Brotherly Love Sports

Built to Win…But Not Built Right

Adam Curran Season 1 Episode 8

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Episode 8 is here—and yeah…we’ve got some things to get off our chest.

Just because favorites win doesn’t mean it’s actually fun to watch—and we get into what is worth your attention this week. From the Masters to the PWHL showing what happens when you actually make your product easy to find.

Then we get to the Phillies…because right now? It’s not good. Big payroll, quiet bats, and a lineup that feels like it was thrown together five minutes before first pitch. We break down what’s going wrong—and why it feels like the same problems keep showing up.

We hit Painter expectations, the Taijuan Walker experience—which somehow gets worse every time—and then finally, some life: the Flyers actually look like they’ve got something.

We wrap with a Sixers reality check and a little Phillies nostalgia.

SPEAKER_03

The Phillies disappointing. The Flyers exciting. And the Sixers are just existing. This is Brotherly Love Sports. Welcome back to another episode of Brotherly Love Sports. I'm here with John Fry, Fred Schultz, because we want to grow the show into something absolutely terrible since Tommy did such a bang-up job for us last week. And uh Fry wants to top him.

SPEAKER_02

I already topped him. Tommy did not do anything. Tommy's performance was okay. He also just doesn't clearly watch the Phillies because he said they had to come from behind win in the home opener. And that is false. So back to the lollipop guild there. Rosenbert.

SPEAKER_03

Ah, love it. Alright, let's let's kick it off with uh a bit of weekend recap. Uh so Michigan wins its second ever NCAA championship. I'm not impressed. I am, but I'm not. They're they're they're a bigger, faster, better team. Yeah, they were one of the favorites.

SPEAKER_02

I gave up on the NCAA tournament after round one when my bracket was busted, and I had no chance of winning anymore. I'm assuming you don't watch basketball at all.

SPEAKER_01

It's not that I don't watch basketball. It's that college sports I could not be less interested in. I'm watching mediocre players play a mediocre game. I'm not betting on an 18, 19, 20 year old unless they've already made it. Then I'm it. But I'm just I can't I can't do the college game. That's any sport.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Well, we'll move on to the next topic. What caught your attention this week outside of Philly sports?

SPEAKER_02

That's a good question. I mean, the Masters starts R3 competitions today. It is Masters weekend. The weather finally seems to be nice.

SPEAKER_03

That's you're literally the only person I know that fucking watches golf. The Masters isn't even the biggest golf news this week. Tiger Woods.

SPEAKER_02

Worst drunk driver ever. Tiger Woods. He can drive a golf ball, cannot drive his SUV. He can't drive his car to save his life. Nope. That is very true. The um women's professional hockey team sold out Madison Square Garden. I think that is proof that the women's professional hockey league is doing it correctly and growing the sport, unlike the WNBA. Good for them. Really good for them. And it's only their third season? Third or fourth season for the PWHO Professional Women's Hockey League. I felt like they started strong. They said there's no TV rights, we're putting it on YouTube. And it worked. They now have fans. That explains why I had no idea it existed.

SPEAKER_03

I think hockey is an overall bigger sport than people give it credit for.

SPEAKER_02

At times. I mean, look at the Olympics. Look at how much hockey's grown.

SPEAKER_03

Well, hey, when the Flyers are doing well, the league does well.

SPEAKER_01

This is true. That four nations tournament put hockey back on the map because it wasn't just about hockey, it was country. Yeah. The Kachuk brothers fighting everybody and just making it a spectacle. I would shoot people back up.

SPEAKER_02

I'll give the NHL their props. Like they said the All-Star Game sucks. Nobody cares about a this fantasy drift, three-on-three, millionaires win a million dollars, skill competition. Let's put all the nations against each other. Let's bring it back to world war. Except for the Russians. Except for the Russians. They're not allowed to play.

SPEAKER_03

Better way of doing it because you can say that about any any professional sports all-star game. The Pro Bowl is a joke.

SPEAKER_02

It's flag football now. Yeah. And then they played flag football. Tom I just saw no, Tom Brady was playing flag football two weeks ago and they lost.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, the only one that's any good is the MLB All-Star game. Yeah, because you still have to try to.

SPEAKER_03

The pitchers are still trying to strike you out, and the hitters are still trying to jack home runs.

SPEAKER_01

And out of the and it's a non-context sport. It's a non-context. So the integrity of the game is softened by the game. Unless nobody wants to get injured in an exhibition.

SPEAKER_02

It is a non-contact sport, unless you're Jose Solaire. And then it becomes an MMA fight for about 45 seconds.

SPEAKER_03

Well, he needs to get back into the ring because I don't think he landed a punch.

SPEAKER_02

He actually, I think, in this seven-game suspension that he just got, he's fighting Jake Paul.

SPEAKER_01

If he puts his head down, like he did charging the mountain.

SPEAKER_02

He has to wear a helmet though. But does he think he's going to fight Jake Paul? 13 ounce gloves.

SPEAKER_03

Ah okay. We're getting away from the show. Well, let's bring it back to Philly. Uh Phillies. Currently playing. They looked like ass last night. Tough offense didn't want to show up.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, and then you have Reese Hoskins White and what Daryl Dustin Moore, whatever his name is. He swings just like Reese Hoskins, still doesn't hit the ball. Dylan Moore. Dylan Moore, as he said, don't even know his name. Because he has a 0.0 batting average.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, the Little League World Series lineup that they wrote out there last night was absolutely disgusting. Very rarely do I ever get to settle in and watch a game. So I see the 940 start last night. I'm like, all right, great. Get home from work, take a shower. I'm down in front of the TV just in time for him to put that starting lineup up. And boy, if you're an Iron Pigs fan, it was a hell of a game for you last night because that lineup was a, I don't know, a Johan Rojas in center field away from just being a Lehigh Valley game. And I'm like, this is just I'm not gonna make a nine innings, and I didn't.

SPEAKER_02

Did they cut Rojas or is he still actually on the 40 man? I think technically he's suspended, so he has to remain just like Alvarado. Correct. Or his the games don't count because he's not on a roster.

SPEAKER_01

No, he is on the roster. He's just suspended. So he doesn't, I don't believe he counts against the 40 man roster as he's suspended. Didn't they have to move somebody last year to make room for Alvarado on the 40 man?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Eventually, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

The third one of September or whatever. He came back and we all said he should just have pitched 200 pitches a game and blown his arm out because he can't play in the playoffs. He's looking fatter than ever coming out of that bullpen this year. He's not allowed to take his GLP ones.

SPEAKER_01

He he is looking thick.

SPEAKER_02

At least he's got an excuse. Rojas was taking horse steroids. Yeah, doesn't it? So he is disqualified not only from Major League Baseball, but the Kentucky Derby.

SPEAKER_03

I like those odds for him to win the Derby.

SPEAKER_02

It was a long shot. It was a long shot. Uh looks like JT has uh left yesterday's game with a foot contusion, but it seems like he is gonna avoid any um X-rays were negative after taking a foul ball off the foot in the first inning and will avoid a long-term absence. He probably looked at the starting lineup too and went, I'm out. Remember when uh he got caught rolling his eyes and they brought in the once? I don't even remember what pitcher they brought in, but the dude sprints the the pitcher's mouth and he just rolled his eyes.

SPEAKER_01

Fucking Knitwit that came running in and then he was out of breath, throwing the ball like 88 miles an hour, getting shelled. Uh Phillips? I think it was Phillips, yeah. Tyler Phillips? Was this last year? No, it's just like 2019. Okay. This is like five years. The video's all over YouTube, and they asked him after the game. Hudges cared to the mound on Friday.

SPEAKER_02

Just very bad timing for Romutos. If you haven't seen the video for the MLB.com article, just very bad times.

SPEAKER_01

Just Google or or YouTube, JT Romuto I roll, and you can see this load come lugging in from center field out of the bullpen. And by the time he gets to the mound, he's gassed. Visibly gassed. And he's trying to catch his breath on the mound while pitching to live hitters, and he's just getting shelled.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. So it was first and last game. Got it.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Oh no, he he was back, but shouldn't have been. Okay. Well, yes. Hopefully, JT's back in lineup on Friday because I'm gonna be at that game and I would like to see a comp the catcher behind the plate. I don't trust Marchhan. Well, the alternative is Stubbs.

SPEAKER_02

I think I'd rather have Stubbs. No. I mean sincere. I did watch Marchand stop Kirkering from fielding a ground ball last night and then just absolutely throw it at the base runner. Not anywhere near first base. Just put it was backyard pegs or outs type baseball play. Didn't he hit a home run the other night? Marchand?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I know Kirkring didn't hit one. I mean, Stubbs has been lighting it up in the miners.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Marchand did hit a home run. He's got one home run on the year. So by that.

SPEAKER_01

We got an RBI game cave back too, then. Yeah, why not? Weston Wilson. I mean The list goes on and on.

SPEAKER_02

Mickey Moniac hit two home runs off the Phillies alone this year. That won them that game. Yeah, well, that was a that was a getaway game. The Taiwan pitching. Yeah, I think Walker was.

SPEAKER_01

I had the most horrifying conversation this morning about Mickey Moniac in comparison to Bryce Harbour, which Who is comparing those two? By statistics, Moniac only hit three less homers last year in like 71 less played appearances and hit nine points higher than batting average. Now he hit like 15 of the 25 homers he hit at course field. So do with that information what you will. But Harper was hidden in the pinball machine that is Citizens Bank Park in season, too. So horrifying. I'm sure there's a slugging component of on base percentage, things I didn't dig too deep in from the couch as my roommate was yelling in from the kitchen. But if there's even a close comparison, that's horrifying to even think about. Moniac wasn't a starter last year, was he? Moniac played. I I have to look it up for you, but Moniac played Brightfield in a starting capacity after getting released. The Angels caught him in spring training.

SPEAKER_03

The Rockies picked him up because they got nobody else. Just free falls.

SPEAKER_02

Free fall into a team that won 52 games last year. He's batting 278 currently with three home runs, two of them in one game against the Phillies. He's five for 18. Yeah, he's five for 18. I hate this. I don't want to talk about it anymore. He's a career 244 hitter, but he has 59 career home runs.

SPEAKER_01

And I am not on team we should have Moniac instead of Bryce Harper. Oh god, no. Anybody saying that is out of their fucking. But the way it was proposed to me this morning was I had all the stats presented to me, and then moving this and it ended up being a Mickey Moniac.

SPEAKER_02

He was a starter. He played 135 games for the Rockets. He sure did. Played 124 and 24 for the Angels. Yeah, but he was bad for them. He was at 219.

SPEAKER_01

Then he went to camp and got he was in the first round of cuts. He's 28 years old. He was with us for five years or six years. Yeah, when they called him up, he was already with the next round.

SPEAKER_02

I thought he was still like 24. Oh yeah, he was the first pick in the draft. What is that? That's a really good for those out there that do the um Immaculate Grid. First overall pick, Mickey Moniac. That's gotta be a sub 1% pick right there. You gotta be from Philly to pull that one up.

SPEAKER_01

Or you're riding the Rockies wave right now. Or you're just a nerd. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That Rockies team is bad. Well, you know who's been crushing the ball since May 1st? Brandon Marsh. You mean March 1st? May 1st of last year. So it's the all-third team. He is the fifth highest batting average in baseball in 400 plate appearances. Only behind Donnie Diaz, Jeremy Peña, Trey Turner, and Bo Bachet.

SPEAKER_03

And the only thing bringing that down is his inability to bat lefties.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, how many of those at bats were against right-handed pitching? Probably 399 of them.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's my concern and always will be my concern with both him and Scott. Two of your everyday, you know, end quote players on a World Series roster can't face left-handed pitching. And I don't understand why. I mean, if you watched any of the games so far this season, the entire roster can't hit left-handed pitching.

SPEAKER_02

So honestly, none of them can hit right now.

SPEAKER_01

Well, well, it's especially evident when Robbie Ray's out there looking like Adam Ray. Looking like a potential Cy Young candidate, and guys are just swinging tennis rackets and have no shot. The ball going seven.

SPEAKER_03

It's something about the Giants organization. They can't play against them. I I saw a stat like over the last like 10 seasons or whatever the hell it was. They're seven and twenty-two. I think they're now what eight and twenty four. They're just terrible. They had won a series at Oracle since 2014. So that sounds about right. Yeah. I don't know what it is about the San Francisco era. They just can't do anything. Hey, at least uh Turner's on a eight-game hit streak.

SPEAKER_02

He, I mean, he leads the team in hits with 13 and errors. Apparently, I I forget where I saw it from, but somebody. The Phillies Analytical Department, their defensive analytical department, did really well with Castellano's because they figured out if he is coming when he was on the team, if he's charging the ball glove side, he can make the play. And that helped in the playoff series when he made a couple of those pretty decent defensive plays to save some games. Were they positioning him differently? They were positioning him different. So instead of having him guard the line, he can charge at the line from right field and make a glove-sided catch. Turner apparently just can't ground get a ground ball. Normally, he has to backhand it.

SPEAKER_01

A chopper got hit to him last night. He backhanded it on a Taylor-made double play.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, he he tried the breadbasket. He has to backhand the ball. And he even mentioned, there's a he mentioned himself. Every time you go to catch a ball, you always put your glove out. You don't put your glove like this. So it's his own wording, that he's more comfortable backhanding the ball. So you'll even see on routine ground balls, he sets up and he backhands through the ball. But he also still makes errors when he does that, because he'll backhand through the ball and then throw it up above his head. Well, last night it cost them. Yeah, because that was that was the inning that that that was that was a bad inning.

SPEAKER_03

I can't say that that play cost them. It definitely hurt them, but they still put up fucking goose egg, so.

SPEAKER_01

If you can't hit, it doesn't matter. I said that the other day, whatever the game was that they not the game they scored 10 rounds, but the game before that against the Rockets. It didn't matter how it didn't matter how the pitching did, or I mean that they had two hits and then just seven inning against Colorado.

SPEAKER_02

That can't happen. I mean as of as of right now on MOV.com, the qualified at-bats, Justin Crawford at 306 is leading the Philippines back.

SPEAKER_03

Behind Brandon Marsh, Trey Turner, and then Garcia. That makes sense. He's a contact hitter. He's always gonna put the ball in play. He almost has a negative launch angle on the balls he hits.

SPEAKER_01

Well, you're watching him slap the ball just where they're not. I don't care how you get on base, just that you get on base.

SPEAKER_03

If Rojas had an ounce of that, he would be the starting center fielder right now.

SPEAKER_02

Probably. He did bunt. I swear to you, I think the highest ball Justin Crawford has hit this year was a bunt straight up.

SPEAKER_03

I mean it thus resulting in his not negative launch angle.

SPEAKER_02

I honestly don't care because if Justin Crawford just plays like it's major league, I want to see him hit the ball in the air. Hit it on the ground and run. You're fast.

SPEAKER_01

Hit the ball on the ground. He graded out as like the fastest player in AAA last year. Yeah, his speed's ridiculous. So between him and Turner, Turner, who graded out as the fastest Major League Baseball player last year, so make the argument they have the two fastest players in baseball right now, hitting right after each other after the first time through the lineup.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he is 29.1 feet per second.

SPEAKER_01

But it doesn't matter if Harper, Schwarber, and Bohm don't hit. They could start those two guys off on second and third with no outs if those three guys come up and can't hit a fly ball. It's not gonna matter.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, what's been up with Schwarber? His like strike zone, his eyes just don't seem to be there. He's had flashes where he's he's caught a couple good ABS challenges and won. But the last two nights, he's just the down and in pitch to a lefty should not be swung over. Especially somebody who only hits like Kyle Schwarber.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know what his deal is. Um I don't know. The whole team seems to be in a very slow start. They always say you're not gonna win the World Series in in April, but you can sure as sure as shit lose it.

SPEAKER_01

Interestingly enough, though, they always start out slow and somehow they always end up in it. Like even the year they went to the World Series and they fired Girardi had a horse record.

SPEAKER_03

That was a horrible, horrible start to the season. They had a horseshit record, and they ended up. Are we about to see history repeat itself? Is Topper about to get fired in June and uh Don Mattingley is gonna take over and take us to the Topper should have got fired three years ago.

SPEAKER_01

So I mean is he the reason we're not winning? He's not the reason they're losing, but he's certainly part of the reason that they're not winning.

SPEAKER_02

I some of his, especially last season, I think he's worked the bullpen better this year so far, except for really last night. But you can't win if you can't hit, so it really doesn't matter how many runs you give up. If you score zero runs, you give up 30, you lose. You score zero runs, you give one, you lose.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know. I like anybody else see that text? Same old Nola? What what just happened? Uh uh I bet it's the fourth inning.

SPEAKER_02

It's the bottom of the fifth right now for Apple Music or per Apple Sports. Nothing going on. Unless it just hasn't updated it.

SPEAKER_01

Possibly. I would have bet the house that was the fourth inning, and a ball got hit to Jupiter.

SPEAKER_02

Right in the McCovey's code.

SPEAKER_01

On a on a hanging knuckle, whatever you want to call that breaking ball that doesn't break. Oh, the bases are loaded. Oh, that's okay. Well, yeah, here comes here comes the meltdown.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So the damage hasn't happened yet, but it's coming. It's coming in hot. So is he being is he pulled from the game?

SPEAKER_03

Uh there's not a chance. Oh, great. I will okay. So I will concede to that. Like that, that is a big reason why Topper kind of shoots himself and the team in the foot because he leaves guys in way too long.

SPEAKER_02

It's 3-0. Oh. Giants.

SPEAKER_03

Great.

SPEAKER_02

They have three hits tonight, though. Yeah, you feel you.

SPEAKER_03

They need to shake up that lineup. And I don't, and I don't necessarily mean new faces. Guys need to be hitting in a different order. I think Garcia needs to be the fourth hole hitter. Oh, 100%. Bohm is not your answer there, and he never was. It either needs to be him or Schwarber. I don't care who it is. But I like the idea of going Harper, Garcia, Schwarber. Do you put Schwarber at fifth? Fourth or fifth? So I take Crawford, I put him at leadoff, and I drop Herner to two.

SPEAKER_02

I like Crawford at nine. He's got good vision. He's flipping the lineup over a lot, which is letting Trey Batmore.

SPEAKER_03

Which I I like that too, but I don't know. I the only thing I wouldn't touch this turn.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I like him at one and nine. You can't move you can't move a kid who's played 10 games into a leadoff spot and just just the whole the whole perspective change. Maybe in July we're we're talking about something. If he continues to hit 300 and the rest of them are hitting 210, then you got to make some changes. But right now I wouldn't mess with it. And and Turner's, we just talked about Turner's hitting 280 and is getting on base. He's got an eight-game hitting streak. I'm not I'm not messing with that. Um I'm keeping Turner at first. I can't drop Schorber any lower than four because I'm gonna start cutting into his at bats. So the whole reason behind hitting him at the top of the lineup, which I hate that he was leading off all those years, even when they had Turner. Like that first year when they didn't have anybody else to lead off and they got him, it's like, okay, fine, whatever. But then you've got the best leadoff hitter in baseball over the The last you know decade, and you didn't lead them off. So that's that didn't make any sense. Schwarber should be hitting fourth. Um, any further down in the lineup, you're really taking at bats away from him.

SPEAKER_02

Usually was it batters one and two average one extra at bat per game and eight and nine? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So the and the way this team hits, they don't really turn the lineup. So especially when you have we talk about all the time, like on a small level, like we talk about at softball. If if you have a couple guys in the lineup that just can't get put the ball in play, and and we you can't turn the lineup around, so your your good players only hit so many less times than than the other team. So you're talking about the same thing with the Phillies. That lineup they put out there last night, when your your last hope is at Mundo Sosa hitting sixth, like, or fifth, it's gonna be a long night for you. Auto cam just got on base.

SPEAKER_03

That was that was my joke. I I know, I thought it was just that guy's automatic. Usually an automatic out, yes.

SPEAKER_02

He is automatic.com and offered most of the We got the game on in the background there, so a little live live update if you're watching this a later time. I think it will be because it's just recorded.

SPEAKER_01

I think in a perfect world, Garcia is signed to be your four-hole hitter, but a guy who hit 230 last year and struck out a million times. You know, you gotta ease him into that. If he his pitch selection was way better, I I threw it into the group chat there that that's the Garcia I was telling everybody about in the offseason. He swung and corkscrewed himself into the ground like a Looney Tunes character on three pitches in a row that were around his eyeballs. That's the Garcia that I watched last year play for the Rangers. So if he's gonna be that guy, he can hit fourth. But if he's gonna be the guy he's been outside of that couple at bats from that day where he's seeing more pitches and putting the ball in play, and he's hitting the ball hard. When he does hit it, I mean he's a big dude. He's his exit velocity, like he's hitting the ball hard. That's the kind of pop that you need.

SPEAKER_02

Especially at C VP. Him going Oppo for his first term running C VP, even though it was a foot over, but still Oppo, once he gets his swing and once it gets hot here in Philly, that ball's going over Ashburn Allen.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and then the Alec Bone hate just gets less and less as he's less and less pivotal to their success. If Alec Bone's hitting six for you or seventh for you by the time August rolls around, and he's hitting 280, 285, and has the same seven homers he's gonna have anyway, or ten, but he's hit a bunch of doubles or singles, doesn't matter because you don't need him to come up in a spot and and hit a homer.

SPEAKER_02

And that leads me to he's in a contract year. If he's hitting 230, 245, 10 doubles by the all-star break, 25 RBIs. Is he even tradable?

SPEAKER_01

I don't need him back either way. Let him ride out into the sunset and then go sign big money somewhere else. Someone pay him.

SPEAKER_02

Or do you or do you just trade him for something? Because you know you're not even gonna offer him. But he's nothing of great value right now, so what do you get in return? That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01

Like they've been trying to trade him for three years.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I mean his parents I mean his parents. Who's gonna play third base? Autokip? We were just making fun of him ten seconds ago for getting his first hit of the season.

SPEAKER_02

Well, um, who's the um Aiden Miller? Aiden Miller. His fucked up, right?

SPEAKER_03

Currently, yeah, I think he's still rehabbing his bag. He's still not fully transitioned from shortstop to third either. It's an easier position to switch, though. Agreed, especially since he's right-handed.

SPEAKER_01

It's not an easy transition to transition from anything you've been doing your entire life to something else on a professional level. Harper looks pretty good at first. That's a ball. Nick Cassiana. That's that's a fun point.

SPEAKER_02

Nicky cast is playing first base.

SPEAKER_01

Remember, that kid was a catcher there for a minute. That's a fair point. Went out to the outfield. He's just a ball player. I remember saying it the day that he was taking ground balls and they were showing it on Comcast during the pregame. He was taking ground balls at first. I said to our buddy Paul, I was like, he was like, can that guy even play first base? Like, how's he gonna play first base? I was like, Burce Harper's a ball player. Just give him a mitt and send him out there and hit him some ground balls, and he's gonna figure it out. It just is what it is. Like, he's probably one out of every you know, thousand major league baseball players that could be like, I'm gonna play first base now and just go and learn it. I don't know, I don't have enough sample size to say that Aiden Miller's that guy. I I don't I have no sample size, I haven't seen him at all play. But there's not really a spot for him to play shortstop, so he's gonna have to learn another position. Do you think he can take over a second easier than shortstop? I would think so.

SPEAKER_03

And I would like to see that because I have less and less faith in Scott. Is Stock?

SPEAKER_01

Well, he's not he's not under contract for next year, but he's under our he's under our control. So the Phillies have arbitration. Or I think one more year on him. He's a year behind. Him and Marsh, I think, are a year behind, but as far as arbitration. I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone. I think good if we didn't have all three of them.

SPEAKER_02

If we're being honest, I'd be thinking about the top of the Philly sports media, all this shit going on with his parents.

SPEAKER_01

I just want him to go do that for the White Sox or the Rays or the Rockies. He'll be great winning 60 games in Colorado next year, booting balls at third base, and he won't even hit home runs there. And and he'll do great. Get him up, get him one of those Chris Bryant contracts where you overpay him, and then you forget that he's even in the league until you play the Rockies at 9.30 on a Tuesday and you go, there's Alec Bone. We'll know here because he's he's our guy, but you know, around the league, he'll be forgotten. He will be their all-star selection, though, every year because they stink. Yeah, so eventually he'll make his money that his parents thought for him. Oh, he's gonna get paid next year to play third base. Everybody gets paid now.

SPEAKER_02

Probably what Connor Griffin just from the Pirates. You got a nine-year, $140 million, $145 million. He'll get one? He's got two. Two. Two hits. He was 0 for 11. MLS. And just signed a nine-year million multi-million dollar contract. He really has two more hits than you do. Just got that contract.

SPEAKER_03

Hence why I asked you guys this morning. I don't know if the pirates are actually trying to get better or if Griffin's an idiot.

SPEAKER_01

Well, lock him up early. I bet they wish they could have signed that contract when Skeens got his first strikeout. Yeah. Yeah. Lock him up early. Because it's money. Even though he's throwing batting practice so far this year. Yeah, it's weird. He's still gonna cash in at some point, too. But you know who wasn't throwing back? He still has a better ERA than Skeens. Oh, good. Call Pittsburgh. Maybe they'll swap.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe they'll swap. Now, somebody who didn't throw batting practice in their major league debut was Andrew Painter. I was lucky enough to have tickets to that game. Got to watch him. I didn't realize how tall he was. 6'7. Until I was eight rows off of the dugout, and what was that, 50 yards from the pitcher's mound? Yeah. He's tall. Very tall. His fastball was pretty hot was up for averaging right around like 96, 98 between that, when um what I remember. And he looked really good. He wasn't getting behind the counts, which hurt him last night. He had a lot of three-ball counts last night. Not last night, the night before. When he he took the first game of the series when he took the no decision. And then came back. And he even mentioned that after the game. He got himself into a hole a lot, and now he's to learn how to pitch out of the hole. But other than that, he seems healthy, and I think he doesn't have to worry about going anywhere. He needs to just worry about pitching. If the Phillies want him to be confident, let him know this season's his. You're not getting sent down unless it's an injury. You're not getting sent down to just get starts.

SPEAKER_03

You're gonna get starts. I wasn't disappointed with his performance on Monday. And like, yeah, he got himself into a lot of you know three-ball counts, but a lot of the pitches he would he was making wasn't missing by much. And credit to San Francisco, they were really disciplined.

SPEAKER_01

He benefited immensely from going up against Washington for his first start. When I saw that laid out, I was like, oh, this is perfect. He'll get a cupcake matchup for his first game, get some confidence at home in front of the crowd, show them what you can do, throw your six innings, tip your cap. You're not gonna get to face a triple-A lineup every time out. Um, I mean face the two are the worst team in baseball right now. Yeah, are they the worst team in baseball by roster, or are they the worst team in baseball by performance right now? I think a hundred games from now you're gonna find Washington the same 30 games out of first place that they were last year. Um they might they might actually be worse than they were last year because their best pitcher pitches for Texas, which you found out on over last weekend. Uh McKenzie Gore, another junk ball left-hander that they can't seem to figure out, couldn't figure him out on the Nationals, couldn't figure him out last week. Whenever he's on a pitcher's mound, they can't figure him out. It's not good. No, but as far as Payner goes, he's gonna he's if you if you think he's gonna come in, pitch to a 2.1 ERA, strike out 200 guys this year and beat 20 and 3, like it that's just not gonna happen. He's gonna take his lumps, he's battling back from Tommy John. He's gonna have some games where his control's there, his command's there. His biggest problem last year in the minors was he his command. He was falling behind and counts. When you fall behind and counts, you do what Nola does, which is you're nibbling on the corners, and then you throw a gopher ball that ends up in the bay.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you sell your knuckle curve at 75 miles an hour that hooks right down the middle.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so you you stay on hitters and you do what Lazardo did against Colorado. You attack a bad lineup, you throw strikes. I mean, he had he struck out five guys in a row in the middle. Yeah, it was way to have a double-digit strikeout. I mean, that was the layup better century to have seven strikeouts.

SPEAKER_02

That's like it was it was really good to get Lazardo for Cy Young prior to that game because Yeah, his his first game, not so good.

SPEAKER_01

But you have to attack, you have to attack bad lines, which is what Painter did against Washington and what he did not do against the Giants. Who's he had on his next he's gonna go this weekend, I would think, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I think he goes Saturday. No, Sunday. They're playing in the Diamondbacks. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Alright. That's a they have some hitters. So that'll be an interesting test.

SPEAKER_02

They're they're a decent ball. It's either gonna be a Dynamax or the Cubs because tomorrow's an all-day, so the Cubs have a good line.

SPEAKER_03

So if I did my math right, Lazardo's pitching on Friday, Walker Saturday, painter Sunday.

SPEAKER_02

Where's Wheeler? Uh getting hit around in Durham, North Carolina, as it on his last rehab start.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know how many more times I can go around the merry-go-round of Taiwan Walker towing the rubber.

SPEAKER_03

Somebody traded a meme saying that uh Taiwan's been traded to Olive Gardens and he's serving up absolute three balls.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, he was what statistically two years ago, like the worst pitcher in baseball. Um pitched decent last year. He ate up a lot of innings for them. They had guys hurt. You know, he cut he's that guy that comes out, he gives up three or four in the first. When you look at his line, if you're not watching the game and you look at his line, you go, ah, five innings, four earned. Like, he's the fifth starter, it is what it is. It's the fact that you start every game after the first inning. It gives up a two-run home or three-run homer. It's two, three, four, nothing before you even get a chance to bat. That's deflating for a ball club. But I don't I don't know what the alternative is. They don't it'd be so much. They don't have that.

SPEAKER_03

Like your alternative is to run a bullpen game, and that no, I'm not interested in watching anybody do that ever again. I hate that.

SPEAKER_02

So looking forward to this weekend series against the D Backs. You got uh D-Backs don't have anybody uh probable right now for pitching, but you got Lazardo going Friday night, Walker on Sunday afternoon, or Saturday afternoon, and then Painter Sunday afternoon. So, I mean, you should be able to win uh two of those games, in all honesty. The Phillies should win Lazardo start Friday night. Walker's he's got a 9.31 ERA.

SPEAKER_03

I saw somebody comment on one of the sports pages that I follow asking when the Walker experiment is going to end. And I I had to sit there and stare at that comics. I'm like, this this was never an experiment. They needed a a pitcher, so they signed him. We're stuck with them.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, you have to think to last year, they were running Tyler Phillips out there and just like think about the alternative. I always say to people, it's recency bias. So you watch him tow the rubber, you watch him pitch to what'd you just say, nine point. He's got 931 ERA 931 ERA. You have to remember last year, before you know all those, all the guys came back from being a before Nola came back, not that he was any better, but they were running out Mercado and like and Max Lazard, like the cast of characters that came running out of that bullpen also pitched into a 9 ERA. Like I based off of last season, you can't fault the front office for saying we're gonna go with Taiwan Walker. They don't have any more money to spend. They're spending they they're they're gonna be $300 million again payroll this year. And they're paying Nick Castellanos $20 million to play for San Diego. And they're paying Taiwan Walker. He's gonna get $18 million this year, whether his ERA finishes over nine or not. So there's not really a lot of wiggle room for them to go out and pick up more starters. Whether they're gonna sign Trevor Bauer. Like I mean, he's playing in Long Island. I know. There's there's guys that were available, but they can't, they're at a dollar-for-dollar match. So you sign somebody to a, you know, even a $5 million contract, you have to pay $10 million for it. So they can't really afford to do anything. Well, you saw the lineup last night.

SPEAKER_02

I I I it's I I didn't even see the lineup. I saw the headline that said boom, marsh, stop, night off. I said this is a loss.

SPEAKER_01

Right. So a team that's payroll is $300 million is running out Otto Kemp and Rafael Marchand. I mean, Stos is serviceable. I think Mike Rife's not with him. He's not an everyday player, but for the purposes of what they're doing with the fact that Scott can't get left-handed pitching, I get it. But you just have these jerk, like, I mean, even last year, Weston Wilson, like like I just don't need those guys getting Buddy Kennedy. Right. So the who are these people? Anybody listening to this is gonna say, who the fuck is Buddy Kennedy? But like if you're watching these games, like you're seeing these guys, and meanwhile, Justin Crawford's in the minors hitting 330 and not getting caught up. But that's a that's a whole nother because we had you had horse steroids playing in 75. Because we have to keep what we have to get at Baxter Weston Wilson and all that Jake Cave before him. There's just an unlimited supply of quad A players that fill out this roster because the front office has given out contracts to guys who who haven't played up to their potential. Yeah, Taiwan Walker would be one of them. But thank God we're done with him after this year. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I went I went down the rabbit hole with my dad, I don't know, maybe a couple weeks ago, about the bad contracts Dombrowski has just shelled out to player after player. Like Turner, good player, horrible contract. Um, Nola, another bad contract. That was a bad contract. Like you're shelling out money to to do what? Be mediocre and run it back. That segment has that that's becoming as bad as the fucking process was for the Sixers.

SPEAKER_01

I have to say, in hindsight, the Turner contract, you're going, oh my god, it's not a good contract. That's a bad contract. At the time, who was on board with them signing Trey Turner?

SPEAKER_03

On board with signing him, yes, not for the years or the money that they offered.

SPEAKER_01

They what there were what? Korea, Turner. There was four big time shortstops available that year. Yeah, no, he was clearly Turner was clearly the best fit for what they needed, and clearly the best player that was available. We wouldn't argue that. And the the market now, I mean, everybody gets $30 million. Yeah. So what were you what were you gonna give him? He wasn't gonna come here for 10 years, $200 million. That's what Arod got in 2004.

SPEAKER_02

What I so like, what I have to pay him. I think you're gonna see is this this we might not have a 2027 baseball season because of the pending CBA negotiations and the possibility of a salary cap coming into play. For the Reddits and the dude, let me get my tinfoil hat on here. I think what's gonna happen is they're gonna come to the negotiation table and say any contract signed prior to the 2027 season won't count. Which is why you're seeing the Pirates actually give out contracts. So now you have Connor, you have Griffin who's signed, doesn't count against your cap. All the Phillies players currently signed, not against your cap. Any player currently signed is not gonna count against your cap until their next contract.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's gonna have to be something where it starts, you have X amount of years to get on the cap compliant.

SPEAKER_02

Because it's gonna stop. I think they they need a floor more than a cap to force the rock the Rockies, to force the nationals, to force pirates to actually be competitive in negotiations. Look at the A's.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, the A's draft well. They have always drafted well, but they're just a farm system and always have been a farm system for big market teams.

SPEAKER_03

It honestly amazes me that we aren't all sitting here as athletic fans because they are historically the better team, even while they were in Philadelphia. I am an athletics fan. Not exactly what I meant.

SPEAKER_01

I'm just saying, I I my dad's been a fan since the 70s. Regardl Jackson's his favorite player. I grew up an A's fan. Obviously, I'm a I'm a Phillies fan, and the Phillies in the World Series, I would obviously.

SPEAKER_03

The Phillies were the one that switched here, but the A's got moved. Correct. Why? I couldn't tell you.

SPEAKER_01

Money.

SPEAKER_03

I uh yeah, I guess.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I I don't know why. I honestly never looked into why the A's moved and not the Philly.

SPEAKER_01

See, the the problem and the rabbit hole that you went in with your with your dad, if the Phillies scouted, drafted, and developed talent like the A's do, they wouldn't need to hand out $300 million contracts to every single player. Very true. So, but if you go around the diamond, you know, you got $300 million at first base, you got $300 million of source up, you got the VH making $150 million. Like they have to hand these contracts out because they can't draft and because they get Mickey Moniac's and Adam Hazley's, and I the list goes on and on of guys that I've been hearing are gonna be so good, and this is a can't miss player. And you know, these guys come up, I get a 180-pound pencil bat who can't hit the ball out of the infield. And I'm like, that guy looks like me. He was the first pick in the draft, he can't hit either. And that's why you have to go out and sign Nick Castellanos to a giant contract because you don't have a right-handed power bat because you you haven't drafted one since Pat Burrow? Reese Hoskins, I guess Reese Hoskins. When was the last time this team drafted and developed an outfield prospect? Excluding excluding the one that just made his debut a week and a half ago.

SPEAKER_03

Victorino?

SPEAKER_01

Rule five.

SPEAKER_02

Rule five. Oh, we got him in a rule five.

SPEAKER_01

Rule five. Doesn't count.

SPEAKER_02

Speed of rule five, we just got um the one guy, the one pitcher back for the rule five direct.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, good, he came back. The other team got him and said, We don't like you know send him back. What does that tell you? That just answers everything that I'm talking about right now. Dust uh McGrady or something. I would have to look Chris McGarry. Yeah. Yeah. Another guy that I heard was gonna be Camp Miss. This whole time it's been Andrew Payne or Griff McGarry. Andrew Payne or Griff McGarry. Chris McGarry got rule five, that team went, nope, shipped him right. You want to know who a team that was? The Rays? The Nationals? The Nationals. Perfect. That's you know, because they're deep on pitching. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But no, the the Philly, they they I mean, what Bohm was a first round pick. Anybody really else for the Phillies lately?

SPEAKER_01

I mean Aiden Miller picked in the first round, and he's supposed to be good. But again, I'm looking for an outfielder. Every one of these teams around Major League Baseball has an outfielder. A right handed power hitting outfielder that they drafted. The Phillies got Pat Burl by accident. They drafted him to play third base and then realized he couldn't bend over and they moved him to the outfield, and he couldn't field out. There either. It could have been ever because of all the steroids he was taking. I'm saying that was the last guy that they drafted, an outfielder, that actually turned into a major league player, a quality major league baseball player. And that's why you have a $300 million guy at every position. And that's why your starting rotation is has a Taiwan Walker in it. Even if Taiwan Walker wasn't making the money he's making, they would still have a Taiwan Walker level pitcher pitching in that spot. Remember Kyle Kendrick? I hated him. Everybody hated Kyle Kendrick. Kyle Kendrick was the fifth starter on a team that had a really good rotation. Once you got to the playoffs, you didn't need Kyle Kendrick. But Kyle Kendrick has to make starts every five days because you can't sign another high-priced pitcher. You just have to roll with Kyle Kendrick because everybody else on your roster you had to bring in as a free agent because you can't draft and you can't develop.

SPEAKER_03

The fact that Mike Trout has never been in a Phillies uniform depresses me, and he grew up in your backyard.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you want to pay him $40 million?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Well, not right now. Not anymore.

SPEAKER_02

He's not worth it. Because then you have to lug out Mike Trout or Kyle Schwarber in the outfield every game. No, thank you. And Trout. And while Trout's athletic, he's one hit by a pitch away from shattering his hip half the time. You're not wrong. But uh I mean Justin Crawford's looking pretty good. I mean, something it's nice to see he's actually succeeding. He had a contact hitter and he did exactly what he was supposed to do in that walk-off win. Put the ball in play. Put the ball in play, and they won the game.

SPEAKER_01

This team needs more guys that don't swing for the fences because they only win when they score 10 runs and everybody hits two homers. They need more guys like we were talking about trading for Steven Kwan last year at the deadline. What does Steven Kwan do? Steven Kwan gets on base. Puts the ball in play. Puts the ball in play. Doesn't strike out. I would love to have Luis Arrayas on our team. That guy is a career 300 hitter. He was a free agent. He was available. Yes, yes, he was. He was available. Plays first base, plays second base. He was available. But you have Otto Kemp instead. Coming in to bat in the bottom of the seventh. Two on and two out. Luisa Rias puts the ball in play. He was putting it in play against you last night. Maybe I'll try to buy the Phillies instead.

SPEAKER_03

I do, because I hate Comcast owning that.

SPEAKER_02

But speaking of the Flyers, though. Hey. All popped up. All bricked up. Yeah. All bricked up for some Flyers. We're looking at the potential of a Keystone State rivalry first round playoff bid. Bring it on. Philly Pittsburgh. Round one of the NHL playoffs in less than two weeks. I remember when they went up against each other in 2011. Flyers are currently sitting at 92 points. They're not in the wild card. They're in third place in the Metro. That's big for them. That's above the wild card for non-hockey-like and folk out there. But I mean, you have the young guys stepping up for the Flyers in ways that the Phillies don't even have young guys. Owen Tippett. York's shaky on defense, but Forrester's back, and he does nothing but score, apparently. Two goals last night. Yeah. You got Zegers is stepping up again. He had a little bit of a slump there a couple months ago. He kind of disappeared, but now we got his boy back, Forrester. They both hit two goals last night. And he tippett is fast. People don't understand how fast Owen Tippett is. He's like half a second behind Conor McDavid fast. If he could put it all together, he could be a really good player. And I'm looking forward to Mitch Koff, Meachkoff, not being fat Kof next year. Because he did not do anything but go to Saudi Arabia, get into car accidents, and drink in the offseason. That's what I would have done.

SPEAKER_01

I don't I mean when you get bugged like that. But if you hand me a giant check at 20 years old, you'd be like, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_02

I'm gonna spend it all on you Red Lambo and I'm going to buy.

SPEAKER_03

I know that professional players are like, we look at them as like the gold standard. They have all this money and we expect great things from them, but you gotta remember, they're all kids still. Most of them are kids in their early 20s.

SPEAKER_02

Early 20s, quartermark Martes, 19 years old, 19 and 100 days old. Proving my point. He's not like out of out of college, so he can start playing professional. Stop playing college hockey two Tuesdays ago.

SPEAKER_03

Kid looks good though. I like what I see there.

SPEAKER_02

He's 6'3 off skates, so it's that makes him 6'6 on the ice. Yeah. He's 220. He's gonna, and that's just what he put on at Michigan State in one. He's 2'20? He looks skinny. Like skinnier than that. He's 220. Um he's gonna put on some weight this offseason because it looks like he wants to play. And I know uh John Bouchagrass, the ESPN announcer for their hockey series. He apparently he's close to the Kachuk brothers, possibly, and he's that's who he's gonna train with in this offseason. Martone can become the third Kachuk brother, and the Flyers can get a stepbrother type Kachuk. This this town will fall in love with him. More than they already are? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Because that that OT goal was big.

SPEAKER_02

He had three two shots on net before anybody touched him. Yeah. That's how big he is.

SPEAKER_01

When I grade hockey, it's baseball is very cut and dry. You either got a hit or eat it. You either you know made it through six innings and started eating. I use the most simple term, and I tell my my two Flyers buddies all the time that I sat next to when I had my season tickets. We talk every night in the group chat, just like I talk to you two for the Phillies games. I grade it on the vision test. I'm watching the play, and I'm there, I'm at the games. I'm watching with my eyes, and I either see it or I don't see it. When Martone steps on the ice for that first game, it took three shifts before you went, oh yeah, it's an NHL player right there. And then after, you know, first period little rough, by the end of that game, you went, that kid can play hockey. And I didn't exactly see that. All the Mitchkoff hype, like I'm still I'm sure he'll he'll end up turning out to I got I certainly hope so. But you just you see Martone step on the ice and you just immediately go, that's their best player.

SPEAKER_02

Angels in the outfield asked, you're like, I can just see something behind him. Like he got it.

SPEAKER_01

He's rubbing his shoulders, touches that pass up the other day to kick out the board between his legs.

SPEAKER_02

And what, 150 feet and sniped the sniped the glove side? And the pass to uh Ziegress last night.

SPEAKER_01

Oh second goal of the game, yeah. You couldn't put that puck in a better spot. No. So you just he just he's a guy that, yes, he himself is good. He's good to the point where he's going to make up like when Zegris first got to the Flyers this year, you went, oh wow, he can play. And then you started seeing guys around him, and you're like, oh, he makes this person better. He makes there's more chances when you have more players who can play. You can see aesthetically, this person can play hockey. We talked about Tippett earlier. Tippett has nights where you go, oh wow, he's fast or he's this. But there's other parts of his game that you don't love. And sure, Seacrex has parts of his game, and I'm sure we'll find some warts with Martin that he needs to work on being a young player. But he steps out on the ice, everyone around him is immediately better. He's physical, he's in front of the net, he's gonna tip pucks back in, he's gonna cause havoc up front, he's gonna feed passes into players, he's gonna play physical, he's gonna create chances for other people. Which, well, I mean, when was the last? You want to talk about a drought as far as drafting and developing talent. I don't know that there's an organization, at least in this town, worse at that than the Philadelphia Flyers. That's Comcast for you. I mean, I you want to talk about I joke with my buddies, I say, oh yeah, uh, he's having a good camp. That's always every everybody's having a good camp. This guy, oh, he's having a great camp. That guy, great camp. Jared Liteko or whatever his name was. No. Oh, Jet Lichenko. Yeah, we'll see if if he turns into something. I'm just talking about historically over the years. Oh, Scott Lawton's good, he had a great camp. He's gonna be the next, whatever. Everybody's gonna be great. Phil Myers, like the the list of names, it's worse than the list of names of the Phillies. I mean, it's one A, one B. They're both pathetic. But the dip the Flyers organization has been selling me on prospects for my entire life. And short of Claude Giroux, who did they develop that's any good?

SPEAKER_03

They let him go too soon, but it would have been Bob. Yep, it would have been Bob. He had that it factor. Yep. Yeah. If they had that still burns me.

SPEAKER_01

But let's go pure let's go pure skaters. Goalie's finicky and and it's kind of its own separate category, and they had the Carter Hart thing, and he was really good, and then right up until he wasn't. Big train fan. Just the just the whole thing there. But just skater-wise. Like there are guys flying up and down the ice every night for all these other teams.

SPEAKER_02

And you know, this is the first, the last three weeks of the NHL season. This is the first time I've actually looked at the Flyers and be like, wow, they are fast. They're moving. They are fast.

SPEAKER_01

And that's because all the guys on the team haven't been on the team for long. Yeah. That's that's the real like all the guys that you're watching that are fast are all the players that they either acquired last year or this year.

SPEAKER_02

Well, so all right, so I haven't heard this about Tippett, Martin, Mitchkoff, or any of the fliers that are making impact. I haven't heard the phrase 200-foot player. No, they are an offensive scoring player. I have been we don't need a 200-foot player anymore.

SPEAKER_01

I have been screaming from the Jake Voricek days. Shoot the fucking puck every night. On two-on-ones. Pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, power play. Killing their own power plays off, just pass, pass, up to the top, pass, pass, up, puck tops over somebody's dick, everybody out of the zone, chase it. Come on, everybody back in, pass, nobody's shooting the puck.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's what I said to you the other day. I was like, finally, Martone's on his team and just shoots the goddamn puck. Shoot the puck. He's got four games under his belt, 27 shots on goal.

SPEAKER_01

Quantity over quality of shot. You don't have the talent to pick quality of shot. If Nathan McKinnon wants to be selective about which shots he takes, that's fine. He just scored his 51st goal the other night. Like he wowed. He can shoot whatever he wants, right? But you don't have Nathan McKinnon, so you need to shoot 10 times for every one time he shoots if you want to score goals, I bet you. That's just the reality of the situation. You're not good enough to win a game where you only have 18 shots on goal. No.

SPEAKER_02

And that was that was a surprising when they played Detroit. They held Detroit to 18 shots and they won that game. It was two weeks ago, a week ago.

SPEAKER_01

Trick Talk a stream game right there. That's how he would drop every game if he could. Defense. Play defense. Great chances off of that.

SPEAKER_03

And use your speed. And that's exactly what they did last night in New Jersey. They killed off that one power play, and Forster got the puck on a two-on-one, and I thought for sure he was gonna pass it. And didn't. He took the appropriate shot and scored.

SPEAKER_01

I couldn't wait for the first period to be over last night. They went from dominating to being dominated. Yeah. If that period went any longer, that I mean, you're talking about giving up a two-goal game at home in the first period would have been catastrophic. They flashed up on the screen that the the Devils were 27th or 28th in the NHL comebacks from two goals, meaning when they go down two, they're out. They're done. And if you let them back in that game last night, where they had a good one. Well, it's a two-one at the end of the first. 2-1 in the first. But they had a couple real solid chances to score at the 8, 7, 6, 5.

SPEAKER_02

I was in my car, so I was only listening to it on the radio, and it was like shot on gold, save, didn't clear it, save, didn't clear. I'm like, it's going in.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, the offensive zone possession time was double for the Devils with what the players had. And that's even with them scoring in the beginning.

SPEAKER_02

Like they were goals were on the rush.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Two goals within the first four minutes of the game. They gotta tighten up defensively in their defensive zone, but credit to Vladar for standing on his head. That guy is playing out of his mind. Is he eating up at the right time? I think so.

SPEAKER_02

What we need. I mean, they have they play tomorrow. Well, they have four games left. Red Wings, Jets, Hurricane, Canadians. Gotta win tomorrow night. Two home games, two away games. Tomorrow night has to Yeah, you have to win tomorrow night.

SPEAKER_01

Because Columbus, with 16 seconds left in the game, won't be.

SPEAKER_02

Everybody won last night, so there was really no shakeup in the standings.

SPEAKER_01

But we needed Detroit to win in regulation to keep Columbus because we're out right now. If the season ended right now, we're out. Columbus has a point on us, don't they?

SPEAKER_03

No. We're still sitting in starting.

SPEAKER_01

No, we're at 90, we're at 92 points. Okay. The Blue Jackets are at 90. Oh, but they hold the tiebreaker on us, is what it was. Because we lost that game the other night that they should have won two weeks ago.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but we had more points right now. Okay. So I was of the impression that if the Flyers got in, the first round was going to be a horrendous slaughtering for them. They were just gonna get dog walked, and we were gonna lose 4-0 in the series. It's gonna depend who you play.

SPEAKER_01

If they play Pittsburgh, I have a completely different feeling. Bring it on. I got three gravestones picked out. One for Crosby, one for Malkin, and one for that fucking Chris Latang. Crosby's Alpha Season, he's not even playing. I didn't hear that. He got hurt.

unknown

When did that happen?

SPEAKER_02

Isn't he alpha season?

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, and just to add a little insult to injury. Oh, wait, maybe if they yeah. Kevin Hayes is on that Penguins team. Yeah. Is he still on that Penguins team?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, he's still there. I mean, he's not really doing a whole lot for them, but he's he's there. What that means for them.

SPEAKER_02

Get hurt in the uh Olympics? He's back. No, he returned March 30th. He's even better. Isn't he retiring after the season?

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_01

He's gonna finally sign with Colorado and go win another championship. I certainly hope not. Closet Avalanche fandom. I can't have that scumbag on my team.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like there's a lot of closet avalanche fans that I've run into over the years.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I've liked him since I was a kid. Yeah, that was my squad. And then they were real, real bad. But then we gotta name McKenna.

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Forsberg came to the Flyers with one and a half feet without telling anybody that he didn't know how to wear a ski on his one foot. I was very, very, very happy that you had Simone Gagnier, Claude Duroux, and Peter Forsberg on a line at one point.

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I mean, without Sidney Crosby this year, the Avalanche are 51, 16, and 10. They have an NHL leading 112 points. Oh, and they have five games left to play. Just they don't need him. No. No, no, clearly they don't. They don't need him.

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The next closest team to them, I think, was uh the Stars.

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Yeah. And then they're in the same division. Yeah, they're legitimate. And then the Wild aren't aren't far behind them. Carolyn. If you're talking about, if we're going out west, the best three teams in the West are the AfC Stars and the Wild. They're the top.

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And they're all on the and they're all in the central division.

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All right, each other over in standing. All in the central division. The Mammoth, who are in fourth place, would be uh in a three-way tie for first if they were in the Pacific with the Oilers and the Mets. They credit to them, they had a hell of a game last night.

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That was I looking at the standings, I didn't realize how big of a game that was. Yes. Utah Edmonton last night, they're um they're now both tied, like you said, at 88 points. Uh we were watching it, it was just on at the bar. And what was it? It was 3-1 Edmonton. Yeah. And then it was 3-3 within like two minutes. Nobody can blow a lead like he was. Then they kept trading back and forth. It was five three five-four at one point, and Utah scored a little like pretty late, I want to say, and then they had a four on three over time.

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Those kind of games is why Edmonton will never win. Correct. Because you can't play like that. They play like that every night. Every night. They play like that every night. And they've played like that every night for years. Now they made it to the cup. Back-to-back losses. Back to back years. But they all the games were like that, even in the Stanley Cup. Like the way that they play, and they play so fast, and you have to almost play the way they play. But it's easy to score goals on Switch G's defense and Donald McNabb's nephew, who's getting paid $9 million a year to slug around as their sixth defenseman. He stinks. Who said Kane? No, Darnell Nurse. Who? Darnell Nurse. Darnurse. I thought you meant Vander Cain. Vander Cain's not even on them anymore. Is he playing for the Sharks or something?

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I don't know. Maybe he is. All I know is that who's not seeing the playoffs this year is going to be the Florida Panthers. They were eliminated. They were horrible. Everybody's hurt. That's not their fault then.

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And then Toronto's already Toronto's gone. You saw how bad the Flyers were just playing without Forrester. Could you imagine if they didn't have Forrester, Zegris, and Mitchkoff this whole time?

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Yeah, we might have a shot at the first overall pick. Gavin McKinnon.

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Yeah, send it. I was in full, I was putting gas in the tank. Like even before the slide heading into the break. I because I've always I've always said that real true competitors, like that have Stanley Cup aspirations, they don't really start ramping up till after the first of the year. So those vettering teams, like look at the Penguins. The Penguins didn't have one playoff spot. But those vettering teams, they play eh meh hockey, lead leads up to the all-star break, and then those teams ramp it up, right? And they play 600, 700 hockey the rest of the way, and they make the playoffs and they make noise in the playoffs. Everybody who's was drinking the Kool-Aid in the beginning of the year on the Flyers, oh, they're in a playoff spot, this and that. You don't watch the games. Yeah, weekend of the season, if the playoffs started today, the Flyers were in the first place. You were watching the box score, or you saw it on your phone, or you were watching the Sixers and it came across the bottom of the screen. You weren't actually watching the games. They're not actually a playoff team.

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WIP had their four and a half minutes a week talk about the Flyers.

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Yeah, so now all of a sudden, and all the Flyers fans have come out of the woodworkers. We were talking about it like when I started this podcast.

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I still have to apologize to the Flyers for saying that they were two to three years away from being two to three years away three weeks ago when I said that. Well, away from what? They probably are two to three years away from being. This is what I was talking about. Like even just playoff contending, and then they are what they're seven for the last nine.

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Like if this team finishes in the bottom wild card spot, they I don't care the last time they beat Carolina. Now they did take them to overtime twice this year, but they also blew both of those games in the third period that they should have won. So that those they're not gonna be able to close them out. So depending on the draw they get in the playoffs, sure, will it be fun to say, ah, they're gonna stick it to the Penguins? And they might.

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But if you go up against Carolina, I don't even care how successful they are. I I mean I would prefer them to win, obviously as a fan, but the experience that these that they're gonna get, that guys like Zegers, Tippett, Martone, they're they're they're gonna get playing four, at minimum, four true playoff games. Especially if it's Philly Pittsburgh in front of a crowd.

SPEAKER_01

Even guys like Kaneckny and players that have been here for a couple years, like you know, they want to win too. Coots is Coots Raman. I think Coots might be the last one on the team to come on the Flyers playoff team. Yeah, he would have been on the team.

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2020 went to the city.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but it was COVID, because there's no fans.

SPEAKER_03

True, but they were playing offs.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I guess by that logic and Connecting played in the playoffs, too.

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Yeah, okay, but I mean it's like playing Kelly. There's no fans, no fans. You can only pump in so much music. Yeah, it's not the same. No, it's not the same, but uh I mean that's kind of what Phillies got going on right now. The Phillies are struggling, they're down 5 0 currently. You got Marshawn as the last hope for the Phillies to keep this game alive. Again, another shutout performance.

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Got dog walked by uh I couldn't tell you a Wembyless Spurs team on uh on Sunday.

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The last time I tried to talk Sixers with him, he goes, Oh yeah, and Iverson's gonna pass to a B touchdown.

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I'm just uh I'm just I need Eric Snow to come around to the top of the key and pass it off to Kyle Corver. Jesus. And I'm gonna go find my N1 basketball shorts upstairs that are Capri's perfect. I think I'm not gonna lie, I think the last basketball event I watched at whatever you want to call the Wells Fargo Center Xfinity Mobile Arena was an N1 mixtape tour in 2007. You would be at something like that. Yes. That's got Delta Ray.

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Oh, it's got absolutely crash back.

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Oh yeah.

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Really lean it into it.

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Oh yeah. And one mixtape tour. White chocolate. Yeah, I'm out.

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Jason movie. But either way, you can count on a first round exit from that. They're gonna be a playing team the way it's shaken out. Really? Yeah. Which means they're gonna have to play a team to play a team. And when you play a team to play a team, you end up playing a team that's pretty good. So you're gonna get boss. You're gonna get the Knicks.

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This is what Sixers need to go out and just tell LeBron James, we want your other son. And then now all three of them come and play. So you got Bronny, Bronny, and Bronny, or whatever their names are.

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I just assume that's what they are.

SPEAKER_02

James, James, and James playing for the Sixers, and then two other people. Bronny hasn't shown to be any good. His brother's apparently really good. His brother went to college and actually played basketball. Okay. The youngest one. Yeah. And it was um it was a on one of the ESPN hot take shows.

SPEAKER_01

His brother's actually pretty decent. I see why you don't watch basketball. I'm already bored. Exactly. I really don't give a shit. So that's I mean, that's all I have for maybe we can have Paul George on the podcast. I heard that's what he's better at than basketball at this point.

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Paul, if you're listening, this is your official invitation.

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Did he bring in some food?

SPEAKER_01

I kind of just trashed him.

SPEAKER_02

No, I'm talking about Paul George. Oh, oh, Paul. Oh, he is on the Sixers. He's played four games this year, right? Yeah, he actually got suspended for a little. He scored like 35 points the other night and led them to a victory.

SPEAKER_01

I thought you were talking about Paul from Not Just Wigs. No. I mean, they're both about as good at basketball at this stage of their careers as each other. Um but no, no, not in this particular case. Um Paul George uh podcaster as well as NBA professional.

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Back-to-back shutout losses for the first time since June 24th, 25th of 2025.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you were you were rambling on about something you missed Alvarado picking the ball and throwing it in.

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Oh no, I saw it. He threw it right over right over Harper's face.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so the the pitching fielding execution is clearly not. That's just the only thing I missed. Clearly not a Kirkering thing. Yeah, he's pitching to a 70 RA too.

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Well, I mean, the way baseball feels like a chance. He does. He got Castellas, yeah. The way the baseball gods worked out. Kirkering comes in for his first appearance of the Major League Baseball season, and the first ball in play is a forward dribbler back to the pitcher's mound that Marshawn basically shoes him away from the ball, picks it up, and just launch it.

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Listen, he had a chance to bury that narrative by picking that ball up and throwing it to first. And he went like this. And he pulled his hands up, not me. He treated that thing like a live grenade, and Marshawn had to throw it with him standing there also into right field.

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Gotta give a quick shout out to Milan's Real Philly Cheesesteaks. Uh they did they have multiple locations? No, that's their only location. That's the only one. So we're down here in Bear, Delaware, and we just had a taste of their salmon cheesesteak. Yes. It was jerk salmon cheesesteak.

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Yes, Milan's Real Philly Cheesesteaks. They're um locations 813, Governor's Place in Bear, right off of Route 40. Um walked in, met the owner Aaron, one of the partners there. We apparently wanted the first customers in for the day, and he said, Hey, we're making a salmon cheesesteak. Would you guys like to try it? Sure, I'll try it out. He's like, What do you want on it? We're like, well, make it your way, whatever you want. So he was red, green, peppers, onions, mushrooms, toasted roll, jerk style, and it was phenomenal. Yeah. It was absolutely delicious. Um check us out on their Instagram page. We did a little food review for them as uh what they asked for. I'm telling you, it was amazing. I will absolutely go back and get it again. Can host the show now? We could. We talked about he'd talk some ball basketball. I mean, maybe I know I'm not the basketball guy here.

SPEAKER_03

I'm more college basketball. I I'll be honest, I hate the NBA. I think it's a bunch of overpaid crybabies that roll their ankles and don't want to play. It is.

SPEAKER_01

That is all true. I used to only watch the NBA. Like, I I never watched college basketball, but I would only watch the NBA. Now I just don't watch basketball at all. I get that. I probably watched like seven minutes total of Sixer action this year. And I I figured out who uh Dominic Barlow is. I happen to be watching a game that he went off for like 25. He stinks. He is not an average enough person. But on small sample size, I was like, this isn't my this isn't my thing. I watched three minutes of this first game and I was like, yeah, it just happened to be on at work. If it's on at work, I'm watching. In passing, I'm not intently watching it, but I did watch it enough to see that Maxi had zero at halftime and the second half of this first play without Wendy. And it still does this exercise, probably not.

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In Maxie's defense, when Embiid and George are both playing, he seems like lost, like he's not sure what his role is on the team at that time. And I don't think the organization, or Nick Nurse for that matter, have made it clear to him like, hey, when all of our guys are healthy and not suspended, he just he doesn't know what to do. Sorry, I I keep enough knowledge to have an intelligent conversation about the Sixers.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I can't. But I usually avoid it. I can be conversational with it, and and I I gotta be honest, over over the years, I don't have to watch the games to tell you how they went. I'm at the point now with the Sixers, and the Sixers have put fans in this position where I don't have to watch the games every night to be conversational about where they are because we just keep hitting rewind and play on the last five seasons. Like, if you just woke up from a coma and you haven't watched a game of Sixers basketball this year, you can probably guess it went something like this. Let me guess, and B didn't play half of the games. Yeah. Tyres Maxie pretty much carried them most of the season. Yeah. Edgecomb has played both. Edgecomb, good pick, cool. Uh Paul George looked really good in some games, really bad in some games. Yeah. Have no bench? No. Okay. That's the same Sixers team that we watched last year. Run it back. Run it back. It's the same Sixers team we're gonna watch next year because guess what? All these guys are under contract.

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Trust the process.

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So they're gonna be out there just like Taiwan Walker was pitching for the Phillies again this year because he's under contract. All these guys are gonna be out there next year because they are under contract.

SPEAKER_03

You know what I saw a couple days ago? You'll never guess who made ESPN's top 10. Markel fucking Foltz. In the G League, because that's where he's currently residing, because he he isn't a real NBA player.

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He actually got a contract after the contract he got here.

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Of course.

SPEAKER_01

So by that logic, I guess I could be a GM in the NBA. I don't know that I know basketball enough to make intelligent decisions, but I know not to make dumb ones. I mean like that one. Maury hasn't exactly done a super job.

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It should be his last year as well, no matter how far they make it in the playoffs. He should have been fired yesterday. Yep. And then B should have been traded three years ago. Well, now you now you're stuck with them. Yeah, I people people argued me on that, and like, oh, they don't have a chance if they trade him. I know. I I'm willing to accept the fact that the process was an absolute disaster, and now you need to recoup what you can by getting rid of him.

SPEAKER_01

The problem with starting to unload assets is you're too good to go into the blender. Like the only reason they got edgecomb is because all those guys were all hurt last year and they kept Maxi out. Once he broke his finger or whatever, he he missed two months with a jammed finger. The only reason they were able to pick third in the draft last year and get edgecomb is because I tanked. They tanked. But if you'll never admit that. If you were to trade Embiid, you're never gonna get equal value in the NBA because you just don't know. The return for a star is never equal value. But let's just say you get a couple first-round picks or whatever it is. You're gonna take some scrub players back to match the money and they're gonna be buyout and all that stuff. Just having Maxi and Edge come is gonna be enough to keep you. It's the Andre Miller, Andre Godala Sixers from 2011. Where you're just the eighth seed, you're just a playing team, you're gonna have the 15th pick in the draft every year. You're never gonna get as lucky as you did when you pick Maxie, and you're gonna be in perpetual purgatory of we're gonna play 500 basketball. We we might just make the playoffs or just miss it, and now that they extended it to 10 teams and make it a play, and now everybody makes it, so it's it's like intramural basketball. Um, but you're just waiting to get cooked by whoever the one seed is.

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Yeah.

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Is it do you really want to watch Maxi Edgecombe and three bums get dusted by Tatum and Jalen Brown and the Celtics? No, no, not really. So that's what trading Embiid is. You know you have a shot if everybody's healthy. It might be 1%, but you have a shot. If you don't have them.

SPEAKER_03

Or Kawhi Laners is gonna hit a crazy shot, and you guys are just gonna go into a tail screen.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. But if you don't have embiad and you're just playing with with and with two guards and no centers and no big men and no wings, you're you're not gonna be able to compete for anything. But you're gonna beat the Hornets and the Jazz and the Kings enough times, you're gonna stomp on the Wizards enough times to secure yourself not drafting in the lottery. Wizards are a real basketball team. That's what I'm talking about. The three of us, Edgecombe and Maxie, could go out and play the Wizards tonight and cover.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I'd take that bet.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know what the spread would be with us three fat assholes playing, but I'm sure we could figure out how to cover.

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And improve this city.

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Because he makes mistakes too, but he does so many things right that he's able to cover up making the pivotal mistake.

SPEAKER_03

Or yeah, or rectify it.

SPEAKER_01

Like when the Flyers take Nolan Patrick instead of Kamakar or Miro Hiskman or Elias Peterson, they don't do something in return to fix that problem. But like when Howie doesn't take Justin Jefferson, he then takes six more Pro Bowlers, two drafts in a row, and drafts Queenon Mitchell and drafts Cooper DeG, drafts legitimate star top quality talent to make up for the fact that you're never gonna hit 100%. No.

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And then he went out and told Cooper to start dating one of the Cowboys cheerleaders to get some insider information. Hey, listen.

SPEAKER_01

Take it any way we can get it.

SPEAKER_02

That kid's IQ, so will she so will she, apparently? Oh man. Well, now that I'm back because basketball's over. Uh, I think you you had a question of the day. Do you have a question of the day? So, who was the last Phillies player to hit him run that was called by Harry Callis? What did I say in the chat last night? Marlon Bird? Did you say Marlon Bird? I just picked something asshole at random. I don't think Bird was on the team. Harry Callis died in 2009. Yeah. Raul Ibanez. No. Oh, that's a great pick.

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Joff Jenkins. Nope. He was already gone. I know.

SPEAKER_02

This person has other iconic home runs. I mean, is it is it an easy one? Like, is it Ryan Howard? No, it's not Howard. But I would say once I saw the name, I was like, it makes sense. It's not ugly, is it? Not Uly. It's it's the worth. Nope. Nope. No. It was in 2009. Is it juge? Nope. I'm going through the starting lineup.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, at this point, you and I named.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, remember the 26 guys of the 08, they won the World Series. 09, they went back. Victorino. Joe Blyn. Yeah, we went pictures and still. Robert Person. It occurred on Easter Sunday, April 12th, 2009, at Corsfield, and it was Matt Stairs.

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Matt Stairs was still on the team.

SPEAKER_01

Matt Stairs. That dude could hit. Oh, he could hit home runs. I mean, I was just gonna say. Not much of a ball player. Yeah. He did one thing and he did one thing while. Wait, could he step into one every once in a while? And you needed that. They wouldn't have won the one series without. No.

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That's why he had a knock on the case.

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They were demon out when he hit that ball against the diamonds.

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I'm gonna miss him. And here's here's what I need.

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Here's what I need for my baseball nerd fandom. Who was pitching for the Rockies when he blasted that ball? I can't.

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The video is so blurry, I cannot see. I literally watched the video, but it is so blurry out there. It's 15 years ago. Give me the game. April 12th, 20, 2009, course field.

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Let's pull up that box score. What in? It was the ninth, right? Yep. Top of the ninth. 7-5, April 12th, 2009. Let's see who took the loss. Houston Street blew a save. Yeah, on a Mad Stairs two-run game. I had a feeling it was gonna be something like that. Made the start for the Phillies. Chanho Park and Aaron Cook. Ryan Madsen.

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Is that right? Got the win.

SPEAKER_01

Madsen did get the win. Bridge to Lidge. Chanho Park. Three and a third, seven hits, five earned, three walks, two K's. Through 96 pitches and three and a third. Tyron Walker just came reincarnated. Oh my god. Yeah, they needed Durbin, Scott Iyer, Clay Condry, Madsen, and Lidge to close out the Rockies. That team offensively could rake.

SPEAKER_02

So Houston Street's top of the ninth. Houston Street pitcher for Colorado. Feliz doubles to left. Chris Costy.

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Coastie?

SPEAKER_02

Chris Coast. Chris Coast. Sack Bunt, uh Perez, or Feliz? Pedro Feliz. Is that what I can't read? He was their third basic. Yeah. These names are in the wrong back. And then uh Matt Series Herbert and uh Rollins and Victorina got it. That was the top of the last call by Harry with Matt Series passed away less than 24 hours later. Uh yeah. Well uh we have to uh shout out to Harry since the Phillies took away his bar and made it a ghost energy bar. That that's a complete disservice to him. We could go on for another half an hour about that. We we certainly could. Uh any final thoughts? Hot takes, what are you watching this week?

SPEAKER_03

Keep an eye on the flyers. I I I think they're coming together at the right time, and Lodar is getting hot exactly when they need to.

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There is nothing you can do in the NHL without a hot goal type. There's there's absolutely nothing you can do. A team that's goalie gets hot is gonna outperform the better team in the series.

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I think Lodar has all the confidence in the world right now. So do I.

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With that, uh follow us, brother We Love Sports. Adam, thanks for having me and Brett again. Of course. Me back and Brett, thanks for coming on for the first time.

SPEAKER_01

Happy to be here, made my debut. We'll let the listeners decide if we uh what debut is more important in Philly sports this week. Mine or Martones and Painters. But here we are. Here we go.

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Remember, drop all your socials, give uh Milan's real Philly cheesesteaks a try if you're in the uh Bear Delaware area, and uh we'll see you guys next week.

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If you enjoyed the show, give us a like, give us a follow, share us with another fan, and I will talk to you guys next week.