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Does Canadian Food Even Exist?

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In this episode, we tackle a deceptively simple question: Does Canadian food even exist?

Canada is known for its diversity, but what does that actually mean for the food we eat every day? We talk about the meals we grew up with, from breakfast to dinner, and realize just how hard it is to define something as “typically Canadian.”

Of course, we don't skip the classics — poutine certainly gets a mention, but beyond a few iconic dishes, things get a little… complicated.

Is Canadian food a specific cuisine, or is it a mix of everything? Come for the food nostalgia, stay for the existential culinary crisis.

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SPEAKER_01

Canadian food. What even is that, Misha? Question number one: Does it exist? We'll find out. Hello, Eepers. Welcome to another episode of Extra English Podcast with Misha and Larissa.

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We're two Canadian English teachers talking about life in Canada, our lives, and anything else that might interest us. And hopefully we'll interest you too. So join us for another conversation.

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Welcome back to the Extra English Podcast. Today we're going to talk about a very robust topic. Okay. Food. Food. And specifically Canadian food.

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What even is that, Misha? Question number one: Does it exist? We'll find out. Students will often ask, what is Canadian food? What should I try? Like give me some ideas about like typical Canadian food. What do you say?

SPEAKER_01

I uh in all these years of teaching, I still do not have a good answer to that question. There is no good answer. There's no good answer. Why not? Canada is so multicultural. Yep. What I eat in my home, what you eat in your home, what my neighbors eat in their homes is different. Yeah. What I grew up eating versus what someone else on my block grew up eating is different. Yeah. And a lot of it is from other places. Most of it is from other places. 99.99% of it. A lot of it. So it's hard to say, you know, if I tell you the things I like to eat or the things my mom cooked when I was a child, most of that is from elsewhere. Originally. So that's why it's tricky. It's a hard one to answer.

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It's really hard. So before we get into all of that, the typical answer to that question is probably poutine. Yes.

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Which neither of us will pronounce exactly correctly, but hopefully we won't pronounce it too wrong.

SPEAKER_00

Poutine. So that is French fries with cheese curds on it, and then a sauce, a salty sauce called gravy. Is that Canadian? I guess it was developed here. It originated in Canada. Oh, that's Canadian. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It was made here. That's a Canadian dish. We got one. We got one. We got one. Nanaimo bars. Nanaimo bars are too, and that's where my list ends. Yeah. On Nanaimo bar, in case you haven't had it, which if you don't live in Canada, you probably have it. Probably not. But it's sort of like a cookie-ish base, not quite cookie. It's a bar. It's a sweet. Crumb coconut. And then so it has a base that's kind of made of dough-ish stuff. And coconut. Yeah. And then another layer that's sort of like icing, really. A thick layer of icing. But it's yellow. Yeah. It's important. And then a layer of chocolate on top. It's delicious. It is so good. Yeah, it's so good. It's a dessert, of course. Yes. It's very good.

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And a small piece is enough because it's very sweet. Well.

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Opinions differ. No, it's true. It's very sweet.

SPEAKER_00

And is it true that it's named after the place that it was developed? I think so. That's my understanding. I think so. There's a city in British Columbia called Nanaimo. Yeah. So that's what we think is true. I don't think it was the other way around.

SPEAKER_01

A city named after a dessert. Seems unlikely.

SPEAKER_00

Although the Saskatoon berry, no, Saskatoon the city was named after the berry. Was it? Yes. Interesting. The berry wasn't called Saskatoon Berry. It was there was an indigenous name.

SPEAKER_01

I see.

SPEAKER_00

Um, in a language that I cannot speak. Yes. But it was translated into English to Saskatoon. Oh. And then the city was named after that. Interesting. Yeah. So it can happen.

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Canadian facts. So I mean, then maybe we have to look into Nanaimo. Which came first.

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But also maybe we should say, but maybe we should say Saskatoon berries are Canadian. Do they only grow here? I don't know. But for sure they grow here. For sure they do. And like they've been here long enough that they're older than the city of Saskatoon. So that feels pretty Canadian.

SPEAKER_01

That seems like a Canadian food. But I bet most people who live in Canada haven't eaten Saskatoon.

SPEAKER_00

I think you're right. If you live in Alberta, Saskatchewan, or a city. Or the city. Well, do you think most people who like grew up in Toronto have eaten a Saskatoon berry? No, but I think everybody in in the West has.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, do you think so?

SPEAKER_00

Not the West necessarily, but Alberta.

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I see.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. My sister lives in Edmonton, and I was there during Saskatoon berry season, which is June slash July, in case you're interested. Did you time it that way? Larissa loves to collect berries. I love them. I love them so much. Um, and they there was a sign that I saw that said, now selling Saskatoon pie. The prairie berry, they called it.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's catchy.

SPEAKER_00

The prairie berry, right? Prairie berry. I like it. So I think they're proud of it. So they probably have. But you're right. We live in Ontario. And I also think you are correct, Misha. The average Ontarian probably has never tried this food, but they should.

SPEAKER_01

Well, also, there are Saskatoon berry trees throughout our city. Yeah. So it's not that it doesn't or can't grow here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, interesting. Most of them have been planted intentionally.

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Yeah. Not just growing wild. Urban harvesters like Clarissa.

SPEAKER_00

Like us. But that's a bit of an aside or a tangent.

SPEAKER_01

There you go. A tangent about a berry. That's that's the right kind. That's about the prairie berry. The prairie berry. Well, that's kind of our list of truly Canadian. Do you know what? People often talk about butter tarts as a Canadian food.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I think they are originally French. Oh. I think. Okay. This is guesswork on our part here.

SPEAKER_00

Tell us about the butter tart.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, a butter tart, if you have never had one, is delicious.

SPEAKER_00

Also sweet. Can you tell what kind of foods Misha likes?

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Listen, I I like all the foods. Sweet, salty. Bring it my way. But yeah, I have a sweet tooth for sure. A butter tart is like a mini pie. So it's got pie pastry in a little cup shape. And then the middle is filled with like a butter. Sugar. Sugar, butter, egg. Don't you think? I think that's what makes it. I think that's what makes a butter. That's what makes that texture. For sure there's sugar and butter, for sure. And some butter tart. I'm pretty sure it's egg that because it's kind of I was gonna say gelatinous, but that doesn't make it sound very good, but it's very good. But you can have a runny center as well. Yes, which is also good. That's true. Okay, we have to do a little more research. I'm gonna find a butter tart recipe to share with you all. Anyway, it's delicious. Sometimes people just put a plane. Yeah. You can also have raisins, is a common additive. I love a raisin.

SPEAKER_00

That is controversial though. There people have strong opinions about raisins in things. I also love them. Yeah. But not everybody does, and they will let you know. We're right.

SPEAKER_01

The raisin loving contingent is on the right side of the fruit debate. You can also put pecans on them. Which is a type of nut. If you've ever had a pecan pie, that's a large butter tart. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah. That's the the makings of a butter tart.

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So we're telling you these are delicious foods, but you need to remember we grew up in Canada. And so we are accustomed to a level of sugar that you might not be, depending on where you grew up. I find a lot of people I know from other places find typically or desserts that are typically served here to be too sweet.

SPEAKER_01

Butter tarts and enamel bars are very sweet. Very sweet. I could see that. Yeah. They might not be everyone's cup of tea. They might not be. But they go really well with a cup of tea. They would. Ooh, a butter tart and a cup of tea. Yes. That sounds good. While we're on the topic of Canadian food, I think it is worth mentioning that neither Larissa nor I are indigenous Canadians. So that is a whole food culture that we're not informed about and can't speak to. And I'm sure there is lots there. Maybe we'll have to have a guest on sometime who can tell us about that.

SPEAKER_00

That's so interesting. That would be great. So when Misha talks about we're not indigenous, she means we don't have the heritage of the people who lived on this land before the European settlers came. We are the descendants of European settlers. That's right. Yeah. My family came from Holland and Ireland and England and yours.

SPEAKER_01

My background is all German Mennonite. So that's our cultural viewpoint. Worth mentioning. When talking about anything, but also food. We'll have to do an episode on that at some point, alright? Our cultural backgrounds. Absolutely. Stay tuned. Back to food. Yeah, of course. Uh I mean, there's not a lot of Canadian foods that we are aware of, but we could talk about the things that we ate commonly growing up. Yeah, sure. For example, the breakfast I had all the time as a kid was Cerios. Cereos. Cerios. Right? Cereal is a very common breakfast food. Yes. Cerios, cornflakes. My mother was anti-sugar, so we did not have the sugary cereals that are quite common. But that didn't stop us from adding sugar ourselves. But that was something I ate a lot growing up. That might be typical for a lot of people who grew up in Canada.

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Yeah, me too. As a child, I grew up eating cold cereal for breakfast. Um, but now as an adult, I I would say I never eat cold cereal.

SPEAKER_01

No, I haven't bought cereal in.

SPEAKER_00

I will have a granola, which is like um oats and nuts and honey, kind of baked cereal.

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Raisins if you're smart.

SPEAKER_00

And I'll eat that with yogurt. So that's kind of my grown-up version of cold cereal for breakfast. But as a kid, it was like, yeah, rice crispies with crispies, with milk, and then sugar. That's it.

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Not the healthiest. Start to the morning.

SPEAKER_00

Where's the protein? Where are the vitamins? The fiber. Where's yeah? Yeah.

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Uh my mom makes a great granola. Did you know? Oh, no. Oh, yeah. She keeps us supplied because my son loves her granola. Oh. He eats granola for breakfast a few times a week at least. So she always keeps us well stocked. Yeah, it's delicious.

SPEAKER_00

So for breakfast now, sometimes I'll have granola and yogurt, but I often prefer a savory breakfast.

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Yeah.

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So a savory breakfast would be something like eggs or toast and cheese. Um, not a delicious full Turkish breakfast. That would be amazing, but I like if somebody made that for me, I would be so happy.

SPEAKER_01

You want to volunteer? I will say, in when I've lived overseas or even traveled to other countries, our breakfast is the worst. I'm just gonna say it. Yeah. It's boring. It's not that great. Everywhere I've been has a better breakfast than ours. So don't don't, if you're coming to Canada to visit or to live, don't have high expectations of our breakfast. It's not our best showing, I don't think. No, some people will just have coffee and that's it. Listen, I often just have coffee and that's not a great start to the day.

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Or maybe a pastry like a muffin or some coffee. Coffee and a muffin. I love that.

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But I am not a good example of healthy eating, much as I aspire to one day be.

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I I like to have um leftovers for breakfast sometimes.

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Me too.

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I'll often make uh fried rice, maybe, which is more like a a dinner, I would say. But I'll eat that for breakfast. It has a carbohydrate, it's got eggs in there. I'll throw in some frozen peas. I feel like I've had a complete filling meal in the morning. I think that's a good way to go.

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Yeah.

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All right, so after breakfast comes lunch.

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Are you skipping straight over brunch? Oh, okay. We don't have to discuss it at like and brunch? No, no, no. It's a it's an either-or situation. Yeah. If you haven't heard of brunch, I think it's an important cultural aspect. Bring it. Brunch is a combo word combining breakfast and lunch. So you would eat it in place of both of those meals. Yes. It's mostly popular as a social activity, right? You might meet up with your friends out at a restaurant for brunch or have people over for brunch. Yeah. And it it might include breakfast or lunch foods. Oh, that's the beauty of brunch. That is the beauty.

SPEAKER_00

That it could be like eggs and the things you don't really have time to make uh for a breakfast. Yes, or it could be salads. Like it could be anything.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Love it.

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Brunch. Brunch. Yeah.

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But I am skipping brunch because we're skipping over brunch.

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That was an aside.

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This story in this like regular reality. I have breakfast and then I have lunch. And then lunch. And what did you grow up having for lunch? Well, for lunch, I brought my lunch to school in a little lunch pail. Yeah. And uh that's something actually I find a lot of people who are new to Canada struggle with this idea of having to pack a lunch for their kids in the morning. Maybe you're used to the schools providing it, or maybe the student your kids come home before it's a meal time. Right. So that can be like a lot of mental juggling. I know.

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When you start. My son starts school in September. Oh. And I'm nervous about this. It seems like a lot of thinking ahead and planning. Well, because at daycare, he gets his food at school, right? They cook it, they cook it for him at daycare, which is great. It's amazing. But yes. The typical routine here for school is you send your kid with lunch and snacks.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Yeah. So my lunch, I would I can I can picture it. I can picture my lunchbox. It was plastic, and I would open it up. There was a thermos in the top with orange juice, usually. Oh, interesting. Orange juice. And then there would be a sandwich with white bread and like a fake fake cheese on it. Oh, like American cheese, as they call it. Yeah, craft singles. They come in plastic individual wrappers that would be on there. Uh-huh. Maybe some lunch meat. Um, I'd usually have an apple and maybe some cookies, maybe some crackers, something like that. Like those very white, like white flour-based. Wait. Like not a lot of not a lot of um fiber, not a lot of nutrients. But that's what we were all eating back then.

SPEAKER_01

Well, do you know what? I think our households were probably pretty different. Okay. We did not have white bread or juice or processed cheese. Okay. My mom is very health conscious. She's a nurse, but also it's just her personality. She's very and she loves to cook. So, but you know, honestly, I can't specifically remember what I would often bring for lunch. I think I would also have a sandwich. Okay. But it would have been like a bread full of seeds, which I would have complained about as a child. I wanted it. That's all you want. Exactly. As a child, I wanted what Larissa had, and it was not what I was being given. Probably that, some carrot sticks, maybe hummus, an apple for sure. My dad was an apple farmer when I was younger. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't eat hummus until I was an adult. Interesting. Because that's not a Canadian, I'm saying this with air quotes, Canadian food.

SPEAKER_01

Well, this is this is exactly the point we're making, right? Larissa and I both grew up here, but uh we had very different food experiences as children. Yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, moving on. Moving on. Supper. Yes. Um my family tended toward more of a European standard. Probably yours did too if you're Mennonite, like a meat and a potato and a vegetable, like the three parts of a meal. Yeah. My mom would sometimes make pasta, lasagna. She was very good at making lasagna lasagna from Italy. Um she would sometimes make rice aroni. Do you remember rice aroni? Another thing we didn't have in my house. No. In the I grew up in the 80s, and it was really like this is when packaged food in Canada became very accessible, very affordable. And so this was a box of rice and pasta and flavor.

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Flavor. Yeah. That grows on a tree. We don't know what it's made of.

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No idea. Spices, salt, I don't know. And you'd mix it together on the stove, and there was your side. Interesting. Yeah. Huh. Craft dinner was pop.

SPEAKER_01

We didn't have dinner. Sorry. This is another thing I would never have had in my house growing up, but neighbors would have it. Yes, we'd have to. And I would try to get an invitation.

SPEAKER_00

You should have come to my house. When I would come home for for lunch, sometimes sometimes I brought my lunch to school, but if I came home, it was always a can of Campbell soup. We would open the can and heat it up. Oh. Or it was craft dinner. Interesting. Also from a box. Like I'm telling you, the 80s were the time, like the heyday of packaged food, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Well, the beginning, because I think it's still probably it is it is very popular still.

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But yeah, that was all the rage.

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My family was similar to yours in a meat and potatoes often. Right? That's both of our we that's a term people use to describe that type of food. There's a meat, there's a potato. Maybe something else. But also a staple at my house, always, always, always we had a green salad at every supper. Oh, without without question. Maybe even multiple kinds of salad. In the winter, too. Always. Still, my mom always prepares. My mom does the cooking in my parents' house, the majority of the cooking. So always there was a salad. In the winter, it would be a winter green. Or maybe like a grain and a squash or something. Or kale. Kale. That's right. But there's always a salad.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so I also had never eaten kale till I was an adult. Wow. Yep. This is interesting.

SPEAKER_01

So different.

SPEAKER_00

Uh-huh. Huh. And do you like it? I do. I I you have to prepare it well. You don't just munch on a leaf of kale. Yeah.

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No.

SPEAKER_00

But I I there's a few ways that I really do like it. It's delicious. Yeah. Um, did you have dessert typically with dinner?

SPEAKER_01

We would sometimes, not always, like not on a regular basis, but my mom would often make, and I often make a crisp. So this is a fruit crisp, usually apple, because that's a fruit that's available all year here.

SPEAKER_00

You can also grow and make a saskatoon berry crisp, just saying. Have to try it.

SPEAKER_01

The prairie berry crisp. Prairie berry crisp. But a crisp is you put, for example, apples, chop them up, sugar, cinnamon, and then you make a topping that crisps in the oven, becomes crispy with oats and sugar and butter. It's good. Yeah. Good and easy. You don't really have to measure. Yeah. Doesn't you can it's hard to mess up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I do love a crisp. I have vivid memories of my mom opening a can of fruit, like a can of peaches for dessert and do and like passing them out.

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Yes, mine too.

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Or cutting a cantaloupe.

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Yeah.

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And then we'd all get a slice. Like that was kind of I think it tended to be fruit.

SPEAKER_01

Were they peaches your mom had cans? Oh my gosh, no. Oh no. Another my mom still gives us that for dessert from peaches. She has she does a lot of canning preserving.

SPEAKER_00

My grandmother, um, my dad's mum. Okay. She used to can peaches. And so my sister and I one year, we said, Grandma, teach us how to make peaches. And so we canned with her, and that was a wonderful experience. Haven't really kept it up. It's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_01

It's a lot of work. I've done it, I did it a lot in my 20s canning. Pickles, peaches, tomatoes. Uh, but I hope to get back to it maybe when my son's a little older and it could be a fun thing we could do together. You have to be a little careful, yeah, because you you want to make sure you're doing it the correct way so you don't make anyone sick. Yes. But things like pickles and sweet things, it there's a lot more room for yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I'm willing to do jam because of the sugar, it feels safe. We made jam together. We did, yeah. It didn't really turn out. That's not true.

SPEAKER_01

It was it was a delicious fruit syrup.

SPEAKER_00

It was a yeah, yeah. It didn't gel, but it was tasty. It was tasty. Probably too sweet for most people.

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You'll get used to it. Do you know something that's interesting talking about food we ate as children? My mom, as I said, was very into homemade. Everything was homemade, cookies, all those things homemade only. Um, and salad dressing, we always used to complain because always the salad dressing was homemade. And I always wanted the store-bought salad dressing that other people had. And as an adult, I think the homemade dressing is vastly superior. But it's funny how as a kid you just don't always appreciate those things. But as you become older, I think you you look back on childhood and things your parents did for you in a different, different light.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, we only ever had the kind from a from a bottle. Yeah, we grew up in in different homes. We did, and yet I would have said that we ate home cooked meals. And we did, yeah. My mom prepared the meals, but it's a it's a still a very different experience from your mom's home cooked meals.

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That's right.

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And my mom would even say she prepared things from scratch a lot. Yeah. Which I'm sure she did. She did, absolutely. She made like we didn't just open a jar of tomato sauce and put it on pasta. She would cut up vegetables and add meat, and and yet it's just so different.

SPEAKER_01

Which this is why we can't answer that. Question when students ask what is Canadian food? Because Louisa and I actually are very similar in in many ways, beyond just growing up in Canada. But still that's so different for both of us. It's interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

What would you say is kind of your staple food now as an adult? Now.

SPEAKER_01

Well, now I would say rice. We had rice when I was a child, but it definitely wasn't the main grain. Prairie, berry, main grain. And I would say that's a lot of the cooking I do now. Partly my son is Indian and I do a lot of Indian cooking even before we became family. I lived with an Indian woman in my 20s. I've lived and worked in India. So I do a lot of that type of cooking. I also lived in Laos for a while, so I do a lot of uh Southeast Asian cooking. And those are all rice-based. Yeah. I mean, primarily. So I I eat a lot of rice-based meals that aren't typical of what I grew up with. I think I do a lot of Asian cooking in general.

SPEAKER_00

So this might surprise you, but we have this in common.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, exactly.

SPEAKER_00

I don't do as much Indian cooking or specifically Southeast Asian, but rice is our main grain at my house as well. And that if you lined up 10 people who have lived in Canada for a number of generations, I suspect you won't find many of them say that rice is their main grain.

SPEAKER_01

Wheat would be wheat or potato. It would be a one of those two. I mean potato is not a grain.

SPEAKER_00

Oh main carb. Main carbohydrate.

SPEAKER_01

It doesn't rhyme as well.

SPEAKER_00

Carb.

SPEAKER_01

That's a hard word to rhyme. Carbohydrate. The great.

SPEAKER_00

Nope. Yeah, but we eat a lot of rice in my family. Partly because my son loves it and he was the first one. Partly because I love it. And definitely. And I don't love a big hunk of meat. And so like what we grew up with was meat, potato, vegetable. Yes. I don't love a hunk of meat. So rice-based dishes tend to use sm either no meat or smaller portions or smaller pieces. I just prefer that.

SPEAKER_01

That is a good point that I think that's something we probably had in common, and a lot of Canadians would, is that every meal has meat. Yes. Every dinner. Like when I was growing up, every dinner had meat as a child. Which is not how my parents cook anymore and is definitely not how I cook. There's a there's more variety. Yeah. Vegetarian food, I think, is more common these days.

SPEAKER_00

Part of it, um, I think is just a social awareness and a change in the way we are thinking as consumers and being conscious citizens and conscious like humans.

SPEAKER_01

In terms of environmental impact.

SPEAKER_00

Also health. Yeah. Um, I think we're learning that too much meat is not good for you. Yeah. But I still think there are a lot of people who call themselves Canadians and eat meat every day. Daily. Maybe more than once a day and who still eat copious amounts of meat.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Although it has gotten a lot more expensive in recent years.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. If you're conscious of um the price of things, if you're like budget conscious or wallet conscious, eating vegetarian is also gonna help. It's gonna help.

SPEAKER_01

So in conclusion, yes, the real answer is what is Canadian food? We don't know. Or it it doesn't really exist as one cuisine, as one type of food, which is great. Yes. Really? I love that variety.

SPEAKER_00

What do they say in the tech world? It's a it's a feature, not a bug.

SPEAKER_01

I haven't heard that before, but I like it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we can we can think of this as something to celebrate. That we definitely we are such a diverse people, and we have access to a diverse uh diverse types of food. And I mean, we can't grow it all here, but we can access it all here.

SPEAKER_01

That that is a topic for another another episode is our growing season. Yeah, I think so. But yes, that's true. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, so enjoy the all the foods. And if you haven't tried poutine or an anaymobar, the two foods we can somewhat confidently say are Canadian. Give them a try. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

And if you want more information about the Saskatoon berry and where to find it in Ontario, I can help you. I can hook you up.

SPEAKER_01

Rissa's in the no.

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All right, talk soon. Thanks for listening to another episode.

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