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Could The Cowboys DRAFT Jacob Rodriguez At Pick 20?! - Kris Kretschman Show
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On today’s episode of the Kris Kretschman Show, we’re diving deep into some MAJOR developments surrounding the Dallas Cowboys — and what it all means moving forward.
First, we break down the Cowboys’ plan for Daron Bland potentially playing on the outside. After an incredible season, how will this role change impact his game and the overall defense? Is this the right move… or are the Cowboys overthinking it?
Then, we react to Lance Zierlein’s latest mock draft, where he has the Cowboys selecting Sonny Styles and Colton Hood. Are these smart fits for Dallas, or are the Cowboys heading in a questionable direction with these picks?
Finally, we ask the big question… could the Cowboys actually draft Jacob Rodriguez at pick 20? Is he worth the value, or would this be a reach that fans won’t be happy about?
This episode is packed with Cowboys insight, draft analysis, and strong opinions you won’t want to miss.
Make sure to like, subscribe, and drop your thoughts in the comments — what should the Cowboys do in the draft?
Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome to the Chris Cratchman show for April 2nd, 2026. I hope you guys did not get hit with the April Foolish jokes yesterday. Luckily for me, I didn't get fooled one time. I think that's the first time that's ever happened. There's usually at least one thing that slips through the cracks. There was actually a funny April Foolish joke where somebody said, uh, you know, the breaking news, the Cowboys are going to be getting shades over their windows. And, you know, because of the whole thing with the sun coming into the stadium. That was a good one. I liked that. It didn't get me because I I wasn't getting got this year. Uh, I was making that a point this year to not get got. So I didn't get got yesterday. Hopefully you guys didn't as well. Um, but we have a fun episode today. Uh, Lance Zerline did a mock draft. I want to talk about that. I also want to talk about the uh the plan from the Cowboys to keep Daron Bland on the outside. That's something I want to talk about. And I want to talk about Jacob Rodriguez. That's a name that people are talking about at pick 20 that is starting to gain some steam. I'll go over my opinions on Jacob Rodriguez and if the Cowboys should take him at pick 20. But before we get into the episode, please make sure to hit that like button, subscribe. I would greatly appreciate it. And without further ado, let's get into the episode. So Lance Erline did a mock draft, and I think Cowboys fans are really gonna like who he ends up taking for the Cowboys. So I'm gonna go over this mock draft real quick, up to pick 20, where the Cowboys are, uh, for both picks, right? So 12 and 20. Let's go over this. Raiders at one, take Mendoza, Jets at two, take Reese, Cardinals at three, take Bailey, Titans at four, take Love, the Giants at five, take Carnell Tate, the Browns at six, take Munro Freeling, the Commanders at seven, take Mansoor Delane. The Saints at eight, take Mikhail Lemon, the Chiefs at nine, take Spencer Fano, the Bengals at ten, take Ruben Bain, the Dolphins at 11, take Francis Malanoa, and the Dallas Cowboys select Sonny Stiles, the linebacker from Ohio State. This is the Cowboys' dream right here. Like, let's just be honest with ourselves. If a dream scenario could happen for them, this is the dream scenario. Like, obviously, Reese Fong the 12. Like, yeah, that's the, but that's that's like fantasy land. There's a difference between you could chase a dream, right? Like you could get a dream, and this is the dream scenario that the Cowboys would love. I mean, Sonny Styles is a very good prospect, obviously. Like, I'm not as high on Sonny Styles as I feel like some other people are. I feel like pick 12 is a perfect slot for him now. Like, if the Cowboys take him, I will be very excited. And when I mean I'm not as high as everybody else, all I mean is I'm not there with people when they say this guy is a top five draft pick. I'm not there, right? Like somewhere within that 8 to 12 range, perfect for Sonny Styles. And this is a perfect selection for the Cowboys. They need a linebacker. Sonny Styles is it depending on what you consider Arval Reese to be. If you think Arval Reese is an off-ball linebacker, perfectly fine, you know, then that's your number one guy, most likely. But Sonny Styles, like one and two, right? Like one A, one B in this draft. So the Cowboys need a linebacker. And I've been saying this throughout the offseason. Sonny Styles is the Tettero McMillan of this year, meaning that last year the Cowboys went in the draft and they said, We're gonna rely on the draft to go get us a wide receiver too in this fashion. Not that, you know, we're just gonna reach for a guy like Matthew Golden. We're gonna see if Tet drops to us at 12. We really love the player. And if he's not there at 12, what we'll do is we'll hold our cards for this draft and we'll go make a trade for somebody. And that's what I think they're doing right now. What George Pickens was to the Cowboys last year is what Jordan Brooks, I believe, is for the Cowboys this year, right? So uh Sonny Styles is the Tetarella McMillan, where it's like, hey, if this guy's there, that's great. We don't know if he's gonna be there, but if he's there, that's gonna be the way we address linebacker. But if not, just like last year with the wide receiver two spot, Jordan Brooks is our George Pickens. Obviously, like Jordan Brooks is not gonna give you the type of impact that George Pickens did, right? George Pickens was a top five receiver this year, he was an all-pro player, but you know, it's it's in a different way, right? So George uh uh Brooks is Pickens and Stiles is Tetterell McMillan. If Styles is there, they take him. If not, I think they trade for Jordan Brooks. So here's the write-up jackpot. Look, Styles could go much higher. If the Giants don't take him number five overall, he could be a potential trade-up target for a few teams. But if he's still on the board of pick 12, the Cowboys should be very excited. And I 100% agree. They absolutely should. Again, you know, because I feel like when there's a consensus on a player where I think a lot of people look at Styles as a top five player, when there's some when there's somebody that comes around and says, no, he's an awesome player, but he's I I think you're you're overrating him a bit. That doesn't mean that he's not an awesome player and that he wouldn't be an awesome pick here. I would be very excited if that's the pick. So 13 Rams, Tyson, 14 Panthers, Mazador. That that that's gonna hurt me when I see that. If I see that Buccaneers, 15, Sadiq, New York Jets, number 16, Caleb Downs. How would you guys feel about that? How would you guys feel about the Cowboys passing up on Sonny Styles for Caleb Downs? I would be okay with it. I'm gonna be 100% honest with you. I would be okay with that. Like, I, you know, Caleb Downs to me, another guy. Like, he is a top prospect in this draft, but you know, if the Cowboys were to take Sonny Styles, I'm completely fine with that over Caleb Downs just because I feel like I don't feel like there's a gap between where Downs is as a prospect, even though I have him graded higher than Sonny Styles, I don't think it's that big of a gap. Like I think a lot of these guys from picks one to pick 10 are touching tags with each other. I don't think there's a giant discrepancy between these guys, and the Cowboys need a linebacker more than they need a safety at the current moment. The Cowboys linebacker room might be the worst in the league at the current moment. Outs, you know, I I don't know if I would say that, to be honest with you, because DeMarvin Overshone is still a damn good player. But I think you guys understand where I'm saying, it's one of the less inspiring rooms in the NFL. So I would be okay with the Cowboys taking Styles there at 12 over Caleb Downs. At 17, uh Lions, Proctor, uh at 18, the Vikings, McCoy, that's another name. It's like you see that, you're like, ooh, I wish he would have got there to 20. Ravens, uh, they take the the offensive lineman from Penn State uh Ioni. I'm sorry, I I I don't know how to pronounce his name. I haven't done much research on uh guards in this draft because the Cowboys definitely don't need one of those. And then at pick 20, the Dallas Cowboys select Colton Hood, the cornerback from Tennessee. Now, I would like this pick. I wouldn't love the pick. Not because I don't think you're getting a really good player, but because I'm looking down this board and I just think that there are players that I would rather have over him. I would rather have Dylan Thieneman over him, I would rather have Emmanuel McNeil Warren, I'd rather have both those guys over Colton Hood. But if you're asking me, would this be a good pick? It would, even though I would rather take other people over him, but I I like Colton Hood. You know, when I watch him play, one thing that really stands out to me is he's patient, but he has a sense of urgency. And what I mean by that is when he's in press coverage, he doesn't get fooled by, you know, the TikTok dance moves or anybody's moves off the line of scrimmage. He's very patient from that perspective, but he's very good at recognizing, oh crap, this guy is gonna run a drag route or a crosser. I need to get on my horse and run after this guy. He's very sticky in man coverage. That's one thing that you see as well. Uh, and I talked about the recognition, I think that that's uh very, very good as well. The one thing that I will say about Colton Hood that kind of scares me is that he is a, and now you guys are gonna hear this from me. There is a difference between a have to tackler and a want-to tackler. And I think Colton Hood to me is a has to tackler. And when you see the other quarters on this team, when you talk about, you know, uh Savone Revel and Daron Plan, those guys are want-to tacklers. They want to get in there and get in the dirt and make tackles. That's not what Colden Hood is. But that's not to say, like, when when the action comes his way, he will tackle, but it's one of those things where it's like, all right, you know, it's like he's judging it, like, all right, I have to tackle, you know, I have to tackle, but yeah, now I have to tackle right now, instead of just forcing the issue and and being disruptive that way, you know what I'm saying? So that's where I would say I have a little bit of an issue with Colton Hood, but is it enough for me to say this wouldn't be a good pick at pick 20? No, I wouldn't say that at all. And as a matter of fact, one thing I really like about Colton Hood is that I actually talked to him at the senior bowl, I interviewed him at the senior bowl, and I wouldn't say it was him being dismissive, it was more so him wanting to do other things, which is fine. I am no and I have no problem with that, I have no ego, right? Like, if you don't want to talk me, completely fine. I'm not saying he didn't want to, I'm just saying you could tell he probably wanted to do other things at that at that moment instead of talking to me, which is fine because there's too many players on this team that want the camera in their face that want all the attention. This guy wants to come in, play his football, and bounce. And I'm completely fine with that. That's that's what and and the thing is, you know, because I I don't want to mischaracterize Colton Hood when I talk about my experience with him at the senior bowl. I asked him a question, he answered it fully, he gave me a very good answer. I shook his hand after. It was a good interaction, but you know, great, great young man. That's what it seems like to me. I'm just saying there was a little bit of him that I could tell I'd rather be doing something else. Not like I don't want to be here at the senior bowl playing football. He wanted to be there at the senior bowl playing football. He had an outstanding week there, but it's just you could tell he's kind of a guy that doesn't really want the spotlight. And that's the characterization that I'm coming to here, which I'm completely fine with because again, there's too many guys on this team, there's too many guys who have been on this team that love the cameras, that love the spotlight. I I don't need a team full of that, right? Like, he's not a quarterback where you got to interview well as a quarterback because if you don't interview well as a quarterback, there's other things that happen when it comes to like, all right, you're putting this guy in the locker room and you're trying to have him lead a football team. There does have to be a little bit of charisma there, a little bit of being able to, you know, win a room and get guys to like you so that they can play for you. He's not a quarterback, he's a cornerback. So that's where it doesn't really bother me. I I hope it it doesn't come off as me trying to like go at him. It it's not, it's not at all. I'm just saying, you know, I I I kind of I actually like that about him that he's you know more so dialed in on playing football than he is getting in front of a camera and doing podcasts and you know, uh uh being a celebrity. He wants to play football, and and that's where I'm trying to get at from there. But at pick 20, yeah, I'm there. And the reason why is because he's a premium position player, and that's what I like about it, right? Like, um even though I said Emmanuel McNeil Moore and Dylan Dieneman, the reason why is because those guys I think are like when I rank those guys, I have both those guys and like the teens with my ranking. So, yes, they're not premium position players, but they would be the best players on my board at that current moment. But with Colton Hood, he plays corner and he's an outside corner. This guy is not a slot corner, he's not gonna be playing on the inside, he is playing on the outside. So, to me, like there's a reason why the NFL looks at premium positions and says, we want all that, because it's a lot more difficult to find a really good corner than it is to find a great linebacker or great safety. You can absolutely acquire a great linebacker and a great safety. And the difference between, you know, finding a really good linebacker, it's much easier to find a really good linebacker than it is a really good cornerback. Because when you have really good cornerbacks, those guys do not hit the market. It just doesn't happen. Like you have to give up legitimate draft capital to go get a guy like that. And the guys that are in free agency all almost always cornerbacks get overpaid because there's a reason why teams are like, yeah, even though that's one of the most important positions in the sport, we're good with letting you go. There's a reason for that, and it's usually not because these guys are are great players, and that's where I come from when I where I say, like, I believe in the premium position thing that people talk about. Hey, quick break. If you guys haven't already, please make sure to hit that like button, subscribe. I would greatly appreciate that. And let's get on to the next topic. So it looks like the Cowboys want to play Daron Bland on the outside. That's been something that they have been very clear about so far this offseason. And the one thing I will say about that is this they want Daron Bland to play on the outside on April 2nd, 2026. It is not April 24th or April 25th, 2026, or even September 4th when the season starts, right? It's not that date, it's April 2nd. Things change, plans change. You get into the draft, and you know, maybe there's a guy there for you at pick 12. Let's just say hypothetically, you know, I I get it, he might, he probably won't be there. But man, Sua Delane is there at pick 12 and the Cowboys draft him at pick 12. Are you trying to tell me that you are going to take your one of your three best quarters off the field and go get a you know, uh, somebody that's gonna play in the slot that like a ready stewart or somebody like that, who is clearly not better than what Bland would be in the slot and revel on the outside. Are you gonna do that just because you're being stubborn because you paid Daron Bland? Because the way the Cowboys are looking at it is that hey, we're paying you, you know, damn near top of the market money. We're paying you good money for you to be an outside corner. We want you to stay as an outside corner. And my rebuttal to that is okay, like that's fine, but Daron Bland is an outside corner, probably has a market value of somewhere around eight to twelve million dollars at the current moment, like eight or twelve on the very, very high end. That's the type of season he just had. He's not as valuable on the outside as he is in the slot. Now, if he was a slot corner, I think you're probably looking at a situation where he's probably like an $18 million player, like top of the league slot player. That's the way I think of Deron Bland. I mean, his rookie year, he was one of the best slot corners in the entire league, and this was back in 2022. So the way I look at this is like, man, Daron Bland could be a legitimate like weapon for you in the slot. That that nickel player that the Cowboys are chasing, I think they already have that player on the team, and his name's Daron Bland. So the way I look at this is if you draft Delane at 12, when you're playing nickel, I think the best way to do this would be play Delane on one side, you play Revel on the other, and then you play Bland in the slot. Like, yes, you're not getting the the premium value that you you're paying for. But my thing is like you can't be stubborn in this situation, you have to be able to adjust. This isn't about you know, this guy giving you a great return on your investment, you're probably not getting that from Bland. And as a matter of fact, the Cowboys are probably gonna move on from Duran Plan this time next year. He's probably gonna be playing for another team, and that's fine, that's okay. But if you look at it and say, let's not be stubborn about this, let's put him in the best position to succeed. Maybe a year from now, you say to yourself, yeah, he's not living up to the contract that we gave him on a 100% you know value basis, like on a hundred percent like return on investment. You're not gonna get like a high ROI, but you're looking at it and you're saying, still a damn good player. Yeah, we might have overpaid him. His contract's a little more expensive than he's probably worth, but we have a damn good slot corner, and that's how we're gonna roll here, right? But him playing on the outside, yeah. If if that's their plan for him this year, it's probably gonna be a situation where they look at this and say that the type of player he is is nowhere close to what his contract is saying he should be, and we probably have to move on. That's what I think would ultimately end up happening there. And that would that would be a shame if if you're looking at this player and saying his best position is somewhere that the coaching staff isn't putting him in. Now, these guys know more than me. The coaching Brian Schottenheimer knows more than me, uh, Christian Parker knows more than me. I if if if they if they are of the mindset of Deron Bland is best on the outside, we watch the tape and we know what we want our guys to do in this defense, and we don't think Daron Bland can do that in the slot, then I look at that and I say, okay, I can't argue with you there because you're watching the tape and you know the plan that you're gonna have for the guy. But if they're doing this just because of his contract, because you know the market tells you that outside corners get like good outside corners get paid what Daron Bland gets paid, and that's the only reason why you're doing this compared to where playing him, where he's best at. I I would be disappointed in that. I'd be I'd be very, very disappointed in the team if that's the reasoning for this. And and something tells me that that is the reasoning for this. And here's the thing, right? At pick 20, I really believe the Cowboys want to target a nickel player, right? I think they want to go after a guy like Avion Terrell or Emmanuel McNeil Warren or a Dylan Thieneman if he's still on the board at pick 20. I think that's where they want to go with this. Um, but you know, it's gonna be interesting to see if they end up with a Mansur Dwayne, right? Or, you know, if they're as high on Jramad McCoy as some of the fan base is now you're in an interesting situation because you kind of say to yourself, huh? Huh. So we have Delane here, we have Revel, they're outside guys, and there's no negotiating that. Those guys are not playing in the slot. We have Bland, what are we gonna do with them? You know, when when you're in your base formation, right? When you're in your 3-4, you play Delane on one side and you play Bland on the other. Those will be your outside guys. But like now, the way the league is, the league has shifted. You're playing nickel a lot more than you have before. Like, I think while the 3-4 is going to be their base defense, I think they end up playing nickel way more than they played 3-4 this year because that's just the way the league is going. The league wants to live in 11 personnel. Now you're starting to see some of these Shanahan guys come in and they're playing more 12 personnel. Sure, like no doubt about that. And in those situations, you play your base. But when you're in your nickel, I just think the best three that you could put out there would be uh, you know, Delane, if that's the pick, Revel on the other side, and then Bland. Now, like you're not going to convince me that the best three is Delane, Bland, and then on the inside, you're playing Reddy Stewart or something like that. You know, or or or even maybe you bring Jalen Thompson down and you play him in the slot. Maybe that's your three. And and I would be more okay with that than Reddy Stewart, but then like your safeties take a little bit of a hit. Like the the talent that you have over the top at safety takes a little bit of a hit there because now you're playing PJ Lock and Malik Cooker over the top. I just don't think that's as good as Jalen Thompson and whatever whatever combination it is with Malik Cooker and PJ Lock. I just don't think you're as good from that perspective. So, like to me, I think the Cowboys, I I really I just I just hope they're not doing this because of the contract. I really hope that there is a schematic reasoning for this and an actual schematic reasoning, not something that they're gonna make up to to tell you that it's actually not about the contract, there's no pressure here at all because of the contract. We're doing this specifically for schematic reasons. I I just hope that it is a legitimate schematic reasoning as to why they're putting Daron Bland on the outside and not because of his contract, because that would be just so disappointing. Hey, quick break. If you guys haven't already, please make sure to hit that like button, subscribe. I would greatly appreciate that. And let's get on to the next topic. So I want to finish off this episode by talking about Jacob Rodriguez, the linebacker from Texas Tech, who a lot of Cowboys fans are hoping is the pick at pick 20. And I'm gonna be 100% honest with you guys. I think at pick 20 it's a little bit rich. It's a little bit rich for my liking at pick 20. And the reason why is I am big on premium positions, right? Your premium positions are your quarterback, wide receiver, offensive line, defensive end, cornerback. That is your premium positions. And the reason why they're premium positions is because it's way more difficult to find those positions and have really good players be available at those positions compared to really good players being available at non-premium positions. So that's where I come from with this. So Jacob Rodriguez already he plays a non-premium position. So now I'm looking at him saying, you have to walk on water for me to want to draft you. And to his credit, there are some things that he does that makes you say he walks on water. The 13 uh total turnovers that he had this year, that's walking on water. Seven force fumbles, that's walking on water. Four interceptions, that's walking on water. But then I watch him versus the run, and I don't love it. Now, I I always try to preference this by saying maybe other people are watching different games than I watched, and maybe I'm watching like the two worst performances from a player. You never know when that's the case. But when I watch Jacob Rodriguez against the run, I worry that he gets blocked a little too easily. That's something that I noticed on tape where I'm like, man, he always finds himself getting blocked. I don't think like when he fits the run, he does it with the physicality that you see from a guy like CJ Allen, where when he gets downhill, he's getting downhill, he's filling that gap, he's putting a hit on a running back. That's what CJ Allen does. Jacob Rodriguez isn't necessarily that, not from what I saw on tape. I don't think he's a he's a great tackler. You know, McShea in his write-up of Jacob Rodriguez says that hey, that's something that you're probably gonna have to coach into him a little bit. And if that's the case, fine. One thing that I worry about is he played in the Big 12, and I'm worried about him being, you know, physical in the Big 12. You know, like this isn't the SEC where it's a little more forgiving, even still, it's something that I would point out, but this isn't the top competition in the country that he was playing against, and I I worried about his physicality. So when he gets to the NFL, especially a player that you need to be ready for you day one, I don't think Jacob Rodriguez is that guy per se. And when you look at what the Cowboys need out of a linebacker, if you're asking me Jacob Rodriguez or CJ Allen, it's not even a question I'm taking CJ Allen because CJ Allen is going to get downhill. You have your linebacker that you probably need to keep free for him to really play at his highest potential, and that's DeMarvian Overshown. If DeMarvian Overshone is kept free, oh my lord, the plays that he's able to make in the backfield, the tackles for loss, all that stuff. I don't look at him necessarily as a forced player. I look at CJ Allen as a forced player, right? You know, my only problem with CJ Allen is that like look at pick 20, I, you know, I would be okay with it. Like I'd be like, eh, all right, but I I look at him more as like a guy that's probably a better pick at pick 25 to pick 30, somewhere around that line, right? When I look at, you know, again, it's the premium positions, like Lance Zerline had Colton Hood, the Cowboys at pick 20, completely fine with that. And I know people are gonna say, like, yeah, but you like Thieneman, you like Emmanuel McNeil Warren, and that is that is absolutely fair for people to point that out. But the reason why I like those guys at pick 20 is because I think those guys are better than the 20th overall player. Like, I would rank both those guys in the teens if I was building a big board, I would rank both those guys in the teens. So, because of that, at pick 20, absolutely, I think those guys walk on water, but when it comes to Jacob Rodriguez, I do not believe he walks on water. I think, you know, the question that I have is I always hate asking this question because and and framing it like this, because you know, in NBA debates, people will say, well, if Kevin Durant can't score, what type of player he is? Well, he's great because he scores. It's the same thing with Jacob Rodriguez. He is great because he he he forces takeaways. But my question is, if he wasn't forcing as many takeaways, what would he be? Like, would he be a guy that would be even considered at pick 20? Even considered at pick 20. I don't believe so. I don't even I I don't think it's it's even the right thing to do to consider him at pick 20 now, even with the amount of takeaways that he gets. I I I just don't think he's that type of player. I don't think he's the complete package, in my personal opinion. So that's where I come from, and I say, I just think there's better players on the board than Jacob Rodriguez. Now, what I will say is I may be dead wrong about Jacob Rodriguez. There's a two people that I I, you know, are dear friend of mine that you know I really, really respect, Zach Wolchuk and Okuye. They are singing the praises of Jacob Rodriguez, and those are two guys that I really, really trust, and and they're high on him. So maybe I'm the one that's wrong. I I'll I'll never be afraid to admit when I'm wrong. Maybe, maybe I'm wrong here. But when I watch Jacob Rodriguez with my eyes, I I don't come away as impressed as you know some of my friends do about Jacob Rodriguez. And again, like on this team, I think a lot of this is fit, right? And on this team, I think you need a linebacker that plays with force more than you need a linebacker like Jacob Rodriguez, right? Like, that's where I come from with this. And some of the players that I would take over Jacob Rodriguez at pick 20. When you look at the cornerbacks, I'm taking Avion Terrell, Colton Hood, Brandon Cise. If Jramad McCoy is there at pick 20, I don't know if he's going to be there, but you never know with these things. That's a player I would absolutely take over him. Then when I look at the safeties, Thieneman, Emmanuel McNeil Warren, I'm taking both those guys over Jacob Rodriguez. I was the I would even take AJ Hawsey over him. Uh at defensive end, a edge defender, whatever you want to call it, Akeem Mazador if he's there at pick 20, R. Mason Thomas, Cassius Howe, TJ Parker, maybe Keldrick Fulk, all those guys I would take over Jacob Rodriguez. And then when you look at the linebackers, I would take CJ Allen over Jacob Rodriguez. I would take Anthony Hill Jr. over Jacob Rodriguez. And then even if you want to go to the offensive players, there's offensive players I would take over him as well. So that's where I look at that and I say, like, man, it if I was taking a player at pick 20, where would he rank amongst, like, if you if you showed me all the players that were available at pick 20, where would he rank among those guys? Like, man, I don't have all the prospects in front of me, but it would probably be somewhere around 15 to 20 players. I would no doubt take over him. So that's where I come from, where it's like, man, at pick 20, it's just too rich. It's just too rich. If you're drafting a linebacker in the top 20, especially when you have the type of premium position players available for you that are going to be there at pick 20 for you, you got to be able to walk on water. And I just don't think he does. Like, again, second, third round pick, cool. Like if the Cowboys find a way to get back in the second round, cool. If they, you know, if he's there at 92, or if they find an earlier third round pick and he's there, fine. First round pick, pick 20, it's just a little bit too rich for me, in my personal opinion. So that's going to be it for the show today, guys. Hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Please make sure to hit that like button, subscribe. I would greatly appreciate that. And I will see you guys in the next episode.