What's Your Story? with Mike & Scott

Silence Doubt, Conquer Criticism, and Achieve Greatness with Nick Lowery

• Mike Lindstrom + Scott Leese • Season 1 • Episode 29

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Kansas City Chiefs legend and Hall of Famer Nick Lowery is back on What’s Your Story for an inspiring, story-packed episode around the launch of his new book. From being cut 11 times by 8 teams to making game-winning kicks in brutal conditions, Nick shares the mental game, legacy-building mindset, and life lessons that took him to the top — and keep him serving others today.

You’ll hear unforgettable moments: roasting prep (Tom Brady money jokes included), playing with Joe Montana, meeting Muhammad Ali, the power of consistency and connection, and why true success is measured by who you lift up along the way. Plus, details on his upcoming live roast in Kansas City and his decades of work with Native youth and Champions for the Homeless.

If you love football stories, comeback mindset, leadership, gratitude, and turning rejection into fuel — this one delivers.

Key Topics:

  • The brutal reality of getting cut 11 times and still making it
  • Mental toughness & creating your own “office” (inner strength)
  • Famous kicks, game balls & playing with legends (Montana, Allen, etc.)
  • Muhammad Ali stories and what true greatness looks like
  • Legacy, connection, and why trophies mean nothing without people
  • Book launch + live roast this weekend in KC

Chapters
00:00 Intro & Nick Lowery Returns
01:28 Book Journey: Why writing it was the hardest thing he’s done
03:55 Getting Cut 11 Times – Building unbreakable mental toughness
07:30 The iconic rainy field goal + Bill Walsh’s reaction
11:30 Muhammad Ali at the Royals game – A moment of pure grace
15:30 Consistency, Connection & Legacy – What really matters
19:30 Serving others: Champions for the Homeless & Native Vision
23:30 Book launch + live roast this weekend in Kansas City
26:30 Final thoughts & why Nick keeps showing up

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Nick Lowery:

Tom Brady. I don't need 20 million. But could you loan me like Tom Brady was paid 20 million to be roasted? And I'm like, I could probably suck it up a little bit more if I got just one one, 1 million. Just... Just a little bit.

Mike Lindstrom:

So you don't know what's being said. All fairness, you have no clue. I know I'm going to be one of the guys roasting you and I'm not giving you my notes. No. No way.

Scott Leese:

I don't think you want to know.

Intro Band:

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Mike Lindstrom:

Oh, man, (laughing) my goodness. Scott Leese. I'm excited. Another episode. "What's Your Story?" We're laughing because he's got this hat on. We'll get into that a little bit. He's he's legit Bills Mafia. So he's got the story there. I'm pumped about today because we have someone that's been here before and knows the What's Your Story podcast landscape and the studio. Nick Lowry, Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame. Influencer. Professional speaker. Author, by the way. And that's what we came to talk about today was this book. So my man Nick Lowry. Thanks for coming on the show.

Nick Lowery:

Thank you. I'm not an influencer because of Okay. I just want to make that really clear. No cleavage.

Mike Lindstrom:

So what's happened since we spoke, been working on.

Nick Lowery:

The oddest thing I've ever done is to stay I was almost semi-honest that it should have been called "The Art of Procrastination", because it's hard to pull stuff out of yourself, but it's also the best thing because it forces you to think,"What do I really believe in?" And then "What are the examples? What are the provoking incidents in my life that helped teach me that?" The biggest one is what it says right here "getting cut and rejected 11 times by 8 teams and teaching how you can get used to almost anything." My father was a reconnaissance pilot. I had this dream that if I didn't make it in the NFL, I would have been flying an A-10 Warthog, which is the only plane somebody 6' 4" could fit in... A Dallas Cowboys player, I can't think of his name right now, did that and Desert Storm well and they wiped out the tanks in the Iraqi army very quickly. And I dreamed that that would be what I'd do if I didn't make it. But it was teaching me how to create my own office. And so I think that's so important because psychologically, if we haven't made ourselves impregnable to doubt, to criticism, to unbelievably unfair criticism, to distraction, then we're never going to get consistent results. And obviously, you can make 2 million field goals in a row on the sidelines or in practice. But then that little voice is going,"You know, you may have made 2 million in a row, Nick, but you missed this one. Nobody will care." So that's also a wonderful insight into society today, because anybody that's trying to do anything on each side of the political aisle, or just trying to do good things, are subject to amazingly unfair criticism. But that's part of what you sign up for. You sign up for criticism, knowing that God's put you here for a reason. And you have, to me, the authentic connection with your... Your gifts. And the harder you keep fighting and the more you fight and climb up that what I call a "tree of legacy". Each time you get back up, you're a little bit higher branch, you see a little bit more. You attract the right people in your life and it becomes self-fulfilling. You start noticing better people in my life, like Mike Lindstrom.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah. Appreciate that.

Nick Lowery:

You know this guy. I will say, really use that a lot now. People that show up and are consistent. Mike's not a different person one day and a different person the next day. And you look for that. So...

Mike Lindstrom:

Appreciate that, bud.

Nick Lowery:

The book's about persistence... It's also about legacy... It's also about purpose... And it's also about leadership. I mean, leadership today, we have the worst leadership in general in the political system. And I'm not talking about our President. I'm not. I'm just talking about leadership that really wants to get things done. And we have to raise the bar to make change that we... we NEED that brings people together. So, the last "C" word... there's "Consistency"... is "Connection". I think we talked about this in our last one too, because if you've made it to the top of that legacy tree and you're like,"Wow, isn't this great?" If you have no connection with your family and your friends, it's amazingly empty. It's achingly empty. So that is something we've got to do is do that homework."Who am I going to share my success with?" And that's where the juice is.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah. That's great. I gotta... I gotta ask cover, I love it. Yeah. People have been asking me,"What game was that?" "What kick was that?""Where's this come from?" You tell us the story behind this...

Nick Lowery:

Well, that's my...

Mike Lindstrom:

...great picture.

Nick Lowery:

Bryan Barker. And we're playing the Raiders 25 degrees. But it's icy rain. And Bill Walsh, the Hall of Fame coach, was doing the announcing with Dick Enberg, who was also a wonderful Hall of Fame-caliber announcer. And somebody sent me the video of the game afterwards because the game ended up being 9 to 7. But the key field goal in many ways was the first one. It was a 48-yard field goal into the wind, and it was a lot of wind and it was raining. And so that's why I wore that thing, because I like to not be...

Scott Leese:

That's a big rain jacket he's got on.

Nick Lowery:

I like to not be cold, into this big wind, unpredictable wind, like the golfers have to deal with.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

That separates the men from the boys. And Bill Walsh said, "That was the greatest field goal I may have ever seen."

Mike Lindstrom:

Wow.

Nick Lowery:

And then we ended up being great on defense. We shut down these guys. They only scored seven points and with about four minutes left, I had a 40 yard field goal to put us ahead. But I have a story. Can I tell a story about that game?

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

So this is how intensely, the great players... Marcus Allen, Joe Montana, who I got to play with and Deron Cherry... Magic happens. So, Deron Cherry had been missing / injured for several weeks. And he had a dream the night before this game. And he told Kevin Porter, our safety, #27, that he dreamed that in his first play in, he was going to hit a guy named Bo Jackson, who is one of the great athletes of all time... and I wished he hadn't got injured because he was really just unbelievably amazing and of course, played for the Royals, who we're going to see. And so, Deron goes in after that field goal and I kick off. And on the first play he... He just leverages... I watched this a couple times... his helmet RIGHT into the chest of Bo Jackson. And the ball pops straight up in the air and we get the ball. It's just amazing. So, as he's running off the field, Kevin Porter looks at him like he saw a ghost. Like, "Oh my God dude!"

Scott Leese:

Like, "what just happened?".

Nick Lowery:

EXACTLY what he saw in his dream happened the And I think that in versions of that can happen for all of us, when we really believe in what we're doing, when we've aligned our values, our purposes. And we shut out with that personal spiritual office, if you will. Magic happens, supernatural things happen.

Mike Lindstrom:

So, you didn't get credit for the win? You

Nick Lowery:

Yeah.

Scott Leese:

Well, that you got a game ball at least,

Nick Lowery:

I got a game ball.

Scott Leese:

Okay.

Nick Lowery:

But they only count if it's in the last two And... And so there are a lot of games like that. You know, I probably was about 40 games where I kicked the decisive points. Like when we beat the Denver Broncos on Monday Night, Joe Montana's first game on national TV on Monday Night. And Huey Lewis is standing next to my net. And I kicked five field goals. We're up 15 nothing till 30s left and they finally score a touchdown. But we beat them 15 to 7. So is that a game winning field goal? I don't know. I'm just proud that I could always be dependable. So, in the end that's the value is when you hear leaders, one thing they'll always say is "Show up. Leaders and achievers show up." And...

Scott Leese:

Heard that earlier.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

And then and come up,

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

So that's the greatest gift of all is feeling

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah. You know what blows my mind when I've podcast where we've hung out or had lunch or had lunch at his house a couple weeks ago, how these guys, these athletes, golfers too, they can recall, shit.

Scott Leese:

Oh. The recall is incredible.

Mike Lindstrom:

Dude's like, "Oh yeah, The score was 15 to 5. Oh, by the way, that guy was #27." How do you do that? Is it just because you were in the moment and you just... It's just all relived all over again? The fact that you can...

Nick Lowery:

We are learning with AI accelerating how much science and that memory when it is an intense event, lots of emotion, and importance, and maybe fear.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah,

Nick Lowery:

Maybe doubt all of those emotions mixed in You better-- damn right you're going to remember those details! I've got, can I tell you another one?

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

So Tim Barnett who is a wide receiver for us,#84. He...

Scott Leese:

Even remembering jersey numbers is

Mike Lindstrom:

The stuff blows my mind.

Nick Lowery:

his locker was next to mine...

Scott Leese:

We're talking 30 years ago,

Nick Lowery:

And we're driving... we were down 24 to 10. Keith Cash blocked a punt by Mark Royals, which Bill Cowher, our former defensive coordinator, the head coach and future Hall of Fame coach for Pittsburgh, were not happy about it. Now we're back in the game, but it's still 24 to 17. And Joe leads us right down and on fourth down, like the catch with Dwight Clark. He runs out to his right and he finds Tim Barnett on fourth down. If he drops it game's over. We're done. And he catches it on his knees in the middle of the end zone. Boom. Kick the extra point. We go to overtime. Somebody you know kicked the game winning field goal thank God, because they got me in position. A guy named Marcus Allen and J.J. Burton and Keith Cash and, you know, Joe Montana. But after the game, I said to Tim Barnett, who was on the flaky side, but a really nice guy, I said, Tim, that was awesome, man. Fourth down. That's a lot of pressure. And he looked at me. He goes... (gesturing) "THAT was fourth down?!?" (laughing) So I have a feeling it's GOOD that he did NOT know it was fourth down.

Scott Leese:

That's funny!

Mike Lindstrom:

How do you not know that?! You're in the give me a break. Everyone... everyone in the stadium, 80,000 people know that, right?

Nick Lowery:

Yeah.

Mike Lindstrom:

That's crazy. So tell us a little bit about plug this, man. This is this coming weekend.

Nick Lowery:

Yes.

Mike Lindstrom:

Tell us about this.

Nick Lowery:

So it's the book launch for this book at The which is on the Plaza, one of the most famous sports bars in Kansas City. My jerseys on the wall, along with, of course, Travis Kelce and Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith and a guy named Patrick Mahomes. And I'm honored to be on that wall, too. And that's Saturday. And then we're going to go to the (Kansas City) Royals game.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

Courtesy of JJ Piccolo-

Mike Lindstrom:

I love it.

Nick Lowery:

And then the next day, backs in NFL history, has a foundation for youth. And it helps local youth that are poor and also Nigerian youth. And he's doing a roast of yours truly, which he does every year. And I happen to be the target.

Scott Leese:

This is the first time you've been the

Nick Lowery:

This is the first time. And I'm like, I don't need 20 million, but.

Scott Leese:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

Could you loan me like... Tom Brady was paid and I'm like, "I could probably suck it up a little bit more if I got just one..."

Scott Leese:

(Laughing)

Nick Lowery:

"...One, 1 million. Just a little bit.

Mike Lindstrom:

So you don't know what's being said? All fairness, you have no clue. I know I'm going to be one of the guys roasting you and I'm not giving you my notes.

Nick Lowery:

No.

Mike Lindstrom:

No way.

Scott Leese:

I don't think you want to know.

Mike Lindstrom:

No. You gotta take it...

Nick Lowery:

I'm gonna feel like Saint Sebastian, afterwards. But Congressman Emanuel Cleaver will be there, and he has got a lot of Richard Pryor in him. He's really funny.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah

Nick Lowery:

He's a reverend and he's a legend because he They named a boulevard after him, and he's become a really good friend. And... Again, Democrat, I don't care what your party is. Do I love you as a person? Do you have some ethical standards that you live by? And he said, "Take them to a couple Chiefs games." They've been in our El Bandido Yankee Tequila Suite (132B at the stadium, by the way).

Mike Lindstrom:

(laughing)

Nick Lowery:

And he right off the bat said, I know he's going to be there.

Mike Lindstrom:

Wow.

Nick Lowery:

And I'm just going to have to say some

Mike Lindstrom:

Are you nervous?

Nick Lowery:

Uh...

Scott Leese:

It's OK to say yes.

Nick Lowery:

I am not nervous. Now,

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah,

Nick Lowery:

Absolutely.

Scott Leese:

Yeah.

Mike Lindstrom:

Do you know... because I don't know this yet stage next to people that are roasting you, or do they?

Nick Lowery:

I think I'm in a chair to the side...

Mike Lindstrom:

Ok

Nick Lowery:

...on the stage. Yeah. I mean.

Mike Lindstrom:

So, the spotlight's on you man.

Scott Leese:

He'll over here, you'll be there.

Nick Lowery:

I was a single guy, you know for a long time. I still am,

Mike Lindstrom:

Uh-huh.

Nick Lowery:

And I'm not dumb. I'm sure there'll be a few But you know what? As an athlete doing well, I was blessed and had a chance to meet people.

Mike Lindstrom:

Meet people.

Nick Lowery:

Yeah,

Mike Lindstrom:

I'm not... You're not getting nothing out of

Scott Leese:

You're not going to go there. You're not

Mike Lindstrom:

I promise you, I'll keep it classy, to go super R-rated, but I'm going to keep it classy. But I'm excited. And by the way.

Nick Lowery:

I'm sure there'll be a few that will do the

Mike Lindstrom:

Sure I'm... but it's an honor to do it. When you asked me to do it,

Nick Lowery:

Thank you.

Mike Lindstrom:

I thought, man, just to be able to come in your family, your family, Chiefs Nation, man! We're talking about the kingdom, baby!

Nick Lowery:

These are moments too, it's just so clear to me when I go to the event we had at the Scottsdale Resort and Spa. Yeah, there are a lot of places there that like the social boardroom and the speakeasy that are places for moments. If you being roasted by your fellow Chiefs, Hall of Famers isn't a moment.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

And you got to feel grateful for that,

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah. No it's good. So tell us some of the

Nick Lowery:

Grateful as I go to the therapist and, work on myself as well.

Scott Leese:

(laughing)

Mike Lindstrom:

Tell us some of the media you've done and do you've been doing... (unintelligible)

Nick Lowery:

I have an interview with my friend Mick NBC, and I'm doing one with John Holt, who's been an anchor for Fox there. I did one yesterday on Fox Live Now with Andy Mack, because I want this to be a book not just about Kansas City, but about how we all find meaning and purpose in our lives and how we learn to focus on the stuff that matters and bring us together. You know, that connection thing. We need people to just say, that's really important right now. You know, so much divisiveness. So I'm really excited. And who else? I've got Len Jennings, who's the anchor for ABC9. So that's going to be on tomorrow I think might be today... And oh it's tonight at 10 o'clock.

Scott Leese:

What have you.. what have you learned about book...

Mike Lindstrom:

That's a good question.

Scott Leese:

...that you didn't know before? What are you

Nick Lowery:

You know, first of all, Scott Passmore and and Richard Seinz and the different people here wanted to cover it. Cameron from Channel 12, Cameron Cox... All those people. It means a lot to me. And what you learn is I kind of feel like General Rommel. You want your Panzer tanks and you want Blitzkrieg. You want to really make sure one interview is not enough. Two interviews. You want people to know about it. You want to portray different parts of the book. If people don't know what's in it for them, if they don't understand what they're going to get out of it, why are they going to buy the book? And to me, the most important symbol, by the way,

and message is:

"It's not your normal sports book." I mean, I talk about Arnold Toynbee, who was probably the greatest historian of the of the 20th century, was the mentor to my father as a Fulbright Scholar and the very first group of Fulbright Scholars, and then Justice Byron White next door and all these incredible role models. I mean, who can say that coming back from Germany after four years in Europe to England, we stayed in Arnold Toynbee's flat, the greatest historian of the 20th century, THE NIGHT of the moon landing.

Mike Lindstrom:

Wow. Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

Greatest historian, arguably one of the And so growing up with Kennedys at our school, Michael and David at Potomac and George W. Bush and his son Neil and and Marvin at Saint Albans. And you you're raised to say, you know, let me paraphrase it from today's nomenclature, which is "People are privileged. People are entitled." Well, if you are, which I was, not with money but with an opportunity to meet great people, do something with it, do something with it. And, and so I really feel I've been lucky enough to get to know RFK Jr and Doctor Oz and what RFK Jr. went through losing both his uncle and his father subsequently. And yet to have this flame of desire to serve this country and bring out the best and do the hard work because, you know, entrenched power is the hardest thing. In fact, it's dangerous.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yes it is.

Nick Lowery:

As we've seen. And so, worked for four presidents for (George) W. Bush as chairman of the National Fund for American Indian Education... For Clinton, helping launch AmeriCorps. There was always about thinking through "How do you raise the blood flow and the musculature, the structure of volunteering and service?" So, it's not just soldiers that can serve their country, but people that for two years, they can develop relationships with gangbangers and with drug lords and convince them that maybe they can do more to help their community. I mean, that's that's serious stuff.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

And then the Points of Light Foundation for Bush, who was incredibly accessible. I mean, how... How many people can say they worked in the white House three off seasons and then W Bush nominated me for this American Indian Education Foundation, which was subsequent to ANOTHER program called Native Vision, which is now in its 30th year. It's a mentoring program for native youth. We started in Arizona and Chinle on the Navajo reservation. So every one of those things, I'm a serial social entrepreneur. Every one of those has lasted for a generation or more. We just celebrated our 20th year...

Mike Lindstrom:

I was going to say, I wanted you to talk

Nick Lowery:

...of Champions for the Homeless.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

And I wear this every day. If you get a close up on that. Yeah. It was given to me by Danny Clark from the Navajo Reservation from Shiprock. He was a big Chiefs fan. He asked me to sign a poster and I said,"Of course." And then a week later he said,"I want to make something for Nick. What's his wrist size?" Left a message. And then he made this. And I've come to look at this as the symbol of, when you make a commitment to stay with something for 20 years, you can do a more meaningful contribution to wiping out, to erasing generational curses where people and cultures are stuck in it, and you do your little part. That helps people see a little bit more light, a little bit more hope, a little bit more confidence. And I'm, I'm passionate about that. And I think the more you do that, the better you get at it. It is an absolutely beautiful gift that God gives us when we're doing things that really are selfless. And that doesn't mean that we don't love getting things out of it too. But it's always empty if it isn't intentionally about the 1 or 2 people every day that you know you're helping.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah. You know what's weird? I've mentioned out, and I'm curious if we still can figure this out, how many people that you reference in the book individually, because these are real stories. A lot of times authors or people put a name in the book like name dropping,

Nick Lowery:

Right.

Mike Lindstrom:

And that's not your book. Your book is telling a story...

Nick Lowery:

Right.

Mike Lindstrom:

...about your parents who, they're real. And I'm only when I was only. I've read the book now, but I was a third of the way through the book and I'm like, wow, this is a crazy story. You're falling, falling, falling. How many names were in there in history? You've already named a bunch, the President, Hoynbee...

Nick Lowery:

I got another one for you.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah,

Nick Lowery:

My middle name is Gerald. And name drop my uncle Gerald Bray, my mother's brother, was all India rugby. He was sent by his father to India right after World War 2... World War 1, sorry. And he became very close with Air Marshal Lord Tedder, who was the Viceroy of India when India was a protectorate of the British Empire. And Air Marshal Lord Tedder was the Head of European Forces under Dwight Eisenhower. I mean, just all these amazing connections... We take for granted that we won World War Two, let me tell you.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

So yeah, all those things. Muhammad Ali, did we talk about Muhammad Ali last time?

Mike Lindstrom:

A little bit. We didn't talk about it. It's a was one of my favorite parts of the book is the pictures. I mean, we, we've already talked about some of these amazing pictures. Your brother, some of the people that are in here. These are some historical images that are cool.

Nick Lowery:

There's some pretty cool stuff.

Mike Lindstrom:

And you have Mohamed Ali. It's great.

Nick Lowery:

Muhammad Ali just, you know, Moore and J.J. Picollo was the assistant GM, now he's the head GM for the Royals. And they did us right. So they had, you know, beautiful golf cart picking him up, giving him, giving him a Royals jersey with"Ali #1" on the back.

Mike Lindstrom:

It's great.

Nick Lowery:

And we come through the wall and everybody He's got his sunglasses on. Didn't matter. That's when you're famous.

Scott Leese:

(laughing)

Nick Lowery:

But there's only one Muhammad Ali. So I'm Muhammad Ali right next to me. And I've got George Brett, one of the greatest players of all time. I think he's underrated still. And then Wayne Gretzky right behind us.

Scott Leese:

Geez.

Nick Lowery:

The greatest hockey player arguably ever. So

Mike Lindstrom:

GOATS

Scott Leese:

A lot of sports talent in that section right

Nick Lowery:

But the really cool thing is to come back, just seeing these players and how much they venerated...

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah

Nick Lowery:

...understandably and deservedly Muhammad Ali courage not only as a fighter but as a true leader way beyond words. So now we're 100 yards from the white Range Rover that I drove him... Their (The Royals) Range Rover that drove him to the game with. And there was a crowd of about 15, 20 kids and 5 or 6 adults. And I'm like, because he's shaking, he's got his Parkinson's.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah. Of course.

Nick Lowery:

And as we got within about 30ft, his shaking STOPPED. And I've got pictures on my Facebook pages. Nick Lowery, 'NickTheKick' on Facebook... you can scroll down and see it. He's letting these kids sit on his lap like he's Santa Claus. And just with his angelic face, I'm thinking,"What an example." And Evander Holyfield, by the way, is a lot like that too. But Muhammad Ali, what an example of a pugilist, of a fighter, of a violent fighter, the greatest, I think ever. And he was all about love. And by the way, he's a Muslim and he was all about love and without any judgment of Christians, etc. except love, that that's the most important thing.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

And he was so clear on that that he could for 20 minutes.

Scott Leese:

Wow.

Mike Lindstrom:

That's special.

Nick Lowery:

And then to me, like, like that?

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

I mean, I already admired him,

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah. Wow. Well, that's what I've really It's not a story. It's everything, you know, life lessons, by the way, we haven't even talked about that. You have lessons in there, which I don't want to give away. But we're when you're going to be doing the media, I think bringing those home because I have had people. "Oh, that's another athlete book." No, no, no, no, no, this is different. This has got a long story to it. And there's lessons to be learned, whether you're a CEO, a historian or a teenager my boys.

Nick Lowery:

And mental health stuff too.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah, absolutely.

Nick Lowery:

A lot about mental health because in the end, how we manage, what we focus on because it's so easy to focus on the betrayal or the missed field goal, whatever the equivalent would would be and take yourself down that corridor that only has darker stuff...

Scott Leese:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

...coming with it, as opposed to you're growing.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

And you're getting better. And, Saint Vincent de Paul Shannon Clancy and before that, Steve Zabielski, Jerry Castro. I love to mention their names.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

Jennifer Morgan, Jessica Berg, all of these people, they're serving the homeless anonymously, essentially...

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah.

Nick Lowery:

...365 days a year.

Mike Lindstrom:

That's insane.

Nick Lowery:

With what the homeless... there's a doubling There's a big increase here with all the evictions.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah

Nick Lowery:

And those are my heroes.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yeah. That's great.

Nick Lowery:

They teach. They teach by just being.

Mike Lindstrom:

I love it, man. Well, tell us again about Sunday, the event. People may see this in Kansas City. They may want to come to the live event that's going to be at Harrah's, right?

Nick Lowery:

Harrah's Casino in the Voodoo Lounge.

Mike Lindstrom:

On Sunday.

Nick Lowery:

4:00 on next Sunday, the 26th. Yep. And he'll be here. Yep. (To Scott) I hope you'll come somehow. My boys will come visit you. (laughs) We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.

Mike Lindstrom:

The websites to get the book. Besides Amazon

Nick Lowery:

Just Google "Christian Okoye Nick Lowery Christian Okoye - OKOYE - Christian Okoye Foundation and it will be a blast. We've got Blaine Howard, who's a country singer who's going to perform. And we had CeeLo Green.

Mike Lindstrom:

That's awesome.

Nick Lowery:

Perform two years ago. I mean,

Mike Lindstrom:

I'm excited.

Nick Lowery:

Some real talent too. So it's not just a It's there's some entertainment too.

Mike Lindstrom:

Yep. And where do we get the book? What's the

Nick Lowery:

On Amazon. Just literally just go to Amazon. You can go to NickLoweryBook.com, but go to Amazon. It's two days delivery. It's 1995. I mean, we didn't want to overprice it.

Mike Lindstrom:

I love it, man. Well, on the media circuit. You came by us to see us at what's your story? We appreciate that.

Nick Lowery:

Yeah.

Mike Lindstrom:

Means a lot. So we're we're signing off. Mike Lindstrom. Scott Leese. Another episode in the can. Nick Lowery. Enjoy.