Episode 5: Hot Girls and Benefits (Part 2)

This episode is purely a yap sesh with zero workplace advice, so enter at your own risk. We welcome back Mal and in the middle of recapping the 401k convo with John, we detour into the future of AI and Mal's Barbie Dreamhouse - believe it or not, these two topics are related. Then we discuss finding hobbies as moms and the gatekeeping ladies/bridge trolls of each hobby. We also talk about school conferences and developmentally appropriate kid behaviors (guess which one of the cousins is a biter). In Chronically Offline, we discuss the cancellation of The Bachelorette, the Afroman lawsuit, and give you homework to read up on Zara Larsson’s rebrand.

00:00 Benefits Discussion Recap

01:16 Our AI Future

06:09 People Who Rich the Right Way

11:07 Next Episode Teaser

12:28 The Struggle with Mom Hobbies

27:01 School Conferences

33:38 Chronically Offline: Bachelorette, Afroman, and Zara Larsson

52:03 Wrap Up

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Okay, ready? Yeah, ready. Hager. We welcome back to the pod. We've missed you. Um, you're like the hardest person to schedule with in Atlanta. Um, every time I look at our text messages, there's so much blue. It's like unbelievable. So in your absence, we had a convo with my fan financial advisor. How did that go? It went pretty well. It like it is kind of interesting because the conversation that we had was definitely meant for girlies who are like new to investing, I would say, or like investing in their 401k. So it's not like advice that's gonna like rock anybody's socks off if you have a 401k, you know? Right. But like if you're if you're a new girly to the 401k sphere, atmosphere, I think it's gonna be helpful. Okay. Um, so basically his main message was like, you have to be putting money into your 401k. Also, you have to invest in like invest your 401k into something. Because if you remember, I hadn't invested mine. Um, and he was like, Oh, your 401k has been unvested for six months. Like, that's insane. So he gave us tips. We also talked about matching, like how to take advantage of your company's match. Yeah. How's your 401k looking? It's looking good. How are you? I I max it out every year because I clay is similar to John. I have like no other choice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Um, but someone was telling me they were like, in like the age of AI, you never know what's gonna happen. Like, stop contributing. And I was like, hmm. Wait, the what? Like, people say about AI that it's gonna like take the age of AI in the age of AI and like everything's gonna be so cheap in the future, and you just don't know what the future would hold. Like, live now. It was kind of bad advice, but it just made you think low key horrible advice.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

I think like people who try to predict what life is gonna be like with AI, I just feel like no one knows, you know. But I do know for sure that we're not just gonna become, like, I've heard Clay say before that we're gonna become what does he say, eaters or feeders? Food eaters. Food eaters. Yes, that's all we're gonna do. Because there's not gonna be any jobs. But that if you think about it, like AI is the end of capitalism because capitalism, not to get like all like like bro podcast on you, you know, but capitalism survives off of people purchasing things like uh in an unlimited amount. Think about how many times we place like an Amazon order. But I think the point is the robots are gonna be able to make an unlimited amount of whatever we want, so everything becomes so cheap. But if we don't have jobs, 100%. I mean, if how are we gonna buy stuff? Because you're not gonna need to buy stuff, is the point. Like, everything is just socialism. I I don't know. I don't have answers for you, but like everyone's just gonna have like whatever they want is like what people are saying. I think. I mean, honestly, let's hope for that, you know. But I I don't think so because it's like, what's your purpose? And like exactly billionaires are never gonna let that happen. Yeah, I mean, as nice as that sounds like Clay is like obsessed with AI. He got like an an Apple computer, I guess, to like code. And I don't know, to build a agency.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Named his AI agent Spectre. Oh my god. Like, Spectre was up all night working for me last night. Or like I'm out of credits, like I can't go to Spectre or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Okay, but honestly, I'm not gonna hate on that too much because I tell John all the time like my vision for myself in the future is to be wealthy and to be a member of a country club where I just lay by the pool all day. 100% you know, and play like tennis, and play tennis and mahjong and like have really cute outfits for my kids that right now I can't afford. And so if getting there requires Clay to like build an AI agent that he gives some weird ass name, you know, let it go off. It honestly, that's my vision for myself or for you, because I feel like if you achieve that that vision, then I can benefit from it. Oh, I think you meant if I, yeah, if Clay achieves it. Right. I have no, I'm I'm just saying if like Clay sells some like agentic AI, he like makes an app and becomes a billionaire. I like Loki, I benefit from that. I was studying with someone last night and they're like, What do you think about AI? Like, accounting's the first to go. Or something. Like, oh perfect. Oh my god. I hate when people have that conversation. I do think I'm you know, John, I feel like we'll be fine because sales is gonna be sales, like you always need salespeople, but AI will be able to automate like leadership development, and then I'll be out of a job. So maybe then I can finally open a boutique that loses$30,000 a month. Honestly, that's the dream. Truly. A boutique. Truly. There's this lady. Um, have you told you about the lady that that owns a champagne store near us? What?

SPEAKER_01 4:22

No.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

And you walk in and you're just it's like her and her best friend, and it's literally the only thing they sell is champagne. Okay. Okay. And I mean, you walk in and you're like, there's no way you're making a profit from this. And then she came and introduced herself to us when we went once, and she was like the cutest. Like, you can just tell that she does Pilates for 20 hours a day, you know? And that her rich husband just funds this champagne. I mean, like, just go, just get out of my house. Right, get out of the house and go do it. And I was like, babe, you are living the dream, literally. Oh my god. Wait, that's it, and like literally all they sell is champagne. And they do like tastings, I guess. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

That would be a fun like girl's thing. Do they have like host things?

SPEAKER_00 4:59

They're awesome. I know they the last time I went there, they didn't have good food. Like, they put some chips on the table and the chips were stale. Oh, and again, she doesn't care. She doesn't have no reason to care. She's not from probably anybody. So, like, what would be better than that? Wow. I know. New goal. I know. I think about that all the time. That's why I told you I picked up that stuff from Marketplace, and I drive up to some like it's five minutes from a like suburban downtown, which is like the best. I don't know if I'm allowed to say the place. Yeah. Oh, five minutes from downtown Alfredo. Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Like a gate, you pull up, there's like a farm, like a mini farm gated off in the front yard with like and not like an ugly-looking farm, just like the most serene thing you've ever seen with like goats and like chicken, cows, and horses, just like all laying together and standing together. And then this lady in her nice house, it's like on a pond on seven acres. And I told her, I was like, it's hard to see someone living out your dreams.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

Yeah, like what are you doing here? Truly. Was she nice? So nice. I wanted to like, I was hoping for a tour. I was like, ha, I'll be on the lookout for more things you post on marketplace. Like, next time I come back, please give me a tour. Also, can I see your house? But she was so sweet. They moved there after all their kids graduated, though. I love when rich people rich the right way. Uh-huh. You know, like the right way to rich is to have a gorgeous home that's like timeless with a farm in case like the apocalypse happened. You, you know, you have your own like situation going. The wrong way to rich, there's there are these two like million dollar homes, actually, probably$2.5 million homes that they just built around the corner from us. And they're like right next to the road, they're right next to each other, which is insane. They're both huge homes. But when they built them, they built them out of brick and they were gorgeous. Like both of them were absolutely stunning. And then I drove by the other day and they painted them stark white. Oh my gosh. With black. Like the garage was painted fully black. And it made me sick. Like, that's the wrong way to rich, you know? That's how I feel about a lot of the houses in our neighborhood, like the new builds that they're coming in and building that are just so cheap, and these people are paying$1.7 million.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

And like, you could go so many pla do so many things. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Uh this week or maybe last week, I can't remember. It was like 10 p.m. at night. This just reminded me because talking about houses in the neighborhood, and someone rang our doorbell, and then I go to look at the and clay, like I'm laying in bed, Clay's on the couch in another room. Um, and it's a person in a helmet with a hoodie with the like thick something covering their face, and they rang our doorbell. Immediately, no, I was like, they like on the house.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

So I'm texting everyone in the neighborhood, like, just if you know, if something happens, like this is who murdered me, whatever. Right. Then we watched a video, and they're I get it looked to me like they were in a car driving off.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Like they do ring it and then run like a ding-dong ditch. But I was like, Why my house? Like, I'm in, like I said, a neighborhood with$1.7 million. Yeah, you're kind of the poorest guy on the box. What do you have? Like, why are you calling it? Why me? Yeah, like why are you targeting me? Yeah, and it freaks me out.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

And then I was like, if Clay was out of time, I would have woken the girls up and driven to your house or to mom and dad's house, like 100%. But I text my neighbor, I texted a picture first of just like this guy with my mask standing at my door, and she was like, um, call 911. And then it was validating all my feelings. I was like, Clay, we need to call. And he was like, It's a ding on dish. So then I sent her the video and she was like, Oh, like, calm down.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Was it a kid? He was so tall. I mean, it probably was. And then I thought it was a car, so that maybe like, oh, they're older than 16. But then she was like, These are the neighborhood menaces. I think it's all they're on their electric bikes, like oh, which I'm like, that's perfect. Like, fine. That's scary. Yeah, but but once you know what it is, like I have no problem with that because I used to do that kind of stuff. Yeah, I feel like you have to go through that in your life, you know, you just have to have your menace period as a teenager, but that is so scary. It does just make you think, like, why me though? Yeah. And then, like, that time I think I told you Clay was about to go to Africa for like three weeks, and I'm outside with the girls, or like we're walking in from something, and these guys, like big huge guys in this escalade or some like similar car, drive by hand out the window, and are filming our house.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

And I'm like, I started crying. Like, I was like, Clay, you can't. I was like already having anxiety about him leaving for a long period of time.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Yeah, it was when Bridget was three months old. So we got security installed that weekend. Like, I was freaking out. Anyways, come to find out like a week later. I think I found out before he left, or I don't remember, but they were like redoing a house down the road, and it was similar to our house. And I guess our house, they like redid and built a level on top. Yeah. So they were just trying to see, like, oh, look, like, look, it looks like this nice house. And guys filming, I'm like, they're gonna murder me. Oh my god. So, anyways, I mean that's valid when you're home alone with like your babies, that's really scary. Yeah. Okay, so um, that was what we recapped with John. I don't know how we just took a trip away from that, the point of that. I don't remember either. Um, do you have any you don't have any 401k advice? It seems annoying. The more you can put in earlier on, it's just gonna grow. Like you've got to max it out. Do whatever it takes and it's worth it. I mean, I don't know. I may have to cut this part out. We'll see what John says about it. But like in 2016, I had zero dollars in a 401k. How long had you been working? Three years. And I was a teacher. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure I had like a thousand dollars, okay, in my 401k, but like basically nothing. And then here we are 10 years later, and I just checked and I have$280,000 in 401k. Heck yeah. So that just proves, I mean, I that's me, you know, meeting John, marrying him, following his financial advice, and maxing it out.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Um, and then it just was performing really well, I guess. Like, I don't really know what happened. Um, but I feel like that's a good success story. It just grows and you don't realize it. Yeah, but yeah. I w I went in there the other day and I was like, I'm rich. I'm rich. Oh my god. Uh and I'm just proud of myself. Yeah. Honestly, I need a new basement. Can I cash this thing out? That's that's one of the points we talked about. Um, I was like, can you cash out your 401k? He was like, absolutely never do that unless it's like a very last, last uh resort. You can, but you have to like pay interest against yourself. But it's just like why? Like that is the last resort. Yeah. Okay, so what an interesting topic, 401k. Um, oh, you want to hear what my topic idea is for our next episode? Yeah. It's gonna be called New Girl Era. Okay. And we're gonna be talking about being a new girl at work. Oh, okay. And like how to be successful. And then we're also gonna talk about being a new mom and like what's what that's like. That's kind of perfect because do you remember when I started my job and you have similar, I was four months pregnant. Oh, yeah. My new job. Yeah, you honestly was your new girl era. Yeah, I wanted to wear a sign on my head. Like, I promise I told them before I interviewed that I was pregnant. Like, I'm not, there were no surprises here. So, my friend Amy, who you know, my like childhood friend, um, just had her baby. Did you know that? On her birthday, by the way, on our birthday, she and I have the same birthday. And um, she's been like texting me and like it's reminding me how I felt when I was a new mom. You know, I feel like it's so important, like, have people that you can ask questions of. But she was texting me the other day and she's like, every time I text somebody and ask them questions, they're like, just do whatever you think is right. And she's like, No, I just know I don't know. I need you to tell me to do this. And I like, I love that she told me that because now when she asked me a question, I'm like, okay, this is what I would do. If you don't want to do it that way, you can do it this way. Like, I try to tell her like exactly this is what I would do if I were in your shoes. And then she sent me like a bunch of questions that she has about being a new mom. So that's what we'll talk about next time, which I'm excited about. No one can prepare you. No, oh my God, it's like a shock to the system. All right, so what are our mom talk topics for today? Um, okay, I think we're gonna talk about having hobbies as a mom. Yeah. So I guess we can start. I mean, there's not much to say here as it comes, so I need advice on this because from someone who like you who has a lot of hobbies, I'm struggling to find like what I want to do. I'm I'm finally like not coming up for you. That's kind of dramatic, but like they like as we're two and a half, like they start becoming self-sufficient, and it's a lot easier. And especially on last week's topic of if I'm not gonna have a third kid, like it's time to like it's time to exercise, it's time to like find myself again, right? I think. Um, but I'm I'm the struggle with that comes that like I also want to put my kids in a lot of hobbies. So I'm like, at what point, and maybe it's just when they're older, like I don't know, you're managing it well, but I'm like, I work all day, then come, and now two days a week we have stuff for the girls because I want to like you know, right see find let them find their passion. And then the rest of the time I'm tired. Like, I might know when am I supposed to go like play tennis with the girls? And I think I'd like once you get into it, it's probably so energizing to do it. Like you feel like you probably dread a little bit like going to practice or like going to a match, and then you go and you're like, wow, that was so fun. Um, but I just like need to get there, and same with I'm I'm like an all or nothing person, as you know, like soccer was my whole life growing up, and that's like all I did, and like and then or and tennis, I guess, and like sports and everything, and then I after college, like working out, like I did the running with John and like Orange Theory, I would have to go six days a week, and then I like fell off when I got pregnant with Vivi, and no, I haven't worked out in three years, so um, I'm struggling to like get back in it, but like mentally I I need to be active and have and anytime too. Like, I've just started going out to dinner with my friends more and stuff because I did it a few times and I'm like, wow, this is like just so nourishing. Yes. Um, so yeah, but at the same time, like during the week, Bridget's been in gymnastics and now they're about to start soccer together, which I'm so excited about, but that's two nights a week, and then I don't know. Okay, here's my here's my take. Number one, I think every woman, I think part of our like DNA is to be creative and produce something. And you probably won't agree with that because I know that you're like not creative. Produce something, what do you mean? Just like create something. Uh you know what I mean? Yeah, I know a lot of our hobbies, like as women, are centered around creating things. And this with this conversation, like, I'm not trying to push any traditional values because I don't believe in any of those. But if you think about things like baking or cooking or sewing or quilting, like it's all about creating something or producing something. But I do think it's like it's cathartic. Yeah. That's the word I'm looking for. So I do believe that everybody should have some sort of creative outlet. Even if it's like playing mahjong or like something like that, where you just have to use that part of your brain, I think it's healing. Um, the second thing is, and you you kind of mentioned this, you have to schedule hobbies or you won't do it. Just like with your dinner with your friends, like I will schedule dinner or my friends, my friend Amy that I mentioned is great about doing this, but she'll schedule a dinner like a month in advance, and I'll have it on my calendar. And really, I don't want to go the day that it shows up, not because I don't want to see them, but because I'm exhausted. Yeah. But then I I go and it's like the best time I've had all month, you know? And that's it's kind of how I feel. So I have tennis. My advice to you would be have your kids do their hobbies, you know, they're gonna do them before bedtime. My hobbies start at like 7:30 when my kids go to sleep. So, like John, when he does his tennis like three nights a week, he's he goes to tennis at 7:30 and he plays until like 8:30 or nine, you know? Yeah. And I mean, nine is kind of late, but one night a week out there with girlfriends when I go play tennis. Mine's a little bit earlier, so I make it home for bedtime, but I bring a beer, you know, or like a glass of wine, or like one of those margarita canned drinks. We had uh tequila and Taylor Swift night, and we all drank margaritas and we played Taylor Swift on the speaker the whole time. But I take tennis lessons with a group of three other girls, and our tennis coach is so fun. And half the time we're out there, we're just like catching up on the latest tea in the neighborhood. Yeah. But and he doesn't care, you know, he's like, whatever, you know. But with your coach. Yeah, he like loves getting the tea too. Yeah, but we're paying him to be there no matter what. And he's like, I mean, it might as well stand here and chat. I don't care. But it's so fun. No, I should. John's been trying to recruit me for his, he's the captain of our mixed team. Okay. And I just like, I'm like, I find so much peace in tennis right now that I don't want to play a match. I didn't really realize you don't have to play matches because I'm I feel like I'm like mom, like I'm competitive when I'm in it. Yes. But then I try to remove myself so that I don't have to worry about being competitive. You know, I'm like, oh, I don't care. It's just for fun. And I don't know, I used to be decent at tennis, and I know that I'm not now, so I'm scared to start back. No, I'm like you would be surprised. Okay, so I live in an area of Atlanta in a suburb where like we're known for our tennis bitches. Okay. These girls are bitches. And I shouldn't say girls, like they're women. No, no, no, no. My neighborhood is the best. Okay. But like these neighborhoods that we play against, these women are such tennis meanies. It's crazy, which makes me not want to play against them, you know. But it's really fun if you play with your friend. Like the team, your own team is really fun. Yeah. I don't know, I don't know what point I was trying to make with that. What were you saying? Competitiveness. Like they probably make it super competitive. Yes. So I I did play matches. I played in a league called T2, which you know is like a flex league. You can play whenever. And I I was out there um with my partner, and these women would argue with me about line calls. And I'm like, girl, you can have it. I'm here for my mental health. Yeah. I'm not gonna argue with you about where the ball was. You take it. I never won a match. But it was it was like for my mental health, you know? And I haven't played since, but but I guess the point is too, I got anxiety like when I played the work league or whatever out of college and stuff. So I want it to be like a peaceful thing. Like I would get so anxious before it matches, and that's what I associate with. That was the point I was gonna say. You think that you're not good. These women are bitches, and they're not good, they're like very not good at tennis. Okay. So if you've played tennis in your life before, I think you're automatically way better than people like me who didn't start playing tennis until I was what 32. So don't count yourself out because you haven't played in a while. You'll probably be the best player on the team. Yeah. What do you think about pickleball? Is that not popular anymore? It it had a moment and the moment has somewhat passed. I think it's still popular among like 65, 60 and up crew. Mom and dad do it, yeah. Yeah. And I think it's a great, like, if you have to get into anything and that's the only option, it's a great option. My coworker is talking about a new thing called Padel, P-A-D-E-L.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

It's like out inside racquetball with like glass walls or some kind of walls. Okay. Similar to pickleball. I'm probably describing it wrong, but he was like, This is the new pickleball.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Okay, racquetball. I really f with racquetball. So maybe, and that's what he's saying. That I think it's um like started, it's like slowly building up, but it's probably harder because like it's har a pickleball court just needs like a net. But this you need like the walls, I guess. So don't tell John about this because he will start playing. Apparently, it's like way better than, but maybe like those are just the people on their high horse. But apparently it's way better than pickleball. Like, this is the bigger one. Racketball is so fun. I played that was my sport when you had to have a sport um like a gym elective in college. What was yours? Uh what? You had to have one like gym elective in college?

SPEAKER_01 19:54

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Oh. Oh, I played racquetball too. Oh no, I think could you play soccer? If I could possibly I won the racquetball championship for my class. Yeah, I was like, don't even make eye contact with me. Two losers. It was so fun. I can't I remember like being in the gym area, but I'm trying to, I don't remember what I was doing. I played on an indoor soccer team, but that may have just been for fun. Yeah. You know, where you live, um, towards Atlanta, that's the best tennis in the city. It would be really easy for you to find a team and you could literally just practice with them, and then you would just tell them you're unavailable for matches. I want to find someone, like really, I wish Clay could come with me, but one of us who needs to stay home with the kids that I can just hit with. Like, I just need to start weekly hitting before I just put myself in front of anyone because I'm like embarrassed. Like, I'm just literally so dramatic. Have you ever seen me play tennis? No. Oh my god, you're being so dramatic. I just need you to move up here though. Then me, you and Gracie, and we can find like a fourth girl can do a night of tennis, you know, with just my coach who's hilarious and fun. But that's what you need. It is. I am feeling more pressure lately to move up here, like, especially when you were talking about like after school curriculars. And I was like, wow, how much easier would life be if like Lucy and Bridget were in the same stuff and Vivi or something. And John's just sitting at home with his new job, and we can just drive them everywhere. Do you know what John told Gracie? Gracie's like, Yeah, we gotta get Mal up here or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

And John's like, Mal's not moving here until she can build her Barbie dream house. Like, I mean, Gracie was like, I've never heard something more true. That's so true.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

But I think I gotta give up the dream and like maybe just Gracie is Mal's college best friend, and she just moved like what five minutes away from me. Yeah, right. And Mal still lives like 30 minutes away. So the pressure is mounting. But you really, I mean, you gotta give up the Barbie dream house. I know. But that's so true.

unknown 21:41

I know.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

I love that he clapped you like that. He really did. Um, one of the things that I complained about on Instagram this week about mom hobbies is you know, I'm into needlepoint and I'm into quilting. Um, by the way, this episode is definitely gonna be marked E for explicit. So sorry to the mommies because I've been dropping them. But um did you in. Speaking of ticking. Bitches, some of these sewing bitches really, yes. I feel like it was like be like grandmas. They're so mean. Yeah, that's true. They're so mean. Like, first of all, you own stores that you want people to buy stuff from. Okay. And I'm coming in and I have questions, but some of them are just so means. And I'm like, so first of all, instructors or the people that you're taking the class with? Oh, not the people I the people I take the class with. Okay, let me back up. If you are new to Needlepoint, you can walk into any needlepoint shop and tell them that you were new and they will help you get started. Okay. I would say like 80% of the time, the woman who's gonna help you is very nice and helpful. 20% of the time, she's a meanie. And you ask her questions and she's rude as you know what? Which we I had an experience with when I went to that store with you, and you I forget what you asked. You're like, Do you have sewing class? And she was like, No, like this is a and it's like, how would anyone know that this is only a quilting store, not a crazy so but I take a quilting class, and my quilting instructor is like a doll. I love her, she's the best. But the ladies who work in the store, they they had a sale, okay, in their basement. I went to their sale. No one spoke to me the whole time I was in the store. I walked into the basement, I found some like pieces, some fabric pieces that I wanted to buy. I look around, there's no place to check out. And again, no one's speaking to me. I'm the only customer in the basement, and there's like four workers. So I turn around, I walk back up the stairs, and I go to the register and I say to them, and you know, there's no way to mark that these things are on sale. They haven't marked them. Um and I'm like, hey, just so you know, I got these from the sale. And she was like, You were supposed to check out downstairs. And I was like, Oh, I'm so sorry. No one told me that, you know, like just the snottiness. And then this other lady came up next to me, this other lady that worked there, and she's like looking at my pieces and she was like, Yeah, those are from the sale. I was like, Oh, so you think I'm gonna lie about like what's from the sale? This is like$10. I don't know. It just made me so and like that's the vibe. Like when you walk into some quilting shops and you ask the ladies a question, they act like they don't work there, you know? And so it really bugs me because I'm like, women like you and me are like emerging from our postpartum cocoons and we're trying to like re-relocate ourselves. They're younger. No, they're they're grannies. Oh they're grannies. Why women like you and me postpartum? No, we're trying to get into these coffies. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and they have their nose up. Yeah, and they're just like, oh, you don't know how to do that. I'm like, no, girl, I don't. I think the older you get, the more freely you feel to express your opinions, and it's like exhausting sometimes to deal with. Yeah. And you're like, I'm being so respectful. I'm being so nice to you. Like, if you want me to be a mean girl, I can be mean. And it makes me so mad. I was thinking, like, okay, let's say I tried to get get into sewing at 16 or like as an emotional 30, whatever year old. You, I mean, if they had treated you like that, you would have cried. I would have never come back. Yeah. 100%. Even that message they sent you this week or something like reminder that your stocking is in, and you're like, reminder, did I miss the first message? Yeah. I so I am gonna uh needlepoint Mal's daughter Bridget a stocking, a Christmas stocking. We ordered it like four months ago, and we had to wait, like it's hand painted, so it takes a while to come in. And they sent me a text this week, and I've been waiting to hear from them that it's ready. I thought it was gonna be like June. And so they send me a text and they're like, Hey, reminder, we have your stocking. And I was like, Oh, great, thank you so much. Did I miss an email or a phone call from you guys? I'm so sorry. And they text me back and they were like, no, question mark, question mark, question mark. And I said, Oh, I'm sorry. You said reminder, and so I was confused because it seemed like you had tried to already reach out to me. Anyways, did you get it? They um they're now going to ship it because it is done. I know it's like such a saga. Okay, anyway, so uh you and your hobbies, you need to schedule them okay and do them after the kids go to bed so you don't feel guilty. Just start that way, you know. I think the problem is I'm thinking about this more, and hopefully as work slows down, because I've had to work at night a good amount, so then it's like the nights where I don't it's not like I'm like the past couple weeks, I've been not working at night because we're like in a slower season, and I've watched a good amount of TV the past few weeks and I'm like, I think I'm all I'm all done. I'm all good on TV. So now I'm like, okay, this is probably what it would be like in the future. Like, at least if I have two nights of those a week, then you know, another night with a hobby. Yeah. Similar to last night, because I've had downtime during the weeks. I went out with my friends last night. They were like going to get a drink at 8 30 p.m., which is crazy. And I convinced my sister-in-law to go with me, which I felt bad about because she has a newborn and isn't sleeping. But we were both like, oh, like we're just tired, but it was so much fun. And we're we ended up staying out way later. And like I drove, I drank water the most of the time, and it's still just so fun. Yeah. You need those moments in your life to keep you like not hydrated, but like what's the word for yeah, yeah, nourish. You're soul fed. You're soul fed. We're feeding our souls tonight. Good for the soul. It is good for the soul. I mean, that's so cheesy, but it really is. So another mom topic I chose to talk to you about is school conferences. You don't do school conferences yet. No. Oh. Well, we do them. I mean, starting at Mills's age, you know? And so we went in and we had it this week, and Lucy's school conference was great. Like, you know, she's so easy and she's so sweet. Sometimes she gets upset about stuff and has emotional issues. And by the way, okay, my one gripe about school conferences for my kids is that I always get feedback on their emotional problems. Like they have a hard time like returning to a state of being unemotional after something upsets them. But I'm like, isn't that developmentally normal? Yeah. Like I'm like that too. And every other kid is like that. I don't know. So I'm like, is everyone getting feedback about that or is it just me? I mean, Bridget just was in a bad mood for 30 minutes because she didn't get a mango, whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

So it's definitely my kids too.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Well, okay, good. Because I don't know, I'm always kind of like, yeah, I mean, I hear you, and we're working on it at home for sure. Like, I'm on your side. It's definitely a problem. But like, do you write this on every kid's report card? To me, that seems like that's the only thing they can say. So that's what they're saying. Well, we got Evie's report card and she needs to stay on task. Really? Yeah, which I was like, honestly, girl, that's so valid because when I was in kindergarten, I had to see a therapist. Do you remember that? They sent me to a counselor three three times a week because I wouldn't stop talking to my friends in class and pulling, I had to pull a stick like every day. Oh yeah. That was first grade. Oh, maybe first grade. Because we had the same first grade teacher, I remember that. Oh, our first grade teacher, Mal and I had the same lady, Miss Gardo. Yeah. Shout out, Miss Gardo. She hated me and she loved you. Yeah. Which is the story. Like, that's a tale as old as time between the two. I didn't mean it like that, no. No, but she hated me because I pulled a stick. I got to red every single day to the point I had to see a counselor. So with Evie not staying on task, I'm like, girl. Been there, done that. Yeah. You're gonna do this fine. You'll be a CEO one day, okay? Like you're just you're an entrepreneur. Except I hate when parents do that. Honestly, my kid will be exhibiting bad behaviors. And I'll be like, oh, I don't want to like tell her to stop being so sassy because it's gonna take away her leadership skills. But honestly, she's being sassy. Yeah, you know, to correct the behavior. Um, it's interesting because Bridget and Vivi are so different. Like Bridget never, like they're like, she's literally perfect, like, just is the sweetest, like, never gets in trouble. However, she's so picky and doesn't eat, so that's a big area. And Vivi, meanwhile, and they're sweet about it.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

I guess because she's two, so they don't have to tell me that I need to step in yet. But the teacher was telling me they'll be like, Go to your chair. It's lunchtime or whatever. And she'll go and stand on her chair and just look at the teacher, like, you told me to go to my chair. Like, and I'm following directions. Yeah, I don't know. And she got like a bite. I think I may have said that before. She bit like her best friend.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

Oh, she's a biter. This is only her second her second time doing it. Well, her second time getting caught doing it. And so I had to like shame her a lot. And I know that sounds bad, but like what else do you I don't know? And I this was her best friend, and I made her send like an apology video to him. Good, and then shamed her, was like, that hurts people when you bite them. Like, that makes them so sad, and she hasn't gotten any report since this was probably a month ago. Not that that's the reason. I don't know, but I'm like, how do you deal? Like it's I so Lucy got bit this week at school. Oh, really? And her teacher does not play. Like, she heard about it. It happened after school once her teacher had left, and she was on it, but I felt so bad because I mean, if my kid started biting, what would what would you do? You can't bite them back, you know? Like they don't understand. I don't know. I was at a uh birthday party for Bridget, so they're like a little older. Um, and like the birthday boy like bit somebody, and it just like the moms are like, oh my gosh. And it was like the moms are so pet. And I know like that's state that that's so sad that your kid got bit, but like it could be him being the next day. It's not like a failure as a parent. Yes, and that's what they were making. Like, oh my gosh, can you believe?

SPEAKER_01 30:43

And I'm like, I can't. That could be my kid, that probably will be Vivi. So I'm not gonna sit here and judge for a second.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

You just look at Mills and he just gives you pitter vibes. You know, I'm like waiting for that shoe to drop. Um, we John told uh Lucy's teacher this week that if Mills was our first child, we would only have one child. Uh which like we're also trying to convince her to take him into her class when he's old enough, and that probably sealed the deal that he's not. I think it's just third kid, though. Like, I think if he would have been the first kid, he wouldn't be like this. Maybe, but he's so we went, Lucy's conference was great. We uh we started talking about Evie in the middle of her conference because her teacher also had Evie. And then I was like, we can't do this. She was our middle child. We cannot talk about any other child, we have to talk about this child, um, which we you know is kind of joking, but also kind of serious. So we talked about Lou, she's doing great, whatever. And then we went to Mills's conference. And I I mean, Mills' teacher, I adore her too. Like she's had all of my kids. And she was like, Um, I mean, she's so complimentary. Like, if you read the thing that she wrote about him, it's like amazing. And then she's like, he started screaming. And I'm like, honestly, I'm shocked that he wasn't this long. Right. Like, I think he was uncomfortable and now he's comfortable. Yeah. She's like, I think they could have heard him down the street. And I was like, I know, like 100% I'm with you on that. And I told her, like, we try at home to to stop it, just like biting. Yeah. But what do we what do you do when he's shrieking so loud that your eardrums are vibrating? What'd she say? She had to take him out of the class, which, like, of course, because at school it's like a chain reaction. Yeah. If one of them starts screaming, you know, but how did she tell you to work on it? Okay, so John goes, you know, a lot of times Lucy triggers him. Like, if Lucy has a toy and he wants it, he'll scream. So I'll take it away from Lucy. And I was like, John, first of all, don't speak to your short coming. Right. Like, don't ever, you should not admit that. I was like, what? And you know, that first of all, that's also like poor Lucy middle child. Like, you have a toy you want to play with, and then John is snatching it from you and giving it to this little stinker who's screaming. Um, no whether you like play in a quarterback. Literally, like, no wonder Lucy's always off by herself. But I told John, like, you can't, and and that's what uh Mills' teacher told us. She's like, you can't give it to him.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

And I'm like, it's it's hard, but you can't. But he's the I mean, his own. I think you do that though in the beginning because it's like Mills doesn't, or like at that age, they don't know, they don't realize they don't realize the concept of sharing, but then the transition happens of like, okay, well, like now he gets it. And it's hard to do that as like direct because you're just like, I just don't want him to scream. I know. At first we were like, he's a baby, Luke, and he just have it for a second. And now it's like, no, he's not a baby. He's like a mean, he's a little mean bully. And he knows that Lucy's a good target. So we're defending, we're gonna do a better job of defending her. Actually, I do a great job. It's John who's the problem. But can you believe he admitted that to the teachers? No. So anything else? Mom talk? Uh mom talk. Oh, yeah, that's one of my topics. Okay, that's actually my we can go ahead and transition to that. So, one of the topics I have for Chronically Online is what happened with the Bachelorette cancellation. So, I'm gonna do a brief recap before you and I um talk about our thoughts. So, Taylor Frankie Paul was cast as the lead of the Bachelorette in this upcoming season. So, how Taylor Frankie Paul came to like be famous is she's a Utah-based TikTok creator and she's tied to the mom talk group. And so her and like honestly, a bunch of hot young moms were on TikTok and they just did all these dances together and like got kind of famous that way. Like, I think that they had several hundred thousand followers. And then one day, Taylor went live and admitted that she and her husband were part of like a soft swinging group with other married Mormon couples within mom talk. So these women that she was filming dancing videos with, she was also like swinging with them on the side. So obviously that's insane for multiple reasons because number one, swinging is kind of like not a part of like culture as a parent, you know, or just like in general.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Um, and also they're more I think it is more of a part than we realize, just not for us.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Uh speaking of tennis gossip, my tennis coach told us that our neighborhood used to be the swinging neighborhood. One of my coworkers just implied it that his is like that's so uncomfortable. And you could never look at your in it, yeah. I know, I know. Like, I don't judge people, I don't care if you do it, but just don't include me in it and don't tell me about it because I'll never be able to think about anything else. It never ends well, not that I have much experience. Oh, 100% based on this mom talk. So she started like during her live, she was like tell talking about the boundaries, and she's like partner swapping behaviors occurred, and then she broke those rules and she went further with one person, and there was a huge group fallout. Friendships ended, at least two divorces happened. And then Taylor also was arrested on domestic violence-related charges after an incident with her boyfriend in 2023. But we all knew about this, like it all came to light at the time, and you knew about it if you knew about Taylor on TikTok, okay? Well, then Taylor, because she's so she's kind of unhinged, she's likable, I would say, but she's unhinged, like needs therapy for sure. Um, she's just been through a lot. Hulu gets her a TV show deal. So now her and all the mom talk girls have their own TV show called The Secret Life of Mormon Wives, which is a pretty it's a decent TV show. It's reality TV. There's so much drama. And then Taylor got cast as The Bachelorette. So that brings us to current day. The season was fully filmed and it was set to premiere in like late March of this year. But three days before it aired, a video from that 2023 domestic violence incident surfaced and went viral, which is crazy. I think the reason it went viral this time is because way more people know who she is because of her Hulu show than they did when it first came out. Well, the video was never released. I thought it was. I don't think so. Okay. This was the first time it was released. But everybody knew about it. I mean, she's been on podcasts talking about exactly what happened. Like, she's very open and honest. Her ex, Dakota, is like, if you've seen Tell Me Lies, like people are kind of saying that he's a Steven DeMarco figure where he's just toxic and he's looking for any opportunity to ruin her life so that she comes running back to him. They're both very toxic together. Their relationship is horrible. It's all over the TV show. So after this footage that TMZ obtained and aired went viral, everybody was kind of like ABC should pull the show because they shouldn't support domestic violence. Oh, and then also there was a recent incident of domestic violence that happened like a couple weeks ago. Um, no footage has emerged, no charges have been filed, but it it was like in a police report that the cops were there for domestic violence and that she was the aggressor. So that brings us to today. ABC pulled the entire season and they're still kind of trying to decide what's going on. But the nuance is like the the incident that they pulled the season for was already known about when she was cast. It's just coming back to light now because she's more well known, and I guess there was a more recent incident that we know nothing about. And then you're right, what changed was the release of the actual video. I was reading somewhere though, like who I don't feel bad for in this scenario is ABC. Because it's like you knew who you were casting. And I read somewhere too that they said ABC, and I don't know if this is true or not, but likely could have accessed, if not did access, the video footage. Like in when you look into someone, like I imagine they do for all bats or batterettes, so they've seen it, yeah, or could have, and like that's to me on them. And I do, which is gonna be controversial, but I and not that I feel I I do feel bad for her because it's like in terms of the video getting released from something that happened, like she was on probation, like she got arrested, she did she like owned up to that portion of it. She, I mean, what do you want her to her to release the video? Like, she's not gonna do that, right? And like I I'm pretty sure all the reports said like she threw a chair which ended up hurting her child. It's obviously much different to see it. It's terrifying to see it. I do think that it's probably so freeing because he definitely is the one who released the video, he's the one who filmed it. He has to be the one to just try to ruin this. And I think she made a statement implying he's been holding this over her. Yeah. So it's kind of like I mean, oh my god, it's like tell me, tell me lies. And so it's like fine, like just release it. That said though, I think the recent incident was like her like choking him or reported that with a necklace. So she just is unwell. And when you see the kids in the video and her screaming, and she just looks lost, and that's scary to for someone to be around children. I agree. If you can't contain it enough to hold it in for the sake of your kid, it just says a lot to think about you as a parent. Yeah. Did ABC do the right thing by canceling the season? Yeah, no one should support domestic violence, and like that's something that we should all take very, very seriously, especially when there's kids involved. But I I saw something online that was like, okay, so when are we canceling the NFL seasons, the NFL players, and all these sports players and these actors, and honestly, like members of our political parties. When are we canceling all of those people? And I totally agree. Like, why is a woman, one woman, being held to a higher standard than any of y'all ever hold men to, you know? Yeah. Um, so that kind of pisses me off. It's a double standard, I think. But also, I don't think she should ever have been cast in the beginning. Yeah. To your point, ABC knew and they took a chance. I don't feel bad for them. Yeah, it definitely could have happened again. I didn't even want it that bad. Like, it seems like she was just like, this is such a good opportunity. How could I pass this up? But like she wasn't even excited about it. She was doing everything to self-sabotage before she went. They should have picked another one of those girls who, like Miranda, who would have been way more like ready for the opportunity, mentally healthy. Yeah. Um, and would have really like maximized the opportunity and not squandered it like Taylor. Yeah, I just think it shows too ABC was like, Oh, look, like she had this incident and they didn't care what she did, they just cared that the public had forgiven her. And so it's like at the end of the day, their core values aren't there. No, 100%. They're trying to exploit the trauma that she brings because they know it's gonna be great TV. And then once that kind of backfired on them, they pull the show. Yeah, like yeah. I do wonder what's gonna happen to the show now. Oh, yeah. So the fallout of this is that companies have started distancing themselves from her, like Cinnabon cut ties with her. The Secret Life of Mormon Wives has paused production. A few of the ladies from Secret Life of Mormon Wives have released statements that say that they like absolutely stand against domestic violence. Um, and people are kind of like, Why are you saying that now? Like this happened. And you know they knew about the video or saw the. Well, they're like, You're missing context of what happened. I mean, I'm sure that she did some heinous stuff recently. Like, I'm sure that she's probably back on her same stuff. But it just all seems really like gross and messy, and I just don't think she should have ever been cast from the very beginning. People are saying the context from the video before is that he locked her in the garage. Oh yeah, and like which she is like you're missing context, which that's so true. But the kid changes her daughter, young daughter, not even that young age matters, being in the room for me changed everything. Like, I don't know. Not that it's ever okay to throw a chair at your husband, but if someone balked you in a garage, like maybe that would make you a little bit more sympathetic towards her. Yeah. I mean, I hate to say I feel bad for her, but I do like she needs to get it together, obviously. Like, she needs to make better decisions, yes, but it's still for her children. Everyone's talking about you, like that's just must be really hard to do. Well, and I think she already has like really terrible mental health problems, but it's her it's her fault. I mean, I think that she's thrown herself, and all these girls are so so like thirsty for fame, and and most of them need to go to therapy. All of their marriages are falling apart. Like when you watch the show, it's kind of depressing, yeah. The whole premise of the show is around being famous and who's getting what opportunities. And I'm jealous of this person because they got a better opportunity and and the public likes them more. Like it's just all very toxic.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

And I get that you don't want to squander an opportunity to be famous because these women are making tons of money off of this, but also at a certain point, you need to take a step back. Yeah, at what cost? Like your kids are traumatized. Also, she probably is is violent because I'm assuming that she grew up in an environment that encouraged that, or at least, like, maybe I mean, I I don't mean to like make allegations, yeah. But like, I don't think that you develop that type of emotional response in a vacuum, you know? Yeah. And so if she kind of developed that because of the environment that she was in, like maybe a toxic upbringing, she's now passing that along to her kids. So it's generation that that is literally the definition of generational trauma. Yeah. And so she's not breaking any cycles right now. She's reinforcing for her kids that this is how you should behave when you don't, you know, have a good relationship with somebody. So I just think she's a mess. I mean, I I think it's horrible what she did. I hate that her kids were in the room and that one of her kids got hit with a chair that she threw. Like that's absolutely insane. And then at the same time, on a human level, I also feel bad for her that she hasn't gotten the help that she needs and that she's now feeling the repercussions of her actions and decisions. It's just sad that she has a child with him. So like he will never be out of her life, and it seems like he's the biggest. And also, like to the girls in Utah, like, what the what what's happening? This this man, I mean, he's nice, yeah, but like somebody sent a video into like TMZ or something, and he was sitting in a restaurant with like a Utah cheerleader. Like, how is he getting these girls? He's a he's a loser. Like, I don't think he has a does he have a job? I don't think so, you know? Dad talk. I mean, give me a break. I know. These guys are losers. I know. Oh my god. I just and anytime too, like they were so like her best friends were so quick to speak out against her, which I guess maybe they have to do. I don't know. But like to not even give like an ounce of sympathy. Not that they have to be like, we're sorry for her, but like it was so like we stand firmly against it. Whenever people do that, I'm like, you better have like your things in order at home and nothing if you're gonna be so quick to come like to kick someone even down to make a statement. Like, I don't know. Yeah, it's all just very like convenient and like an I don't know. It's just it's which it is objectively. Yeah, you feel the most bad for the kids. Yeah, a hundred percent. So I don't know. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Yeah, people are saying ABC should sell the season to Hulu or Netflix because they're not gonna give a shit. They can just That is so true. Oh my god. I saw you sent something about the Bachelor boys being like, oh my god, thank you for thinking of me during this time. I'm okay. Yeah, all the boys that were on Taylor's season of The Bachelor are like or Bachelorette are posting on their Instagram stories and they're like, Thanks to my friends who have reached out. I promise I'm okay. And everyone in the comments is like, why would you not be okay, you freak? Like, you're not launching your influencer through work. Yeah, like go get a job. You're gonna be fine, you loser. Um, okay, so I have another chronically offline story. I'm gonna tell you, it's it'll be quick. I just thought it was interesting. Okay, do you know Afro Man? Was isn't he referencing the song? 365, baby, that's all we need. Yeah, you're right. So that's an Afro Man song. Okay, nice. So he's a rapper. He's older now. I don't know how old he is, but let's say that he's like 60. Okay, he's he's been in the game for a while. So he lives in Adams County, Ohio. And in August of 2022, the police raided his home. It was like over suspected drug trafficking and kidnapping. But Afro Man, if you look into him, he's not like a rapper that's out here speaking for the streets. And I don't know if they had legit charges or whatever that they were trying or like a legit tip that they were trying to investigate, but they go to his home over suspected drug trafficking and kidnapping, and they search his home, they rip it apart, they beat down his door, they cut his security camera lines, they trash his home, and they find nothing. Okay. And they don't file any charges against him. In 2022. In 2022. Okay. So they basically destroy his home, they terrify his kids. And like, I don't think that Afro Man is a living large. Like, I think that he lived in a normal home in Ohio, you know. It was just like weird. Like, why are you here traumatizing my family over some bogus whatever evidence or tip or something? So they don't pay to rebuild his door, they don't pay to fix any of the security cameras that they cut lines on that now need to be replaced. Any of the damages that they've caused, they they didn't care. It's on Afroman now. And so what he did is he used the home security footage of the raid to make music videos and content about the raid. And so he's turned it into songs and merch and social media posts. Okay. So some of the songs' titles are Will You Help Me Repair My Door? Another one is Lemon Pound Cake, which we'll get to in a second. And another one is Why Are You Disconnecting My Video Camera? Okay. Very literal. Right. And so the tone is like comedic and it's mocking the officers. So he has footage of these officers in his house and he's mocking them in his music videos. The videos are depicting the deputies searching his house, eating his food. Yeah, it's insane. So then in 2023, the same deputies featured who who came into his house and searched and ate his food and did all this crazy stuff, sue Afroman, claiming an invasion of privacy, which uh you were in my house. Yeah. Emotional distress, uh, which again, what about me? Right. And um misuse of their likeness from the video. And so Afro Man's defense is like, you were in my house, the footage is from my cameras. Is he telling us to wrap it up? Yeah. Okay. And he argued like First Amendment, like free speech, artistic expression. So the case was seen as kind of a weak case, obviously, and all the public support supported him. And so one of the lemon pound cake song is about this deputy who came into his house, and there's this lemon pound cake sitting on his counter that his like mom made, I guess, and it looks like really good. And so the deputy is like standing there looking at it. I don't think it ever shows him eating it, but he was like really eyeing this lemon pound cake, and so he's like turned that into a whole song about how this guy is gonna eat the lemon pound cake. And then another one is he hired an actress to play one of the female deputies and like chasing him around in the music video, and she has this huge butt chasing him around, which is like a parody of her. So in court, the deputies are crying on the stand. Wait, so when did this come out? And when is the is court happening now? Yeah. Okay. And if you go watch all the videos on TikTok, they've like gone viral on TikTok. He's sitting there in an American flag suit. Like he's in a minute with American flag glasses. And he's just like, You came into my house for no reason. What how are you gonna be invaded my privacy? That's why we're literally and the lawyers of the deputies are like, Well, don't you care that her feelings are hurt? And he's like, My feelings were hurt. Why why would I care about that? I don't even know. You have to look at the lyrics. Are the songs good? They're they're not like amazing, but they are kind of catchy and funny. Yeah, but it's just hilarious that he knows when he's on the stand and he's being questioned, he knows that he's in the right. Yeah. And so his responses are just so good.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

It's like Curdy B.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

Literally, it's the same. And it's just like it it's iconic. I just love that he's like standing up because people, this happens to people all the time where the police will like raid a home and not find anything, you know? So he's standing up for nothing ever came. No, no. That is so like what precedent is that setting? Anyone can make a claim? That's it's insane, and it is terrifying that people can just invade your house and absolutely destroy all of your stuff, and there's like no consequences. So he won the case. I'm pretty sure it's been resolved, but I just love that. He's like out there fighting for the people, and it is hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

In the American black suit is crazy. Like, I'm a man of the people.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Literally, he is. Okay, so that is chronically offline. John is telling us to wrap it up. The only oh, the other thing I wanted to talk to you about was the Zara Larson rebrand. Do you know about this? Uh-uh. Okay, I'm just gonna tell you this really quickly, and then we'll get off for John. So Zara Larson is a Swedish singer, and she's been in the game. She's like Sabrina Carpenter, where she's been in the game for literally years and years and years, but only recently she's gotten like really famous. She was an opening act for Tate McRae, but she never really had a strong brand for herself. And then somebody on TikTok took her song, I just wanna be part of your symphony.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

No, it didn't know that's her song, yeah.

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And set it to like a Lisa Frank. You know Lisa Frank, like all the rainbow colors and stuff from when we were little. Hold on, let me show you. Okay, this is Lisa Frank. Oh, yeah. Okay. Set her to like a Lisa Frank like montage of a dolphin diving into the water. And she made her whole brand basically that image. So she's completely rebranded, and she has like skyrocketed recently. Like, I bet you could have gone to her concert last year for$20. Now the tickets are probably as expensive as Taylor Swift tickets. Like crazy. And she's, I mean, she's also like gorgeous and stunning. She has an amazing voice, like close to Beyonce level good. And it just made me think about color theory. So, anyways, I'm gonna give you homework and I want you to go and look up Zara Larson before and after, and just see the difference. And the next next time we have our podcast, we'll talk about color theory. Okay. I'm I just looked her up right now. The song Ruined My Life. Oh my god, I'm like obsessed with her. Look up Midnight Sun, that's her current song. Okay, it's going to be the song of the summer. Like, she's so pretty. She's gorgeous, and she has like, she's she's like kind of a white girl Beyoncé, which I like love about her, you know, and she's has the heroogy, like she just got, I think she wears a wig and she can flip it like Beyonce, and I just like I'm obsessed with her. So her song Midnight Sun is new. I think it's gonna be the song of the summer. Okay, wow, you heard it here first. Yes. I haven't like heard anything about her. Um, I know. I knew you would know her, and I'm obsessed with her. So we'll talk about color theory next time and a little bit more on Sarah Larson. Okay, John's yelling at us because we've been talking for an hour and six minutes. You told me it was gonna be 15. I'm sorry. Thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of Working Girls, Hot Girls with Benefits. Check us out on Instagram at actually check me out on Instagram at uh McFamLi on Instagram and the McFam on TikTok. And leave us a review. If you love the show, if you hate the show, just tell somebody else and send it to a friend and anything you want to say? Nope. Follow you? Nope. Okay. Bye girly, bye next month.