Virtual Tours, Big Ideas & Building a Business That Thinks Differently | Annie Bird on Innovation, Marketing & Immersive Content

In this episode of the Built By Her Podcast, Georgie sits down with Annie Bird, co-owner of TD360, to explore the world of immersive content, entrepreneurship, and building a business around innovation.

From interactive virtual tours and 3D visualisations to virtual art galleries and planning developments before they're built, Anne shares how TD360 is helping businesses tell stories, improve accessibility, and bring ideas to life in ways traditional marketing simply can't.

After working in marketing, sales, agency life and even television production, Annie explains how every career step gave her the transferable skills she now uses to help grow the business alongside her partner.

We also dive into the realities of working for yourself, building confidence, finding clients, and creating a business that gives you flexibility without losing sight of growth.

We talk about:

✨ What immersive content actually is and how businesses are using it
✨ Creating virtual tours, 3D visualisations and interactive experiences
✨ How technology is changing architecture, education and property development
✨ Why transferable skills are one of your biggest career assets
✨ The realities of leaving employment to work for yourself
✨ Building a business with your partner
✨ Networking, partnerships and winning new clients
✨ Time management, productivity and avoiding burnout
✨ Why you don't need to have your whole career figured out
✨ Learning to stop downplaying your achievements as a business owner

Whether you're curious about immersive technology, marketing, entrepreneurship or simply figuring out your next career move, this episode is full of practical insights and honest conversations about building a business that's both creative and commercially successful.

Guest:
Annie Bird
Co-Owner, TD360

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Website:
www.td360.co.uk

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Hi Annie, welcome to the podcast. So, for those people who don't know who you are, what do you do and who are you? So, hello, I'm Annie Byrd, and I run an immersive and interactive content agency with my partner. Cool, and what's it called? It's called TD360. Amazing. And what does that mean, immersive? So the way I explain it is that anything that is not flat, so not a flat photo, not a flat video, it's content that you are immersed in. So whether it's like a 3D 3D and you can use it with like VR headsets or anything that you can interact with. So most commonly, I mean there's so many different types, and we'll get into it, but we create bespoke virtual tours. But virtual tours, you know, you can on like right move, you can see a virtual tour. That is like at its most basic level, the interactiveness of like an interactive content. So, but yeah, we create bespoke interactive content. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

And what sort of when you say like bespoke, to what level? Like what sort of projects do you do?

SPEAKER_00 1:29

We do really niche projects. So we like I love creating virtual tours for schools because each school is so different. So we can really get we can really create a unique and bespoke virtual tour for like individual schools. So the branding looks different, the clickable buttons and the way you navigate the space is completely different. It's not clunky. So some of these, like you know, very basic ones, you're like just crazy. Yeah. And so we can cut out all of that. But it also just depends on what I don't know, the the client wants. Sometimes it's purely for sales and marketing. They they want a virtual tour for sales and marketing. Sometimes it's for accessibility and wayfinding. So we do need to go into a bit more detail. But again, everything's really thought through and yeah, curated so that it's bespoke to the client. Yeah. So that's like kind of and we we do that of real spaces, like physical spaces that exist already, or it can be we we create like virtual experiences of interactive content of places that aren't existing already. So like visualizations of new schools or new factories, or and again, it's completely bespoke and it's helping whether it's prospective parents or you know, trying recruitment to get to show staff what the space is going to look like. It's all kind of created with that in mind. And yeah, so I hope does that explain it? It does.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

But it isn't just schools you do and factories, like you can also do like a field, right? And if a developer is looking to put property on it, yeah, very hard to visualize, maybe might have a planning.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Yes, 100%. So we work closely with design review panels because yeah, so for example, say if you wanted to develop a plot of land, well, yeah, what's that gonna look like? And it can help bring people on board. So whether that's getting funding or yeah, planning permission, sales and marketing. So we do a like a whole scan of the field and you can show like where the buildings are gonna be, what it's gonna look like from different areas, you know, will they have if there's like a river nearby, will they have to put a bridge in, access, say if it's for like retirement homes, you know, distance into the town centre, are there bustling? So all of that from from creating a a virtual tool, like a scan of a field, we can help answer those questions and it's like building a new world as well, though, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

You build that world that they're gonna potentially see. Yeah. And not everyone can visualize stuff. Like it's quite amazing how many people can't see what a space is gonna look like, let alone a field. Yes. Or let alone a school if they haven't been able to see it. Yeah, definitely. So I can imagine that helps massively for builders, for people buying the land, for like you said, planners, surveyors as well.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Like we recently did one and our team had to basically trudge through a forest because there was a cycle path being developed. So that's really hard for people to visualize when it's just forests. So we yeah, basically scanned the forest, like did a virtual tour of the forest, aerials, everything, and then we visualized what where the lane would be so that people can see it. And yeah, even just like planning with space, like how the builders are going to get there and all of this sort of stuff, what we do can basically answer so many things, or just help conversations flow the project and help overall project management. So, yeah, really, really broad, like building, construction, development, schools, you know, machinery, factories. And then we also have had like a long, we've got quite a good niche within the art world. So we create lots of virtual art galleries, yeah, which has been amazing because Tom, my partner, he's really, really into art. And so for him, he absolutely loves creating these spaces and seeing the art. Explain this to me. So a visual, an immersive art gallery, how does that work? Okay, so we build, so we work with the client to create their dream gallery space. So it can there, there's no limit because it's all virtual. So we don't have to have planning permission, we don't have to talk to architects, have a budget or a budget or anything. So we can literally build a dream gallery space, and often that really mirrors and reflects the actual art that is in the space. So yeah, we build this amazing virtual art gallery, and users obviously all around the world can access the art anytime, obviously from anywhere, and they can access it on a laptop, a phone, or VR headset, and they can see the art and wander around the gallery and yeah, look at the art in detail. So we work with like individual clients um to create a virtual art gallery for them, and then we work with other clients, like bigger clients that perhaps have exhibitions. So um we've they've got their own space that we've honed and created for them, and then they we change out the art for them depending on what exhibition they want to show. So cool. Yeah, so it really just opens up the audience to a global market, yeah. And yeah, we worked with some Korean artists with Artcans, so yeah, that they're really, really interesting projects to work on.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Yeah, so different, and I guess such a different experience for the like user. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

No.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

So it is quite a unique industry.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

How did you get into it? So I have I worked in marketing and sales, and I worked in a big agency in London. So I worked, so I have like agency experience and marketing experience, and then I met Tom, who's my partner, and he's had TD360 for about six years. So it was like we he was at a space to grow. So I was like, Well, I'd love to get on board, and I feel like I could really, you know, help and grow the business with you. So he was like, loved that. So and yeah, 18 months later, that's what we're doing. So I feel like I mean, Tom says it's been really good because so Tom's always worked for himself. He's always since leaving uni, he's had T D360. But I've obviously worked at like a big agency with processes and structure and systems and everything. So being able to share that and and with TD360 and like with the team, it's really been great, even like on calls and you know how you know calls go with big bigger companies. Yeah. So yeah, it's he said it's been really, really good. And we've yeah, we're working, we've worked with since not not not to take all the credit, because that's absolutely not true. Really want to preface that. Really want to preface that. But we're working with some really like big household names now. So it's it's it's so exciting, and yeah, that's how I got into it basically. Oh, amazing.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

So let's just go back a bit. So you said you worked in an agency, you worked in in marketing. Yeah. So this is obviously quite a big jump between probably what you were doing before to what you were doing now.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

How have how has your career sort of like flowed since leaving university?

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Okay, so my career's definitely flowed quite a lot since university. What did you study at university? So I studied political science and international relations. Okay. I actually don't know whether this will make the cut, but I actually wanted to do fashion marketing because I didn't think I was that academic. And then I got luckily we did ASs. And so I actually got really good grades at AS. And so the school were like, I think you should do a broader academic thing subject of, you know, to see where you want to go. So I did political science and international relations, and then, but in the summers I interned at a uh Chatland-based company called SLG. And so then when I graduated, I luckily it was it was in COVID, and they was they really wanted me to work for them. So it was fantastic. So I managed to work in marketing at SLG for about nine months, but I was really itchy to get to London. So, and everyone that worked there, they were like, You'd be great at sales. So I was like, Well, maybe I should try sales then. So there I went to London, got went into tech sales, did not really enjoy that. Loved the team, loved the environment, but and I learned so much. I mean, I think everyone, I mean, if you want to build resilience, definitely get into being like a sales development representative or like a BDR or you know, because the resilience of like cold calling, I mean, it's basically parallel to none. So did that for a bit, and then I was like, I really and I really miss the creativity side of that I had at SLG. So that I had from marketing. So agency was the perfect hybrid of having that, you know, talking to clients, talking to people, being really, really sociable, and like yeah, soft sales, and then the creativity. So agency life was just like the perfect blend. So I did that for a few years, and then I was like, I basically, you know, I was like, I need to go traveling. I've not been traveling. I need to. I need to go traveling because didn't have a gap year, graduated in COVID, so I really wanted to go traveling. So went away for about yeah, six weeks to Indonesia, but it wasn't enough. So I was like, okay, I need to do Central America, South America. So I came back and I thought instead of getting, you know, going back into agency life and marketing, I I've always wanted to work in TV. So I thought I'll trial out TV. And on the side, I'd been doing a few TV, like runner jobs for the BBC on the side. So so yeah, so then straight away ended up working for Strictly basically. So I did that for six months, which was an amazing experience, absolutely amazing experience. But but yeah, yeah, six months was enough. Six months was enough. Six months was enough, and I decided I want to go back to like not nine to five, but obviously when you work for yourself, it's not really nine to five, but just having more control over my hours. Yeah, but it's funny because you know, I always say to people who are younger than me, like family friends or you know, family, don't be afraid to try different things because it all stacks on top of each other, it all builds like now. Obviously, you having the agency, having some experience in sales has been absolutely amazing because that's definitely for me what I find the hard hardest bit about having your own company. So having that experience is really great, so it all works out, and I think just try things if you all just build knowledge, builds experience. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

You can't, you know, you either learn something really good or you learn something really bad and you just know not to use it again.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

Yeah, and even if it's like just telling you what kind of life that you want to create, you know. I always thought fantasized about working in TV, and I did really love it, like I had really amazing experiences, but I knew after that experience that I wanted more control over my hours and like my life, and that I just felt like I was a bit out of control with it. Yeah, so even that, what fantastic knowledge to get from that experience because yeah, I just do not want to have any regrets, so yeah, just got to try everything. That's what I think.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

And so then you went traveling again, yes. And then you came back and then you started working with Tom.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

Well, we actually worked whilst we were traveling, so yeah, it was definitely a once-in-a-lifetime experience. So, yeah, it was really amazing, you know. So we would the time zones were a bit different, difficult. We would wake up like, you know, it ranging from five, we would start work at five to seven if we had a call. That's just if we wanted to go traveling, that's kind of like what we had to do. Yeah, and but it was just amazing to be able to, you know, to see different parts of the world. And yeah, I felt I do feel really lucky that we were able to work, you know, whilst traveling. Would you do it again? I would in many years to come. I think so. Tom, my partner, he worked really hard to set up the business so that he could, you know, uh keep things running and whilst he was, you know, away. And it's amazing. But I think right now we're like it's amazing to be able to be available 24-7, like in the same country. And I don't know, I feel like at the moment we're uh we want to focus on growth. So like I wouldn't be able to be doing this podcast with you right now.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Quite hard if you and Barley.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

Yeah, exactly. So we would do it again, but I think like in in in definitely yeah, like 10-15 years time, I think. Yeah, because it is also it like it is actually quite stressful. What like traveling, planning where you're going, everything, and like running a business at the same time. It is like a lot, like you know, yeah, but you often we would just be working the whole day, and mum was like, Why have you gone to Mexico just to work 12 hours in your room? And I was like, No, mum, it's so fun.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

I'm the best, I promise you. I think that's something to touch on no, like this whole like nomad lifestyle that is really quite popular, yeah. And it's like you can work from anywhere and you can do this, and you know, it isn't the reality of it, isn't actually as shiny and glamorous as it might be portrayed on someone's social media. No, and I think that's a really fair point. Like you can be in Mexico, but you can be in a room for 12 hours, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Definitely, like, you know, also if you want it to grow, like if you want what you're doing to grow, if you're a freelancer, honestly, and that's yeah, social media freelancing. I really think you could definitely, you could absolutely do do that. And I you you'd you know you wouldn't be bothered for me.

unknown 16:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

But if you want to have it like an agency and grow something, I think it's really difficult to be like hopping around. You need to kind of, yeah, you need roots, you need network, you need to build your community. And I think, you know, yeah, when you build your communities and especially what we do is quite like niche in terms of like interactive content or immersive content. So being able to be like, oh, I know, I know like people that know how to do that. You we have that more in Chatham and being back in the UK and London rather than being like in Mexico or Guatemala or whatever. So I think yeah, it's there's always a trade-off, isn't there? So it's like yeah, what yeah, there's always a trade-off. That's basically it. So and it is difficult, it is more difficult than you than like it's betrays. Yes, because especially if you want to do traveling, if you just want to like live a live abroad, like that's that's fine. But like planning the traveling whilst working, yeah, it did take a lot of organization.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

So in terms of like your leads and stuff, and where you get clients, obviously you just said having a good network and community is kind of valuable, but yeah. Is it word of mouth? Is it through your social? Like, is it through your website?

SPEAKER_00 17:19

I think so last year it was we we were because we we were away for half of it, it was it was basically all inbound. Yeah. This year, 2026, we have like set out that we really wanted to focus on in outbound.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

So we we were doing trade going to trade shows of industries that we work a lot within. I think our network has been, I I would probably say our fit like network, like networking is probably been the best that we've had like the the most success in. And then niche, like really like I I don't know whether niche is the right word, but you know, online communities as well. So like Facebook groups, that works quite well for us, you know, because some people, because we like to partner with agencies. So sometimes, like, say if I'm gonna make up a name, I I I don't know who to to pluck out of thin air, but like let's just say if Barclays partners with an agency, they've got like their marketing agency, they're locked in with that deal, but they want to do something which is out of their bandwidth, then partnering together because we've we're specialized in this space, yeah. That can that works really well, and we really enjoy doing that. Yeah, it's really nice like working in a bigger team collaboratively. Yeah, we love doing that. So agencies, we want you. But we're always we always love partnering with agencies, so that's another area. So again, that's networking, isn't it? Like building your community. I was also gonna ask, so you've got a background in marketing.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah. Have you felt that the stuff that you did previously in the agency is like the same as what you do now, or is it actually quite different because of the sort of environment and industry you're actually working in?

SPEAKER_00 19:08

The project management side of things, even though like the the the process, so I was in branding and packaging, yeah. The processes are different, but the actual project management of it is is not. So, like, you know, cost estimates, timelines, like correspondence, you know, the stages and everything like that, it's different work, but it's the same processes. So that's been completely transferable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

That really touched on your point earlier though about all the jobs that you've done and how actually you'll pick up a skill and you can move it into another role. So the transferable skills that you've gained. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Exactly. So yeah, literally, exactly. And I think creative creatively, so doing marketing. Oh, also in on my first, so SLG when I did my internships there, SLG is a in is a cosmetic company, global cosmetic company. They make really cool products and they're they're social media led. So they were ahead of the curve before everyone else was. I mean, I had TikTok and was doing TikToking and stuff like that for these brands before TikTok was like a thing. So that's been but that's been really great, like editing, and because again, social media, developing social media with TD360 in the business now, like that's been a transferable skill. Then yeah, sales, that's been a transferable skill. And then agency, that's been a transferable skill to all help, yeah. I suppose, yeah, help with the running and kind of like, you know, running your own company. So yeah, definitely I would say don't be afraid to hop around because my friend says, like, when your your work experience, you know, it's a bit like, or like building your career, it's a bit like chiseling like a sculpture, say. But people think it's like what out of like, you know, those, you know, Michelangelo or whatever. Like, no, it's not like that. You're just like blocking things on, and then at the end it looks all beautiful. Yeah. So that's kind of what I think like your experience, you know, should look like. Well, not should do whatever you want, but like would be good to look like, you know, yeah, get your transferable skills or all blocks building on top of each other, really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Okay, so you've obviously transferred quite a lot of your skills over, but is it anything that you have struggled with that you didn't have a transferable skill in my way previously?

SPEAKER_00 21:27

I've worked in sales, but I still find sales really difficult. So I suppose like we could work with other people, you know. We have thoughts about working with a, you know, a specialist in that space. But I would say, yeah, like sales is probably the hardest, hardest area. But I don't know whether we're alone in that. I feel like lots of people do find that hard as well.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

I think sales is really interesting. I think it's really easier to sell someone else's business than it is to sell your own sometimes. Yes. I could probably sell your business a lot easier than you could, like then you could sell it because I don't have that sort of like imposter syndrome about it at the same time. Yeah. So yeah, I I find personally selling my own business impossible. Like I just don't want to do it.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Yeah, I agree. And I feel like I don't know why, but I've just got like a habit of like downplaying things. And yeah, so sales is probably, even though I've worked in that space, I do struggle with that. And I suppose it's like even just like making the plan of action of like right, we're gonna do like I do struggle with that, but that's where like Chat GPT and Claude are your friends, you know, they can help like AI can really help guide you in that space. But yeah, I would say that's been my personal biggest struggle. Why do you think you damn play stuff? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

I know I do exactly the same thing. I'm not asking to be talking no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

I do the same thing. People go, Oh, what do you do for a job? Yeah, oh yeah, just like my boyfriend. I say I I work for an interior design company.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Yeah. I don't say it's mine. No, I know why do we do this? We need to stop doing this.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

It's interesting though. But then my partner who has his own company will say, Oh, I I own a company.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

I yeah, I really struggle. Like, yeah, I know. Tom was like saying, like, don't downplay anything. And I was like, I know, I won't, I won't.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

I won't. I just work for my boyfriend.

unknown 23:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Not true. Um, but yeah, I don't know, I don't know whether it's more of a female trait. I'm not sure. I don't know what it is, but we need to get rid of it. We need to leave it behind this next half of 2026. We just need to like not downplay. We need to upplay.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

So, what's your upplay traffic gonna be then? What's your elevator? No, no, no. Speech gonna be. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

I'll work on it. I'll next next time I'm back. No, but it is like, yeah, something that I definitely need to work on. But yes, sales, I would say, is like the hardest, the biggest challenge. Yeah. Also, working for yourself for the first time, like that's a challenge in itself, isn't it? Like navigating that whole space, although I have loved it.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

How do you find like time time management?

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Time management, I feel like at the start, probably no, I I'm I've always been quite diligent, but definitely it's something that I've seen like growth in get much better. Like time blocking is your best friend. I really find time blocking, you know, even I even put in like breakfast, lunch, working on this for you know, this many hours in the morning, and I write out the whole thing and my whole plan of action for the day, and that's really, really helped. I would say, though there's still space to grow in that area, like time planning is good.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

I think it's good. I think time blocking is really good.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Because you can kind of get really like sidetracked by stuff, and sometimes if you just have yourself a hard cut-off, like no, by one o'clock this has to be done. I find otherwise I get so distracted. I'm like doing God knows what.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Set up a whole different project. And I'm like, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

I also find like prioritizing, like having two prior, like two things that I must get done in the day, doing that really helps as well. Like just two, these are the two things I cannot not do today.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Apply to an email.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

Done. But those are the two things that I can't do. So like I don't know, say if you say it's like, you know, some days a good day, some days a bad day. So even if you're having a bad day, just be like, I okay, you're having like you're not feeling on top, on your top form today. But if I get these two things done, that at least I've got those two things done. So I felt I felt like, yeah, time blocking and prioritizing has really helped with that.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

I do think that's something to consider as well, actually. I think as a woman, there's a lot of pressure to just be really good all the time, and you can't, you just can't be really good all the time. And I think you do need to give yourself some lenience on days, weeks, whatever it might be, where you're just overexhausted, you've been working really hard, and sometimes having one day off is okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

I know. The guilt though. Yeah, the guilt of it, the guilt of it, but definitely sometimes I yeah, you just have to kind of talk to yourself and be like, it's okay, it's okay. Like, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

I think the the bonus of having your own time there and being able to sort of like morph it however you like, is you don't really have Monday scaries. I don't know if you have Monday scaries, but I don't have Monday scaries, but I also don't have a Saturday and Sunday. The week is just the week of seven days, and I might take off a day on a Thursday because I'm tired.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

I by the way, I could not agree more. Yeah, I don't get Monday Sunday Sunday scaries anymore. But you're right, like you know, it was last weekend we were we were working over the the whole weekend. That's fine. That's fine because then yeah, I can but I can take an afternoon off to get my eyebrows done or something like that, you know. But so I think it's balance, isn't it? You know, you can't and also I do have to say I think working for yourself, like you do have to be kind to yourself at sometimes. I think there was like we did work solidly for about, you know, I think it was like 12 days, which loads of people probably do, not sorry. But I but I then felt really ill at the end of it, and it's like no, you actually need to just sometimes just have some breaks and and you know, or build in some a bit of like rest or things that you enjoy throughout the day, like a really nice walk or you know, going to get a coffee or something like that, and where you can kind of just like decompress a little bit, yeah. But yeah, I I wouldn't change I actually wouldn't change it though. I do I because I enjoy it, I don't mind working over the weekends at at all, you know, especially if it's an exciting project. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

You wouldn't change it. No. How do you find your like friendship community, like since working for yourself for yourselves, essentially? Did did Tom already have like a bunch of friends in the same sort of environment where they worked for themselves, or were they all working nine to five? Because that's also quite a big transition when all your friends work Monday to Friday, nine to five, yeah, and they're expecting you to come out on weekends and do stuff, but you're like, I can't work.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

So, I mean, definitely for Tom, he built a really good community in London with agency owners. So that's really nice because he's got a lot of friends that kind of get it. And also with Tom, so Tom's slightly older than me, and I feel like a lot of them now they've got to about 30 and they're thinking, actually, I want to do my own thing. So they're kind of looking to him and they understand kind of the way it works because they've lived with Tom or whatever, and they've seen that he sometimes he can take, I don't know, like he can take a day off on a Wednesday, but he's working over the weekend or whatever. So they kind of get it and are actually like inspired by it, like they want to kind of have a bit more control over their life. With me, my friends definitely are, you know, still in the nine to five. It's more like, you know, if something's booked in an advance, I'll I I can make it, but it's more like I just don't like planning things in the week now because like things spill over. We often work, you know, you know, really late or even after dinner or stuff like that. So, but if things are booked in advance, I always try and do my best to kind of like make it and prioritize it. I think where I found the hardest thing to adapt to working for ourselves is the life min side of things. So, you know, the doctor appoint the doctor appointments, the dentist appointments, you know, like all of that sort of stuff, like the life min, because you can't do that in the working. Well, if you're doing it in the working day, you're taking away work from like, you know, build it, like getting new business or time on projects or whatever. So I think the life min side of things has has gone a bit more downhill. But so I need to rejig that. I need to get back to my time blocking. Yeah. Maybe I need to make more priorities.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Maybe just do it on like a Friday afternoon where you're gonna be annoyed.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

I actually did think about that the other day. I was like, I think I need to set aside two hours a week of life min, and that's my life min time. Again, just time blocking.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

I don't know, a glass of wine or something.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

Yeah, make it enjoyable. Yeah, yeah, put a bit of real housewives on or something like that, you know, and do it. No, I need to solely focus when that when that's on.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

That's more of a priority than live admin.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

But yeah, no, that's that's the one thing, like, you know, that's the that's the side of it. Yeah. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Well, thank you for your time today. Oh gosh. For people that want to be able to find you, where can they find you?

SPEAKER_00 30:53

Okay, so you can follow TD360 on Instagram. You can obviously check out our website, which is at td360.co.uk. You can follow me on LinkedIn. I post uh well, I'm trying to post a lot more about TD360 on there. So that's that's a good way to find us. Uh and send me an email, which is annie at td360.co.uk.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Oh very simple. Fab. Well, thank you so so much. It's been great.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

I've loved it. Thank you.