Stigmas of the Lifestyle - Episode 7

Welcome back to Modernly Faithful💕🍍, where real couples share real chemistry. In this episode, we’re diving into one of the most talked-about—and often misunderstood—topics in the ethical non-monogamy community: stigma.

As a couple living the lifestyle, we’re opening up about the assumptions, judgments, and misconceptions that surround non-monogamy. From navigating societal expectations to challenging outdated narratives, we’re keeping it honest, raw, and real.

Whether you’re part of the lifestyle, curious about it, or just want to hear a different perspective on love and connection, this conversation is for you.

Let’s talk truth. Let’s talk growth. Let’s break the stigma—together. 💕🍍

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey guys, and welcome to episode seven of our Modernly Faithful podcast. And I'm here in the Table Talk with Ms. G.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

Hi, everyone.

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Hola. And of course, we've got our spouses from another house uh Stevie John and Amanda.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Hello, hello.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Hello, everybody. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good quantum time. Whatever it is. Whatever that is. Whatever time you're. Whatever might be going on when this is going on. And today, on our conversation about ethical non-monogamy, we are going to talk about stigmas of the lifestyle. Stigmas of the lifestyle. So what does that mean?

SPEAKER_02 0:50

So we've kind of made a short list of ones we've thought of. I'm sure there's more people can think of that we can cover as well. But uh one of the first ones we came up with was that the lifestyle is just only for older individuals. 60 plus.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Oh, wait. Did we just put an age on older individuals? I didn't do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17

Um I think a lot of people like see that. Like if you're talking to your partner and you're like, hey, we're interested in this, but we're looking and maybe we're only seeing older people.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

And it's that looks so hot from over here, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

That would look really hot. That was really hot. I my twin turned into a head pusher.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

I sure did, guys. I wish you guys could see it.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

No, but I definitely um can connect on that a little bit. I I think we were one of those couples who originally thought that swingers meant just really old people who were tired of each other, and so they were looking for other old people to bang with. And so they're like, We've already banged all our lives. Can we bang somebody else now? That's what I thought when people said swingers.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

I thought when people said swingers, that everybody's in the nursing home just fucking each other.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

Oh wait, at the nursing home?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yes, nursing home.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

That's a different level of savage.

SPEAKER_02 2:27

No, I think that's actually a thing. Like, I don't think she's far that happens.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Really? Yeah. Yeah, I really do think. I think people like in old people that like in a nursing home or any kind of like retirement um community, do I think they do that. They do do that.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

So then is it's not is it not a stigma then? It's actual real life.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

I I mean there are older couples who do participate, but I think you know, people coming in think that that's all it is. That's that's the stigma. It's like it's all old people. It's you know, that's we're not gonna find people our age, or we're not gonna find, you know, something that we're into, you know?

SPEAKER_01 3:01

I think like a it life is changing too, maybe now.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

It is changing because the other day on our page, literally some dude was reaching out to us, like, hey, do you guys swing? And I'm like, um, how old are you? Like a hundred, sir. And he's like, so I obviously didn't say that, but I was like, um, hello? And he's like, Well, I don't want you to worry. I have a bionic penis. And I'm like, What? What is a bionical penis? What is that? Technically, I it's like a machine. And I was like, wait, what? And he's like, yes. He's like, I have to turn it on.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

What?

SPEAKER_00 3:41

I was like, wait, you have to turn it on. So when you turn it on, do you get to finish? Like, is it if do you feel anything if you are manually like cranking it up and now it's up, but like, how does it go down? And he was like, I manually have to take it down, and I'm like, mmm, completely different kind of manual though. So many questions. Yeah, me too. I want to know how this works. And he's like, Oh, yeah, the ladies love it, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, Well, I'm not gonna say that's not true because I don't know. But I do have so many questions. I'm like, one, do you get to enjoy it? Two, where do I get one?

SPEAKER_01 4:28

I don't think you need one, babe.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Yeah, you don't need one. But the question is, how come how? How come why? How much does this cost? How is this? I mean, does it hurt? Does it go? Is it like a robot inside of your situation?

SPEAKER_01 4:45

So many questions. Uh yeah, that's that's a full topic.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

So, yeah, totally different conversation. But nonetheless, for if you're if you're an oldie bit of goody out there, raise your cane. We wanna know. We wanna know how it works, we wanna know if it's still a thing. We want because we actually thought for the longest time, actually, we still think that, but we actually think that at some point we're gonna have to cut it off and say, okay, well, we're retiring from the lifestyle at 55 at the most. I think we that's the number we came up with. We're like, we can't possibly go past 55 because ew, at that point, like why what are we doing? But who knows? Maybe once we're 55, we'll be like, you know what? This has a little shake in its tank still, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

We could still we're like, we're gonna retire at the age of like I guess it's just back to you and me.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

What do you guys think? I I think uh yeah, I think once you reach that age, you're gonna like say, hmm, is this is this for me? Am I not? You know, that's a that's a crossroad.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

What was that song? Do your balls hang low? Do they wobble to the floor?

SPEAKER_02 6:00

And also, like, you're also definitely gonna have a different pool there, too. You know, you're gonna have people who are your age at that age, you know?

SPEAKER_00 6:06

So And they're probably not gonna be so great looking. Because sometimes people are age now, I'd be like, bro, you need to not like what happens. You need to go take a walk and then come back and think of what you did wrong. No, this isn't about body shaming. We're definitely not trying to do that, but with there is definitely an understanding that some people obviously take care of themselves a little bit more than others, and there are groups of really young, well-taken care of adults that participate in the lifestyle that obviously don't meet or you know coincide with the stigma of it being just an older community who's like at the point of fuck it, world, let's just bang whomever's willing. Right. Now, hear me out. We've never been to a cruise.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Neither have we. Or a mixture. Mixture, yeah. I guess it's really depend on the cruise you take.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

What I don't know that I would consider us young spring chickens. I think you you were more like fall chickens. I'm still young. I'm I'm still so I'm still. Yeah, but you're married to an oldie.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

I don't know. He can still good. He can get it up still. I'm still young. Oh. I consider myself still.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

So definitely not fall.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

I'm the baby in this group. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Yeah, when it comes to being cold or when it comes to staying up late, or when it she still needs her bottle at seven o'clock in the evening.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

Fuck yeah, I do go to bed.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

She's the youngest, but she's the oldest.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Yes, true.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

True.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

I do. I act old my age. I really do.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

So the reality, I think, for us is we we actually do have a good variety of uh different age groups within our community community, literally couples in their 20s to maybe in their like sixties, six or sevens, I don't know. One of those. Um, we don't really know because we don't always ask, like, hey, did you do your ARP? You could be my grandparent.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

Oh well, excuse you.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Yeah. It's kind of weird sometimes. I mean what?

SPEAKER_01 8:38

No, that's impossible, actually.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

No, I was just kidding. So it is it is an interesting concept. I think what's really cool though, I will say, what's really cool is when you find the couples who are young but are super cool talking to the older couples. Like, like I can think of a few couples that are like literally can talk to anyone. That doesn't mean you're gonna play with them in any way, shape, or form. It just means you're learning from them and you're like, you know, trying to get some of these wise uh swinger stories? Why swinger stories, do's and don'ts, behaviors and practices, I mean you name it. They've got some stories to tell.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

They can teach us a thing or two.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Yeah, I'm sure they can. I just don't know that I'm willing to like I don't know. I some would say don't knock it till you try it. So have you guys, you know, been like with like grandparents?

SPEAKER_02 9:40

No, I think the oldest like couple we've probably been with is probably in their fifties. Like early 50s, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's like the cutoff, like early 50s.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Wait, how do you know if it's the cutoff? You're not dead yet. Yeah, we don't know, but that's where we have been.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Yes, but he said I feel like the opportunity hasn't really presented itself to us, maybe because we're never open to it. That's why it doesn't. I mean, obviously there was that guy that reached out to us on, you know, social where he's like, hey, you know, I've got a bionic opinion. But outside of that, I mean there's a little bit of curiosity. It's like, so how do you turn this thing on? Hello? Is this thing on? You know, like how do you do that? But I've outside of that, I feel like most of no, not most, I would say all of the events that we've been to, we've always been surrounded with a variety of different age groups, both, you know, you really young in their 20s, and yes, some definitely older ones. I actually probably would frown upon communities who are specific, where like either A, you have to be all super young and fit and like supermodel looking, and then maybe to the other side of the spectrum where you probably all have to be super old. I think that would be like, ew. Like, there's not enough visual to like create real chemistry or like even real conversations, because I feel like one would be super superficial, and then the other one would be super careless. Like, you know, there's nothing real, there's no real depth. But that's just my humble opinion about what that should look like for us, anyway, when we decide to say yes to an event or to participate in a party or something like that. I do have a lot of credit too, also for the people who are a little bit older or even younger. Like in our case, we've for whatever reason get to tend to get a lot of really young people who reach out to us, and I'm like, bro, no, you're way too young. Like in your 20s, chill. Uh, so we constantly have to say, um, thank you, but no, thank you. Did you not see our profile? We are in our 40s, and they're like in their 20s. That's super weird.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Yeah, I think 20s are too young for us.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Way too young. Way too young. Like, that's just not gonna happen. I'm not I'm not one of those creepers, you know. Like they have to at least be lived a little bit. They have to look lived in, season. Season, a little seasoned.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

I mean, there are 20-year-olds that like to love seasoned people. Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Especially, it's so funny. The other day we had a conversation because another gentleman reached out to us and he said, he's like in his late 60s, and he's like, I I love Latin culture, and I would like to connect with you guys totally vanilla. And I'm like, What is that? What the heck does that mean? And I was like, bro, so I sent a message to two other community members, and they're like, Why would they say Latin culture? I said, Well, in our experience, uh, Caucasians tend to like give us this like Latin card first, like, oh, we love Latinos or we love Latin culture as like it's almost like a acceptance card, like, oh, well, then come on over since you guys are since you guys love us Latinos. Now, where's the flautas?

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Where's the Mexican food? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

No, but I think, yeah, I think so that like everybody like has their, I think their age range, like, you know, we're comfortable with, you know, this age, this age, and you can be any age you are and be comfortable with whatever, you know, your parameters are.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

So I don't think there's like an ageism going on at all, you know, just and I've also known of couples who like, for example, really old couples who only want the young ones. That's to each their own, but that's wild. Like it's kind of gonna limit your your uh pool of available willing participants.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

But I've but I do know like some people are like, oh no, you guys are too old for me. I'm like, bro, you're like 80.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

That's true, but like I you know, like I said earlier, there is I don't know, some people do like to not us, but some people do like to explore like young ones like to explore older, and then the older ones want young because they want to get the ones that do. I don't know, you know. It's because the young ones pussies tight. That's why they want the young ones.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Is that why that is?

SPEAKER_02 14:29

I don't know. I think I think all pussies created differently. I mean, you none are the same.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

So why would the young ones want an older person?

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Like maybe Mike Richard said, seasoned, knows what they're doing, knows how to work that robo dick.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

I see.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

But it's not only an age thing. I think another stigma for the lifestyle is it's just a giant orgy. You open the door and it's sweaty bodies going at it, no rules. I think that's a big stigma, too.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Which can be true, but it's not, but it's doesn't have to be true.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Usually not true.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Usually not true. I mean, on a good day it is that for the most part, that that's only like if everybody kind of really knows each other and is super vibey. I think for the most part, I what couples tend to have a hard time with is breaking the ice. So could it happen? Yes, but if they had a hard time breaking the ice, they're just gonna be like lost wandering souls. Like um, who gets to do the first move? Who does the first move? Who who does it, who says what? Who says I want you? Let's go now. Nobody does. People struggle with it.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Nobody likes a pushy couple. You don't want to be like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

You don't want to be like the oh you don't want to be like the pushy couple.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

So sexy. That is so sexy.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Wait, he gets mad at me. So look at him. He's like all the years.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Yeah, yeah. He needs to get in there.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Like open wide.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

You you tell him. You tell him.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

If this was on camera, you guys are like, what is going on right now?

SPEAKER_01 16:11

Eventually, we need to be on camera.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

I know we're playing blowjob mics over here. Yeah, they are. And I'll I let me tell you something. I think Stevie John's better at it than Amanda because he's really good at getting in there.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

Oh, he is. Yeah, he likes it. I know he likes it. He gets right in there.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Yeah, right in there. He opens wide too. Did you see that? Uh-huh. It's my new retainer. Oh my goodness. So I definitely think that some of those situations can happen, uh, although sometimes very unlikely unless you've come across a group that is really well connected and just feels super comfortable with each other. Uh, but the reality is that most party experiences, unless they're really advertising the orgy, are a little bit different. They're a little bit most people are shy by nature. They don't really know how to initiate conversation, and they have a hard time breaking the ice and learning how to hello?

SPEAKER_01 17:12

What is going on?

SPEAKER_00 17:14

They have a hard time breaking the ice and learning how to really engage in that conversation that leads to actual play. Like it probably takes a few drinks down, and there's a little bit of courage, and it takes one person to say, Do you guys want to play? Yes, I thought you never ask. It's 123 in the morning. I thought you'd never ask. Yeah, it's it's the weirdest thing. And maybe we should have a whole topic on how to break the ice or how to read the clues or create the clues, or, you know, maybe learn how to navigate the conversations that need to be had about boundaries and things like that. And even that conversation is a little tricky because as we've spoken about it before, sometimes boundaries are crossed or broken depending on who you're with and how hot the situation is. And before you know it, you're pregnant and having twins.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Oh wow, twins. Oh twins, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

And you don't know who the daddy is.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

That's why you use protection. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

What was our other Oh, that's right. You were gonna come up with a really good one. Oh women? Oh yeah, that all women in the lifestyle are bi.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

That is a stigma too, because that is not true. Actually, we've ran into that.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

Boy, have they ran into it.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

No, we we met a couple couples that the women are like straight. So nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with like, you know, a woman who's who chooses to not participate in that. Like, but you have to definitely have to communicate that. I think like it's hard, like you can't just go in assuming someone is by though. Like you have to say, I would like this, I like this, you know?

SPEAKER_01 19:06

That's true. Because yeah, many times you we just assume, and it's like, oh, sorry. That's when asking permission comes in handy.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Consent.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

That's the word. Yeah. Or you or you start talking about like the things that you're interested in or what you like, what you don't like, and that's how you know you find out too.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Yeah, a lot a a good majority of women do seem to be bi from our experience, but um, the few that you ran into have made it clear beforehand. Like, you know, she's like, I'm not bi, you know? So hey, nothing wrong with that. We can still have a great time.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

And I think that's really smart because they probably deal with it a lot where there it's the assumption that they are bi. And obviously they have to share that right at the beginning. Like, hey, before you try to go down to that cooch cooch, don't even try it. And don't you bring those chocolate chips over here because we ain't even interested.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Right. Because it's not just going directly to that, it's just anything, right? Like touch or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

You know, well, it's interesting because a lot of times the way the ice is broken is that the girls do play. So that throws another dynamic into breaking the ice and getting started, even with this couple who is straight.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Basically, what he just said, guys, is the guys are nubs and they don't know how to initiate, so they rely on the women partners to get the stuff going, and then the guys are like, mm-hmm, yes, we're getting somewhere. That does happen often. Wait, in the last encounter that you guys were there that we witnessed, is she by? Yes, she is.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

I was all in there, I was like, Oh. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

That was very graphic. Sorry guys. Let me think of it like the maybe land.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

You just made me feel some things.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Oh I guess we just don't understand. We don't understand. Hey girl, you want I'll have to try that next time.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Wait, but was she also giving?

SPEAKER_01 21:21

No, she wasn't.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

So maybe she's not.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Maybe she likes to receive.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Well, clearly she did, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:30

They are super new. Yeah. So goddamn it, we're the virgin slayers again.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Kind of. Somebody took your title.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Yeah, we need we need a we need a badge, a patch or something.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Speaking of badge and patches, um, by the time you guys are reading this podcast, we might oh, I'm sorry, not reading, uh, listening to this podcast, we might be modifying the name of the podcast, um, just so that it resonates a little. Little bit better with our community. So we probably did that since it went live. I just want you guys to know that this is the time where the conversation was had of potentially switching it. So it's kind of like a like a little we're going back and we're moving forward. And so we might just name it something that kind of resonates with couples in the swinging community so that people can find us easily versus just our modernly faithful name. Cause we don't want people thinking we're a religious institution.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Imagine them listening to the conversations that we have. Like, oh, it's a it's a church group, and they hear it.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Boom. They said, no, I'm definitely listening. As they're Googling, um, where do I sign up for this? So we can pray for them.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Yeah, totally, totally. Because I feel like um it should be a little bit more clear about who we are. So by the time you guys are reading our podcast, we probably have already made that switch. Uh and so we just want you to know that this is the episode that that conversation came to life. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

What was the other uh was there any more to be written down? Or was it was it TBD?

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Anyone that like stands out, but I definitely would we would love to hear from you guys. What are some of the things that you envision? Like if you've never swung, then do you know or do you have a preconceived idea of what this might actually look like? Like, do you think the moment you walk through the door you're gonna strip you naked and give you a condom? Or do you think we actually had this little thing that we said, oh, this is this new couple coming. The moment they walk in, we're gonna s separate them and give them a scare. Give them a little scare, but no, we would never do that.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Yeah. No, we would never.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

I think something I've seen like on TV, like before we even got involved in it, is this thing called a key party. Like you put your keys in a bowl and whoever's keys you take.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

My brother told me that about that before.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

Yeah, whoever's keys you take, you go in a room with that person. Like, I've never I've never seen that like in your real life.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Yeah, we won't do that. I know um my brother was telling me about it. I was like, what do you mean the key game? He explained to me, he's like, How do you know? You're not even in it. So yeah, he was telling me about it.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

But I don't think that's a real thing, or if it's a real thing, it's not like commonly practiced.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

It's definitely not ethical.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Not it's not, but he said it is.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

I guess it's one of those things that would be the luck of the draw.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

No, not that one.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Yeah, wait, look at the draw.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Who's got the Toyota? That's gonna be so crazy. Oh yes, I got the Porsche. Oh no, I got the Porsche.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Somebody got the Prius.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

It's still a good car though.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

I mean it's tiny but mighty.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Wait, we somehow might not be robotic. Ocean with the motion.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

Ocean with the motion? No, motion. Here's the mic. Oh god Guys, if we if they as long as they stay married through this whole podcast series, then we're good. Oh you know what? Oh my god. We've been hanging around Amanda way too long.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

You know, nobody saw that.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

Apparently we need a camera because things happen.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Hopefully by next year at some point, we will be able to record these live and in a studio. Uh it'll probably have to be on an OnlyFans because they get a little X-rated here. Um, but definitely be cool to broadcast this live. It would be, but then we have to dress up and do our makeup. Oh no, you could go al fresco. Stevie John Stevie John could put his um nuts like right on the seat.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

Oh yeah. There you go, baby.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

On the leather. Oh MG. Guys, if you if you need him for hire, he'll do voiceovers for all your uh 8911, not not 911. What is it?

SPEAKER_01 26:25

How do you for his his scam calls? Scam calls?

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Oh, yeah. Milkman uh phone calls like, hey, I'm calling Sally. So, guys, if you have any more thoughts, ideas, questions about like what are some of the um ideas that you might have of what a swingers party might look like, feel like, uh, then please let us know. We'd love to hear about it. We'd love to comment on it as well, uh, and just kind of get a little bit more conversation going regarding this topic because we'd love to break any stigmas there might be, uh, or sometimes say, no, that's a good one. There that does happen. And I guess all of these things do happen. There are situations where, for the most part, I would say about 90% of the women in the lifestyle are bi.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Or bi or they're by curious, you know.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Yeah. No, that's yeah, in our experience, like we've ran into it. It's only been a few couples that have been like, nope we're straight. And they're they're up front about it, which is nice.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

Right. Yeah. So we'd love to hear more about your thoughts of some stigmatisms that are out. Wait, not stigmatisms. Stigmas. Stigmas.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Something wrong with the eye.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Everything's blurry. Wait, technically, guys, I do have a stigmatism. And this is not a confession. Um, stigmas in the lifestyle, because they are definitely uh conversations that can help ease maybe some of the nerves of attending one, being a part of one. I do think that always the reality of the lifestyle, especially the lifestyle today, is everybody tends to want to at least practice ethical non-monogamy, which ultimately gives you the freedom to not have to do anything. I mean, I'm not gonna vouch for all the communities out there, but at least all the ones that we've been a part of, it really is move at your pace. When you're ready, you're ready. If you just want to watch and observe, you're a creeper, but that's okay. Um it's pre-porn. Yeah. If you want to play with one another and just kind of be watched, that's a new thrill that you probably didn't even know you had until you experience it, right? And I think the other one is once you're ready to engage, it doesn't have to be full-on swap. It could be soft play, it could be same room play. Like, even though, you know, my wife and I have been in the lifestyle for a little bit now, we still only practice same same room play. Like, I I've also met couples who go their separate ways and never play in front of another. They that is their rule. They do not play in front of one another. And to me, that's like weird, you know, it's like, wow, what the heck? Like, they don't even want to know what what the other did with the other person because they don't want to deal with jealousy. So to me, that's wonky.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Or sometimes, or sometimes I've heard too, like, oh, they'll go play and just record it and then they'll watch the recording. Like, that's also kind of weird. Okay, they're not recording.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

But that's something that they've discussed and it turns them on and they like it.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

They don't like recording?

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Because oh, maybe we should take the camera we have in their room off.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Damn it.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Oh, yeah, like when we're doing stuff and I'll start taking pictures, like, oh my god, are you gonna fuck me? Are you gonna take videos and pictures? I was like, well, both.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

The goal is both multitasking. Because I'm in a moment. I'm in a moment. I'm like, you've really gotta stop. Let's keep going. Can we do it afterwards?

SPEAKER_02 30:11

No, I'm going full, quit and turn, you know. Leave me alone.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Oh, so guys, please let us know. Send us an email if you guys have a topic that you guys would love for us to connect about, chat about, please let us know. Send us an email at info at modernlyfaithful.com, and we would love to feature your topic or maybe even your story on our podcast. It would be super fun to see it come to life here and to have us just dissect it and tear it apart and hopefully put it right back together. I think we would love to do something like that.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

I agree. It'd be fun to hear what people think, if they'd like us to follow up on some topics, or they had totally new topics we haven't even come up with yet, you know?

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Discovered, opened, discovered. So, guys, thanks again for listening to our podcast today, maybe even listening to our rant. Uh, so not all the things that we talk about are actual factual things that have happened, although maybe we thought they might have happened or we would have enjoyed that to happen, but um, sometimes are just fantasies that we just kind of blurb out in the open. So please don't take us literally all the time. Most of the time. 90% of the time, maybe 95% of the time, but not like 100% of the time. Um, so hopefully it just provides a little bit of entertainment, some laughs and giggles, and uh hopefully a lot of awareness about ethical non monogamy. And as that goes, we are gonna sign off. Yes. Thank you guys again for joining us. As per usual, don't get pregnant.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

Bye. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

Bye, guys.