Are Superman & Spider-Man really...INVINCIBLE?

Join us today on Beyond the Pull List as Clayton's excitement for Superman, Spider-Man #1 starts to fade, what could this mean? Was the wait for this historic release worth it? Also, we break down the Spider-Man Brand New Day trailer, and what threat is incoming for our favorite web head. And by popular request, we review the first half on INVINCIBLE season 4. Let's get Pulling!

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We are back!

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Hello everybody, my name is Paul. I'm Clayton. And you're listening to the Beyond the Pool list podcast. We are back. Woo! And we've got some new fancy equipment. If you're if if things are working out, if our equipment sounds good, then that means everything worked properly. If it doesn't, then it didn't. Um we I'm borrowing my recording equipment and my whole setup for that I use on Real Takes, which is my other podcast, um, to record this episode. We're gonna give it a test run to see if it works really good. And if it does, then we will be hopefully bringing this back more often and maybe have our own. Crazy how that works.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Was that just there for a little plug for your Real Takes podcast?

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Is that it actually wasn't? I was I want because I because here's my thing is if if if if we use this and it works, and then in the next episode we don't have it because like we just don't have the gear, because we're we're sharing this with some people, and I just don't want people to be like, why did the quality get good and then get not good?

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Right. So get not good.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

So hopefully uh we'll be using this more often, and hopefully um we'll be just getting to use it. This will be a more thing, regular thing. Right. So if it if the quality downgrades in the next episode, just stick with us. It's gonna go back up. We're working on it. We're working on it very slowly.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

But more importantly, today we have some big, big stuff to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

So much stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Yes. Uh we have you want to break it down real quick, what we're gonna talk about today. I think you want to break it down. I do want to break it down. I'm gonna let you break it down. Go ahead. This is this is a big episode for me. I got my two big boys over here. I got my two favorite characters, Superman, Spider-Man, the first crossover in 50 years. Whoa. I am super hyped to talk about that. Uh, a lot of stories. Was it good?

SPEAKER_02 1:54

I don't know. I just read it and uh Clayton got to see my live reaction to all the stuff that we will be for sure. It was very hard to not like look up and say, I need to talk to you about this. There was one thing that I got upset about that I couldn't help, and I had to just go ahead and be like, This is stupid. Why are they like why are they doing this? Which we'll we'll get there again.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

So the real question will be Is this book worth the 999 price that it is? We'll get it there. We are also going to talk about Spider-Man again, not Ultimate Spider-Man this time, because we are done talking about it's dead, it's dead. We are going to talk about the Spider-Man Brand No Day trailer.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Yes.

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Which was you'll just have to listen to the rest.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

I'm like kicking my feet.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

I'm like, what to talk about? And then finally, uh, in case you aren't already, but hopefully you are, you're following us on Instagram at ComicNation1776. And we put up a poll uh probably about a week ago, I guess, on whether or not you guys wanted us to review the first couple of episodes of Invincible Season 4. And with overwhelming majority, I mean overwhelming.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

What was the poll? Did you did you have an exact? I think it was like 100 to 10. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

It like tripled the oh, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

I was like, oh, did I just overshoot it?

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Like 300 plus in favor of let's hear it, and like 10 uh being like, No, no, we don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

No, you guys suck. Well, we're doing it anyway. Yeah, we're doing it because that's what you guys wanted to hear. Cool. I'm very excited. Oh, yeah. And also, all of the because you got a lot more followers. Yes. On you got how many more?

SPEAKER_01 3:32

About 1,600 more. That's awesome since we've come back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Awesome. Great work there. He's been keeping the account updated. Do you want us to talk about the little thing that happened yesterday that was really, really cool?

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Yeah, so this week we've had some really cool stuff. If you guys have checked out the Instagram, you will see that we recently did a post on the success of Absolute Batman. Because every episode, man, we've been talking about how good Absolute Batman is. So I wanted to put our thoughts into the post. And we had Frank Martin, the colorist, repost our post. We had Nick Dragata, the artist, comment.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Actually, you DM'd Nick Dragata.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

I he he shared the story on he shared the post on his story, and I I was like, I'm gonna text him just because why not? Like, if it whatever. Yeah. And I just said, like, hey, um, we actually have a podcast um called Beyond the Pull List. Um, we'd love you to check it out. Every time a new book drops, we talk about it, and we are loving it. So just wanted to throw that out there. And he gave me a thumbs up and he said, Thanks for the kind words. And uh, said, also, if you're in Tennessee, uh you will see us. Yeah, we will we will be there giving you our money.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Uh and and he he replied, so that was awesome. We had Mark Brooks, yes, uh, a cover artist, do uh like the post today.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Uh so I mean it has been exciting, and it's been incredible to see people comment trying to tag Scott Snyder. Yes, so Scott Snyder, please.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

I'm gonna make you hatch brown casserole. Come to my house.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

I'm telling you, it will be worth it. That hatch brown casserole is incredible. You don't even understand. We're gonna do it, we're gonna do a beyond the pool list cookbook in a future.

Superman/Spider-man Crossover

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Yeah, we're it's gonna be it's just gonna be uh yeah, like oh, welcome to uh cooking with Beyond the Pool list today's today's recipe, uh venomous vegetables. It's just like a venom face with like a carrot tongue. But yes, but thank you guys so much. It's it means every time uh every time that something gets shared or like we're getting followers or people are commenting, it makes it makes us both so happy. We're so excited to see a lot of people contributing and messaging. And also your comments, we read all of them. So continue to comment, like literally, we'll get comments and Clayton will call me and we'll just talk for like an hour and a half, reading the comments, just like chit-chatting. So we love the engagement. We love that you guys are like pitching in, and we love that you guys love this. This means the world to us. So thank you guys so much. Um, and keep keep keep your ears open because we're gonna keep going. We're not done yet. We're just getting started. We're just getting started. But today is the sunny superhero day, is what I called it a while back because we're doing Invincible, we're doing Spider-Man, and we're doing Superman, who are the three bright day sunshiny, well, maybe Invincible.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Well, I well, it's costume at least.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Yeah, it's cost him at least. Uh the story and stuff going on, not so much. But but we got a lot to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

We do. But let's get into the big comic this week. The comic that I have been the moment, so the moment it was announced, I think I screamed louder than when my wife told me that she was pregnant. I'm just I'm just kidding. If my daughter listens to this in the future, I'm just kidding. That didn't actually happen.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

She probably doesn't believe you. She's like, dad dad would be more excited.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She knows. So the Superman Spider-Man Crossover, published by DC Comics, uh, and Marvel, of course, but this one was the one released by DC.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

There's another one, the Marvel one's coming out next month. Next wow, that's a long time.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Yes, yes. Uh so we read the issue and we want to talk about our favorite stories, what we liked about this issue, and again, is it worth the$9.99 price?

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Yes, because this is a very I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. We ranked the stories, we both have our own ranking of each story. Um I guess do we wanna do we want to go in order of stories, or do we want to just go through our rank as we tell the stories?

SPEAKER_01 7:35

Uh well, let's rank the stories. But first, I want to just shout out all the artists who worked on this. Yes. Uh every single cover, every interior work is incredible. There's not there's no bad art associated with this.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

There's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

This is I am hope-pilled after this.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Yeah, yeah. Did um now, did you just get the one cover or did you get multiple?

SPEAKER_01 7:59

I just got the the Jorge Jimenez wraparound cover because I think that's just beautiful, but man, there is not a bad cover.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

There is not, there's really not a bad cover.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Which ones did you get?

SPEAKER_02 8:08

I got so I I was looking at the DNA one. Okay. I don't know, is it the it's like where it's the blue background? And it I I almost bought it, but the the main one I ordered was the Delato, because you gotta have my black suit Spidey. Um it's uh Superman in the black suit and Spider-Man in the black suit, and they look suit in the city, it's at night. It's so good. Um, and I also couldn't help because I'm a sucker for anything Clayton Crane puts out. I got the crane variant as well because it was a really cool cover. And Clayton doesn't do a lot of bright, happy art. Like a lot of his stuff is dark, and like that's just his vibe. So getting something a little bit different from him is really cool.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

We have to also have to shout out Clayton Crane because there's not many Claytons out there. So no, no, we got we're in the brotherhood. It's just you two.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

There's no other Claytons out there. Someone comments, like, hey, my name is Clayton.

SPEAKER_03 8:55

My name's Clayton too. Oh, there's my third.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Um, what other variants did they do? They did uh they did uh Delato, Clayton Crane.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

They did the Power Girl and I think they did a Power Girl Punisher cover. They did a Power Girl Black Cat cover. I said all the guys are gonna get that one.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Yeah, oh yeah. Um they did uh I think they have a couple of Venom, they have two Venom ones, or is that for the Marvel one?

SPEAKER_01 9:16

I think that might be for the Marvel one.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

Yeah, the Marvel one has multiple Venom Superman, which of course, as me and Clayton always have talked about, Venom did beat Superman. Okay, I know, I know, I know what happened. I wish I had a boo button. Like we have buttons. Hang on, let me let me actually Yeah. We have sound buttons now, so any time if I say something stupid about Spider-Man and MJ doing it again, we've got a we've got a button for it.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

I wish we had a boo that's that's a that's a canon event for the on the pullies.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Yeah, it's that's gonna happen. We're gonna we're it's gonna be great. Um but they did a lot of cool variants for this. There's a lot of a lot of covers. It sucked because getting two of them is twenty dollars. Right. Well, eighteen, I guess. We'll we'll tax twenty. And your bags and boards a dollar or whatever. Um but yeah, let's go. I guess we'll just do it. Let's let's get into it.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

So we'll we'll let's go ahead and rank them. Okay. And then we'll talk about what happens in each story and and why we liked these stories and why we put them where we put them.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

I tell you what, let's Okay, let's do that. Okay. I was gonna say let's let's talk about the stories and then rank them, but nah, let's just let's just rank it. So we both said that our number one story. So first of all, there's uh there's seven uh no, there's eight stories in this book. There's eight mini stories in this book, which is a lot. There is a lot. Um yes, and um, so Clay, you know what? You're excited. I'm gonna let you take a lead on this. I want your you're jumping up and down. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

I'm I'm I'm vibing. Okay, so I put the main story as number one. I think that was the best story.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Probably because it was the main story. Yes. But anyways, it's number one for me. I put my second favorite story. Well, do you want to you wanted to go your favorite story too? Mine was also number one. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Yeah, we were both number one.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

So for number two, for me, I did the Jonathan Kent and the Ben Parker story.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

That's number two for me. I did Spider Boy and Spider-Man 2099.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

Okay. My third favorite is the Lois Lane Mary Jane story.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

Okay. Mine was Punisher and Power Girl.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Which also got my biggest negative reaction, which I'm sure hearing that, you know exactly what it is, but we'll get there in a minute.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Yes. Uh, then number four is Superboy and Spider-Man 2099.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Four for me was Lois Lane and Mary Jane.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Okay. Number five is Superboy Prime and Amazing Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Mine was also number five. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Number six is Punisher and Power Girl.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Uh six for me was Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker. Okay. You're like, that's wrong.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Uh number seven is it's, I think technically titled Truth, but it is the J. Jonah Jameson versus Lois Lane debate.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

That was my number seven as well. And unfortunately, our number eight was Jimmy Illson and Carnage. Yes. Which okay, we'll get into that. We'll get into it.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

So main story. Why didn't we put it at number one?

SPEAKER_02 11:56

I put it as number one because it's classic Superman Spider-Man. Right. This is the story that we came here for.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

You know, we came here because we wanted to see Spider-Man and Superman fight a villain. Now it did get the cliche of which I I didn't like this, that they kind of swap their villains. Yes. Because that's what I feel like all verses books do. It's like, oh well, because one of my favorite uh collab stories is Spider-Man Batman. Right. And the villains are Joker and Carnage, and they do a thing where Spider-Man's fighting Joker and Batman's fighting Carnage, which I thought, oh my gosh, that's the best thing in the world. Yeah. But um it felt like they redid that trope, and I was like, oh, I wish they'd have been like teaming up to fight the, you know what I mean? Or some, you know, something else. But you know, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

It's it it it you're exactly right. It is what we've waited 50 years for. We have waited for Superman, Spider-Man just to be together, just to give us inspiration and give us hope. And I I I put it as number one, because it was a feel-good story. Yeah, it was one of those stories that if you're having a bad day, you should definitely come to.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Um, and it just was kind of fun to watch them interact again. And I've really felt like this story gave Clark Kent like an older brother vibe with Peter Parker.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Uh there was a few lines from Peter Parker where I kind of rolled my eyes because I'm like, we're still doing the man child thing with Peter Parker.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Yeah, I feel I yeah, I kind of had the same, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

But overall though, I mean, we have to kind of preference this right now is that there really wasn't a bad story. There were some that were like they're they're uh eh they're okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Um, but there's not necessarily a bad one.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

I don't think there's a yeah, I I don't have a problem. Like I have problems with stories. Um I don't think there's a you know, I agree with you, I don't think there's a bad story, but I think I'm gonna save this opinion. Okay, wait. Because I I I have my overall opinion for the book. I have an overall opinion. And we're gonna get into that. Yeah, I think I think once we do Jimmy Olsen and Carnage and we finish these, I think we the whole book as a whole is all. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

Yes. Uh so why did you have your number two as what you did?

SPEAKER_02 13:55

So my number two, Spider uh Spider Boy, wait, Super says Spider-Boy on her. Oh man, I can't type. It's okay. Oh no, we have notes. Uh those uh Superboy and Spider-Man 2099. I picked it because when I was reading it, um, first of all, I didn't expect a Spider-Man 2099 story in here. Um so that was really cool. The art's really good. I love the art for this. But as I was reading it, I I actually vocalized. I was like, I think I know what's about to happen. And if it is, I'm really excited. Yeah. And it was Batman Beyond coming in, and like getting that was amazing.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

But you know, you made a good point, and sorry for telling me. No, go on. No, go ahead. Uh you said in your head you hear a certain voice actor for 2099.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

2099. I'm going back and forth between like the if you've ever played Spider-Man Shatter Dimensions, I don't let me hang on, let me pull it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

So while you do that, so you were talking about you have a voice for Spider-Man 29, 2099. You have a voice for Batman Beyond.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

But one thing we didn't talk about is obviously Batman Beyond is talking to Bruce Wayne in this, and you regardless, you hear Kevin Conroy as as even old Batman.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

I hear I was about to say Kevin Conroy was definitely um undisputed voice actor right there for Batman. So my Spider, so here's here's the the thing with Spider-Man 29 is I have two voice actors that I was like, I hear the one I hear is Dan uh Gilzan? Is that how you pronounce it? It's from Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions. If you ever played Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions, that was the voice actor of 2099, and that's who I just automatically hear for 2099 forever. Um I was trying to hear Oscar Isaac Oscar Isaac because of the new 2099, because I love 2099 and in uh across the Spider-Verse. But every time I'm listening, I just keep going back to that Shattered Dimensions voice, and that's just who I hear. I can't help it. It's just you know. Um but seeing Batman Beyond, and I made this point. I was like, the thing is is that that was not Spider-Man, Superman, that was Spider-Man and Batman Beyond. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

And like I can see why you don't like that because yeah, because it's a Superman, it's supposed to be a Superman Spider-Man story, so it's supposed to be Superman Spider-Man. And and I made this comment while you were reading the book that to me it felt like I think it was Sean Gordon Murphy who did this story, but I could be totally wrong there. Um, that he wanted to do a Batman Beyond and Spider-Man 2999 story.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

And this was his excuse to do it. Yes, yes, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Yeah, and that's he's like, okay, well, Superman's here. Alright, go away. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

Superman, you know, and I'm not like I'm I'm more of a Batman fan than a Superman fan. So like for me, I was like, I love this, it was great. Um, I was tempted to put it at number one, but I just I was because I was like, when I read it, I was like, that's definitely my favorite out of all of them so far. Um, but I it I needed natural Spider-Man, like OG Spidey and OG Superman. That had to have number one. I just because that was what I came here for. Yes. Um, but this was something I didn't come here for that I got that I was like, whoa, whoa. Um, so definitely my number two. What was your number two? Your number two.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Well, go, I'll go ahead and and put it down here that my superboy and Spider-Man 2999 was my number four. And and my list is really flexible.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Yeah, mine is two, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

But but, anyways, my number two was Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker's story. Okay. And in this story, it's Superman and Spider-Man. You don't see them, but they're talking about their upbringings, they're talking about the people who shaped them. Yeah. And in the story, you see uh Ben who's traveling through Kansas at the time. There's a tornado, and he and Jonathan end up saving some little kids. Yeah. Yeah. Just kind of having a small little moment. And they don't realize it at this time because they're both still young at this point.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Uh, but they're about to raise the the two most inspirational heroes of all time. And that's what they're talking about, Superman Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

And uh, and then at the end you see them together. And I think that is a that is probably my favorite panel from this whole book. Is that last one of them just like flying off together? Well, Spider-Man swinging by, but yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's just and that's the artist who does uh absolute Superman, by the way. Really? Ralph of Sindel. Okay, yeah, okay. So if you like the art for that book, you might want to hop on that.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

I click it, I see it now. Um I put let's see here.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

We're on number two, Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

Um so that was my number six. And the only reason was because it was really hard to rate rank these. I I liked it, but it it it I don't know if I should uh because I the problem, like I don't want to say the whole No, okay, let's just save it. Let's just save it. Okay, like okay, okay. We'll just save it. It it the it the I it's a good story because it I love um I will talk about what I do, like it talks about them two who are superheroes, talking about the people who inspired them that are just two guys who are just ordinary. There's two guys who are good at heart that are you know they're very selfless and they're willing to to put themselves in danger to save people just because that's what they have to do as men. And I think that's really cool. And it's cool that superheroes are looking on just two ordinary guys.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

I mean, of course they're their uncles, but like you know You know, this could get really deep if we really wanted to, but it really showed the importance of a good dad. Yeah. I'm not gonna go there because that's that's just gonna be a conversation that we we would get really deep into. But I think that shows the importance of what it means to be a good dad. Yeah. And and that's the kind of dad I hope that I would.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

I think I think I think you got it. Funny enough, the Clayton texted me the other day and he was like, because uh Gabriela, his wife is getting a little close to pregnancy. And he was like, it's hitting me because one of the questions I asked him was like, Does it not like Donna? Like, does it not freak you out at all? And he's like, Oh no, not yet. Well, he texted me and he's like, as I'm like cleaning up a leak in my basement, he's like, he's like, I'm freaking out! I'm freaking out, it's it's time.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

We are we are uh basically a month away. So that's when it hit me, and I'm like, I'm gonna be a dad. Paul, Paul, you don't understand. I'm about to be a dad.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

So this is this could also be the last spot Superman Spider-Man crossover that comes out before it's possible, it's possible. If the other one comes out and you're in the hospital, I'll grab it and bring it to you. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

That's that's because that's what heroes do.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

That's what heroes do. You're right.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

All right, all right, number story number three.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Story number three. For me, my third was Punisher and Power Girl.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Which is definitely not what I expected.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

It's not what I expected either, honestly. Um let's just go ahead and talk about it. Punisher and Power Girl Punisher and Power Girl for me was story number six.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Yes. So um I liked it. It wasn't bad. And you you have a good point there. They have good chemistry.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Yeah, the chemistry is very opposite. Yeah. And I think that's cute because I've never seen Punisher fall in like I've never seen a girl No, I mean I don't I don't know if he necessarily fell in love, but he was like chuckling at the like the giddiness of being on a date. Yeah. You know, and you don't I've never seen that out of The Punisher, and it was just kind of like one of those books that was like not bad. Yeah, not bad. You know, like I I dig it. Tell me what you liked about it. Oh well, I before I tell you what I did like about it.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Well, what you didn't like is also what I didn't like about this story. But but but I'll tell you what I did like. I I like the same thing, it was a cute little issue, and you didn't expect that. And I when I was flipping through, because I hadn't looked at what stories were going to be in this, I was just main Superman Spider-Man story. That's all I cared about.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

And so I flipped through it before I read it, and I came across that. I'm like, this is a weird combination.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

It is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

Why would they do this? And like the first page of them put together, it says Punisher and Power Girl go on a date. And I thought, what in the world are we about to see here? So I read it, and it was it was just a cute dynamic. And it was show it shows that the Punisher has a heart, I guess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

And so that was nice.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

But in those very first panels of this story, uh, there is a moment that I really thought we were about to go heavily downhill. And you and I had the same exact reaction to reading this panel. And it is.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

It's it's slamming your hands on the table and saying, Are you freaking kidding me? What Marvel? Stop. Stop. They put freaking Paul Rabin in it. The worst character.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Yes. Paul can't even get words because he hates this character.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Power girl is going on a date to this place. And I guess it's like, is this villain bar? Villain bar? Yeah. Why would Paul take a I'm not even gonna go there.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

But my thing is that she walks in, and of course it's Paul there being all awkward and being like, oh hey, like I met you on on on uh whatever the dating site was, off-brand Tinder, and I'm so excited to sit here and go on a date. And like, well, I I'm having all these problems, and you know, but but but oh gosh, you're so pretty.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

And she's like, I would rather be fighting dark side than be on this date. And it's it my thing is, right? I'm gonna go on a rant. Why is the Spider-Man office so intent on putting Paul in everything? Yeah. Why? There's no need in it. Like, no one likes this character.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

And they even make a note of that in this. He's like I'm really a nice guy, but um, no one likes me for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

And it's like, because no, because you're dating Peter's wife.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

Like, again, Peter should be married to MJ, and Paul should be gone.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

I don't I don't care where he's at, give him put him anywhere. Just get him out of Peter Parker and quit it. Like, stop it. You know, I'm I'm so I don't understand why the Spider-Man office feels the need to put him in everything. Nobody wants him in these books. Nobody wants him in this. Nobody wants him in Venom. Nobody wants him in Spider-Man. Just get rid of him. He's a character that is nothing. And literally, the whole purpose of his character is to just be shit on.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

It's just a character that's like, hey, I suck. Make fun of me. That's literally the only purpose. And it's just like, it's like Marvel's keeping him around just because they're like, oh yeah, everybody hates him. Keep putting him in the book. It's funny. Like it's rage bait. Yeah. It's just, it's just, it, it, it's so unnecessary. I and I hate I hate giving this book number three. The only reason I gave it the third place was because I was like, oh, they're the the Punisher Power Girl was really cute and I really like that. But Paul, get him out of here. Yeah. And I hate that because my name is Paul. Yeah. That sucks.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Yeah, we we made a comment before we were s started recording that Paul's only purpose is to is to cuckhold Peter Parker. His his purpose, he like I his existence. Yeah. His existence is literally the phrase uh robbing Peter to pay Paul.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Literally. Yeah, it's literally that's that's the only purpose. Is so Mary Jane has somebody there. Yeah. And the fans hate him. And Marvel knows that, and they're like, oh, well, how how can we keep the fans hating this guy? We want we want the hate to still be there. I guess because it drives I guess because like I remember in the Venom issue where MJ and Paul broke up, it was a big thing because it was like, oh, well, like everybody was talking about it, being like, oh, everything's great. They broke up, they broke up, but that's what Marvel wants. They want right people to buy these books because it's like, oh, finally, like they're breaking up. But then Paul's still in the book, and him and MJ are still living together, and they're still talking. It's weird, it's stupid. I'm just I'm I'm tired of this story. Get this character out of here. No one likes him. Get him out of here. Yeah. Sorry, but you know, uh, that's all I gotta say about that.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Was that story number three? Uh for me it was number three. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

I'm starting to reconsider it again. Reconsider it that it shouldn't be because I hate Paul that he's in it. But again, it was just like the what I said to Clayton was that they all were sitting down, like the Spider-Man team, the Superman team, and the Marvel head and the DC head are all sitting at a table, and the guy on the Spider-Man side's like, Well, well, we have this character.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

Um, we really should put him in the book. Uh his name's Paul. Everybody likes him, or at least in the office. Um, can we can we have him in here somewhere?

SPEAKER_02 26:20

And they're like, Yeah, put him in the Punisher Power Girl book. Like, no one's just put him. I don't care. Right. Anyway, I'm done now. My rant's over.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Rant over. Uh, my my third favorite story was the Lois Lane and Mary Jane story. But I do have a problem with this story.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

I do too.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

So so the good thing about this story is that it is drawn by Jim Lee. And Jim Lee does not do a whole lot of interiors, but Jim Lee's a great artist.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

He's a great artist. That was the first thing I said when I opened it. It was like, oh, this is this is Jim Lee. Oh, this is some good art.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

However, this b begs the debate. Does good art override a bad to decent story? And that's kind of what this is. And I think that might be why this story ends up becoming my third favorite because Jim Lee's art alone. But there are good moments here, and it's really, really a sentinel has attacked. We don't know why, we don't know who or or what reason, but it's on a bridge, and Mary Jane and Lois Lane are, I guess, damsels in distress. Not I mean, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

They're like talking through it, and they're like, like, they're in a bus that's dangling from the bridge, and they're like, girl, you've been here before. She's like, mm-hmm. Like, this is normal for me. Oh, did you die? Oh, I've died a couple times. How about you? Multiple. Yeah, the multi-like they're just ch which is cute. I mean, it's like a cute girl.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Yeah, yeah. And it is because I guess it's the only hope that we've had that Peter Parker and Mary Jane might be married somewhere out there in the multiverse.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

I guess so. Yeah, that's the only thing we'll get.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

But so I guess there's that. But my biggest flaw with this story is, yeah, um, and and if you're going to do a story about Lois Lane and Mary Jane, like you kind of have to make Superman Spider-Man background characters. And that's fine. That's fine. That's understandable. And it's okay to have a story focused around these their significant others.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

But the problem is that Superman and Spider-Man are so sidelined in this stick this story that a C-list character steals their spotlight and destroys the Sentinel that neither one of them could do. And the C-list character is freaking Gambit.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

Yes. And he gets a freaking splash page. A two-page splash panel. They turn the it's a page turn, and he's just, it's this amazing artwork. And the first thing I said was, Oh, so Jim Lee does a gambit. I guess Jim Lee really wanted to draw Gambit this time.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Yeah, I think Jim Lee's like, oh, I haven't drawn the X-Men in 30 years.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

What is what's the first thing I want to do? I want to do Gambit. Yeah, so I'm gonna do that. It's the only, and if I remember correctly, it's there's only two splash pages in this whole book. The first one is in the main story, and the second one is the gambit.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Is that I'm trying to think if there's any more.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

I think that's the only splash page where it's on both pages. Because there is one page, uh, especially in the Jonathan Kent, Ben Parker story, where it is the full page.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

But yeah, I think this those are the only two, yeah, you're probably right. But yeah, it's a full splash page of Gambit looking, I mean, looks badass. Yeah. But it's like, this is a Spider-Man Superman book. Why isn't Jim Lee drawing Spider-Man and Superman looking awesome? Yes. Like, why aren't they why isn't there some big splash of them taking down the sentinel that looks super sick? Right. That's what we all want. Not Gambit. Oh, oh man, I hope Gambit gets his splash. Whatever. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, thanks, Jim Lee.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

So moving on, story number four.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

That was your third, right? Yes, that was my third. For me, my fourth was that in Lewis Lane.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

So my fourth was the Superboy in Spider-Man 2999. So we've talked about that.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

We've talked about that, yep.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

So moving on.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Why was that your fourth? Do you want to do you wanna dive? Is it just because Superman was kind of sideless?

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Superman was kind of sidelined. It really was more of a Batman Beyond Spider-Man 2099 story. Why was he skinny? Superman was very skinny. Because um, so there's a Silver Age series where Super Superboy, why well Superman while he's young, um, he travels back into he travels into the future with the Legion of Superheroes. There's an old cartoon about this. Um But Superman travels into the future and he joins the League of Superheroes for a little bit. He goes on adventures with them, and really really it's a silver age thing. Because they were big on time travel and future stuff at the time. Yeah. So that's it, because it's just a futuristic story, so that's why he ended up as Superboy in this story.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

I got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

So really not uh not a Superboy story, not a Superman story, but a Spider-Man 2099 and Batman Beyond.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

So that's why it gets down there.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

So that was your That was number four for me. That was number four for you, okay, and mine was Losley Mary J. Yeah. Number five. Number five was Superboy Prime and Amazing Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Okay, so both of us have this as number five.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Yeah, we both have it as five. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Let me ask you why. Why is it number five for you?

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Um I so first of all, I like the story premise premise. I think it's really cool that it's all like a fourth wall break. And I didn't even know much about Superboy until you told me. Because I was like, oh, okay, so he's a you know, he's a fourth wall breaking character. And I think that's cool because he he there's some great quotes in this book. Yes, there is. There's the one where it's like, um, yeah, your entire your entire life story is in a long box in my attic. That's such a cool line. Like, that's such a great line. And then like there there was another one. Um maybe it was in a different yeah, bruh. Like, he's gotta take the L. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but uh the only reason was because um this also falls into the category of why a lot of these stories didn't didn't get me to be continued. To be continued, which we'll I we we I think we both we have, we don't know. I don't know if we we agree, but I think we agree. I think we do. Um it falls into that, and also it it's a lot going on. It gets it it once they kind of get to the uh who's the guy that they're fighting in the high evolution. The high evolutionary, once they run into him, it's just kind of like all over the place. And I kind of got lost.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Yeah, I kind of I kind of got lost right there.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

It's yeah, and for me, I don't know why High Evolutionary is the main villain between um we're gonna call them multiverses. It's comic books, and because Superboy Prime is like stuck in this universe where he can only go between comic books, he can't go outside of comic books, yeah, kinda, and high evolutionary for some reason is the villain, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Um because high evolutionary is more focused on well, evolution, and why is he in, let's say, like a a blank space? Because that's a I guess that's a bad choice of words, but like in between multiverses. Why is he there? He has nothing to do with multiverse stuff. So that was my problem, but you're right. So it's cool when it begins, and the art is great for that story.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

He's got the black suit. I love that he's got the I don't know if it's the symbiote or if it's I think it's just the cloth one. Okay, yeah, because he was talking to it. And Spider Man's like, why are you talking to it? Yeah, yeah, because but I wish that it was the symbiote because it'd have been like, oh, you don't know yet. Right. You know, and he's like, No what? Uh, you'll figure it out. Right, right, right. You know, like that would have been cool, but you know.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

Yeah, because Superboy Prime, I was telling Paul, in case you're not familiar with Superboy Prime, got sucked in. He's from our world where there are no superheroes, and we just read about their lives in comic books.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

And he gets sucked into a comic book, and I can't remember exactly how, so maybe somebody in the comment section somewhere on Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen, yes, uh, can comment and correct us. But he gets sucked into a comic book, and he his name's Clark Kent, so he ends up getting the powers of Superman in this comic book universe. So he can also break the fourth wall because he knows he's in a comic book. Right. But my point with that is to say it's it gets messy. It really does. And for people who like you who don't know who Superboy Prime is, that can get confusing. Like, why are they jumping between comic books? Cool fourth wall moment, cool tie back to the 80s when both of these characters were cool, but yeah, why? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was just a mid story, it was just yeah, it was mid. And there's a lot of like modern day slang in this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Yeah, because he says like he sang bruh a lot. He says like take the L. Yeah. He says something else that was like, oh, so like this is for the cool the kids nowadays. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

And I don't like when comics do that.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

I don't either. I it I don't like brain rotten my comics. But also, like, did they did our books kind of have that? Like, did the original Ultimate Spider-Man kind of have that? Because I remember like you read it and you see like hanky panky and like stuff like that. Yeah. But like, I don't know, like, I think it's I think we're getting older, Clayton. I think we're getting old.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Man, I don't want to talk about this because I'm getting close to 30.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Yeah, and you're about to have a baby. The the owner of the comic book store we both shop at, like, when I when I go in there and I'm complaining about how much I hate Venom, she's like, Yeah, um, that's what all the she's like, oh, you're getting old. And I'm like, what does that mean? She's like, well, usually when you get older, you start going, oh, the comics ain't just like how they used to be. And I'm like, dang it, I'm getting old.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Diana, if you're listening, you have a point. Got a point. I never wanted to admit that you have a point, but you have a point.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

You have a point. Point for Diana.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

All right, so moving on, story number six. For me as Punisher and Power Girl.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

For me, it was Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Okay, we already talked about both of those.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

We talked about both of those, yep. Story number seven. Uh JJ versus LL. LL. J.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

John Jameson versus Lois Lane. It was number seven for me because it's not a high action issue, and it's really just the debate on it's really Lois Lane asking J. Joan Jameson why don't you like Spider-Man?

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Yeah, it's literally, and he's like, because he's a menace. And she's like, it's because he's wearing the mask, isn't he? Well, because he's like talking great about the Fantastic Four and like Captain America.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

America, Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman, even Superman.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Even Superman. And he's just like, Well, Spider-Man's a menace because you know, we print good print. And you know, I think the art's great. There's a there's a there's a panel of Spider-Man hanging, he's in the studio upside down in the lights, and the I like I read that and I saw that art, and I was like, man, Spider-Man looks so good. Yeah I wish he was like fighting people, but he wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

Yeah, and this goes back to our ultimate Spider-Man conversation, but not tying it back too much because I don't want to talk about that book. But like dialogue needs to progress the story, and it does here. So like the dialogue does serve a purpose. It is good here. It's just I need ah, this is this is gonna tie into future conversation here in just a minute when we finish out our rankings. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we agree, we agree. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

So our final story, number eight, our least favorite story on the book.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Jimmy Olson and Carnage.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

Well, you want to say why you didn't like it, why it was your least favorite?

SPEAKER_02 37:01

Why? Why did they do it? Why didn't you what is the point of this? Because it's it's it's you know, it's Jimmy Olsen at the Daily Bugle, and there's some guy dead on the couch. I'm saying he's dead, but he's literally in both in the beginning of the book and the end of the book. He's just laying there like sleeping, and it's like it's like at first he's like, Oh, it's just some guy, he's heard all this before, and then by the end of the book, you're like, oh no, he's dead. Um didn't notice that, did you?

SPEAKER_01 37:27

I did. You know, like maybe it's like uh because Matt Faction wrote this story, maybe it's like a meta joke about something we just don't understand.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Maybe, maybe. It could be like an inside joke. Yeah, maybe he's just like he's bored by his own story. Um, but Jimmy Olsen, he's like, Well, I gotta take pictures of the Spider-Man guy for J Juno Jameson. I don't know what I'm like, what does he even look like? Yeah, and like, because but he calls him Spider Hyphen Man. Yeah. And Peter is like, no, call and he's got like Mary Jane on one arm and Gwen on the other, or Black Cat. I think that's Black Cat. Yeah, which is weird.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

Okay, again, Matt Fraction's story can sometimes be very meta. And I think that's uh that's a joke on how many girlfriends Peter Parker has had in the comics.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

I get it.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

But that's also not Peter Parker.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Yeah, that's not, he's not like a cool guy. Yeah, you know, he's not Hugh Hefner. Yeah, he's not, he's not. And so the thing was was that he's like, oh, he's he's he's red. Or no, MJ says he's gooey, he's red, and stringy. Or he's stringy and he's red, and he's uh it's yeah, yeah, something like that. And so Jimmy, and they're like, Jimmy Olson, don't, don't say spider hyphen man. It look makes you look like a Taurus. Also, don't go down any alleys. Well, the first thing he does is he goes down an alley because he sees gooey red everywhere, and there's like a severed foot in the alley. And who's in the alley? It's Carnage, which I at first when I saw that cover, I was like, Jimmy Olsen and Carnage, that's a weird. I'm surprised I didn't buy that variant.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't either.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

But I didn't like the art. The art was very it was very minimalist. Yeah. And I'm just like, eh. Like if it was like intense or like or if it was like Clayton Crane, like, oh, I'd be all over it. Um probably might have even got a higher rating. I think the art really lowered the rating. But like he goes in the alleyway, he carnage cartoonly beats him up and almost kills him. Yeah, and then I guess he gets one final shot and then dies. Yeah, because and Jameson's like, I love it! He got Spider-Man looking like an absolute monster. This is great. And it's like, but that's not Spider-Man, that's Carnage.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

Yeah, and and the Superman watch failing because it has to have a system update.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

Yeah, it has to have a system update, and he's like, oh fuh. Oh fuge. And he dies. And I didn't say fudge. Yeah, and then he then literally Carnage kills him. The paper goes live, and the guy is still on the couch dead. Um, and that's it. That is it. It's literally like, why?

SPEAKER_01 39:49

Which brings us to our ultimate conversation.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

Yeah, I think I think, yeah, and again, we have not like I'm excited to talk to you about this because I was like, I have the comment about the whole book as a whole, but I don't want to say it. And he goes, I and you said like I do too.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Yeah, let's save it.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

Well, we're gonna say it now. So let's say it. So um I think ever there's no need to have this many stories in the book because all of them are cut short.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

All of them, yes, exactly. All of these stories suffer from being too short. Yes. And if even the main story, even the main story, we both put it number one, it was longer than the rest of the stories, but they're all there's no time for to flesh any of this out. There's no if you wanted to do honestly, you know, people would buy if you did DC Marvel crossovers, you gave each one of these a 30-page comic, people would buy these issues. Oh, I I I agree. Yeah, but especially scalpers who are like, this is gonna be what something's gonna be or something.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

We're gonna buy it all and tell it.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

But give give each of these teams a full-length story to tell the story, and it would have been ten times better. But that's the problem this book lacks, in my opinion. Yeah, and the same thing that the when they did the Batman Deadpool story, there was only one of those stories that really I think had time to flesh out in those, and it really would have helped each one of these to have more time to flesh out because none of this should have been I'm not asking for a full on arc, though that would be amazing for something like this. I'd love that, but even a one, one, a full one-shot would really give this time to breathe.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Yeah, I that's that's what I think. I think the the first story should have been the whole book. Yeah. Especially if you're gonna have a jumbo-sized book, make it a bigger story. Yeah, but there's I don't think there's any need to tell all of these stories because again, the reason like you know, Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker was your second story, it was my sixth because I I just I don't know. It it was cut short.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

It was.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

It was just like, okay, they're doing this thing, they saved somebody and it's over. Yeah. And then there's like, you know, the like um, what is it? Like the the Superboy, the Superboy Prime and Spider-Man. The first thing I said was um like when it ended, I was like, oh, that's it. Yep, you did. That was literally the first thing I said was like, oh, it's over already. Yeah. It it's just as soon as the story starts to go somewhere, it literally just stops, like a train hitting a wall. We can't go over that page count. Yep, we can't go over the page count. And like, you know, I just think that you know, stories like Jimmy Olsen and Carnage is not necessary. No, you know, like all these other stories are cool, but give us a Superman Spider-Man book and just be like, if if I was in the office when they were making this, the first thing I would say was is we don't need all these stories. No. We need like maybe two. Right. You could have a small story at the very end, but there the keep this Superman Spider-Man. Because the rest of these stories are not Superman Spider-Man. It's like, you know, it's Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker, it's Lois Lane and Mary Jane, or it's alternate Spider-Man and Alternate Superman, or you know, another alternate Spider-Man, another alternate Superman. Well, what about Punisher and Power Girl? Which honestly, like, I like that story, and I rated it third. I'm kind of regretting that.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Because of Paul.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Well, not only that, but because like, why Punisher and Power Girl? Yeah. They're just uh like it's like it's like they're more concerned with like okay, it it kind of feels like Ultimate Spider-Man a little bit. They're concerned with all the other toys, but not the main toys that should be working together, right? It's like, well, what about this character and this character? What what how would these two characters interact? It's like focus on how Spider-Man and Superman would interact, and all the other characters can interact within their story.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

You and I have have that's a good way to put it, all your toys. But you and I have never sat down and had a conversation and said, Man, what would Lois Lane and Mary Jane Watson do if they ever met each other?

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

We have always if we've talked, it's always been what would Spider-Man and Superman do if they met?

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

We've never said, man, one thing I really wish I had from DC and Marvel is a Jimmy Olsen carnage story. Yeah. That's what I mean. These are stories that nobody has ever asked. The Batman Beyond the Spider-Man 2099.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

That's the one I've been asking for. We have been asking for that.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

Its own book.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

But but these other stories, nobody's ever. And I know that's the argument. Nobody asked for this.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

But we we did. And and that doesn't mean that it can't be a good story if nobody asked for it.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

Right. But the story we want is the story we got. We j you get it's like a one and done. Right. And it's like we could have spent the time reading all of these, like you know, other seven other stories. You get the first one, but then the other seven, it's like that could have been more of the first one, which we both liked a lot of. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

I just I So since they started doing these Marvel DC crossovers last year with Batman and Deadpool, they've done Batman and Deadpool, Deadpool and Batman. They've done a Flash and Fantastic Four that's only on digital.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Oh, I didn't even know they did that.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Yeah, and they did a Thor and Shazam that's also only on digital.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Okay, didn't know that either.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

And then of course Superman Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

And all of these, all of these stories suffer from being too short. And another problem I have with these stories is something that I remember reading in a comic a long time ago when they did the original crossovers, but I've not quite been able to find what issue it appears in. But they never explain they they just assume now that these characters live in the same universe.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

Yeah, they just they're just like Spider-Man's all of a sudden in Metropolis. Right. Right? Or Spider-Man 2099 is all of a sudden in Gotham 2099, or what or whatever year it 2039 or whatever even yeah it is. Yeah, it's just it's like they're taking one person and just like throwing it in the other air in their book, and then it's just like, yep, figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Yeah, and I and I wish if a story had more time to breathe, which I wish these did, you could explain why is this the same universe now? Is this an alternate universe where these just characters just exist in the same universe but have never interacted until this point? I find that hard to believe.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

And like I I want to take a little side tangent for a minute because um one of the books I sat out, we have a little all of our books are sitting around, is the Marvel team up Invincible Spider-Man. Yes. Um, real quick because like um as a crossover done, right? It was a crossover. Yeah, it was a very good crossover because it was Invincible. It's it's from his book where he goes into Spider-Man's universe, but in the Invincible book, it's just like one panel. Right. But this, it's like he's in there, the door closes, and Invincible's talking to Spider-Man, like, hey, like what's going on? And he helps Spider-Man out and they kind of talk it out. But it's so good because it feels like it's it's it feels like they're welcoming Invincible into the universe, and he kind of fits in a little bit, but also doesn't, and they're kind of talking about stuff, and Spider-Man's like, well, you know, this is kind of how I look at being a hero. Like, that's that's what I feel like this should have been. Yes, right. I agree. And I would love to see like you know, Peter learn some stuff from Superman, but also Superman learned some stuff from Peter. Right. Like I think that that that would be really cool, but again, it it it was so rushed, and I hate that. Like, I hate that we're rushing it because um, as I mentioned earlier, my favorite crossover is Spider-Man Batman because they do the little trope of like the villain swapping, but at the same time, you get to see the villains work together, and you actually see them like Carnage talks to Joker about like, oh, like why are you doing all this nonsense? Like just kill him and just be done with it. Yeah, you know, and then you see like Batman and Spider-Man kind of talk. It it it fleshes those moments out more that this book doesn't have time to do because it's so quick, right? You know? So that's my opinion on it personally.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

It is, and honestly, I guess the question is, is it worth$9.99?

SPEAKER_02 47:28

You know, I think because we're getting what eight stories? Yeah. That's almost a dollar a story. I mean, it's not bad. You know, when I bought I compared this to Venom 200 because that was what,$9.99 when it came out? And that was a couple that was four last years.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Four or five years ago? Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

Yeah, that was a long time ago. Venom 200's been out for a long time. Um that was a long time ago. Um, but it was like, you know, a big finale and it was worth it. Especially me who bought all 20 variants and spent$300 at the comic book store that day. Um, but uh I don't uh what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 48:09

I gave I give this book for all the hype it had, for all the excitement I had for it, I still love every cover. I give it a solid seven out of ten.

unknown 48:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

So I say, would I pay$9.99 for it again? Probably not. Would I pay five dollars? Sure, I'll pay five dollars. But ten dollars can go a long way in today's world, kind of. It could buy you a gallon of milk and that's pretty much it. But yeah, yeah, it's a third of my gas state.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

Yeah, it's a third of the gas, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

So yeah, I would pay five dollars for it. I don't think I would pay$9.99 for it. Yeah, it's it was okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Because yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

Not bad, not great. Just okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Is it is it bad that I think the covers are better than the actual book?

SPEAKER_01 48:53

Oh, I I'm thinking that right now.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

Like we're both looking at our covers, and I'm just like, I I'm getting more enjoyment looking at the cover art than I was actually reading the book. Yeah. Which is interesting.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

It is, it is a let let the lotto do a inside story of just the black suit and Superman in his black costume coming back, and they're both kind of like a little bit darker.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Yeah, yeah. But also, we're getting a part two to this.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

We are, so maybe the Marvel version will be better. Maybe that hurts that hurts because I think of what Marvel has done with Spider-Man so far, and I'm like, no, we're definitely, we are definitely, I'm gonna put money on it now. We are definitely going to get Paul in that story somehow.

SPEAKER_02 49:38

How much do you want? What do you want to bet on it? Let's make it, let's do something. Let's do something.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

We gotta I'll buy you dinner one night before we record. So whatever you want, anywhere from ten dollars to if he's in it. If he's in it. I'm betting that right now that he's gonna be in it.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

Okay. If I'll buy you dinner from wherever you Well, but also we both agree that he we probably won't be in it. I'll tell you what, okay, I'll throw you one too.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

If Venom, I think Venom and Superman are gonna get a story in Spider-Man's.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

I could almost guarantee that.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

I I I yeah. So if that's the case, I will buy you dinner. And if we're both right, then I guess we'll just buy each other dinner.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

We'll just buy each other dinner and have a great time.

SPEAKER_02 50:15

We'll go in and just get a big meal. Yeah. And we'll eat before the show and be like, oh, well, we were both right. Our bellies are so full.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

Yeah, I I or yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:25

Or if neither one of them are in it, we just starve.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

We just starve for a whole week. And my wife makes dinner and I'm like, I'm sorry, I lost a bed, I can't eat.

SPEAKER_02 50:37

Yeah, Paul wasn't in the book. I can't eat, I'm sorry. And then Elisa's like, hey, uh, what do you want to do for dinner? Uh nothing. Venom wasn't in the book, I can't eat. But yeah, we'll get a part two to this, so hopefully that will be better. I I mean, I'm I'm this was an exciting book. It was an exciting release. Are you are you disappointed at all with it? Because you seem like you're a little disappointed.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

I I'm I'm really, really, really conflicted because there are great moments, and I I wouldn't say I'm disappointed.

SPEAKER_00 51:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:08

I I wouldn't say that. Because there are great moments, and I get to see these two characters interact uh again.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

It's nice to see them interacting in a more modern kind of again.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

The the the last one was fifty years ago, so it's still I would say silver age, kind of bronze age, so it's still the let's check on what our heroes are doing at this moment.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was the Jimmy Olsen comic in this one, so we didn't escape that.

SPEAKER_01 51:32

We but No, we didn't. But we got to see them interact in a modern setting. Um, the art is incredible.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

The art's very amazing art.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

That's what we agree with, is that that's why I wanted to shout out the artists who worked on this, because I think every artist put in their A game.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

Um, so I'll give them that.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Um The stories, I could have if if you would have given me just three of these stories, I think I would have still been happy.

SPEAKER_02 51:57

And I I don't think the stories are bad. No, they're not going to be able to do that. You know, like the stories are interesting. Even the the Mary Jane and Lois Lane, like my my big tiff with that issue is the fact that it's um is the fact that uh Gambit gets a freaking splash page. That's my big complaint. That's my big complaint. And that they're and like I and person honestly, I feel like, and I feel like a lot of our uh Instagram commenters are gonna be like, wait a minute. Um I think if they were sitting down at a restaurant and having this conversation, I would have enjoyed it more. Is that bad? Because there's a variant cover of them too on a roof, on a roof balcony talking. I think it would have been cooler if they Okay, I sorry idea, right? Yeah. What if they were sitting on the roof and they're having dinner and they're like, and and she's like, and like they're either in New York, I think it'd be cool if they were in New York, right? To bring Superman to New York. And they're like, you know, oh, you know, MJ's like, well, what brings you to New York? Well, you know, uh Clark's got this thing going on, and you know, um, or like like she doesn't know, or she's not gonna tell MJ that that Superman is Clark, and spy they're both fighting a sentinel or some big monster in the background, right? And everybody on this balcony gets up and leaves because they're terrified, but they're just sitting there like, uh, like, you don't want to get up?

SPEAKER_03 53:11

No, I'm okay. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

And then like the the last part of the story is like they've beat the monster in the background, and they've and MJ's like, is that Clark? Yeah, yeah, is that Peter? Mm-hmm. Like, I don't know. I feel like that would have been just a it would have been more because for two characters like like and again commenters, yeah. Hold on, hold your breath. Like, these two characters should be having a sit-down area with the battle in the background. Right. Because we're see we want to see their story and we want to see that for once, and have that little entertainment in the background. Um, but if they were all sitting down for a whole issue, it'd be you know, but it it's you're getting like a comedic view of it, like you're seeing them fight, and then you see both girls realize like, ah, that's why we're so calm right now, and that's like because we're used to this, we know they're gonna win, right? Everything's fine. It I don't know. I I would have preferred that.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

I would have preferred that too. But I would have twisted the story just a little bit and that they've actually known each other and they're actually friends. Okay. And and that they're like, so how you been? Oh, I've been good. Survive like another crisis, and yeah, you know, like they they know. Um and it feels like they uh they definitely know each other in this. Um but they also don't ever hint at like it's just oh I've been through another crisis lately.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

Yeah, and and me too. Did you die? Yeah, I died. What about you? Oh, of course, girl, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

And I but your story is is is great too.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

And I I think well, and I think like that would be cool too. Yeah, like maybe, maybe like the Superman thing is the surprise. And then and then like that could be like the halfway point of the book, and then the rest of the book they could be talking like, so how do you deal with this? Like when he leaves in the middle of a date, like does that not bother you? Yeah, it does bother me, but also like those moments, you know.

SPEAKER_01 54:56

And you know, there was a mention in that story uh where they talk.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

We should write a book.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

We should. We should. We just need an artist.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

So if you're an aspiring artist out there, hey Nick, um Dragata, can you do can you can you hit us up and we you draw our book? We're we're still working on it. We're working on it right now. Brainstorming.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

Yeah, we're brainstorming. But Nick Dragotta's like, no, I shall steal this and put this for the next one. It's alright. I don't think you do that, Nick Dragata.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Yeah, no, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

Uh, but but anyways, I I they hinted at like having kids and like what's it like being married and being a superhero? They hinted at that in the story.

SPEAKER_00 55:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:32

But I don't know. I'm not disappointed. Are you disappointed?

SPEAKER_02 55:35

I'm not. I'm not. I I I I am disappointed in Marvel just because it's like, or whoever well, I guess this is D Seymour, right? This is DC Moore. DC Moore. Well, I'm gonna collaborate. I'm disappointed that they cut all the stories short. You know, that's what I'm the most disappointed. But you know, we got Superman Spider-Man. I think that's really cool. The covers are great. I keep staring at the Clayton Crane cover. Like when I meet him, if I'm because I've met him. You met him several times. I've met him like five or six times. I met him a lot. Um if I see him again, this is definitely a cover I'll get him to sign. Yeah. Because I've never got him to sign something cool like this. Like this reminds me a lot of the Punisher uh Iron War Machine cover. Because it's a bright, hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

You know, um it reminds me of the uh the cover he did with Spider-Man with the American flag draped around his back. Oh, that's such a cool cover.

Spider-man Brand New Day Trailer Breakdown

SPEAKER_02 56:24

Yeah, you can't get that freaking thing anywhere. Yeah, the Carnage one you can, but the Spider-Man one, no. So, speaking of Spider-Man, Superman Spider-Man. Oh, yes. Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

Even better Spider-Man content. Yes. Uh let's talk about the trailer, the brand new day trailer. Brand new day trailer. Um you I led with Superman Spider-Man, so you lead with this one.

SPEAKER_02 56:45

Okay, so first of all, I'm really excited about this trailer. I want to talk about the cinematography first. Oh, yeah. The cinematography on this trailer is insane. It's so good. You get um you I I love the shot. My favorite shot so far is the inside the mask. Inside the mask. When you see his eye.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

Dude, let me just say this real quick about that. So everybody I have talked to about the trailer, everybody, whether they're a hardcore superhero fan or not, like my dad, he's just he just likes the movies. He's read a few comic books here and there, but like never been hard out as hardcore into it as I am. Yeah, yeah. The first thing he said to me was that shot inside the mask.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

Like everybody is talking about that shot because that is incredible. We've never seen that.

SPEAKER_02 57:23

We've never seen a shot like that before. And I love the um one of the things I love is I love that we're getting a more cloudy day type vibe in the city, right? You can tell, like Peter's, you know, he's checking their Instagram their Instagram profile, and they're talking about how excited they are to go to MIT. And MJ's and and Ned says to MJ, like, pretend like you've never been happier in your life, and she's like, I can't, you know, and it's so it's like, oh, because you know, she doesn't remember Peter. And he and he closes his phone and he puts the mask on and then he just drops off the building. And it's just like, gotta go back to being Spider-Man, yeah. You know, and and this, I hope this movie does what the previous home trilogy movies didn't do, because in Spider-Man Homecoming, Spider-Man was very excited. He was always just like wanting to be Spider-Man, right? Spider-Man Far From Home, he wasn't. He was like wanting to go on vacation. He's like, I don't really want to do Spider-Man stuff right now, I don't really want to do it. And like then Spider-Man No Way Home, he was so focused on getting into college and he he did the Spider-Man stuff, but it wasn't uh, you know. This is like he's leaning on being Spider-Man more. That's all that's that's all he has. And he's just like, Okay, I gotta put the mask on. Like, let me let me go swing and take my thoughts off all this. I'm so excited to see that. Yeah, we're getting Frank Castle as the Punisher, we're getting uh Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk. Now, my friend actually, my friend Justin, he gave me a really good opinion on this. He said, I don't like that Hulk's there, that should be Dr. Connors. And when he said that, I was like, I agree. You know, I think that would have been way cooler.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

Yeah, yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

But because the reason he's there is because Sony has that deal in the contract where they have to include an Avengers character in every Spider-Man film. Really? I did not know that. In their contract, uh they have to that's why every movie, you know, Iron Man was in Homecoming, Nick Fury was in Far From Home, uh Doctor Strange was in No Way Home, and now Bruce Banners.

SPEAKER_01 59:18

He just blew my mind.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

Yeah, that in their contract, uh they Marvel says that or Sony, it's either Sony or Marvel. I don't know who made the deal. Yeah. But for Marvel to make the movies, they have to include one main line adventure character in every film. I don't agree with that. No, I think like as a main character, that's why like you know, Doctor Strange has a pivotal, like all those characters have pivotal roles in all the movies. It can't just be like a oh yeah, I'm Bruce Banner, yeah, you're transforming, and that's it. You know, um what were you gonna say? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

No, no, no, no. I was gonna say, I well, I guess Punisher counts too. But Punish because they've talked more about Punisher being in the film than they have the Hulk. So I think I really think Bruce Banner will have a small role, and I think the Punisher will have a much bigger role.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

I hope. I would rather see him have a bigger role than than Hulk. And and uh if it's Hulk, I I don't want smart Hulk, I want Monster Hulk. I'm ready to see yeah, I'm ready to see Rage Out Hulk because you know, I just uh But unfortunately I think we are gonna get Professor Hulk again. Yeah, probably he's got the I notice he's got the thing on his hand that lets him transform that was he wore in She-Hulk, I think. Yeah, because it he can transform with that thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

Right. So I think I think we're gonna get Professor Hulk because I think they're gonna do the panel where Hulk remembers that Spider-Man is Peter Parker, but Bruce Banner does not.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

Well, but also when he's Professor Hulk, he's not a different personality. He's still Bruce Banner.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

That's true, but but in the panel, Hulk does remember. Yeah, I've seen that comic panel. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:44

I think I that would be cool, and I hope that we get Monster.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

I just I just read I'd rather we have Monster Hulk.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:50

Yeah, I don't like Professor Hulk. Um something we are getting though, in in terms of monstrosity, is we're doing the Spider-Man story, the other. And if you are not familiar with this storyline, this is where Spider-Man's powers begin to mutate. Yes. And he begins to wake up in a cocoon and he's like, What's happening? And his he doesn't need his web shooters anymore. He's got natural webbing. Is this are we getting back into Sam Raimi films? No, my friend, we are getting Man Spider, which I'm very excited to see because I have never thought we would I never even I never even put that to like No put that in the movie box. You know, it was just like that was a story that I never it's it's it's one of my favorite stories because that's a great arc, is when he turns into man spider, but it was an arc that I never was like, oh, this would be a cool movie, right? You know, it's just like it's just like oh this is the arc, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:39

But but that brings into view that this Spider-Man movie seems very comic accurate. Yes, like we're pulling straight from Spider-Man covers.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:53

Yes, we get the amazing fantasy 15 shot, we get the um the boomerang. I don't know what issue. I don't know what issue that is. Um I think I have that issue. Really have that. I don't know. They probably just shot up in value. I don't have the tarantula one. Okay, that's the first appearance of Tarantula of that cover, but um the those cover shots are really cool. Oh, yeah. I'm so glad we're getting those. They're amazing. They are amazing, some might spectacular, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

Some might even say ultimate. Oh not that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:23

We hate the book. Um, but um, I think it would be really cool, and what's really funny is that um my me and my girlfriend watched the trailer, and real quick, I told her I was like, I I'm gonna bet because there's a shot which you didn't notice that I noticed. I don't know if this is like a CGI change thing, or if I just been looking at it weird. When he's in the cocoon, you get a first-person shot of him opening the cocoon. His his his left hand, which if you're looking at him, it's his right hand, is black. Yeah, and I'm wondering if he's already mutating and his hand is becoming like is if he's just like getting skin, his skin's changing color. Right. Right? Like it's a he's like, What's wrong with my hand? You know, and that's like a beginning part of the mutation or something. Um and of course, I told Elisa I was like, I'm gonna bet like in the next week we're already gonna get people going, they're doing venom, they're doing the venom story, they're doing the black suit. And by God, that's all I'm seeing on social media. Yes, that's all I'm seeing. And I'm so I wish I'd actually gambled on it because then I'd have won a lot of money.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:22

Um I don't think they're doing that. I don't think they are at all. We talked about that though.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

When you called me, we did called me. Dude, dude, dude. I think uh never mind, never mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:30

I did you well I I called you because I was like, Did you see his hand? His hand's black. And you're like, oh, is it the symbiote? And I was like, no. That thing's definitely mutated. You idiot! I I but I hope, I hope, like what I would really like is if he's starting to get in. I don't know if there's a guy hitting on MJ in the trailer. If that's Paul, I I'm it better not be Marvel.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

Don't you I would put it back off. Um I would pay money almost to just to see it, Paul, to see all the comet fans go, uh, this guy again.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:03

Yeah, uh, get him out of here. I wish I do I wish I had a boo button so bad. Um we're gonna have to wink it our own. We're gonna have to put a boo button on here. We're gonna be a laugh track and a boo button.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

Please laugh at this.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:16

Yeah, it's funny. Just keep pushing the button. Um, but I think it will be really cool if he's trying to become friends with MJ and Ned, and he's trying to like, you know, get them back to where they were, and all of a sudden he starts having these mutations where he's growing extra arms and he's like, I can't, I can't like I'm supposed to hang out with her. I can't hang out with her now because I'm mutating. Right. Like, oh my gosh. But um, we're getting Man Spider. Um, I think Punisher being there is really cool because he was a main character in the 90s cartoon, and he was actually in the Man Spider episodes. Yeah. Um, also, fun concept. I would love to see Hulk in Man Spider fight. I think that'd be really sick. That would be a good thing. Monster Hulk. Not just, you know, but um that's all I got for the trailer. Okay, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

So I have heard that Tom Holland has described Spider-Man's relationship with the Punisher in this as like a big brother, little brother thing. So I definitely think that Punisher is gonna have a much bigger role in this um this movie. I almost said series because I'm so hooked on like comics, but um, I really think we're gonna get that interaction a lot, which I think is gonna be good. And I think, or I kind of hope something along these lines will happen that Punisher Spider-Man's trying to figure out how to balance the two, and and Punisher's gonna be the the devil's advocate and saying you need to be the hero, you need to forget your old life, just like I have forgotten my old life. Yeah, you need to just continue on and forget it, forget her, leave her alone, go be Spider-Man, go be a hero, man up and Spider-Man's like having to struggle with that. So as he's transforming into man spider, Punisher's like, This is what I'm telling you you are not going to be able to be, or even be like, if you become a monster. I have to put you down.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:01

That yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be really cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:04

But I think Punisher's gonna play a big role. I'm not a big Punisher fan. I'm not either. But just because I've never really read stuff. Like if there's a good Punisher comic out there, recommend it, please. I will read it. I think Punisher Punisher Ward is it War Journal? War Journal is the one that gets recommended a lot, I think. Um Punisher Max is I've heard is also really good, but I don't really care much for Garth Innis, but this is a conversation for another time. Uh we're gonna have to start making notes of things that we've said. We'll talk about this.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:29

Yeah, we'll talk about this later and we just never do.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

Yeah. The episode title will be things that we were gonna talk about.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:34

Things that we were gonna talk about that we didn't. It's like oh my my my last uh my last bathroom experience. Um bathroom talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:42

Hello and welcome to the hello, welcome to bathroom talk here on the on the pool list.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:48

But but I think the I think the cinematography is great. I think that is the thing that really stands out the most. The suit looks good. There's such a great contrast between everything else and the suit.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

Do you think, question for you, that they edited this trailer when he's fighting the ninja, the hand at the end?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

I don't know. I I th I definitely think there might be some edits. Um I don't know. I I don't even either. And honestly. Because there's also the one shot where he webs the sword and breaks it and his eyes are black. Yes. Um that's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:24

They say that Mary Jane is in his eyes.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:25

You can see his reflect the yeah, you can see Mary Jane. Yeah, so and it's like his eyes are getting a little red. So what if because doesn't Man Spider have red eyes?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:32

Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

So I'm getting excited.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:35

I'm I'm gonna be honest with you. I I hope they didn't edit it. I hope it is just Spider-Man. I'm gonna be honest, but and and I want that because I don't want all these other characters like it's cool to see Spider-Man interact with other characters, right? Like, I mean that's cool, but I just want a Spider-Man, like let's just focus on Spider-Man in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:54

Yeah, no, I agree. I think having Spider-Man be the focus, having, you know, um him fighting. I wonder, like, what's the deal? Because there is a lot of villains. You've got the hand, you've got scorpion, you've got boomerang, tarantula, um, who else? Um I think those are the those are the main ones that they showed off. Yeah. Uh Gene Gray, or is it Gene Gray? Supposedly Gene Gray, that's a big rumor. Sadie Sinks character, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:22

But we don't know for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:23

Yeah, we don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:24

Um the the damage control is the villain.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:28

Um you've got Keith David voicing somebody. Somebody question mark? No, I'm just kidding. That would be cool because he voices Spawn. Yeah. Um I don't know, but he Spawn? Spawn is in the movie. This is a Todd McFarlane movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:41

Yes! We're getting in.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:44

Um, but I think um, I don't know. I think because he his his monologue is really cool. He's he's talking about how like between a spider's life cycle. Spider's life cycle. Yes, I can't even do this. Um but it's vulnerable to threats between. But it's vulnerable to threats threats to between cycles, but when it makes it between cycles, it's almost a rebirth. Right. So I'm wondering kind of what that's I don't know. I'm wondering what that means. Right. So maybe we'll get a new Spider-Man by the end of it, a new, you know, maybe he'll have he won't need web shooters anymore um after all this is over. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

The the question, the true question will be how will this impact Doomsday and Secret Wars to come?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:38

Well, Doomsday, I don't think he's gonna be in Doomsday.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:41

I don't think he's in Doomsday.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:42

He's gonna be in Secret Wars. And I will say, he better get the symbiote. If he this is the one spot that like you gotta do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:51

You gotta do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:52

Because I'm I'm trying to not be that fan that's like put it put venom in it, put venom, you know, like you know, as much as I want it more than anybody else, there's a time and a place for it. Secret Wars has always been that time and a place. Yes, you know, especially if Marvel's gonna like that's the one big thing out of Secret Wars is he gets the black suit. So if they do it, maybe if they don't, I don't know how it's gonna be different because it's gonna be different. It is. Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:12

Isn't it gonna be for the good the better or for the worse different? I don't know because it remained to be seen.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:17

Isn't after Secret Wars aren't they rebooting everything?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:20

That is the rumor that they're gonna recast everybody for younger actors.

unknown 1:10:25

Don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:26

Yeah, Marvel. Yeah, like I don't know. I don't I don't I think Marvel needs a break.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:31

I think so. I'd let DC, I know they won't do it, but let DC have at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:37

Yeah. Well DC's not doing much either.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:40

Besides, like But DC's slowing down because they don't want to fall into the same problem as Marvel does.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:45

That's true, you're right, you're right. Yeah, Marvel's got a problem now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:48

Because we've got to release new stuff. Speaking of which, Daredevil came out today.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:52

Did you watch it? I haven't seen it. I haven't seen any of the Daredevil. I haven't seen the original show, I haven't seen the Disney Plus show. You've not seen the original show? I've seen I've watched a bit of it. Okay, I've watched like I sounded British there for a second.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:03

I watched a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of Al Ewing came out.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:09

Don't come after me.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:12

Oh yes, my favorite villain is uh Chairman because he uh he turns people into Twinkies, and I can really relate to that. I like Twinkie.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:21

That is an actual thing if you read uh one of the Venom books uh at the end of the uh like the little commentary area in the back of the book, he says that his favorite or his most relatable villain is chairman. Don't get me started. No, I won't. I I shouldn't have even said that. Uh who is Al you? I'm sure we'll because we're uh we're getting uh more death spiral stuff. I haven't read I'm not up to date yet, but the next issue people are thinking that Dylan will die, and if he does, I will be pissed. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:50

Uh-huh. Okay, I'm looking at you very confused. I like our audience can see that because that is the torment guys attacking bloodlines, remember? We will kill Dylan before we will kill Paul.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:03

Probably. Honestly, you know, that don't surprise me. Okay. Alright then. But you know what? That'll be on a brand new day. And you know what else is on a brand new day? This movie. I'm very excited about this. This will be. I think I'm very excited. I think this will be a I don't know if it'll be the best Spider-Man film, but right now it's looking like the best one that Marvel's dropped.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:22

I'll agree with that. You know? Now, No Way Home is good. I like No Way Home a lot, but I think No Way Home just hits a lot of nostalgia.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

That I think that's what I think. Because I like No Way Home, but it's it's a big nostalgia. That's that's what drives the whole film.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:35

I think that's what's going to be the problem when Secret Wars rolls around, because we're gonna get Hugh Jackman, we may get Toby McGuire, we may get all these like nostalgia actors, and I think that's what's driving Doomsday right now, too. This is not what we plan on talking about. That's okay, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. I think that's what's driving Doomsday right now, too, is they're banking on the X-Men's return, probably for the last time until they reboot it again. Um and I think that's what they're I I think that's what they're banking on. That's that was the trailer I think that did the best. That's what that's what hyped me up more, was like, yo, the X-Men, all that's crazy, and they're getting Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, and they're getting all these guys. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah. But then I kind of stepped back and I was like, that's really what they're banking on. And Robert Downe Jr. as Doctor Doom, yeah, Chris. Caps comes back, Chris Himsworth is coming back. So Scarlett Johansson though. Yeah, no, she's dead. Yeah, she probably will somehow.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:31

Yeah. Paul Rabbins. Paul Rabbins in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:33

So I I think that's the problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:35

Are you worried about how they filmed Doomsday? Do you know how they filmed it? I know how they're rewriting the script every day. Are they wait, what? Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:42

Yeah, Robert Downer Jr. came out the other day and said that they're rewriting the script every day on set.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:47

That's not good. No. That's not good at all. No. And the fact that everything, because a lot of people are like, I don't even know what scene I'm in. They're just like, Oh yeah. You're they're filming in rooms that are complete green screen. They're talking to people that they don't know who they're talking to. And the scenes of like, for example, let's say it's um who is the guy from Black Panther that does the chant that's really cool. Oh Mambaku. Mumbaku, yeah. Mumbaku and Thing are talking, right? In the trailer. Um they're talking, and like, I need to watch that trailer again. I've I've only I think I've only watched it once. Um did they drop a trailer or did they just drop pictures?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:22

They just dropped those two, those four trailers with Cap, Thor, the X-Men, and then the Black Panther and the Fantastic Four.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:28

Okay, that's what I Okay. Um so my thing is that like my thing, uh, with the the thing and then Bobby. It's covering you. Um, but they um uh like a lot of the scenes, for example, a lot of the actors have been talking about how they're in these rooms talking to characters and they don't know who they're talking to. It's a single actor in a single room having a two-man scene with someone they don't even know who they're talking to. That's scary. That is scary. And like if I mean, I mean, I if it's I hope it's like a big lie thing, they're just like, oh yeah, tell tell people this, like say this to the press. But like, I don't know. I'm just I'm just uh I'm I'm worried about it. I'm really worried about Doomsday because especially because it was supposed to be Kang. It was supposed to be King Dynasty, yeah, and all of it got completely flipped after the whole deal with the actor and and his wife. Um and you know, maybe Doom will be great as as Robert Downey Jr. We'll see. Like If I'm skeptical. If they don't sh if it's not like an alternate Iron Man, which I don't I think I think they've come from come out and said it's not. If it would have been, I don't think they would have revealed that it's Iron that it is Tony Stark. That would have been the biggest plot twist, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:34

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:34

Um I guess we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:36

But why can't we just have Victor Von Doom? Why do we have to have uh well, isn't he supposed to be Victor Don Doom? I think he is supposed to be Victor Von Doom, but he's not You're not gonna be able to see Victor Von Doom, you're only gonna see Robert Downing Jr., which means you're only gonna be able to see Iron Man. You're not gonna be able to experience Dr.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:54

Doom in his fullest. Well, unless he's just in his mask. And they just never take the mask off.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:58

I don't think they're gonna do that though. I think Robert Downing Jr. has too much of a face to for them to hide behind a mask the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:06

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:07

I I don't know. I don't know. We could be wrong in December when this rolls around, but I don't know. I'm not very excited. I'm more excited for the brand new day than I am Doomsday.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:15

Yeah.

Invincible Season 4 Reactions

SPEAKER_01 1:16:15

But speaking of things that we are excited for. Oh, yes. I wish I had the invincible thing that I could just play right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:25

Like, Satan, this is I love that bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:30

I'm so glad they keep doing it. Yeah, me too. Like it it does not get old. Like it's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

So we are at season four of uh you have not read the comic, no, but I have. It is my favorite comic book of all time. My favorite comic book.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:45

You said that and that surprised me.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:47

Not because it's like I hate it. I don't hate it. I think it's great. It's just I didn't expect that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:51

Yeah. Yeah. I love Superman, love Spider-Man, love Captain America. I have I have favorite comic books, but Invent is my favorite series of all time. I will probably be doing a post on why it is my favorite series of all time in the foreseeable future. When that is, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:06

But uh season four dropped. Yes. And the first four episodes have dropped. Actually, when I came over to record with you today, you were finishing episode four.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:15

Yep, I was finishing it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:16

Uh, we watched episode three, uh the first three episodes dropped last week, and episode four dropped today. They're dropping on a weekly basis. I think it's only eight episodes this season.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:25

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:26

Or maybe they'll do what they've done in the in the past where it's like a midpoint and then they'll release more. But I think how many episodes do they usually have? I thought they had eight usually. They might be only eight in eight. Um you know, one thing I want to talk about before we talk about and review this season so far, which I guess we're at the midpoint, which is kind of crazy to think about.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:44

Is it really? Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:45

If there's only eight episodes and episode four came out today. Yeah, I guess we're already halfway through.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:49

They dropped three on the first day. Yeah, that was a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:51

So one thing I want to talk about real quick is how stacked this voice acting cast is. This has J.K. Simmons, Stephen Ewan. I mean, you have, but you also have Peter Coleman. Yeah Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime and we didn't play this time. Or last time. But but um, I mean, the voice cast alone, like the animation, I know it gets harped on a lot. Yeah. And you've got something to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:20

I had a couple animation notes for the show for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:22

But but the voice acting alone, like I hope because Skybound Image is doing um the Transformer G.I. Joe series in the next couple of years. I hope that voice acting cat cast is just a stack. And I hope Peter Cullen is the voice of Optimus in that.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:38

Oh, he's gonna, he's gonna have to be. I hope he is. There's no way they wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:41

Um But you know, that's what that's what I hope continues because that's what makes this show. Well, the story is great, of course, but the voice acting is also like on point perfect.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

So let's get into first four episodes.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:56

Yes, the first four episodes. So, real quick, um, I I know you said that I uh am not re I haven't read it. Um there's a reason why. I I didn't really know much about Invincible until the show came out. I watched the sh first when season two came out, I watched it. Well, sorry, when season one was out, I watched the entire show. I did not like it. Really? Yes, I did not like it. It just I I couldn't get into the world because everything I felt like everything was so like, oh, this is just off-brand this character, this is just off-brand that character. Fair enough, you know. Um, but then when season two came out, I was like, I need to give it a shot again. Like it looks good, everybody's talking about it. Let me give it another shot. And I sat and I watched it, and I enjoyed it way more. Okay. I on the and a lot of my friends have had that. A lot of my friends said, Yeah, I watched it, didn't like it, but then I revisited it later and I really liked it the second time. Um, so I really enjoyed it, I love it now. So every time I watch it, I'm all for it. I binged all three seasons whenever I was re-watching it again. Um and um, but I had said that like you know, you'd mentioned like you've got to read it. I I've purposely avoided the books because there's it's not too off like I've read a lot of good comics, I've not watched a lot of good comic adaptations. Sure. So I think getting to watch this and watch it for the first time and getting all of the story is a lot better than me reading it and know it because I I've done that a lot, right? Like I read a lot of the books and I know how these stories go, so when I watch it, I'm trying to find like, okay, is this right? Is that right? But this I have no clue. So there's like a lot of things that like, you know, I know you showed me the reprint of the Invincible book that came out today. Um, that the whole hell scene that's in the episode isn't even in the book. No, and I wouldn't have known that. I was fully invested and it was I thought it was a good little you know, yeah store, like it was a good spacer.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:38

Um that's what I explained to my wife when I was talking about it today that the that the hell story was kind of added, probably because there is no real like I don't want to say pacing, but it just kind of like skips to straight to like a an important part in the comics. So they kind of put that in to stretch it out a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Um but I that's a fair point. Like there aren't Spectacular Spider-Man is the only other one that immediately comes to mind. Maybe X-Men 97, like the recent series, even, but there's not a bunch of great superhero adaptation shows, cartoon shows, that is. Yeah. And uh so that's a fair point. But I still think I I think I think you should read it. I really do.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:23

I I think what I'll do is when the show is completely over, I might read the book. Okay, fair enough. Just to get a just to get a second, like, oh, that wasn't even in the book. Like, oh, that was a whole, you know, another section or whatever. Um I definitely think then. I'm just enjoying the show so much. It's such a good show. It it is, and um but I mean, let's go ahead and get into the new season for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:44

Let's get into it. So episode uh one of the episodes I really want to talk about is the episode where they explain the history of the Vilcher Mites.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:52

That was a really good episode. And that was tough to watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:55

It was, yeah. Um so that one I d I don't think that's in the comics. Uh the beginning part with Nolan and his parents, uh with Omni Nan Omni Man and his parents. That I don't recall that being in the book. And I could be totally wrong, but the rest of the history of the Vilcher mites is and that's a that's a really cool episode. I know we're skipping episode one, yeah. But episode one uh is is was also really good because it ends with Mark having to kill uh the astronaut who was possessed by the Sekwoid. Um and that was a good episode. It was just a very much, in my opinion, it was getting caught up. Your okay, this is because that's why a show that does streaming, that's why they will release a bundle of episodes, because your first like three are maybe your slowest.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:44

And so that's why I think they released these three together because episode one is good, but it's like, okay, where have we seen these characters since we last left them?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:53

And then it ends with Mark killing the guy who was possessed by the scene.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:56

Right, which is a great, like, okay, now I want to watch the rest of it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:59

Yeah, yeah. And so I think that's why they did that. And of course, Robot and Monster Girl are in the uh the Flaxen's dimension.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:06

Which I'm wondering if that's gonna and you again you've read it, so you might say nothing. I'm wondering if that's gonna lead to them both coming out as adults because you know they're both adults in kids' bodies, um, for the most part. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:19

I plead the fifth.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:20

Oh, yep, yeah. Oh yeah, you can't say anything because you'll say anything that you'll spoil it. So that that's where that's where my brain's at, is I'm like, oh, are they gonna become adults now? And like, you know, since they've been kids this whole time, and because like now Monster Girl can become an adult, right? She's she is getting older now, and the weird fetus thing now is in Rex's clone body. You're right. And he's I guess a normal person growing up now. So yeah, that that's my I'm excited to see that. I don't know if it's gonna happen. You do, I guess, but I don't know. So I'm just not gonna say anything else.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:55

Because you're giving me a you're giving me one of those little half smiles, and I'm just like anything. Um but I will say, like, your your experience with Invincible is gonna be really interesting because you you don't know what happens. Like, this is all brand new to you, and that's a good place to be in. And I I kind of wish I was back in there, but reading the comic, oh man, reading.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:19

You got you got all the you got all the cool parts early. Yeah, that's because that's what my buddies did. Like, they watched the show, got into it, and then they bought all the books and then read all the way through it because they're like, I can't wait. And I'm like, but I want to wait. Like, I and of course, and I freaking spoiled parts for myself because I was because they handed me the book and they were like, hey, flip through this, check it out. And then I saw um, spoiler alert, um, Adam Eve on the toilet with the pregnancy test, and it's saying positive, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna kill myself. This is awful.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:49

Um, so that was that was a good first episode to get you back hooked. Um, my wife has not watched uh Gabriella has not watched any of the other episodes. So this was her first time watching Invincible. Okay. And she knows she knows the main part. She knows Omni Man, she knows this scene where what will you have after 500 years? She knows that scene's mark. She knows also that I'm a big fan because she has seen from my bachelor party what oh the good friend Channel did.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:17

We had the giant, like what did it say?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:19

It's the The Bachelor Boys featuring play in Paul, Shannon, and Andrew. Shout out to all the guys. Yes. Uh we had a great bachelor party.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:29

We did, and then we had there were printed pictures of thick Omni Man all over the house we were renting for the Bachelor Party. It was so funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:35

And all we did that day was, I mean, it was awesome. We played Black Ops 2, the original Star Wars Battlefront 2. It was great. We tried hot sauce with the week. We tried hot sauce.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:44

It was fun, yeah, because you can eat freaking Carolina Reaper sauce and be like, uh, it's kind of hot.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:49

Yeah, so if you have hot sauce, send it to Clayton, I don't want it. But but anyways, so um that was fun. So she knows I like him. That was her first episode watching it, and where he Mark punches the guy and just shatters his face. The guy possessed by the sequid. Um, she was like, This is violent. I'm like, you know, this is violent because I have sheep with showing you the other scenes. She's like, well, it's just that like in a cartoon, I can't really watch the violence. She's like, I could probably see it in in real life and and not and be okay with it. I'm like, I'm the opposite. I would rather see it in a cartoon because it doesn't bother me as much.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:25

It doesn't bother me as much either, yeah, because it because it's a cartoon. But also, like, I really like um I got Elise to start watching it too. We actually started, I started around episode one. She's kind of seen some of the episodes um and the plot twist at the end. I think she knew the Omni Man, she's I guess she had like watched over the shoulder and been like, I know he's bad at some point. Um, but she was shocked when he when he when he killed the Guardians of the Globe. Yeah, she was like, Why did he just do all that? And I was like, I don't know, you gotta watch it. Like, there's a reason for all of this, you know. And um, but um getting to see his origin though, yeah, that's the one. Getting to see the planet getting like it got this uh it got like a bio the the scourge virus, yeah. The scourge virus, and watching all of these guys die. Yes, and everyone's getting infected, and no one gets infected, but he somehow survives. Yes. Um, some some people survive, yes, but not everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:16

That's why there's 50 the less than 50 pure-blooded Viltramites left in the uh in the universe because they're the only ones that left on an entire planet. That's what I kept like thinking about the whole time watching that episode. Like, this planet probably has let's say even seven billion Viltramites down to 50. Yeah, that is insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:36

And I mean, you see the trails of of bodies and you see like piles just like where uh Nolan is fighting his parents in the beginning. Um there just pile like thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of bodies just piled up everywhere, right? And seeing that it's kind of like oh, it's it you know, it's it's crazy. Yeah, I don't know, it's it's it's like you you don't like the Viltermites because. like the first thing you're introduced to is how like they're literally willing to kill their own children right because they're not like oh if you're not gonna be strong enough then I'm just gonna go ahead and kill you now you know and they literally like Nolan's parents beat him up just to see if he's tough enough. Yeah and that like that's his test to the brink of adult yeah to to the brink of being dead. Yeah. And then like immediately everybody's like vom like literally the first guy who starts like vomiting up blood they're like oh did your parents punch you too hard this morning you lose her and then like everybody starts doing it and they're like okay what's happening something's happening. But like you kind of start to like I I felt bad for that. It's a cool thing because they this they start the episode making you be like God these guys suck. Like this their their whole planet sucks like their race sucks. Paula's race is confirmed. No no no no no just against filter mites just against filters just against filter mites they're bad people they're really bad people um but um but like then you feel bad because you're like man but they're losing everybody and like now you see like what it looks like when they're actually scared. And that was the whole point of Nolan no Nolan going out was to find a mate and repopulate. Right. That's why he's screwing all these women having babies everywhere. Yeah um so and then the rest of the episode continues as it's we're back in the present day and Nolan and Alan the alien are uh searching for reasons to sorry go ahead I know what part you're laughing at yeah they're searching for the creatures yeah like enemies things that can kill the Viltramites to finish off and yeah to start a regime and every night Alan and his wife maybe multiple times a night have sex continuously and it's so funny because it goes to them on their mission then it just immediately cuts to Nolan on the couch like covering his ears while they're while they're having sex and then it goes back to them doing another mission and it cuts back to them on and then like Nolan ends up getting up and leaving one night to find out that there are other rooms on this ship that he was not told about and he almost kills the pilot of the ship who was an absolute idiot yeah um because of it. It's really funny the comedy in this show is great. Oh it is they they know when to hit things and how hard to hit they know when like there's they know what's too much and what's not enough.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:14

This show yeah yeah oh man it's so good it's so good it's such a good show um yeah I knew as soon as you started laughing I knew what you were laughing about how can you forget we started counting we were watching it at my friend's house and we started counting we were like four five six like you know I also want to make a quick note on episode two because again going back to the voice acting the scene between Omni Man and um Thaddeus Peter Collins voice actor and and JK Simmons that scene dude just the voice acting alone like I could have closed my eyes and just been like these two have some of the most iconic voices ever and just listening to them like I could just listen to that all day. Yeah if they did an audiobook for 24 hours long yeah just sit there and listen to a button.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:03

It's like Morgan Freeman yeah it's like oh like the piece the piece sounds but you find out that Peter Cullen's character um was the one who unleashed the one who unleashed the Scourge virus and he was a he's a Viltramite yes did why did he do that again?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:16

He did it because so his reasoning was to hopefully get rid was to get rid of because he killed the original Viltramite leader and that was his hope Argyll to kill Argyll was that so the people might see the the error of their ways that they maybe that maybe since he was just a violent ruler if you killed him maybe the rest of the Viltramites would be peaceful.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:40

But that didn't work so then Thaddeus thought that the only way to stop the Viltimites was to unleash the virus yeah and to just wipe the whole race yeah and and we see Nolan I think it's really cool to see Nolan regretting like all the things he's done he really regrets Earth. Yes like it's you know which his character development has been great because even like going back to season one like watching that first episode with Elise again like it was um you know seeing him like finally killing everybody and like his main goal is to just get build Vilchum back up and then like Mark being a kid and now you see Mark and Mark's like this adult who's got so much weighing on him and you see Nolan who's just trying his best to fix his mistakes. And you know he's like like there is the there's the planet where they're like yeah we froze the planet because we had that's the only way we can stop these guys. Right. And it's just like yeah you guys were screwed he's like Alan says like man every time I think you guys might be okay right like you show me something like this and you just prove to me that I'm always wrong.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:37

Even that even that because that follows the scene and he's like yeah we put this solar disc up to block the sun out to freeze the planet.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:43

Yeah and he's like can you move it out of the way and the captain's like I'm gonna make up for my past mistakes and blows it up and they're like we said to move it not to blow it up because then everything starts unfalling falling and all these like dinosaur monster things are trying to kill kill them and they almost do it they almost win. But yeah like um I think like I think that was probably the best episode so far out of all I think that was the most invested season. Because that was the one episode that when me and me and all my buddies were watching it that we all were like completely silent throughout the whole thing. Like through all those we were like chit chatting and stuff but this one we were just like very invested watching all this.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:17

So I I'm I'm like right there with you because Gabriela um you know being pregnant your feet swell up so and so she's stuck on the couch and she's got to watch all the yeah yeah and she's also on her feet all day. Right. So I was massaging her feet and while we were binging the first three episodes and I just stopped during that episode. And I'm and I'm hooked like watching and every so often she'll like kick me and be like hey I'm not trying to be rude but I my feet really hurt.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:48

I'm like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah um like you're slowly stopping because you're just you can't stop watching it like and eventually she just said okay thank you that's that's enough I love Gabriela incredible. I am I'm very lucky but anyways um but also we had so um episode three we have that was episode two episode three was the final of the first release which what uh that was the episode where I forgore.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:19

Well the main reveal for episode three is that Adam Eve is pregnant.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:23

That Adam yes Adam Eve is is pregnant at the end and that's why her powers are gone because throughout these episodes she's having a hard time using her powers as everything she makes it just melts into rainbow goo. Right. And you find out that she's pregnant. So um that was a really I I kind of figured whenever her I was like yeah she's it's probably the pregnant thing um which is really crazy. And then um we get in the newest episode that dropped today we get a whole storyline about like hell and all this stuff going on which was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:52

It was kind of off to the side I'll say this was my least favorite episode of Invincible that they have done so far. Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:58

Why? Is it just because of like the the like is it because they make hell like not that bad of a place that kind of bothered me a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:07

Yeah but that's just the Christian thing I guess man I really it was actually funny because I'm working on my script for the Isaiah 43 podcast which is my other podcast that I do podcast plug yeah you did another I did you're right um so anyway so I was working on the script and it I was also watching Invincible while I was doing it I was trying to multitask and they started talking about hell and stuff and I'm like I can't work on my my Bible podcast while I'm listening to this. Yeah and and really I I I could talk about like why I think their d depiction of hell is just wrong but it's not even it's not even that that I didn't like but but I do agree with you I didn't I didn't care much for that yeah yeah but frankly I don't really care I don't I don't care about these characters. And that's kind of why like with the rest of Invincible they have established these characters they have made you care about them but this Damien dark blood and his siblings in hell and Satan getting power again I I don't care. Yeah I don't I I I just I'm not invested and it didn't feel like sure Invincible is there and he's like he he kind of doesn't even know why he's there in this episode. But it really was not about Invincible until the end.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:24

Yeah and in the beginning the beginning had a little bit but I think those are my favorite parts is the fact that we get that scene at the beginning where he's questioning if he should be a hero. Right because he's really trying he's he's really concerned with being his dad. Right. He's like I don't want to be my dad and he doesn't know the changes that his dad has been going through because this has been a he thinks he's dead. He thinks he's dead and um he's like I just don't deserve to wear this costume I don't deserve this and you know they have that great with Mark Hamill who is playing the costume shop guy the great voice actor and um they're talking about like he's like well I I made the original suit for you again just in case you wanted to go back but you know it's up to you whatever remember who you are remember who you are yeah and the the the hell stuff is very side plot yes side and you know and yeah it's very side quest. I did really like when they're falling down the pit to get the crown and they're having that conversation about why um what's the guy's name Damien Damien pulls his mask back every time he talks and he's like why do you do that? And he's just like I don't know it just it it's cool. Like that's the overall like reasoning behind all of it but he keeps doing it he keeps doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:28

It's because Damien doesn't talk in complete sentences so he's like cool I guess cool I guess I don't know that was just yeah I will give you that that like that part I enjoyed and even like okay so even that scene for example this is why I was kind of bored with this episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:44

So that scene they fall down they're trying to get this this crown so Satan can get his powers back or whatever and he's supposed Invincible is supposed to fight Cerberus which is is cool like a cool concept because we're incorporating Greek mythology with all this so that's kind of new yeah you don't you don't show it they they see he grabs Damien and he's like I'll catch you in just a minute and he throws him as high as he can and you just see Damien going back up the hole and then slowly stopping and then falling back down and then by the time invincible gets him the fight's over. Yeah and it was just like because I noticed I was like oh that's a cop out right there that's that was very yeah that's like oh they didn't have the budget for that yeah so I I don't know and that's a meta joke within Invincible anyways is that they cut things to yeah so you don't see it and yeah so I I just I just didn't like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:30

It was just boring for me and I just was not invested in the characters.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:34

That's my reasoning my but my big thing was the end of the episode where uh Adam Eve is talking to what's his friend's name um gosh uh it's on the tip of my tongue I can hear it I can um I don't want to say Grayson because that's not right oh well anyway she's talking to Invincible's best friend yeah his best friend and you know Adam tells him like I'm pregnant and he's like oh my gosh congratulations that's such good news and she's like I no like I don't know if I want this right I don't know if I can do this right now and she's scared also because it's a super it's gonna be a superpowered baby right and his friend makes that note. Right and you know like oh he's gonna have superpowers and she's like that's you know it's it's I don't know she just seems like she wants kids but not right now. And he's like well girl why aren't you why you like I appreciate you telling me but you need to tell him like you need to tell Mark because Mark still doesn't know right and she goes to his house to tell him and she's like and she's like are you okay and he's like no but I'm getting better. Yeah like I'm getting there and he's and she's like there's really no good time to tell you this so and then who is floating above the house none other than Omni Man Omni Man and Alan and Alan and it's just like oh Mark there is a war. There's a war we need you yeah like yeah yeah and it was just like oh like the timing is really good for all this because you're you're waiting to hear about all this and you're waiting for but it's just like it's just so close. And I'm hoping the next I I don't know when I don't know when they're gonna like you know I don't when she's gonna tell him but I'm so ready to see that conversation you know um he's clutching his mic oh no is it time to end this episode already um but yeah I want to say this is a really good series I'm really liking it so far.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:23

Um I uh with the is it every week that every Wednesday okay that's really cool um just just like the comic book um that's why Wednesdays are like my second favorite day of the week as Sundays I have to give it to church because I really like going to church and and and worshiping and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:39

Honestly I thought you were going to say like my favorite day of the week is Friday because it's the end of the day well that too but Wednesday's new comic book day it's Invincible day it's now going to be Daredevil day basically so it's gonna be Wednesday's we can good. Yeah also I I want to make I did I forgot to mention this there was I have a little complaint about the new season yes you do you gotta talk about that there are the first of all the animation of this show has always been fantastic season one two three and even a lot of four have been really really good but man that first episode of season four the animation was rough I don't know if anybody I didn't notice this there there's a scene where Adam Adam Eve and um Adam Eve and Invincible are Adam Eve and are in the kitchen talking and we oh that should be a button. That should be we're getting our button out you know that should be it um but they're talking in the kitchen and like when like when uh Invincible walks up to her it just looks like a cool math like a like do you know those I don't know if everybody knows what cool math is but like do you remember when you're little and you're in school and you get computer time and you go on like a game website and you're playing like Papa's pizzeria flash yeah like Flash gets games yeah um not flash gets that's a YouTube channel. Like plugging people we don't even know yeah yeah yeah well I know what you mean like flash media games yeah it and the the him walking up to her and then walking out of the kitchen looked like a cutscene from one of those games. It just did not look good.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:09

I don't know what I really need to go back and and watch that from a yeah when we when this is over I'll pull it up okay just so you can see it.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:15

But like I don't know it just I because I got worried and I was just like is it just me or does the animation because like I had just watched that first episode. We were getting into the second episode and I was like oh no the animation is quality looks like it's going down. That's not good.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:29

But then it got back up quick and like then it was fine for the rest of the the the uh the episodes I think what invincible does and I've noticed this with every season is that they really save the budget for the last episode. I get that yeah and and so yeah the conquest fight in the last season was awesome that was insane so I was I'll do a quick story about that I'm watching that episode and I'm seeing all these moments from the comic books that I'm seeing and even the the the line where he's like you're wrong I can see into the future and you don't make it to tomorrow and uh that scene like I'm I'm I'm in the floor watching it yeah because I'm watching on my phone and like I have nowhere else to like stretch out in the office and you're like laying in the floor I'm laying on the floor like yeah I'm just enjoying it yeah and man I like hit on the floor I'm like let's go let's freaking go baby yeah like that's awesome and my buddy who works on the floor below me texted me and said is everything okay I just heard a really loud noise I said yeah everything's fine what'd you hear yeah I don't know what that is I just I just plumbing or something you know that's fine definitely wasn't watching invincible you're just like banging your head on the floor like as Mark is doing it you're like this is so interactive my boss walks up and he's like Claire are you okay I just defeated Concord this guy's certainly not coming back now right you sure did you eat lunch today no I lost a bit to Bob Bob wasn't in the new super minute but oh no oh my god but anyway so what would you rate this new season of Invincible so far on um I don't I feel I feel bad rating it early but I'll go ahead and give it a rating now.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:18

Yeah I guess we're halfway through um what out of what?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:24

Out of 10 10 being the greatest show you have ever watched one being absolute dog pop one being ultimate spire many people are gonna hate this they're gonna be like I hate you guys I'm not watching your show anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:41

Like uh you know oh so like one is like dog food right things I like better than ultimate spire dog food dog food um uh definitely it's not a I think the last season was uh I think the last season was a 10. I would season three was a 10 yeah I think last season was a 10. I think season one I'm gonna I'm writing the seasons just so I can kind of figure out where I want to put this one so far. Season one What happened in season two? Was season two the multiverse stuff?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:17

Uh no that happened in season three season two was when Oliver was first introduced and Mark reunites with Omni Man on the on that planet and then the Vilternites take him away okay you're right okay so I would rate what's the big finale like the finale of season two?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:37

I can't remember is it's not when Mark gets taken away I think it's when that's when the the multiverse guy starts to to be when Angstrom starts coming oh that's when he fights yeah he fights him and that's when like is that when we get spider agent spider in season yes that's the ending of season two right that's season two because then he comes back in season three with the multiverse stuff okay sorry I I forgot about season two um honestly I think I would rate it like I think every season has gotten better. I think I think like if I had to rate it rank it in like season like season three is my favorite season two is my second season one is my third season four has got to be my fourth as of right as of right now with you as of right now like do I think it can change absolutely do I know where the story's going not at all but I I think it could change but right now so far from season one to season three it every season was better. I do think like the Invincible war was a lot shorter than it should have been I do think you know but um it's okay it's like you know it's it's like what one or two issues in the comics you know it's not that long anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:43

So I'll tell you this knowing what happens in the comics everything gets better every single time every arc every plot every character development everything gets better every single time this is why I think Robert Kirkman is arguably the best writer in comics wow I I stick by that because of what he does with Invincible you see his growth as a writer and everything just progressively gets better.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:13

Yeah and I I mean I love Chip Zadarsky I love Mark Wade I love all these other writers I think Robert Kirkman is the best that's why I think what he's about to do with Transformers is going to be incredible but um that's gonna be next time that that comes out I think that's I think that's you know I I I will agree I think that Robert Kirkman I don't I wouldn't say he's the best just because I don't know if I know enough to to rate that but this is probably one of the best developing stories that I've been involved. Like it every you see the growth the growth stays these the characters are all the same you can tell that this guy has all this planned out or at least has a concept of all this planned out and is sticking close to it. Now the show being a little bit different I don't know but so far what I'm seeing out of the show is all the characters they have their place when you know like I remember when Rex died uh in the second season I think it's it's it's with the invincible war so it's the third season when he dies like that that was like because even him like a character that was he sucked in season one but he developed to the point where when he dies you're like oh man that sucks you know I don't know it's just there's there's a the character development is very well and the story the driving of the story is really good too I I I think it's yeah the best comic series out there but that's my opinion. So anyways anything else you want to talk about before we wrap it up man I think we've covered it we talked about Superman Spider-Man we've talked about Spider-Man brand new day we've talked about uh doomsday and uh and secret wars and now invincible so I think what do we got coming next week I know we've got Absolute Batman comes out when does that come out I think that comes out in two to three weeks I think we've got a little while before Absolute Batman comes out again. I don't know uh I really don't know when we're gonna have another big comic week it might be a little bit it might be I know I know next week I'll be out of town so we won't have nothing coming out next week um two weeks out maybe three weeks out definitely yeah so keep keep keep listening we're we're posting not regularly but we'll we're just kind of I try to post at least three times a week yeah on the on the social yes on socials we post regularly but the podcast will come out just kind of sporadically so and I try to advertise each time on on Comic Nation 1776 go follow follow that's where you're gonna see all the updates we're on YouTube Spotify we're on everything podcast anywhere you get podcasts we're you can use podcast and we'd appreciate a five star review five however you rate your podcast Johnny Cates like reach out to us um yeah Frank Martin go ahead and reach out as Robert Kirkman Nick Dragata yeah Robert Kirkman dude hop on here um Scott Snyder you're the only one out of the absolute Batman that we're waiting on so you better better you know better make a move man you're the only one that wants to single you out. So you close us out every time I'll let you do it again this time everybody thank you so much for listening to this episode of Beyond the Pool list you can find Find us on anywhere that you have podcasts. And tune in next time to hear what we got next coming out. So thank you guys so much for listening, and we'll see you beyond the full list.