Part 2: Dr. Ginger Savely on her experience, expertise and patient advocacy

What The Morgs? Podcast with guest, Ginger Savely, DNP, FNP-C. Tick-borne Disease, Lyme and Morgellons Disease Specialist - Part 2

In Part 2 of this conversation, host Britt Girvan continues her discussion with Dr. Ginger Savely, DNP, FNP-C—one of the most experienced and compassionate voices in the treatment of Lyme and Morgellons disease. With decades of clinical expertise, Dr. Savely brings clarity to complex and often misunderstood conditions, while emphasizing the importance of listening to and believing patients. This episode dives deeper into the distinctions between Lyme and Morgellons, the misconceptions that continue to circulate, and why validation in the clinical setting can be life-changing. Grounded in both medical insight and human connection, this conversation offers hope, education, and a powerful reminder that patients deserve to be seen, heard, and supported.

Topics Discussed
-Lyme vs. Morgellons: Clearing Up Misconceptions
Dr. Savely addresses common misunderstandings about the relationship between Lyme disease and Morgellons, offering clarity on how these conditions are viewed clinically and where confusion often arises.

-The Power of Validation in Patient Care
Why simply being believed can transform a patient’s experience—and how compassion and acknowledgment are often missing pieces in traditional healthcare systems.

-Treating Complex, Overlapping Conditions
Insights from Dr. Savely’s extensive experience diagnosing and treating Lyme, co-infections, and Morgellons, including the challenges patients face navigating care and finding the right support.

This podcast is a dedicated space for those impacted by Lyme and Morgellons disease—offering real conversations, shared experiences, and guidance for anyone seeking clarity, connection, and hope.

This is Part 2 of a two-part conversation. Be sure to listen to or watch episode 1 if you haven't already.

About What The Morgs? Podcast:
What The Morgs? is a podcast for people navigating Lyme and Morgellons disease. Hosted by Britt Girvan, the show is built on a mission to support, educate, and empower those affected—turning personal struggle into shared strength and purpose.

Ginger Savely's Website: https://gingersavely.com/

What The Morgs? Website: https://whatthemorgs.com/

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hi, I'm Britt Gervin, host of What the Morgs podcast, and I am so happy that you're here. This podcast is dedicated to raising awareness for both Lyme and Morgellan's disease. I promise to give you authentic conversation, lived experiences, and expert interviews with people in the medical community. I'm so grateful that you're here. Thank you so much for tuning in. Welcome to part two of my interview with Dr. Ginger Savely.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Validation is so important. That's a very easy gift to give to somebody. Why can't more doctors do it? I always tell my patients, especially my young ones, you know, I say, if you can get through this, you can get through anything.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Thank you for for seeing us, for believing in us.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

I don't think Lyme causes more jelly's, in no way. There's one researcher that made that statement once and then people took it and ran with it. I don't think morgellins has anything to do with Lyme, other than the fact that Welcome to part two of my interview with Dr.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Ginger Savely. Dr. Ginger Savely is a world-renowned specialist in tink-borne diseases. You can find episode one, a conversation with Dr. Ginger Savely, leading expert on Morgelins and Lyme disease on Spotify, Apple, or on all of your favorite podcast platforms. So I think sometimes I have I have a few people in my community that maybe have um newer diagnosis. And you know, I I know this for myself that when I first started this journey, I didn't understand truly what peeling the layers of the onion meant.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Because um I remember initially starting the whole process and just like kind of like can't we, you know, get going, you know. But um, but I get it. I get it now. It is a very long, arduous, difficult journey. The minute you start, you get far worse than um than you ever felt. I I just I don't I don't know that because and what made me think of it is when you're saying, you know, they started off on the antibiotics and it was like, I'm gonna go do this. Yeah. And so um, so it's interesting. I'm kind of running into that a little bit. I mean, one, they don't necessarily want to hear more gelins, they don't. They do not. Yeah, I get it. But also, I just, you know, it it is a very long process and it is like peeling the layers of an onion back in order to get, you know, um, your immune system functioning again. And there's just so much um dependent upon how long you've been ill. So I was, you know, obviously misdiagnosed for probably, I'm gonna say probably I'd had it for 15 years. So it had a lot of time to do quite a bit of damage.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Um, but you know, and I don't I don't want that for them. So, you know, it's kind of like I wish that they would just sort of buy in a little bit earlier because to your point, a year from now, they're gonna come back and they're gonna be in a similar situation. Um, but it's I I don't know how else to sort of describe the journey.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

Yeah. But you know what? Um, Brid, they have to come to it when they're ready. And if it takes going off and doing voodoo for a year, whatever, then that's okay. Because when they come to it, they need to be ready. You can't force it. I'm always seeing parents trying to force their teenager or something into it. No, I always say, I'm not gonna treat anybody until they come to me. I need help. I'm not gonna push it on your husband, I'm not gonna push it on your teenager, you know, anything like that, because it always is a disaster. It's just not, you know, so I want them to be ready and them to be the ones that say, okay, do your thing. I I need I need it now. I need help. And and it and it just works better that way when people are ready. And it just takes some people longer to to be ready or even to come out of their denial that they really have something that needs to be dealt with, you know. So it it's um it's it's tough. There, there's a lot of psychology involved in all of this, too, because of the way people are already come to me or anyone else who's treating them for this, kind of with a chip on their shoulder, like ready to hate you, because they've had 30 doctors they ended up hating. So they're they're already mistrustful of the whole medical community, which I don't blame them for at all. Uh so it always has to take a while to kind of win them, win them over, so so to speak, uh, that this is a safe place now, that this, you know, I totally believe you, I know what's going on and all that. They're always kind of shocked because they're they they can't believe that they're allowed to say these things to me, you know, and and uh and I'm just so nonchalant when they do. I just say, oh yeah, okay, you got uh pink stuff coming out, okay. The blue, the blue, yep. Uh-huh. And you know, because I've just seen it so much. I mean, I I haven't had it. Nobody can empathize as well as somebody else who's had it. But I I've been around it a lot now for 25 years, and uh, so I'm kind of familiar with every different presentation which it could have.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Yeah, it's it's a big deal. Building trust um after typically what we've been through is a big deal. I remember finding my naturopath who also actually has she has lime and more gelins as well.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

And just I balled. I I'd never met anybody else. And then just to be valued and seen and heard was the gift that just I I I exactly. It was just um, and then my derm actually is one of the few here in uh Portland that um is a champion for Marjellens. And I just I feel so grateful. And to your point, he is one of very few. Um, and he and I have discussed, you know, um, you know, um, you know, maybe doing some things here in Portland around education and things like that. And, you know, he has just run into all the similar brick walls that you have um with with colleagues. And um and you know it's tough.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

They're not very kind to their doctors there that do uh alternate things. I've known a number of colleagues there.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

So yeah, I know, I know they're tough.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Yeah, and he he he runs the residency training program, and that is where he effectively is making change. So he is starting those residents fresh. And uh I actually interviewed him yesterday, and he had said that um one of his residents um because of her experience with Dr. Keller in Portland in clinic, she had her first um Morgellins patient in Washington State that she treated.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

And that, you know, just I mean, that's a gift. I mean, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

I mean, validation is so important. I always feel like, gee, you know, that's a very easy gift to give to somebody. Why can't more doctors do it? I just don't get it. But you know, I often have people come to me for the first time and they walk out the door saying, I feel 50% better. Just uh, but but mainly just because somebody heard them, you know, and listen.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

It's so true. I remember I felt the exact same way. The exact same way. Right. He's cried and cried and and I needed to. I mean, honestly, I think it's part of the healing as well.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Um, you know, I think it's pretty critical. Yeah, it's really in my office.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

I always have a big box of tissues because I I I expect that it's kind of the overwhelming release. Like yesterday, I told somebody who'd been sick so long, you know, this always happens, though. I told her, Yeah, well, you're you do have Lyme and Bartanella. And she got tears in her eyes, and she said, I am so excited to to hear that because you know, and that's the way it is. It's like you usually people aren't excited to get a diagnosis, but when you've been searching for 15 years, then you are, and and you feel like, see, I told you, I told you something was wrong with me. So it's yeah, it's very actually it's it's very difficult what I do, but it's so rewarding. It's just so rewarding. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I gosh, just uh you you know, you feel like you're really having a huge impact. Uh a lot different than family practice, you know, that I used to do, where people would come in with their bladder infections and their sprained ankles and coals, and it was pretty uh pretty basic, easy, easy stuff. Uh, I remember one time recently I filled in for a colleague of mine who went on a vacation, he's family practice. So I went and and worked in family practice again for a week after doing all of this. And I people would come in and they'll say, My my ankle hurt, and I just like and and and that's all. And I I I felt like that's all you've got. I'm used to people with 35 symptoms, you know, and so it just it just seemed like it seemed like falling off a log going back to family practice.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Oh, yeah, you know, that's yeah, I mean, uh, I mean, to have something as simple as that would be that gift. Exactly. Honestly, but they, you know, they don't know any different. Right. I would have never known had I not had this experience. And I've had a really colorful life, but this is beyond colorful. Um, literally, literally.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Yeah, yeah, because literally, I always tell my patients, especially my young ones, you know, I say, if you can get through this, you can get through anything. And, you know, only the strong survive, and and you know, you you're you're a tough person, so you're gonna get through this. And it's gonna change you in a ways that are actually really good ways because it's gonna make you very empathetic to a lot of people you might not have been before. And it also is going to make you appreciate your health when you have it, because the average person takes that for granted. They just, you know, go along, or people as lucky as my husband, who's just healthy as a horse all the time, you know, he doesn't even think about it. And whereas I, who I've never had Morgelins, but I was very, very sick with Lyme 30 years ago in bed for a year and all that. Uh, there's not a day that goes by when I'm not consciously uh kind of aware and excited about the fact that wait, I feel good today. You know, I I really notice it. And once you've been through this, I think you you do. You have more appreciation.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Now I I have even more questions. I'm like, you know, your own treatment and um, you know, have you had flare-ups? When you have flare-ups, how do you treat?

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Um I don't have uh a lot of my long-term patients, like me and my daughter, and actually my other daughter ended up getting it too. Um so this is what we do in our family. We all we all kind of our little language amongst ourselves is I is I'm having a limey day, we'll we'll say. And and then we immediately know what what each other means because it just means every now and then we still just have a day, usually it's after not enough sleep, eating some junk food, whatever. There's usually there's an explanation, yeah. You just feel that lightheaded and achy, and just that whole it just comes back to you. But as the years go on, it it goes away pretty quickly. We just rest of act like we're having some kind of a virus or something, and then we just and then it's gone. And so over the years, I've had those episodes less and less and less and less, and they become less um severe. So I remember the first couple of years after I was done with treatment, I sometimes would get those and I'd be pretty sick for a week or two, but then they'd be gone. So as time goes on, and I've seen this with my patients too, that they they gradually have less and less flares and they're less severe to the point where it gets rare. And it's very rare for me now. And I think it mostly only happens to me when I'm having really bad seasonal allergies, and that sort of you know kicks things up. So I don't know, it's probably just I'm getting inflamed because really, like I always tell my patients what I should have the sign I should have on the door is we treat inflammation because basically that's what I'm treating. Yeah, is it's just it's caused by different things and different people, but inflammation is what's causing the symptoms, and so once you get inflamed and you know those symptoms so well, anytime you get inflamed in the future, and it could be just because you ate two bags of candy one night or something, you're you're gonna have those same symptoms again, those same symptoms that you know so well. For some people, it's hot flushes, and some people it's dizziness and and achiness, and they're just different ways it comes up in people, but people get very used to that feeling, the feeling feverish when you don't have fever, for example, that kind of thing. That's a real common one, yeah. So it it we we uh we're we're fine now. My daughter, who was the sickest, is now 42. She just had her first baby, uh, something she never was sure she was going to be able to do. She uh she pardon. Congratulations. No, thank you. And uh she gradually got better through the years, but still it's rough for her, and she has a hard time keeping down a job just because the unpredictability, you know, so she'll be fine, fine, fine. And then it hits her, and and it's the unpredictability that makes it difficult for her to hold down just a regular kind of eight to five job. So she's always sort of had to do uh you know, work um from the home, doing doing her own thing, you know. Yeah, but it's you know, then my other daughter has really got a very, very uh go-go job. She really has works hard, but she she wasn't quite as sick, but and also she's just really tough and she just goes through it.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

So does did it did it affect your daughter's cognition then? Because I know you mentioned wheelchair. Okay, because that's how that's me, is my cognition.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

And uh, you know, what what I've I've talked to so many parents who went through their kids being sick, both my patients and also just people I run into conferences, and the primary thing that seems to stick around with these kids that get sick is the executive functioning. And that even once they start to feel better overall, and they they actually can kind of think pretty clearly and all that, but the executive functioning that uh they have such a difficulty with that, which makes it very hard for them to say get through college if they're going to college, just the whole thing of getting getting their thoughts organized and and getting, you know, to write a paper for something is just like ah, overwhelming for them. And that that's a thing that takes quite a long time.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Yes, definitely. Is there um is there any specific treatment protocol that you might have specifically for the cognitive piece of it, for example? And again, I know it's different in everybody, but I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Well, what I learned from uh Dr. Charles Ray Jones, who I I did intern under, and he was uh, for those who don't know, he passed away a few years ago, but he was basically the pediatric lime guru of the world. He treated about 20,000 children with Lyme from all over the world. So he really knew his stuff there with with that. And um so he he taught me a lot of important things that you just learn clinically, you know. Not that there's the research studies behind it, but that you learn clinically. Uh I am gonna have to now admit that I forgot what we where we started. What was the question?

SPEAKER_01 17:27

We um I asked about is there any treatment protocol that you do specifically for cognition?

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Yes, good. Thank you so much for remembering that. Woo-hoo! Okay. Yes, Dr. Jones is the one who taught me that the very best thing for the brain is is the you know, metronidazole. Uh flagell is the name brand of that. And that he found is an extremely important part of the treatment for people who had a lot of cognitive. Then, of course, for certain patients, it's intravenous too. But the um he always found that, like if, for example, he treated a lot of kids that were diagnosed with autism or PANS, PAN does different things like that. And he found that the metronite is always a really important part with in terms of getting to the brain and and fixing that.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

And not in limited side effects for that one?

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Well, it's tough. Uh, it's very tough because it causes the toughest herxes of all, you know, because it goes in there and wakes up the dormant bacteria. And also, people do have uh stomach troubles with it sometime. Uh, I'll try if I if they can't tolerate metronidazole, then I'll switch them over to tanidazole, a close cousin. But sometimes people can tolerate one and not the other. Uh, they're very similar, and they're both great cisbusters for for Lyme. And so that that's always included in the treatment. However, there has to be a certain amount of pulse to it because those are medications that can create neuropathies if taken consistently over a long period of time. So I always do them in a pulsed manner, like three weeks on, one week off, if if they can tolerate that. So, but usually working up very gradually to that because it pardon the expression, kicks your butt really bad. And so we have to start really low on that and work into it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Yeah, I did tanitazole and and somewhere in my protocol, it's been a minute. And I don't generally herx like most folks, but like my herxing is more um emotional.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

So it always is with metronidazole and tenidazole. I always say metronidazole, the herxing is from the neck up. In other words, headaches, depression, um, and cognitive stuff problems. That that's that's the herxing I see a lot with the with those too, the metronidazole and tenidazole. But well, I always tell my patients the very ways that it makes you feel awful when you first start on it, those are the very things it's going to make better. So they get kind of used to that. They they know that if this medication is making my muscle twitches way worse, that that's the medication they need for their muscle twitches, and that's gonna eventually take care of them.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Right. Yeah. You know, I'm curious, has there been um have you noticed any changes in the last 25 years since you've been treating? Like, have the patients have they shifted at all? I mean, is there anything different?

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Um Well, here's the things I've noticed. Um, number one, uh, there is a slight improvement in the sense that uh now or in the early days of me treating this, I would get calls from doctors yelling at me for what I was doing, uh, and saying that, you know, it was ridiculous, I was harming people, that uh the that that they didn't have anything anyway, I shouldn't be all that. And now what is uh happening now is literally I'm getting emails every day from doctors around the world asking for help and treating. Like there, they say, I know this patient has more gellens disease, but I don't know what to do. And I've written a white paper for those people and I I send them a lot of information. I've had people come up to me at conferences and they say, Thank you for saving my life. And I'd be like, I I don't think I know you. And they say, Oh no, you don't know me, but you helped my doctor treat me. And I'll be like, Oh, that's so great to hear, you know.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

That's awesome. I mean, that's a huge shift, too.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Huge shift. Oh my gosh. So huge.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

So you're seeing globally people are reaching out globally?

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Absolutely. Absolutely. All over the world. Sometimes I'm so shocked to see where these things come from. Uh these doctors come from. And then also, of course, I always wonder, how do they know about me? But anyway, I'm I'm all ready for them. I've got this whole packet of things I send out to other healthcare providers with prescriptive authority. I can only send it to them, not to patients, just for medical legal reasons. So uh, but it's something that if a patient asks their doctor to ask me for, I'm happy to send it to them. And uh that that that has helped a lot of doctors who've who've asked me because their hearts are in the right place. They they know this is something they want to help, but they just don't know where to begin. So, you know, you you gotta uh respect that.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

I mean that's so much better than that's a a a positive change.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

That's that makes me really happy.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Very much so. I'm I'm very happy to see that. I don't get people yelling at me anymore. Yay! Yay, yay. I'm a sensitive soul, so it's hard for me. Uh yeah, yeah, it was it it was tough there in the early years of it for sure, but I mean, you know, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Um, and then uh, you know, I'm I'm curious. Um, so right behind you is the cover of your book, Morgellant. Morgellant The Legitimization of a Disease. So is there um any talk of um um uh a new edition? Um, have you found any new findings? You know, where where are you at in in that process?

SPEAKER_00 23:52

I'd tell you what, when that came out, I intended to do a every year to update it. And there has not been anything new. It's been nine and a half years since I did that book. I totally plan to update it, you know, all the time. But there isn't anything. There's nothing new to say that's not already in there. Interesting. Um so I, you know, it's just sad to say, but things kind of there was a lot of interest in Morgellan's disease about maybe 15 years ago. Like I was on TV things all the time. So was Cindy Casey of the Morgellan's Foundation. People, it it sort of, I think news people kind of got excited, like, oh, this is cool, something different, you know. So there was a lot, there was a flurry of of uh different little shows featuring it, like Diane Ring show, and then we were on several uh those shows like Monsters Inside Me, or I can't even remember the name, those kind of shows, and interviewed a lot of times. Uh and uh but but then that sort of died down. And like I said, that was more like somewhere between 10 and 15 years ago, and people just don't seem to be as interested in it anymore. I'm I'm not sure why.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

That has that's that's curious.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

We need to rev up interest again in it.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

I'm I'm hoping, I'm hoping that this podcast will, you know, at least create another opportunity um to be heard, um, to be seen and to be valued, most importantly. Um yeah, I mean it's it's a difficult situation. There isn't enough funding, you know. Um, so you know, we can only, you know, with the limited resources that we do have, right, just even in our own community, and then outside of the community, it's so limited as it relates to clinicians. It's, you know, um, it's terrible. It's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

I'm frustrated by it all the time, you know, and I'm kind of, you know, I should be retired now. I'm 75 years old. I'm, you know, kind of, I mean, I'm getting a little bit tired, I have to say, but I mean, I'm very passionate about what I do, so I'm still at it. I've cut back. I'm not, I don't, you know, do it really full-time anymore. But I just um I don't have the energy anymore for going and sort of fighting City Hall, you know. I I need some of the the the younger people to to try to do that and become political and and make a big fuss about it. Years ago, we had a big protest right in in Atlanta, right around the CDC about it. Uh so I'm hoping some new fresh blood will come along that has that. But the problem is they usually are sick themselves, so nobody has the the energy to do it. You know, that's what we've always found with these foundations and everything, is that we'll give assignments for people to do, and then we have another board meeting the next month. And I I didn't do it. I I felt too bad this month, that kind of thing. So, you know, it's that I get that.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

I mean, it took me a long time to get to this place, you know, right to feel well enough. Um, you know, and what I mean by that more importantly is is my cognition, you know, um, my follow-through, my my ability to retain information, you know. Initially, I um I I I mean, it's still a challenge for me to read. So I do better with any sort of you know, audio. Um, I can read it. It's just I can't, I can't retain it. But I'm, you know, I I know I'm improving. Um, otherwise I wouldn't be here.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Right, right. It's it's a slow thing, and it's, you know, it's the last thing to come back. That's what I always tell my patients. It's it's the last thing, you know. Um we always joke and say, of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. And uh, you know, you you gotta have a little humor with all this. You can't you can't survive without it.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

But it's funny, I always say, um, I can't wait to meet myself again.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Right. You know, yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Still waiting, still waiting.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Yes. I used to use expressions like um when I'd cut I felt like I was coming out of things and my brain was coming back like I was I would say uh I I feel like a real person again. Because I thought I just only a partial human when when I was so sick. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Yeah, definitely like a shell. It's it's hard to describe. It's really hard to describe. People don't understand how sick we are.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

No, they they don't. And they often just kind of look at you and go, oh, you look fine to me. You know, and they do the basic labs and they're usually fine on my patients, you know, things like their CBC and their metabolic panel. And so they're you're fine.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

I I'm curious. Um, and and I know I know we need to wrap it up, but I have so many questions I could sit and talk to you for forever. But you know, um when I first was given the Morgellan's diagnosis, um, there was a couple people that described it um in the community as Lyme on steroids.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

So meaning correct. Yeah. Okay. Um, first of all, I don't think morgelins has anything to do with Lyme other than the fact that a lot of the patients have Lyme because that's a big immunosuppressant. I don't think Lyme causes Morgelins, no way. Uh there's, you know, one researcher that made that statement once and then people took it and ran with it. And and it's not not correct. We've not shown that to be the case at all. I mean, I well, who knows what's correct, but we definitely do not know what causes this. No way. I mean, we we look we've looked in the lesions to see what bacteria are in the lesions, and there's a lot of bacteria in the lesions, but anyway, that doesn't mean they caused it. Right. There's a lot of bacteria, you you can get a lesion for any reason, and there's going to be a lot of bacteria in it, but doesn't mean that that caused it. That's another big step in research to go to saying uh the what's a causative pathogen. And all they've done so far is just say, here's what we find in the lesions. Well, I'm not sure what that really means. You know, and they found different things. They they found Lyme spirocate, they found Bartonella, they found weird things like Triponema denticolo, which is supposed to only be in the mouth. That would have they found that in these. So I it it who knows what what that all means, but it's a very early step in research, and it's not we're not even close to a point of saying this is lime on steroids. No, no way. But it is a lot worse than having just lime for sure. I mean, you know, I I honestly have gotten to a point, it sounds funny to say, but you know, when I look at my patient list uh before I start in the morning, and then I'll look and I'll go see that one of them is just Lyme, and then we're done, and I'm so excited, it's like, oh boy, yay. It's like a walk in the park, you know. Uh, because after you've treated morgellins, then you think, oh wow, the Lyme is, you know, that's not so bad. Yeah, it's it's bad, but it's not as bad as what the Morgellins patients are going through. So I guess in that way you could call it Lyme on steroids, just in the sense that I mean you could call it a cold on stenteroids too. I mean, it's just you feel you feel so much sicker.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um so for those listeners um who might um have a a clinician who might be open to you know um to reaching out uh to collaborate and educate themselves. Are you are you do you offer that to to folks in the case? Yes, all the time.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Yes, uh they just the doctor themself, not the patient, has to send an email to Lime DC, you know, L-Y-M-E, and then DC is for District of Columbia, Lime DC at gmail.com, and uh just ask for my, you know, they can say my white paper on more gelons, or they can just say my treatment help for or whatever. And then I sort of have a whole packet of things that I send to them uh talking about different aspects of it, uh just symptom management and herbal treatments, antibiotic protocols, the the whole bit. And I a lot of a lot of people have been treated by their doctors based on that and and gotten better. So I just can't anymore. Sometimes they want me to call them and talk with them, and I I just I can't. There's just not time to to do that. I understand. There's too many, and so that's why I spent the time to really put together this good packet that kind of probably has everything in it that they would ever ask.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

Um, I would love a copy of that packet if that is possible.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Well, um, like I said, for medical only for clinicians. I can only provide it to people who have prescriptive authority. Got it. Nurse practitioner, a PA, a physician, whatever like that. Now, um, that is all because part of the investigation against me had to do with, and I it it wasn't true actually, but they I was accused of treating somebody uh without ever even seeing them. And and all I did was uh give some sort of general advice about treatment to somebody, but then that person decided they would report me to the medical board, and um you just never know. So I've gotten to the point where I'm I'm I may be paranoid, but I I've just been through so much craziness.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

Oh, I don't want anything to happen to you.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

So that that I I just really try to follow the role rules to the team. So I don't they because see the problem with all of us who treat Lyme and Morgelans is that uh they want to bring us down, but they often don't really have a good way to. So what they usually do is find other things. Like even when I when I was investigated, they weren't really investigating me for treating Lyme. Oh no, that's what started it. But then they went in and they they just tore apart my medical records and crazy stuff like, you know, oh, you initialed that instead of signed it, or you, you know, they just found stuff, all this stuff. And uh when I first saw it to the attorney that I used uh who who did medical practice cases, she she looked at it, all the allegations, and she looked at it, and then she looked at me and said, Who did you piss off? Because it was obviously such ridiculous stuff. But that's the way they usually bring the Lyme doctors down, is just because any healthcare provider, if you go in and just examine the heck out of the records, there's gonna be things. I mean, every everybody's busy, you know, and sometimes you don't have or have it down just exactly the way, you know. But those things are usually not even looked at. It's just if they want to bring you down for some other reason, that's when they go in and comb the records with a fine-tooth comb and yeah, and and find these things.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

Yeah, I don't want anything to happen to you. You're far too valuable. So never mind. Thank you. Well but ask your doctor to. Oh no, I I I definitely will. But for those, for those listening, you can reach out and connect uh with Dr. Savely uh via the Lime DC at gmail.com. Correct. Um if if you need uh you know uh assistance, if if your clinician uh needs to collaborate.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

And I am still accepting some new patients. So if anybody wanted to become a patient, uh what they need to do is send an email to that address and just ask for a new patient packet. There are occasions when I look over the thing and I think, you know, maybe uh this this isn't a case I I I want to take on at this point in my career because I'll look at it and realize, you know, they need intravenous. They uh so there are some people where I'll tell them, I think you should find somebody else. But uh I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm still taking new patients. So okay. Okay if they want if they want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

Yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

Thank you so much for joining me today. I can't thank you enough. And thank you for for seeing us, for believing in us. Um just we need more of you. So I'm hopeful that this will be this opportunity, this podcast series and others like it will hopefully elevate um people to to think um more clearly and um and and get involved and learn how to support us better. That would be really helpful.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

And I do speak at a lot of medical conferences, and that that's where I make the most impact, you know, because some of these doctors, once I show them the photographs on the slides, you know, the presentation, they're just like, what they they they just yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

That's good. That's good. Yeah, that's that's positive. I mean, it's unfortunate, but it's positive.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

So yeah. Well, again, thank you so much. Appreciate it and uh enjoyed it. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

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