he cu curates them. He also has his own wine that he has there, named after his son, Mateo. That one I remember. That one I remember Mateo. Um, and uh, yeah, so every two weeks, and you can go, and it's uh what is it called? Cine Cine Grill?

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Cinegrill.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Cine grill, yeah. And they have the movie in there.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

The sign on the top of the hotel says Cinegrill.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Yes, and no, but the cinema is the Cinegrill, and then it's the cinema of that. And so you it's got a little bar at the back. It's so lovely, isn't it, Babe? And he has a little chat with you beforehand about the movie, and then you all watch the movie together, like you're in a big front room, and then he comes back at the end and everybody talks about the movie. Nice. Yeah, it was so lovely, but Vertigo, whoa.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

Didn't you know that the first Academy Awards was held at the uh Hollywood in the room too?

SPEAKER_01 14:51

If you go in the front door, it's a room on the right.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

1929 and Marilyn Monroe have been in that had performed in that in this room.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

And the famous scene from the beautiful uh uh Fabulous Baker Boys.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Fabulous Baker Boys. You know where Michelle Pfeiffer gets on the piano? And on the piano, do you know that where she's they're playing and she's on top of the piano in the red dress, Fabulous Baker Boys. Anyway, another classic great movie. Watch that, Fabulous Baker Boys, is in that room as well. It was performed in that room as well.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

They all write Marilyn Monroe Holmes the Roosevelt. Yeah, that's what they say.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

She comes in the shear coming and a light turning on and off on her anniversary.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yes, they were there on our anniversary because it's gonna be an anniversary coming up, and they're gonna be doing um something like it hot, and they said and the there was a bloke there who was there last year on her birthday when they did um uh a film of hers, and they said the light on the side just kept flickering, you know.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Going on and off and Mateo sitting behind the wall turning the light switch on and off, saying, Oh, this will fall them.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Anyway, I'll be there, babe. I'll be there, but go, because how amazing is that? I mean, it's so much history in that hotel anyway. And in the summer they do a they do a movie by the by the fall, which is amazing as well. It's like uh I think people need to look at it. Yeah, she is, yeah, she is. And then um Miss Ellie and Dallas, another shot. We're all gonna be drunk, we're all gonna be drunk at the end of this. Um, yeah, Kim Novak looking bloody amazing. Um, yeah, James Stewart. Yeah, great. Excellent. Great, great, great.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

My only other thing that the I noticed as well this week that last week I talked about Laurel and Hardy and the music box, which is the one where they pushed the piano up the stairs. That was released in 1932, but it was released this week in 1932. If you find it, watch that. That's like one of their best, and they won the Oscar for best short, and it's it's uh only like a 25-minute movie, but it's really good, so you should watch that, particularly for the slapstick, right? Kate, I know that's the case. Yeah, I'll be there.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Let me just write uh-uh, let me write that down. Top of my list, number one thing to watch.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

Double double feature with I Love Lucy and the three stooges. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

I don't mind I Love Lucy, babe, actually. Did you see that Dave Leverson shout out to Dave Dave Leverson?

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Yeah, he says Buster Keaton does all his own stunts.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Yes, which is amazing. Because I remember I think Dave might have actually shown me this once, and he's like on a train and then there's a ladder, and he's just flying around holding on to this ladder.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Yeah, I think if you look on YouTube, you can there's videos showing how they were all they all did their own stunts. But some of the Buster Keaton, I mean the famous one is the the house falling down. But it was a legitimately a real thing. But he stood there and apparently again, Tom Bergeron, take a shot. Uh he told me this that they that apparently when he was he they stood there, they lowered the house, he stood in the window and put a like a nail in the ground and he stood with his heel against the nail, and all and then they lifted the house up and he kind of walked off. Then he apparently came into his scene, walked up until his foot hit the nail and he knew where he was. So when the house came down, the window was directly over him. Had he been like a to the right.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Or the thing had gone slightly. Do you know what I mean? To make it go dead exactly where it went before. What if it went a bit that way? There's a little bit of wind or something, or there was a push, or someone didn't pull it back as far as they did the last time.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Pissed off one of the groups.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Come on, easily.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Fraction. Thanks, Dave. Thanks, Matt. Dave, for sending in about that.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

Shout out to Math again. Shout out to Math again. Dave Leverson. Dave Levison's our number one fan.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

I think he is.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Yeah. Cameraman to the stars.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Yes. Yes, cameraman to the stars. Actually, he's got a great man for a bunch of he's on that where he goes and has a fantastic interview. We're going to link that below. Okay. We'll link Dave Dave's podcast where he's been interviewed. It's really good. Yeah. Um okay. What else, babe,'s been happening this week?

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Well, we haven't really seen any any theatre, but I think you wanted to mention something regarding it.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Oh, that Timothy Chalamet got a thank you. Oh, got a thank you from Opera Ballet. Yeah, amazing.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Apparently, it's like it's gone through the roof.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

It's gone through the roof because it's gone through the everyone's like, no, F. And it's of young people. And yeah, thank Yeah.

unknown 18:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

F um that they are. Yeah. So controlled. But do you know what? I found do you know what it's funny? Do you remember when we were talking about this and I said it's theatre and ballet, and the next the next step would be uh it's ballet and opera, and the next step would be theatre. Yeah. I was watching at this uh chat show in England and they were talking about it, and they'd already put it in there. They said Timothy Chalamet was dis in ballet opera and theatre. And I was like, well, no, he wasn't. They've probably been listening two hours. They've probably been listening to me and was like, oh she's she said the next step, but he must have said no. My mum loves it, but I guess we're gonna global.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Oh, we're gonna be global.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

We're global. Hey, we got them all over, we got Australia. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 19:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Anyway, just quickly with Timothy Chalamet's thing and everything. No, the thing is. But it's all no, he's not forgiven at all. But it's also um in theatre, right now, they're having a real renaissance, you can say, I think. Um, because uh every time we go and try and book a book a theatre at the moment, aren't we, babe? Every show we book is like sold out. Yeah, it's never been. He's gonna turn around.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

He's gonna turn around and say, That was my plan all along. Yeah, yeah. You know, just doing my part.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Yeah, just doing this part, no.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Yeah, he's it'll it'll create a problem and then when it works back in his favour, he'll say, Well, that was my plan all along. Very presidential. Yeah, that sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Yeah, we all know that. We all know that fucking pattern. But you know, um also also, like you said, it's like young people come into it, which is the most amazing thing and the greatest thing. And not just that, but now there's a lot of playwrights that are young and they're really into the theatre, and they don't even they're not even doing it like people used to always do it as a stepping stone to do uh movies and screenplays and everything, but now people are literally going, no, no, I want to do plays. They want connection, so it's not just plays, it's also concerts, sporting events. It's anything where there's humour watching people being real, doing whatever they do they're best at, and it's beautiful. So this is a great time. This is a great time.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

You know, one of the things my I mean, we've done this so many times, the two of us, the three of us, whatever. Hollywood Bowl. How much do you love the Hollywood Bowl?

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Oh my god, I love the Hollywood Bowl so much.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

We've seen so much stuff at the Hollywood Bowl. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

I love it.

unknown 21:04

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

It's such a great place.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Oh, the new season's just come out.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Yes. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Yeah, Paul Simon's because.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

I think it opens January the 6th, uh June the 6th.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

What's that? The music of Wes Anderson films. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

That's got to be on the list. That was a long night.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

Yeah, we all had a long night, wasn't it? It's like it sounded like a good idea at the time. Oh, we saw Ricky Travis there. We saw Ricky Travis there, we've seen Dolly, we've seen Culture Club, we've seen Durandra, I saw Liza.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

I never saw them. I never saw Culture Club. I didn't do the 80s thing, no.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Oh, fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

No.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

Saw Aerosmith. I saw Aerosmith. Yeah. I went to see Moody Blues with my mum and dad, and we've got a box down in front of Van Club.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Your favourite, Van Morrison?

SPEAKER_01 21:43

I might see Van Morrison. Oh, he was nasty too. Oh my god. Dreadful.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

But you know, the only good thing he was with Tom Jones.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

That was the worst thing they could have possibly done because they had Tom Jones on as the opening act. Tom Jones is the opening act. I mean, he was like a supporting act. Tom Jones comes out, he's actually. Oh, especially chatting, you know, what's new puscat and everything. And Delilah, of course. Delilah. And then um and then Van Morrison comes out, and the mood went like sucked all the air out of the entire room. Space.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

People left.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

And if people left. And I remember saying to my mum, shall we go? And and No, we didn't leave. I said, I says, all these people are leaving. And she goes, Well, maybe they're going to the bathroom. I said, Well, not, but if you notice, none of them are coming back. Tom comes back on again. There's a couple of, you know, what we want it to be. Tom songs.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Sex bomb. Sex bombs.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Bomb, sex bomb. Walks off again, on comes Van shuffling on and moaning a bit more.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

I know, moaned, moaned a lot.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Yeah, moaned a lot, and uh, so we got the hell out of there. That was my worst Hollywood bowl experience.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Yeah, but Hollywood Bowl, yeah. Anyway, that's starting up soon, nearly a month away or so.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

We'll be back.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Yeah, we'll be back 100%, babe.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

James calling you for tickets. Any restaurant experience?

SPEAKER_01 22:52

I the the lunch I had the other day was at the um Earth Cafe, and I always knew of the Earth Earth U R T H URTH Earth. I always knew of the Earth Cafe on Melrose, and it's always busy and it's always cool, but it's always packed. And then uh my friend said to go to the one on Beverly, which is Beverly Drive, not Beverly Boulevard. And I said, Okay, never been there. And I went to that one. I didn't realise it was more than one, but I think it's like three or four.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

But they are such a cool little spot. Yeah. You know, just like uh for a lunch or a coffee or whatever. I don't know, you know, I don't know if you go for dinner, maybe you do, but like, you know, it's not quite the ivy, but it's kind of this cool Hollywood spot. Yeah. And there are more than one. And I would say if you are in Hollywood or in in the LA area, Beverly Hills or whatever, go to Earth Cafe and get a Beverly Drive one in particular.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Cake and Earth's so pretty. The little outside. It's a nice little street, isn't it? Beverly Drive.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Yeah. Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Really good for people watching.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

So yeah. Earth Cafe.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

Beautiful. And I'm gonna throw, you're not gonna throw any which we haven't done for a while, a book.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

Throw a book in.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

I'm gonna throw a book in. Do it, bam, do it. I am. Lena Dunham released her book this last week now. Um it's called Fame Sick the Memoir, and it is brilliant. It is brilliant. So everybody go get it. I've got it on audio so I can listen to it at the gym, listen to it in my car. I love it. I love it. I'm sure and she's uh I'm I'm only like, you know, I don't know, an hour or so in, I suppose, two hours in. And um, yeah. It's it's main it's it's a little bit about her childhood, but it's mainly about when she uh uh what happened to her after Tiny Furniture, the movie, and how everything just happened for her so quickly and just i i I mean, did you ever watch Girls?

SPEAKER_01 24:35

No.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Okay. Great classic, classic TV, girls, brilliant, came out in 2012. So can that be a classic? Yes, we can call that classic. We'll call that classic. Um if you've watched Girls, you know exactly everything she's talking about, and you kind of are on the journey with her. So she's starting right at the beginning, and you know, and how she got HBO and it's just brilliant. It's such a good read. And she's she reads it if you want to uh get the audio. Um yeah, so entertaining.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

She came about at the perfect time, didn't she?

SPEAKER_00 25:07

It was it was like she was literally it was the perfect storm of everything together with what she did and that everything hit. She was 23. She was 23 when she got when she started doing girls. 23. But she is as she is, and I don't like to word use the word crazy, but in this in a good way, she is as uh uh just basically her character was her. Everything that she's put into that character, Hannah, from Girls, is her. It's her own experiences. That's why it landed so well. Because it was real, you know, to her. Yeah. Anyway, have a re how have a listen or a read of that. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

Any shout-outs this week? I I'm gonna um I'm gonna say, I wanna give a bit of a shout-out to the old Pope.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Oh, you are, babe? Yeah. Oh, I love it. Good for you.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

I'm not Catholic, but I'm Catholic. Good, good, you know. I mean, he's uh old Popey. You know, he's getting he's he's under a lot of unnecessary kind of I don't know about attacks, but he's getting crazy. Oh yeah, very hundreds of attacks, but he's getting criticism and it's like is the Pope, let the Pope do the Pope thing, you know? And so, you know, he's maintaining, and as as you would expect, he's maintaining kind of grace and he's maintaining his kind of, you know, he's not getting down and dirty, he's just saying what's what, and and I and I admire the man. I think he's you know he's the Pope for Christ's sake. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Yeah, it's being a peace being a peacemaker. That's what he should be being.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Not only is he getting attacked, but people are putting words in his mouth. Yeah, they're attributing things to him that he never said.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

He never said.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Yeah, he never said, so I'm gonna I'm gonna um give a shout out to old Popey.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Yeah, Pope Leo.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Yeah, Pope Leo. Love it. But you know what I'm gonna give a shout out to? Um and I'm talking about myself here more than as well. It's a shame, let's do better. Learn about Tourette's if you if you have if you don't even see the movie, just go on bloody Google and just just understand what that is.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

And you know, and then we I feel so you know what's the w the just not to go real back into it, but the thought of because now once I saw the film and you're in his life and you you know you've been through this life with him and and all the things he had to go through. And then I think of the BAFTAs when that happened, and I know now, knowing the man that he is, how how d devastating that must have been for him when he did that. Devastating.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

SNL did a parody, didn't they, and got a lot of criticism for it. They took they did like some Did you know that?

SPEAKER_00 27:45

No.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

You know the guy you know the um oh my god, what's it called? The the the hockey the two gay guys in the hockey series.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Oh yeah, rivalry. He did rivalry.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

He did rivalry. They were on, or one of them was on SNL hosting, and they did a skit with him ple with him and it was a whole Tourette-driven thing. Yeah, and it was like really, really, really badly received. Straight after Bachters, yeah, and it was like really badly received.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

And yeah, yeah. That's uh that's a shame. Let's do better. Yeah, you go. It's a shame, let's do better. Yeah, let's do better in understanding and understanding people of all different, you know. Because understanding leads to compassion and yeah, yeah, and that makes it all the better for the thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

There is a kind of comical aspect to it. It's it's a thing that you could laugh at, but when you understand what these poor people are going through, no, it's you know, so you're saying is what you're saying is understand what you're doing. Understand it.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Just understand it, just learn about it and understand it. That's all he did to change everything. He taught people, he educated people about it, and that's what turned everything around. Because people need to be educated. If you don't know, you don't know, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

All right. Oh, who made the pull a card?

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Pull a card.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Who made the gem cut? We're doing the gem cut first. Oh so uh KTLA for featuring that like you know, that big dog in the park. Um my friend Mal, who I think is just great. Uh Popey.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Mal goes in, yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Popey goes in.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Pope Pope Lee, I swear, goes in. The movie. Oh no, that goes in. That should win. No wonder it won all the baths should win every Oscar. Carry on. I won't go on.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Um Earth Cafe, maybe the certainly the thing at the Cynegrill at the hot at the Roosevelt.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Oh, the Vertigo. If you've never seen Vertigo, it's great. What insane! Alfred Hitchcock. Babe, I've picked the card. How freaky is this? Yeah, that is insane, babe. Anyway, like I said, you know. So come on, then words of wisdom on the source.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

We've got to be.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

Where we are, I'm just saying where we are right now. Yeah, we don't have control over anything. So it makes sense that it keeps telling us, just go back to you, go back to you, go back to you, which is your source, just go back to yourself. Breathe. And you can only do what you can do in this world. And if you do things, be kind, be understanding, do good things every day, then that will just breed. Just go back to your source, go back to who we all are. Yeah, yeah, that will yeah, we'll breed that kind of beauty, babe. Breed that kind of beauty out into the world. Do you agree, Ross?

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Fantastic. Yeah, there. Anything else we want to say? Say thank you. We can say thank you. Thank you for our tenth episode. Did you enjoy it?

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Love it.

SPEAKER_01 30:11

Thank you to all our listeners. Uh please like and subscribe, it would be very much appreciated. Send in your viewers' choice. Send in your viewers' choice. Anything you want. Send a voicemail. Anything you want, we don't and Catherine. Yes. Pleasure doing this with you, my dear.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

You too, darling. Never a pleasure. No, sorry, no, never a chore, always a pleasure. Let me get that right.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

I think you were right the point. Always a chore.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Always a chore, never a pleasure. Oops.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

All right, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Thank you, and see you next Tuesday. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Ten fucking weeks.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

Ten weeks.