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Hello everybody, it's your boy Yogi in the house. This goes out to all my zipperheads, watermelon munchers, blue-haired feminist, and skinny light-eyed Karen. Disclaimer The Value Podcast is a space for raw, unfiltered conversation. Opinions shared are those over the speaker and don't reflect our podcast as a whole. We tackle bold controversial topics. So if you're easily offended, this may not be the best place for you, but the listener discretion is advised. That I didn't go to the freaking out of pocket like a pool. The Gold Coast Swim Week. That's the the with the the Naked Lies. I didn't go there. No, you didn't. I went to Empower Fit, but I didn't go to the fucking that one.
SPEAKER_01But you you did go to the opening of the Gold Coast Swim Week, which was the black tape event.
SPEAKER_05I wouldn't really call that an opening.
SPEAKER_01No, it was officially the one of the openings, I believe.
SPEAKER_05Nah, I wouldn't really call that an opening.
SPEAKER_01It was a part of the thing, bro.
SPEAKER_05It didn't get filmed.
SPEAKER_01None of them really got filmed, but it was a part of the thing. He was here for the thing.
SPEAKER_05You probably we probably don't want to bark up his tree, but I'm gonna do it anyway, because you've got me talking about it.
SPEAKER_01No, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Not yet. Not yet. Save the barks. No, I'll save the barks.
SPEAKER_05I'm gonna come out and say it.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, just wait. Just wait. Let's intro the show. Alright, alright, alright. Alright. Let's intro the show. Just take it easy. Alright. Wokimosabi. Hey man. Welcome to the Value Podcast. You know what we need?
SPEAKER_05What do we need? What's those? Do you know when you walk into your favorite Asian shop or your favorite dumpling store? And they say like that Asian intro. Like they they welcome you in, like the Asian welcome.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it's like Hamatana. Yeah, we need some shit like that going. That'd be fire. Yeah, we should get someone to translate something like that for us. In the meantime, we'll just say welcome to the Value Podcast. I'm gonna humble purchase a ton of things. And I got the man with me that does the most. What what? In the building, on the ones and twos. Yeah, in the house. Hey man, can I just say it's nice to have you in the house? What? Like, and not over the phone? I mean, not in any way. Like, so the last few parts, we've been we've been in studio, we've been on location, we've been we've been on a road. This is the first time we've been in the house in a while.
SPEAKER_05It's like, you know why though? You're not putting on that same face because you're not in front of a client. Maybe.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. And my road? Maybe. I think it's just it's it's just all a different vibe, right? Not that could be part of it though.
SPEAKER_05Yes, you're you don't like I'm not sitting here, I don't have to sit here and stress about whether I'm fucking yawning or not. Okay. That's a point. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01If you yawn, I'm still gonna I'm still gonna clown you.
SPEAKER_05Well, for sure. Yeah. But like it's like there's less, there's less um opportunity for yawning. Nah, there's less opportunity for awkwardness or tension because we've done it so many times before.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Hey, you you I don't know if you know this. I know. You know, maybe we all know. Um firstly, congrats to us. We're on net we're we're now on multiple platforms streaming. Oh yeah. The value podcast.
SPEAKER_05That's a pretty big announcement. Huge. We just signed up to BuzzSprout, so you can now listen to us on. Do we have the list? Uh yeah, so we have Apple Music, Apple Music's iHeartRadio, iHeartRadio, Spotify, YouTube. Yep.
SPEAKER_01Does it go to YouTube? Yes, we're on YouTube now, just officially. I got that done on Saturday.
SPEAKER_07Woo!
SPEAKER_01That's awesome. And about three other small ones. Do we have control over the channels? I believe we do. Okay. So whatever we put on Buzz what's it called again? Buzz Sprout. Buzz Sprout? Yeah. Whatever we put on there, it automatically uploads to the other one. Any updates, any changes, it automatically uploads to all of the uh platforms. So shout out to Buzz Sprout, man. Better better stream quality too. Yeah, and uh don't forget to donate. We need your donations. So check us out. Buzz Sprout, the value podcast. It is going down, man. Leveling up is 2026, another level up, man.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's what's happened here.
SPEAKER_05Um but honest, honestly, there might be some exposing in this episode. You know that if we're talking about the events.
SPEAKER_01Hey man, it is what it is. But before we get there, I just want to also say, getting back to my point of bringing up the buzz brought. Yeah. We are less than 20 episodes away from episode 100.
SPEAKER_05I thought we already hit 100 episodes on Spotify.
SPEAKER_08No.
SPEAKER_05We're close. You had to count them all. We're close. Damn, I thought we'd done way more than that. Not there yet. I thought we were in like the 150s by this point. No, no. You know, we did take some time off. We we used to, what we used to do when we started, which is pretty funny. We celebrated. I remember we celebrated our first 10 episodes, we celebrated our first 20 episodes, and we celebrated our first 30 episodes, and then it got to like 40 or 50.
SPEAKER_01We lost track.
SPEAKER_05We lost track and just stopped stopped celebrating.
SPEAKER_01Hey, but look, celebrations are coming back. We are rolling and we're full of steam. It's gonna be great.
SPEAKER_05We've done what I'm pretty hip proud of. We tripled our workload in the last like eight months-ish.
SPEAKER_01Shout out to Cray Jay and the Value Podcast in LA, man. They've been holding it down.
SPEAKER_05I have been. They've been doing pods while we've been doing events.
SPEAKER_01They've been doing a lot of pods, which is why our numbers are getting close to that hundred mark. But um, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_05Without that, we would be down like probably about 60 or 70.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for sure. Um, six, seven. Oh, I get it. I get it, I got it. Yeah, the six seven.
SPEAKER_05It's horrible. Why is that why is that a thing?
SPEAKER_01Because everything's a thing now.
SPEAKER_05You could do a whole episode just talking about it. Six sevens, and you probably still wouldn't get to the bottom of it. Eight, nine. Yeah. It's all bad. Um we did we've locked down an event every single month since like November last year? September last year. I was gonna say, uh, probably September, November, December, January, February, and then February we did two events, and then in March, oh no, we didn't do we only did one event. We were gonna do two events in February. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01We kind of yeah, we kind of false started on the second February of the year.
SPEAKER_05The the DJs they cancelled. So they technically got free media from us.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man, but then I guess we got shout out for to Major League DJs. They came all the way from South Africa to perform here in Australia. And uh, you know what? It they didn't necessarily cancel on this. It was time frames that didn't align, and it is what it is. Some scheduling issues, but um, hey, they'll be back.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, they'll be back. And the event people.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, things are looking great with them. I want to work with them. There's gonna be more events coming soon, man. It's gonna be fun. Actually, we'll have to get Tom from the events crew on, man. Yeah, um, yeah, Nauticare events. We'll we'll definitely uh link up with him soon and get a little bit more. Link up into a pod. Yeah. He's actually based in New South Wales, but we'll get him on Riverside or something like that.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_01Oh, actually, no, he comes he comes to the coast quite often. Believe it or not, he's a DJ.
SPEAKER_05There you go.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_05So yeah. Maybe he can do a live set on the pod. Hey, you never know. You would keep look like honestly. We I think we can do that now.
SPEAKER_01We can go to one of his shows. He spends like often at elsewhere barring Gold Coast.
SPEAKER_04There you go.
SPEAKER_01So Yeah, there's some options for sure. That's dope. Um the other thing I was gonna mention is like you mentioned like every month doing an event. To be honest, it goes all the way back to July. I think that was when we started our first event.
SPEAKER_05What event was that?
SPEAKER_01That was the uh test event, the test stream that we did. And uh that was at the uh studio.
SPEAKER_05I thought that was in September. I don't know, I thought it was in July. No, because I have the dates for the music that we played. Okay. And the date was like it was for the 30th, and I'm pretty sure it was the 30th of September. Really? Or August or something like that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, maybe it was in August. Maybe it was in August. Yeah. Maybe I'm a little bit ahead of myself. I think it was August, like mid-August.
SPEAKER_05So we tripled the workload, we crunched the numbers, we started doing events, and we now we had like the last one we did, we had like what? How many people showed up, you reckon?
SPEAKER_01What to our last event?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That was a Valentine's Day event?
SPEAKER_04We ended up selling like six uh nah.
SPEAKER_01I can't even remember. For Valentine's Day, I think we were close to about 80 tickets. 80 tickets, that's not bad. It was a good amount of people for what we had planned to do, right? Yeah. Do you want to go through some of that stuff? What did we get into with?
SPEAKER_05We did party games. So we ran Valentine's party games. Um, we had a list of them, and then before we had it in some specific order beforehand, but the night before we re recalculated it and we put it in the order of what's going to break the ice first, and then instead of speed dating or right off the bat, we speed dated at the at the as the last game that was played, and then it seemed like everybody had much better time doing it that way.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, because they said or they felt as if the uh the ice was broken with all those other games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got everybody heller involved beforehand. And by the time we got to the speed dating, everybody was just mingled and jailed together. They had already shared laughs and good times and obviously lots of drinks. Shout out to Easy for uh providing the drinks.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Hopefully you can make it to this next one.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they the event that event was awesome. I had a lot of people come up to me and say how much fun they had. Yeah. Um particularly a couple of elderly ladies once personally thanked me.
SPEAKER_05That was that was what surprised me the most is when you saw a bunch of young people rocking up, and then there was like 50, 60-year-old, 70 year old grannies rocking up.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was a couple of them. They were looking for people to cut their grass though. Yeah, for sure. I talked to them about it. They damn. Yeah, it was a cash and hand job, so it worked out well for me. Um fuck. Yeah, man. But it was it was a wild night, man. I think a lot I think there were some people that hooked up as well. I think there's a few people that we know that may have scored.
SPEAKER_05May have scored, may have shot, shot and scored. Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_00It was looking it was a good thing.
SPEAKER_05A couple numbers got passed around. Yeah, yeah. Oh man, like I don't know. Do we do we count Aussie Day? Absolutely. We still we still had a whole bunch of stuff, but it's a national holiday, my man. We couldn't live stream it, that was the problem. It was a bit of a disappointment. You can't like sometimes when you're doing this stuff, right? It's crazy because you do run into problems, you do run into stuff. It's not all happy days perfect 100% of the time. The elements in the field, right? It's not all sunshine and rainbows when you're when you're trying to do something or pull something off. And that day it rained. So imagine that.
SPEAKER_01Storming, pretty sure cloudy, cloudy.
SPEAKER_05Fucking storming, right? Well, the chance of meatballs. Oh no, there was no meatballs. Uh definitely no cheese. No, it wasn't any cheese. Well, Brad. Yeah. The cheese was debatable.
SPEAKER_01Brad, we had Brad there. Shout out to Brad the firebender. He's cool. He made that event that night, too, that Aussie David.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah, for sure. Without him, we would have had nothing. Well, that and then the bull.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, oh yeah. But that showed up late.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah. So and that's why you organize kiddos. Yeah. Because if you don't, if you don't have a good plan and you don't communicate between your staff and your team and sort everything out and make sure everything is going before like weeks beforehand, it just doesn't roll.
SPEAKER_01Look. But still, we had fun. One of the cool things though, for that event, we probably had close to about 200 people. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05Organic crowd. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Organic crowd is pretty solid too.
SPEAKER_01Hey, I'm just full of shout-outs, but shout out to the henchmen.
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah. Henchman? Man. And we got another one coming. Another one coming up. The Leprechaun Party, St. Patrick's Day. St. Paddy's Day, man. St. Paddy's Day.
SPEAKER_01It's gonna be great. Uh March 14th. March 14th. Yeah, man. Should be a good time.
SPEAKER_05That's like almost a week away. Yeah. Coming fast. So we'll probably have to get that one done.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man. A lot of stuff to do. About 10 days away. Or less. Yeah. Depending on where you hear this. Yeah. Depending on what we release this. Yeah. Um, a lot of stuff to do, man. Good times. Um, New Year's Eve. We're just going backwards right now.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I think that's a better idea. I can I can remember it in that order. But how was New Year's? That was fucking crazy. Yogi did his first gig. Yogi Bear. Um, first actual music performance. That was pretty dope. And then we had like on-cycle DJs the entire night. We had a whole bunch of drinking games outside going on. Everybody was just having a ball. It was wild. That was crazy. I had to go home early. Yeah, you didn't even get to experience the full the full threat of it, right?
SPEAKER_01Why'd you have to go home early?
SPEAKER_05Work. Oh yeah. Everybody kept pulling me a pussy. The old ball and chain. Telling me, no. But dude, like I'm glad I went home. That was the hardest day I've ever worked in my life. Really? New Year's Day, yeah. Crazy. Just non-stop, like cooking for like six hours straight.
SPEAKER_01Right. Why is that? Because you guys are leaving people open or what?
SPEAKER_05It's just the rush is just like people trying to celebrate on New Year's Day. Only cafe, I guess, open, and then a whole bunch of people coming around asking for food and and and drinks. You just gotta and the quantity of people to the output. Like we can do it, and we did it successfully with no problems, but a couple problems, but not many. It's um you don't get any break times in cafes because there's no service stopping, service just goes all day. Right. And if you're a popular cafe, then it gets pretty hectic. Wow.
SPEAKER_01We are we were a popular cafe. So when you say like you worked your hardest, how many meals do you think you would have made that day? At least over like 300, 400, probably. 400 meals in six hours? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, it's outrageous.
SPEAKER_05We had like no no food left. Really? Yeah. And it was on a Thursday, I'm pretty sure. Was that day?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I want to say, yeah, New Year's was a third day. New Year's Day was a Thursday. New Year's Day was a Thursday.
SPEAKER_05We normally spent our time we normally we used to spend our time prepping for the weekend, being our busiest day from Monday. Right. So then we had to do when you think about it, you're then you're prepping for basically a double weekend day, like a double busy Saturday on on the New Year's Day, and then you're prepping for a busy weekend as well. Wow. And that was smack bang in the middle of the holidays, too. Right. Which means we were already busy as it is, right? Doing like Christmas and New Year's three, four thousand dollars every single day. Goodness gracious. Which is what we would normally output on a Saturday in outside of holidays.
SPEAKER_01Wow, so you guys made a killing.
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah. Yeah, very, very big killing.
SPEAKER_04Nice.
SPEAKER_02Damn near kills you, all that uh cooking. Nah, we're still we're still we're still here. Okay. That's good. Still doing it. Doing it big, huh?
SPEAKER_05And that's just the the ball the the ball game, really. That's what when you do the work, the high quantity work.
SPEAKER_01So after, or I should say before that event, New Year's, we did a couple of other cool events. Um we had we participated in uh Go Swim Week. We participated not in any particular order, but I'm just rambling these off. Go-Co Swim Week, the Empower Fit Experience, as well as the Million Women Movement event. Yeah. And um out of those three, you participated in one of those. Oh, also the red the black tape event.
SPEAKER_05We don't I'm not counting that as a value podcast event.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_05I'm counting that as I catered to a private party.
SPEAKER_01You catered to a well, so you were involved and you wore your uh value podcast shirt.
SPEAKER_05No. Apron? No, didn't advertise it there at all.
SPEAKER_01I thought you I thought the I brought the apron for you to wear.
SPEAKER_05No, I know. I I wore them at I wore that at the the EmpowerFit. The Empower Fit experience. Right? That was fine. I was fine to advertise it there. But at the the black tape event, no, definitely not. Tell us why. So that was a private dinner party with um about 40 supermodels. Supermodels? The title of the party is called Nothing But Heels. Nothing but Heels. And the You guess you guess the theme, it's there's a bunch of supermodels wearing nothing but heels. So naked. Yeah, just running around. Interesting. And so what you said at the start of this episode was that that's that was the intro for the GoCo Swim Week.
SPEAKER_01Quote unquote, that's what they advised me. Yes. That was a part of the person the person that ran that event, some designer, I don't know his name, he flew in from Miami. Yeah, and that was the headliner to kick off one of the headliners to kick off Goku Swim Week.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_05And so they do he does the work for Miami Swim Week as well.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_05Right. Yes. Yeah. In Miami flew in the US. Not gonna call any names because I know them all. Every single person, so I was pretty mortified by that whole thing because every single one of those girls that was at that party, not gonna call them supermodels at all. Okay. What are we gonna call them? They were only fans chicks.
SPEAKER_01Only fans?
SPEAKER_05Yes.
SPEAKER_01They weren't only friends, they were only fans.
SPEAKER_05No, no, no, only fans.
SPEAKER_01Only fans, okay.
SPEAKER_05There was a moment where they were sitting around the table comparing their body counts.
SPEAKER_01Body counts. So they were actual killers, they kill people.
SPEAKER_05It was in the 70s, some of them were in the 80s, some of them were in the hundreds. Disgusting, right? When you say body counts, like amount of people they've had sex with. My god.
SPEAKER_01And their numbers were what?
SPEAKER_05Crazy. All of them above 50 at least. Right.
SPEAKER_01That seems kind of low, but I some of them were like way up there, way, way, way up there.
SPEAKER_05You probably gotta multiply it by two or three. But yeah, that makes sense. And it was like something they were proud of. Something they were like happy with.
SPEAKER_01They were comparing as if they were like, hey, I got more than than you.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And so How did that make you feel? Horrified. Why? Because originally I thought I was like, yeah, this is so cool, I get to cook food for a bunch of naked models. Bro, they are models. There's hoes. There's no there's like there's no formidable amount of value inside of that, you know? There's just a bunch of chicks who have bad relationships with their father. That's terrible, man. And then so if that's the shout out to the good fathers. If that's the intro or build-up or queue or pre-party for Goku Swim Week, and they're all the chicks that are going onto Goku Swim Week, how can you then go go sit there and call that modeling? When you're advertising your kitty or your frickin' tits on the internet and selling that off to degenerate people who'll then sit there and watch it and become addicted to that.
SPEAKER_01Look, that's technically modeling, just in another form. Another form. But yeah, like it's more of a X-rated form of modeling. Like how would you feel compared to modeling?
SPEAKER_05How would you feel if you had like a 20-year-old daughter that was doing that?
SPEAKER_01Oh, I mean, that's a whole nother conversation.
SPEAKER_05You know what I mean? Yeah. As a father, right?
SPEAKER_01It's awful. But like you said, these clearly were individuals who didn't have good relationships with their fathers, which is why they were probably doing half the things they were doing.
SPEAKER_03Call it a stereotype. Yeah. Very sad, very true stereotype.
SPEAKER_01That's um I would say shocking, but at the same time, no. Because um I don't know. I feel like I would know women or have met women that would have had those high body counts and not have been only fan models.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, right, but still like done the same sort of acts. Yeah, just didn't sell the the not the sell their bodies part.
SPEAKER_01Right, just didn't put it like out there on the internet per se, but like they would still have potentially high numbers.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but the th the thing is, right, about it is that there's a huge thing links to it, and that's that you have this market that's and what it's Targeting and what it profits from, and then you have the I guess double standard inside of it, which is that these girls think that it's derogatory when they're treated how they're acting. Interesting. Right?
SPEAKER_01I I think I kind of understand what you're saying, right? It's like um you see, you know, you're running out of a building and it's on fire. You run into someone and you're like, hey, help me put out this fire, and they look at you like, hey, do I look like a fireman? No, get away from me. Yeah. Right? Um, or you do run into a fireman and like, hey, can you help me with this fire? And like, hey, you think just because I have a fireman outfit on, I could just put out of any fire?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Right? So I guess you put that same onus on them in terms of, well, hey, you are walking around naked, and you are talking about the multiple men that you slept with, so why are you being why are you upset and offended when we are labeling you, quote unquote, the B's and the C's and all the other words, right? Yeah, how you can't be angry, right? When you're called and acting like a exactly. I get that. I get that. Because that's a double standard, and that's what we're living in right now. Yeah. Whose fault is it though?
SPEAKER_05Seems to be a lot of it going around, but I guess like okay, then so if you're looking at faults, you have to look at what group of people changed the old ideology of feminism to what it is today. Right. And I don't know if it is male. It might be male. Because I guess if you look back into religion, where the people, where guys are supposed to men are supposed to be the ones that provide the guidance to the females. So somewhere along the line, we've provided the wrong guidance, or some sort of m uh a couple of males have got thought, wow, we can make a big market off of this and get filthy rich. Forgetting about the fact that like it's cardinal sin at the end of the day, and then society sees it, captures it, uses it, and deteriorates from it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I can fact check it and see, and like see, and try and backdate and see what changed about feminism over the last I guess hundred years. Because it's not pro-women anymore. You know what I mean? It's kind of turned into pro-profit, pro-money, pro what can I gain? Capitalism? Capitalism, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Potentially. I mean it it also kind of goes back to what I brought up and um our who was that with? We did a pod with, I think it was with Holly recently. Um oh no, I think it was with Brad. Yeah. With your pod with Brad. And we're talking about like just who is to blame for these industries, these OnlyFan industries, these night work, you know, sex workers, etc. And a part of it, like you say, you can blame it on the father, you can blame it on the actual person doing the acts, right? These women. But then you can also a part of that blame also goes to those participating and and funding those activities.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, because that's what creates the market for it.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. And if there's if there's if if there's no men buying and subscribing to OnlyFans accounts, then they wouldn't there wouldn't be a money market for that, and then there wouldn't be OnlyFans models.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Right? So it kind of goes across the board as to who is responsible and who has the control here.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So old age feminism, the time frame we're talking here is like late 1800s to 1980s, because that's kind of roughly when it switched. The core focus used to be legal equality and structural rights. The main goals were for give women rights to vote, property rights, access to education, equal pay, protection from workplace discrimination, reproductive rights, protection from domestic violence. Makes sense. Nobody should go around thinking that they can hit their woman. Nobody should go around thinking they should discriminate on somebody just because they are a woman. Not fair. That I can get down with, I can agree. Cultural context is because women were legally barred from many professions for a long time. They weren't allowed to open bank accounts without their husbands in many places, and there was clear structural inequality. Then you look at New Age feminism, which is the 1990s and onwards to what we know it as today. The core focus, cultural identity, and social narratives. So that's stuff like intersectionality, so race, sexual out sexuality, class combined with gender, body body positivity, sexual empowerment, critique of beauty standards, critique of patriarchy as a cultural system, online activism, social media influence. And that's where the problems arise.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's yeah, that's I think that's what magnified it even more so, is the movement and the different ch shifts in the balance or the lack of balance, right? Yeah. But but then also the how everything's been magnified with social media, and obviously just continues to intensify more and more every day, right? Yeah. Because we're constantly, well, the society is constantly fed social media and comparing themselves to what they see on their phones compared to reality. Yeah. And the people that are making the social media posts and reels or whatever, they're programmed to create that sense of false reality.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, they're putting out the unrealistic image. Right? They're only they're only showing the best of the best of whatever's happening at that moment, right?
SPEAKER_01They'll show them on a boat having a great time for 20 seconds, but yet they don't show the other, you know, 23 hours of their life where they could be absolutely miserable, poor living out of a cardboard box. If you looked into it, right? Yeah. Like that's the sides, again, you talk about who's responsible, it's a it's a two-way street. It's us for feeding ourselves that, but also the people that are creating it.
SPEAKER_05And it's gotten so bad to the point where it's a sense of cultural transformation, really. Right? It's everybody's trying to do that now that does social media or uses social media. Everybody wants to show off and everybody wants to get to the be the best and make themselves look better than everybody else. So they can stand out more to their fans.
SPEAKER_01I I won't blame the OnlyFan models. No?
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_05Well, and either am I. Well, I guess if if we are blaming somebody here, I know I am, I'm blaming new aged feminism. That's what it kind of falls back to. That's where it started from, that's where it derived from.
SPEAKER_01But I think that's something we also as men have created.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_01Because we feminism only started because they felt as if there was a lack of balance. And it was too many, too much um, I guess, inequality with men in you know powerful positions, etc. etc. Like corporate America and corpor in the corporate world. It was always the men. And so from that, it was like, okay, well, how do we get back at the lack of you know equality and thus motivation for alright, well, we'll have more female positions and so on and so forth. And now it's almost to the point where everything is based on putting nothing but women in higher positions.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's not the solution. No. The solution is balance.
SPEAKER_05Both both movements still contain reasonable thinkers, extreme outliers, media amplification, and misrepresentation. It's terrible. To a point. Um and then you can look at the scarier facts of it both is stuff like increasing uh a dec decline increasingly declining birth rate of children. Um, I'm just going off the top of my head here.
SPEAKER_01Uh increase in in decline. So that pretty much an increased decline of children being born. Right. So people are not having children as much as they should be.
SPEAKER_05Estrogen levels inside of newborn males skyrocketing, right? Testosterone dropping with all of this stuff that that is, I guess, the Gen A would have access to and then Gen Z has access to, and it's because of that.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_05Um and yet like just those two alone are pretty fucking, if you think about it, it's pretty scary. Are we gonna send ourselves extinct because we couldn't we didn't know when to pull the plug on sexualized activity and you know, profiting off of it?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, it's quite a shame, man. Um so getting back to that event, the black tape event, I think that's the name of it. Yeah, it was designed to showcase this um fashion artist's I guess style.
SPEAKER_05So I I'll just a quote him of what he said to me. Okay. Um but the whole ideology of it behind it is is to capture the beauty of a woman.
SPEAKER_01Did he was that all he said, or did he say more?
SPEAKER_05Well, those little bits, but that's like was kind of his whole vision of why he started. Because I asked him. By doing what? By I guess encouraging them, empowering them to be naked and I guess in a certain sense be free, or and that sort of deal.
SPEAKER_01So on paper, that sounds great. Right? That sounds excellent. Empowering women to feel beautiful within themselves. Yeah. That's fan that's fantastic. Yeah. However, how did he present that? With nudity specifically, how did he what did he do? What what were these women looking like and dressed as? What were they doing?
SPEAKER_05They were wearing nothing but high heels. They were running around doing a bunch of drugs, they were not eating any of the food. Um Yeah, I guess they were just sitting there empowering each other to keep whoring themselves off on the internet. That was the reality of it.
SPEAKER_01So in like there was no sense of any it didn't feel like there was beauty humility or beauty was inside of it at all.
SPEAKER_05For what it's portrayed to be.
SPEAKER_01Were there different body types? Did he have all shapes and sizes from what?
SPEAKER_05Nah, it was just like model level looking women. Right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I think that's the problem, right? Because obviously people can say something and then do something completely different, and I think that's probably where things kind of spiraled a bit.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, where yeah, it's nothing wrong with making or highlighting the beauty in a woman, but how how how that's done is a whole nother playing field. And if you're saying you're trying to highlight beauty in a woman, then um it's more than just them being naked showing their beauty, right? Yeah, because women are beautiful not just physically, but also spiritually and mentally, emotionally, yeah, intellectually, right? And if you're going to highlight that, then you should be using all of those wonderful things as well. I mean we we can all see a naked woman. That's easy. That's simple. I mean, this is 2026, 2025, 2026. You can easily see a naked woman. That that's not you know, a taboo now, that's not a mistake thing. So why not give the give us something that we can't see normally?
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Well, would it was it normalized back two, three thousand years ago?
SPEAKER_01What?
SPEAKER_05Right, that sort of thing?
SPEAKER_01What? Whoring yourself around whoring isn't is not new.
SPEAKER_05Has it always been part of a society? If you look at if you go and read Sodom and Gomorrah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man. It's been a while. It's been a it's been out for a while. But again, it doesn't if you're talking about bringing out someone's beauty, that's not the way to do it, really. Well, I'm just saying that's not the only beautiful thing. No. It's not that's just one element. And that's the problem with events like that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And it was crazy how like I guess whitewashed or blinded the guy running it was. You know what I mean? He never I I doubt he would have ever even thought about these things because of how like passion how how much of his passion was inside of it. What he's trying to do. So I guess like breaking it down. I don't think it's changeable with people who run those types of things without barring it or completely just removing it or telling them that they're not allowed to do it anymore. But then it's so common and so popular on Instagram, and it's so popular all around the world that it's kind of become a really hard thing to get rid of or try and remove when it's so in your face all the time.
SPEAKER_01Well, here look, let me ask you some real questions, Ru. This event was you were invited to this event.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I was invited to cook.
SPEAKER_01You were invited to cook at this event. Yeah. Now, how'd you find out about this event? Not who told you, but how'd you find out?
SPEAKER_05Phone call. Somebody called me up and said that um Jazz, Jazz called me up, said that she had a party for uh like a party gig and was wondering if I wanted to go and cater and do it and maybe make some money out of it.
SPEAKER_01And did you speak to the person, the actual person, because she wasn't the one actually running the event. She was referred you.
SPEAKER_05I was talking with him, I met up with him a few times, we were like went out and got a bunch of stuff and organized it all and sorted it out.
SPEAKER_01Did he give you these parameters before you went to the event?
SPEAKER_05Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything was like well known. And then it wasn't till I kind of let it be a become a bit of a power trip for myself when the problem like the personal problem for me arised. And that was I'd said something to uh one of my friends that I wouldn't never have normally said that was just like very, very like egotistical, and then completely almost dismissing the fact of what it was and forgetting it, and then thinking that I was so cool that I'd landed this. So even like going up to the event, I was pretty torn. There was a couple times where I almost was like, nah, fuck it, I'm not doing it, but I'd already started making all the food, and then it was kind of already rolling, so I kind of went in into it thinking, like, look, I'm not gonna try and profit from this, I'm just gonna do it, get it done, and get out of the way, and then get out of there. And that's sort of what I did. And then he invited me to Gold Coast Swim Week as well, personally. Um even that I mean we had you and me had a couple conversations about it of me just not wanting to do it because of what went on at the the party prior. I was like, I don't see I don't see a future in that industry for us, right? I don't really see I never saw a future or anything good coming out of that. It's just all easy profit and easy money that's just gonna contribute to making society worse because we'd be the ones giving it a platform.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And that's not yeah, that's not something that I want to do anymore or try and work work towards.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Now I remember you being really against it after the fact, and we had a lot of discussions about it because I had a different perspective. You know, for me it was the opportunity to collaborate with people regardless of what they do.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And your perspective was not to collaborate with certain people because in that collaboration we begin to take on what they do and provide a platform for them.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And glorify. Yeah. And yeah, we had some serious debates about that. We had some arguments because I don't I didn't feel like we uh glamorize or glorify anything when we collaborate with people. I felt like we simply um identify a different perspective on life from that person's, you know, I guess, own point of view. So it was really interesting, man, to like navigate through that, you know, the la pretty much the end of the year. But at the time, we didn't know what it was going to do for us. Like you said, you didn't see any any benefit in it whatsoever. However, what came or what the result of that is and where we are now is that we have decided to do our own events. Right? And in our own events, we control the narrative in what is quote unquote glamorized.
SPEAKER_05And what's what's yeah, what what the platform is, right? And what the platform is, what we're designing. Yeah. And I think that's a much better way to attack it because if we do something that's wrong, it's on our shoulders, not anybody else's. Yeah, for sure. And the only person we're kicking in the foot is ourself, really.
SPEAKER_01That's why I think for me, after the end of uh Valentine's Day, when I we had so many people come up and just say, Man, I had such a great time, I've met some really cool people, thank you for having this type of event. This is the best Valentine's Day ever event I've ever been to. That really hit me hard. Because it was like, alright, that's that's where all this hard work pays off. We didn't make a bunch of money from the events, we actually lost money in all the events that we've done so far.
SPEAKER_05Chef, that's one thing Chefing told me is that it's not about however much amount of work you put in, it's when you've created a product or sold something and a customer is extremely satisfied with that product. That's that's where their true satisfaction is. For me, anyway. So when somebody tells me that they really enjoyed my food, I'm like, fuck yeah, I did a good job. Like, you know? Yeah. Even if it's something as simple as scrambled eggs on toast. Which at the cafe used to get that a lot. A lot of people, even over the simplest shit, would be like, that's like the best food I've ever had. And I don't want to create something that people are gonna take away, that people are gonna take away from it, especially when that thing was like straight up just sin or you know, straight up horror in that in that sense. Not anymore, anyway.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And getting back to some of these scarier, scarier truths about it, like I was saying earlier. So decreased birth rates, and this, like, it's real. It's happening in our faces and around us. Birth rates have fallen across many developed countries since new age feminism. Um, but the thing is, it is still happening in low feminist countries as well.
SPEAKER_01Why do you think it's decreasing the birth rate?
SPEAKER_05Because of the whole like male to female dynamic has changed. People now question something as basic as loyalty. Like, when you get into a relationship with someone, your hope. Hoping that they're gonna be as loyal as you are going to be to them. It's something that's questioned. Whether loyalty shouldn't be questioned at all. If you're gonna be with somebody, it's almost like I would and it's it should be an expectation, right? From both sides.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah, no doubt about it. But these days it's so easy to be disloyal.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think that's where the anxiety comes from.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Right? With the dating apps and social media, it's easy to cheat on somebody.
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Very easy. And we're not taught to be loyal anymore either. No. But I what else do you think is the reasons for the decrease in birth rate? Do you have any other takes on that?
SPEAKER_05The porn industry as a whole. Because you get if because it's that access, like I had access to it when I was 12. Yeah. I could go and find that shit when I was young. Could you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05So what you're doing is you're feeding and creating a dopamine loop inside of your mind. That that and then that's the only thing you're rewiring your brain to not seek it from the correct source, and you're seeking it from a fake source that isn't real, that's never going to happen, or never gonna be your reality unless you make it or keep and pursue it, right? And try and get into the porn industry yourself. And then this dopamine loop leaves you in this state of if I want to feel pleasure and if I want to feel intimacy, I have to do it with myself. And it has to be in front of a screen and it has to be watching something that's make-believe on the internet. And because of that, when it comes to getting in a relationship or trying to seek it out, guys don't know how to approach girls anymore because of what that the image of woman has been shown to them through watching porn. And when it gets hot and like you're in a growing phase, in a brain development phase, it becomes hardwired to your your own self.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I hear you. I think I think that's a I mean porn's been aro around for a while, so that's you know, probably an ongoing thing. It's more accessible now compared to times past. But I think another side of it would be the um how do you say this? The the change in priorities. So nowadays you have uh couples that'll get together, and they they you know they could be um male and female couples, but the priorities are different. They're they're on financial success, you know, they they're worried about their careers. Um, women don't want to get pregnant because of them pursuing a specific career, right? And you have a lot of relationships where that type of stuff occurs, and that affects the birth rate. Back in the day, it you didn't think about your career, you just had children, if that's what you wanted to do, right? You didn't think about a lot of the things that people are thinking about now, and some of the stuff is wise to think about, right? You want to make sure you're providing a safe and you know, comfortable environment for the child that you're gonna have, but yeah, at the same time, you you don't let that stop you because what do you what is what is life about? Is is life about career and making money, or is life about creating more life? Creating more life, right? I think that's where we're blurring the lines.
SPEAKER_05But we need but in order to do that, we need money.
SPEAKER_01Not necessarily. Not the type of money where you wait five or ten years to have a child. You know what happens to that child when you wait longer to have it? What? It's harder for women to have children as they get older compared to when they're young. For sure. So if you're waiting five or ten years to get to a level in your career that may or may not come, yeah, you are missing out on prime time to have children.
SPEAKER_05But then you also look at it from this point. It takes, I think it this was on the nine news uh a couple weeks ago, it takes 20 years to save working a nine to five job to just put a deposit down on a house for somebody who's just left high school.
SPEAKER_00No doubt about it. It's impossible.
SPEAKER_05So you think about that level of financial stress being placed onto everybody.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Outlandish things are bound to happen, and especially when those outlandish things are like immoral or unethical things are so easy to do.
SPEAKER_01But you owning and ch owning a house doesn't shouldn't dictate you having a child.
SPEAKER_05No, but it does give you a sense of security with raising that child. Absolutely. And that is something that should be valued. Absolutely. If it was easier to get a house, we wouldn't have single mothered mothered homes, we wouldn't have single-fathered homes. Potentially. Financial stress to me is probably one of the biggest things wrecking relationships. Yeah. Very big contributing factor to it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It is, but you I don't believe you should allow your finances to destroy your relationship. No. And you can control that. You don't have to have you don't need a house to own a house to have a good relationship or to raise children. Right? You don't need that. Yeah, it will provide security, but that's that's not a requirement to say, oh, I don't own this house, so I'm not gonna have children. Because when you do that, then of course you're gonna have a decline in children being born because everybody can't afford to buy a house. Yeah. That's why there's called the renting market. Yeah. So where do we go there? Well, do we tell people to stop raising the value of property so people can buy houses? So they can have children.
SPEAKER_05Marriage now happens later. Yep. Much, much later in life. Divorce is socially acceptable. Yes. When it shouldn't be. Um sexual marketplace is amplified by dating apps. Yep. And to a lot of people, their options and the stuff that you can now do in this world is infinite. There's so much. Life is very is is very complicated if you make it to be complicated.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05For sure.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, man, that's uh some debatable stuff. What's the conclusion of it all, man? What do we do?
SPEAKER_05I guess we'd have to save that for another episode. I can't give you a solution off the top of my head because it's too gr it's too crazy. It's too great of a of s of a thing to destroy or remove.
SPEAKER_01Is it possible to just hit the big reset button and start over again?
SPEAKER_05But then what are we talking? Are we talking like removing media completely?
SPEAKER_01Like reset on everything, man. Like when you reset your game, right? Everything just starts fresh. Property value goes back to zero, jobs become easier.
SPEAKER_05I don't know. Why don't you become a politician and find out?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that sounds like a recipe for disaster. Nobody likes a reset button, right? No. Because those that have gotten ahead have to start all over from the beginning, and I probably wouldn't like that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So do we keep talking about the problems or do we try and come up with a formidable solution? I think Because everybody can do it, right?
SPEAKER_01Everybody can find a way to discuss a problem. But we just did it for 50 minutes. We did, right? But what is the solution? I think the solution is life, right? I think that's the purpose. I think that's the goal.
SPEAKER_05Maybe if you can make enough people aware. Then what? Enough people will stop doing it.
SPEAKER_04And then others will follow. A movement. A movement. A coalition, if you will. Yeah. Of awareness. Yeah. Specifically. Potentially.
SPEAKER_01Po potentially. All we can do is hope.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I don't really have any positive affirmations for this one. Well, there you have it. It's kind of a bit of a depressing episode.
SPEAKER_01Look, I'll say this. Just going back to the uh event thing. Um, that's been a positive. Oh, for sure. It's the fact that we have now decided to add events to our podcasts. We've decided to grow our podcasts and put it on multiple platforms. And on top of all this, we are impacting others by them showing up to our events and having a great time. And we hope to see everyone there having fun, sharing a moment, connecting, networking.
SPEAKER_05We are in a way successfully bringing back a form of culture to the Gold Coast with these events.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Of course they're small at the moment, but if we can upscale them, I think we might have a shot at uh changing some minds.
SPEAKER_00We'll see.
SPEAKER_01There's only one way to find out.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Keep doing it until you die, right?
SPEAKER_01No, we're not we're not gonna do that. We're just gonna keep doing it. We're gonna leave we live forever. Our voices live forever on this podcast.
SPEAKER_05Well, every every form of content does nowadays. Anything you post is there forever. It is.
SPEAKER_01It definitely is, man. Um, but look, uh I'll say thanks to you for your hard work and dedication and collaboration on our 80 plus episodes. And uh, hey, let's get to 100, my man.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah. 100. That's the goal. It's a big number. And then we'll get to two.
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