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Two Ginger Gems
Episode 14: Boots & Blunders & British Boys
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This week on Two Ginger Gems: Jeff Probst accidentally blows the Survivor finale on live TV, and the Late Show with Stephen Colbert airs its final episode, cancelled for reasons that have nothing to do with ratings and everything to do with politics. Kate has three films she cannot wait to get to cinemas — Bitter Christmas, Diamond and Dernsey — plus a new Bear one-off called Gary that will have you emotional before the final season drops on June 25th. Guaranteed Maximum Pleasure on Apple TV is a fantastic show, Boys from the Blackstuff gets a classic TV deep dive, and Primary Trust at the Mark Taper Forum is the play that had the whole audience in bits, on until June 28th. Plus Pressure starring Andrew Scott premieres May 29th, lunch at Holloway House, Minnie's Moaning Minute takes on adverts, and Kate picks Ripeness again. New mics are in, and the reason is...Brian.
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LINKS:
The Bear - Gary: https://www.hulu.com/series/gary-8c779d24-233d-4453-a22d-455a1862f913
Guaranteed Maximum Pleasure: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/maximum-pleasure-guaranteed/umc.cmc.10k6tes7rmc2ti0ho1ozgwezc
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG0HFw0edXY
Boys from the Blacktuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_from_the_Blackstuff
Alan Bennett Talking Heads: https://tv.apple.com/gb/show/alan-bennetts-talking-heads/umc.cmc.3zd1vs7iac134xer0eoiv6ha7
Cannes Rundown: https://www.screendaily.com/features/the-lowdown-on-all-the-cannes-2026-titles/5216249.article
Pressure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_(2026_film)
Coming Home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_Home_(1978_film)
Primary Trust: https://www.centertheatregroup.org/error-pages/500
Ripeness card: https://photos.app.goo.gl/5cEfePQN2zqKuMUE9
Kate's Boots: https://www.aldoshoes.com/products/revolve-dark-brown-14447787?variant=51565662077227&gclsrc=aw.ds&utm_source=google&campaign_id=23614755033&ad_id=799006367511&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=&utm_content=193100760679&utm_term=&gclid=CjwKCAjw5s_QBhAdEiwADD_gBiTMBaBdatZJcdWIsPJeM14dbeTeOOpH3Ez84H1yLZjL4WSFFF9quhoCH1kQAvD_BwE&utm_source_platform=Google+Ads&utm_id=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23614755033&gbraid=0AAAAADhZJ6_8dxs-CD-_L9-hSk8VdFx9Z
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So, James, what's coming up this week?
SPEAKER_00Well, your new booze.
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm. A blunder on live TV.
SPEAKER_00And classic 80s British TV boys. Oh, it's good. It's a good one. Enjoy.
SPEAKER_04Enjoy.
SPEAKER_01From beautiful Hollywood, California. Please welcome to Ginger Gems with Kate and James. Let's get into it. I'm like Kate. James loves it. He loves it.
SPEAKER_00Alright, Mickey.
SPEAKER_04Let's get into it, babe. Princess. I'm good at our princess.
SPEAKER_00Princess, hello, darling.
SPEAKER_04Do you see? I anticipate what you were going to say then.
SPEAKER_00I know you've got to say darling. Now it said princess.
SPEAKER_04Oh no, I didn't. I thought you said get that as a like hello. And I was like, yeah, I'm good. I know you didn't say I'm good. I totally anticipated. Anyway, well, yes, I'm very good, babe. Look at these.
SPEAKER_00What's that?
SPEAKER_04Boots. Oh, new boots, everyone. These are the I'm so in love with these boots. I can't. And you know what? They're the most comfortable boots I've ever had. I will link them below. Carry on. Now hang on, babe. Hang on, babe. Wasn't it the uh survival final?
SPEAKER_00Survivor finale on Wednesday, yes it was. And it was really good. I uh uh no, I'm not really that happy. It was like probably what I feel is like probably maybe deserving, but probably the most one of the most boring contestants won. I wasn't that impressed. Oh my god. But there was a bit of a mess up which was quite good because uh bit of a kerfuffle. Bit of a cuff. Well, it was there was a uh it's a live show, obviously. And you and I do live shows, so we're kind of used to this and we know understand it. But there was a uh there were four contestants left, and it was a big build-up as to which one was gonna get eliminated. And they were showing the pre-taped segments as they built up and built up to this big kind of final um challenge to see who was gonna be eliminated. And before they went to it, they went live to the studio and Jeff brought this kid out and said, Oh, so and so, this is you know, you know this guy, right? Well, he didn't make it, I'll go and sit down. And everyone's like, and he said, What? Jeff was like, What happened? They said they haven't showed it yet. Oh and he's like, Oh, um, and he goes, 'Uh, you gotta love live TV, let's go to commercial.' And he basically gave away. And so the whole build-up to this final challenge was ruined because Jeff had revealed jumped. He jumped, and I don't know. I think was it him or was it? Well, I don't think it's his fault because he was a you could tell he was reading the teleprompter. So they put the wrong act in the teleprompter. Uh, but you would have thought that Jeff would have caught it. Yeah. Because you would think, well, hang on, I can't say that because they don't know yet. So the only reason he knew is because the audience all everybody they all reacted, and the other people on stage, they kind of reacted and he kind of said, What just happened? I mean, Jeff's a pro, he's been doing this 20 years, that's the whole point of this thing of this season, 25 years. And you'd think that I would have thought he'd have caught it, but it didn't. So they'd kind of and then they had to go into the segment, and the segment was all pre-edited, and it was this big buildup all the way through of this tension leading up to the challenge and then doing the challenge. Uh, but we all knew.
SPEAKER_04Nobody had any tension because we all know. No, because we all knew we didn't. They just told us.
SPEAKER_00So we had a nice lunch the other day.
SPEAKER_04We did have a nice lunch, babe.
SPEAKER_00Okay, now I went to the chat. Oh, Holloway House.
SPEAKER_04If you're in England, no, it's not a prison.
SPEAKER_00It's uh Holloway's Women's Prison in England.
SPEAKER_04Holloway Women's Prison in England.
SPEAKER_00Used to be. Uh, but no, it was nice. Sat up on the roof and had a natter and talked about life, put the world to rights. Yeah. And uh, what else going on?
SPEAKER_04Can really good films to see, but I'm I've picked three to get excited about, right? One of them is Bit of Christmas by um uh Pedra Almadova. Is that who he's saying? Thank you, babe. Um which is um he's like our most amazing Spanish uh writer and director. And most of his films actually have Penelope Cruise in them. I don't think this one does. No, but um, yeah, he got an this sounds silly, but sometimes they have like 20-minute stand innovations after the film is shown. And this one got like nine minutes, but everybody's saying that it was great, and it's about a successful writer, director who's experiencing a creative block. Another one is Diamond with Andy Garcia, and it's a love letter to LA, which is really looking forward to this. It really looks like it's gonna be good. It also starts stars Brendan Fraser and Bill Murray, and it's um it's set in like sort of film noir, so it's all done like and he and he plays a I think it's a detective, he plays the detective, Andy Garcia, he directed it as well. So that is really great. And there was one more, what was the other one? Oh, Bruce Stern! Do you know Bruce Dern, the actor? Bruce Dern, and it's called Dernsey, which I love that it's called Dernsey. That's so cute. Um, amazing life of Bruce Dern. And he's 89 years old. He's been in, if you saw a picture of him, baby, you'd know he's been in every bloody movie, he's been in one of my favourite movies that was mentioned on here before, Coming Home, which is amazing in that. That got a huge ovation. He's the dad of Laura Dern. The actress Laura Bernard is a lot of the things.
SPEAKER_01He's on the new season of White Lotus.
SPEAKER_04Is he on the new season of White Lotus? Oh, she is, yeah. She's on the new season of White Lotus because Helena Bonham Carter.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I don't know what they say, dropped out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know if it dropped out, got fired.
SPEAKER_04Some sort of disagreement happened, some sort of disagreement about her character in it happened.
SPEAKER_01Creative differences.
SPEAKER_04Creative differences, they said, between her and um Mike White. Helena Bonham Carter! Who can get rid of Helena Bonham? Anyway, they rewrote the whole part completely, and Laura Dane came in. Is Mike tell me who Mike White is. Mike White is an actor, but he's also a writer and a direct he writes White Lotus and directs.
SPEAKER_00You know, you know that he was a contestant on Survivor. He was on this season.
SPEAKER_04He was on this season.
SPEAKER_00He came back, they stopped White Lotus so he could go back on Survivor.
SPEAKER_04Do you know, do you know that a lot of the contestants on um uh Survivor have been on White Lotus because he brings them in?
SPEAKER_00I'm not surprised. He loves Survivor. He was on Survivor years ago, and then they because this was the 50th season and they brought uh everyone back, not everyone, but like a bunch of them back. He was one of them that did it, and he was like, There's no way I was no matter what, you know, as successful as he is now with White Lotus, he says, There's no way I was gonna miss out on Survivor. So he came back to Survivor, so they paused White Lotus while he went on to Survivor.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I can't believe that, babe.
SPEAKER_00And at the finale, they had all the uh the cast back except him. He was there on location and he was like, We're we're filming White Lotus, so that he was on by satellite, you know, by satellite, is that what they do anymore? But anyway, he was on a TV.
SPEAKER_04Zoom. He was on via Zoom. Oh my god, yeah, so that so yeah, there's been some great films there, but they were my they're my three picks of what I you know what I saw them showing. Yeah, I think that I'm really excited about that. And to tell you what else I'm excited about, which I just saw was Gary, it's called Gary. Gary's Indiana.
SPEAKER_01That's the name of the episode, yeah. Gary Indiana. Indiana. Sort of outside Chicago.
SPEAKER_04And it's uh it's a spin-off from The Bear, right? And it's two of the characters, Mikey, who's the brother who committed suicide. So we only see him in flashbacks on The Bear. And it's so it is a flashback, but it's a whole series, a whole uh episode of it. And Richie, who plays cousin, and they go off, they're doing something for what's he called?
SPEAKER_01The bloke uh the bloke who um their uncle, Uncle Jimmy.
SPEAKER_04Uncle Jimmy, Uncle Jimmy, a bit of a bit of a gangster, a bit of a you know, you put money into the restaurant and there's always a bit of trouble with him. Who plays him? Oliver Platt.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Oh, he's fantastic.
SPEAKER_04Um, but uh yeah, so they're going off to do a little, I don't know, job for him. And they go off to Gary, Indiana, to do this job, and it's one episode. And it's really good, isn't it? Yeah, it's really good. It's very emotional. It's really emotional, and it's really good, and it's kind of building up because the new season starts in June.
SPEAKER_01June 25th.
SPEAKER_04June 25th of the Bear, which is the final season they're doing. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. Oh, but it's so good. I mean, it to be fair, the first ep the first season was amazing. Uh the second probably is it's got kind of up and down, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01With the things, but it's always great, but some of them are like absolutely pieces of phenomenal pieces.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is a little sight thing, and there's an actress in it that I just want to mention. Her name is Marin Island, and she is so bloody good. She was in The Devil in Disguise, which was about John Wayne Gacy. John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer, and she played the mother of one of the boys who got killed.
SPEAKER_01The first boy who got killed.
SPEAKER_04The first boy who got killed. Or foot one. No, no, no. It's not the first boy who got killed. There was loads of bodies already under there, babe. Basically, one that started the ball.
SPEAKER_00We do tend to start our kind of podcast with series.
SPEAKER_04Murders, serial killers, anything, yeah, anything like that. We like that.
SPEAKER_00Keep it light.
SPEAKER_04Keep it, keep it light, but he's the one who dressed up as a clown.
SPEAKER_00Oh, right.
SPEAKER_04Oh, or paint it clowns and then dressed as clown. Yeah. It's it's that's the most frustrating thing ever. Yeah. I honestly think that's why a lot of people have clown like phobia phobia.
SPEAKER_01And speaking of phobia, what? Triskodecophobia. We talked we talked about Triskodecophobia. We talked about this a little bit last week. We did talk about it.
SPEAKER_04Right, please go and tell us all about this because this is amazing. I can't believe this. And I only found this out last week and I've known him for 20 years.
SPEAKER_00I don't think I've ever met anyone else that has this. I've never heard of it. Really? I don't think so. I what they're getting at is uh last week I I I hadn't uh mentioned that I have a fear of the number 13.
SPEAKER_04I can't believe it. Carry on.
SPEAKER_00And I avoid number 13 at all costs. I if it's I I just always, if it's uh 13 minutes to the hour, I don't I I will make sure I'm awake until it's 12 minutes to the hour. I don't go to bed at 13 minutes left in the day, in the hour. If it's 13 minutes past the hour, I don't get up. I wait till it's at least 14 so I can get up because I don't want to start the day on a 13. Um I don't listen to track 13 on a CD, even though we don't have CDs anymore. I'm like freakily weird about 13 minutes.
SPEAKER_04Do you literally go outside the house on the 13th?
SPEAKER_00I don't like the 13th, but if there is a 13, if there's a 13 anywhere, I avoid it. If it's like very much one of the things I was telling was like as a as a production designer, uh in all in the 20 odd, 30 odd years that I've been doing production design, not one of my measurements on any of my sets was 13. It's never 13 feet, it's never 13 inches, everything. I always make sure if it if I think oh, this should be this big and it's 13 feet, I grow it to th to 14 or take it down to 12.6. I never do 13 on any 2013. Must have been a hard year for you. Um I don't want to talk about it.
SPEAKER_04I can see you. That's why I wondered what happened to you that year.
SPEAKER_00You were missing it. There's James Room pretending they were serious.
SPEAKER_04I was all the curtains playing.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, I have I've always had been missing. What's it called again?
SPEAKER_04What's it called again?
SPEAKER_00Triska Decaphobia. Triskadecophobia, so three ten.
SPEAKER_04That's something I've never heard of. How can you not have heard that? I have never heard I know people who don't like the number 13.
SPEAKER_00Well, they are then, but that's what it is.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but it's like it's unlucky. People say, Oh, that's unlucky, a black cat, oh that's unlucky. But I've never heard somebody who's missed. I leave my TV on.
SPEAKER_00You're like I leave my TV on for the dogs when I'm not at the house. And I always turn the volume down because I don't want it too loud to annoy, but just 13. And it's it always goes either to 14 or 12. Because it's 13 is sadly around about the the right volume I want it to be, but I can't let it sit on 13, I take it down to 12, 12 to 14.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00I just avoid 13.
SPEAKER_04I bet a lot of people wouldn't have heard of that because unless I'm just one month. I think a lot of people, I think 13th. There's probably a lot of people that have it, that we don't really build that. I think you should start a clean.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. But they they take the 13 off. So it's like, you know, that goes from 12 to 14. So 14 in is in fact the 13th floor. Yeah. But they used to think, you know what?
SPEAKER_04I used to think it was because they didn't want anyone to jump up, jump out of that that floor. But they thought more people do that. Jump out like 13. Yeah, because it's unlucky and they want to finish their life. You know? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Another cheerful angle to it for the for the podcast. We're here to cheer you up, folks.
SPEAKER_04I love it. This one's really gonna be like the like yes, go on, talking about podcasts.
SPEAKER_00We have new mics.
SPEAKER_04We have new mics, yeah. And what's the reason that we've got new mics, babe?
SPEAKER_00The reason is Brian Brian Reason, who is a good friend of ours who we've known for many, many years, uh, has been moaning about the audio on our podcast. He's the moaning mini this year. He's the moaning mini this week. He's the moaning mini this week.
SPEAKER_04Actually, he's the moan. We should get him to do a do a moan about it. No. We I I'm gonna do that. And we've put him one one week he can be moaning mini. Okay. We'll we'll record him. He's been moaning about the mics.
SPEAKER_00So well, he won't need to moaning, yeah, but he can forward. Eddie Eddie and Ross have been diligently working all week.
SPEAKER_04Yes, and have people have two new mics.
SPEAKER_00So we have mics. So uh so hopefully this sounds better.
SPEAKER_04Brian thinks I sound like I was in the toilet. Yeah, he's so but then again, I might have been at one point. You might have been in the toilet.
SPEAKER_01The Dulcitones. Yeah, the Dulcitone camera.
SPEAKER_04I know. Well, he's also got PTSD from having me in his ear for 20 years.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, probably that's right. KCAD, so Brian has cameras has to listen to Kate talking. So it's probably just yeah, probably that's probably what it is. It's probably some sort of stress.
SPEAKER_04Because that's what he's already done. Like when I'm on when we're on Dancing with the Stars, he thinks, oh, if I imagine she's like somewhere in a toilet, I can't hear her so well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So he stopped listening to our podcast because he says, Oh, I can't listen to it. And I don't know if it would maybe it was nothing to do with audio, it was just content.
SPEAKER_03Probably both.
SPEAKER_00I've listened to these two for 20 years. Do I have to listen to it or not?
SPEAKER_03Listen anymore. Anyway, so that was good.
SPEAKER_00So while we're on, let's uh thank all the people who listen to our podcast.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_00Uh, with our new mics. Uh there will be more. Uh but uh thank you for listening. And uh please like and subscribe and subscribe. We always send in your viewers' choices, send us a message to ginger gems and gmail.com.com.
SPEAKER_04Follow us on Instagram. Yep, GingerGems. And as James loves to say, smash that like.
SPEAKER_01Is that what he likes to say? I don't think he hates it.
SPEAKER_00When you see any reality show like Survivor, not so much about Survivor, but like traitors or whatever, when they do a challenge, oh my god, he smashed it. Oh my god, he smashed it.
SPEAKER_04You don't like that word. I hate that word. Oh, it's not just smash the like, it's the word smash you don't like.
SPEAKER_00It's like you smashed that. You killed it. Yeah, killed it. That's better. Oh, you don't like killed, but not smashed. Again, going back to our theme.
SPEAKER_04What about when what's the what's the mashed potato thing?
SPEAKER_00I mean mash get smashed potatoes. For mash get smashed.
SPEAKER_04For mash get smashed. Did you hate that as well, babe? Not quite like that.
SPEAKER_00What about smash? I love those old like a smash burger. Smash burger's pretty good. I wonder smash is fine. The word smash is fine when it's used in its right contents, but not smashed it. For mash get smashed, there used to be this like horrible thing in England that you used to buy. And it was instant mashed potatoes, and it was a packet of dried potatoes that you put it. It called smash, and you pour hot water in it, mixed it up, and it made this like gloopy thing that someone claimed was mashed potatoes. That sounds like a military type of thing. Yeah, it was like probably a post-war thing, but the the advert was like these little weird aliens, weren't it?
SPEAKER_03These little yeah, these aliens with like they go, they they smashed them and they mashed them like that. We'd be like, didn't they? They mashed them and they smashed them. Yeah. You remember that?
SPEAKER_00Well I never realised, but that's that's that's why I didn't always seem familiar to me. You remind me of the smash alien.
SPEAKER_01We couldn't have a rabbit hold of things you've never heard of. So Colbert, he's someone American, didn't you?
SPEAKER_04Uh Colbert, baby.
SPEAKER_01Colbert, there's a wee, there's a wee man. Oh, wait, he's American, right? Not Canadian, just want to make sure.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I think he's Canadian.
SPEAKER_01Oh, is he? Anyway. Whatever.
SPEAKER_04So the other Thursday was the last he's very nice, so he's probably he's probably Canadian. Come on.
SPEAKER_00Thursday was the last uh late show, which uh is very sad. I think. I think it's a bit of a real kind of like Why?
SPEAKER_04Well Why have they stopped it?
SPEAKER_00CBS Arseuls. Oh, okay. Now it's not his choice, basically. No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I didn't know anything about this.
SPEAKER_00CBS um were trying to do a merger and it needed government approval.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
unknownOh.
SPEAKER_00And so CBS has removed the highest rated late-night talk show. So the government because of ratings and finance. Yeah, claiming they were losing money. Claiming that they were losing money. Yeah, they're the highest rated one. He is the also the most vocal critic of government.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, along with working.
SPEAKER_00And so to get government approval for the merger, they had to play nice. So one, they just paid out like a massive payout to the government as a to some sort of there was something or other that they had to do. CBS. The government accused CBS or something, so CBS paid them off. And there was a lot of problems with that that they were saying that I should have.
SPEAKER_01Wasn't it like a 60-minute interview or something?
SPEAKER_0060 minutes, yeah, that they had to pay off, like you know, to kind of appease certain someone, and there was a lot of criticism that they shouldn't have done it. Then the next thing is uh they cancelled the late show, and they were saying, Well, what's the reason? They still finance us because we're not because of low ratings. Yeah, it gets higher ratings than any other late night tour show. And the late night tour shows are all kind of losing figures, as all networkers, but this was an absolute um response to you know, you know who would I'd basically say to get rid of it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was it was full of revenge, it was vengeful.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. So it was Thursday was the last one, his very last guest was Paul McCartney because he's in the Ed Sullivan, he's in the Ed Sullivan Theatre, and so they had McCartney on, and he was talking about when the Beatles were in the Ed Sullivan show in the Ed Sullivan Theatre. So it was kind of cool to have um McCartney on, and then at the end of it, they sung um You said goodbye and I say hello.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_00So McCartney sang that on stage, and everybody everybody that worked on the show all came down onto the stage. So there, so McCartney was singing. There was um what's his name was there as well. Uh Elvis Costello, there was like three or four people there, but he was the one I knew. Um, and they were singing, then like oddly, Colbert was there as like a backup singer, but he seemed like he could sing. And but McCartney's there singing, singing, and then they all came down and like filled the set, all the people who worked on the show, and it was poignant, it was sad, it was unnecessary, yeah, and yet it reminded you all these people just lost their jobs through one man's petty, kind of like thin skin. Yeah, so all these like there were hundreds of people on stage, and you know, this show has been running obviously obviously it was a Letterman show first, but it's like been you know, must be he's been on it for 12 years. Letterman must have been on it for 20. So it's got a 30-plus year long show, the late show, and now it's just gone because of you know, pandering to won't anybody don't you think someone will pick it up? Well, I don't know if somebody will Colbert will go be fine, he'll go somewhere.
SPEAKER_01But can I he just did a local he just did a local show in uh in Michigan, I think Monroe County in Michigan? Yeah, there was some kind of Eminem and uh a couple other people.
SPEAKER_04Can I just put this out there? Go on, don't seeing as he he's got a little bit of time on his hands. That's where the stars. Don't you think so?
SPEAKER_00Fantastic.
SPEAKER_04Fantastic. Well, wouldn't he be fantastic? And he'd probably be a great dad sack. She's got to be. Steven, I'm gonna start a petition.
SPEAKER_00Dina, call Steven.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Dina call Stephen.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we should have T-shirts.
SPEAKER_04T-shirts.
SPEAKER_00We could say we're wearing them right now. We are wearing them right now. We're wearing them right now.
SPEAKER_04My God, let's do it. But it was it was I think he would do it.
SPEAKER_00I think he's I'm so much fun.
SPEAKER_04And I bet he would be brilliant. Can you imagine in ballroom dancing?
SPEAKER_00I bet he would be really suave and I think Colbert's a class act, so I think it's a shame that uh class act. No, it's fucking infuriating. Yeah, it is what's happening. But it shouldn't have happened.
SPEAKER_04Oh, oh, oh, and can you imagine as a judge on it?
SPEAKER_00Like a guest judge. But what do you know about ballroom dancing?
SPEAKER_04What do any of the guest judges? Just purely based on aesthetics.
SPEAKER_00Good point.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we've had loads of people on the event. Yeah, it'd be great.
SPEAKER_01Stephen, if you're listening.
SPEAKER_04Stephen, if you're listening, come on as a guest if you don't want to dance. So that was a shame. If you want to dance, come on as a contestant. Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_00It's it's a more a little bit, this variety television is our world, and it's just like there's enough going on with shows moving to other countries, and then not just that, like no shows happening. No shows happening, then for a show to be cancelled purely for political reasons. That's leaning towards authoritarianism and fascism.
SPEAKER_01I mean, that's just completely and that's not hyperbole, so whatever. You know, hundreds of people losing money over it.
SPEAKER_03New show for the next pleasure.
SPEAKER_00And then uh just and then uh he who should not be named posted a an AI video of him walking onto Colbert's set, lifting Colbert up and throwing him in a dumpster. I mean, come on, grow up. We can't. We are gonna take a break.
SPEAKER_01I'm getting off that subject. Is this where we have a theme? Where we have our silent thing? Yeah, this is where we have our guaranteed maximum pleasure.
SPEAKER_04That's something you can move on to pleasure. Yeah, maximum pleasure. Get on it. Apple TV. It is brilliant. It is brilliant. It's about this woman. What's her name, babe? Titania Masolini. Masolini. Anyway, yes, whatever. Titania.
SPEAKER_01Titania. Tatania. Tatiana Maslani.
SPEAKER_04There you go. Um fantastic.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, really good.
SPEAKER_04Really. I don't I've never seen this actress before. No. Apparently she's been around for a while. She's Canadian and she's done quite a lot of stuff, but some stuff I hadn't seen, and I was like, wow, this girl is really good. She plays the lead. It's um I don't want to give away too much of the story. Yeah. She's divorced from her husband. She has a kid. She's she works in a magazine. She's a fact check, yeah. She's a fact checker. Um she goes home at night, she has to take away food, and she logs into um what do they call it?
SPEAKER_01Uh it's like a cam site.
SPEAKER_04Cam site.
SPEAKER_01Cam site.
SPEAKER_04With an yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, she so she's talking to some guy.
SPEAKER_04Some guy.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_04Nice looking youngish guy. And Max.
SPEAKER_01And the things that in the that happen from there. Yeah. Giving too much away.
SPEAKER_04Without giving too much, I'm not saying any more than that.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_04But then this turns into something.
SPEAKER_01It spirals and snowballs.
SPEAKER_04Spirals. Um, and it only I think it came out last week. Yeah, there's only two episodes up at the moment. It's one of the ones where you're gonna have to watch it once a week, it's not gonna be a download of everything unless you wait, and then you can binge it. So good.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Apple TV comes out on Wednesdays. Apple TV comes out on Wednesdays.
SPEAKER_04There's 10 episodes, and yes, get on it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's right.
SPEAKER_04Get on it. And a classic TV?
SPEAKER_00Classic TV. We talk well, why were we talking about this the other day? But we were talking about um somehow this came up.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. There was a show probably it's probably sort of running with the widows, isn't it? With Widows. You know I think it was back in like the 80s.
SPEAKER_00We talked about Widows the other day and we talked about Dolly Rollins. Yes. And the one thing I forgot to mention is my dog. You called your dog Dolly. My dog is called Dolly. My little boxer dog, my little girl. She's called Dolly Rollins. Named after Dolly Rollins, but we're talking about Dolly Ross. Yeah, anyway. Widows was out in the 80s. We talked about that. Around about the same time as that, maybe a little earlier, was a show called H2 was a show called Boys from the Black Stuff.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_00And it was a really gritty series. Alan Bleasdale. Alan Bleasdale. Yeah. And it was about people. It was about a group of uh characters who were not working.
SPEAKER_04And it was like during all the lay the false uh the asphalt.
SPEAKER_00The asphalt. Yeah, that's why the black stuff.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the tarmatic. And it was they're all out of work.
SPEAKER_00And the lead character was very the whole Thatcher time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, oh, it's the whole Thatcher kind of like thing.
SPEAKER_00It was very, very political, but it was like really everyone was when everyone was really, really pissed off. Was it the Whiskers when was the Winter of Discontent? That was earlier, wasn't it? Anyway, there was the main character was a character called Yaza Hughes.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_00Played by Bernard. Bernard Hill. Played by a very thick mustache.
SPEAKER_02Oh had a very thick mustache.
SPEAKER_00If you don't know who Bernard Hill was, uh he by for some brand random reason he ended up being he played Edward Smith, the captain in the movie Titanic. Yeah. And he dated Kathy Bates for a while. And he's he passed away a couple of years ago.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I didn't know he'd passed away.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, about four years ago. Oh but his character, Yazza Hughes, had a his he would follow people around and say, Give us a job. Give us a job. I can deal with it.
SPEAKER_04Well, he basically he got I mean he went in a little mental mental illness.
SPEAKER_00And he got kids, and he was like this really good character, but he was like a proper northern working class hero, but he was this poor, downtrodden dude. Um I think if you've ever seen The Crown, and there's an episode where there's a guy called uh Michael Fagan breaks into the Queen's bedroom. He's kind of like that guy, he's the guy that everything goes wrong, he's trying his best, but everything is going wrong, and his wife leaves it. Everything goes wrong, and he's kind of like that character, but he his thing gives a job became this like anthem for all of us.
SPEAKER_04There was an old people striking jobs and batch of time, it was all right.
SPEAKER_00But anyway, if you can find Boys from the Black stuff, it's again, it's five episodes.
SPEAKER_04We looked it up, babe. Okay, you can actually hit watch it. So what's the black stuff?
SPEAKER_00Very pretty, very hard-hitting, and it was very good actors, really good actors.
SPEAKER_04Julie Walters is in it, plays the wife. She won awards for it. Not Hopiosta's wife. She she's absolutely fantastic. It's this one scene where she goes crazy at her husband, just loses it, and it's on Apple TV. It's on Apple TV.
SPEAKER_00Can you kind of relate to having uh Crazy Wife?
SPEAKER_01Oh, let me think.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, anything that might yeah, all right.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, fantastic, fantastic, won loads of awards. I mean it keeps life interesting. Yeah, I'll be right back.
SPEAKER_04That doesn't sound like in a good way, did it? No. It keeps life interesting. It doesn't sound sound a bit tortured, a bit tortured, babe. But if you um if you wanted like Alan Bleesdale was amazing, writer uh writer, but in England we had like Alan Bleisdale, we had uh we have uh Mike Lee, yeah, and we have um uh what's it uh Willie Russell, and those three write working classes. Who was the old plays?
SPEAKER_00Who was the guy really the old lady in the van? What was his name?
SPEAKER_04Oh uh Alan Um Alan Bennett. Alan Bennett, yeah. He was good. That's another one. Alan Bennett's. He's not your working class one, though, is he? But he's does that. He does, yeah. He does those ones, you kitty. Have you ever seen Kitty? Oh, what's she called from Mrs. Bouquet? Patricia Routledge. Patricia Routledge. She does a whole series of his, like they're very long monologues, aren't they? This is like one one person plays, basically. She sits in a chair, Thora Heard. She did some. Remember Thora Heard, she did some. She's brilliant.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, it wasn't Thora Heard, it was Cat, it was Beryl Reed.
SPEAKER_04Beryl Reed, she was crazy. These are really old, old actors from England. But they re-um, what can I say? They remade them, babe, recently with modern actors, all of those Alan Bennett ones, yeah. Because um Julie Walters did one and Jodie Coma repeated it. She did the same one Julie Wallace did in like the 80s. Oh, it's really good. Well, when we put those all in the Alan Bennett plays, they're really, really good. Um yeah. Talking about theatre, we went to the theatre this week, babe.
SPEAKER_00How was that?
SPEAKER_04And look at it, no interest. And we saw Primary Trust uh written by Ebony Booth and it's at the Mark Taper. And the the lead bloke is called Petey McGee. And did we cry? Did I I don't think I've ever I had I hate to be very graphic. I had snot coming down my face.
SPEAKER_00It was so it was to be fair, you would do most weeks.
SPEAKER_04No I don't you know I mean I'm not it was so why was it so like the whole audience were sniveling, weren't they?
SPEAKER_01The whole thing there was a lot of crying, yeah.
SPEAKER_04There was a lot of crying because it was it was about it's about this Pulitzer Prize winner for drama 2024. Yeah, won the Pulitzer Prize in 2024. This play, it's so beautifully done. And when I was watching it, I was thinking this would make the most gorgeous small film. Just a really small little film. So anybody who go and see it, please go and see it. Mark Taper, I think it's on till end of June, is it, babe? And yeah, it's been on a little while now, but it is so beautiful, it's about a man who has an imaginary friend and it he's had a due to horrific reasons, due to horrific reasons.
SPEAKER_01And that's where all the crying comes in.
SPEAKER_04And that yeah, and you're just watching it and you want him to win, you want him to win every time, and it's just do you know when it's it's on through June 28th. Oh god, June 28th, please, please, please go and see this beautiful little play. It's stunning, and let's hope that somebody makes a film out of it. Because someone's probably already got it. A little independent film.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we could do it.
SPEAKER_04We have to get some money, babe.
SPEAKER_01Gotta get the right.
SPEAKER_04That's what we say was some Ross. Ross, come on, Ross. If anybody's listening to this and they want to do a little short, a little make a short of it too, actually. You could you could do a short for it. Um, make a little independent film, I think this would be a really, really good project. And talking about that, actually, I'm gonna push myself here. I talked about Willie Russell who did Shirley Valentine.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04If anybody wants to do Shirley Valentine at the theatre, Sheridan Smith did it recently in the West End. Oh, really? Yeah, it was brilliant. Um, yes, call me because I want to do Shirley Valentine in a little theatre here. I think it would be amazing. Because that hasn't been around for a while, Shirley Valentine. They did uh Educate him Rita. Right. They did that about ten years ago at uh Gary Marshall's theatre, I think it was. Okay. But yeah, let's get let's get um let's get Shirley Valentine up. Um yeah, yeah, I think that's that's the theatre. That's the theatre.
SPEAKER_01Well, we did see a movie this week. Oh yeah, what do you see?
SPEAKER_04Oh pressure.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_04World War II, right? Andrew Scott. Right. I was thinking, was it World War I or two? Two. It was two, yes, yeah. Of course it was two, it was D-Day. Um really good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Really good. Andrew Scott, Brendan Fraser, yeah. But a the top meteorologist who has to basically decide when D-Day is gonna be based on the weather. On the weather. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So you've got set in England, you've got the American uh Brendan Fraser plays Eisenhower.
SPEAKER_01Eisenhower. Oh, really?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Brendan Fraser Fraser Eisenhower.
SPEAKER_01He was really good.
SPEAKER_04Winston Churchill tells Eisenhower that he has to have this meteor meteorologist who's played by Andrew Scott, who's English. He said, You have to have him to do your weather.
SPEAKER_01Group Captain James Stagg.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, group captain James Stagg. And uh um Eisenhower has got his man, his American man, who he's always used, but they use different theories and they bring them both together and they clash. And it's really, I mean, although everybody knows how you kind of know what the outcome is of what's gonna happen, but the the fact that, you know, how they both fought for their belief of what was gonna happen to the weather, and how really we don't know, you know. So none of neither of them can say, absolutely 100%, I know this is gonna happen, you know, and you f and it honestly that it was the difference between thousands of lives being a lot of people. Yeah, the fact that the invasion is decorated by that fucking chills, such as saying that it's so good called Pressure. Andrew Scott is amazing, as it is in the world.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, premiere is May 29th. Go see it, it was really good. Yeah, Premier. And you learn some interesting facts about World War II and and how D-Day happened.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Do you like war movies?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I do, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you're gonna love this one, babe. You really are, and it's done so well. The director has got I didn't even know the director, um, but it's directed beautifully, isn't it, babe?
SPEAKER_01Oh man, I'll tell you what, to make that much tension out of weather.
SPEAKER_04Yes, yeah, basically. It was I mean, English people are gonna love it, but it's really, really good. It's gonna be popular in England. We love the weather, but yeah, it's really it's really heartfelt, isn't it? Yeah, and it's true, completely true story. And what was the the quote at the end from uh Eisenhower? They said, How did you win the war?
SPEAKER_01Oh, we uh we had better meteorologists and they did some paraphrasing, something like that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we have better meteorologists than the than the Germans. That's really what it actually went down to. Yeah, that war whether we came down to just like a little break in the weather. With their with the weather, and then they do eventually sort of make it all work together. It's amazing, amazing pressure. I think that might be up for some awards when it comes up.
SPEAKER_01So, Minnie, are you gonna moan?
SPEAKER_04Oh, Minnie Moy Money Minnie, Moni Minnie's minute.
SPEAKER_00Let me start. Let me get Kate. Kate's forgot her phone today, so she's using my game.
SPEAKER_04That's what I did last week, too. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Countdown.
SPEAKER_04Three, two, one, go.
SPEAKER_00Annoying adverts. More and more, I know that they have to exist, and I know that's how everyone gets their revenue, but it's now, no matter where you go, you're bombarded with adverts. You used to on YouTube, every time you watch something, you have to watch an advert. And it used to be 15 seconds or 30 seconds before you could hit skip, now it's like a minute. There's like, even on like paid subscription channels that you get, like, you know, there's now adverts. Amazon is full of adverts, BritBox now has adverts, and you are constantly, our life is completely bombarded with adverts. You can't do anything without looking at the BBC News app, you go on, you watch a there's a clip, you click on it, you have to watch an advert first before you can see the clip. It's like just annoying that your life is spent waiting for something to finish before you can actually do what you want to do. And the the commodic side of this is that some across the hills from me, there was someone had a party the other week and they were playing like Spotify or something over loud speakers, and every three songs we had to listen to an advert for Ralph's because they'd obviously not pay for it. They didn't want to pay. So just in all general adverts, annoying.
SPEAKER_04Fair point, absolute fair point. Great point, in fact. Agreed.
SPEAKER_01Fair point.
SPEAKER_04Fair point, Mickey, Eddie, fair point, fair point, Ross. Fair point, yeah, Ross. There we are.
SPEAKER_01There we are. Or a spring for the premium if you're having a party.
SPEAKER_04And this is in the hills. Yeah. How much the house cost in the hills? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Too much that they can't afford to pay $14 a month for the body farm.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Could have been an apartment building. It wasn't. I know exactly which one it was. It's not an apartment building.
SPEAKER_04It's up near where James lives. He's up there with the billionaires.
SPEAKER_00Why are the billionaires? Because they don't spend the money on getting rid of the apples.
SPEAKER_02That's true. Yeah. That's true.
SPEAKER_04The richer the richer the people get everything for free or they get the five years ago.
SPEAKER_01They everything for free anyway, and they don't want to spend a penny. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Not even a taxi ride, babe.
SPEAKER_01We know some people like that. Oh no. Okay. So pull a card, man. Pull a card on the card.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna pick a card. I feel I can feel something brewing in the air this time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, shut the fuck up.
SPEAKER_01It better not be something we've already had. What is it?
SPEAKER_04It's bloody ripeness again. Ripeness. Which is fantastic. Because I said I feel something brewing. What are the chances? I don't know. I keep picking the same cards. Well, it's good because ripeness is a very positive fucking card moment. If you're gonna pick a keep picking a card, you pick the sauce or you pick ripeness, you're gonna be lucky. Isn't that crazy? James picks the card, we get miser. We get guilt.
SPEAKER_00It's all ripeness, that's like older, right? Is that what ripeness is? It means it's older.
SPEAKER_04It's been no ripeness means it means you are at your peak, baby. Your prime. Your prime, basically. Your apple drops when the apple drops. Basically, you're ready for it, babe. It's you're right, you're ripe. So any any situation that comes this week, I'll give you this one there. This will be good for you.
SPEAKER_00Come on, tell us about your apple call.
SPEAKER_04If you get a call this week and they ask you to do something, you know, because in your job, you it it doesn't, it's although you're you're a set designer, it could be anything, couldn't it? But you could be in film, it could be TV, you could be doing a you know Dancing with the Stars con. A Dancing with the Stars con. You could be doing, you know, there's so many outlets to it. You could be doing interactive stuff, you know, you could be so many different things. Now, you this week you're gonna get a call about something. I can feel it. And it's gonna be something you don't usually do. And you're gonna go, oh, I don't know if not, you're gonna go like most of us. Well, we we have, you know, our little where we are, our little niche, and then we get called out a little bit out of our niche, and everybody goes, Oh shit, shit, can I do that? Can I do that? And a lot of people say no to it. But remember, you're ripe right now. You're right. Wherever you put your mind, wherever you put your hands.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Wherever you put your hands, is right.
SPEAKER_04Wherever wherever you put yourself, babe, you're just gonna be right. You're right, you're ripe for anything. So right now, as we say at the end of this card, every time we got it, time is now.
SPEAKER_01Your money, James. Your money.
SPEAKER_04Your money, your money, your money. When we watched that the other week, do you remember we talked about um you swingers? Yeah. That was filmed. We watched that the other week. Your money, exactly. Your fucking money, you don't even know it. You don't even know it. Your fucking money, you don't even know.
SPEAKER_00What's made the gem cut? What's made gem cut?
SPEAKER_04Uh oh, those three, those three kick, those three can movies. Those three can't wait for those. I'll put we'll we'll we'll Diamond, uh, Bitter, Bitter Christmas, which will probably be out of Christmas, and then um Bruce Dern. Dernsey. Oh, I love they call him Dernsey. That's so cute. Yeah, that definitely makes it.
SPEAKER_00I'll say Colbert just because he's a class ad.
SPEAKER_04No, Colbert makes it because they've just finished him as well.
SPEAKER_00No, but he's also a good guy.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and he's coming on, and he's coming on.
SPEAKER_00He's gonna be on dance with the school. He's gonna be on dancing. Might be on the podcast.
SPEAKER_04He's gonna he might come on the pod. Yeah. We don't have guests, but we've got we'll make an exception.
SPEAKER_00We'll we'll it remains to be seen whether the the new mics made the gem cut.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, well, we'll wait. We'll wait for Brian.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we'll see what he says. Brian's rating for his approval. Um, what else? Boys from the Black. Boys from the Black stuff. Guaranteed maximum pleasure for sure.
SPEAKER_04Guaranteed maximum. Do you know pleasure? Absolutely. There's some really top ones this week, actually. And also um pressure.
SPEAKER_01Under pressure.
SPEAKER_04Under pressure. Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, and the theatre, go to the theatre.
SPEAKER_00And if you if you can, go to Holloway House, because that was fun.
SPEAKER_04Oh, Holloway House. Holloway House. It's a really nice kind of like a holiday. You feel like you're on holiday. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00We feel like we're on holiday, and we were like sitting up there in the sun, in a booth with an umbrella.
SPEAKER_04It's just kind of like, you know, it could be anywhere, lovely view.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, moan about Mickey.
SPEAKER_04Well, do you know what we were supposed to go to um Minnie moans about Mickey? Uh, West Hollywood. So our house West Hollywood, and um, we turned up, the whole building lost all electricity, closed. Whole of that building. Then we thought, oh, we'll go out on Holloway House. So then we thought, no, we won't, because everybody will be Holloway. Yeah, one on sunset. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So where do you go, Dennis?
SPEAKER_04Where did we go?
SPEAKER_00We went to Whole Foods.
SPEAKER_04Oh, we went to Whole Foods. Well, that was a good one. I know, that's what you do. That's what you do. Whole Foods baby. Yeah. We said we'll go there, and we said, no, let's. Do you know what? Let's let's let's what do they say? Kill two birds with one stone.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04We'll do um shop, which we've been putting off, and we'll also eat. There you go.
SPEAKER_00Fantastic. There it was. There it was. There it was. Say goodbye. Say goodbye. Thank you very much, everybody.
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