Space for Renascence with Laura Haining: Surviving the Vegas Shooting and Shifting Mindsets

In this episode of Space for Renascence, host Felicity Williams speaks with Laura Haining about how surviving the 2017 Las Vegas shooting changed her approach to life and work. Laura discusses the immediate events of that night and how the experience led her to make practical changes in her career, daily habits, and personal boundaries.

Laura shares how she stopped drinking alcohol, condensed her working hours, and eventually trained as a positive psychology coach. She also explains how she now runs her own coaching business, which includes local "walk and talk" groups.

Key Topics Discussed:

• Surviving a Mass Shooting: Laura recounts her experience during the 2017 Las Vegas shooting while on a family trip.
• Gun Laws and Perspectives: A discussion on the differences between gun legislation in the UK and the US.
• Career and Mindset Changes: How the event prompted Laura to apply for new jobs, negotiate her salary, and change her working hours.
• Lifestyle Shifts: Why Laura decided to stop drinking alcohol in 2019 and prioritize physical exercise.
• Coaching and Community: Laura’s transition into positive psychology coaching and setting up free community walking groups.

Connect with Laura:

• Instagram: @thecoachinglog 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Hello and welcome to Space Forendics. I'm Felicity Williams, and I'm so glad you've stepped into this space with us today. This is a podcast dedicated to quiet, honest stories of personal transformation. We're here to slow down and explore the before and afters of life, the moments where our perspective shifts, our mindsets evolve, and we begin to grow into a new version of ourselves. It's about honouring the journey of becoming who we are meant to be. Today I'm joined by a very special guest, Laura Haining. Laura, I've been looking forward to our conversation and hearing more about the path you've walked. Thank you so much for being here and for being willing to share your story with us today. To start things off, I'd like to do just a small check-in. How are you feeling in your world today?

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Hi, Flick. I'm feeling good today. Um yeah, it's a Friday today, so I don't work on a Friday. I love my day job, but I don't work on a Friday, so that's quite nice. Yeah, I'm feeling good today. I've had a good week um and I've managed to do all the things that I do for my well-being this week, so that's been nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

To get us started then, when you're saying about things that you've done for your well-being, what would they look like on a normal week?

SPEAKER_00 1:12

So a normal week for me, I work Monday to Thursday. I will go at half five and do a 5k run every morning to set me up for the day. I used to just do every second day, but then I would feel the difference in the days that I didn't do it, and I thought, I'll just do it every day. So that really sets me up for the day. And then on a Monday evening, I don't really have anything kind of scheduled on a Monday evening, so I like to keep that before just like walking my dog and getting an early night, and yeah, so that's always nice. And on a Tuesday night and a Wednesday night, I go to some weights classes, so I do that. Uh so I've managed to do all of that, and I'm going to go to the extra weight class tonight because I don't have anything on tonight. Yeah, and I've gone and got my nails done this morning, so I do that for my well-being as well. Uh I do that every kind of four weeks, so yeah, that's I've had a good week.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Oh, that's wonderful, it's very healthy. Very I like to hear that. Thank you for joining me today. So, you've got quite a delicate uh story that you're going to share with us. So, how would you like to discuss your story with us today?

SPEAKER_00 2:18

I think uh it's actually quite fitting today because today is actually the 30th anniversary of the Dunblane shooting today, and I'm going to be speaking about uh being involved in the 2017 Vegas shooting. So I didn't realise when we had booked this date, and it was this morning. I was like, oh, it's the anniversary, and because I don't stay too far from there, it's quite a big date here in Scott. So yeah. So in 2017, we went to Las Vegas for my mum and dad's 40th wedding anniversary. Um, we got married in Vegas in 2013, and we absolutely loved it. Got married by Elvis, the Football Works, so it was great. So we decided to go back for my mum and dad's 40th wedding anniversary, which was in 2017. So on the final night of our trip, uh we went out for dinner, and when we were walking back to our hotel, there was a country music festival taking place in our hotel uh that night, that weekend, um, and we had actually planned to get tickets for it because I'm a bit of a country music fan as well, but decided that last night we would just go out for dinner instead. And the night before we had been to a college football game, and we'd already been to another kind of music festival while we were there, so we decided against it. But as we were walking back to our hotel, which was where the music festival was taking place, we were going down the escalators, and I remember a taxi driver with his open window shouting, There's a shooter, there's a shooter, and I thought I looked at my husband and I was like, What? So we were there, like myself, my husband, one of my brothers and his friend and my parents. My husband and I were kind of ahead of my parents and my brother walking with his friend, and we all kind of looked at each other and were like, But it was like a stampede of people coming towards us as well, and it was just so chaotic. The scene in my mind is just so chaotic. My brother's friends turned and ran back the way because my parents were quite a bit behind us, and I was like, Where are you going? And as we approached the hotel, people just rushing towards us, people shouting, No, don't go in there, it's too close, and just not knowing what to do. We went into the hotel, and some of the staff in the hotel were saying, If you come to the conference room, we can all just gather in the conference room. And my immediate thought was I am not going into a conference room with hundreds of people. I do not know when somebody is shooting an automatic weapon. So we went into the lift, but the scenes were just undescribable. So we go into the lift with people screaming, people covered in blood. So we get up in the lift, go into our room, put on the news, and it's obviously it's on the news, the helicopters are out, the sirens are gone, you can hear the gunshots, just not knowing what to do. And my husband saying, I'm going to go back out there, we need to get your parents. And but we had to stay, but even staying in the room was really concerning because nobody knew where the shooter was at this point. So on the news, it was getting reported that they could be travelling about, they could be on foot, they could be in another hotel, there's more than one, all of this stuff because the amount of um rounds of uh shots that were getting fired, but then it turned out that you had several automatic weapons all set up at the one time, so that's why it was constant, just not really known. And then the SWAT team was in our hotel. Um I was terrified that somebody was going to come at the door. They've got obviously the SWAT team over there, they've got weapons, like you don't know who anybody is, just really panicked, like terrifying, really terrifying. Um, and obviously not ever thinking you're going to be in that situation. What do you do? We managed, it was 2017, and like phones were fine, like you had WhatsApp and stuff, but it wasn't like as advanced as it is now. So we managed to find out that my mum and dad and my brother and his friend were over in a hotel across the road. They had gone in there, but again, nobody knew where the person that was shooting people was, and all these rumours came about that they were on foot, and then obviously family back home. It was ten o'clock at night over there, so it was like seven, eight in the morning here, and we started getting messages from home. Oh my god, are you okay? That's a hotel you're staying in, and but not wanting to worry people either. But we didn't know what was going on. My parents eventually got back over. My brother came to our room and we went out into the hall look the hallway, and there was a guy walking about, no shirt on, covered in blood. But at the same time, my brother was like, But we don't know if who's shooting people, like we don't know who anybody is, and should we approach anyone? And I had asked if he was okay, and he got quite upset, and he was like, He was in shock. The guy was in shock, and he said, Oh, my friends have been shot, I don't know what to do. So he got in the lift with us, and I said, Well, if you go to reception, there'll be first responders will be there and they can help you. And so he was like, Oh, where are you from? Where's that voice from? And I said, Oh, just outside Glasgow. And he went, Oh, it happened once in your country, didn't it? And I said, They changed the laws, didn't they? And I said, Yeah, they changed the laws after Dunblane. He was like, Wow, he says it happens all the time here and nothing's changing. And I thought, Oh, that must be so frustrating to live. That's a real possibility when people are going about their daily life. You could get shot, like it's just unimaginable for us because 30 years ago that happened and the laws changed. But for it to happen repeatedly is just it's crazy. And then even when we come home, I remember watching somebody getting interviewed on the news here, and it was a family member of somebody who had died was getting interviewed by the BBC, and they had said, So how do you feel about the gun laws then? And they said, What do you mean? And they said, Do you think there needs to be stronger enforcement? And he went, No, it's for constitution. And the reporter said, But you've just lost a family member. Yeah, but it's in our constitution that you're allowed to bear arms, so that's a concern. But yeah, we managed to get down into my mum and dad's room and get the news on over there, but the helicopters were going and the sirens were gone for hours, and it was just so strange like to be in that environment, that situation. Um, and the news reporting over there was very much focused on what was the motive for this. And I was thinking, it doesn't really matter what their motive was, they were able to do it. They have been able to have enough weapons to walk into a hotel with a a large number of weapons in their suitcases, go up to a room set up, and it was the deadliest mass shooting in American history. 50 people lost their lives, and several more injured, and we didn't have any physical wounds, but it's been absolutely life-changing. Like, I still can't hear sirens without feeling a bit uneasy, um, and just to be in that environment, like where everything is so unpredictable. It's just you don't know what to do, and you've obviously you've got loved ones there, but we were coming home the next day. So the next day we got up in Vegas that we know wasn't the same, it was all the screens, like the kind of screens on the strip were black, and it just said Vegas strong on it, and it was just bizarre. And we went down for breakfast, and like they weren't charging anybody for breakfast, or everything was like, okay, what can we do? And the sense of community felt really strong, but at the same time, I thought this is just so misaligned with this has been able to happen. There's a degree of responsibility here that nobody is putting their hands up and saying this needs to change. You can mourn and you can do all the kind of posts on social media and all the rest of it about how tragic this has been, but it was able to happen and it's still happening. Every time I hear a news report of there's been a shooting at a school or college, you think and that was like 2017, and that was 50 people by a single gunman because of the way he had set it up, was able to kill so many people, and then the news reports came out that he was on his own doing it and he had been shot. The usual is that the perpetrator is always shot at the scene, so you never really get the nitty-gritty of what's going on, and then it's in the news for a wee while and then it moves on, and then another shooting happens and it kind of moves on. That has been a major kind of life-changing moment and a total mindset shift for me when that happened, and even now that I remember that date, like I'll remember that date for forever. And we were coming home the next day, and we come home, and there was news reporters at Glasgow Airport, like waiting for the flight to come in. But I was like, there was people stopping to talk to them, and it was like it's not something I talk about an awful lot because it's just feelings about it are so mixed that it's really strange. But there was people that were like, I'll get my five minutes of fame out of this, but I wonder how close they were to it. But it wouldn't like deter me from going back. I don't feel that way, and I would be unsafe, or I probably wouldn't go to America at the moment for other reasons, but I don't think that would put me off going back to Vegas at any point. But um, yeah, it's been a major shift for the way I view things and the kind of perspective I've got on life for sure.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Wow, I really heard what you're saying there, and it is there there's a complete misalignment with responsibility and the outcome, isn't there? Where even though they've had family members get shot and die, and the mourning happens afterwards, and so everyone is sad and upset and have those feelings, yet they still it's as if that's just how it is.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

That's um and it it feels like they they have no options. There is no options here. This is how it is, but there are options, like yeah, you've seen it happen here. My father-in-law has got a gun license and he shoots for like farms and things like that, but they're locked away. I've never even seen them. He uses them for work purposes and that's it. But he's very kind of paranoid about it as well, and making sure that his certificates are all up to date and that he's enough to have them and that kind of thing. And if at any point he didn't feel that, then he would give up his licence. There are options there, but they just don't seem to want to take them, it's just part of life over there, I think.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Yeah, their culture, an event like that can make the world feel really small and unsafe. How did you begin to find your space again, not just physically but mentally, to feel like you could move forward from this?

SPEAKER_00 12:28

I think before we went, I was in a job that I loved. I did the work for a mental health charity in Glasgow. I'm really lucky I've loved every job that I've ever had. But pay-wise, commuting-wise, it didn't suit, it really didn't. Um but I kept doing it because I really did love it. But I came back and I thought to myself, something's got to shift here. There was a job that was a wee bit more local, it was like shift work. I hadn't ever really done shift work, and I thought I'm just going to apply for that and see what happens. Um, really anxious about interviews, I didn't like them at all. I felt like really a lot of pressure, and quite often I would come second an interview. It was like we really liked you, but so that happened a lot. My mindset had totally shifted, like from that. I think it was like maybe a month later, I had an interview for the job, and I went up and I remember sitting in the car, and I remember it vividly, and I was like, What are you worrying about? You could have been shot on your holidays. There are so many people that have not gone home from that. So, what are you worrying about? You're going to go in, you know what you're talking about, your job. Like, I work in social care, if I have done for years, you're not going to say anything that's going to be wrong. So I went in and it was great. And even from going in and speaking to the woman working on reception, everything about it was just I left feeling as if I already worked there, and it was like a total shift. And I was like, okay, I've done that and I'd really enjoyed it. And even the rapport I had with the people interviewing me, I was so relaxed. It was like a total 360. And I came away feeling really proud of myself, but also thinking, yeah, this is if something's not ticking a box, like it needs to go, like it's not things are just time, is just so precious. Nobody's promised a tomorrow, are they? People say that all the time, but it's so true about how fragile things are. So that night I got a phone call to offer me a job above the post I had gone for. So I was like, Wow, okay, I'm not second place. I said to her on the phone, I was like, that's not the job I interviewed for. And she went, No, but we need leads on this, like, we need lead practitioners as well as support workers. So we wanted to offer you a lead post. And I was like, All right, okay. Total shift. Like, I had been working in assistant posts for so long, but doing jobs above and not getting paid for it for so long just because I was like, I'm just lucky to have this. And and then after that, like I did that for 18 months, and then the shifts didn't work for me. I got to my bed really early, and um my back shift was just oh, it was terrible. It was working in a residential setting with young people who had trauma-based behaviours. A back shift would be putting them to bed. I struggled with that because I'm in my bed early and they didn't want to go to bed, so that wasn't really working. I loved the job. If it could have been day shift every day, I would have been fine. So I left there and I went for a post with a charity to design a youth homelessness prevention service in a partnership with a local authority. Similarly, I went for the interview. But at this point, I enjoyed interviews, I was this new person that enjoyed them. So went into that interview, really enjoyed income away, and they were looking for a team leader on that one as well. So I actually got offered a team leader post for that. So that happened again. I went for a job for a kind of support role, income away with a team leader role. Yeah, that worked out good as well. And then I left that because it was lottery funded and the funding ended, so it was always a kind of fixed-term project to design that service. So that was fine when the funding was ending for that. But before I would have been really anxious that I wouldn't, like, oh no, the funding's going to end, I'm going to be without a job. What am I going to do? But that wasn't what motivated me in my interviews. Like, before I would have been like putting so much pressure on myself because it was like, you need to get this, like anything you go for, you need to get. So that wasn't the case because I had a different mindset when I went for the interview for the job that I've got just now. Again, really enjoyed it, had a great time. And yeah, so I got offered a post. I had said to them I work four days, so I'd need to condense my hours. That's what I do just now, and this is a salary I'm on, so I couldn't accept it for any less than that. But I came away and I thought, who am I? Worked out because I've got my condensed hours, and I actually got offered a salary above what I was on. And again, just total mindset, total mindset stuff, nothing else. Wasn't doing anything different. I was just being more confident in myself. And at the time, you feel a bit wobbly saying these things, but that's the reality of it. Like I wouldn't have been able to accept anything less than the salary I was on. So there's no point in me sitting there pretending that I could. And it's just being aware of those things. And my husband and I are both the same now. Like after Vegas, it's if something's not ticking the boxes, it's time to move on. It's not happening. At the end of last year, uh the year before, even there was proposed cuts to my day job. Third sector were quite vulnerable. The cuts were to go ahead, so I thought this is going to happen again, another redundancy. So I have to do something to kind of safeguard myself against that. So that's why I enrolled on the positive psychology coaching course that I completed in the summertime. So I've done that and was doing all right, ticking along, but being third sector, I've not got a business brain at all. So I started a business mastermind in January as well. And again, that's a total mindset shift from the year before I was really kind of worried about finances and things to sign up for the coaching course because it's quite expensive. I was like, Oh, I don't know, but I need to do something. And then when I signed up for the business, the um the mastermind, I was like, I didn't even think twice. I was like, I'm doing that, I need to do that, but had a kind of wobble where I thought, when's the next one starting? And the woman that takes the starts in June, the next didn't take. I was like, all right. And then I had a word with myself, I coached myself, and I said to myself, You could be finished by June. What are you doing? So signed up and I started at the beginning of January and we're nearly three months in. But it all stems back to that incident in Vegas that 100% just all goes back to that because I'm now of the mindset that if something's not working, it's not staying, it's not taking up space where there isn't the energy for it, or there isn't, and even in terms of I'm alcohol-free as well. So I went alcohol free in 2019, uh, two years after Vegas, because again, that wasn't doing anything for me like anymore. It was it was taken from me or was taking like three-day hangovers and things, it doesn't matter how much I had to drink. So again, I was like this new mindset that doesn't align with that, doesn't that's not who I want to be. Like, I want to be able to use all this time and this energy that I've got to feel good and and do things for my well-being that feel good. Uh society tells you you need a wine on a Friday night. I don't like I don't need to feel rubbish on a Saturday, I'd rather go out and go for a run or something. So everything in that I've got in my life just now, I would say, stems from that mindset shift, and it was massive. It was one of those moments in your life that you can almost feel it happening. It's this is a shift. And I remember sitting in the airport in Vegas to come home the next day, and from where we were sitting, waiting to board the flight, you could see the window that the guy had shot from. You could see it uh smashed out, and I remember looking at it thinking, wow, like that is just it's let's slid indoors because the day before we were at the college football game and we got off a bus at the exact time that the shooting started 24 hours later, we got off a bus in that exact spot, and you're thinking, Wow, that is just there's something out there looking after you. Yeah, and even getting home and seeing photos of people that had uh lost their lives in it, um, and recognizing some of them from being at the pool the day before as well. Yeah, and you think they were there, they were having a great time and they were they were there for the weekend, as a lot of Americans do Vegas for a weekend and they've not gone home. So yeah, we've been lucky enough to get home. So live your life and take up space where you know your energies aligned with what you want to do instead of uh messing about with taking up time with things that that don't matter as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

But yeah, going through something like that really does show you just how precious and short our lives are, don't you? And like you mentioned, the some of the people that you saw in the photos were people that you've been by the pool with, and just seeing how you light up now with the way that you talk about your perspective and your mindset now, it's almost like you're glowing. So if someone else went through something like that, what piece of advice would you give them?

SPEAKER_00 20:40

I think it's you need to process it as well. And yeah, I'm not an overly dramatic person like in my life, and I never have been. That's not something new. I'm just not, I'm not one of these people that would be desperate to tell people that I was there or this to speak to the TV reporters or anything. I think it's just been about processing it like ourselves as well, and it's something that comes up every so often that me and my husband will talk about, or me and my mum will talk about, or things like that. It comes up sometimes, like today. Like I'd said to my mum, Oh god, it's 30 years since I'm playing today. And she was like, Oh, I know. Um and then she was like, Oh, you can't imagine like those poor children, like we were in that a similar situation, but they were obviously in an enclosed space with the shooter as well, and it just makes you think it's just it is so fragile and that is so precious. And I've met people in my day job that I've lost, like I've had a woman who lost her son, terrible traffic accident, like he went out to pick up a pizza and he never came home, and it is that fragile, and everybody processes things differently, and I think it's about doing what works for you, like now for me. Like, it's not like I don't lean on alcohol or anything like that to cope with feelings like that. It's more I I move my body and do things like that. So it's just about finding what works for you and speaking about it as well. As I say, I don't it's not something I speak about loads, but it's there and I'm aware of it, as I say, when I hear it. A siren, I'm aware of it, it takes me right back. That's the first thing I think of when I hear a siren, and it's um where I used to work in Glasgow was on the kind of road down to a hospital, so there were sirens going all the time. And when I first got back, I was like, I found that really difficult. But being able to acknowledge that and not be like, Oh, okay, that's not happening. It's just it's everybody's different, and it's about finding what works for you if you want to speak about it, if you want to. I read a lot about it when I got home, like checking like the news about it and stuff while it was still in the news, and yeah, but I think it is it's just about what find you find what works for you. It's like you lose someone like really close to you, or how you deal with stressful situations, and it probably has changed that for me because nothing's gonna be as frightening as that. Nothing. Like, so it has totally changed things for me, like things that I maybe would have got stressed about before. I'm like, let's just work through that. What's the worst that's gonna happen here? And I was brought up like my mum and dad are they would have been like in a peace and love and hippies, and my mum and dad are very like when we were brought up, like nothing's gonna be nothing's gonna happen that you can't sort out, we can't speak about, we can't unless you're coming home and you're telling me that you've really really hurt someone or something, then that's not okay. But there's always a way through things, and I think like for that to have been with them when it happened as well, it's like a kind of shared experience, but everybody deals with it differently. So it's just about finding what kind of works for you and a day at a time, isn't it? That's what they say, like when you're dealing with things like that, because no two days all look the same, but so yeah, it's taking those small steps forward, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Realising that we are still here and we still do have the rest of our beautiful lives to live together, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Well, thank you, thank you very much for sharing your story with us. So you've set up you've set up a coaching business as well now, haven't you? So that you can get back. So why don't you tell us a little bit about this? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

As I say, I went alcohol free in 2019. So when the cuts were getting suggested for my work, I would listen to the Andy Ramage podcast, and then there was one day like I had a total meltdown when the cuts get announced because I was like, Oh no, this is happening again. So I was like, What am I gonna do? So that lasted for about a night. I was quite upset, just that negativity bias that you automatically go to, but that's okay, it's just about how long you spend there, isn't it? The next day I thought, what are you gonna do? This can't keep happening. So it was funny. I was on my run and I was listening to a podcast, and it came up an advert for the coaching, and I was like, Oh, because I've always wanted to do something like that. Like people would quite often say to me, 'Are you a counsellor?' or no, I'm not like so. I thought, why don't I go and do my coaching certificate and see if I can build something out of that? So I started that in the January. So that was the December that the Cutscape proposed, and I started that in the January. So that ran from January until June, and it it was great. I loved it. It was like one uh Saturday a month I would do the training day, and then it was lots of coaching hours, building up your practice and all of that. Um, and then I took on some pro bono clients and I really enjoyed that, and then one of them had requested to do a walk while we were doing a coaching session, and that gave me the idea to do a walk and talk. So now in my coaching business, I offer a free walk and talk as well. Twice a month, it was on a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon once a month from October there, and we had the last one in March. But over the summer, we're going to do more challenging ones. So in the area, I live near Loch Loman, so lots of nice walking spots round about. I had said to the women that we'd do one a month, and it would be from April until July, just taking in a wee bit more of a challenge and a longer walk. So we're going to do that. And I've just designed some workshops, I'm just getting a website finished. Um yeah. So I'm on Instagram as the coaching lock. So if anybody wants to look me up, that's where and yeah, it's just been really fun. I actually had to go coached into having an Instagram because I was dead worried about what people would think of it. Because I'm not I'm from that generation that we didn't have social media, yeah. But I love it, it's just so nice. I go on and I just I like telling a story, bit of a storyteller, so I like going on and telling my wee stories, and it's just been really fun to be a bit more creative. But I started my business uh coaching course in January there, so that's pushing me out my comfort zone a wee bit as well, because I've now got a website and I didn't think I would have because I don't like tech. And um yeah, I've got and we're three months in and I've done all of this kind of stuff that I didn't think I would be doing, and but it's been great, I've really enjoyed it, and I love the coach and I get such a buzz out of it, it's just amazing, and I can do it alongside my day job uh for the moment as well, which is lovely because I love my day job as well. So it's the best of both worlds I've got just now.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

And that's the beauty of coaching, isn't it? It's the beauty of giving back, is that you can talk through the things, and even when you're coaching someone, you're learning from them while they're learning from you, and it just opens this whole new world and this it brings, like you were saying earlier, it brings the mindset up, doesn't it? Where it gives you more positivity and also what you're offering, going for a walk and walking and talking. What could be more beautiful than that?

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Yeah, it's great, and the women get so much from it. That's my kind of free offer as a walking talk because I would be going for a walk anyway. And so many of the women that have came have said, I'm so glad you've set this up because I love walking, but I would never go myself. And for me, that's quite ealing. I go running myself at half five in the morning. I've got high vis on head to toe, but I'm still out there on my own. So for me, I was like, So why is that? Like, why would you not go a walk on your own? And they were like, I just don't feel confident enough to go out. And I would think that people would wonder why I was just walking about myself, and just that whole idea that people would find it a bit odd that they were out walking on their own. Um so yeah, but some of the things that the women have done now, like one of them joined this theatre group and she's going to be on a play, and she's like, and she was like, I've taught this has been totally because of this walking group and speaking to other women. Like, I I've now got the confidence to do that because of the kind of chats we've been having and stuff that's given her the kind of boost to go and do that, which is amazing. Yeah, yeah. And it just adds a bit of routine to some of the women's weeks as well, like the week that it's on, they're like, Oh no, I'm definitely going to that. And last week was the last one of that kind of block. We actually walked to a local cafe that's a new social enterprise in the area. So we walked along the river and then went in there and we had a week of coffee and a cake, and it was just lovely, and I love it, it's great. It's really nice for building that kind of part of the business as well, that you're able to give back, like to the local community as well. Because that's big for me because I am a third sector background. Sometimes the charging part of it makes me feel a bit uncomfy because I'm not I'm third sector. That's I've had to be coached on that as well. So I feel better that I'm able to offer a free part of the business as well, which is nice.

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Yeah, that's beautiful. No, that's absolutely beautiful, and thank you so much for sharing so much with us today. It's been a real privilege to hear about your journey and all the outcomes, the beautiful outcomes that you've had and you've been able to share and are still able to share through your through your coaching business. Before we go, I just want to add a little disclaimer that I'd like to share a gentle reminder: the stories and insights we share in this space are deeply personal and are here for your inspiration and reflection. As you listen, I invite you to take only what truly resonates with your own heart and well being. Every path is unique and it's always important to lean into what feels right for your own journey. To everyone listening, thank you for being here with us. I hope today's conversation gave you a little bit more room to breathe and reflect on the quiet changes in your own life. Thank you very much and take care. Bye bye.