Quack AF: Unapologetically Queer and Black
Trey and JJ are two creative friends who specialize in yapping. On Quack AF, they share their experiences and opinions on society as Queer and Black (Quack) men. With special guests, other Quack individuals, friends and more, it’s always a good time filled with laughter, education, and inspiration.
Quack AF: Unapologetically Queer and Black
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Oreos, and we’re not talking about the dessert. Trey and JJ talk about interracial relationships. They discuss the interesting attribute of race and its effects on them as individuals. JJ tries to convert his co-host while Trey talks about his own racial preferences.
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SPEAKER_04You're not even on TikTok. I'm saying on your little account they would be like oh my god that JJ guy not only is he handsome as fuck he's also like funny as fuck and he's loud as fuck and I love that during sex. Okay. And so they're like they're gonna love my energy. Oh okay also for people who are viewing the video I'm wearing sweatpants today.
SPEAKER_02Okay I'm wearing sweatpants too by the way yeah no one cares though tell them why you're wearing sweatpants then if you want to talk about it.
SPEAKER_03Wait wait why am I wearing sweatpants why are you wearing sweatpants because I went to sleep last night I wanted to show my big penis to my dream daddy in my dream right um I'm also wearing a shirt relevant to today's topic sexual hell what sexual that was today's topic that's right be fucking lying to get you shirt today's topic describe your shirt I can describe my shirt you know the Nike outfit wait is it can I say Nike on here?
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SPEAKER_02Yes we talked about that right the I feel like there was something else I don't remember exactly what the t-shirt I mean yeah but that's like this is a joke.
SPEAKER_04Okay yeah yeah yeah um well like 360 I mean we could get into that okay yeah yeah yeah okay obviously we're off of it today a little bit y'all it's okay I ate breakfast I didn't eat breakfast did you eat breakfast actually this time I did eat breakfast I had a um I got a bake from biscuit from Biscuit King of course I had my uh I had a bacon bowl the other day but I also got a smoked sausage biscuit so I ate that today okay okay okay so that's that's how you did that you kind of got a little more that's how I usually do my thing I'm like I order enough food for today and tomorrow that sort of thing um biscuit king you're you are the number one customer obviously probably yeah like I don't know why you don't already have like all their merch they already should have you as like the face of the company like what do you what's going on there? I don't know they need us up to get a sponsorship Quack KFX Quack AF plus plus Biscuit King have a little crossover hunt tricks don't miss okay oh man I remember when I showed you that that movie for the first time oh my god you just set a whole thing in motion oh was all that too much no it was like I just love I loved watching that movie the song stuff like that oh yes yes yes yes yes it was it was so funny because I was like it was a theater experience when it first the movie first came out we were talking about K-pop demon hunters by the way guys right um back like uh what was it what was it last year it had to be it was a little while ago yeah it was a very long while ago um I was still first hanging out with you for a while you know we were still getting uh reintroduced each to each other or whatever um and K-pop Demon Hunters had come out in theaters which was really important to me as an animation fan because you know the industry has been very weird since quarantine a lot of sh a lot of shows and movies have been stuck on like serv streaming services for the longest time and this was one of those movies that deserved a theatrical release and when I saw that it was having one I was like oh my god I have to support I have to make sure that people know that people want this and I um decided to invite my friend Trey over here uh for the sake of just like you know it'd be good exposure for you to just like get to get to see it um we went to go to do we went to the theater of course there were plenty of children it is a child's film at the end of the day yeah and anybody who talks about k pop demon hunters nowadays oh they know golly um there we go there's on the mic folks yep it was on the mic damn sorry ooh double whammy on that one double whammy but um uh what was I oh the theater right you me and him at the theater and hearing the kids sing along to the songs that I've been hearing for like the last few months just in my earphones it was it was magical and then it was that first song that got Trevor like I over all of them? Yeah I gotta say how it's done yes with that one okay with that one every other song after that he was like how it's done done like that's the one he will always be referencing I love it my fucking gym playlist bitch I might listen to dead the motherfucking I love that for you I still like the movie for sure it is unfortunately overplayed nowadays like it's everywhere they've definitely played golden they played golden online oh my god they love golden like it's a bit I was at the gym and I heard golden when it the first movie first came out I heard golden in the movie that you might in the gym so yeah that's insane to it uh uh but yeah overexposure is never good for any type of media but you know what I'm happy Sony is getting their props that's what I will say Sony Animation is doing a great job last few years and I'm so proud to know that there's someone who's pushing the envelope I'll say and actually like making other studios try because illumination exists and they're doing something. They came out with a movie recently Minions and Monsters and I have heard some good things about that. Like it's a surprisingly actually good Illumination film. If you've watched any other films like the Mari movies or anything like that they are not movies worth paying money for I will say it's hot take sorry to say I will say animation itself is always beautiful so you're not gonna be you're not gonna be like it it's there for that but like overstimulation is the key word with these movies. They go way too fast. Yeah that could be it could be it yes and they're they're for children so of course they're appealing in the like bright colors all in your face all the time but like hot damn I don't think the new movie is any different in that regard but there are some pretty good jokes I've gotten some clips on my on my feed and I'm like okay well actually it was kind of like the George Louis like okay illumination you can get my panties a little bit this time. Not panties okay but um we actually did have a story for today before we got into our topic.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_04It actually happened really recently um so recently uh my friends thought it would be great to invest in Life 360 which is something I hadn't ever heard about before I didn't even know this existed until like um our friend Sunstone is it sunstone right now or was it it was sunstone as of now yeah as of right now okay great our friend Sunstone as of right now they introduced the idea of it and um I was like oh interesting and what happened was what was it a couple two three D's Saturday? It was Saturday. This last Saturday um what was it July I'm not good with dates of course July the 11th 7 eleven 7 twice 7 twice 7 eleven but on uh uh july 11th I was in a terrible car accident I'm kidding I was not actually but uh I was in a very interesting situation I was driving past a car on the road and I to explain it fully it was a dark road it was near um I can't say that I guess can I like the streets or anything? I don't think you say it was okay I'll say I'll keep it on long story short though this is a city road like you know in the city yada yada yada it's dark it's really dark because apparently the lights like the um the street lights were not on and that was a very interesting thing to notice after the fact but the streets were the street lights were not on outside there were two parked cars on both sides of the road and one and there was one on my side so I had to move over a little bit and there was one on the other side and the car that was coming close to me had collided with the parked car. And my brain from what I keep telling myself my brain exaggerates immediately the situation because I just remember that I heard the sound of a crash as the car is still close to me and then all I know is that the car is flipped and I I am under the assumption that it's fli it flipped over me and fell behind me as I'm driving past. Like I heard crash I speed up to get past this and then it's it's flipped over when I look back and I was just in such a shock and amazement that it was just like oh my god I didn't know what to do at first the first thing I did the first thing I did as soon as I like parked my car was call my friend Trey because I was just like oh my god dude this is serious I yeah no go ahead oh you had a you your mouth opened I was gonna say something about no I'd rather let you finish are you sure yeah because you open your mouth I was gonna say like he he didn't call the police y'all yeah he didn't call that he called this motherfucker piss you know where home is at all right my my brain instantly was like I need to tell someone what just happened right now and you were just the first person in my mind like I was like I need to tell you because something I someone needs to know this not me. But then I was like oh my god wait someone's in danger I need to call the police so I hung up on him called the police and they're already contacted by people people are already like gathering around like oh my gosh what just happened so yada yada yada um uh as I'm walking up I meet the person whose whose house is right where the car is parked and um she tells me that the car that was parked was her husband's and I was like oh my god he must be at he I guess he's not at now that I'm thinking about it he's of course he's of course not at work if his car is right there. But I was like okay is he away or something um but his his parked car hits like a pole and like the the the the the left side the right side of his car is like messed up like that's totaled it's it's it's over it's done. The car is still flipped she tells me details on that sort of thing. You know she's a white woman she's you know uh lied about it it didn't seem like she was like too scared of anything or any like the any fear or panic in her voice. Yeah so I was like okay that's that's nice to hear um I I mean if I if I were to think of it just real quick my car my car in any type of accident any type of damage I'm like that's money first thought was that's money oh god I wouldn't be able to handle that but I I immediately thought uh after that was just like oh my god I'm extremely lucky like I not only not a single scratch on me not a single scratch on my car just like oh god um either way the situation itself police soon come help the person get out the person is completely fine the driver is completely fine they're completely safe um people gather around um and after knowing that uh I talked to the police for a little bit tell them what I do know because I was kind of the first person to witness this sort of this thing happened on the road um and then after that I kind of just like my brain like zones out and I just like sit down and then I just kind of like on the road I'm just like curled up for a second just sitting and just staring and then someone walks up to me and is like hey are you okay and I'm like I don't recall what I said but I'm sure I tried my best to say I was fine and then as she talked to me more I got to learn her name she's great uh it was it was if I were to say beautiful back woman walked up to me comforted me I was in a fetal position and she was talking to me and making me feel safe despite the fact that of course I was safe and of course uh after I got up we hugged and I advertised quack AF So if you're listening uh Miss Hi but after the fact um that night was just really stressful for me I had afterwards my friends came and comforted me and made me feel better a whole bunch of other stuff happened but the more irrelevant is that everyone's safe everyone's okay and the everything was fine I I next next morning I woke up as everything was back to normal. I was all good. It was a really serious situation though because like again I could have been like I could have been a part of that like I was really close to being a part of that. But um you know the the the fact that I could have been was what made us get Life 360. This is not an ad uh but you know I guess we're we're we're talking about it is relevant and it lets you know people know. Do you want to do you want to explain a little bit of what Life360 is?
SPEAKER_02Yeah so because our friend JJ has an Android and does not have an iPhone we can't see his location. Christmas gift bitch for who? For me give me an iPhone if you want me to have an iPhone so bad. That's why we got live 360 so not only does and we okay the idea of live 360 came up in our minds like with our friend group before but we just never went through with it so we finally did do it go through with it now after this situation happened. So it is an app that can it trash your location it gives you like critical alerts it gives you alerts of like okay this person has left this space and has been on the road for 20 minutes and he got there at this time like it's very detailed as to where and when the person can be this app is not for people that you just you shouldn't have your fucking your person you just met the other day like on this app. Like it's not like for that like if you want to just know the location you should just have their iPhone location or their fucking Android location I don't know if they do that or not whatever but it's for really close friends, family members. Like I said it's called Life 360. So like it's for people that are in your life that are going to be very staple big stables in your life that you want to keep up with and make sure they're safe like we wouldn't have known like if I had been a part of that accident and something would have happened you guys wouldn't have known about it. Right. Unless we had life three through six and so I think with the app Light Through City it detects a crash like it detects like crash I don't know how it does it but there's some type of technology I don't know if I fucking AI or whatever. Don't say some type of technology where it tracks I guess if you're moving so fast and I guess maybe all of a sudden you just stop probably that's a thing in the phone yeah so probably um probably that um and uh like I said we're we're young adults we we have family here but we have our own relationships with our family that can get a little messy and intricate and detailed but it it's that curated family that you want to really have around your circle the ones that you choose to have in your circle because they're the ones that literally sign up to be your friend and be with you and stay with you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04People who you can trust people you can tell things to that will assist you like we've talked about on the show before. Right. Those types of friends that you just know that you can't trust right so like I said life 360 ain't for everybody.
SPEAKER_02Yeah life 360 is not for everybody it is for people that want to make sure your friends are safe your family is safe. Like I said I can understand like me getting this as like a as an adult like if I got my kid with a phone like just making sure they're safe wherever they're at you know they're going to school whatever but um but yeah just it's just another level of safety and precaution to take with your friends to have with them.
SPEAKER_04Can you tell me thank you so much for that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah um can you tell me how deeply are in right now in time just like written time um are we like 15 okay we're only 15 thank god 15 20 minutes okay gotcha because I was like oh god that actually was a bit of a segment wasn't it yeah that's okay that's the beauty of a podcast that's a beauty that's why I said people people love this podcast because they love the podcast yeah I mean that is whatever we're talking about like they're gonna tune and be interested in it's not like we need to have this like structure not even necessarily just a structure but just like I think what people like about it is because we're just talking yeah we're not like acting like it's a podcast we're just talking how do you act like it's a podcast I don't know people like be performative on on on like their shit I guess so they'd be performative I haven't watched a lot of podcasts yeah we don't we and we haven't had an interview yet interview like an actual interview well I guess we with Charlie with um obsidian the first time let it be known let it be known you talked about his last episode with me yeah we're gonna get we did get so comfortable that we talk like we're literally just not even on camera yeah yeah yeah that's that's the beauty of it I think that's to be a podcast but we had the first interview with Obsidian when we were talking about a shading we were asking questions about a shage and I think that was the first interview but I still felt like it felt like a conversation yeah it's sort of like an interview of one person flowed into everything flowed into each other. Yeah yeah okay so that's what I think people like about the show that's what I've heard people like about the show.
SPEAKER_04I'ma hope so too I'm a I I believe it too for sure. Uh on that note though I did want to actually get into our topic for the Okay. So our topic Cookies and Cream. Cookies and cream. Why is it called cookies and cream? Because today we'll be talking about interracial relationships. Yeah, not just dating, not just hookups. Not just hookups. But relationships. Relationships in general. Just having it with people who are not of the same race as you, that sort of thing. Because it's important. You know, there are perspectives in the world that you can't always have, especially if you're just one person. You know, you have relationships with people who are not your race. So let's talk about that today.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I think it is interesting when you say that, like having different perspectives, because it is interesting to learn about different lived experiences that people might have that you don't share that you can learn from and grow from. Because again, as a race, we're not a monolith, and as a people, we're not a monolith. And so to experience and learn about other people's experience, that's it's a good thing. It's a beautiful thing. Um it's a beautiful thing to kind of know and have insights and have those trusted people around you that are not your race. Um because like I said, not all um what's it saying? Not all skin folk or kinfolk.
SPEAKER_03I never heard of what you said skin folk or kinfolk? Or kin folk. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Not everyone's friends. Not everybody that looks like you might not want to be in a relationship with you. Like going on a team or going on a rang. There is a drag queen that was on a podcast. This isn't local, I'm guessing. No, she's she's a pretty like like well-known yeah, well-known drag queen. And she made a comment about two other drag queens, and they're all black. Lovely. And she made a comment about how, and I it's interesting this ties into this, but she made an interesting comment about how the drag community, like the fandom, like they only like black queens if they fit a specific look and feel. Yeah. Basically calling them calling them Oreos, like the white fandoms on like the Oreos of drag queens.
SPEAKER_04I'm still getting very familiar with that definition as that. Oreo? Yeah, like Really? So my Bitch, you're an Oreo. Bitch, I'm an Oreo. Don't say it so proudly. Don't say it so proudly.
SPEAKER_02I mean, bitch, I'll tell you, I'm taking it back.
SPEAKER_04I don't give a damn. I'm an Oreo. I can say it proudly. I don't give a damn. But wait, wait, okay, okay. Because my definition that I understood for the longest time since I was like in like uh middle school or whatever, was like, okay, you know, two black people, one white person, they're in a relationship or something like that, that sort of thing. Like I just thought it was like, oh. The trouble? I guess that sort of thing. Oh, I've never heard of that. But I've only but I I was like, as a joke, like that sort of thing. I've never I am getting um used to the definition of Oreo is a person who I want to say is like they affiliate with white people, or what is this?
SPEAKER_02Basically, black on the outside, white on the inside.
SPEAKER_04Oh, they have like a white personality. Like an Oreo. Black Okay. Literally exterior. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And so I've been called that when I was a kid because and it's just like why am I being called an Oreo? Because I speak a certain I speak white? What does that mean? Right. What does that mean? Act white. Like, how do I act white? And it's just like, and I feel like people are gonna be like, oh, you know. Oh, you, you know, exactly what we're fucking talking about. And I'm like, yeah, I feel like a lot of what people that say you know, it stems from negative stereotypes of black people.
SPEAKER_04I yes.
SPEAKER_02That we're like loud and that we're um really like we're louding, quote unquote ghetto. Like you're saying that just because I don't speak that way, I'm not black enough or whatever. Right. So I think that that it's constantly that argument of just I'm not black enough. Right. And I'm just like when we start doing that, when we start deeming who was black enough and who's not black, you're denying people's experiences. Like people don't know, bitch, what the fuck people gotta go through. Yeah. And as a black person, we all fucking even the fucking Oreos, quote unquote, have to go through fucking racism.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, literally.
SPEAKER_02Like, hey, we go through microaggressions, we go through all that bullshit. So it's just like to sit up in here on a platform and talk about how these people are and uh like I said, she was talking about in a bigger, she's talking about a bigger statement as well. Like the how white like white fandom only like specific black queens.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. So like people of the of a Caucasian race. Right. Never said that before. Right.
SPEAKER_02She was talking about it in a bigger sense, but what I find, and I didn't watch the whole, I just I just saw the clips. The clips, which I just saw the clips. Uh-oh, TikTok user. Right. And just I need to see the whole interview. But to like quantify someone's blackness, yes, that's where we're getting into some dangerous territory.
SPEAKER_04I feel like it's like it's that thing. Okay, so in our group chat, uh it's reminded me of a thing. In our group chat a while back, I had sent a picture of a of a um of a bench, and the bench had like blacks only um uh graffiti on it. Like it was like a thing. And it was like it was a message in itself. It was a thing of itself, and it was like I don't want to get too deep into it because I did like have a whole thing about it, but it was just like it essentially got the idea of people should only be a certain way. Like black people should only be a certain way, only people here in this position or this are denying other people of their other things. And it has it could it had other interpretations as you know our other friends spoke on, but it was just like from what I had gleamed from it, it was that same thing of just like I'm black, I have my struggle, and my struggle is important, right, and valid. And valid, right. And that's true. It's also a thing of like promoting that struggle as like a specific thing. Like, we like how people are doing it is like, oh, I'm black and you're you, that sort of thing. It's like a separation thing, and that's what it feels like to me in this case where it's like, oh, I can't think of the words. I can't think of the words, I can't think of the words, but it's just like a thing where it's like you are promoting your struggle and then passing it on to others, and it's like, oh, I've struggled more than you, I'm better than you because of this, that sort of thing. And not even other just racist, but just like, you know, the Oreo thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's a thing called like things like the struggle Olympics. Struggle Olympics where you start like quantifying people's struggle. Like I feel like again, quantifying people's trauma, like you can't really do that because we're all different, like we all experience things differently. So one thing that might be a show to you, one thing that might be traumatic for you might be like a random Tuesday for somebody else. Yeah. So I don't think that we should do that. I don't think we should quantify a person's race, I don't think we should quantify people's struggles because that's everyone's going through what they're going through.
SPEAKER_04Literally, every experience is important. Right. So and as crazy as that is, there are people who go through very serious things that deserve attention, that sort of thing, right? It is worse to demean other people's struggles. There are like very exaggerated instances where it's like a kid drops their ice cream and they're like, ah, struggle is important or something, I don't know, compared to like something even worse. But it's still like obviously there are just there is no point in quantifying these sorts of things. Right. I feel and I feel like people take pride in their their struggle and then kind of apply that to other things. I think you should bring power, I think you should have power and bring power to your pain and like you know, you being able to move past that, you're you're powerful for that, you're strong for that. But don't look at your struggle and then like, oh, this person, they didn't even have it as hard as as as hard as I did. So why are they even crying about anything? It's like how old people or older people, sorry. Older people are like, oh, you haven't just seen this the worst of it, honey. Your struggles are nothing, your your point of problems are nothing right now. It's like, okay, sure.
SPEAKER_02So I was thinking, like, uh with people, people inside of our communities, because we exist in intersectionality of being plack and black and queer, yeah, but just starting to quantify people's struggle and quantifying that, like I want to feel comfortable going back to dating. Like I want to feel comfortable with the person I'm with. And if there's even in our community a level of like quantifying my blackness, I think that this could sometimes push people away from dating inside their own race because they're feeling like, oh, well, I'm not black enough for them, so I need to date outside my race. I need to date outside the community. That's actually so true. Yeah, and so I think there's that one side, but there's also another side of like, well, if there's already people in my community quantifying my struggle, why would I want to go to another person that's not my race and have them automatically quantify? Not automatically, but like automatically quantifying my struggle.
SPEAKER_04They believe I have this struggle that they think that my race has all the time.
SPEAKER_02And so I'm like Right, and they could they could put me in a box and stereotype me. They could say, like, oh my they could say that their struggle was quote unquote worse than my struggle or whatever. So it's just like it's just interesting when I think about interracial dating because I I'm gonna be honest, I am probably going to only seriously date black black people. But like I might be open to like I might be open to other races and just as I get older, I might get more comfortable around like just doing like dating. But I just don't see myself ending up with a white person. Yeah. It's just and it could change that. Yeah, yeah, it could. But I just right now I don't see myself ending up with a white person because I just don't think that what I'm going through as a black American would promote me to be comfortable enough to explain and exist with another white person.
SPEAKER_04And that part I definitely understand. With but uh the thing with me is like with age comes experience. That sort of thing. Well, not all the time. I've explicit expressed that before that not everyone experiences things or whatnot, but with age comes experience. And sometimes you experience things that kind of change your perspective on things, and it's like, oh, okay, I might be more comfortable for this reason or whatever. Like when you were younger, like if you had the freedom to date a person who you were comfortable with, it probably wouldn't be the exact same person that you're probably comfortable with dating right now. Like, not like not even just race-related, but like, oh, size related, like weight related to weight or related to like, I don't know, facial features or whatever. Like most people probably when they were younger, they were like, Oh, you know, this skinny person is like really attractive. This um person who's thicker, they aren't as attractive. That sort of thing. But nowadays it's like a very, very much big thing, apparently, where a lot of people are like into people who uh have a lot more weight on them, like on masks. Yeah, it's starting to become a thing because like thick, thick thighs save lives, okay? No kidding. All right.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But it's just like I feel as though there's just things that happen with that happen to us that affect our perceptions on things. And especi especially with relationships, like long-term relationships, you don't, as as the saying goes, you don't get to choose who you kind of fall in love with. You kind of you kind of fall in love with who you love with. And you're like, you have your type, you have the type of person you'd like to be with, like who you'd prefer to be with, but your type might not be the person you end up with, for sure. Right. And so it's just like, oh, there could be a white person that sweeps your fucking feet off your feet. Your feet off your feet. Your feet off your feet. Or there's like a uh, I don't know, an Indian man who like slaps the hell out of you. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03In a good way, like what you like.
SPEAKER_02I think also I think also it has to do with your family and upbringing, I think, as well. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because a lot of my family, like, there's not a lot of I think I can name like two or three people that have had relations with a white person in my family.
SPEAKER_04Like they've had relationships.
SPEAKER_02Like my aunt, I think she married a white person, but I never even met them because they were like it was not even that long, I don't think. I was gonna say. Um my cousin, my cousin had like a baby with what my cousin had a baby with a white person. Like he's the dad, and the mom was white. Okay. And then my sister now, she's marrying a white person.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02And I was gonna ask after all, but like everybody else is either married black or is black, might be light, bright, light skinned, like bright. So, but like, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I was gonna ask, like, how long have these have how long have these relationships been going on for?
SPEAKER_02The ones with white people?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, specifically.
SPEAKER_02So my aunt that married the white guy, I'm not even sure. I don't even know a whole lot about uh him because she has been with my she was with my uncle for so long, he passed away. Um couple years ago, like two, three years ago, he passed away. Okay. But she as long as I've known, as long as I could remember, I feel like she's been with him. Okay. So the other guy, the white guy, he was probably they probably married before I was even born or before I was even old enough to even remember. And they're still married. No, they're not married anymore. Like my no, like my uncle, the black guy that my my aunt was married to. Okay. That she this I think it's her second husband, the black guy, my uncle that I know. Okay, the one that passed.
SPEAKER_04Oh, the aunt was the mom.
SPEAKER_02No. Fuck.
SPEAKER_03That was a lot, okay. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02So my aunt married a white guy. Your aunt, your black aunt married a white guy. My black aunt married a white guy. Got you. Let's keep going. This is before I was able to remember. All right, gotcha. Okay, keep it going. Then they got a divorce. Okay. For whatever reason. I don't even know. Oh. Then after they married, or after they got a divorce, my aunt met my uncle. I call him my uncle because I actually know him and I grew up with him, and he like took care of me and stuff like that. Not took care of me, but like we, I spent the night over his um at his house, whatever, and we like um bonded? Bonded and stuff like that. We actually bonded with each other. Okay. So I call him my uncle, and so she married him, and he was they were married until he passed away. He was married all the way up until he passed away. And he was black man? He's black, yeah. Okay, gotcha. So and then So there's that. The other relationship? The other relationship was I think it was just a casual encounter, and they had a baby, my cousin, my other cousin. Okay, so your cousin, your black cousin had a baby with a white woman. Yeah. And then my sister is gonna marry a white person. Like, she's gonna be like mirror. Like this is gonna be her, her, I don't put her business out in the street like that, but like this is gonna be her, this um, it's gonna be another marriage. Another marriage, yay! So not her first one. I'm hoping it's not her first one. It's like her, I think it is her second one. Okay. So I'm hoping that this one probably will stick because they're a lot old, they're like, they're older. Like my sis almost um 40. He's I think maybe 50. So I'm thinking like they're probably gonna be it's a lot more stability. Okay. I think it's not gonna be like moving around. When you're older, you usually have all the stuff. Right. So the relationships, the two that I know of that didn't really last that long, but this one I'm hoping will like last longer. But like everything else, like so everyone else has been black with black. Black with black, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Okay, gotcha. I don't think I had a lot of people in my life that were white when I was growing up, very much like so on the same level of everyone married a black person, most likely, that sort of thing. Like, I think the closest I had was a cousin who was white. Um, and I for the life of me, I still don't even know where she came from for real, for real. Like, I don't even know how she's a part of our family, but I just know that she is. She was a part of my childhood for a good minute. Um and I'm trying to think of anybody else in my family who was like who was like that. I don't think so. Like, I think uh literally I didn't have a lot of exposure to that with my family when it comes to like white people. And so whenever it came to um white people, I think it was like really when I got to college, like that's when it was like really like exposed, like, oh crap, there's like this new type of person. I mean, of course I've seen white people before. So like actually wrong. I'm so sorry, I actually am wrong. But keep asking a question real quick.
SPEAKER_02So like you're beginning to be attracted to white people. Did that start in college, like here?
SPEAKER_04Sorry, yeah, that's where I was wrong, actually. Okay. I went to um two schools at once, and one of the schools was an academy, and that school there, that's where I got exposed to a lot more white people. Like there were a lot more white people there, like the white students, the theater students, art students, this sort of thing. Okay. Yeah, and that's when it was like, okay, I kind of got in I can I could be attracted to these people as well. Like most of my life I grew up around like just attractive guys, like who were black. And it was just like, okay, yeah. And I think it was just like a new type of like thing at the time to actually like I guess see attractive white people. When I when I finally like did my two high school thing. Um But I don't recall like really when I was there, like anybody I was attracted to that was white. Like I don't recall anybody who was like white that I was like really attracted to. Uh I just know that there I did get exposed to it a little earlier. But like when I got to college, that's when it was like, oh, okay. Yeah, no, there's like actually like men here who are not my race that I am very much attracted to. That sort of thing. Um and you know, as I said before in previous episodes, uh for a very long time in my life, I didn't really see color. I'm not I'm not really a person who was who was de-wired into like, oh, this is my race, this is how this race could see me, this is how this race could see me, that sort of thing. It was just like, oh, you're your you're you're your color. You're your you're your skin color. I'm my skin color. We exist. We our ancestors have fought for moments like this, literally to just coexist. And so that's what I just did for a long time. I didn't really think about like yeah, the stuff before. Yeah. So when it comes to me and relationships or whatever and all that stuff, it's like I can be with anybody, like anybody of any race is like really cool, like to me. Because one, I think there is a m very much a value in a shared experience. Like, oh, you and me went through the same experiences, like, oh, your mom did this, oh you know, all that sort of thing. But I also very much value an experience of someone who has something completely different going on, like getting to understand someone from a different angle of just like, oh, this is something customary to your family or to people of your race. Right. And they're oh, you put raids in your chicken salad.
SPEAKER_03Oh that's a choice.
SPEAKER_04Like literally, I just never really thought about that. And it's very much not until um, what was it? I think it was like my first my second boyfriend, or maybe like my first best friend. I think it was my second, my second boyfriend where I actually started like actually like that switch was turned on where it's like, oh shit. People people looking at you in this people could be looking at you in this light. You need to think about that actually, actively. And that was a thing where I was like, oh shit, you're right. And it and then slowly but surely race jokes go from jokes to just like ideals and then ideals to actual philosophies to where it's like, oh, there's connections to this, there's like layers to this to why people talk or think like that, not talk like this, more like talk about each other in this way or think like this in in this way or whatever. That sort of thing. Uh, but truly, truly speaking, because of just that how I grew up with the mindset I have, I believe it's like deep wired in me to just be like okay with kind of anybody, like that sort of thing. It's just like you I don't associate like this, I don't associate a person's like specifics to their race, more than I associate it with them. And I think that there are some instances where I definitely do, because I won't entirely go uh crazy about my job here, but um uh there are just like times where they I've seen that the the the family that I work for be generous in a specific way, and it also matches up with how one of my friends is very hospitable as well. And it was like a thing. I was like, oh, do all my do all my people do this? It was like, oh. That's just a thing that they do. They just really care about like this thing, and it's not even it and I see. That there are some cases where it's like rooted in fear, like a rooted in like, oh dang, I don't want to be seen as this type of thing. Right. But it's also like, as my friend told me, it was also because you like you kind of take that fear and then rip it from away from that and take it for what it is, like something good. Something good to just leave a good impression just because, not because you're scared of something more than just like taking that good from it and taking the fear of what it ha what it came from and then just taking the good out of it and just being like a good person just because. That sort of thing. And it's just like, yeah, no, that's just some that's just something some races have to do. I don't think there's a lot of times where I've thought about other races that are not just black or white in this same degree. I feel kind of bad about that. I mean, I think I've I've dated a few uh Hispanic people, I suppose. So it's like, you know, I've uh I've gotten familiar with their uh their own culture and their um customaries and whatnot. Right. Oh man, I've mmm my ha my life has been happier because people have just been generous to me for no reason and most of the time they have been Hispanic. That's just a thing. And it's just like a coincidence. But it's just yeah, no. Um for me, when it came to dating people or having relationships with people or hookups or anything like that. I if you if I think you look attractive, then you're attractive to me, and that is the basis of it.
SPEAKER_02I guess for me, I just have I've I don't know if it's natural, I don't know if it's societal, like I just have like a I feel like it's natural. I feel like I just have like a more of a natural attraction to black men. Yeah. Which is fine. Probably A out of ten black men, I'm probably attracted to. You have said this before. I think you said nine out of ten before. If you just put ten random ass black men in front of me, I'll probably attract to A out of ten.
SPEAKER_04That's a that's a good statistics, actually.
SPEAKER_02Like, I like there's two, I'd be like, ah shit. No. Can't touch that. But I think I'm just naturally more attracted to black men. Like I've the crush that I've had on in school, like it was mostly black guys. Um I I did have a crush on a white um guy when I was younger, like in elementary school. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's something I can say. I've never had a crush on a white guy. Oh, interesting. I've only had crushes on people who were like of my similar race.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um and so like it just experiencing that, like, I'm not gonna say like I'm not open to it, but I just I'm just more attracted to black men. I don't I don't want to say it's a preference. I don't I'm not gonna say I don't know what it is. Don't get weird. I don't know what the fuck is whatever. But I'm just more attracted to them and like I just haven't um I just haven't really messed a whole lot of weapons. I'm thinking I was thinking about I was trying to remember what I was trying to say. Sorry. But like I don't I'm I haven't really had a whole lot of experiences with being attracted to a whole lot of white people. Like, there's just some white people that I'm attracted to, some white people I'm just not attracted to at all. And so if can I say the same thing?
SPEAKER_04Like if you were to say put 10 white people in a room, how many people do you think you'd be attracted to? Two. No, no, I'm just That's not a real to me.
SPEAKER_03That's not a real for real to me.
SPEAKER_02No, maybe like realistically, maybe like five.
SPEAKER_04Five? Really have a five. Five out of ten. Maybe five out of ten, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because I mean there's some attractive white people that I'm attracted to, but I'm just more attracted to black men. Like, I feel like as a growing up, like I didn't like that's what I was gonna say. I feel like growing up, like I knew I was black, but I don't think I had a color blindness, you're right. But like I don't think I had a colorblindness to myself, to where I I know this person's white, I know this person's Hispanic, I know this person, like I probably as a kid, like a little kid, I didn't really it didn't really matter to me, especially like growing up because it didn't really matter because everything was just you're just being a kid, right? But I feel like as I grew up, I realized like there's just differences in people based off of customs, differences based off traditions, like just whatever. And I don't know if I I think I did tell this story about how like when I was younger, I call I was called the N-word.
SPEAKER_04Oh, did you?
SPEAKER_02Like it was like a I say it was a drive by it was a drive-by because I was sitting, I don't maybe I didn't tell this. Maybe I didn't tell us. I don't remember this. It was in seventh grade, actually, because I remember it was because I remember the people I told after the fact I started laughing, they started laughing about it.
SPEAKER_04They started laughing.
SPEAKER_02They were black and they wanted to make me, I guess I don't know, they were just making me like feel louder about the situation, I guess, in the moment. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04You didn't know what the word meant, I'm guessing though, right? The N-word? At the time? Like it probably just sounded like in seventh grade.
SPEAKER_02Did you know? I knew that it was disrespectful as fuck, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Okay, got oh, you said seventh grade.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, seventh grade, like seven, one, two, three, four, five, seven.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I thought you said second grade.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, seventh. Yeah. Yeah. So I was it was after school tutoring. I stopped, uh, I did tutoring or whatever, and I was finished tutoring, and then I just sat outside of I guess I should have sat in the I guess I should have sat with the teacher, to be honest. Now I'm thinking about it. But I ended up sitting outside on the curb of my school waiting for my my mom to come hit me up, and the street was like this long street that was right in front of the school that like had cars that you could see them for a long time driving past you as you come back and forth. So I was sitting there with my black ass skin, and this blue, I think I remember it was either a blue or a green pickup truck, and this guy literally was driving by and out the corner, like out of his window, he was like, he said, like really loud. I um I didn't want to say it from But yeah, it was just like I was like, oh, I was just I didn't really honestly in the moment I didn't know how to process it. I'm still like don't really know how to process it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it sounds crazy as fuck.
SPEAKER_02And I literally didn't say anything to my mom when she picked me up. I didn't say anything to my dad when we when she dropped me off, and we or not dropped me off, but when we all came back in the house, until late that night when I was sitting in my bed and I started ruminating over things and ruminating over my day, and I ruminated over that moment, and I was like, he really just called me the N-word. And I just couldn't I feel like I need to tell somebody. So I told my mom in the moment, like when I was about to go to bed, I told my mom, and she was like, Yeah, that's she she gave me some kind of talk about race a little bit and just people in this world are gonna do that, and you're gonna have to I don't remember exactly what she said, but she she tried to comfort me in the moment because it was like, damn, like you're fucking 12 going on 13 or thirty yeah, 12 going on 13, having to be called an N-word, like just sending them just for existing, right? So yeah, I know why the fuck do I mean we just going on fucking range?
SPEAKER_04It's always basically well I add a point to that because I feel like if you've grown up in the way that you have, especially if you grow up black rather, um you've always had someone probably give you that talk, like that talk you just had with your mom, my uncle gave me a talk. But my talk was not because of something racist, ha racist happening to me, like racial happening to me. It was more so like I was a class clown, I was a kid who would always make, you know, the noise or whatever. Not always. I I actually was a pretty quiet kid when I was growing up, but apparently I was just acting a certain way. And um one time my uncle just kind of set me aside one night and was like, hey, so here's here's you know, the world could perceive you in a certain way, like perceive us in a certain way. Not like our family, but more so just literally, you know, our skin. I well, the thing about it is he didn't really like specifically mention my race, but when I think about that talk, I can immediately associate that that's what he was referring to. Like how I present myself is how people will see us. And that's just kind of how I took it. Well, that's how I take it now. I don't think it really was something that I resonated with when I was a kid or when it was happening. So it was like, you know, he probably kind of said those words to a person who was not even fucking listening for real, for real. But now that I'm thinking about it, I'm really I'm remembering it's like, yeah, my uncle was trying to give me that talk where it was like your race is important. You're you need to make sure you act in the way that presents you in the best way. Presents you in the best way to do it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because you don't want to be the cloud because I mean it it it's there are these tropes that we can talk about, like you said, when we're talking about the move to media, like there's different tropes of us being portrayed in media as the loud ghetto black one or the um the class clown or the one that's always a fucking uh suspension, school suspension. And it's these stereotypes, but there aren't a lot of more positive like there's I mean I feel like they're starting to do nowadays. Oh for sure nowadays it's like still like those those those less like apparent like my I don't want to say microaggression, but just like interesting, like in media, like in media, yeah. Like The Prince and the Frog. All I I didn't even notice it until well I didn't notice, I didn't know this, like well, I I don't know if I noticed it until they said it, but yeah. But just how like with The Prince and the Frog, the movie, the Disney movie, uh, she wasn't a black woman for a majority of the movie, she was a fucking frog, which is one of my favorite movies, it's so fucking cute. I love it. It is a great movie. Grandma Odie, like Mama Odie, fuck I love her. So, but to have that movie and then like the movie, what's the movie Soul?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Also, again, yeah, he's not a black person throughout the entire movie for the majority of the movie. Uh-huh. That's one thing. The other thing, why is it that she had to marry somebody that was not black?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I think.
SPEAKER_02Somebody that was like, he was, he was, I don't know, specifically, he was he was not black. He might have been mixed, he was definitely mixed, he might have been mixed with black, but you he was racially ambiguous, I feel like. You couldn't tell exactly what it was. He wasn't he wasn't black, he wasn't a nigga. He didn't have the he Well, I don't want to say he wasn't a nigga, but he wasn't black. You couldn't tell by his skin that he was black.
SPEAKER_04Right. He was just a person of darker skin color.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he was more tan. He wasn't you couldn't say with definitive doubt, oh yeah, that he's black. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Racially ambiguous was definitely the word for uh what was his name, Prince something?
SPEAKER_02Prince Naveen is fine. Like I said, he was racing ambiguous, but he was fine as fuck. That was not ambiguous. But yeah, exactly. So it's just like interesting to say, like, what how we're portrayed in media and how like blackness can be portrayed.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they treat that. I will say it you acknowledging that, not to say that it's a it's like some sort of agenda or not to add to it, but it is like a thing where um think about one of my favorite films from Disney, it's like turning red. Okay. It's about a um Asian girl growing up in the 2000s or whatever, and she's having her first period. That sort of thing.
SPEAKER_02That's what the movie's about.
SPEAKER_04Oh god.
SPEAKER_02That's what that movie's about. Have you I've heard of it, but I never knew that that's what that movie's about. Okay. So is it?
SPEAKER_04It's more of a like an allegory.
SPEAKER_02That's what I'm gonna say. Like it's like a allegory. But it's not because he turned into like a bear or something like that, right? Turn into a panda berry or bear.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. A red panda berry. Uh I think there actually is a specific word for it, but I can't think. Sorry to everyone who actually knows, and you can't tell me right now in my face what it is, because it's gonna bother me, that will bother me as well. I was about to call her Tanuki. But yeah, long story short, she transforms as well. I can say it's like another thing where it's like another person, I I guess I'll kind of say POC. A person with POC transforms into something that isn't their skin. That's kind of the plot of the movie. Um, but it also is like, and I guess it's not as can it's not it doesn't hold as well because she does turn back and then turn again. And she kind of uses it actually, she takes advantage of um what what what uh the disadvantages of it. Like she's like, oh, she takes advantage of it and uses her strolls as power, that sort of thing. So there's there's points in there where it's like you can kind of you know tell. And just like with the princess and the frog, they also get more used to their powers and kind of do that thing. Um like I think that is a good like that sort of thing is like a good point for you to make if you wanted to make a specific argument, but I don't know if it's like like I was gonna say, like, I feel like there's a lot more stories where there's a white and a white person, uh mixed and mixed person, but there isn't a lot of Disney stories where there's like a black and white person.
SPEAKER_02That's what I'm saying, like going back to interracial dating, like why do we not see a whole lot of that in Disney movies?
SPEAKER_04Like why couldn't Tiana get with Tyrone? You better call Tyra.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like why? Yeah, like yeah, and so like it's just it's just an interesting notion. It's an interesting thought.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's it's it's something I will say that does make you think for a little bit and just be like, they intentionally do this for a reason. I will have to say, like, if there's certainly Disney right now is disgusting in their own right, but you know, they're trying, I guess, something progressive. I I I'm not gonna give them too much credit. I'm not gonna give them any credit.
SPEAKER_02There's nothing wrong with interracial dating. Like, there's nothing wrong with dating outside your race, but you have to think about like why you're dating outside your race. I think. Right. What are the reasons? And I feel like is it just simple attraction? Is it just like are you being pushed away because of what society says or what the community says? Like Are you a rack without the coon?
unknownOkay, okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, what are the reasons? Yeah, that yeah, try that again. Can I? No, I two more tries.
SPEAKER_04I'll get it right the second time. Okay.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, what are the reasons why? You know? Like it could be just simple attraction, but think about like what is it? Are you are you afraid because you're not black enough? Are you afraid because you're not this enough to date inside your race? Um, do you feel more comfortable with other people because of your own insecurities? Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Reflect on those reflect on those pressures and pursue against them, I'd say. Yeah. Literally, like, if you think that it's something like, oh dang, this is a sign that I'm not black enough, then who says that that's not black enough? Who says that that's against what who you are and what you what this is? You know who you are. Right. I don't know who you are. Is your name like with two syllables or three of them? What? Are you free on Friday nights? Do you like long walks on the beach? Um where's this? I can get to know where you are.
SPEAKER_02I can get to know who you are. This is not this is not this is not plenty of fish. This is not plenty of fish. This is a motherfucking podcast. We're on the motherfucking clock. You're fucking risen. You're fucking risen up there.
SPEAKER_03Let me rise you up, girl.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Oh. Please. But yeah, like you said, just interracial dating and like I like I've never dated a white person. I never dated with white people. I've hooked up with white people before. Disgusting. I've hooked up with these two. He's part of these two marshmallows. Less than five on my hand. Oh god. Like, do you know that that Spongebob reference?
SPEAKER_03Uh yes, I do. I do. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_04Marshmallows. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Literally, marshmallows.
SPEAKER_04So the camping episode, right? Huh? That was a camping episode? The C.
SPEAKER_02I think it was a camping episode. No, I think it was the one where he's like lifting up weights.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_02He was like trying to lift it up. He was like, the arms up as well. I think it was that one. I think it was that one. Never mind, then okay. But yeah, I just don't like I said, uh I think going back to my reasons, like, why are you why are you interracially dating? Is it just simple attraction? Why are you not interracially dating? I was gonna say, well, the exact opposite on that. Right. Is it because of your own insecurities? Like, I'm afraid that I'm gonna get with a white person and it's gonna be fucking like get out or something like that.
SPEAKER_03That movie has done numbers to interracial dating.
SPEAKER_02See, I haven't seen the full fucking movie. I just saw the clips and the shit.
SPEAKER_03I mean, once you actually watch the movie, you're gonna still not, it's gonna be worse. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02That movie was that movie was like, oh, don't date a white girl ever. Right. And it's just like you you never know, like, because when you date this white person, you might be dating a white person that's like very progressive and this and the third and liberal. And the dick. Right. But then the family might be conservative as hell and like very ignorant and just voting for the Cheeto and shit like that. Like, it's just like crazy like that. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And it's just like watching watching who you date and just understanding who they are. Yeah. Dating is very important. We we are talking about relationships here. So we're I I guess that's like better, bigger to kind of focus on because you know, friendships are as well a really big part of relationships.
SPEAKER_02But you know, dating a w Yeah, that's a good that's a good point. What were you about the big old gas right there? That's a good point because like I I'll be okay with being friends with a white person. Of course. Well, some people aren't. Yeah, some people aren't. But I don't know if I would be like okay and ready to date a white person.
SPEAKER_04Because dating is like super important. Like, that's like the doorway to the rest of your life, sort of thing. Like, that's why you'd probably want to be more curious or more sure of who you're dating.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_04When it comes to friendships, they people are meant to come and go in your life. So it's like, okay, if a person is meant to not be in my life, then it's fine if I were to get to know a person, learn some life experiences from them, and then keep moving forward. That sort of thing. So of course being friends with a white person is completely more viable for anybody than being friends with uh being than dating. Than getting dicked down by one, I think. Yeah. Sorry, dating.
SPEAKER_02Like yeah, it is just interesting because like I I I would be okay if like a if like I said, it couldn't be just any white person though. They have to be like cultural. That you're attracted to or no, no, no, no. You're friends with. Okay. They have to be aware of what's going on. I don't I feel like I shouldn't have to feel like I have to explain myself to them. Yeah. And I don't want to feel uncomfortable around them either because like I just feel like there's there's just this like air of whiteness that some people have. Oh my god. Where I have to be like, oh shh, let me air of blackness. Right. There's like an air of whiteness that I have to feel like I have to feel like I have to act a certain way in front of them. Like I can't do all of what I want to do in front of them. Yeah. And like I said, I'm not I'm a social chameleon anyway. Like I adjust to what's going on. That's kind of yeah. Code switching. Yeah, code switching. And so, but like I don't if I'm friends with you, I don't want to feel like I have to do it all the time.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02I want to feel able to I want to be able to feel comfortable around you. Have you? Sorry. Yeah, no, go ahead.
SPEAKER_04Uh I was gonna say, have you ever been friends with a person, a white person to the degree where you've been able to be comfortable in the way that you're talking about?
SPEAKER_02No, because they've usually most of the time has just we parted ways. Like in high school, we grew up, and then we all and I moved to here, I didn't really have a whole lot of close white friends. Okay. Like we would I have white friends for sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but they weren't like you couldn't be yourself around.
SPEAKER_02I guess I couldn't, I didn't feel that comfortable enough to be myself. Not even nothing, nothing against them. It just maybe we didn't have the right amount of time put in for me to become comfortable around them. Yeah, that makes sense. But the ones that I've stick stuck with have been naturally, they've all been black. All my white friends, we just parted ways eventually.
SPEAKER_04Okay. If for if I can't, if I may mention mine, uh usually speaking, it is like I do tend to have friends who are very much aware of social standings and whatnot, and also do not vote for idiots. So um that the that I would say, like again, the way I grew up, I have always been myself. If you didn't like me, I already knew you didn't like me. And you didn't like me because of you, not because of my race or anything like that or anything like that. So it's like there is no there there are there I know about that era of whiteness you're referring to, right? Just as again, with the air of blackness, that these things do exist to some degree. But when it comes to with being around my friends, I do just see the human in them, and I just like that type of like I have a closeness with my friends, my white friends, and all that jazz, in a way where it's like I can just be myself. I was already gonna be myself, but you you know, you have you you give me the door. I know that I can at least be somewhat of myself around you, if not just fully myself, which I am with some of my white friends. Like again, it's just for me, it's very different because I'm just if you're a human being and I can see how you're a human being, that's all I need to kind of have the door to friendship and other things as well. It's just that's just how it works for me.
SPEAKER_02I just see human because yeah, like I feel like that's what it should be ideally. It should be that way. It should be the ideal, but it's just not like that because of societal like norms and what we've grown up into.
SPEAKER_04But there's reasons. I understand that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And it it just sucks sometimes not have like it it's beauty and diversity. Like it's beauty and diversity, diverse cultures, diverse customs. Like it's beauty in that. And not being able to open yourself up to those cultures because you're like closed-minded. Like that could be a situation where you're closed-minded, where you're not opening yourself up to what I'm a Swifty. Right. Um, but also, like I said, being just culture aware of what's going on and being aware of your surroundings is an okay skill to have too, because of the society that we live in. Because it is excuse me. Because of the society we live in that does that does see color, that's very, very colored, like not colorblind. Oh. That's not colorblind. I used to grow up colorblind. People are not colorblind. Like society, not even just you, but like society in general is not colorblind. Like I feel like we say we are. We want to be, but we're not. Like TikTok, prime example. Like, I feel like I feel like a white person can get on TikTok and do the most basic nothing. Bare bones minimum. Bitch, with a bag on her hand with a fucking two piece symbol. And then get a billion likes. But like if a black person or just even a dark-skinned tan person do the exact same thing, exact same video, same lighting, same whatever. All that was different was this all it was if it was a skin tone, bitch, that shit would get crickets.
SPEAKER_04It's the same with men and women. It's like those sorts of things, those those exact those things exist. Yeah. And I I haven't seen a specific example of that. That shows my own ignorance. I have not seen an example of that, but I know that it definitely exists. Yeah. That probably is definitely a thing. I think there was like one time I heard about like um there's a very popular trend that popped off because of a black person committing to it, like making it. And then I think you told me about it. Where some a black person did like a trend that they started and then a white person did it, and that's when the trend actually like popped off.
SPEAKER_02Don't know what we're talking about, but I wish I could. Pretty sure it's happened. It's happened multiple times. Now people have started to like, oh, put dance credit in front of. And like I said, TikTok is like dance credit, like it's not, it's not as big now. Like TikTok is not how it used to be, where everyone was doing a bunch of fucking well, I think kids still do dances and shit like that. But it's not, it's where like now if someone posts a video, and especially if it's like a big creator, and they're taking a dance from somebody, they will put DC or dance credit and they'll tag the person that they got the video from. The dance dirty I find.
SPEAKER_04So they actually give credit.
SPEAKER_02Right. And so I think but I think I don't know about y'all, but my TikTok is straight away from that. It's not as many of people dancing and doing all the that shit. I think people still do it for sure, but it's not as big as it used to be. So what's your TikTok, girly? Well, my TikTok, I have two. One for the plug and one for the load. I have one. I have two. So the first one is my personal one that I use just I just want to, if I just want to get a key, a laugh, if I want to know stuff more about me and who I am as a person, like my astrology, like um personal stuff about Big Three, y'all. Name them. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03Big three. Who big three scare? Gotta do it. You gotta do it before you can't say anything else. You're a big three right now. Okay, bitch. I know it. Bitch, do you know it? Yes. That's the question.
SPEAKER_02I threw it at you, though. So boom. My big three is I'm an Aries. Oh, fuck it. Shut the hell up. Shut the hell up. I'm an Aries sun, a Sag Moon, and a Pisces rising. Hey!
SPEAKER_04Pet test pass. Right. You can't throw the ball back until later. Sorry. You gotta keep going now. No, I'm passing the back right now. You can't throw the ball back. I'm doing it right now. That's how that's not how the game works. It has to be at a random time. I just meant yes. Which means next podcast.
SPEAKER_02No, not the next podcast. No, no, no. This will be this fucking podcast.
SPEAKER_04How much time do we got left? We don't have that much time left. Then I guess you're gonna have to wait until the podcast.
SPEAKER_03No, the fuck won't. It's a five minute, it's a five-minute cooldown. Five minute cooldown. Yeah. Not the cooldown. The teacher thing. What you were saying. What was I saying? He got the fucking three jump scare, and he was like, oh shit, where I'm at.
SPEAKER_04We were talking about.
SPEAKER_02You were talking about how you have two different TikToks. Oh, yeah, that's what it was. Yes. Two different TikToks. One for the personal account where I want to have like see funny videos and funny things and this, that I'm okay with seeing things that I search up be related to me. Okay. Because you know TikTok is Oh yes.
SPEAKER_04Your data's being used all the time.
SPEAKER_02All the time. So I'm okay with it being related to me. My second account is my artist account, the trademarket account, T-R-E-Y-D-M-A-R-K-I-T, is usually like influencer stuff, like how to be a better influencer, how to be a better content creator, how music and the artist stuff. I'm starting I'm not starting to get podcasts stuff, surprisingly, because I post about podcast content, but I don't make, I don't see on my page.
SPEAKER_04Is there like a specific thing on like on that for TikTok? Like, oh, this is a podcast you're uploading right now? Or you could just put you can put hashtags and under the hashtag I have podcasts.
SPEAKER_02Okay, that's probably why it's probably just not like a well, I don't know if podcasts specifically put on the podcast. I don't search podcast stuff though on that account. If I want to search podcast stuff, I usually do my personal one because I want to like shout out to Stealing Rivalry, shout out to Don't Call Me White Girl. I love that podcast. Oh, I didn't know about that one. Um yeah, that one's a pretty funny one. I like that one. Um she's pretty funny. Um she's real too. Um, she's real? I didn't know she was a I didn't know all the other ones were Barbies. Right, Barbie. But yeah, I have two pot I have two TikTok accounts.
SPEAKER_04Right, and your feed on them is looking like you said you were talking about your feed earlier.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because the feed, bitch, we just be going on, I'd be going on a motherfucking tangent. The feed on the second one, the artist account, is more for like um artist stuff and like music ideas and indie artists and um topics just like that.
SPEAKER_04So that's why you don't see a lot of those TikTok dances anymore or whatever.
SPEAKER_02Right, that's what it was. Yeah, so I don't see a whole lot of the TikTok dance anymore. I do see one, the one that went what the recently, like I need a deep sea java, swimming in the fishes, him in this place, like he on a sequencing. Yeah, that. You know that one? No, nigga. Okay, all right. Why would I know that? I don't know, bitch.
SPEAKER_03You might it's not on YouTube, I don't know what that is. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So that one went viral. But like I'm not sure. Was it certain about a black person or a white person? Honestly, I don't know. Because I don't see it on my TikTok. I heard about it, but I don't see it on my TikTok. Okay. But it so it's not even on your personal? No, not it was it did not come on my personal at all. I think it was on the the artist one, I think.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay, interesting. So Okay.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, I mean, this was an interesting conversation. Yeah, really? In a way. Like, I learned a lot. Did you? I did. I learned a lot, and I think I'm more open to Dating a white person.
SPEAKER_03Let's go! We win! Right. White people get in his pennies.
SPEAKER_02Okay, now that's been that's been trying to convert whiteness.
SPEAKER_03The whiteness is case.
SPEAKER_02Here's the air of whiteness. Right, right, right. But I am just I'm I'm just more open. I'm not as I don't think I'm as close off to to being in a relationship with white people. Like I don't think that that I don't think it's fair to I don't think it's fair, just in general.
SPEAKER_04Um Yeah, I I mean if it were the other way around, I wouldn't like I'm not gonna lie, I wouldn't like it. It's like I obviously am not the person, so it's like, oh dang, if you were to do that and just only date people within your race, it's like okay, sure. But if I want if I were a person, uh if I were to say I don't know, I was gonna say like if I had a boyfriend or something and I was asking about their preferences in dating or whatever, it's a boyfriend we're asking this question for fun, I guess, whatever, think of it, be imaginative people on TikTok, whatever. Um but like if I knew a person, I would want them to be, I guess, kind of like as diverse. They don't have to be, of course. It's like a just a thing of just like being as op open-minded, I think. That's the thing. Being open-minded to that diversity and to other people being in your life. And like if I have a friend this might hit a little bit of a few nails on the head, but like if I have a friend who is white, like you don't have like ideals of them immediately because of something they haven't even done yet. Like it's something you it's like the preconception that people have when it comes to zodiac signs. That sort of thing. It's like assuming someone's character before you even really get to know them are based off the race. Yeah, and it's just like people, it takes time to get to know somebody. So it's just like I feel as though if I have if I was with my someone who was a my SO or whatever, then I would want them to have that type of open mindset to just be like, hey, you know, I won't I have I can talk to this person without struggle, despite my own preconceptions, because I want to live in a world where diversity isn't something that needs to be like paraded everywhere. It's something that's just common. Yeah. That we don't have to like think about. It just happens.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah, you can and like you said, it's not we're not we're not advocating for whiteness. I don't, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Is that is that what that came off as?
SPEAKER_02I'm not saying in general, but I think some people might take this podcast, oh these bitches are fucking for white people. They fuck white people. Right. No, I'm just saying you can do whatever you want to. You can do whatever you want to, you can love who you want to, you can fuck whoever you want to. Like that's just who it is. But but be open to the idea and not being so close off today outside your race because of the people. To be friends with you, else be bright. Right, being friends be outside your race. Like, it's just yeah, just start I don't know, just start off there and see where that goes. If you if you feel uncomfortable, like ask yourself, why do you feel so uncomfortable around white people? Like, why do you feel well not around white people, but like just in general, like why do you feel so uncomfortable around being friends with a white person? Yeah. Or uh like a white person that you trust. Because again, there are racist white people, there's racist people everywhere.
SPEAKER_04There's racist black people, there's racist everybody.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. And but are you stereotyping all white people into this category because you of your own preconceptions? Because of your own preconcept preconceived notions, and you're limiting yourself to a love that might be transcendent because you're dating a white person. So we don't know. Like I said, you can fuck whoever you want to fuck. You love whoever you want to love. You can fuck me. Right. Do whatever you want to do. But yeah, that's a good sense.
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SPEAKER_02I am an option. Alright, and that's that's a rap. That's a quack. Oh, that's a quack? That's a quack. That's a quack. I wasn't done like risen it up. We're done. Oh, look at my eyes. Look at my eyes. That's that's wrong. That's ew, not little Nazis.
SPEAKER_03What the fuck Lil' Nazis got to do with me?
SPEAKER_02A be the lip bite? That looks like a lip bite that he would do.
SPEAKER_03Like you did it like that?
SPEAKER_02Okay, that's nice. You look like a fucking muppin. What the hell?
SPEAKER_03That's what I thought too. That's what I thought too. Okay. Well, it was a great talk today. Uh, make sure to look at all our socials. Also give us a little tip on Kofi.
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SPEAKER_04Listen, stream, bitch. Stream, bitch. Stream hope. All right, stream hope. All right, until next time. Bitch, I don't like how you look at the camera. Bitch, I'm I'm here. Oh, you want me to look at you? Yes. Oh, bitch wants some attention. Bye.
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