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Absa Cape Epic 2026 | Grand Finale
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I can hardly catch my breath. What a final stage of this 2026 Appscape Epic. I mean, we were on uh based on the edge of our seats sitting in the media center watching this on the live streaming. And as we went into the final stage, we knew it was going to be a tough stage. And it was just that. I mean, it was amazing. Let's just give a summary about where we started at the beginning of the day. It was the team which are to specialised, which was the Matt Bears and Justin Yookia, who was 13 seconds behind the leaders at the moment, Luca Brado and Simona Evandetta, the William Victoria team. That's where they went into this final 56 kilometer stage. So 13 seconds was the gap. It had to be 14 seconds for GeoTospecialise, the also the African team to win it. And they did it.
SPEAKER_02It was amazing. An emotional roller coaster for sure. I mean, just uh watching it and the crowd and the way that the commentators on the finish line got the crowd involved and the way that the crowd were held into anticipation all the time. Um you know it's so sad sometimes when you get such a masterclass at the sharp end of the field, and that certainly came from Sam Gaze and Lucas Horsepower today. They got away, they won by a minute and 16 seconds. But remember, that's not where the battle was. The overall uh is is it lies with the general classification? And today um the South Africans were motivated. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall in the team room last night because the options and the ability to roll the dice when you have six riders in the team is magnificent. But again, Mike, we talk about the Absicam Baby always of the trade teams and the professional teams, but when it comes to the last day and it comes to the grand finale, it's South Africa versus the rest of the world, isn't it?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I mean it was, and I obviously from a local perspective, it was massive having so many um of the internationals uh racing here, but the support from the locals was also massive. So the advantage for the South African team was that they literally had the advantage of so many people supporting them on the trails. So let's give a bit of a pricey about what happened out there. So within the first 10 kilometers, it was very clear that their Toyota specialised team seemed to be the stronger of the day. Up the first climb of the day, they pulled about a minute gap over the uh William Vittoria team, and the TV cameras were trained on them for most of the time. It looked like Luca Breider, who struggled yesterday, was going to be struggling again today. And um Simeon Aventetta was behind him trying to keep him going, but it looked like it was going to be a full gone conclusion within the first 10 kilometers. But then very briefly, it was um Matt Bears had to stop on the side of the trail, he had a problem with his Duraio. He stopped very briefly, 10-15 seconds. The yellow jersey went past him again, he had to go past. Meanwhile, Tristan O'Kee appeared, went further up the road, and Matt Bez just steamed fast the yellow jersey. Yeah, and the gap was out two minutes ago. But just when we thought it was kind of it was a foregone conclusion, as the race started getting down to the last 15-10 kilometers, Willie Vittorio started coming back pretty well.
SPEAKER_02They started pulling back some time at one stage. Uh it got to about 48 seconds, 50 seconds, and then down to 27, and then at the end, I think down to 23. And obviously, in those last sort of uh two or three kilometers, things blow out again because they realize they're not gonna get there and and they didn't. And and the win went to the uh South African team of Tristan Orkia and Matthew Bears. And uh well done, Tooda specialised in Bucco were clinical. It's the first time ever in the history, 22 years history here at a South African race at the Abuskabic, that a South African men's team has won the overall, and the crowd went crazy. Do not underestimate though the job done by Trevor Steadman and Marco Joubert today. They were instrumental because we had the uh French uh Matei Zosero and the three Italians really, really working well together today. So I I'm bummed for for both Luca and for Simone. They know the guys. I mean, they really are the consummate professionals. They're really tick boxes every single day. They're polite, they give us the interviews, um, and you could see they were gutted.
SPEAKER_06They've come second two years in a row. Yeah, amazing. Well, let's just take a moment just to uh kind of focus on one particular performance, which I think is probably the stand out performance, just because of what happened on the child say Justin Orkea, we know for the last three days has been really struggling. He's been having to dig deep pretty much every single stage, and Matt Beers has clearly been the stronger partner. Today we saw Matt Beers pushing Tristan Oakia up in some of the climbers, but halfway through the stage, Tristan O'Kea had a pretty bad fall. He hit his pedal on this on one on one of the uh routes as they were going through some of the forests, went over the Hanlebars, cut his arm, his right arm. Yeah, I mean it was pretty bad. And you could see some of the images we saw on the finishing line, it was a nasty fall. It wasn't so much the arm that was a problem because he also landed on his right leg as well, which again made his leg numb. And as he said in the interview, which we'll listen to very shortly, he could hardly pedal after that. So it was a moment of pure I I think he he must have thought, well, we're gonna we're gonna lose this now because I've had this crash. So we were all watching this and thinking, well, this is now the chance for the Willi Vittorio team to make up the time, and they did. So it was it was tough. And he gathered out towards the finish, and he was so emotional on the finishing line that we I mean, you your heart goes out to him. He is he's 24 years old, as Matt Bia said yesterday, a tough, tough kid, and you prove what he can do in this trip.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, heart on his sleeve, and I mean, you know, all kudos to you know, not just him, but to Matt, who's uh who's such an incredible leader. Yeah, you know, we've seen that Matt now has won his fourth. He's one short of the two all-time goats, the callblatt and Christoph Sazer. And Tristan's won his first. I think what you've got to also understand genetically, physiologically, um the DNA on Tristan or Kia, his max is 6.5 watts per kilo. That is uh all he can do. God gave him a body, and God said he's a smaller guy. He's doing 6.5, but even Matt pushing him. This is what people don't understand. People are watching and they're saying, oh, Tristan's having a bad day. No, no, no, you're Tristan is on max. He is putting out against the best riders in the world the best he can, and that is 6.5 watts per kilo. But now you've got Matt Bears who can come behind him and give him a push at 6.5 watts. This just shows you how powerful Matt is and and just how brave uh Tristan has been over the last eight days. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Well, let's listen to an interview that we did with uh a very emotional Tristan Nyokia at the end of the final stage today.
SPEAKER_10Listen, hold on. Just give us a sense of how you're feeling at the moment after that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, for sure. You can't get bigger than this, you can't get better than this.
SPEAKER_05Interesting.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's in it, but there's so many emotions going through. All the sacrifices and yeah, just yeah, just there's just so many stuff you have to sacrifice and the family and friends, and yeah, it wouldn't be possible without the team. And yeah, there's just so many, so many people behind the scenes that yeah, and all that you just I wanna do it for the people. Um, yeah, it's it's special.
SPEAKER_09Oh no, what's what you know?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I knew it was it was a big crash. Um I clipped the pedal and before I knew I was over the bar. I left my arm super better than my after that. I think my definitely my rat leg did uh after that my rat leg was dead and I couldn't pedal anymore. I couldn't get any fun. Yeah, but without market travels and maths, it would it wouldn't have been possible. So yeah, it was a team effort to the end the whole week.
SPEAKER_09It feels like fun, Christian. It feels like this, you discovered a lot of extra stuff this week, how attitude can actually be.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's again, it's this tattoo, it's you can't ever give up. Um it's not over till you cross that finish line. So yeah, it's even if you have a bunch of falls, if it doesn't work out, you can't you can never give up. So yeah, and that was the thing about us this week. We had so much bad luck and mechanicals and everything, but yeah, we just get believing, and yeah, it wouldn't have been possible without Matt.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so there we go, Tristan Nokia. I mean, what a marvellous guy, and I I think in many ways, just showing true South African grit, you know, all of us here in South Africa, we know that South Africans have got this never give up attitude, and I think he kind of personifies that. Anyway, Matt Beers, as you just mentioned, I mean, we can talk about the bravery of Tristan Nokia, but the pure class of Matt Beers today, it was on show in many different ways, pure just from his ability to be able to push his partner at times to lead from the front as he did, to never give up. I think Tristan Nokia discovered things about himself purely because the fact that Matt Beers was encouraging him all the way, and uh he was the guy that kind of set the tone for the win.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, respect and patience, you know. Matt is patience, and as he says, you know, he's done this many times before. It's about choosing the right moment, being in the right place at the right time, and managing expectation. You know, we see the show, and Matt said, we hope you guys enjoyed the show. We're dying out here, but we hope we put on a good show. Uh Sam Gay has said the same thing. Um, and I think that's something you've got to remember. Like, these are human beings, uh, there's so much going on. You know, they've got family, they've got friends, um, they they they are so media intense during these eight days that that there's a lot to take in. Sometimes you just want to get away and breathe. And you know, the patience of giving us those interviews, telling us that story, opening up their lives to us, to you as the public. I mean, it's a phenomenal job. It's a day of pride, certainly, for the Abscabia community with the All-African win for the men, uh, and and and the win for Candace for the first time, which we'll get into shortly. But what a day. I mean, it's it's a day for day for legacy.
SPEAKER_06Well, let's listen to Matt Beers as he explains uh the final stage and his uh significance of this win for him.
SPEAKER_05And describe uh your feelings now after winning your fourth uh title. How does that compare to crossing any time you've got across? It's cool, it's definitely a special one being a whole team. It's never been done before, so that's super it's a really cool moment, and um yeah, it's what what we've been trying to, I mean, what a lot of South Africa's been trying to do for a long time and finally got it done.
SPEAKER_10Just uh a few words about your partner who was very brave out there after the crash.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, obviously Tristan has written amazing all week, same as a team. Travis and Marco and um Jaden and Lewis also did a great job this morning. Yeah, huge effort. Tristan obviously made it harder for himself by crashing pretty hard. Um but yeah, he got it done, and that's it shows true character and um shows that he was the one who deserved it.
SPEAKER_08But then they actually keep closing back on you uh towards the end there. Were you aware of how close it was getting?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I mean we just had to keep the pressure on them all day, and um I knew that it would be hard to close like 15-20 seconds, and they would have to put in a massive effort to close 30 seconds. Um as long as we just kind of kept that elastic going the whole time, I knew we could kind of keep it, and uh that's exactly what we did.
SPEAKER_08And did you know we won at the finish line, or were you still waiting for them to close the finish line?
SPEAKER_05I knew I think we had around like close to a minute at the end. I knew that they would be despondent and give up once they heard 40 seconds, three cares to go. I mean it's almost impossible to bring that back. Um so I was bad, I was um banking on them kind of mentally giving up a little bit, and yeah, I just kept him going full games because you never know. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_07They just tell us where this sits in terms of all your epic wins. Where does this one sit in terms of its significance? I mean, they're all different.
SPEAKER_05None is better than the other. It's they all one differently, they're all one with a different person. So yeah, they're all special in their own way.
SPEAKER_06There we go, Matt Beers, the powerhouse, the Matt train that we talked about on many different occasions during this race when he was when they when they got mechanicals earlier on in the week and he was able to power back to the start. I mean, they didn't have an easy Cape Epic game, but they still managed to pull off the win. So this is the final GC results. Uh the Teota specialise in Buca team of Beers and Nokia. 26 hours and 55 minutes of racing flat out for a week. William Vittorio second place, one minute and four seconds back in the end. And Canyon, the winners of the stage today, what a fantastic performance. Uh, three stage wins for them this week. Sam Gaze and Lucas Schwarzbar. But uh yeah, African jersey also very, very competitive as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, nice to see the Toyota Specialiser Bucco team, um uh Marco Jabet and Trevor Stedman, they came sixth overall on the GC and the first time. Taken on the stage today. And you saw how they moved up, and then of course, um nice to see Insect Sciences on a tour and Jan Vittar coming back. They really got stronger towards that. We had an interview with Jan, I think, after the Queen stage, where they just ran into miserable luck, but they've moved themselves up into third place on the Abbas African DC. So well done to Team Insect Science.
SPEAKER_06There we go. So yeah, there was a very good competition there, right down the top ten and lots of uh very close you know, towards the last few days, it moved a lot, particularly that third position, Kenny and eventually getting it, but it was it was a good competition with the Klimatiza team. Right, let's move on to a very special, and I I love the comment from Alessandra Keller. She said, I was the only non-South African in the top two teams because it was a win for Candace Little and Alessandra Keller today um in the general classification. They won the stage today, and uh it was a it was literally like an exhibition for them the last couple of days after we saw the withdrawal of the She Sens Foundation team. But I mean let's just pay tribute to Candace Lill. She's done this race and she's finished five second five times. She's finally won it, and you can see she was quite emotional about it today because even though she's performed exceptionally well at XE races and World Cups, and she's really is the darling of South African mountain biking. This was one race that she really wanted and needed to win.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, absolutely. And it it's just so massive for her. You could see she just took the time to reflect, uh, asked her the question, and you could see her look uh looking deep into her soul. You know, this was something she really, really wanted. And it's difficult sometimes because you know, we see the racing, we see what's going on, and when a team performs so well, so consistently for so long, people are focusing on the drama around the team. But they had a masterclass here at the 2026 absorption, but they really did, they did everything right. Obviously, the one stage win for the team she sends with Kate and Greta, but certainly an incredible couple of days. They formed a great relationship that's gonna go well into the year ahead, obviously, as they go on to the uh UCR World Cup tour as well. But for Candace, this was uh something that she needed to do, and she did it.
SPEAKER_06Well, we're gonna play an interview with Candace Lill that I did earlier, and I tell you, it's one of those interviews that as a journalist, you know, people will react to how they performed in a race. But once one or two once one or two sportsmen that you interview kind of give you something a bit deeper, and as you'll hear from Candace Lill now, it was it meant more to her in a very humble way than uh than you would think, but it it it really was a very special day for her in many different ways.
SPEAKER_03That's what it means to finally win this race. Wow, it's been a long time coming, but at the same time, yeah, I never really I don't feel that I deserve something. You know, you've got to work for everything that you get. Um and I think yeah, all the I don't regret the whole journey that it took to get here because it just made me stronger, it made me keep believing I knew what I was capable of. But sometimes you know you've got to you've got to go through those deep dark situations to get uh to where you are well we have what I achieved today, and I think it just makes it yeah, it makes it sweeter, and um I'm very grateful for everybody around me that helped me to get here.
SPEAKER_10Can you reflect back on your life where you grew up and at this moment is this kind of a combination of this life of activity and mountain biking?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I've been on a mountain bike pretty much as long as I can remember. Like my parents tell the story of when I was three years old, I rode 22 kilometers, like I begged my dad to go. And I think that was just the start of this like yeah, this love for mountain biking and what I do, and yeah, really like I am so grateful to get to do what I love, and this is yeah, this is what I dreamed when I was a young girl, and I'm I'm able to live it. And yeah, I think that's just it's a huge blessing. And to win races like this to be competing internationally, like I never thought actually that I had the I don't know, like I'm not a super aggressive or or competitive person. Like I just I love what I do, I set high standards for myself and I stop at nothing to achieve those things. And I think it just proves um also hopefully to younger girls um coming up that you you don't have to be this like huge personality that's like super dominant or anything. You can just do your thing, believe in yourself, know what you're good at, and go at it with all your heart, and you'll do well.
SPEAKER_10Just a word about your partner, and just uh throughout this week, how's she been?
SPEAKER_03Alessandra's been an absolute pleasure to race with. Like, really, I think I couldn't have found a better partner. Um we were so well matched in every situation. The differences between us were so small in the different parts of mountain biking, and we we dealt with those very easily. And I think most of all, just the person that she is, I really look up to her and and also what she she's achieved and how she's been able to stay so humble and true to herself and just a real person, and it's been a pleasure to race with her. I was feeling emotional already this morning, but I didn't want to like let it let it on because you have to focus still uh all the way to the line, and yeah, then when I crossed the finish line, I already started feeling wow, like a huge sense of relief. And yeah, I think when I saw when I saw Darren and when I gave him a hug, it just yeah, I think if anybody knew like the things he does to make me be able to do or to win a race like this, like yeah, it's it's late nights, it's it's long days, it's going over and above, like taking all the stress on himself, and yeah, like I would never be without him, so it means a lot. Wonderful, thanks very much.
SPEAKER_06There you go, Candace Lill, and uh also I can manage to talk to Alessandra Killer because it was interesting for me, she's a person who does exceptionally well on the short course um X E racing and also in X E Racing herself. She's one of the great champions of the World Cup circuits. And I asked her, first of all, why did she feel the need to come and do the apps at Cape Epic? And uh, this is what she had to say.
SPEAKER_07Tell us where this sort of ranks in terms of all your mountain biking achievements.
SPEAKER_01It's hard to like put it into a ranking because it's just different, you know. It's for me it's like winning an overall because uh when you win overalls one season you have to perform in every single race, and to me, like stage racing in Cape Epic is like performing throughout eight days, and yeah, just having the energy and also the you know acceleration, everything it needs for every single day. And yeah, it means a lot to me. It means even more to me because we partner up. Like when you win, you win as a single athlete, and now you win as a team, and obviously, even if you're like a cross-country athlete, you win with a team, but here we it's the expanded team, and I'm really proud.
SPEAKER_10You've done very well over C in ECC and XC racing.
SPEAKER_01What is this race? Who do you feel to participate in? I think for me it was always a dream to do it, and I've always wanted to do it actually, and that's why it means a lot to me because you can't do it like every year, or you're so special and it's a big project. It started with an adventure and then in a friendship with the whole everyone in the team, and that makes me proud. She was amazing and she's really strong, and I always say if you like the strongest, it doesn't help because you're a team and she's she's just she's she's very honest, very grounded, and she she I just like her values as well. So it was amazing to partner up with her. I really enjoyed, and I'm proud of her to be a South African, and finally, after seven attempts of winning.
SPEAKER_06Right there we go. So uh Alexander Keller, what a performance on her first APS at Cape Epic. So um, second place today was Monica Calderon and Tessa Korticas, who had a rich start of the week. In fact, there was that famous interview where um uh Tessa Korticas wasn't particularly complimentary about Monica Calderon's uh state of fitness, but they've caught back really well this week and uh they've now finished second on the stage today. Um in third place, Haddy Haley Preen and Hattie Smith, the South African and Canadian, and uh they had an exceptionally good ride where they just kind of slowly but surely moved up the classification and uh ended up finishing in second place in the classification. So as it looks now, but after the final stage today, it was uh Lil and Keller at the top of the uh of the standings. The Champion Champion Honeycomb team of Preen and Smith, they were 52 minutes back. Torpada FSA Kenda, uh Katezina Sosne Pinele and Georgia Marche, they were one hour and eight minutes back. Uh fourth is Sim Technik, Margamete and Kilda Pretti, and Monica Calderon and Tessa Cortiman's down in fifth place. But it it it was it was it was sad, obviously, that we lost the team with Kate Courtney and to get to see um Sea Vault. But in the end, I think Hayley Preen, one of those athletes, along with Haley Smith, who's so consistent, and she wrote better and better. Well, they both did, they're both better and better as we heard our TV helicopter going over us. Um they wrote better and better as the week got on. And they were they were riding classic epic style because they just eased in it consistency every day.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and again, that's the secret. You know, like we said yesterday, everyone builds up to the Queen stage, but there's still two days after that. I think an excellent performance from Court to Cuss and And uh Monica today because they won the grand finale last year. Uh they need to uh sort out what they need to sort out, but at the end of the day, they are a world-class team. We had a chat with uh Vera Losa and Rosa van Duren on the finish line. We had a chat with Greta on the finish line, and and you know, taking out such key players in a puzzle which creates the story around the elite women's race is is instrumental and and and it really does nullify so much because it it it it sort of takes away a little bit from the winners, but at the same time, it's it's it's such a it's such a big event, Mike. Yeah, you know, it's it's eight days, it's massive, and and and and to do it for the first time, like Alessandra has done, like she said, no mechanicals, no technicals, yeah, no food issues, day after day after day.
SPEAKER_06So it's remarkable. It's remarkable. Yeah, it's remarkable. I think what's important, and I think this is kind of epic discussion, but it's you would say yes, it was unfortunate. Unfortunate that people crash, unfortunate that people get sick, that mechanicals happen, but that is what the Cape Epic's about. There are those variables that unfortunately change the outcome, which makes winning an event like that all the more impressive because you have to have a little bit of luck. You have to have a little bit of good fortune on your time on your on your side, plus you have to have the fitness and be able to go out there and race every single day, we got day after day. So it it is part of the race, these elements, and you know, to some extent it it hopefully encourages people like Kay Courtney and to get to Sivalt to come back and potentially win it next year or some year in the future.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely, and I think well done as well to Katazina Sosta and Georgia Marchette. You know, they they third on the GC. Uh they got one podium throughout the whole week. Um uh and they come through and they take that position on the general classification. So well done to them, Team Topato. Um, just really, really consistent, uh, riding well, a good team, a team that's been part of the uh UCI Cross Country Marathon World Tour for years, and and and and well done to them, really, really impressive. Also, again to Sam Sanders and Bianca Hall for taking the Ebbs African jersey. They finished sixth on the GZ. And and and and respect to them because they too had their ups and downs. We remember Sam, uh six, six, sick on day two, day three trying to stay on the bike, day four recovering slightly, having a beast of a stage uh when she got to the Queen stage, and and so strong towards the end. So, um, yeah, like we say, uh it's a storyteller's dream. You know, the stars need to align for you at the Absicape Epic, and and if they don't, then well, you've got a taste, and you're gonna be back next year.
SPEAKER_06Right, so for the final time, Mr. Karl Platt, who's uh observer, farm time one of the Absa Cape Epic, but uh watching from Vafa in Germany, and we asked him again for his team of the day, or maybe he was teams of the day, we we don't know.
SPEAKER_00APSA Cape Epic, what a legacy, what a race! How crazy was this racing today? Tristan and Matt only 13 seconds behind, and they smelled it. And Tristan knew it's maybe his only chance to have a win, and he got he really dig deep. And uh, I watched the stage, and uh I was suffering for this guy as well. And uh yeah, what a pity for the Italians. They made everything right the whole week, and uh sometimes it's it doesn't play your cards, but what a success for the South African guys! Unbelievable, very proud. Kenyon had a bad start and uh had their third stage win. Congratulations, and uh yeah, nice to see everything came in place, and what a wipe, spectators, people out there. I'm missing it.
SPEAKER_06So that's it for the 2026 Absolut Cap Epic Max Clown. It's been an absolute privilege having you with me uh throughout this week. It's been great. We've had some wonderful guests, we've had some wonderful entertainment for us as journalists, where the weather has been just about perfect, and we can't really expect to be better than this. I want to ask you a final question. What was your highlight this week? Your can you name one?
SPEAKER_02I think uh I think definitely Tristan and Matt. I mean, it just I think it's the emotion, you know. Uh you could see that that Tristan was he just couldn't hold back the tears, you know. And and when something means so much to somebody, you know, you've got something special. Um, but for me as well, just the fighting uh of of every single amateur, every single person that earned their medal here in 2026 can go home proud. People are going to talk about that year of the Absicab Epic 2026 for a very long time.
SPEAKER_06And I think that's really the sentiment. We talked a lot about the pros this week, but let's not forget, as we're sitting here, there are still people finishing the final stage, and they will go on for the next couple of hours. And they these are people with normal jobs, normal life, family and friends and all sorts of things, and they're finishing a race that is really tough. I think to finish one stage of the Absecape Epic is is good going. It's it's a tough task for the average person to finish eight days of this. Shout out to everybody who did it, so well done.
SPEAKER_02And we're gonna see a lot of that, Mike, in the um Race the World season two. I think uh if you guys are mountain bike fans or you've become glued to the TV over the last couple of days, don't forget to catch Race the World season two. It is out now and it certainly is gonna be exciting. And remember, next up in the Epic Series, we go to the Croatia Four Islands at the beginning of April.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, thanks very much, Max. And if you enjoyed our podcast this week, don't forget to leave a comment to follow the Epic series uh on YouTube and on the podcast channels and let us know what you think. Um and hopefully we'll be back sometime this year and uh hopefully next year as well.
SPEAKER_02For now, it's good. Entries are open. Entrees are open from tomorrow.
SPEAKER_06That's quite from tomorrow, Monday, uh, four o'clock for the um for the uh Epic Cape Epic members division. So you can actually become a member of the Cape Epic literally by putting in your email address and becoming a member. It means you get the dibs on four o'clock, and then at five o'clock, it's the rest of the people that can then enter as well. So if you're interested in doing 2027, being part of this amazing vibe, that's the time to enter to get that early bird entry. So from us for now, it's goodbye.