The Speed of Superheaven: Controlled Chaos with Drummer Zack Robbins

The gang invites their first guest to the show - drummer and percussion guru Zack Robbins - who shares his journey from childhood racing fan to musician, discusses the evolution of alt rock band Superheaven, and reflects on the challenges and triumphs of navigating the music industry with viral success. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:08

Yeah, but it's the speed of sound.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Welcome back to the speed of sound. I am your host, Allie Roder, joined here today by Motorsports Enthusiast, DJ, race car driver, Brad Perez, and just all around amazing human, badass guy, bassist for the band Cloakroom, Bobby Marcos. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

I needed that. It's like a shot of it. That was like a shot of espresso for me. Dragon.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

No, sometimes I just I shoot from the hip, you know? Whatever, whatever comes to mind.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Appreciate it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

You're so welcome. But yeah, here we are, the band of misfit toys. And we've got a real, we've got a real doozy today. We got a real special treat for our listeners. We have our first guest on the show. And my oh my, what a guest it is. Zach Robbins from the band Superhaven. I can't wait. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_05 1:30

I I love Superhaven more than most things in this entire world. And for some reason, Bobby, of course, is good friends with him.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Yeah. I know. Got a lot of history with a lot of people. But Zach's a tremendous human. And uh I mean all those all those guys are great. But Zach, Zach and I bonded over a love of auto racing. So I think anytime anytime you spend a lot of time with somebody and then you discover something as niche's a love for racing, that kind of elevates your friendship beyond just being like at show friends, you become texting friends. So Zach was an easy get. He's great. And obvious evidently he's an uh a diehard speed of sound listener. So we appreciate him for that. It's huge. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Yeah, that is. That is. We appreciate the support. Before we dive into the interview, we'll do some general housekeeping. We'll do our new music Friday. We want to talk about Coachella a little bit. But what's going on in your world? What's new?

SPEAKER_05 2:32

Uh I got to work for uh probably the largest YouTube influencer in all of motorsports. Uh Cletus McFarland. Um that was an experience. I uh yeah, I was hired by Rhett Jones Racing to do tires on the 30 and zero car, him and his very good homie Squirrel McNutt. Um and I never thought in my life that I would be doing tires for a somebody named Cletus McFarland and Squirrel McNutt in an arca race at Kansas, and that is exactly what happened. And uh we didn't crash. Wow. Uh Cletus's car, the motor blew up, that was a whole deal. But uh our car was good, and uh we are going to Talladega, so by the time this comes out, we'll probably be in Talladega or something, and uh gonna do tires again on that car. So we will see what happens.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

The week before that, didn't you end up on TV again? Like, hasn't it been since our last show that you were you were in Bristol? Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go together in my brain.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Yes, you are so right, Bobby. There was uh this other huge bit of news too, Brad.

SPEAKER_05 3:45

I hopped in the car again.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

What went down at Bristol, sir?

SPEAKER_05 3:50

I uh yeah, uh my teammate Logan, he he had back issues uh during the race because the seat didn't fit very good. Ironically, my seat was the seat he was in because he thought we would fit. He's just like an inch taller than me, and we didn't think that was gonna be a problem. It was a problem.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 4:08

And uh I was about to do pit stop for Ryan Ellis, and they were like, Brad, get your stuff on. And I, you know, it's loud in Bristol, if you've ever been there, you know, it's loud. So I'm like, What? Like, stuff, and I'm like, I don't know what you said, but okay, I guess I'll put my stuff on and then hopped in. Zero laps at Bristol. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Zero laps at Bristol, and here you are, thrown in the car, deep into the swimming pool.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Wow. What was the biggest takeaway? What was the biggest, you know, from sim to uh actually racing the track at Bristol Motor Speedway?

SPEAKER_05 4:47

There is like no exaggeration when people say like you will forget to breathe. There's people say that and I'm like, yeah, you know, yeah, I'm gonna forget to breathe. Like, whatever, dude. Like, no, it's like I was calm. Like, I didn't my heart rate probably didn't go over like 140 or something, probably at the moment. Okay. But like the yellow had come out, and then I'm like, oh god, I didn't I hadn't breathed in that much in like 30 minutes. And it for real. Like you get in there and you're like, and you don't realize how little your chest is uncompressing because of the G forces, and yeah, you forget to breathe. So I forgot to breathe.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

That's insane. Wow. I've heard like within the first few laps, it's like you don't even know what's up, what's down, what's left or right. Is that true? No, yeah, like directionally, it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:40

They're like, Did you ever forget which one was the front stretch and which one was the back stretch? And I'm like, Yeah. I did. At one point, I couldn't tell what side it was on. And then I realized, oh, the track is asymmetrical. It's their both ends are not the same. And then that's when it made me realize which side it was on.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

It clicked.

SPEAKER_05 6:00

Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Typically hot tip. I don't think a lot of people knew that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:03

Bristol is asymmetrical. They're not equal quarters.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Wow. Damn. Not to be a fly on the wall in that car with you. With your seat in it, which still boggles my mind, but that's off to you.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Eyes wide open, no exhaust coming from my mouth, just straight breath.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Oh my God. That's crazy. And Bobby, how about you?

SPEAKER_03 6:27

What's going on in your world? Well, when we last adjourned, I was running out the door to go catch that album run um that I was talking about for accessories. So my wife and I did make it. We were late. We were late by like five minutes. Don't be. No, I mean well, it ended up being fine, but like we we were going so the the run happens on this trail in Chicago, like I was telling you about the 606 trail. We were we parked our car, we're like sprinting to get to the trail because we knew we had missed the the the jump off point, and we came across another running group, but we we didn't realize it. We like we were like, oh cool, they didn't start yet. And the guy's like, Are you here for the 606 running? And we're like, oh yeah, let's do it. And we're like standing there, and then all of a sudden the guy starts introducing the running group. I'm like, oh, this is another running group. So Lindsay and I had to like awkwardly kind of back out and like run away because they're like all everyone's like introducing themselves, you know, and I'm like, okay, well, we gotta get out of this somehow. So we we made it up to the we made it up to the 606. We thankfully had like the link, so we're already listening to the accessory album. And we start we start our run and we we ran across the other guys that were in the album runs uh group, and then you know, we we did the run. It was albums awesome. We'll talk about that more later. And then we did the you know, we went to the local pub and did the Q ⁇ A with Jason from Accessory, which was really cool. So we got we got the full experience, it was awesome. But we did that. That is so unique. That concept is so cool, and and definitely follow him on Instagram, Alp album runs, it's called, and uh they do them every month or sometimes more, you know. But they got and it there's a lot of people that do it. There was probably like between 20 and 30 people, I think, that nice that did it, you know, and participated in the Q ⁇ A. It was it was really solid, you know. So um did that. We went uh my I as I said in the last episode, my brother-in-law has been playing guitar for Anthony Green. So we went and caught a couple more performances. We went to Chicago at the salt shed, which is an incredible venue if you haven't been and finally got to go backstage at the salt shed, which is like super luxurious and awesome. Like they definitely had a juicer in the green room and people making fresh juice for everybody, which is pretty crazy. What the hell? What kind of juice? Orange, it would just be just whatever, you know, like whatever you thought. They had like a basket of whatever we can juice, we'll juice it. They had a basket, a basket of fruit and vegetables, and you kind of got to pick your own concoction.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Yeah, it was epic. That's awesome!

SPEAKER_03 9:07

Yeah, it was pretty crazy. So uh but we had we did Chicago and then we drove up to Detroit and caught the show at the Majestic Theater, which was incredible. I had never I'd been next door, it's right next door to the Magic Stick, so I'd played the Magic Stick before, but like I'd never been in the theater part of it, and it was beautiful. So we caught that. We ran around Bell Isle, which was like the indie car course for a long time, which was pretty cool. So we got to run in there. I listened to that new Square Pusher record on the run, which was a decision that I made, you know. Stephanie.

SPEAKER_05 9:39

An extra three mile an hour on the run there.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

That was something something else, yeah. So but no, yeah, that was we had we had a lot of fun traveling and catching those gigs. That sounds lovely.

SPEAKER_05 9:50

Dude, you got to freaking play bass for freaking I did.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Yeah, that was uh that was my that was my equivalence to jumping in the car at Bristol.

SPEAKER_05 10:00

That was like uh playing for Anthony.

SPEAKER_03 10:03

Yeah. Well my brother-in-law, like we we we jammed a little bit like when we were in Austin, we were all like just playing guitars outside the bus after and singing folk songs and just like kind of having like campfire karaoke, you know. But then I think my brother-in-law had mentioned to Anthony that like you know, my wife and I were coming to those shows, and Anthony's like, oh, like we should see if Bobby wants to jam. I was like, oh man, you know, that's a lot of pressure. Like, you know, not only like the scenario, but then they're like big shows, so you're playing in front of like thousands of people too, you know. So um I played I played guitar, which I'd really I really like. I I play bass, so I play some guitar, but like just kind of like jumping in like at sound check and just being like, okay, I gotta like shake off the nerves of the situation, and then like ran ran it at sound check, it felt pretty good, and then yeah, we we I was just kind of flying by the seat of my pants, you know, knocked knocked it out. It was it was awesome. Wow, so cool in the belly of the beast.

SPEAKER_05 11:06

I tried looking, like I'm glad you said that was a song because I I was trying to figure out what song that was on. I've never heard this song before. Yeah, so now I'm very excited to listen to it.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Yeah, there's a there's a recording, uh like a video, like a you know, a a proper film and recording of a session they did in Pennsylvania. It was like an acoustic performance. I think it was from it was from around New Year's Eve that they made like a proper film of this, and this song's on that like on that recording, and I think they even posted like a clip of it on social media, but it's not like out on an album album yet. So I think that's to to come in the future. But yeah, this was a new song, and uh I had heard my it's a song my brother-in-law wrote. I I'd heard this song in its infancy years ago, so I remember it like super well. So that that kind of gave me some advantage to being able to like, okay, I like roughly know how the song goes, you know, so I wasn't coming into it like completely, you know, cold turkey or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 12:08

That is actually one-to-one what it is like to get into a car at Bristol, right there. That is do I kind of know? Yeah. Do I really know? No, but I do.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

I didn't do a ton of I now that I think about it, I didn't do a ton of breathing up on stage either. It's just kind of like, okay, you know, yeah. This is G forces. Yeah, this is happening. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:28

So for you looking to your right and seeing Anthony Green to be like me looking to my right and seeing Kyle Arson. It's like Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Similar, actually. Pretty pretty similar. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Well, other big news in the music world as well. Coachella. What did we think? Tons of social media buzz. I mean, there's been live performance releases, things on YouTube, things released all over the place. What are our takeaways? What what kind of hit you guys? And uh what were your initial reactions?

SPEAKER_05 13:05

There is so much. Like that it's actually hard to put into words how many performances that there were, and how many performances kind of like exceeded like my expectations are like, you know, obviously there's a lot of artists that we knew that were going to be on the bill, but then there's also a lot of artists that I otherwise probably wouldn't have listened to that, you know, when you're that artist on the bottom side of the bill, like you have to do something to like gain that attention and show what you got. You might not never get that that opportunity ever again. And uh, I'm not gonna say this as being like, oh, like nobody knows who this is, but um, Dijon uh was an artist that I love, and uh McGee obviously is a big collaborator. They worked with Bieber, like they've they've written, they've written probably like the most different pop-sounding like indie music that I've ever heard were like sample bass and it has like hip-hop drums, but it's like real loops. They went on stage during Dijon's set and had the entire production on stage. And it was like the mixing board, like the front of house mixing board was on stage, like that is a member of the band. They had all the different types of guitars, loopers, the reverbs, the you know, the choruses, everything was done on stage. So everything that basically pumped out of the PA was not a sample, was not a pre-recorder, wasn't there was no backing tracks, there was no like able to live press press space bar, like it was purely whatever sound came out of all of those instruments on stage into the PA. So that is something that I have never seen before. I've never, you know, you know, obviously there's bands that play to a click, and you know, that's a whole nother thing, but there's bands that don't, but even when they're bands that don't play to a click, you know, your front of house person isn't in the in the band, like they're not in the show. And they seeing all of that in front of you and seeing all the sound produced directly in front of you, and especially an artist that is not necessarily underground doing it, I thought was really cool and really refreshing.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Yeah, I I that definitely caught my eye. I've seen like I've seen that more prevalent in like the electronic music world, like you know, like a band, there's a band, Warp Records band called Sabres of Paradise, that like they were popular in the 90s and they got back together, but like I remember seeing they had this huge mixing board and the guy and like then they had a full band and the guy was like mixing it, happening it in real time, and that like kind of was like really eye-opening experience. But like never on a stage like Coachella do you see something like that. Like, usually it's like they you know, pop artists do such a crazy job of like streamlining it down to being like one lone person. Rarely do you kind of get to look behind the curtain and see the entire how how the sausage is being made, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 15:54

And of all stages, like the pressure, the amount of pressure that Coachella brings on a band on a live performance. I mean, that it's gutsy. I have so much respect for that choice because holy moly, I mean, pfft.

SPEAKER_05 16:08

Yeah. I felt like watching that, I felt like I was just like sitting in on a session. Yeah. Like I rewatched the whole thing, like somebody recorded it from the crowd, and it felt like we're kind of just there watching them do a session, and then they would morph slowly into another song that's like, oh, that's that song, and like watch them just kind of like synchronize. And seeing a band that's like stoked and and and having that chemistry on stage, and like there's not like crazy lights, there's nobody in the darkness, like everyone's just well lit, and watching them do that is like it's it's very bare. Like it's very like you know, that's the equivalent of literally just standing out there naked playing music. It's like there's nothing to hide. Like I thought it was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

Yeah. And evidently rock music's back. Did you hear?

SPEAKER_05 16:54

Hey, apparently.

SPEAKER_03 16:57

Turnstyle, main stage. This whole time I've been wasting my life, you know, without realizing that I was out of fashion, and now it now it's all of a sudden it's back. You know, it's a great one. It's cool again. Yeah. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_05 17:11

We went so far in the this direction that we ended up going back this direction, and now it's cool to pick up an instrument again. Everybody, kids, pick up your dang instrument. Go to the pawn shop and buy a squire strat. Yep. Go get one.

SPEAKER_03 17:25

Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, turn turnstile had a huge show, and it's cool to I it's cool to read about you know Drain was getting a lot of like props, and I feel like that might be the first. So, like, you know, if we're looking at like the billing of a major festival, right? Like we're gonna start to see the turnstile effect, right? Them breaking the barriers for like hardcore music and punk music to be kind of like accepted by this wide mainstream audience. Drain definitely, it seems like they they reaped the benefit of that. Like, because I read a lot. I I think if this was five years ago and they were just kind of like the token hardcore band, you wouldn't have heard so much about it. But like in the wake of turnstile happening, you know, Drain had a big highlight on them, which is really awesome to see.

SPEAKER_05 18:17

Yeah, that reminds me of this was that had to be like 2015 or 16. Um you had to look at the bill and it were like, oh, all these people, and then you see on the bottom it's like Tidal Fight. Yep. And we're like, oh crap, Tidal Fight is playing Coachella. This is gonna be ridiculous. Because we used to see in like no barricade shows with them at the time that they were booked. And I'll never forget, like, right at the festival, we were all super aware of like that set occurring, like maybe all my friends and stuff that were super aware of them. And there was a picture, it was a very famous photo. We'll probably end up seeing this. Like, I'm gonna put it in the in the clip here. Uh I remember seeing this photo of some kid stage diving at Coachella and basically like landing over this girl wearing a flower crown, which was like insanely popular. And that was just like the whole like this is a hilarious sideshow that is occurring at this massively commercial festival, and this band from Kingston, Pennsylvania is just ruining it. And and to think about how that has evolved into the turnstile effect, and then a band like Drain, which arguably is less polished than turnstyle, I think. Way less than less or and and all and less than title fight, less accessible, and and then making it fun. And and kids were like in on it. Like I was watching the video live, and I'm like, the kids are loving this.

SPEAKER_03 19:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:39

And just the the future is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 19:42

Yeah, it's great to see. Like I said, I think be curious to see as the year goes on now that you know, I mean, like turnstile, obviously, they've been having their moment for a couple years now, but like this year they're gonna be getting headlining slotting on festivals, right? So this is where we're gonna this is where you're really gonna start to see it down the bill. Who are these festival promoters gonna pair with them? And that's it's gonna be huge. It's gonna have a big ripple effect going away from the festivals, just into you know, regular tours that are getting announced too, you know.

SPEAKER_05 20:15

Yeah, this will help people's numbers insanely. Like when I just saw Drain on their headliner right before they went to Coachella, I mean they packed that room like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:24

We were at the Orange Peel in Asheville, and the place was slam packed. And it's not like I mean, they had pretty popular bands on the bill with them, and they had no pressure in Haywire. But like Drain by themselves, I mean, the entire place was rocking, like the floor was about to fall off the thing. Like it was wild.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

I saw a lot about Nine Inch Noise or Nine Inch Nails and Boys Noise, which I mean I saw I saw the I saw it right before, like I saw them in Milwaukee. I think I talked about it a few episodes ago. And it's it's insane, but I was glad that they were getting their flowers because it's insane and it's super cool. And uh I hope they do more of that in the future, you know.

SPEAKER_05 21:03

Yeah, two absolute legends of the scene. Like, Boys Noise has been around the electronic space forever, like forever. Like I'd put them up there with like the Justices and the Odessa's of the world, you know, the Apex Twins. Once again, another Apex Twin mention. Like, but I think the connection is really funny in music because like Boys Noise did like a collab piece. It was like five years ago with Skrillix, and they made this this uh group called Dogblood, and it was a crazy fusion of sound that they did together. And to know that obviously Skrillix is a huge 9-inch nails fan and like contributed to a lot of stuff that that Trent did, and and even down to like the Challengers um like soundtrack, and it almost felt weird that like how come like Trent and Boys Noise did not like come together at any point like in the middle of that, to see two like analog forward, huge electronic musicians come together and create a show that was not even just a show, like now they released. An album just recently that was the show. And the the album itself doesn't even sound like a live album. Like the only thing that makes it sound like a live album is the crowd noise in the background. But I was listening to it and I'm like, this sounds like a studio recorded piece of music. And I just I really wish that would go in other places so I can witness it myself. But uh yeah, that was cool.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Hey, you know what? Shock and awe, Coachella's the place to do it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 22:25

So yeah, they have a chokehole over people's music. I found that out after trying to look at all these sets, like none of them were up because Coachella just struck them all down.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

It's a good point, too. It was hard. It was hard to find stuff. You know, I was looking and I'll mention her later, but for Casey Musgraves, and I like how to do it. Hard to find. Yeah, it totally is. Yeah. Relying on the people. Speaking of new music, new music Friday. We have some mentions from the last two weeks. And then what's coming up as well? So we've got uh we've got some Square Pusher to uh to talk about and the Bandcamp Listening Party. Bobby, I'm gonna throw it over to you. I hopped on for this one too, but I can't wait to hear your thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

Well, I love that this was likely probably your first like experience with Square Pusher, which is good. It's a good this is a great, great entry point. I mean good, good, good, good. Um, can K-mer concert, I believe, means chamber concert. So chamber music, right? Like so yeah, it is it's definitely like what he's known for, which is like this weird jazz influenced version of like dance music, but like through through uh like uh orchestrated chamber music, essentially. So like all the instrumentation was just like insane sounding, you know, like there's there's uh woodwind, there's strings, there's just like primitive piano sounds. Yeah, yeah. And then then you bring in the front the kinetic energy of Square Pusher, and it's seriously just like I felt like I just was seeing like a cartoon falling down a comically long flight of stairs, the entire album. It's just someone, every little stair was just another hit, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:15

You know, like yes, I was gonna mention Looney Tunes, took the words out of my mouth. That's so good.

SPEAKER_03 24:22

I had the band, I had the bandcamp listening party on. Like, I know we were all texting about it, and we're we were driving. We had picked up my brother-in-law, we were driving him to the salt shed, and he he got a call, so I like turned down the radio, but I didn't quite get it down to zero. And I heard him like talking, and in the moment when he stopped talking, I just heard this wild like xylophone solo. And I'm like, this has got to be the most like aggravating music to try and like have a conversation over, you know. So that being said, I still think it's predictable. Yeah, no, it was it was so like it was all if you could make an album that was 100% out of left field, he accomplished doing that. So yes, it was just just blind side after blind side, but no, it's amazing. I mean, he he's brilliant, and uh for him to have been making music as long as he has and to continue to be able to like make inventive, interesting music is something to be said in itself. He's just a tremendous artist, and uh the the amount of brain power it takes to be able to compose and arrange music on that level that should not be overlooked. Like it is like when you listen to it, like this is wild and crazy, but like for him to be able to have like composed for all those instruments, it just goes to show like what brain that dude is working with. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 25:41

1000%. The creativity, the artistry. That's where my mind went. I'm like, what kind of headspace was he in? Because the it, you know, yes, it was wild and it was wonderful listening to it, but it's like wow, the creativity just is abounding with this. And it just felt really it felt really special. It felt very special to be a part of it too on the Bandcamp listening party. I loved that. I loved sharing the experience with other people, kind of seeing the crazy comments. Comments were great. And the comments were so great, so entertaining.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Yeah. I really, really was digging that, and I'm excited to hopefully join more of those listening parties because I thought that, well, gosh, what a great way to share it with people.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

It was a little less interactive than the greenhouse one I had done, but like Warp Records and all of their artists, all their artists are enigmas. They're just like I'm, you know, there's if if you didn't know better, you would just think none of them are real. Like they're all just like, you know, they're just UFO transmissions. Like there's no, yeah, you know, so like I didn't expect Square Pusher to be in the chat, you know, but like it was still cool in itself to kind of have that like moment with like so many other people who were like really excited about it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Totally agree. Yeah, so for our listeners, keep watch. Bandcamp, we love you.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

Yeah, thank you, Bandcamp. I talked about it a little bit earlier. Uh I talked about the experience of doing the albums run, our album runs, which was was really cool. Um, Dust is the name of the record, it's my accessory. I think I mentioned it's Jason Bala, uh, who's a songwriter from Chicago who who plays in another band called Dead, D-E-H-D, and this is kind of like his solo project. And it's the the album's brilliant, it's really good. I think I had seen the I had seen a live interpretation of this project called Accessory XL, which is him and just like a million musicians, and it's this crazy cacophony of like noise and reverb and delay pedals, which is brilliant and amazing. So that was kind of like my expectation going into this, but I was surprised to hear this album is a lot more piano driven and it's just like very pop music-minded. Like the songs are concise and memorable and really catchy. So it just should it's a testament to him as a songwriter. Like, I think he's really brilliant because he can do two different things super well. If you listen to Dead, the songs that he does in Dead are really like they're like pop indie songs, they're super catchy, they're all earworms, and he kind of picks up that with accessory for sure with his album.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

That's awesome. I love that imagery. Earworms. Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_05 28:23

Can't wait to see what I'm gonna put on the playlist for that one. I'm very curious, actually. Yeah, check them out. Yeah, I guess. That's right. Yeah, I'm cooking it up for y'all. Cooking it up. And check out the YouTube playlist at Bobby Jacker.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

Yes, YouTube is YouTube. The YouTube. Yep. The YouTube one. That's great.

SPEAKER_05 28:44

Star Junk 95. Uh, this is an artist that I have started to grow an affinity towards. Um, I personally like DJing like fast house music. Like fast house music, almost like you can almost call it melodic techno, how fast it is. And Star Junk 95 is an artist that is very much into the aesthetics of like, you know, that Daft Punk album where it like they had like this um this animation. It was past like a live 2007 where it was like it was a pure animated like universe around it. Um like it was like aliens and they had like pink skin, it was like crazy. Um Star Jack 95 kind of like takes that concept and like brings it forward. Like it's like jet set radio music. If you're ever familiar with that video game, or like SSX Tricky, or like you know, if you're ever familiar with those video games, like Star Junk 95 makes sense. Like it's a very analog, old sounding, like cutesy poppy electronic music that almost feels like Japanese inspired, but given like a brand new twist, and like the mixing sounds super modern. And and they actually were in Durham on Saturday, last Saturday, while I was in Kansas. Sad. Uh, but that means just letting you know, they are touring, so check to see if they're going to New York City. It's super fun, cute music, great like up-tempo dance music that is just like just a boom, boom. Like it's like almost like Eurobeat, like, and it's super fun, and the aesthetics are fun. I think it's like cool to look into their little cinematic universe they've created. And they just dropped an album pretty recently, and uh I I've been jamming it, uh just kind of all the way through jamming it. Very rarely see electronic music albums that all have the same kind of idea towards it. Um i.e. uh. Robinson's Worlds. Um, and this is one of those albums. So uh definitely recommend Star Junk 95. Uh, that was one that I did not put in my new Music Friday last week.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Okay, I got you. I was looking them up earlier and I was like, dang, look at these album covers. Okay. So I was intrigued. My interest has peaked.

SPEAKER_05 30:46

Very colorful.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Yes. They are, they are. Very cool. All right. Well, 424, that's a few days away from now. What are we looking at? What's getting us excited?

SPEAKER_05 30:59

Okay. Uh I'll go. Uh, so uh I'll keep it super short. A Treyu is a band that you are very much aware of if you are into heavy music, as it's probably the gateway drug to all the heavy music you've ever listened to, is Atreyu. Um and they are putting out an album called The End Is Not the End. I've listened to a couple of singles, and uh it is it is an Atreyu album, 100%. And uh if you're into them, you'd like it. Um I would like to reference a band that um called I Kill the Prom Queen. If you guys are familiar with I Kill the Prom Queen, this album actually kind of sounds a little bit like I Killed the Prom Queen. Like it's it's not as much of an A Treyu album as that. Um, but I like you know, I like the the super mathy riffs, I like like a little tapping, I like you know that kind of deal, and they they experiment a little bit with that in this one. Um very curious to listen to the rest of it. If you're into straight up hardcore, the band that is and will never die, then no matter how many band member iterations they will go through, terror is putting out an album called Still Suffer. Yes, it is a terror album, and it sounds exactly what you think a terror album will sound like. Um it's still a fun show. I I got to see them uh funny, like literally like three weeks before the entire world shut down in 2020. They played at a VFW in uh Las uh Vegas, and I think one of their members went to a race in Nashville and met me, and he knew that I liked Terror, which is hilarious, and we just chopped it up for a little bit. I I forgot who it was, and maybe they could get on the show or something. I don't know. I forgot, like that's how quick of a day that was. But Terror rocks with NASCAR, so that's kind of funny. Um so and then last but not least, this is the album that I'm for sure gonna listen to front to back. Jordan Riquet uh was actually talking about it with Allie right before the show started. And Between Us, it's an EP. Um FKJ is one of the um artists that is being featured on this, and it's actually full of features. Like this whole album is just full of features. Um, and I like that with a collaborative like jazz neo-soul album. Yeah. Like, and Jordan Raquet is very much a jazz neo-soul artist and kind of goes into like the very subsects of like that world of like colorful melodies and like oh, I'm gonna throw an 11th on that chord, I'm gonna throw a ninth, I'm gonna screw it, you know? It's random dissonance, like it's kind of that kind of thing. So if you're like a big jazz nerd, like this is definitely the album for you or EP for you, very digestible because it's an EP.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:30

Um and a lot of like live recorded instruments, like not much you know, fakeness, not a lot of programmed things. So if you're also into that, um you'd you'd like it.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

It's really fresh. You were playing some samples, and I was like, who is this? Oh, I like this. It got me. So I am super pumps now for that as well.

SPEAKER_03 33:49

That's awesome. I need to check it out. I've got a couple. I've got uh, you know, so in our little preview of our interview that's about to come up with Zach from from Super Heaven, we end up talking about a band called Failure. Uh, the band Failure, they're they're getting ready to put a new record out. They were, like I said, they're they're kind of like a forgotten band of the 90s. They had like one hit. They're kind of like hum, similar. They they definitely people tend to pair those two together, like as far as like influences go. If you like hum, you'll probably like failure. Uh, but failure has since gotten back together and they've been putting out more music. They just put out a single with Haley Williams of Paramour's fame. Because Haley is a big failure fan. I think she covered she always covered their single, the their hit single Stuck on You. She would cover that song. I think Paramour is.

SPEAKER_05 34:40

I've listened to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

So that's a failure song from the 90s, you know. Wow. Uh, but they just put out a single called The Rising Skyline with Haley on it, and their record called Your Favorite Toy is coming out. So I'm definitely gonna check that out. They're you know, consistently great band, just super seasoned veteran musicians that know how to make really awesome alternative music. And I want to give a shout out to some friends of mine from Austin, Texas called Portrayal of Guilt. They're getting ready to put a new record out on Run for Cover, which we've talked a lot about on this podcast. But their record called Beginning of the End is coming out, and they span a lot of genres and the heavy spectrum, black metal, post-hardcore, grindcore, all these things. Like they're you know, very aggressive, choppy drumming, scary vocals, big sounding guitars. They're really, really heavy and aggressive. So if you're into like metal music, they're definitely worth the listen and check out. They're a super talented band, like really awesome band to watch.

SPEAKER_05 35:40

I'm in. I'm in, I'm in a lot of things. I love it. That's uh episode the list. That's a super haven reference. But yes, I'm in. I'm in on it. Keep them with the theme.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

I have a uh how do I even how do I even lay this up? This could either this could either make it or break it, and I could really be creating a divide here, but no pun intended. So my album reference is Noah Khan releasing the great divide. And Brad and I, pre-recording, we were about to get into it, and I said, wait, wait, wait, let's hit record because I might have a controversial opinion. And I love folk music. You guys know I'm I'm into the the country, I'm into the folksy kind of sound, bluegrass, all that kind of stuff. And I hate to say it, but I think Noah Khan, at least for me, it's like it he feels very overhyped. And I'm interested to see if this album will bring some new sounds for me. Because like I I don't know why, but like I feel like you know, Noah Khan will be playing, and it it a lot of times it just sounds like the same song to me. And I know that's me generalizing, and that could be horrible, and I might be drawing a line in the sand and creating enemies, but it's just how I feel. It's just how I feel. So I'm very I'm interested. I'm interested to see how this one plays out.

SPEAKER_05 37:00

Yeah, I have very big feelings about this, actually.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Okay, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_05 37:04

I could get on an entire tangent about this in music in general. So Noah Kahan like serves a purpose. Like his music, like I I preface this when I told you earlier. I was like, he is not a bad musician by any means. No, no, like he's good, but like he he makes music that like fits a certain level of crowd that like if you like this specific sound, that is all you, brother. Like that's take it, take it and run with it. But as far as yeah, that's okay. That's cool because I love the dist I love the story so far. And the first three albums they made sounded exactly the same. And I'm not gonna say they they never innovated, nothing. Every single one of it was catchy, I did not care. And I'm I could live with that. I literally look my friends in the face and be like, yeah, man, I love the first two The Stories of R. You can I play a song and I can't even tell which album it's from. Didn't matter. And Noah Kahan is kind of the same, but it's for like people who love that specific folk sound that is like a commercialized folk sound. And there's not necessarily wrong, there's nothing wrong with that, but if you're the type of person that like very much values like how something was made and like the purpose behind it and the meaning behind it, if that's how you digest your folk music, I don't believe that this album is for you, and that is okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

What way to lay it down? Said what I couldn't say in so many words. Keyword also being commercialized.

SPEAKER_05 38:30

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and it's commercialized because it uh it appeals to a broader group of people. Like it's that's that's how pop works, you know? Like this is true. And like as a pop fan, like I get it. Like, you know, but you know, and it's hard to pop folk music. It's hard to pop it because the the whole premise of folk is that it's not pop. So that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Well, you know what? We talk about all walks of life here on Speed of Sound.

SPEAKER_05 38:57

A frequent collaborator with Haley Williams, American football. And friends of the program, Steve Lamos is an Askar fan. We connect a little bit. He's the drummer for American Football.

SPEAKER_03 39:11

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 39:11

Um and whenever he'd be on the trumpet, you know, a couple American football songs include the trumpet, he is responsible for that. But that's cool. American football, the the the long-awaited return. Um LP4, you know, being super creative with the album names. Every American football album is named the exact same thing. It's fine by me. This one's the red one. This one has the red album cover, so that's the one I'm gonna call. I'm gonna call it the red one. And uh I am very excited to hear this. I've been listening to a lot of interviews. Um, you know, the the singer kind of went through like a rough pattern in his like personal relationships and in alcoholism, and a lot of things that he touched upon on this album are super personal, and it's something that you know it's hard to get that in emo music or emo adjacent music, Midwest emo, because when we grow up, you know, our we change. And like we weren't the kind of like angsty teenagers we used to be. Obviously, like we keep a lot of our feelings and emotions with us, but in our older age, it's hard to tap into a lot of that, I think. I can at least I say that for myself, and I'm literally 29, so um I definitely was I had bigger feelings when I was 17, and and a band like American Football, who kind of went through like the we have an album, we're gone for 10 years, and we're back, we're gone for 10 years, and life goes on. It's actually refreshing to hear something that sounds as strong, I think, as LP1. And uh even with the singles that I heard, like one of them is featuring Brendan Yates from Turnstyle, um it kind of tugs on them heartstrings and um kind of reminds me why I fell in love with American football in the first place. So I am more than excited for this to come out. I'm probably more excited about this than any of the albums I even mentioned like 10 minutes ago, to be honest. Um yeah, um that and uh not to say that Isaiah Rashad is not as amazing too. I love Isaiah Rashad, part of um Top Dog Entertainment, so that's the same company that brought us Sciza, you know, Kendrick Lamar, School Boy Q. Isaiah Rashad is more of the like boom bap kind of 90s sounding like West Coast rap version of those and kind of in a softer way. Um he has an album coming out called It's Been Awful. I haven't heard any of the singles, and I'm very excited to actually listen to them and sit down because my life is crazy. But shout out to Isaiah Rashad.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

Right on.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

I've got one. It is with it. And it's it's gonna probably be one of those albums that's gonna curtail my exploration of other music for a while, but I've had this circled on my calendar. So there's a band from England called Sea Feel. Uh they've been around since the 90s, and they're putting out their first album in 15 years. It's called Soul Period H Z, which I don't know if that stands for like Soul Hurts or something, but Soul Hurts.

SPEAKER_05 41:58

I think that's what it is.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Yeah, which is cool. Um coming out on Warp Records, which is the greatest record label of all time. Uh shout out, they just put out that Square Pusher record we talked about, Apex Twin, Boards of Canada. They kind of handle all things cool coming out of that part of the world, but the you know, they they kind of bridge the gap between like Dream Pop and Shoe Gaz and like ambient music, and they just sound like if you were like in a standing in like a dense fog and you heard like a sound, and you were like constantly like walking to that sound, but you could never quite find the right direction. They're just con it's like it's it's just blanketed in beauty, like beautiful ambiance, you know. But um they they just make lush beautiful music and the singles that have come out uh until now and ever know away are both really, really awesome. So I've got high expectations for this record for sure.

SPEAKER_05 42:59

This means a lot coming from the shoe games guy.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

If you're telling me that we're layering things on top of layering things, on top of layering things, no sharp edges on this record, it sounds like this band I this band came out for of the same scene as My Buddy Valentine at the same time, but I don't think they get this, they don't get the credit that like slow dive, my buddy Valentine, they don't get the same like regard as those bands as being like a pioneer of that genre. Um, I think they are they are a little more avant-garde, they're a little more difficult to put your thumb on as far as like what they're bringing to the table, but like no shortage of beauty. Like if you look if you just go press play on their soundtrack and and it's just calming, like just soothe your chaotic brain with their music. It's it's really, really awesome to listen to.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

I'm excited for that. I need a little bit of that.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

That's great. Oh man, Bobby, you just got the hidden gems, you really do.

SPEAKER_05 43:58

Speed of sound playlist It's being fed. Yeah. I'll tell you what, we're not the speedest outplay that's gonna have to get locked inside of a safe.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

You can't let it preserve it.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Damn right. Preserve it. The internet can never the internet can never end because we got it reserved.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

I had one mention that being Casey Musgrave's middle of nowhere. We had her Coachella performance, which got me so hyped, so excited for this. With title track being middle of nowhere, she performed it at Coachella, rode out on a horse. I mean, but like did it her way too. I mean, in a white tank top and jeans, and just like it felt for Casey, in my opinion, it felt stripped down. And on a stage like Coachella, I have a lot of respect for that. And I was engaged. I was very engaged with it. Also, Dry Spell, she had a music video, another single that was off of this album. So wonderfully written. We are getting funny, witty Casey back again. I mean, I feel like we always had her, but her last two albums, in my opinion, they were kind of more of like a whimsical take on her uh kind of journey that she's gone on. A lot of like religious kind of explorations with God, with the architect, which was a really big one for her. But now with middle of nowhere, it just seems fun. It seems like she's really kind of pushing some boundaries. And like I said, that dry spell one, just go check out the uh music video because it's it's raunchy and it's just it's funny. Like it's just, it's just, it's a wild ride. So very excited for for that album to come out in uh the next two weeks.

SPEAKER_05 45:34

That's great because we can put that on the Speed of Sound YouTube playlist.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

Yes, we can.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Done.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

Look at that.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Oh my gosh, what a lineup. Well, again, we are gonna drop everything in our speed of sound playlists on Spotify, on Apple, on YouTube. Be sure to check those out. And now, without further ado, we have gosh, what a guest with us today for our interview with Zach Robbins.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

Friends, we are very excited to have our first guest on the Speed of Sound podcast, someone that I have spent a lot of time with, a lot of road miles with, a renowned musician, a renowned drummer, fantastic all-around human, and happens to be a race fan. Our dear friend Zach Robbins, most notably of the band Superheaven. Zach, thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_04 46:25

Oh man, you're too kind. Thanks, Bobby. Appreciate it. And thank you guys for having me on here. I'm super, super excited to chat with you guys.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

We got a lot of music to talk about with you, but before we get to that, something that you and I have truly bonded over, bonded for life, is you're a racing fan.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

And there's not a there's not a lot of us in the rock, our rock music world. There's just not a lot of us.

SPEAKER_04 46:49

So pretty narrow overlap, I'd say.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

Yeah, it really is. We we were we were definitely very quiet about it for a long time. I feel like we get a little more, a little more proud, but for sure. I want to ask you uh for our listeners, what what's your history with the sport? How did you get into it?

SPEAKER_04 47:06

Um well I I definitely got into the sport of like just stock car racing at a very early age. Um my mom's family um all lived in like the Charlotte area. That's where my like grandparents down there ended up. And we would visit all the time. And uh, you know, I have super early memories of you know watching being down there, watching races with them, and um, you know, super early memories of watching early day 2500s with them and stuff like that. And it was just always such a big deal because you know, my grandpa, he loved it so much. But I would say the main like formative experience from that was like one time we were down there and we uh they lived in like the rock barn area, and so it was like you know, we went down, they uh him and his boys, they were all going down to Hickory for the races, and like they they let me pile in, and I was like, you know, probably five or six years old or something, and like I don't know, the whole thing. I was like, this is it, this is the coolest thing I ever saw in my life, you know, like all the sights and the smells, and everyone was having a great time. And uh it was just a fun night, you know. They they would they were they had some money on the races, they were betting on stuff, and like I was I was obviously not like betting money, but they'd be like, No, you gotta pick one too. And like after the first couple like key races, I was like picking winners, and then they're all like, Alright, dude, like tell me what's the next thing. It got it was pretty pretty funny. Yeah, it's so just growing up, being able to travel to some of the tracks to see some races like Pocono and Dover, you know, with with my family. And it was always something cool to uh look forward to, and I don't know, just being a kid, I was just super into it. I thought it was the coolest, coolest thing ever, basically.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

So I uh I have so much regret that like when we did that. So the first time, little backstory for our listeners, like Zach and I first toured together back in, I think it was like 2013.

SPEAKER_04 49:15

Yeah, yeah. It was like summer kind of 2013.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

My old band toured with Zach, Zach's band, and we we did like a full North American tour. We were on the road together for like six weeks, and we somehow never broached the topic of auto racing once. Like just coexisted as musicians. Yeah, we just like did not get into it, and uh I have so much now that we're so tight and we talk racing all the time, like we've watched racing. I regret that we didn't get into it much.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

I know, man. I I remember there actually I that was like such a crazy tour. Yeah, that was like six weeks. Um that was a long one and you know, early days for sure. Um, but I remember do yeah, we should have we should have connected on that earlier. I remember like we like I don't know, you had some kind of sticker on like one of your cases or something. And I remember like at I noticed it at like the one of the last shows in like Connecticut or something. I was like, Oh, you like you're like a race fan and all? And you were like, oh yeah, I mean like yeah. But like but like glean's enough information to be like, oh, this guy's like a head or something. Like you're like, oh yeah, you know, grew up didn't grew up with my dad, stuff like that. So but yeah, but now look at this now and do come on.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

Yeah, no, yeah. I think like the last show we played together was in Charlotte because I think that was a crazy circumstance where like you guys all went to Atlanta, but then we just left and went home. Like we just left the tour because we were so coached. Oh dude, I remember I do, I do.

SPEAKER_04 50:52

Yeah, so I mean we were all extremely gassed. Like um, yeah, this this was uh it was like yeah, that was like crazy. I think that was the first tour, like we paid ourselves out, and like it was it was like the biggest deal. And like I remember like Joe's doing the math like in the van, like after the last show, and he's like, yo guys, I'm pretty sure like we can have like 300 bucks each. And we were like, wow, like straight straight to the TV, drop talk about drive-thru. And uh yeah, we were we were kings, dude.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Reason I bring up that Charlotte show is that was the first time I ever broke into Metro Metrolina. So any uh any lost speedways, any lost speedway fans listening, that was I literally took we loaded in, we soundchecked, I took our van, and I'm like, okay, I'm going, I gotta go check something out. I drove over to Metrolina and I went, there was a gate that had like risen with the roots of the trees, had risen like far enough off the ground that I climbed under it. So I was able to climb under it and I got in and I took yeah, it was pretty pretty wild. And flying by the seat of my pants, had something happened to me, wouldn't have been able to play, you know. So it's pretty crazy. But those were like my my days of like breaking into like abandoned speedways everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 52:16

Yeah, I was gonna say you probably were doing that all over.

SPEAKER_03 52:19

Oh, yeah, that that era for sure. And I was constantly, you know, like hopping fences or like doing all kinds, and like the object was to be like as secretive as possible. But native our you know, my band native had this huge 15 passenger white, like brand new white van. So it's like the like the most obvious, might as well just be like a billboard that says, like, hey, this dude's committing a breaking and entering right now. You know what I mean? Like it was so incredibly obvious. So not not that smart in retrospect, but I'm glad I'm glad I made it through. Zach, uh, I've never asked you, and I want to ask you what tell me about like you know, I know you guys started playing in like 2008, and I even have like a memory of you guys playing in the region in like Hammond before we had ever met. Like, I think you maybe played with Doyle's from Cloakroom's old band grown-ups. But what what was the path like of being like a musician growing up and then like forming Daylight with those guys and uh kind of carrying onward?

SPEAKER_04 53:19

Well, so yeah, I mean, I know so there was a little bit of time with Daylight before I had joined up with those guys, so they were definitely doing a little bit of touring, and I while I was in like just kind of bands, like local kind of hardcore bands, like they were adjacent to those guys, and um so yeah, I was more just like acquaintances of that group, Daylight, you know, and I was seeing them playing shows around, and um I think I saw their first show in Sailorsville, and like um Yeah, they were doing some stuff, and at the same time I had been playing in a bunch of bands with friends and doing all kinds of stuff, and uh yeah, then we just you know Jay kind of tricked me one day, he like messaged me on Facebook and was like, dude, you want to jam? And then I was like at work and they're like gonna cook me up later to jam, and he's like, Oh, by the way, like we're gonna jam some daylight songs. And I was like, Well, that's pretty sick. Like, I think what you guys are doing is pretty cool, and um so yeah, I mean, I I joined up with them like right after they had put out that last um 7 inch. So pretty much when I started, we were just jumped right into writing songs together, and then that's the stuff that ended up being the first jar, like LP, the length. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:49

When it when Cloakroom formed in 2012 and we were talking to run for cover, and we would end up working with them, you guys were already kind of like at the forefront of their attention. So like that was kind of my like I did know a ton about you guys beforehand. Obviously, we were from like you guys were from Philly, we were from the Midwest, so there wasn't a lot of like crossed paths, you know. But once you know, once we got integrated into the run for cover orbit, you guys were like there, turnover was there. So can you you remember much of that time, like getting with run for cover, working with those bands? Like you guys were all doing some pretty exciting things at that moment.

SPEAKER_04 55:31

Dude, definitely. Um, yeah, I mean I definitely remember a lot about that time doing stuff, you know, with RFC, and um yeah, it was it was it was a super uh there's just so much going on. Like that's definitely how I got introduced to Cloak Room was I think we were crashing at the RFC like offices in in Boston after a show, and they were like, Oh yeah, we just just been talking to this band, like you should check it out. Um, you know, I think Alex Henry was still like living and working with them at the time, and he was he put me on, and it was like I was like, dude, this is awesome right away. Like, can't wait to meet these guys. And it was cool, like um the kind of the bands at that time that were all everyone was just kind of buddies, and everyone was really just excited to be here and what other people were doing, and I don't know, like the fact that we could all share stages together and you know end up doing some traveling together was just uh it was super cool and um just it's just super exciting. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

I had never experienced that before. Like I, you know, we my old band had come from like a very competitive environment on a record label that was really difficult to deal with at times. So going in the run for cover, which was like fostering all this talent, and they were immediately like, hey, meet this band, meet this band. Oh, you guys should all tour together and this guy's gonna do your music videos. It was really like an eye-opening experience. You like made so many friends right away, you know, that like I mean, we're all still buddies to this day. Like we still see it's crazy, you know. There's the the alumni of RFC is still very strong, you know. Like I feel like we're all we're all still touring together and hanging out at shows and everything.

SPEAKER_04 57:28

Yeah, definitely have made a lot of friends to this day, you know. And yeah, that's uh grateful for that for sure.

SPEAKER_03 57:37

So we wanted to ask you about, and sorry if this is still a sore subject, obviously it's been like 10 years now, but uh the name change, right? Oh yeah, yeah. So we we never we've never talked about this. I this just like happened. Like I just saw it happen on the internet, and before I knew it, there was like copies of Jar with a new band name on it. So this is like at the height, the height of your activity, like you just put out your first debut, you guys are touring everywhere, and all of a sudden you guys change your name. So, what was that time like?

SPEAKER_04 58:10

Uh yeah, I it was I wouldn't really recommend having to change your brand name like once like to release an album. Like that yeah, once you get any kind of momentum going, and then you're just like, oh, let's just uh completely change it. Uh but it was a it was kind of a funny now situation, but at the time it was definitely a pain in the ass. And like I'm glad it happened because I do think ultimately Super Heaven is a better like just band name in general. Like searching for our band when it was called Daylight or like trying to promote anything, it was like, bro, we're just like up like what is you know Wikipedia article. Yeah, it was like the sun. Exactly, exactly. Um so yeah, I mean basically there was another band in Spain. Uh there's like a pop punk band, I guess, or I forget what kind of band they were, but like they owned the trademark to the name Daylight internationally. So after we put out the first record with RFC, we were we were gonna try out something different and put out the record with the we're gonna put out the next record with Sidewon Dummy. Uh and they were like, Yeah, we're not gonna be able to put out this record if it's like you don't even own the name. So you're gonna have to you're gonna have to think of a new name here, guys. And uh yeah, I mean, uh like I said, not ideal, but you know, we we did what we had to do, and I think a lot of people were um just were like, okay, whatever. Like because band names are kind of arbitrary anyways, like we're definitely pretty much out of them at this point, I think. But like uh I don't know. It you know, it worked out, it worked out just fine, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

I I did want to talk to you about so you know, you guys went to Side One Dummy, we would leave, we went to relapse.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:18

So leaving the nest, right? Leaving the run for cover community we just talked about. Like, I know I have a lot of regret, honestly, if I'm looking back on it. Like, I'm you know, I'm grateful to have worked with relapse records is cool, but like I wanna I often wonder if we would have continued the trajectory with run for cover what that might look like today for Cloakrim. You know, for sure. Like I do feel like I do feel like we kind of lost that community and we kind of went and felt like we're more on our own, you know. I was wondering what what you what what what was your experience like leaving and going to a different label at that time?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:59

Yeah, I mean, you know, uh I think at the time we just wanted to do something different, um, but also in that era, I mean, I think we just fell into like kind of definitely like a more of a self uh I don't know, critique or something, or be like, what should we be doing next or something? Like whereas like so like you know, moving to a new label and trying to, you know, now you're working with a manager and like we we have a different booking agent and stuff, it's like we're more trying to do these things. Um and I think what I most liked about the RFC kind of period looking back is going from like that to the sidebond zone was like when we were putting out the stuff, RFC just like we weren't uh we weren't we didn't know anything. So we didn't we weren't aware of like anything to do in with the record business industry people we didn't know any of like we just knew well we just thought we knew what we were doing. So I think I don't know having that experience of like you know when you make a record and you just are totally green, you don't know anything, I think it's it's hard, it's hard once you like start to start to like do the process and like then you set start second guessing things, you start looking side to side at what your peers are doing, and then like I know like just personally like it's hard not to do those things, especially that time, and I had to learn the hard wheel, I had to learn the hard way, I think, not to do that. But um yeah, I don't know. Definitely like a very distinct periods kind of in my mind, even though it's only really like just a couple years removed from each other. But you know, a lot of life can happen in those times, and certainly a lot of time spent on the road together, and um you know that that's good in a lot of musical ways, and you know, in terms of playing, that's awesome. But when you're young and you don't communicate well with you one another, and things start to happen and build, and like you don't address things, like that's when that other stuff just comes more into picture.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

So yeah, I feel like you know you know, my old band native, like we started when we were teenagers, and by the time we would have crossed paths, we were at our breaking point of being like you know, when we did that tour together in 2013, every day was like I'm gonna fight these three dudes by the end of the day. Like there's gonna be just a dust cloud of arms and feet kicking, like it's just gonna be a huge brawl outside of the venue. Yeah. Uh, and that and then that, and then you know, cloakroom for me was like my my adult band. Like, okay, we we've all respectively been through the shit. Now we're getting together, we know how to respect one another, but you guys were you guys didn't form a new band, you guys just stayed that band. Um I know that after you guys put out ours is chrome with Side One Dummy, and then I felt like you guys were just touring a ton, and then all of a sudden you just were gone.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:31

So what led to that hiatus? Was it what you're talking about, like kind of the tension building, like maybe the need for a break?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

Yeah, I mean, I think pretty much yes. I mean, we had we had definitely just put a lot of pressure on ourselves for that second record, and you know, it's it's been really funny because like we're doing a show in Philly here in a it next month to like uh celebrate the anniversary of that record, like 11 years ago somehow. Crazy. Um, and like we so we we've we're playing the whole thing at the show. Uh so finally, yeah, right. Finally, finally running it down all the way. Like, and that's the thing, that's what I'm saying, is it's so funny now. Like we're we're learn we learn a bunch of songs, some of them which we've never played, and like at the end of the practice, we run through them, and we're like, oh this is like not this is pretty good. Like, uh I think I think it's at the at the time we were just like, yo, it's it's it's not enough. Like we didn't we miss this or this or that, or I don't know, just like kind of just lost in the sauce of like just like when it was it's your whole life, you know, and you're like trying so hard, and you're out there every uh every day, and when you're on bigger support tours, you're filling in the off day shows, like you know, it wasn't like a big conversation. conversation as the band to be like what what's next here. I think it was just like uh I don't know, let's just put this down for a second. See what happens. Like let's live some life. Like we did play a a handful of times in like the off years like we would play like you know play like a Planned Parenthood like that if it show or something cool you one-offs here and there like for friends or something like that. But yeah I think just like individually I think just needed some time apart and to live like our individual lives and we used to like all made music outside of that band in that time period too which I think was pretty important for us to just develop more individually because I think we did and still do work together pretty well collaboratively but I think at that time like this weren't excuse me we're just weren't exactly sure maybe 100% like where our own individual voices were in that so you know just can lead to situations where I don't know you want to maybe feel more possessive than you should. So it feels good to be on the other side of that now.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:17

Yeah and I'm actually I'm like selfishly stoked on that because I love Spirit of the Beehive and I feel like that probably wouldn't have happened if not for the hiatus.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:27

Yeah man well Spirit is like their own enigma of a band like I I love playing with that group so much. So it was kind of like coming out of COVID right when they were putting out that record Entertainment Death. So just recently came out like five years ago which is pretty insane. So I feel old now I dude telling me but yeah so I I can't believe I can't believe uh I've been playing with them for five years because I've been such a fan of theirs from like the early days of that them that band like I think I saw I saw one of their first shows when they played as like a three piece and um the Philomoko like a million years ago and loved that first record that they put out and would see him around town and eventually became buds and in 2016 they did a full US tour with Superheaven. So it was like Spirit Spirit and then Creepoid another Philly band and then uh Superheaven we we we did the full US and that was awesome and really became like better friends with them during that tour. Um and yeah just stayed in contact and you know good buddies with with all them and their drummer who I was living with at the time like in 2020 um he was just ready to do some other stuff and I was like bro you should you should not quit and he was like he was like I gotta quit dude a couple weeks later phone rings I'm like all right I'm down I'm down I'm in so let's uh let's talk 2023 I know so you know obviously we'd seen each other at shows like in this in the interim you know like you got you were always diligent you'd always come out to cloak room filly shows I'm a cloak head dude I'm a cloak truther for sure dude we're we're bonded man we're bonded for life you know but uh I feel like I was I was unaware of what was happening in your orbit of superheaven because I'd see you guys like oh we're playing outbreak oh we're doing this I'm like oh cool it's cool that they're playing some shows but I was on like I'm not on TikTok admittedly you know so I I miss I miss this whole thing happening and all of a sudden we get Cloakroom gets the offer to play your guys' 10 year jar anniversary shows right yeah and I'm looking I'm looking at this offer and I'm like damn these are some big rooms like this is like this is ambitious like okay you know cool they're gonna like they're gonna really try to like play some big rooms and then all of a sudden these shows all sell out like instantly and I'm like oh dude something's happening here that I I've completely missed and and then all of a sudden you were you weren't the only one who missed it bro I mean dude I you know from from my perspective of being like in the wood shop and being like oh you're tuned out of the outside world and all of a sudden I'm like dude I mean I've always been a huge advocate for your band and always thought you were due for more attention but then it was just like whoa you know to to watch that happen to my friends yeah basically seemingly overnight what was that experience like for you what when did you start to notice it it happening and then what was the whole process like yeah dude so that that era was really funny I mean so we did play outbreak fest um summer of 2022 we um we got we got an offer to go play that fest and everybody was like you know what that sounds really fun like let's it'd be cool to do that like let's hit let's hit it so we flew over to UK and played like one day at the Fest and then we did like a one off show at like you know just less kind of pub venue like a smaller like 150 or 200 cap joint and um that sold out which was sick like because we hadn't been to England in you know since 2016. So it's like it's a long time and you're like I don't know they're like we gotta offer play this fest like some people still like our band like you know it hasn't been on the front burner of any of our lives for a little bit and uh you know so that was really awesome and that was like okay well like that was that was fun that was cool like people like the shit um maybe we'll maybe we'll consider doing some stuff in the future so I think we you know then the last rest of the year I think just talks amongst ourselves and was like well it's the jar like 10 year anniversary next fall or spring rather like May so we should set up let's try to set up like some anniversary shows and yeah we had to figure we did we had to figure out a bunch of stuff because like we didn't have any of the infrastructure like as a band because we were just like dormant for like so long. So that was like we were totally dusting off like so much shit. Our gear was getting used like in other ways thankfully and you know everybody was pretty much playing this shit but it was like you know we had to figure out how to like get a booking agent for this stuff to like to do to do all the all the all that shit you know because because like it takes a little help you know you need you need somebody on the inside unfortunately so um uh yeah so we and like that was when we hit up you Bobby because we were like we gotta we gotta hit we gotta do some shows with Cloaker and like it'd be so sick. And uh yeah we announced the shows just kind of as normal we announced like a the do then doing the church in Philly which we were like that's kind of ambitious let's see what we can do. It's like legendary spot you know been there a million times and I wanted to go to that so bad. Yeah dude but sold out and then they were like alright we're gonna upgrade it to UT and that was with the first initial kind of things we were like whoa like that's like that's a significant bubble that's a significant bump up you know it's like more than twice the size and um you know I've been able to play there a bunch of times with Super Heaven and other iterations but never like as our show you know what I mean so that was pretty pretty crazy and so like it was around that time leading up to the shows like they were selling really well and I think I will I'm not on like TikTok either but people started sending me stuff being like oh yeah like I I saw I saw your song on on TikTok and stuff like that. And like um yeah I I don't I don't really know what happened first like I or if it was just like I I don't know and who knows how any of this shit happens like truthfully and I think that's that's kind of the magic thing of it is like I don't know like we put out this music so long ago it just kind of like sat in the incubator of just people like sifting through music and generations coming and going and being like yo actually like I kind of bang with this like I don't I I don't know um I think there's I don't know something to be said for like just the magic of it because people like in the biz they try to create that shit and try to be like we can do plants and this or like create the stuff but I don't know the true organic stuff where it's just like people shit gets passed around and like then you're like oh I like this I'm gonna check it out and they're like oh I like the rest of this music too like um that's that's that's been really cool and validating that even though it's like has been like absolutely like there was like huge like TikTok moment with youngest daughter and stuff it's like I'm so fucking glad that when we play the shows like people are having a good time the whole time and it's not just like everybody loves one song and they're just like chill chilling and waiting um so I don't know it's been it's been crazy for sure though. That 20 2023 era was was wild for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:05

Yeah I went to uh one of the shows I think it was after the cloakroom run um and that that was the first time I had seen you guys since the like thinking about big big rooms the last time I saw you guys before that was in Margate at O'Malley's dude are you from with Roswell it was with Roswell kid dude and uh yeah I was there uh that is awesome seriously it was like right after Arger Crow came out and then um I saw these bro dude that place like the smoking bar yeah oh my god outside there was like a kibachi place dude yo there's all the chickens running around the whole back of that yeah bro dude like sound checking in front of like a full townie lineup at the bar just like staring you down smoking steaks like oh man what a spot what a spot there's dudes at the bar that didn't even like pay for a ticket like you could go to the O'Malley's and sit at the bar and not watch the show and then there's kids paying to see the show it's funny as shit crazy setup crazy setup but like yeah and then the next time I see you guys like after the cloak run was at the Roxy in Atlanta and I'm like what the hell like it was it was so cool to see and like obviously all the phones came out for youngest daughter but like that whole room was jumping for everything else and I was loving it.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:27

Dude that's that's cool that's so cool you were you were at both those shows. Yeah the Roxy I love that spot too in Atlanta like I feel like there's a bunch of cool like rooms like that there um but man like yeah that that's so cool that you were you were you were early days with this shit man.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:45

Dude that's why like I'm I you guys are not on TikTok but I am and uh when I saw like I'm like you know mindlessly scrolling through and I'm like wait how do y'all know that song and I'm going in the comments and I'm like oh everybody's like what song is this what song is this and I started sending it to a bunch of different people and I'm like y'all believe super heavens on TikTok now like what the dude like what's next? Brad was it you yeah it was like I'm responsible for sharing it wasn't me that responsible for the trend at all and I was just stoked that like a band that I like did not figure that TikTok kids would like know about was it was happening and I'm like damn that is so random that it's youngest dog of all things like I love that though I love how organic that is yeah yeah you know like it doesn't feel manufactured and it's like God here's this hidden gem.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:38

So it's really cool to hear that story because it like at least it gives me like faith in TikTok you know what I mean like yes here's one not I don't want to say underdogs but it's like yeah you know totally truly underdogs though you know yeah and and it's it's sick because you guys have been able to convert this viral moment into I mean it's it's amazing to see and the and the bridge of the audience isn't like I remember being in New York at the New York show we played together and I'm selling t-shirts after our set and the people that are at this show like yeah there's people we grew up with that are there for the nostalgic like oh yeah sick 10 years I can't believe it's been 10 years but then there's like 16 year olds and like they're getting dropped off by their mom and I'm like sitting there doing the math I'm like oh you were you were in first grade when we were when we were hawking it 10 years ago when we were in our vans together you know so like it's it's it's eye opening man it's really really cool to see and I I mean I'm just I'm elated for you because you're one of us right we're one we're in the same pool. We came from the same background right and it's just like anytime one of us gets a win it's like yeah you know what I mean like absolutely one for the one for the good guys you know so I I've just been when I came to that uh you guys played at the metro in Chicago you know and uh yeah you guys had me out super super cool I just remember sitting in the balcony and watching you guys and just watching the crowd and just like having this like I I don't know if I've been proud like that of my friends before but the sense of pride I had where it's like God like it just felt really good to see you guys have that moment. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:26

Yeah dude I I really appreciate that and I I appreciate you saying that and uh yeah I I mean I remember hanging out at that metro show and um that was that was just super surreal. I mean we're talking like legendary Chicago venue like this is the venue that I you know the first time I ever saw the Metro Chicago was just like watching like whatever that pumpkins live thing that was recorded there like so long ago and you're just like the fact that we're playing our show here is it's just it's too cool. And um you know I do I have had moments like that with with friends bands where you're just like what like what you're describing where it's like you're you know at that at that outbreak fest in 2022 um I was able to watch our friends basement play like the most epic set like I I ever saw them play and it was like you know this was another band that you know we were day ones with like you know two bands in the same van touring the United States for five and a half weeks like I don't know just have done it all and then to be able to stand in the back and just like watch your friends like just totally be doing their thing and have but have everyone else just gotten on board with it is just uh such a cool feeling for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:49

Well I have a I have a sidebar question. Yeah um so in regards to like obviously like you guys did the the 10th anniversary tour and and and kept that momentum going and obviously I think the natural step to that was like oh like screw it let's make a record it's been like you know over like what 11 or 12 years. Yeah and for self-titled I figured there probably like some sort of pressure in like wanting to like make something that isn't that doesn't feel like disingenuous but also doesn't like I don't know like not capture the moment.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:21

And I was curious like is were there a lot of songs from like the in-between time that like made the cut for the new one or is it just like all new written music and like what was that process like yeah um for the new record was like was it was all new written music together that basically came about so yeah like you're saying like we're playing we're playing really good shows and throughout like having practices for those shows um you know you start you know someone's like just playing warming up like getting their amp going playing a riff like I remember distinctly Joe is playing like a a riff on the bass he's like our resident uh riff lord and he um I love that yeah he's always he's always riffing on something but yeah so he was playing something and it was just like and we all kind of just end up kicking off just jamming on something and then we just put a little something together like oh this part might be cool if we did this and then you know you record a live demo and then you're like off a rehearsal that's badass. I'm just like you're like you're like oh wow we we're uh we're we're still a band I think we we still we're pretty good yeah we might be able to do this we're still there yeah and like not in a way that I didn't think we could but it was just like I hadn't for that experience with Superheaven specifically I hadn't had that experience in such a long time it had been 10 years you know since like we got to put our heads together on something put a couple mics up at just like the studio just to do like a live raw recording and then listen back and be like there's a sound here that I didn't really like as a when you're ha when you're playing it you know you don't hear it as much but listening back you're like we got we got a we got a sound going here so we just um I love that kind of kept it rolling and uh would write um and like now more so than ever we've always been a really collaborative band with one another but definitely coming back to writing together um it's been really fun and we we definitely just it feels like it's like I don't know it's always been like a very like democratic like even split kind of a band like it's gotta be unanimous or it's we're not gonna do it kind of thing. And um even even music more so musically with this one it was like just kind of throwing out stuff just trying to make it make it as good as we can and um following some threads even though if they don't pan out to anything it's like it takes less time to just try something in most situations rather than talk about the reasons why you don't think it would work or some shit. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:17

Wise words yeah that's well this is another personal question. Alright my absolute like all time favorite Superheaven song to the point where um I'm not gonna show anybody but I've learned that song on bass. I've been bored is like absolutely and you guys don't play it at all.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:33

Like what it what's what's the vibes do you hate the song what what's the what's going on all right listen I don't hate this song um we it's funny we we played the song a bunch like around the time when Arzus Chrome came out and we eat we did bust it out a couple times last year. I don't know you know what so I it's funny like really in my podcast bag right now uh I just did the so Taylor and Jake from Superheaven they have a podcast called Quit Your Band. And I heard of it. Yeah so they um because we're doing like the anniversary chrome show me and Joe went on their pod so we talked about ours is Chrome and a bunch of stuff. So that should be coming out soon. But and we do talk about the reason I bring it up is we talk about this song specifically and like why we do we don't play it as much um and like I can't say there's like a good reason man like some of us just don't love it. Like I'm in the part I'm in the side that like would be down but um I don't know I think I think the main thing is like some people think it's too long. I don't know dude here like being in a band is so weird dude like because what you think is different than what like the people that are listening to your music think but like and like that's the point but like I I I it's funny when like they don't line up and you're like dude I have beef with that opinion that it's too long because if that's too long why does poor Eileen have like dude like three choruses the issue is the choruses. The issue is the choruses so I don't know I don't know dog and I've pitched like oh let's just play it let's just play it like shorter I don't care like I I no one's even gonna notice you know what I mean like like it'd be fine exactly um so listen I'll put in a good word for you I really will um I can't be at that tenure show so I can't like because you guys are gonna play it first obviously so I can't just be like oh you're just gonna quench me like that I'm not gonna be there to wait some other time to hear it. Dude I might have to put up a camera for you then if we you know if that's the only way we can get it but we want to pick your

SPEAKER_03 1:28:00

brain about we do new music friday we do pitch me a band you know what what is on the horizon what are you listening to that like that's coming up that you're excited about and then you got to pitch us a band we might not know man so you you texted me this and then I all all of a sudden I got stressed out dude there's homework all of a sudden there's homework you know it's like all of a sudden it's like oh no I gotta find some new music what is like an artist that that you love that you feel like like people don't really know about in general could be like all time damn okay and just tell us why we should listen to it like pitch us on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:48

Alright um I don't know just first thing that pops in my head one of my favorite bands that I feel is under underlooked or maybe I don't know even maybe in just in current current times but definitely one of my favorite bands uh is that band Autolux they uh they put out a few records in like the early late 2000s and then they put out a record up just not too long ago in the recent years and man oh man they've always been one of my absolute favorites and I feel like they're they don't get enough love. I saw them I saw them I think the name of the record they put out is called like Pussy's Dead or something a few years ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:39

And I think it's like a Sopranos reference or something weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:42

Yeah yeah something like that. Yeah but yeah um you know they're playing I go to see this the the tour in Philly and like this this is the first time I've seen the band play and uh I've been listening for years and like I'm like in my head I'm like this thing's gonna be like a ripper show sold out absolutely like how could it not be like and uh it's like just criminally unattended and I'm like what the hell what the hell is going on and uh I just know there's so many bands like that um that you're just like uh damn this is this is like good music that I I just feel like I connect to and uh yeah so that that's a band that I I would say people should check out um I feel like they probably influenced a ton of bands um cloakroom I mean yeah that was one of the first bands we all agreed on that was kind of what started I think I think Brian Bush our original number was playing Autolux at the warehouse that he and Doyle worked at and Doyle was like who's playing Autolux in here and that was when they bought it and decided to jam so like that started Cloakroom honestly nice dude wow very cool that's that's a cool connection yeah if you could like paint a picture what kind of flavor are they like what are you doing when you slap these guys on well I mean from being a drummer um their drummer is absolutely hands down one of my favorite current drummers going Carla Azar is her name and um feel for days like it's crazy. But so like always there's like that the rhythmic element to everything that's happening is is is awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:25

And um one of their members uh is Steve Greg Edwards and he's he's he's around a lot in a bunch of other bands he's second he plays guitar at a failure he I know he plays he's he plays guitar touring with a bunch of other bands like I can't even remember like um but like I don't know that kind of world um and so I don't know they uh what the sound what's the sound though dude like uh it's they are the like it is very 90s reminiscent like obviously from Greg Edwards having that you know failure was like on on an overlooked band in the 90s sort of like Hum like a one-hit wonder so they were kind of at the back end of grunge like when grunge kind of started to take that like space rock turn weird in the mid 90s so Greg kind of carried that over but Carla the drummer as Zach was saying like she brings like a jazz element to it which gets it like it really throws it like off kilter in a way that like it makes them like one of one I think that pairing makes them one of one you know true like an actually unique band. Yeah yeah that's awesome definitely they you know their melodies are very rooted in the 90s what you know like what tickles your brain from the 90s but like like I said her presence alone just makes them like uh they don't really fit in the mold they're kind of like you know what I mean they're kind of yeah so and there's a lot of cool like electronic elements to them too they've got like some cool you know they've got great beats and like a lot of great synth work and just there's like there's a lot there for everybody. Oh yeah yeah lots of cool fuzz bass like yeah riffs and yeah they got it they got it all that would be that's a bucket list for cloakroom if we ever got to play with them like when they did that last album and they were touring I tried so hard to like just just like we'll play before the show even starts. Just like let us be in the room you know and like it just did not happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:30

So if that ever does happen that might be like well we're good we we've done everything we need to do you know totally totally yeah yeah I could see it though and I I saw they're like teasing new music every once in a while so man like I could see it and um yeah you can just will that one into existence you know yeah hopefully we got a new failure record on the horizon speaking of failure so that hopefully yeah hopefully that leads to some activity you know but yeah super cool got to got to what got to watch failure play last year at a festival that was uh super cool sound amazing what a band yeah what a band yeah well wrapping things up Zach thank you for your time dude thanks for kind of helping us usher in a new era of the pod being our first guest you know absolutely i'm I'm happy to talk to you guys and you know grateful you guys would ask me to come on i hope I hope we did okay I hope I didn't get like too rambly or anything like that I don't know brilliant I would say it's brilliant we're honored it's great thanks guys and that was Zach Robbins my gosh what a conversation it was such a pleasure to have him on and really to see him open up too and just to comment on Bobby how well you know him it was so wonderful to see that background and that dance between the two of you talking about your history together and kind of his experience and Brad your fandom to shine and for his excitement to leap off the screen and and obviously in our ears as well it was just so wonderful to have him on the show today.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:15

Yeah no I agree I mean it was kind of a lob just because I know Zach super well you know but like a lot of that stuff we've never really talk about. You know like and and it's cool also like when we're talking about our ancient history together like to get his perspective on a lot of those things that was happening. Because like you know we're we're always just current events like we don't do a lot of reminiscing and I've definitely never talked to him about them changing their name and them leaving the them going to the record lab. Like all these things that were really interesting to kind of get his take on you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:48

And I was just glad to like finally peel back the layers of like all the music that I've listened to like through the years and and get like his honest opinion on stuff. And I I rarely get to talk to the people that have made like some of my favorite music and and having that opportunity was pretty cool and like I don't I barely get starstruck man I was starstruck. I was like man I I really really wanted to to get a lot of that the those questions out there so I think it was super sick and yeah hopefully we can uh make something happen get get to a race and hang out.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:20

Yeah we definitely need to make a a full team hangout happen this season.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:25

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