Whiskey n' Walleye Episode #5 with Beau Schilling

 Episode #5 is coming in hot…

We’re fired up to have Beau Schilling joining us on Whiskey n’ Walleye Radio — one of the rising names in tournament walleye fishing right now.

Beau isn’t just another young angler… he’s already putting up serious results and turning heads across the Midwest. Coming off a huge season and heading into his rookie year on the National Walleye Tour, he’s got real momentum behind him.

A standout moment?
Winning the South Dakota Governor’s Cup on Lake Oahe with a massive 61+ lb two-day bag — the kind of performance that puts everyone on notice.

We’re diving into what’s working, how he’s approaching tournaments, and what it really takes to compete at a high level this early in your career.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

All right, tonight we got one of the top young guns on the show. Uh Bo Schilling. He's uh grew up in the fishing world and decided to get serious about the tournament game. Uh it's really paid off for him. It's starting to pay off. One of the most humble kids I've ever met. Uh, we're gonna hear his story, hear about how it's like to be on the NWT and uh what it's like to find a little bit of early success uh with uh obviously the promise of of doing bigger things. Bo? How's it going? Good man, how are you? I'm great, I'm great. Awesome to be here. Yeah, for sure. We're happy to have you. Um, you and I have talked in the past, and you know, your schedule's pretty tight. I get it. You know, you got the guiding, you got the tournaments, you got other obligations, but we're just real happy to have you on and hear a little bit about your upbringing. Fishing, of course, is the main focus. Uh, but uh everyone's probably that doesn't know you um is maybe curious to hear where you grew up. Uh I I know it's it's got country there. Uh, but uh let's hear, let's just get right into it, man.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Where did you grow up? Where do you live? Yeah, I uh born and raised in a cask, South Dakota, right in the I call it the best playground in the world for walleye fishing. You can really fish however you want. It's nine yards actually that way out that window, so or nine miles out that window. We we uh drive to the boat dock, and yeah, I lived in a cask my whole life. Uh I actually moved when I was like two, but we moved like across the lot, and then I just moved out with my parents last year, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Yeah, no, it's awesome. I I had been there over the years and then uh really started spending a lot of time there last year. Uh the community, it's small, but it's really tight knit. People are super friendly. Obviously, you guys are a big part of the community. Your mom and dad um been there a long time, and it's just one of those places. It's it's my I feel like it's becoming my home away from home. I absolutely just love just pulling into a casca coming from the east there. And it's cool, man. So you grew up your your dad and your mom have had a guiding business for a lot of years, right? And you was it your grandpa's business to start?

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Yeah, I was he kind of did it, not to the quite the level that my old man runs it. He just kind of did it on the side, and he was actually a plumber, like mainly for most of his life, and he just kind of did a couple of pheasant hunting things on the side and a couple fishing deals, and then dad he always tells a story, talked about since he was in uh grade school how he wanted to guide, and he kind of blew the thing up. So I I grew up guiding and uh yeah, I guess I kind of got born into the whole fishing game.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

So yeah, yeah, it's cool, man. You guys you guys kind of have it locked down there. Your your family does, and with good reason. It's you know, you see some guides that try their hand at it and really don't make it, but obviously you guys being such solid people is what keeps people coming back, and you know, the uh the fruits have to be there too. Like you got to perform on the water. I mean, there's a lot of of overnight guides that maybe don't put people on fish, or maybe they put people on fish and it's not a good time, but it seems like you guys have that figured out. Um, when did you when did you start guiding full time with your dad?

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Uh so I think when I was like 12 or 13, uh we have this uh Curtis Lemaire Foundation come out. We do it for this one of our friends' kids passed away. He had a undiod undiagnosed heart condition, and they bring out like 80 people every year just to raise awareness about it, and uh just kind of a fun deal. And they brought out like 80 people that one of them first years, and we didn't have enough guys. And dad's like, Well, bo, time to learn. And I got that was kind of my first group ever, and I got to take out he's one of my really good friends now. His name is Billy Simon. We got to take him out and like three other guys. And I think I burned a tank of gas in like 35 minutes. I don't think I ever stopped. Just I'd fish for like five minutes, freak out because I wasn't catching anything, and then I'd run across the lake, and it wasn't very it wasn't touching golf first couple groups, but I probably my my dad actually called me when I was 14 and uh he's like, Well Bo, you bought a boat. Like, what? I'm 14, you know. And he um one of his buddies had a Bennington and eight or a 23-foot Bennington for sale uh trytoon, and he uh told the guy, yeah, Bo's good buying it, and he never even threw it by me, just let me know I bought a boat. So that's kind of I got thrown into it, and uh of course I had the guy pretty much full time to start paying for that thing because I had no money, I was 14 years old, you know. I mean, I had a little bit, but not that kind of money. So my first full years when I was 14 and haven't really slowed down. I guess I'm starting to slow down now. We have a pretty great crew. Um, like Ben and Hunter, they all started work for my mom and dad when they were younger, and now they've been here for years and years, and they're kind of doing more now because me and dad are gone so much chasing these tournaments around. I guess they've been doing quite a bit. We're even getting some new help help around, and yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

Yeah, so I mean you grew up obviously on a boat with your dad. Your dad fished the tournaments really hard, was real good on tour when you were younger. Uh you and your sister, right? And then he took a break from that, um, just mainly because he wanted to focus on the guiding and the family. Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Yeah, he uh he really fished tournaments till me and Sam were like six, eight years old, and he was just like mom kept he kind of old soft guy, you know. I'm joking. He's probably listening. I had to throw that out there. He uh he uh just said he wanted to watch this morning. He was tired of hearing about how we did over the phone and stuff and like some really baseball and stuff. He was just gone all the time. So he kind of took a break, and then I kind of started getting really interested the past couple years, and he's like, you know what? He's kind of got the you know, he right when I said I want to co-fish the NWT, he's like, I don't really know if I wanna do it. I just don't know if I have the fire anymore. And then past year, he's kind of been like getting so excited for it, and he's calling me every night talking about what we're gonna do and stuff. So yeah, he's back in it. I I hope for for a while yet.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Yeah, I mean, not to jump ahead here, but you know, I think anyone that knows you guys or knows of you guys and the fact that you decided to do it, and you come out in your first tournament and and finish where you guys did. I mean, that's I don't think there's any surprise, right? Like it everybody knew you guys were really, really good. Like, really good, but it's pretty cool. And I know I don't want to like jump the gun and and stuff and and jinx you guys or anything because I think that your goals I'm guessing are bigger than to finish where you did, but still, I mean it's it's a pretty it's a it's a pretty good statement.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Yeah, it was it was it was really surreal. I mean, you can't you cannot complain about a third and fourth on Lake Erie. I've never even been there, so it's kind of just it's kind of letting her fly. And obviously high expectations going into it. You gotta I tell everybody you gotta love it, dude. I mean, I I went out there way too early. I didn't have to be out there getting my butt kicked by Lake Erie for 12 days. I think I pre-fished or 10 days or somewhere in there, and I mean the first five days you barely got to fish, it was so nasty out, but yeah, I I just went out there and I wanted to learn so much, and I mean that body of water is nuts, man. I I got my butt kicked bad. My back is still hurting pretty bad because I had to drive a little too fast a couple times.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

So rewinding a little bit. I mean, you grew up guiding pretty much, grew up fishing, Wahi, um, got into the guiding. When did you start fishing tournaments? Like, what was your first taste of that?

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Uh, we me and Sam grew up fishing a couple with dad, and we won a couple local ones. Um uh that was I don't even know how old we were. There's a funny story about dad tells it, and we were just in the way most of the day, and he was struck, we were knocking off fish and yanking on. Yeah, it was just a crap show. But my first tournaments I fished by myself. Um I believe I fished the Lola Classic with Jerry and Ben Beetle, uh, some of our good friends. Jerry owns a uh car dealership in Battle, and Ben was coming to work for us. So uh we hopped in that one, and uh I believe we zeroed day one, my first tournament ever. And then day two, we were we were pulling cranks at the time. We uh we ran down to the A-frames at Wit Walks. We had we knew we weren't gonna get a lot of bites. We're like, maybe we'll get a couple big ones, you know, and ended up sucking. And then day two, we come back and had like two six-pounders, and that was pretty good back then. And I think we got like the biggest comeback, and it'll be in 10th.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

And and then my second tournament I ever fished by myself was the walleye classic the next year. I just kind of hopped in one every year because I was so worried about guiding and everything. I think we uh oh yeah, day one, we threw like the biggest bag the walleye classic had ever seen. We're coming to weigh in, and we're like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. And then Tyson Keller actually ended up throwing a bigger bag than us, so we were sitting in second, and yeah, he was beating us by like 0.4, and then the day two, we made some really dumb decisions being young and dumb. I've told that story a couple times. Just kept a 21-incher for some reason on Lake Wahee. Can you believe that? And and uh yeah, so we we ended up getting like fourth or something, I think, in that one, and then we fished like a couple more the next year. We fished the Mulbridge Casino Circuit, uh Skakwea uh Casino Circuit. Me and Dad fished the Skakawea one. I think we got like 17th or something, not very good. And then we got third, or no, we got second in the Mulbridge Casino Circuit. That was me, Hunter, and Ben. But that was just kind of a couple local ones, and then just this past year was kind of the year I decided to hop. Me and Brady Gear won the fall brawl, and that qualified me for the national team championship out of uh Francis Case. And after that, that's kind of when I started hopping in a couple big ones.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Yeah, yeah, because then you last year you won the Gov Cup. It was crazy because I was I was falling out. I didn't fish it last year. I don't really fish a lot of tournaments, but I follow it and you guys won and your dad and your hit and your sister got second, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Yeah, it was pretty surreal. I I don't know, like I said on stage, the only thing that could have been better if McCumsey, our other travel partner, would have got third. And he was sitting there to do it after day one. He's had a tough day two. So it was pretty when do you ever get to get first and second with your old man? That's pretty special.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

No, that's uh it's awesome. It's a it's it's crazy, you know. You look at that and you think, What the heck? That's wild, and then long, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

No, it was pretty cool. I uh I told him because he was sitting in like six, I was like, You got some ground to make up, and then he went out through a really big bag, and I ended up somehow somehow doing it again. Like, Kurt, when I pulled up to the dock, I had a like a three or four-pound lead after day one, and I've just an 18-year-old losing his mind, you know. You're leading the governor's cup, and I don't think I slept a minute that night. And uh I was like, Ben, if we don't catch a fish today, we're gonna look like idiots. Like, we gotta go at least get a decent sack, you know. And we ended up having a terrible morning, and then we had a great boat boat marshal. Um, it was uh Kurt Underhill's nephew, he actually runs the deal, and he was a younger guy, and he just thought we were insane. We didn't have a fish in the box like 11, 12 o'clock, and we were leading, and then we ended up getting a couple stuck, and I don't know, everybody was like, You had them giants figured out, and I didn't never would have expected to do something like that. That that was just my my time, you know. I I I had a couple eight-pounders, seven pounders. I think we had one nine in prefish, but we ended up getting like three eleven pounders in the tournament. It was surreal.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Yeah, nothing was gonna stop you.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Yeah, it's just like I don't know. I tell everybody that it was my day. It was sometimes everything just goes your way, and that was one of those days.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Yeah, would you say so? You've been like in the lead in tournaments going into the second day, and you've also been you know down towards the bottom. Would you say that you feel more pressure when you're when you're not performing? Would you say you're you feel more pressure when you're up there?

SPEAKER_00 11:39

I like being in like like I like being a couple spots down because then you like you can swing for the fences and you don't have a whole lot to lose. When you're leading one, everybody or anyone who's led a tournament for you, I just freak out. I don't know. I'm just like, I gotta do this now because you're like expected to do it. I I'd rather be like, if it's like a two or three-day tournament, I'd rather be like just a couple pounds behind where I can just come back and just well, you like everybody says you can't lose it on day one, so just kind of be right there after day one, depending how many days of tournament it is. I'd I would much rather be a pound or two behind. I know that sounds crazy, but it's just so much less pressure on you, I feel like a lot less eyes looking at you, I think.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Yeah, no, that totally makes sense. So then you you know you're you're guiding a lot. You guys pheasant guide right in the fall.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

Yep, we guide bird hunters in in uh October through January, December, whenever season closes, it they changed it a couple years back. It ended uh the end of January this year.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Yeah, yeah, they made it way longer. So you start you fish all the way up until that. And I mean, when you're obviously we can fish here around here, not like Minnesota where they got a season, but when you're out guiding bird hunters, are you wishing you were still in the boat?

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Oh, trust me, we make it out after we get done early, you know. We sneak out still, but and we have uh like pick clients come in and clients leave. So we usually have a day off to go sneak out and stuff, but yeah, obviously I I do a lot of I like to deer hunt too. So I chase around a couple deer in the fall. I try to go on I R tree hunt quite a bit. So you're you're fishing still, but not quite as much. I I think it's good to let your mind get a rest because that's all I think about all summer long, usually.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. I I feel that because you know I I do some ice fishing, but it's just not seems like the last three or four years it's gotten less important to me and more, you know, open water is more just where it's at, you know.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

Our ice fishing sucked past couple years out of Oahu. I mean you can still get some, but like back in the day, me and Ben would leave school, drive a little too fast coming over to get to Oahe, and we'd catch our limit before dark, and it gets dark at 5 30 and on it's nuts. And now it's been nothing like that for the past couple of years. So I don't know, they're just they're huge now. We got so much bait in this system, it's like they're just big, fat, dormant girls in the winter.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Yeah. Yeah, we used to go up and hit Pollock Bay a lot. Um, and then like Whitlocks we'd go ice fish down there a little bit, but it seemed like it was you could go out there and run pop-ups or jig or whatever and catch, even if you had to sort, right, to get a like a limit of nice eaters. Um you could do it, right? And and there were days up on Pollock where eat the perch and the walleye were going, and you know, the last couple years we've been out there, and actually we didn't even go out there to fish this year, but the previous couple years to that, it was it was a little tougher.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

Yeah, we always sneak out early early mobridge ice, and that's always usually pretty good. And it seems like the best bite nowadays. It it doesn't really stay consistent throughout the winter.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I mean, that's the crazy thing, too, is we've had such mild winters here. It's been, you know, we're we're used to out here in eastern South Dakota, we're used to 30 plus inches of ice in February, beginning of February. I don't think I've seen over 20 in three years, you know, maybe uh maybe a couple times 24, but it's just it's been so mild, and and I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Yeah, we used to drive snowmobiles. I I have two snow. Actually, my dad made my dad buy two snowmobiles a couple years back, and we have not got snow sense, and he's just mad about it. He'll probably hear about it after this because he remembers it now. But yeah, I bought or I was like, Yeah, we need these sleds, and he's like, Yeah, we'll get them. And haven't got snow since it's kind of kind of sucks. Well, thank you guys.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

That's that's why we that's why we haven't gotten any snow because you bought sleds, yeah. I bought sleds, yeah, for sure. All right, so let's uh let's bust into Erie, man. Tell me about we talked a little bit about it, but you obviously were past the point where you decided to fish the NWT. You you and I talked before you were heading to Erie because you were heading out there super early. Um, you know, what did you right away? What were your thoughts when you got there? What were your feelings on just laying your eyes on that body of water? I've never been there, so it's it's new, it would be new to me too. But yeah, tell us what you thought there.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Yeah, I uh I drove out, I got there a couple days before my dad, my cousin, them guys, and I drove out and I'm like, oh my gosh, you don't you don't realize how big it is till you get out there. That body of water is absolutely ginormous. And I uh come at him on rail the first day, and you just can't see land in any direction when you get out there. And I called dad, and dad was on the phone with like I think Kurt Underhill and he was and they were laughing at me because it's like, where do you go? You know, you just get out there and you're like, where do you start? But uh prefish was pretty good. Um it's just about covering water, it's just so tough to cover water with the weather we had. I felt like I had one day of pre-fish instead of 10. Like you just and when you're coming in, you gotta go five mile an hour. There was one day me and Dewey were coming in side by side, and he kept slowing down to make sure I was met. I was because I was by myself and just rolling over seven footers one after another at nine mile an hour for 20 miles. It's nuts.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Yeah, that sucks. We get on a waii, you know how a wai is, it can get what I feel is pretty bad if you got one, if you got a wind coming down, coming down the channel. But I don't know, man. Seven footers just sounds absolutely stupid.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

That one day I was uh pre-fishing, I was past the islands and everything, and we had a northeaster. It's like what they say you probably shouldn't go out on. And of course I was out being dumb and just looking for fish, and I was like, Well, I don't need to fish, I can just find them, you know, and kind of see where they're sitting. And I bet they were 11 footers, just rollers. But they're like 40 yards apart, but they're just ginormous, just when they fall on like it's nuts. I mean, I've uh biggest waves I've ever been in. I actually I actually wore a life jacket. I've never put a life jacket on in a boat, and I wore a life jacket pretty much every time it got windy out there. It's nuts.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's like I don't know if anxiety is the right word, but even just like having to pay attention to what you're doing, just so you don't get crossed out the wrong way in a wave or something. I mean, that's that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Yeah, I I I didn't wreck nothing or anything. I mean, a couple loose screws, but that that is crazy. I mean, everybody was wrecking stuff, and even my old man wrecked. Well, I guess he was in a hurry. It was what he wrecked a couple sets or he tore his power poles off twice while we were there and broke a transducer cord on his live scope. He was I was like, Dad, I'm the 19-year-old. I'm supposed to be one being in a hurry and wrecking stuff. You gotta slow down, old man.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

He's just getting after it.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Yeah, and uh, no, it's nuts. Uh we ended up just kind of you kind of had to chase the warmer water around, like kind of a little murkier water, like foot of clarity, 10 inches clarity kind of stuff, and that's kind of seemed where to hold the best fish. And uh yeah, um I was just throwing uh I actually grabbed a couple. I was just throwing like four and a half inch mooch minnows, pretty much, just stuff like this. Oh, sure. Yeah, and uh just like three and a quarter, half ounce, a lot of half ounce, um, three aught uh then VMC red lines. I was throwing a bunch of those too. So in my opinion, you could throw whatever you wanted. They weren't too picky, you know. You kind of could fish however you wanted, it was pretty cool. And it was just about getting baits down to them in waves. So it's people don't understand how hard it's to get a bait like within two foot of a walleye and four to eight foot waves, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Oh, yeah, it's it's stupid. I mean, it's just it's ridiculously hard.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

Yeah, you you almost have to always go with the waves because every time you try to go against them, you're trolling motors flying out of the water, and yeah, it's it's nuts out there, man. It's something it definitely if like it's the funnest fishing on the planet if there was no wind. But I hate that body water. I don't ever want to go back personally. I had a very, very good tournament. I didn't I could care less if I ever looked at Lake Erie again.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah, oh that's crazy. You know what? So you're talking about you know, it didn't really matter what you threw. It's seeing what guys were throwing like your dad was throwing the first standard minnow one.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

So that that the only reason I that was did so well for him was I think because it was a shorter bait, and they he would just have his hookup percentage was way better, you know. Because a lot of a lot of bites will get into this year, you're gonna need a little shorter bait, but I was just throwing a really long odd hook, and I felt like they could see a longer bait better. But if you got a shorter bait near them, I'm I math says on paper technically you should probably they should probably eat it better because they if they shorten it but even they should probably get the hook.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Yeah, when you said three odds, I was I was kind of surprised you're throwing that big that big of a hook.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Yeah, I I don't know if I ever didn't throw a three-off while we were there.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Yeah, yeah, and then you look at God, what was uh um someone else was throwing something. I mean, just plastics obviously was the name of the game, it seemed like a lot of guys throwing crawlers too.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Um, I I put a couple in the bullet first day, and then I never put them back in just because I felt like you could really catch them on a lot of guys said they found a couple stingy bites, but I never really ran into on them. I don't know if they were just spawners or why they were stingy in some spots, but it seemed like I even was catching a couple on jig wraps on the 11. I would just throw in front of them and just get see how fast I could catch one if I had to, you know, and just covering fish, you know, and it didn't really seem to matter. Uh like I said, I just threw a bigger bait so they could see it better personally.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Yeah, makes sense. You throw a lot of plastics on a Wally, or are you more like Yeah, it's it it's really depends.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Our fish, most of the time, you can really fish them however you want. That's why I say it's the greatest playground ever. Um, a lot of jig wraps. Jig wraps probably the main catch. The mooch minnow honestly is a I was I worked with Raplinal, and before I ever worked with them, I was so happy when they reached out because I throw so much, so many mooch minnows in Sunrail. It's like the number one go-to bait, like universally, like you can go anywhere, and it seems like they work. So that's probably my favorite plastic. And then uh some you get it. I mean, some guys catch them on finishers and stuff. On a Wahi, you can really whatever you want to do it, really. I mean, uh, even like guys like Max were catching them on crawlers last year, but yeah, that's why I love a Wahi, because you can really fish however you want.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Yeah, for sure. So you get through pre-fish, um, get into the tournament. What were you feeling like at that at takeoff?

SPEAKER_00 21:54

It it's you're nervous, obviously, but I had two really good co-anglers. We we Talked a lot. I pretty much talked to them all day long, both of them great guys. And uh he kind of relaxed you down just getting to know somebody. I don't know if that makes sense. But you guys are just talking about life and stuff all day and fishing your butt off. It's it was a lot more relaxing than I thought. I thought I was gonna kind of like spin out a little bit, but I was actually pretty chill during tournament days, obviously. Maybe a couple bad words were said when I missed a couple, but it wasn't it wasn't too crazy. I it's awesome. There's no better feeling than than tournament fishing, in my opinion. So I I just love every second of it.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Yeah. So your first what time did your first fish come?

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Uh day one, I uh ran out a couple miles from there's an island called, I believe it's West Sister, and I was just a couple miles off from that. I think I started on it, and then I was fishing around it, and I think I had 30 pounds in the boat by in 45 minutes. It was just kind of they're kind of all right there. And then day two, I ended up having 35 15, maybe sounds right, um, day one, and then day two. The plan was just to swing for the fences, you know. And I told dad that what I was gonna do, and he told me what he was gonna do. And uh me, or actually my buddy Jaden Wendell, we're working with him this year. He was had like 37, and we both talked about it. We had this area where we actually pulled up in pre-fish. Wendell's a hammer. I mean, man, that kid can fish. And he pulled up, he's like, or he called me and pre-fished, he's like, come over here. And I I pulled up and he caught 40 like 47 pounds in like half an hour on this spot. And I'm like, oh my gosh, that's unreal. So that that's where we were headed on day two of the tournament, but it was it was like 25 miles instead of 15 miles or whatever, we were running right away. And we and we pulled up and we were just doing our thing. Both of us were like half mile apart, and we I mean, I threw like 25 pounds, 30 pounds in the box, but the big ones were just gone. So I ran down to the Bass Islands, didn't really see much. I think I might have caught one there, and then I ran over to like the Cannes area and fished there most of the day, and then back even away as I don't know very many names of spots, and ended up scrounging up 41 pounds. I had seen I told everybody I seen six big fish day two, like six over nine pounds-ish area, and they're just blimps, you know. I was like, Yeah, that's the one you want. When they look like carp out there, they're just a big pre-spawn walleye, and you get a little excited, and ended up getting two of them to bite. One ended up was like a 10-10, which helped a lot, and then one's like a 9-10. So and then just some average fish out there. It's like the five-pound factory of the world right now. If you want to catch four or five pounders, go to Lake Erie, it's insane.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Really?

SPEAKER_00 24:44

It was really just about driving by fish and not casting at littler ones. I I just covered a lot of water. I am actually running two 36 volt 100 Ramp batteries, and everybody told me I wouldn't be able to kill them, and I damn near killed them both day two of that tournament just because I never let off my trolling motors covering water.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Really? Yeah, you're you're running you're running Ultrex, right? Like most guys.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah, I'm running Ultrex this this year. It uh pretty solid trolling motor, honestly. I don't really have issues. I'm kinda hard on them too, so just kind of stick to what's working, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Yeah, and you're running Garmin.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Yeah, I run Garmin and Lowrance. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

I run uh yeah, go ahead. No, I was just asking what your setup was.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Yeah, so I I run uh live scope, uh 9217 on the bow with a 12-inch HDS Pro Lowrance, and then uh just a 12-inch GPS map and a 12-inch HTS Pro on the dash. Okay, pretty simple, just four graph setup right now, and I mean I have a shuttle in the back and stuff, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

So you're just running one, you're just running one deucer on the boat and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

One I have uh I have a live scope on my transom too.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Okay, cool. Yeah, 34 also.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Yeah, that's pretty nice, huh?

SPEAKER_00 25:54

It it is, but it's not I mean it's solid, but I wish I could go a little faster when you just can't scan very fast because the bubbles of the motor and stuff, like six mile an hour, five mile an hour, which is still pretty slick, but yeah, if you see oh crap, sorry I gotta plug this in, it's about to die. Yeah, I should have paid it, should have paid attention. Sorry about that. That's all good. Thank goodness it pops up and it says you're about to die. So we're good now.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Right on. Yeah, that's I put one on my boat. Um, I've never had one on the boat. I put one on the transome this year, um, just to see. I thought, God, I you know, I don't know why. I think I had an extra transducer, so I was like, well, I might as well put it on the transome. But I also thought it'd be nice if I'm cruising at five six. You know, I was hoping to be a little faster than that, but five six, and like, all right, here's the start of the trees, or you know, here's the start of the cut, or just even something like that.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

If you're looking for like if you're wanting for catching eaters, it's like the best thing on my on the planet. I have one on my my guideboat. I run a tritune uh center console boat, and I absolutely you can scan it like 15 mile an hour with pontoons, it's insane. And so you can see eaters. Oh, yeah, that makes sense because you're yeah, we cover a lot of water. I mean, I just anymore, guys are like, we gonna fish today. I was like, Well, there's no point to fish. There's no fish, guys. Um once we find them, it should be pretty good, though. I just drive around until I see fish nowadays.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Yeah, no, that's pretty cool. You kind of got it figured out. So you're running Lowrance for mapping, obviously, or are you running that for side?

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Yeah, I have Loranth for mapping. It's uh pretty solid here, and uh I obviously side scan too. And 2D when we're using it, like uh eerie on Eerie 2D was a big part of dad's deal. He had his so dialed in and he actually got mine dialed in for me just so you could find fish at 15, 20 mile an hour.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Yeah, are you running a through hole on your boat or no?

SPEAKER_00 27:40

No, just a regular reducer, I think.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

I'm not a big 2D guy, usually usually just use it for depth, and most of my work is up front, just putting the water or putting the troll motor in and covering water.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So for people, obviously we know you you mentioned that you run different baits, but what rods are you running, or what you know, length, weight, action, all that stuff?

SPEAKER_00 27:59

I really don't have I mean I have five old Fenwick World classes, they're my favorite rod on the planet, and then besides that, I pretty much have a couple of everything. Um people, I was down fishing with uh couple of my buddies uh out of Bismarck, like Luke Spickler and them guys and Hunter Hervela. Um, and they're like, Do you have one of the same rods? Because I just have like 30 or 40 rods, and I think I might have a couple of the same ones, but not very many. I like out on the eerie, I was throwing a lot of medium, uh extra fast, seven footers. Uh I had a couple medium light rods tied up. All rods are different. Sometimes they're a little heavier than one another, but yeah. When we're throwing mooch minnows and stuff, I I I like a medium light kind of. I like a little lighter rod, yeah. Um, with uh flukes and stuff, especially when you're like pulling it away from them and stuff. Uh I like a lighter rod, more finesse bite where you're you're holding it still. I don't mind a medium rod. It just kind of depends on the scenario.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Um, like jig jig wraps, I throw a seven foot two, medium extra fast. That's like my go-to, but it's all preference, really. Hey, like Garrick McCumsey, he throws noodles. I'm always like, dude, how do you use these rods? Or like extra soft rods, and I'm like, it drives me nuts. I can't use them, but he he's really good with them. So I don't know, it's just preference kind of deal.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Yeah. What about for reels? What's your do you have a bunch of different reels too, or do you have a favorite rod?

SPEAKER_00 29:23

I am bad guy to ask about rods and reels. I have everything, man. I I run a lot of flugers, I run uh a couple denali reels, I can run uh uh I got pissy funds too, um uh a couple of Zetas, but I really run I throw everything, man.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Yeah, yeah, just it's crazy because like I'm the type of person that's so dialed in, like I like my gear is gotta be so meticulous, so cd in me. But then I'm just the dude that is just here, just maybe catching a good fish here and there, and then you got a kid like you. It's like I'll just run whatever.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

No, I I'm very meticulous about my line, but rods and rods and reels, I I don't really care much. I uh I throw a lot of that sunline all miner. If you guys haven't heard of it, it's uh I think I might have one right here. Yeah, it's actually the bright pink line. When you find it, it's it's pretty sweet. It's uh I throw 16 to 22. They're uh they've they're they're manufactured out of the states, and they they have to like be so specific with their line test. So it like 16 to 22 sounds like heavy line, but it's actually like thinner than most braids. And I throw a lot of all my they have a new uh I butchered if I try to say it, it's like asobnia or something, and it's like this green line, and I throw a lot of that, but yeah, like when I'm when I'm throwing finesse, I I like a super, super thin braid. I don't know, it's just I I'm weird with my lines. I have like I've tried it if there's a line out there, I know I've tried it. I've tried a lot of line, but um mainly when we're throwing out deep and stuff, I like that all might because it actually sinks and it like cuts the water, and it's like my go-to. It just I mean your bait falls. I'm not gonna say it gets down there twice as fast, but instead of falling for 10 seconds, you fall for eight seconds. It's like them two seconds I can cast out this many more fish a day, etc. etc. You know.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

No, I mean you brought up that.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

I I watched another podcast yours, and you brought up all my um, and I didn't realize how thin it was because I've been throwing Berkeley forward, right? And I've always been I've always been uh a floral guy, just straight floral, like straight spools of floral. That was pre-life scope for me. Um, and then when I went to live scoping on the boat, I was like, all right, I can run braid now with leaders. So I got forward, um, spooled all my stuff up with forward, but I noticed that like there'd be a belly in the line, right? Like throwing something like a finisher or uh a hyper rattle or a jig wrap, right? There'd be this belly in the line, and then you're reeling up way more slack to get a direct line to your to your lure. Um, and so then you brought up this all might, and I'm like, man, I'm gonna try some, right? So I ordered some and I ordered or I was at Shields and I bought the 16. Um and I was like, holy cow, this stuff is it's like sewing thread. I mean it's thin. Yeah. And uh you had said eight eighteen to twenty-two was kind of your like there can't be that much of a difference between 16 and 18, but there is, but it's still like it's still super because it's non-coded, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:18

So yeah, I throw 22 a lot. 22 is like probably my most, and 18 is probably second. I I do throw a little 16 and like we get a little shallower and stuff and little lighter bits, but just kind of depends on your scenario. But everybody's like, I got 13 pounds and it's breaking. I'm like, Well, 13 pounds like regular six pound, you know, it's yeah, it's so thin. But there's like different uh regulations over there. They can't like some line companies are a little like they're not exact on their poundage, and they have to be like perfect. So they their line is actually right technically, but yeah, everybody it it's not the normal anymore. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Well, you look at it too, and I think about it like this is maybe right or wrong, but the coated stuff would be less abrasion, right? Because it's got something that's kind of uh almost a lubricant to keep it from from abras abrazing, abrasing, whatever that word is. So this stuff being non-coated, that's maybe why people are breaking because they're they're they're getting nicks and they're not noticing it. It's just less protective. But if you're if your mainness is good on your lines, then you know it should be good.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

Yeah, really all I do after after I really pound on a rod and reel for a while, I just take like 20 feet off and usually you're good. But some guys like will re-spool their rods. I mean, I had the same same all might on all all year last year, just after two weeks of pounding on it. And I get a little worried before tournaments, so I always take like just pull out 20 feet, cut it off, then you're usually good. And I'm a guy who puts extra line on all my rods in case I have a train wreck and I happen to lose some of it or something.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

So, yeah, yeah, you still fish it, you don't have to re-spool. I'm excited to try that stuff. You know, there was a lot of times where you know, and obviously on on a Wadi, especially when you're going after fish that are deep, getting down to the fish fast is more important.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Um and like you said, the bowel thing, a lot of guys struggle with that because they see their bait and it's just getting there, and by the time they reel down, the bait's already below them and stuff. And yeah, sometimes that's a game changer, man.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

No, I totally I'm I'm stoked to try it just because I I can see the advantage of uh of having that, you know, cutting the it's it's obviously smaller diameter, so it's gonna cut faster. I mean, it just absolutely makes sense, and then a sinking braid, I guess. Um but the you know, so those are the things that you know, fine-tuning your game just makes you that more effective, right? You you you do this or you go to a different leader material, or you know, for me, for the life of me, beginning of last year, I was always used to like 12-pound uh leaders, right? Well, I kept tail hooking my finishers, those finisher nines before the tens came out. And I'm like, what the hell? So I asked someone, I forget who it was. I'm like, what are you doing to keep from tail hooking like every single drop? Well, just run a 17-pound leader.

SPEAKER_00 34:57

I throw a lot of 20-pound and stuff, yeah. It's just uh, I don't know, it's just like stiffer, so you don't because you you know baits and you cast them, they're going like this up in the air or whatever, and yeah, that that would drive me nuts. I switched to heavier, and I kind of worked for me too.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Yeah, I mean it was just it was instantaneous though. As soon as I went to 17 pound, it happened way less. Caught more fish because you're not wasting cast. You know, you get lined up on a fish that's down in a tree, and and you make a cast, and then it looks at your bait or chases a little bit and turns around and you're like, what the hell? You start reeling in and you feel the difference, you know. Yeah, dang it. So there's little stuff that goes into it.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

Yeah, it's I I honestly didn't care about anything, and I just kind of figured it out before I started caring, and now I'm really like I I fished for three years probably with $20 rods, now all my rods are stupid expensive. It's not it's an expensive hobby, I tell you that much. It's a very expensive hobby.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

Yeah, I mean the cool thing about it is though, people you prove that people don't need expensive rods and reels to go do it, you know. They can you just gotta have if you're gonna fish the way with live scoping, obviously you gotta have a live scope butt, um, which is expensive. But you could do it with a $20 rod or a $50 rod and uh a cheap reel, and and as long as your line's good, you know.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Yeah, honestly, you don't need you probably don't need the nice stuff. It's just when you do it as much as some of us guys, it's just kind of nice to have really nice gear. I really like it. It's like a guy who golfs one day, he ain't gonna buy a ten thousand dollar set of clubs, but a guy who golfs every day, you know, it's a different story, kind of yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

So back to Erie. Um, sitting good after day one. Day two, what did it feel like to weigh that bag and know that you're because you weighed pretty early on day two, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 36:45

Uh yeah, about actually I think I weighed early day one and day two, I was kind of in the back. Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean and then uh it I knew I had a good bag, and obviously you're out in the water and your scale's just going like this. So you're I'm trying to lock them in lull, so I'm not overexpecting what I got, you know. And you got to call beam all your fish because you can call out there, and you're trying to like even in the waves, you're like, which ones, you know? And I had a couple that were like damn near the same. You're like, it's tough. And I had a great, great co-angler's named Lance from Bismarck, just everything I needed day two. He was there and helped me out a lot. He was call beaming all my fish for me. And we actually we were kind of running late day two, so I was like, because I was casting at this one. I one of the six big ones I seen day two. I fished about 10 minutes too long, and I kind of had opened her up coming in on Lake Erie. And anybody who's been to Lake Erie know it's probably not the best idea. So we whatever we got in the time, and we actually made it with some couple minutes to spare and got up to the stage. I didn't really know what I had. I figured I had high 39s, and then I heard 41. I was like, Yep. I mean, you you can't complain about that at all. And yeah, Lake Erie, man. Anything can go wrong out there is the thing, it's kind of scary because I had one day I had a breaker pop on my boat, and I my build wasn't working. I was like, what's going on? And I'm out in the middle, and it just ended up being a breaker. But like, if something like that goes out out there, it's just it's scary, man. Honestly, it is.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that can be life-threatening for sure. It's like basically the ocean, right? It's just yeah, you might as well be on the ocean.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

40 degree water temps, too. If you if you go in, it's not gonna be a good deal.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

No, no, not at all. I mean, we s obviously everything's relative, um, but you get on places like a Wahi, it can be it can be the same thing too, where you just safety first, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Yeah, you just go on a Wahi, you can pretty much go slow and run along a shoreline and most of the time be all right. It's but like Erie, it's just like you're out there, man. There ain't nowhere to there ain't nowhere to hide behind, there's nowhere to go. Uh yeah, I I've never really put on a life jacket on a Wahi besides for tournaments and whatnot. And I was wearing I was wearing them on Erie. It was it was like holy crap. And you're up there trying to live scope and you're you reach down to grab something and you're falling over and stuff. And I mean, I'm pretty agile. I I say I like to say anyway. I was falling over and stuff too. It was especially like day one of that tournament when you're up there, it's just wham, wham, and we have 25 mile an hour wins, day one. Nice, yeah, it's nuts.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

So then you weigh yours, um, 77 even. Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 39:15

Yeah, somewhere like that. I think I I was sitting in like third right when I weighed, and then the leader day one bumped me and dad into third and fourth. So, I mean, great moment. What you can't that it was surreal. I mean, to get fourth in your first NWT event against them guys, it was pretty nuts.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

Yeah, your dad talked a lot of crap because he got 10 ounces more than you.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Yeah, a lot. We're we're gonna try to. I I told him, I was like, You got a one-point lead on me in AOI now, so I'm gonna have to make up some ground this next one. My goal is just to beat my dad in the next one, if anybody was wondering. I just gotta because I've heard about it since we got back. He's like, I told you I was gonna do it, and uh I was like, Yeah, I'll give you this one, old man.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

But yeah, because now now we go now we go to your home, I mean your backyard, right? Like, that's how pumped were you to see when they announced Mo Bridge.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Honestly, I love it and I don't at the same time because I I know so much here and I fish so much here. It's kind of nerve-wracking though, because like I we were talking about earlier, like leading a tournament, being like in the back a little, or not in the back, but a couple times shy. It's like you your expectations are so much more, you know, on your homebody of water. And I'm super pumped. I just honestly want to want it to be here. I want to quit thinking about what I think I'm gonna do and stuff, and obviously kind of have a general idea on May, end of May, what you're gonna be doing and stuff. But yeah, I'm pumped and I'm a little nervous. Out of all the tournaments, I'm actually probably the most nervous about Moorbridge.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Yeah, that can be a weird time of year out there, right? Like middle, end of uh what is it, 20th and 21st?

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Yeah, you're right there. I think it's a Wednesday, Thursday.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

Yeah, I mean, that can be a weird time for you guys out there, huh?

SPEAKER_00 40:53

Yeah, it'll it'll be interesting to see what happens. Obviously, they're all gonna be completely spawned out and stuff, so they're not gonna be the giants we see in the fall, but um it's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be really who can get the right two bites a day. Honestly, I mean, obviously your slots are gonna be a huge part of the game too, but it's gonna be who can gear grab two 10 pounders a day, I'm thinking. It just it depends. It sets up depending what the water temp and stuff does this year, what they're gonna be doing and whatnot. But yeah, gonna be some nice bags. I know that trolling bite's gonna be good. Live scoping bite should be pretty good. It's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see how that plays out.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm nervous as hell, but I'm just basically going out there to donate to you guys, so that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Dude, on a Wahi, anybody, anybody, I mean, anybody can run into them two fish. I mean, I've fished all day and ran into two in a couple minutes, man. It's it's crazy. What I don't know, it's and it's not like Lake Erie. You can't go, you don't need to catch five of them, you catch two of them. But to find two of them out there is a little tougher than Lake Erie. I mean, there's not near the numbers of them, and it's gonna be fun. I mean, we have a lot of big fish and a lot of great anglers. I'm I'm I'm pumped for it, and like I said, I'm really nervous at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 42:05

Yeah, for sure, for sure. So then after that, um, what's the next tournament? Are you gonna fish any of the state? You're fishing the Gov Cup, I'm assuming, or are you not?

SPEAKER_00 42:14

Yeah, I'm in three Gov Cups this year. Um, all the NWTs and maybe one or two more that'll mix in there.

SPEAKER_01 42:22

Yeah, yeah, because what now this year don't they have North Dakota and South Dakota Gov Cup on the same weekend?

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Yeah, I'm fishing Montana Gov Cup, South Dakota Gov Cup, and we're going to do the Wyoming Gov Cup.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Where's the Wyoming Gov Cup this year? Or where do they have it?

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Glendo, maybe. Glendo, yeah. Is that sound right? I've never been there. Uh actually Jaden Wendell and you're hopping in that one. He asked me if I wanted to, and there wasn't very many spots left. And I was like, you know, I never been there. Sounds cool, you know. It's not a it's not a super big turn. I think it's uh I mean a lot of people, but it's not like 100 grand to win or anything, it's just kind of a fun deal. Just kind of go down there and see see what we can do. It'll be it'll be exciting. It's uh I think it's a reservoir, so I'd I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

Yeah, yeah, that's uh I go over to Wyoming, kind of that area um a couple times a year, fly fishing, actually. Um we were out there, we didn't even know the walleye fishing was good, and I guess it's like south central, southeastern Wyoming. Um, and then we were at this gas station, there's all these like you know, like deep V's, lawns and rangers and all this stuff. So we stopped and talked to one guy, and they're like, Yeah, the walleye fishing here is phenomenal. We're like, it's like like massive fish, you know.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

The only reason I know if walleyes, there's our clients, we get some clients from there, and they're like, Yeah, we catch walleyes back home too. And I honestly didn't know anything about I didn't know Glendo existed until about a couple days after we got back from Erie. Jaden asked me if I wanted to hop in, and um I called the boss lady, aka my mom, and I was like, Can I get off a couple days of work? And she's like, I don't know, you know. So we get two days of prefish and two days for the tournament. So we're gonna go see what we can do. I I did get permission, was I'm thankful. Falling. I mean, she could have very easily told me no, too. We're pretty swamp that time of year. It's I think it's early June.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Yeah. Shonda's keeping you in line still, huh?

SPEAKER_00 44:07

Yeah, uh, tries to, anyways. I mean, I need to work a little more and probably fish a couple less tournaments, but I love it, man. It's it's the best thing in the world. I don't know if for all you've done it, you know what I'm talking about, but it's pretty surreal fishing tournaments.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Yeah, yeah, for sure. So you got 2026 mapped out. Um, you do you have any like words of advice, kind of in closing here, as far as just people that just anything, man? It can be about anything. You're young, you know, 19 years old, right? Yep. But like what the crazy part about that is, you know, it's not that you're good at fishing for a younger, you're just good at fishing, right? Like, so people that are older, that uh maybe are just getting into live scope game or just getting into walleye fishing, any words of advice that on a day-to-day basis they can apply to fishing.

SPEAKER_00 44:54

Yeah, man, just you kind of gotta go do it nowadays. It's uh the technology is just gonna keep getting crazier. And honestly, if you want to you want to do something, you gotta love it. Like, I all I think about is fishing. Like, I wish I was fishing right now. The wind actually let down. You just kind of gotta love it, man. And go do it, go do it as much as possible. People don't realize how much we like how much a guy who does well, like Dewey and them guys, like he he's only fishing 10 or 5, 6 tournaments this year, but he's absolutely fishing every day he can. And you just gotta go, you gotta go do it as much as you can. Like dad, I was driving dad nuts. He had a Lund 219 and or not, a Lund uh 2075 tiller, and I absolutely put all the hours on it because I took it out every single night I could. And he bought me a an older pro V couple years back, and I just absolutely put 300 hours on the motor in one summer just because I wanted to learn how to do it, and I just gotta go do it as much as you possibly can. And every time you get a chance, I mean that's best advice I got.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

Yeah, just practice. I think 100%, you know, don't nobody's gonna get good at this overnight, right? Like it's it's one of those things that just takes putting the time in, and but putting good time in, there's a saying it's um um perfect practice. I'm gonna slaughter it, but it's something about perfect practice, you know, is is what prepares you, not just practice, right? So whether that's athletics and you played sports growing up, practicing with a purpose, you know, and that's kind of how that intensity comes out, so that when you get into a situation where you're gonna compete in a tournament, you're just used to that level of focus, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

Yeah, I mean, if you're if you want to go fish tournaments, man, you do have to love it. I mean, I I try to put in as much or more hours than everybody I possibly can just because I wanna I want to do well and I wanna like I don't compete to to not do well, you know. I want to try to do the best I can in every possible tournament. I try to put as many hours towards it as I can, you know. And uh you just got to mix it in with your schedule and stay consistent and you'll figure it out eventually. It's just you're never gonna do if you fail enough, you'll eventually figure it out. I mean, I trust me, I I sucked bad a couple of years ago, like I was not very good at it. And the the amount of hours I put in and stuff has just helped me tremendously, man.

SPEAKER_01 47:05

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, cool, Bill. Thanks for catching up with us. Um, try to get out there and get some still early enough to get on the water.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

Yeah, I think we got about half hour left of sunlight. Maybe I'll maybe we'll sneak out. I I doubt it. It looks pretty nice tomorrow. I don't know what the the boss wants us to do tomorrow, but maybe we'll sneak out and do a little fishing.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

Yeah, awesome, man. Well, it was good talking to you as always, man. Thanks for joining us, spending the time. Uh, good luck. We're we're all watching you. You know, I'm I know I'm definitely rooting for you and want to see you do well. So cool, man. Hey, thanks, man. I appreciate it. It was awesome. Yeah, maybe we'll see out you out there this weekend.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Yeah, probably. All right. Thanks, Bill. Yep.