Epic Series MTB Podcast
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Epic Series MTB Podcast
🇪🇸: UNFILTERED with Ibon Zugasti and Pau Zamora | Episode 10
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Desde “Susana”, el barco de Ibon Zugasti, junto a Pau Zamora, repasamos los mejores momentos de las etapas 3 y 4 de 4Islands Epic. Día de crono en la isla de Unije donde Ibon no se tiró al agua después de subir al podio porque dice que es un gato.
Entre mar, risas y alguna que otra exageración, llegan a una conclusión clara:
es la carrera más bonita… y en la que mejor se lo han pasado en su vida. Lo dice el, no nosotros, esto es sin filtro.
Cero icebergs, mucho flow. Somos Titanic
Well that at the time not has been that has been time. What has been?
SPEAKER_04It was difficult because it was exigent, very explosive, much curve complicated on it to pillow, you have gone with caída, pinchazos.
SPEAKER_03It was much of pilotage.
SPEAKER_04I pinched bastard.
SPEAKER_05You in this island desde lo ido six months since I have wifi. Es que te lo iba a preguntar. Te lo iba a preguntar. Let's have 30 years competiendo. Hoy he visto una cosa in carrera that I've been in my life.
SPEAKER_04Yo vengo de familia de cantores, ¿lo sabías o no? No. Yo pensaba que venías de familia ya de ciclistas.
SPEAKER_05Da un abrazo, tío. Da un abrazo, coño. Que no todos los días se cumple 49.
SPEAKER_0449, que encima los corredores han hecho la coña, los cabrones. Cumpleaños Felipe.
SPEAKER_02Cumpleaños Felipe. Cumpleaños, mi pau. Cumpleaños Felipe.
SPEAKER_04Félix cumpleaños, pensaba que la ibas a hacer en Euskara, tío.
SPEAKER_02Sorionagsuri.
SPEAKER_04Sorionaksuri. Pues tío, los corredores me han hecho la coña, la han colgado en redes y han puesto como que hacía 50. Entonces mucha gente me dice, tío, pa' felicidades, 50. Yo, no, 49, 49, 49 todo el rato.
SPEAKER_05But un año más con un rival menos, tío. Me encanta que no son 50. ¿Me lo contaste difficile o no, tu?
SPEAKER_04No, yo creo que no, tío. ¿Por qué? Porque estamos atrás y además my pareja normal is one año more than yours, so it's today. My hermano.
SPEAKER_05Ah sí, no lo sabía esto yo.
SPEAKER_04Entonces.
SPEAKER_05Piensa que have an um flipas. Me he comido cuatro platos ofreces of these. Pasta three plates. When a cigar has hambreaked is a motoraco, but ah, at the point. No matter what. I've seen it, recognition.
SPEAKER_04But I've been at the principal. I've heard that kilometer one that is. But this is the carried for island. Well, luchando, the second in your category, in line of meta.
SPEAKER_05One is a hater, and like a hater sort of pens.
SPEAKER_04No, I think, but I've heard that already in plan.
SPEAKER_05When a person knows the idioma, we need to stick with the sordos for. So I explained my point of view of what our rivals. The thing is the sigution. Not in categories Grandmaster we have 30 seconds. So the equipe three and the equipe two have nivel. Because when we salvia, we can pill unas colas terrible and if there's a sendero and if you make a party lent, pierdes 20 seconds, we are done? So the tactic is to get the possible delight for the electron, and if you have cola, control the track. And what have you? What have you got? What do you think? There was a moment that we have the third and two seconds away. So the double, it's not the same. And we colocked here that we have recorded a few minutes and one minute and with the child who started, so not pause, that no, and he said, Capo, we are making a quarter for the time, 10 minutes for the time. I demonstrate that I'm more rapid than you. If I demonstrate more than you, what does the position? No, you have to understand it's impossible to enter. Because if you go second and the leader, you respect the position and I put a rule. I'm pestos. Because it's more for me because I live. What has happened? I'm not going to do it.
SPEAKER_04Ah, you have to do it.
SPEAKER_05No, no, no, no, don't worry. In carrier, I'm here, but I don't have any. I don't have a car of this.
SPEAKER_04No, no, I've been talking in meta.
SPEAKER_05I'm here in plan telling, it's the lock, what does this complicated mean when it's a crono? It has and we got all the time, and when I got a meta, he said, Put my disculpas for what I've done, and I said, There's no problem. But I don't understand my attitude. And I said, Yeah, but I think I'm the nervous carrier, I think, but I don't understand. Is there a discussion? No. It's a point of view. And he has been disculpas and I said that at the time not only I got time, but what has been? If you have respect my rule and you have this rule, you go with me and makes more time at the tercerous, no? And I said, there's a reason. For example, in carreter, these norms not screened, are much more clear. If there's a file with a leader, an equipment traveling, there's a pesting manillar in the incording, it's not like normal no screen, no? Or the others who are leaders, the tercer will be manich, and it's a belief. There's much more double. The double carriles of guarreo maximum. Parece that instead of fila are in parallel. And there's a belief for a teacher who is rapid, that are the norms for those. But there are gente that nervous, I don't know, I think you, I don't know. And so you have attention to that, eh?
SPEAKER_04No, but now I'm going to the second part. Ah, yeah, because I've done a company and his companion, the conversation with his company has been much more related. So I said of the two of the parents there's one who is the chungo, and the other is much more faster. And after I was and I was and it was the conversation was tension and I said there has been a riff and rough in carrier, I'm explaining, and the other companies were very good. Has been the sequence or no?
SPEAKER_05The other company has been and said Capo in our pies, have been very, and I picked my company. This has been in the top of the day, which is the crono, I encourage the island is super big, but particularly for me false dure. It was like much passing, what we have passed. 60?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And 20 kilometers passed and gentle who does another man, so not like the Uzi that are in fila.
SPEAKER_04No, it's already a minute and a half into the Uzi, and they're not going to be able to do it.
SPEAKER_05But the UC, you put an Uzi, an equipped Uzi, and fila one and those are. And there are moments that we have pillows pelotones of three parejas, each one for a low, and they don't have to pass.
SPEAKER_04What has been 55?
SPEAKER_05No, we're good and I personally super. What is the tapa yeah?
SPEAKER_04No, because you think Pau si it was the tape of that.
SPEAKER_05But yeah, the yeah. No, no, no, I'm going to say the tapa a year. Antes, the tap of hour, I'm content because I've accepted it. But when we have Iñaki Dorrea and he said, I acabo de la crono, and my favorite are Speed Company. And I said, Seguro, I think for the Cono, creo que sí, and for the point we train, and I have Speed Company, segundo.
SPEAKER_04A ver, the air a load, que no te acuerdas, pero seguramente. Un detalle, un detalle, porque al final hablamos de Fort Island. A lo mejor sí porque tú eres perro viejo, pero has salido a salir desde un ferry, desde la puerta de un ferry o no?
SPEAKER_05Aparte, me encanta el tema. Balon parado de un barco, nadie ha calentado, igual 25%.
SPEAKER_04Because a year salad, two years, and there was one island that sales paradox, but it was llano, and it was different, but it's here. Here's the because I did the wall on the coach for the other line. But it's a baladison.
SPEAKER_05There's a descansito, but it's like 25%, an angle, a balance. And they don't have to sit in the bar to calent.
SPEAKER_04No, yeah, yeah. The boat is enough because I said, I don't know, you can't get it.
SPEAKER_05I was in the way of the two, which I'm going to connect a little bit, the thing of the garrafa, the king's eyes, problems with the bag, etc. I think it's a ray dental ferry, but I done a ray that flips. But here was an eight. What happens? What is it?
SPEAKER_04No, no, it's not Orbea. And we got the order.
SPEAKER_05Here we go with the etapa three or the two.
SPEAKER_04No, we have the three abandoned, but then the tapa reina. No, but three and three, no, because I'm passing three years. No, no, no. Two mandas, es tu cumpleaños, too. Yo te he preguntado la cuatro y me has dicho, I gotta do, but has faltado dureza because there have been much doublets in the 4. Entonces, they are a minute and yeah, yeah. Two of doublets ya don't know, right? And they're, and for example, Vot has the organization and they're much because it was durable, but it was difficult because it was exigented, very explosive, much curve complicated, era to pilot, he has been getting caídos, pinchazos. I pinched bastard. I'll have a question what vivid in this island all the air?
SPEAKER_05You know that no living. No, I lived. I've been watching Google Maps and there were six houses, here they are 32 people.
SPEAKER_04I've been, no, you don't have to, but at the end of the car, there was an island. There are two locals, I went to work with them, two abilities. I wonder what they have here. I said during the year 40 and in the verano 200. And then I said to Celia, Celia, I think this is where there are gentlemen, because it's the island that is more occidental of all the archipielages, at the time it was like a point strategic. And so he pregnant much, you can see one semana or not?
SPEAKER_05You're sure. Punto one. A balance, 32 people in 40, okay, not much. And in this island, six months since I have wifi. Te lo iba a preguntar.
SPEAKER_04The first is if there's wifi. No, if there's wifi, because what antenna there are great.
SPEAKER_05If there's wifi, I'm here eight years with the morena. After you're rating. You're on a book, with a book of 23 km like the house.
SPEAKER_04No, there are more large. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05There are guys, there are canics.
SPEAKER_04There's trialer.
SPEAKER_05There's flow. Paisagism. There's one for torque. And we have an aeroport. No, but it's in the map where we are and airport.
SPEAKER_04No, you can go right at all the island. Helicopter is the helicopter. No, no, no. It's here and there's a recta of yer, and they're like this is the river. And we have to file the ultimate kilometer, this has bordered in the airport, but still there's a casket.
SPEAKER_05And what costs a case in this island? No, I think it's a good thing. You think the metro quadrant. Siempre. Mm-hmm. You destacaria one of those. No sé si la sabes. Llevo 30 años competiendo. Hoy he visto una cosa in carrera that I was in my life. No sé si tú lo has visto. Yo nunca in my life he flipado.
SPEAKER_04Dime.
SPEAKER_05Yo cuando he salido he dicho, ¿dónde he calentado aquí? Todo cintas, what have you aquí? No hay salida. The organization has prepared a circuit for calentar, marked. It's not this way but not. Catelina blanket flecha roja warning circuit. Spectacular. Ernesto have three walls and they were locos. But they were super and people, but chulas, eh?
SPEAKER_04And they were like parties of the record. This repeat of 300.
SPEAKER_05But the organization has a circuit alternative for calent is spectacular, or not?
SPEAKER_04Claro, because a lot of people don't have rodents, very people have been got rodents.
SPEAKER_05And there are others who don't want the rodillo.
SPEAKER_04No, but at the moment we have the way that at the time they had to go to the rodents. We have 20 minutes and what happened. They have two have that in the road that were months here, there had been a course and we have to go and get the rubber and get other rubber, Formula 1, get one. And we said, with this, I think, see what I'm going to do, but if there's a new passage. Montag and less. And we cambiated the rueda. It has a pedrada spectacular, no, no? Well, if you can get a 100% with 99,9%, ¿sabes?
SPEAKER_05I'm the etapa me has been the experience of via. Because it's feudalism. We're doing this a couple of comer and dormation. No, y yo ni estoy. Somos three becarios, Claudia. No, y yo ni estoy. A ver, mira, Pichotazo empezó conmigo. Claudia también. De carambola empezó. Pero tú que vas de guays ahora o qué? ¿Cómo que? Sí, pero conmigo también. Aquí conmigo, ¿no? Antes que con Pau, ¿empezaste conmigo o no? ¿O me lo invento esto? Sí, en la rubia.
unknownEn el aeropuerto.
SPEAKER_05Mi es Valderroe, ¿no? ¿O no? Ten cuidado con ella porque es muy interesada, lo estoy viendo, ¿eh?
SPEAKER_04Vale.
unknownCoño. Es que.
SPEAKER_04Pero a mí me hace gracia porque...
SPEAKER_05Y parece que todos, parece que tú has sido tus súbditos. No, todos me han robado, no sé qué. Pichotazo, ¿verdadero o falso lo que digo? Claudia, ¿verdadero o falso? Pero claro, me lo han robado que quiere decir.
SPEAKER_04Que el Pichote hizo contigo diez días en la Key Pepic y ya parece que fuese tu asalariado diez años. Es que claro.
SPEAKER_05Y la Claudia, para la gente que no lo conozca. Soy asalariado, pero soy el Barcelona Etic. Eres un visionario. Soy el Barça B, tío.
SPEAKER_04Te los lanzo, tío. Bueno, a ver, seguir, el barco. Y aparte voy a aclarar una cosa. Dices, estamos aquí y dices, feudalismo, es que nos estamos aquí sin cobrar solo por el barco y la comida. Yo es que ya lo tenía todo pagado con el equipo.
SPEAKER_05Yo encima peor. No, yo no he dicho sin cobrar, eh. Yo he dicho que estamos aquí a cambio de comer y de dormir. Sin cobrar lo has dicho tú. Vale, vale.
SPEAKER_04Escucha.
SPEAKER_05Y de correr la puntadora, la que faltaba.
SPEAKER_00Fíjate.
SPEAKER_04Entonces, has acertado con los pros has acertado hoy, eh.
SPEAKER_05Sí, and the speed company are good. De hecho, I think, I have the chuleta because I've got you, the carrier, it is very less, many times, and we have pinceladas. I think when I hear the record, I think circuit speed company. Pure potential. These are the remarks of putting it. There are zone of remarks, there are technical comics, they don't have to pinch, your equippers will. And there's the explosivity and a circuit that had ramps, what? What are we taking?
SPEAKER_04No, three seconds. Some in that point there were six points of control, three have empowered that have been very rapid, we have 25, 20, 15, 10 and 5.
SPEAKER_05So the three are very good because in the part of the final there were a car. The ultimate 4 kilometers approximately were yet velcro, but this enganched and flipped. And I think the things are. I think we have to go. And you know that there is a corner that is very rapid, it will go larger.
SPEAKER_04George Egg at the time was a little bit, and I think that he had a parcel because it has a rock and reventing it and have a hot and next we have that in a room they have two or three seconds.
SPEAKER_05No, 90 grades.
SPEAKER_04No, but at the third equipe there have been more than a minute. So these three seconds and the third of one minute. And the third? They have two kilometer 20, 5, the crush were three and three seconds.
SPEAKER_05¿Sabes por qué han tirado el ancla, no? Pues se va a bañar la gente, yo soy gazo. No, yo tampoco. Yo ni swimming ni leche, yo soy gazo. Y ¿sabéis cómo está la general ahora? Vosotros primero que debes llevar una buena ventaja y después están los speed y hay un tercer equipo que son los singles that están atrás 20 secondes. Mesmo. Vale, yo sabía que están muy cerca porque me ha dicho George that they have to peg the podium.
SPEAKER_04And the climatizer empezaron the tape of seconds, yeah. And we have a very good crono and now are two. But I think there are guerrilla today. Maybe in an hour of one hour and a half is difficult to pay three minutes and not at the final.
SPEAKER_05But what do you want to do but not? No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_04And three minutes is much. But it's a carrier because they are going to have two equippers, two places, and there's much time.
SPEAKER_05But I think it's Speed Company, conventional philosophy and the manner of correct that they have, get seconds or tercero is equal. They can get the episode.
SPEAKER_04But it's what we decided the first year, that it's a gentleman who's not and commented the attack here, but the attack that we hold was brutal.
SPEAKER_05Hablamos de las chicas de hoy, and then we're the chicas of hoy.
SPEAKER_04The chicken of hoy have been de raskies because we have to derpando and second has been KTM and third have the Australian Map, which I think they have any podium today. But I don't know what they have because I'm not going to call it, I've seen that subject already. And at the general, torpado, that's your team. And the second, no looks. Yeah, and pocas super. I'm going to go back to the barco, preparing the things, manages the meeting, prepared logistics for mañana, that's the double difficult. What is the double difficult mañana? Because we're going to have the episode and we have to work. No, I'm the vuelo mañana de la noche.
SPEAKER_05But take cuid with the gemelo, eh? If vuelas el mismo día problemas, eh.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but no mismo un vuelo de 10 horas que one of one hour and a year.
SPEAKER_05No te confíes, capo. A mí me ha dicho el amigo que los vuelos hay que caminar.
SPEAKER_04Sí, pero no es lo mismo que un vuelo de 10 horas después de ocho días de matraca que uno de una hora y media, que yo aquí no he estado haciendo casi nada.
SPEAKER_01Ay, amado.
SPEAKER_05Me ha encantado la etapa de hoy. Aparte, me ha encantado la hora, tío. Yo sabes como he despertado con el barco. You pushed the alarma a las 9 and 50. Y a las 8 y 10. And he digo el barco. And he cerrado los cinco minutos andayun. He cerrado los ojos one minute and when I level the house, two and eight. I qued like you see this. And he seen the lujo and the carriage. Spectacular. This is the bar.
SPEAKER_04We have much. Now we have left at the six, we have to stay in the ferry at the nine, and we have the one and two hours. Because you have the meeting, we have the ultimate three hours and a half. Correct the middle, what does it say? The carried from the ultimate 4 hours, you have empezado when they live two hours. Yeah, it's salvation of the parted. No, has correct the mitad.
SPEAKER_05Que aquí no se hace eso.
SPEAKER_04No, claro, tío, es que aquí las etapas no son tan largas.
SPEAKER_05Aquí Alessandra Keller no pide paso, porque hace menos kilómetros que yo, ¿no? No. Y. Joder, qué rabia me dio eso, eh.
SPEAKER_04Bueno, eso es lo que harán de solucionarlo el año que viene.
SPEAKER_05Yo no entendía nada, ¿sabes? Yo estoy ahí y me pido paso a una chica y la primera vez en mi vida. Digo, ¿qué pasa aquí? Digo, coño, que llevan 50 kilómetros menos. Menos mal. Bajo un azo guapo, ¿sabes? Me llevo muy bien contigo, tío. Aparte, aprendo. Mucho, de verdad, mucho. And this is aparte of these conversations, we have at the time others, private. And me gusta mucho llamar and append with you.
SPEAKER_04Mira, what I did, I commentared one and one improvisada that is one that I did that means much illusion, and I said, Ah, if you're on the podcast, it's nothing. I enjoyed a message on the Ruber, who lives at Ultrasports, which is Raku is a radio referent in Catalan, it's a program that we have in the morning of deportes at the end. And I did Pau, the hot podcast of Montama. I said, Hostia, if a thousand of the radio is good, this is one. And then I sent you a bomb, because I made a message.
SPEAKER_05But I did others, but I did Felicidad Zugastic, my partner.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no, no, no. That's what I mean. No, no, me has a big. I said Donald Records, Ali Bonnie, Felicital. Felicital, Felicity, Felicity Tugasti. But I said, I mean, I mean, I don't mean that. But if I have Google. Seguro que has been a collaboration I've created hoy, Paco Guerrilla, for felicitated me. He said much for feliciting me. Guerrilla, one of the corredors pioneers in the Bike Marathon of Italy, who is the prime who've been in the podium in KPEP and 5 years and for those who don't know, there was an accident very grave in Bici, an excavadora, and 4 minutes and the hospital.
SPEAKER_05I when I did not say, I said, you know what I'm saying with Guerrilla in a carrier?
SPEAKER_04No, no, I'm with Scott, but no. No teacher.
SPEAKER_05You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04No. It's not much of this.
SPEAKER_05Israel Epic is a very Uzi, which is in Israel, I don't know if it's three years. And I was with Guerrilla, he was a correct Scott, professional, and I was a periodist of Solovici. So we had a combination between Guerrilla and you periodist, we had an equipped Scott Solovici. I mean, I have the two with the main bici. No, it was the double rigid. And Zugasti Visionary what bicicled? I'm the double. Because Guerrilla was very rigid. And Zugasti Dinosaurious, Cromayo, Zubastic, the double. Of the first doubles, young 2013 or something. Definitely one year, just the first year when Zubastic was carried out and volunteered a biker. Fucking Israel Epic and three hours in the general. And what was it? This is good. Carrera Uzi, eh? When we were from Solo Bici, we were from Prensa, no registration. Vamos the next year, no, no, we went to the two of the week, the six of the week, during the three hours flipping. And when we did the ultimate hour, sales, the I am a classification of the time, but the classification is that we are classificated. You are classificated, we're gonna get on the commissary Uzi and no no, that you eres UFI, that you eres open or prensa. I'm gonna go on the general. That habitamos en almacer. Creo que el arbitro era croata. Creo que l'arbitro era croata and le dije, mira bicharraco somos Uzi, hemos ganado la carrera anda te regalo dos Mayots y dos culotes, but the category, but rapid.
SPEAKER_04Y al final lo hicieron.
SPEAKER_05Le di la ropa and me lo cambió. And at the day siguiente salimos like Uzi ya andamos las three taps in the general. Okay, Zubastic three victories professional, no? Well, if it's Uzi. No, no, no. If you say it was Uzi, era UC or me looks inventory.
SPEAKER_04No, it was Uzi and I explain what I'm saying, because after two years when I was the percentage of Israel and normal. And Lucas and George had to go two or three years and I explained, and after a while, I'm not going to equal. I think we inverted much and if it was host category, it was host category because they had much pasta because they were equipped with. No, I enviate a WhatsApp for felicitary for my cumpleaños.
SPEAKER_05Ah, yo pensaba que era por el.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no, el guerrilla se los has visto todos and. El guerrilla lo sabes.
SPEAKER_05No, no, no lo sabía, no sabía que era de redes.
SPEAKER_04Yo pensaba que era un poco de la cara. Si estás todo el día inicial, ¿no? ¿Qué vas a hacer? Te lo miras todo y tal, y. Fuerte abrazo, guerrilla. Me dijo que cuando volviese a Croacia, a lo mejor ya está in casa because we have elta Italia. When we volvamos ya está in casa anda vuelta, si estaba bien, lo íbamos a celebrar comiendo una paella. Así que Guerrilla, the semana que viene si estás in casa, una paella.
SPEAKER_05Muchas gracias, Guerrilla, un abrazo forte. I hablé con Orbea para llevar a Guerrilla a Orbea. Postular por Guerrilla, but al final era muy Scott.
SPEAKER_04Siempre has been muy Scott.
SPEAKER_05Guerrilla era muy scott, pero yo intenté que Guerrilla fuera Orbea. Guerrilla equipazo, era joven, entonces yo andaba mucho. Era rodador, tío.
SPEAKER_04Coca-Cola.
SPEAKER_05Coca-Cola. ¿Qué te has sacado aquí ahora?
SPEAKER_04Coca-Cola. Pero el Solifan a tu toma es una pachangada. ¿Y eso?
SPEAKER_05Somos Salomon, tío.
SPEAKER_04Esto te digo una cosa. Estoy seguro que los de mi equipo no me beberían de aquí. ¿Tú sabes dónde estoy bebiendo el agua?
SPEAKER_05Si ya me la dijiste, es que pone lo potable y te lo voy a decir. Me da igual. Bañar no me baño, pero... Muy bien, ¿no? Ahora, ahora voy a ver, ahora voy a ver. No, es que le volví a preguntar a Libon. Bueno, no. Esto parece... Aquellos árabes como él. Una silcha de esas, ¿no? Parece o no. Y tantas pajitas para qué. No somos ecológicos, tío. A ti te ha quitado por el rosa, tío. ¿Somos sin rosa o no? Somos tendencia. ¿Somos tendencia o no? Estoy muy contento, Pau. Es la carrera más bonita y que mejor me estoy pasando de mi vida. ¿Qué dices? Te lo prometo. Esto no me lo creo. Bueno, pues ya está. Pues si no te lo crees, bueno que lo quiero.
SPEAKER_04Es que tú, tío, llevas muchas.
SPEAKER_05Pues mira, es la más bonita.
SPEAKER_04Ahora me acuerdo, me ha venido un flash, tío, ahora. Porque he intentado recordarla si habíamos coincidido. Me ha venido el flash de la Transpiration.
SPEAKER_05Nicolas.
SPEAKER_04Sí, no te gustó la Transpiration.
SPEAKER_05No, la Transpir me encanta. Pero la Transpir tiene un punto de excursionista that no me gusta.
SPEAKER_04De excursionista?
SPEAKER_05Sí, it's como que el que va rapid is mal visto. No valora el que va a rapid.
SPEAKER_04I mean me deja de volver cada año.
SPEAKER_05But you gana y es como categoría, that's why. Ganas and you eres an excursionista. Me entiendes or no? Y aquí no. Aquí the excursionista, el tourista is cuidado and the pro como boot is valored. And the transpir is a pun competitive. Yeah, well, but it's one perfil de carrera. Bueno, pues coño, pues el recorrido me gusta, but this perfil no me gusta. Mucho más, mucho más. Muchísimo más. Y luego he venido sin presión. And the cape al final vale that somebody, but corresponding. And the cape or something, there are large, there are time libre, the motor home estressa much of the barco. It's a regalo of the life. When I go to the cave, I think that I started a month in the package. I say, I'm going to value it.
SPEAKER_04I think the idea is that it's more different. Then you are in a point that's what I've done, it's my moment of the time, because for example, the meaners are, but logistically is above the tap, and they are discounting. And for example, moving away, they are not, but I think that an 80% of the perfect cyclist will be much. It's very inspirational to Fall Island, right? Andorra is spectacular, no? It's another perfect, because it's a carrier more durable, more technical, you know? It's dura, but it's more asequible, no? You don't encounter, no?
SPEAKER_05Andorra is very different. Andorra, the altitude is duro, for example. At 2500 meters, the pared are aquellos.
SPEAKER_04And this, for example, is a little epic ya tienes to have a nice. Ah, but it's much desnivel, dura.
SPEAKER_05But for example, I'm going to say the etapa.
SPEAKER_04Rica, rica, pero no como three platos, there was options different. You have the three. Have ñocis. No, yo he visto yo. ¿Has visto hoy? Sí.
SPEAKER_05Separando las espinas.
SPEAKER_04Espinete guapo, ¿sabes? No, no, there was like unas salchichas, but that's very typical in this zone of final Europe, principal de Asia, con pan de pita and salsa roja very, and después had this, que no sé cómo se llama este pescado en castellano. En catalán se llama barat. And seafood, no? And then.
SPEAKER_05Seafood, I can't live seafood too. Al molusco este.
SPEAKER_04Sí, moluscos.
SPEAKER_05Este se llama seafood. Sí, tío. A los mejillones.
SPEAKER_04No, porque me salen in English, but see, mejillones.
SPEAKER_05Mejillones, no? Seafood.
SPEAKER_04There's a ton of. Oh, antes había. Ahora ya no sé si. Coño, un buque de guerra, lo bueno.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_04No, this is nuestro barco, el mío. Sí, sí, sí. Y encima tengo un barrón porque ahora lo he visto. I mean he lleva la mochila, anda mi mochila, los corredores para la vuelta. O sea, me van a matar. No tiene delante, no tiene side. Sí, porque pues entra por delante y por detrás. Un barco simétrico, eso es lo que lo veo. Con el camión de los bomberos del Triel de Monplan. Son simétricos. Por si cancelar el camión anda por el mismo lado. Entonces es simétrico. Qué feo, lo que un barco simétrico, loco.
SPEAKER_05Efect.
SPEAKER_04It's that information del tema del diseño, tío, which is very heavy. Because the gente que no te conoces mucho no sabes que tú eres, no?
SPEAKER_05No lo sé, Claudio no lo sabía. Menos es más. Ornamentos al palco, tío. Perpendicular and parallelo, tío.
SPEAKER_04Ivonne una pregunta. Dime.
SPEAKER_05Ahora que he hecho 49. ¿Qué edad is 49? Me gusta.
SPEAKER_04It's more in impasse, no?
SPEAKER_05No, no, no. No, 49 morales.
SPEAKER_04Cuidado que te están manchando.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, what happened?
SPEAKER_04If I have a carrier, I saw the license. O sea, with 50 years I can take the license of master, no? It's like a camp. I'm grandeuring, Peter Pan and Elite, no? And we have to assume what we are.
SPEAKER_05It's a very good point. I was elite in the 49th.
SPEAKER_04I was at the 49. But in Master 40 in the game, no?
unknownNo. No?
SPEAKER_05Here we were seconds and I was obligated by my company because I didn't go in master now, and I obligated to go in master, but I was not going to do it, right? Olvídate of this lunar. You have been elite after the 50 years. Correct, obligated. And I have seconds and me encanta. Be an elite or category. And then when it has a certain name, it's the illusion. What do you think?
SPEAKER_04But for example, the UCI or no, with the camp that the people with 30 people or 40 and is more high and there's a bunch of people, don't you have a reply of how the categories are, or no?
SPEAKER_05This is another podcast because the people think that they gotta see what we have. And I have the ideas super clear about this. radical.
SPEAKER_04No, porque a mí por ejemplo me gusta hablar de etapa tres. Etapa tres, porque ahí se dice. Claro, tú lo tienes muy fácil, porque perdona, tienes 53, ¿no? Lo puedo decir en cámara, ¿no?
SPEAKER_05Tengo 53, este año 54. Año 54. Claro, es que ahora tío, ya. Si yo me veo viejo ya. Te he dicho que. 49 mola. 49 mola mucho.
SPEAKER_04Pues la etapa 3, Ivonne. ¿Te acuerdas que decimos que queréis...
SPEAKER_05Comentario aquí abajo si queréis. Perdón. Que luego dice la morena que te interrumpo. Y me dice la morena que hablo muy fuerte y tú muy bajo. No, pero he subido. Le digo a la morena. Y le digo a Pau that habla para afuera.
SPEAKER_00Hablo para adentro.
SPEAKER_05Habla para afuera. Hablo para afuera. Entonces, disculpa. Comentario aquí abajo if we want a tema con Pau, hablando de categories. What is it, what is bad, what solution is, why is it? It's a tema. Vale, well, we will see this because I think there's a deport that looks.
SPEAKER_04I mean the form that they have to do. Vale, no lo digas, ¿cuál es? No, I decía the tapa three, I thought the two writers that the two era was the reina, and commented and said, I think that the tap three, aunque no, is the reina. And really, always in pros, there were differences of the host. It's like the general and beneficial and others who were very perjudicated.
SPEAKER_05Two is much more durable than the two. I've done Claudia, Claudia is the becaria of Epic Series, the house. They're to roll, actually.
SPEAKER_04But what has he said? You have both. What does the part of Buff BH? I have a cycloturist with two amongst my 4 Sims, which the año, the 27th, I have the decimal edition.
SPEAKER_05I don't have any idea.
SPEAKER_04And then I live all the time of corredores that. No, it's a cycloturista, 160 kilometers on 4.000, you are proprietary of this carrier?
SPEAKER_05Ah, no lo sabía, no lo sabía. Aparte de llevar anip, organizar carreras.
SPEAKER_04Intento getar me, get a little bit and get me with the carrier. And if there are things that I'm gonna intent on, and I'm much in bici, intent that what I'm gonna do to me in the carreter dental of the possible. But it has an explicit Yvonne and you had a carretera I'm tired. No, I have much carretera, but it's not a verse one with the other. I veraneous in Vagar and Vagar esta ciclo tourists, and I hear the ayunt for recuperar because I had like a cyclist and era an event, and recuperated.
SPEAKER_05Ratoncito también tiene carreras?
SPEAKER_04No, lo hacía conmigo. La hacía con la participada, trabajábamos juntos antes de que estuviese aquí en Iron Man.
SPEAKER_03No sabía yo eso.
SPEAKER_05Sí, sí, sí. Entonces cuál es la pregunta, ¿dónde?
SPEAKER_04No, que tú me has dicho, si Claudia se venía a trabajar al VH, te he dicho, no te dio. Yo no he dicho al VH, yo te he dicho... Vale, pero es que la ha fichado. ¿A qué venía?
SPEAKER_05Ah, vale, no. Que yo la he fichado. Estábamos hablando de la etapa reina. Sí. Claudia le dije, la etapa reina es la 3. Porque he hablado con Pau. Misma distancia. Parecido es nivel, pero es la reina. Y ella me decía, no, no, la reina ha sido hoy. Yo que no. Yo te he defendido. Y te tengo que dar razón. Pues al revés, no. No, una mierda. Que no. No, no, no. Tú dijiste que la reina fue la 2 y está grabado. No la afiches que aparte hay mente.
SPEAKER_04Vale.
SPEAKER_05Miente.
SPEAKER_04Puede ser de todos. Pero mentirosa no, tío, no mola. Pero me voy a brigar. Es que claro.
SPEAKER_05La gente comentaba que era la reina. ¿La 2 o la 3?
SPEAKER_04La 2.
SPEAKER_05Claro, y es la 3.
SPEAKER_04Pero no era hoy la reina y que no es mañana.
SPEAKER_05Que no. Yo dije que era la 3 la reina. Y me lo dijo Pau. Pau me lo dije, que la reina es la 3. Y le voy a la razón a Pau. La reina fue la 3. A mí se me hizo más una la 3. La 2 fue como... Cambios de ritmo, divertida. Arranca para. La tres fue mucho más física. En la isla de Cres. Fue mucho más física. Cres fue mucho más physical.
SPEAKER_04And in the pros were very exigente because at the difference of the two that were much to control, it escaped the Speed Company at detrás no quería tirar. In the top three, the Speed Company went that if they were at the attack or stay in the podium. Sent at the attack, and they did the meaning that were two hours infernales. And at the final selection, and after two hours the two. In the 69, there were asfalto, 2 km of S. Martin and Boy, and at the time and a minute and I think we sent a little bit the general.
SPEAKER_05They held it. We were at a room control and two parents at Open who are more than our name, they were and Ernesto is very, and I was like, and I said Ernesto, get tranquillos that are my room. And I said, Okay, I did a little bit. So I'm monotony. It was monotonous. But it's that the part of the final where Boot and Martin attacked, I said Ernesto, sure, and we have a little bit more control, because this at the final. But not so.
SPEAKER_04But there are articles, okay. There was much.
SPEAKER_05But we've been a island very low, more, right? But the Cres was brutal, eh? No, no, I mean Cresce, but I'm going to have the two, but for me, the three were more exigent. But there have been episodes very different. But what happens? Well, result. Got the equipped Power, remain Speed Company, and three.
SPEAKER_04It's good, the year. The Singer were on the Speed Company. The cadena, the cadena, the cadena, and the golf and bucko of 20 kilometers, and the golf had been the Singer, and I said, Well, it has pinched and I got the passes, the power of control, and I said, No, I've had 4 km. And the meta, we have the cadena, but it has been, it has the prisoners, they have the cadena, they had the typical 8 that has the cadena, and they have to monitor and get the 8. So they had already quinta, seconds and the ultimate third.
SPEAKER_05This explains me encouraging because the maratonians are authentic. It's the autosufficiency, nothing for the carreter, pam, levanta the money. And here no, it is supervivency total, autosufficient, and I can't.
SPEAKER_03It is brutal.
SPEAKER_04And then in the cape here, the curve, they passed, but the core, he was also in three cities. I have three incidents bastards. At the end of George Seger, who was rascal, the mayor who has a clavicular and the cash rotated. Then in a curve has apparently the ISB on Martí Aran and his companion, what pinched, what? And he said the one, you know, and he said the one, I think not. And I felt and the neumatic notes in llanta, but Marty. But it's like we got three kilometers, what happens, goes or not? And the other you know. And they have to go because they have been in meta and the life, the Slova.
SPEAKER_05Wow, but Slovak attack one.
SPEAKER_04No, but we saw.
unknownNo, no, but he has pillowed.
SPEAKER_05No, no, no, pillar two general. But flips.
SPEAKER_04But Ivan, we're going to have an attack of the hostia to get in the podium. If you were all the time, quarter, quintessors, but very sort of the third. And the golf has been, we have been who is campaign of Slovakia with the two ruins in llanta, the two in llanta. And they don't have bombs or not, they don't reparate, and there are feed zones, and they got the two rubber in yanta. I said, One I do, but the two pilots with this. And in the moose because they were in llanta. He said an attack of 23 kilometers. You have three parents with others, I've got others. And it's talking about the Elite. I've been here because I was in kilometer six and the controls of passion. And I've been and I said, Oh Jose Díaz, it's right, I have to do it. The 16, in the kilometer 5, the 16, and in the kilometer 6, the 24, I think, wow. And then I said, I've pinched out, and I said, Yeah, we have to sit two days and in a carrier of 23 kilometers, there are 18 parejas pro and I have two with problems.
SPEAKER_05But we're doing calculations if you have the 15 in the general hour, no? But the people is very surval in this. Is it or not? It's very big, the biggest. And the people who have the time to get a meta, the other day, the second of the general in Grandmaster. O sea, they got the two, the same bici with the bici on the Italians, no? Puta class. So all the two with the same bici, the bicharraco with the man revenue, and I say, my guanes, I pinched a little bit, it's reparated. And I didn't know the guy. I got the guanes and I walked a pinch and castañazo. So reparado. Manos al palco, tio. Andas and I can get it. The marathon is the essence of the mountain bike. And the improvisation. The improvisation is brutal. The problem of learning, the track, no? I mean it's a lot of. But for example, if there's one point that me this.
SPEAKER_04It's very good, I mean I think much with the markers that are cubic, quadrants, or ruins and much feedback of the cross country, and I say, this is another department and in the cross country passing for a sender who is limping, who have this cortisol, this right three days, and then it's very difficult. But we have the cup, and I say, But the people passes that never have passed, the ruin are the same. The cross country, the maintenance of the bici, each day, each hour. If you pillow a tap of the cape of three hours with a barrage, if a bici, for example, has exposed and they do it, it would be that at the time of a cake, the bici is to get the one. It's a cross country that will happen, no? Or the barren of an orchid in a barrack with the orchillas, or what happens that you have pastillas of frenes and frenes with the metallic, and all this in the cross country notes. So I think for many markets it's a bank of it. I forgot because many markets need feedback and things. So this part of the marathon like design product, no?
SPEAKER_05For me, the biggest for Mountain Mike, in dude, is the marathon, because the usually who has a bifiel marathon, not practice cross country. None of the house and hamster. No, but there are much people who enter for cross country. There are very people who compete and have a bici. The people in bici and the people does excursions and the people, and you have the parallel cross country, what are they? No, there are. The great. Coño, so the market that's what you said. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we put in value your discipline and the meaning. The story is that the cross country. The essence of the mountain bike is the marathon. And when you and you had cross country, it were marathon. Ah, clearly, I got it.
SPEAKER_04Roland Grin te gana Monsant on two hours. Claro, and you're in España 2.40. And no one has a lot of people.
SPEAKER_05Etappas of 1.50, eh?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_05But this is Yvonne. Anyone haciendo rodillo.
SPEAKER_04But this is.
SPEAKER_05Bueno, enter.
SPEAKER_04Claro.
SPEAKER_05And then we call lacking and correct the chicken. Ah, sí, it's decided.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no. No, no, I decided, but the gentleman of the Epic Series, lack epic, are gente lista that does with the equippers, and then if you watch the equippers, I think they are not. And if it's I think it's not the of this year nor the last two years.
SPEAKER_05But Candice tiene mala hostia o me lo parece a mí.
SPEAKER_04Candice, you know what the story of Candice has explained many times?
SPEAKER_05No.
SPEAKER_04And Candice no se va a enfadar. It's Julian a lot in filtros, but can't filter. It's gesticulando.
SPEAKER_05O sea, le vamos a llevar Mr. Tijera, tío. Mr. Scissors.
SPEAKER_04Una hora, dos minutos. Venga.
SPEAKER_05Dos minutos y cortamos. Escúchame, como mañana salga yo.
SPEAKER_04Sí.
SPEAKER_05Con la badana húmeda. Porque no he puesto la lavadora. Bueno, lavadora no.
SPEAKER_04Pero si ahora con este sol que hacen una hora vas a tener. El sol baja, ¿eh? Tú sabes que el sol baja. Pero mañana se levanta. Sí, sí, pero el sol baja. La gente se muere, pero lo único que tenemos certeza es que el sol sale y se levanta cada día. Badana húmeda.
SPEAKER_05Mira, tú pones esa boot mañana. Tú le pones a boot mañana. Tú le pones a boot mañana. Badana húmedo. No va a nada general, tío. De la raya le explota la cabeza. Pero si tienes cuatro culos más, tío. No, no, tío. Hemos dicho que se corre con un culote, un cartetín y un mayor. Ah, pero siempre hay una. El mayor del líder no lo he cogido. ¿Cómo que no has cogido? No, no, no he dejado. Me lo debes, eh. No, no, no he cogido. Llevo el viejo. Yeah, pero te han dado otro, ¿no? No, no, pero no lo he cogido, se me ha olvidado. Ah, bueno. Comenta aquí abajo si queréis que lo sortee.
unknownVenga.
SPEAKER_05No, pero vas a cogerlo o no? Ivonne, te aclaro una cosa para que esté tranquila. Pero lo de la candy. No, no, otro día, mañana. ¿Mañana hay podcast o no?
SPEAKER_02Sí, sí. ¿Qué pasa?
unknownTenemos que hacer un boat tour. Ahora.
SPEAKER_05No. Yo ahora me ducho y pasar clips que ayer estuve hasta las 2 y 4 de la mañana. Pau. Sí, sí, todos son cinco minutos. Tú no hables que estás negociando con Pau y a mí no me quieres, lo veo. Así que ahora el boat tour con el bicharraco.
SPEAKER_04Rosa y amarillo, eh. Seguimos.
SPEAKER_05Rosa y amarillo. Ah, muy bien.
SPEAKER_04O Lila, ¿cómo le llamas a tu color? Violeta. Yo a esto le llamo. ¿Qué pantón es? Hostia. Burdeos. Burdeos siempre clase, el color Burdeos, eh. Dices Burdeos and yeah, it's like no. No me salt. Y este cuál es?
SPEAKER_05No, este es Magenta.
SPEAKER_04Magenta, ¿y este? Ahora no podemos cortar hasta que te salga el color. Pero como un diseñador no sabe el color del pantone de esto. Yo te voy a ir con Burdeos.
SPEAKER_05Si esto es Magenta, mira, Claudia es diseñadora como yo. ¿Esto qué es? ¿Un magenta con Fianni amarillo? ¿Qué es esto? No, un punto. Un punto de black también tiene o no. Es que yo te voy a dar en C M IK. Yo en C M IK te lo saco. Pues venga. Pero en pantone, tío, esto se llama. ¿Qué color es este? ¿Qué nombre le pondrías, tío? Yo le pondría... Purple! Yo esto le llamaría Color Semana Santa.
SPEAKER_04Semana Santa.
SPEAKER_05Color Semana Santa, no, no. Sí, no, Color Semana Santa, no, no.
SPEAKER_04Eso en el pantalón es Alex. ¿Quieres que te diga el número? No, no, no. Bueno, ya está. Pero bueno, eh, sigue, sigues líder.
SPEAKER_05Buah, estoy súper rayado. ¿Qué color es este, loco? Pero sigue el líder, es igual. Morado, es morado, no. ¿Es morado? No es morado, el morado tiene más cian. ¿No? El morado tiene más cian. Es como un magenta con negro, ¿no? Sí. ¿Es verdad o no? O sea, magenta es esto. Ivón, badana húmeda. ¿De qué color crees que es la badana de este culote? ¿Antes o después de acabar la etapa? No hay anchoilla. ¿Eh? No hay anchoilla. ¿De qué color es la badana de este culote? Por dentro. Por dentro. Gris y negra. Claro. Gris y negra. No. Roja. ¿Qué pasa? Coño, es para la badana, coño, me estoy bien. Roja. Roja. Otro día os lo enseño. Vale. Debía de ser amarilla, tío, color capote.
SPEAKER_04No, tío, eso es fatana amarilla.
SPEAKER_05Badana amarilla, tío. Capote, tío.
SPEAKER_04No, badana siempre de color oscuro.
SPEAKER_05Badana. No, no, a mí me gusta badana clara, ¿sabes por qué? Porque yo cuando llego a casa, miro la badana y hago el test del esfuerzo. Si hay anchoilla marcada, es que lo he dado todo y si no voy sobrado. Badana clara, sin anchoilla, buenas patas. Si hay anchoilla marcada, tío, como era seafood, ¿no? Anchoilla sería seafood también o no. ¿Sería seafood o no? Que de tijeras, ¿no? Cortado, cortado. Para acabar. ¿Ratoncito? ¿Sin censuras o hay algo que hemos hecho mal hoy? No, está perfecto, güey. ¿Y te ha gustado? ¿Mucho o normal? ¿El mejor? ¿Cómo se llama la sección? ¿Cómo se llama la sección? Ratón, ratón. ¿Cómo se llama la sección? ¿Sin filtros también? ¿Croacia sin filtros? Croacia sin filtros. Forarian Epic sin filtros. Con pausa amora y voy a... No, con Iván Zugasti y un invitado. No me vas a sentirme mal.
SPEAKER_04No, pero no, pero si no te tienes que sentir mal. No, yo lo que quiero saber, porque la gente te he dicho, fuera de aquí cuando hablamos por teléfono.
SPEAKER_03Estoy rayado por el color, tío.
SPEAKER_04O sea, ¿puedes confirmar aquí ahora que ahora es Suiza o no?
SPEAKER_05Esto depende de ellos.
SPEAKER_04Ah, vale.
SPEAKER_05Sigue el feudalismo o no. Suiza is caro, eh. En serio, ¿hay Suiza o no? Yo, a mí me haría ilusión ir a Suiza. Pues venga, ya está. Pero con podcast. Claro. En podcast los datos son caros de cojones o no? ¿O hay roaming de eso?
SPEAKER_04No, yo tengo tarifa plana, yo. If I fall pongo mis datos. ¿Tienes roaming o no? Depends de qué companhia pagas orpani pagas. Si no te haces uno a la fly, tío, que son 35 euros igual, tío. Para un tío que paga el page.
SPEAKER_05Issues a pase por el puerto with Ernesto a soltar pata. And he compraste un lado. No compra un lado for no, loco. No me tomo el lado for no gastar, tío. I said Ernesto, pillamos un alado, digo, no, ¿por qué? Digo, no.
SPEAKER_04Ahora sí que he visto, tío, that is catalaner. It's a Vasco no lo haría, tío. Un vasco invitaría a todo el mundo.
SPEAKER_05Sí, eso es verdad. No, pero soy generoso, eh. Soy ratón, but generoso, eh. O sea, soy rata for me. But by the rest soy generoso. But the resto I'm generoso. Muy genero. And so I'm consequented with my ratonería. There are gente rata that the approach and no, you know. You so rata, but so I'm sufficient. No pido nada a nadie. Nunca. And if I publish, do. And I do more than what you gas for me. Siempre.
SPEAKER_04But no te compraste el helado.
SPEAKER_05No.
SPEAKER_04You if you're going to go back to the case, como en mi cumpleaños, o cerveza o helado.
SPEAKER_05Odio el alcohol.
SPEAKER_04Pues un helado.
SPEAKER_05There's one mala, eh?
SPEAKER_04Yo siempre digo.
SPEAKER_05Y luego hay otra cosa. Esto no lo odio, pero no me gusta nada como toc. No me gusta el ciclista who alardea that be a cerveza. It's like the mode. So I ciclista and become cerveza. So what is it, collector? What does it mean? No, no, no. It's like the apología and the cerveza, but defends what's going on. But I think the mode of no, no, you got the epital and I do a cerveza and then flips.
SPEAKER_04I think it appears much more when we have Marquess de Riscal, una copita de vino sí que apporta como un grano oficial.
SPEAKER_05Me va a ser cuna. Antes de ser Marquez de Riscal, ¿quién fue Marqués de Riscal? Cunha, Marqués de Riscal, dime to. No, because we're in a polémicate of your eye that I'm going to tell you. No, no, this is a little bit more. The first who conocted Marquis de Riscaly Elmenda who held an equipe that was Marqués de Riscal or the Gartiga. And the hidden con Pichotazo, Guillermo, El Vinacho, Verdadero or false?
SPEAKER_04No, you don't get a.
SPEAKER_05No, no, quit no, but ruedero guap.
SPEAKER_04Me gusta Riscal antes que tú, sí o no. Sí. But we're certain as certain podcasts Ivon Visionario. Cerramos así, va, Ivonne Visionario. Who gana mañana etapa visionario? Ya estamos, etapa de mañana, tío, etapa, tío. En serio, para cerrar mañana, me dices el color del mayor. Ya está, con eso estaré content. Ya te llaman, no? Cortamos, no?
SPEAKER_05Sabes que estoy pensando, no? The recursos bonitos that está perdiendo mi comunidad porque tendría que estar grabando. Estoy aquí hablando de Marqués de Riscal, de. Me voy.
SPEAKER_04Mañana más y mejor.
SPEAKER_05Corta, corta. Está apagado. Está apagado. No hay botour, no hay botur, que no hay botur, que no, que no puede ser, que me emociono, tío. Que llevamos aquí un hora y pico. Suerte que como. Ahora dirán, es mala educación comer y hablar al mismo tiempo, coño, pero es que no me da el día. Tapo.