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The Dark Side of Being a "High Producer" Dad

Have you ever felt like you finally broke the cycle, only for the "old version" of yourself to show up when life gets heavy?

In this episode of First Hero, we’re pulling back the curtain on the reality of being a "Cycle Breaker." We use Corey’s current life—balancing two businesses, a toddler, and a new baby on the way—as a raw case study on what happens when the pressure reaches a breaking point.

We dive deep into why high-producers often suffer in silence, the physical toll of "having a full plate," and why your daughter doesn't need a perfect father—she needs a father committed to the repair.

If you’ve been feeling the weight of the "old you" trying to take back control, this conversation is for you. You aren’t failing; your new programming is simply being tested.

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In this episode, we discuss:
How to handle the "fawn cycle" of not wanting to let people down.
The truth about "Dad Rage" and the "Eckle’s Temper."
The "Million Dollar Day" tactic to clear your mental bandwidth.
Why the "fight" is evidence of your strength, not your weakness.


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SPEAKER_01

You've done the work, you broke the patterns, you learned the tools, you are not the same man you used to be. And then life hits. The pressure mounts, the overwhelm starts to build, and one day, boom, you react. You hear his voice come out of your mouth, the old you, the one you absolutely swore would never show up again. And in that moment, the shame spiral begins. The voice whispers, see, you're a fraud. You haven't changed at all. Today we're having a different type of conversation. This isn't about a framework, it's about being in the fight. What happens when a cycle breaker gets triggered and falls back into the patterns he thought he'd broken forever? We're gonna pull back the curtain on this right now. Your daughter doesn't need a perfect father. She needs one committed to being better. Welcome to the first hero podcast, where girl dads break harmful cycles and build impactful legacies. Welcome to the first hero podcast. I'm Rich. And today I'm sitting with my good friend and my brother. Corey, what's up? Appreciate you guys. And today what we're gonna do is we're gonna we're gonna use this time as a bit of a case study. We're gonna peel back the curtain because if you've listened to several of our episodes, if you're familiar with the first hero brand, we are not perfect fathers. We are fathers committed to the fight. We are committed to the pursuit of being better. And as such, we're gonna use Corey as a case study because you and I were having a conversation last week. And um much like a couple months ago, I was going through some shit. Now you're kind of in the shit. Yeah. And so we're gonna break that down. We're gonna talk about this exact concept of someone, if if if you're a if you're a girl dad who has built so much and you've and you've you've conquered so many mountains as it relates to who you are internally and your own self-mastery and your journey with self-mastery, and you've progressed and you've made so much progress. What happens in those moments where we fall, where we drop to a knee, where we drop our shields, right? Where we get wounded on the battlefield and we take steps back, right? We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about how do we how do we navigate that, right? As as heroes all in this arena of fatherhood. Um, and so we're gonna use you as a case study. Yeah, let's do it, man.

SPEAKER_00

And so you're not wrong. I'm definitely definitely going through the thick of it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, man. Um so let's let's talk about that. Like when we were talking, you had described well first, let's talk about the pressure, right? Because I think that there's stimulus that create this for each of us men, and that stimulus can come from a number of different ways, dude. Yeah, usually it's a multitude of things. I've experienced it. You listening, you've probably experienced it. Corey, talk about the pressure. Like, what can you identify in terms of the pressure or stimulus of pressure that has created uh that has helped create this challenge?

SPEAKER_00

And just for just for context, Rich is Rich is taking me through this episode, asking me interview style. I don't know really any of the questions, yeah. So a lot of this is off the cuff. Um, but yeah, the immense amount of pressure. First, I guess the first thing that comes to mind is like is is is it self-inflicted, obviously. Um but I would again, this is this is wrapped in an identity statement. Listen to my words. This is wrapped in an identity statement, is I am a high producer. I'm a high caliber man that produces. Right. So therefore, I tend to take on a lot. I say yes to a lot of things because I can handle it. And right now in the thick of it, I'm feeling a lot of pressure. One, primarily I feel the pressure is because I don't want to let people down. Again, this is a fond cycle, right? Um, you know, for those of you who are listening, you know about that, but I don't want to let people down. Like Rich, you know, you and I are in business together. I love you, dude, and I would fucking take a bullet for you. And you know, I want to perform. I want you to my goal, again, this is a very selfless, but selfless, but also very selfish. It's a very selfless goal is I want you to look back and just be like, dude, getting in business with Corey was the best fucking idea I've ever had. Right? It's the best decision I've ever done. I'm so grateful. Same with my wife. I want my wife to be like, dude, this guy is the best thing that's ever happened to me. I'm so grateful that he asked me to marry him. I'm so grateful that I stuck it out through all the years of bullshit and torture and fucking mind torture and mind games because I did. I treated her, I didn't treat her very well. You know, I want her to think back, like, damn, dude, like this is great. This is the best thing I've ever done. And then the same thing with my daughter. I want my daughter to look up and be like, dude, I'm so blessed that I believe our children choose us before birth. But time for another podcast. But I want my daughter to be like, dude, I'm so fucking grateful before I came down to earth that I chose my father because wow, I am not easy. And if I had any other father, I would probably be a different person for the worst. You know, I these are the things, these are the stories. Again, you know, if you listen to our previous podcast, these are the stories that I tell myself. It's like, I want to look back at my life and on my deathbed when I'm 80. I don't want to be known to be a tyrant. I I want to be known to be wise, to be loving, to be compassionate, to be just a fucking person that people loved to be around. And he did some cool, awesome, great shit.

SPEAKER_01

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

You know? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

So uh yeah, dude, all of that resonates, man. I just want to let you kind of take the mic there. I love it. You're kind of bringing us into your world and into your mindset. Um I know work pressure, dude, is a lot for both of us. We've been entrepreneurs for a long time now. And um, you know, I haven't had a W-2 job and fuck, I can't remember the last time. It's been 16 years. Not ever, but yeah, dude. I mean, it was I was young. Um, but so of course, dude, there's work pressure as an entrepreneur for those of you listening, or you know, shit, there's pressure even if you're not an entrepreneur, but work pressure can for sure be a thing. What other type of pressure are you experiencing right now?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think work pressure is probably the most. Okay. Again, it's because I want to perform. I'm a high caliber, high producer, and I'm taking on a lot. We're building two businesses right now. We're building first hero. We're building, we're building enriched homes, which is uh a very successful real estate business. And we're hopefully to, you know, we're gonna make first hero a very successful business as well.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But also we we're living the standards of the first hero, meaning we say no to a lot of things to say yes to our family, to say yes to our wives, to say yes to our daughters, right? To be that, to be the example. So we're not just we're not just preaching this shit, guys. Like we are the example. And and the the the when I say no, when I say yes to my daughter, when I say yes to my wife, which is very often because I work from home, I feel the pressure on specifically on my personal and my um and my business life. Yeah. Right? Because I'm saying no to that and I have a lot to do.

SPEAKER_01

What are some examples of things that she that you say yes to?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So when my daughter irritate them and do it. And I love it. I love working from home, but it's also one of the worst things for productivity because my daughter, dude, she's she's so animated and so lively, and she's just a fucking tornado, bro. She's not like a normal, quote unquote, normal kid compared to her other friends. She's she's crazy, dude. And like, but you know, I mean, you don't see a bro like at home, like she's fucking wild. Um, but she uh she's constantly coming in the room and like, daddy, daddy, look at this. I got a rock, or I did this, or daddy, can you come play princesses with me? Can you play Barbie dollhouse and you know all this shit? And she's like, Can I sit on your lap? And she like tries crawling in my lap, so I let her sit in my lap for a little bit, and it's like 10, 15, 20 times a day. And Hillary's trying her best to like wrangle this kid. But you know, so I I get pulled from my task, and I but I also have a belief system, it's like, dude, if my kid fucking comes up to me and and and bids for my attention, I'm gonna give it to her for a minute, for whatever. But if you do that 20 times a day, that's that's like if you know anything about if you know anything about a flow state, like I'm constantly out of my flow state. So if anybody has an office near Tucson, Arizona, let me know.

unknown

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, sometimes working from home is I mean, yeah, not sometimes, dude. I think COVID taught everyone who had never had an opportunity to work from home just how great it can be and also all of the unforeseen it challenges with it as well. Yeah. Um, cool. So let's talk about one specific thing that you mentioned to me, dude. We've talked about the pressure, we've talked about some examples of of what you're navigating, and that pressure kind of those that pressure. I'm taking a deep breath because I can feel it, dude. Because I get the same, you know, I get to the same place at times. Richard literally just fucking went to the hospital for like heart palpitation.

SPEAKER_00

So for those of you listening.

SPEAKER_01

Corey hit me with this the other day, dude. I mean, we had a conversation where I just I I asked him, I'm like, what's up, dude? Like, how are you doing? You know, I'm sensing some sensing some some some uh frustration, some frustration, and and so that's where he where he opened up. But yeah, dude, I mean, as an entrepreneur, I'm I'm right there with you, man. We're in the thick of it, we're building the same thing. And and um, so we've talked about the pressure and how much that can relate to how much that can affect other areas of life. Yeah. But you said one thing that I think I really want to harp on with the with our time here is you made a reference to the old me. The old Corey showed up. Yeah. And so let's unpack that a little bit, dude. Like when you talk about the old version, help us understand what the old version looks like. Yeah, how to how to what are the stories the old version is talking? And you don't have to spend a lot of time on each of these, but just just like talk to us about the stories that that old version was using. What were the reactions that that old version of you were using? You know, maybe some examples of like in these situations, maybe like an example at work or the example with with Tatum at home. Like, how would you have shown up? Help us understand.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Old version of Corey, I would say was was asleep. And I started really waking up at around 30 and then really full blown pulled my head out of my ass at around 35.

SPEAKER_01

So that was like last month.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, a couple, a couple years ago. Really, Tatum really, dude. Once Tatum was born, I was like, fuck, all right. I at least had enough self-awareness to be like, okay, I have a lot of work to do, which I'm so fucking grateful for, dude. Oh, geez. Anyways, um, the old me, the old Corey was very reactive. The old Corey was very um, I need so I didn't, so I didn't know it for what it was, but I needed to be in control. I dominated conversations, I dominated interactions, I dominated the relationship with my daughter, and I know I would have dominated my relationship with with Tatum, right? Because I needed to be in control, right? Somewhere, somewhere in my life, I needed to be in control. So what happened, what bubbles to the surface is rage, a lot of anger. Dude, I used to punch holes in walls, I got into a lot of fights.

SPEAKER_01

Like that was an MO for you? That was an MO, dude.

SPEAKER_00

I just like I was I was the angry guy, you know. That and the belief was my. Growing up with you, I saw it. Right, yeah. But my dad had an anger problem, quote unquote. And now I adopted that identity. Oh, I just just it's just the Eccles temper, right? So, really, the old Corey, you know, if I were today, if I were to put myself in today, I probably wouldn't be married with Hillary. Uh Tatum would probably we wouldn't have a good bond. She probably wouldn't want nothing to do with me, right? And and you know, she loves me, she has to love me because she's just she's you know, I'm her caretaker, so she I she has to survive, so she'll she'll put up with me, but she doesn't, she wouldn't run to me, right? And and the old Corey. Yeah, the old Corey wouldn't have paused. The old Corey wouldn't have would wouldn't have taken breathing moments, the old Corey wouldn't have said, you know, hey, my daughter's not having a my daughter's not giving me a hard time, she's she's having a hard time, right? I wouldn't be able to pause in those tiny moments and make those decisions because there are there are decisions. I wouldn't have be able to, I wouldn't be able to do that, dude. And I'd be very abusive because I was at one point. I was fucking abusive, dude. Like just let's just call it that. Yeah. So yeah, that's the old Corey, man. And he comes up sometimes, dude. And he comes up, and it's tough because it's really hard because I'm not that identity. And whenever you whenever you identify with yourself and you have values and belief systems and you stray outside of those belief systems or that identity, it hurts. Like a bodybuilder, when they're not eating chicken and lifting, they're fucking hurting, right? So, like that's the shit that really identify that I identify that hurts, you know, and and it it wears on me. And it's the self negative feedback loop to where I just get caught in this cycle and I get more shame and more angry, and then I get more snappy, and then it's like fuck. And then finally, Richard's like, dude, what's up? You seem a little short. You're missing things at work that you normally like, like, come on, bro. Like, there was shit right in front of you, plain sight, and you didn't even see it. And it's just like that just causes more frustration and guilt. Like, so it's like, dude, yeah. So finally we had that conversation, and I felt better after it, honestly.

SPEAKER_01

What's uh I I love that, dude. I mean, it's it's a common theme that that our listeners are gonna hear, dude, is that um, dude, talk there, talk therapy is a therapy. Yeah, like, and as men, sometimes it's that simple, guys. Sometimes it's that fucking simple as to just talk about it, dude, with your boys. Like someone knows, dude.

SPEAKER_00

Someone knows the struggle I'm going through. It's like cool. It's like it's it's like cathartic.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, dude. And in in a sense, it's kind of like you're shouldering the weight with your with with somebody. Yeah. Right. So now it's like, okay, now Corey, now now I know. So now Corey feels a sense of like, okay, dude, now Rich has taken half the weight.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, man. Right.

SPEAKER_01

So now I feel like I have more capability now. I'm back in the race.

SPEAKER_00

Because I know, and and then and then and then I trust Rich. I also have a really good relationship with him. I trust to know that he's gonna fucking give me an invite support me with whatever I need. So just even though knowing that, knowing that I have support is great because I don't always want to go to my wife with all my problems. You know, I go to her with some problems, right? But it's like she's not my fucking, I'm not dumping on my wife, right? You know, I I don't I don't feel like I need to do that. You know, I I invite her into my world, but I I don't dump on her. And and the pressure though to kind of put like a name to it, to kind of describe it is this I have like an elephant sitting on my chest. I have a mountain of tasks I need to do and I need to do them. And then I'm working 12 hours a day, 13 hours a day, and that goes against my fucking belief set of like spending time with my daughter because I'm not spending time with my daughter, and then I'm in the shower thinking about shit. My daughter's trying to connect, and I'm like, I'm I'm still stuck in work and I'm snappy because I have, you know, a fucking mountain of things that I need to get done on a on a timeline that's really invisible, right? That I've set myself, right? But there's just this mounting pressure, and you get palpitations and you get like fuck, like, and then I have a kid on the way, and then I need to like build the nursery room, and I need to like, you know, I need a daddy daughter day. I need a daddy daughter day. Like, fuck, my daughter's begging for attention, and it's like all this shit. And then Rich, you explained it so well in that conversation. It's like, dude, I can handle a lot, but it's like those moments where it's like that straw that that that fucking breaks the camel's back, right? For me, it was like the shower started leaking and it's leaking and it's getting calcium and mold all over the fucking shower. And it's been like that for two weeks, and I'm like, fuck, I gotta get to it. And the toilet starts starts fucking, it's clogged. I don't know what the fuck happened. My toddler threw some shit down there. I had to get the plumber, and then it's like all this shit starts piling up. Fuck, I forgot to plant the grass seed because it's getting hot in the backyard, but I want to plant some grass. And then it's like all these things, and then one thing happens and it's just like fucking chaos.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_00

Right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I remember our conversation. I had kind of had talked about that. It was like my first question when you opened up was like, I asked, when was the last time you worked out? Yeah. Did you work out that next day? Because you said I have a workout tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00

No, I broke, I broke the promise to myself and I felt like shit about it.

SPEAKER_01

Did you work out since?

SPEAKER_00

Nope. Okay. No, because I'm waking up and I'm reacting.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, dude. It's and honestly, guys, it can be so hard, but physical fitness comes in, it can show up in so many different ways. Sometimes it's a walk, dude. Sometimes it's a hunter push-up. Sometimes it's it's uh, you know, calisthenics, whatever it is. Like when we get in these moments, I swear, this is one of the secrets that pulls me out of this, is like I have to, it doesn't solve it. I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I wanna be honest about this. It's not gonna solve it. However, it is a it is it is a piece of the armor that you put back on. Yeah, and so that was one of the things I asked you. And then the other thing that you were kind of alluding to was just the fact that uh sometimes it feels like there's a this this mountain of stuff, this mountain of shit. It can feel like we're just completely, we completely broke, and that we have to eliminate everything off of the plate in order to be back strong again, standing on two feet. But the reality is is like usually if you look back and you start to like jot down all of the stuff, personal and professional, that is wearing us down.

SPEAKER_00

Write it down, dude.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it helps. I just did this the other day. I made a personal to-do list that I haven't done ever, and I shared it with my wife so she can see and be aware of everything that's in my head that I'm trying to keep, you know, trying to keep and keep keep track of while also building two businesses. Anyway, all that to say, usually it's a deletion of way less than you think to feel stronger.

SPEAKER_00

It's just one or two big ones. Right. Yep. And all this to say, guys, like the really point of this is just is just because we're getting to a point. The point of this is to one, talk about it, dude. Talk to your brothers, talk to your friends, talk about it. Talk to us about it. You know, talk to us, get in the comments while we're fucking.

SPEAKER_01

That's why we're building this. We're building a whole community. Get in the comments, get connected with us.

SPEAKER_00

Talk to us, we'll fucking we'll do whatever. Like, we'll help, bro. And and and three, write down all the shit that's weighing on you. Write it down, dude. Professional, personal, yeah, um, and then familial, right? Write it all down. These are the tasks I need to do. And I told Rich, dude, because I used to do this back in the day, I haven't done it in a while, and I'm actually I'm starting to do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm planning it with Hillary, is is they call it the million dollar day, right? And it's not like you're gonna make a million bucks, but essentially what it does is you have a bandwidth, a mental bandwidth. And it's like a computer. You have a million tabs open. And what that does is that that that the RAM inside of your computer, the memory, the speed starts to slow down. It starts weighing on your your neural computer, right? So what we need to do is like, okay, write it all down and then take 24 hours and just do all the stuff on the personal, all the shit you have to do in the house, you know, all the stuff you got to put in to take out of storage, you know, anything you need to do, you gotta mow the grass, you gotta do all the shit. Do that for 24 hours. Be relentless. And I'm gonna get with my wife and say, look, watch Tatum for 24 hours. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna work on the baby room. I'm gonna fucking, you know, plant the grass seed. I'm gonna do whatever it takes because this shit is taking bandwidth. And in the morning when I'm cooking eggs, this is the shit that I'm thinking about. And then when Tatum tugs on my shorts, that's when I snap because I'm like, I'm fucking frustrated because I have to fucking plant the grass. And I said I was gonna do it. Make sense? So put it on your calendar, take 24 hours, do all that shit, free up the bandwidth.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. We're gonna we're gonna start to close out here, but I just wanted to, I wanted to give a gift to everybody listening. If you're resonating with all of this and you want to understand a little bit more about yourself, your fathering type, your girl dad type, how you're processing everything in your head, your strengths, your weaknesses, we created a quiz just for you. It takes less than five minutes. The results are gonna be profound. It gives you a comprehensive uh report at the end based on your specific fathering type on how you answered these questions. And it's super, super helpful. So, in the show notes or in the description, you're gonna find a link to the quiz. Go take it at less than five minutes. It's gonna be super, super helpful. I know you're gonna get some value from it. So go grab that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I got a ton of free resources, man. It's very in-depth. And then reach out to us and be like, hey, man, and and tell us, tell us your thoughts about it. Cool.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, give us some feedback on it, guys. We would appreciate that. Well, I kind of wanted to talk about uh I guess the last thing that I wanted to talk about is is reframe? Yeah, reframing. Like reframing how you are, you know, this isn't a failure. It's you're integrating. Yeah, and and one of the most important topics I specifically want to hear from you is how it relates to you've built this new identity. You have overcome over many, many years and trials and tribulations and challenges, old version of Corey as a girl dad, new version of Corey as a girl dad. And what's happening right now is the old programming is testing the new programming to see whether it falters, to see if there's cracks, to see if there's a way to navigate and infiltrate and infect. And so describe real quickly, because we got to lay in the plane. Describe that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for sure, man. This is a journey. Like you're never just the designer, you're never just a fucking first hero. Like this, like this, like the laws of physics apply here that you can't escape them, right? The second law of thermodynamics is entropy. Like entropy, you're you're constantly energy is dispersing and it's constantly moving towards random chaos. You have it's like dirt inside, it's like dust settling in your house. Like you don't just clean your house once, like you got to keep cleaning it, right? The same thing with with with your cycles, with your belief systems, with who you are. You constantly have to audit, you constantly have to work. There's gonna be ruptures, but what's important is what you do afterwards, the repair, the reflection, right? The the visualizations of what I'm gonna do next. Not what I'm not gonna do, but what I'm actually gonna do to let your unconscious brain program that in over time. Make sense?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and and I want to add in here, and then we'll do the hot take. Just because this old version came back up doesn't mean that's who I am taking gram. You you've you've lost ground. Yeah. It is testing. It is simply testing the new version against the old version. Yeah. And so if it comes up and it creates a certain response and you're able to make it subside, then the new one is going to prevail.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the new one's gonna prevail. It's what you do. You don't you don't dwell on it, you don't feel guilty about it, you just acknowledge it, learn from it, and then move on.

SPEAKER_01

And certainly don't succumb to it.

SPEAKER_00

And don't succumb to it. Just be like, stay in the fight, guys. I'm I'm still a first hero, I'm still a designer of my life, I'm still this, and I had a rupture. Let's move on, let's fix it, right? Let's do something about it.

SPEAKER_01

Let's do the hot take, bro. Sorry to cut you off.

SPEAKER_00

No, you're good.

SPEAKER_01

So uh hot take. For those of you that don't know, Corey's gonna be teed up a quote. He doesn't know what I'm gonna say. He's gonna give us a live interpretation of it, and we'll get to kind of uh make fun of how his brain works. So here it is. Life is hard for two reasons because you're leaving your comfort zone or because you're staying in it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, 100%, dude. I think I think if you expect life to be Easy, you're gonna have a fucking hard life.

SPEAKER_01

Harder.

SPEAKER_00

It's gonna be so hard, dude. And again, like physics, the law of thermodynamics. Like, if you understand entropy, like you understand, like if you're in a good spot in your life, get ready because something's about to fucking happen. Right. And that's and I don't want you to dictate that dictate your life, like, oh, like this is this is too good to be true. I just want you to be aware of it. Like things are gonna happen. That business that's been running well, or you got you got it smoothed out and dilated, like or dialed in, it's something's gonna crack, something's gonna break. So just just understand that your life is going to be hard. And you're gonna have an easy life. And then do hard things, dude. Like I try and do hard shit. Voluntarily voluntary hardly voluntary hard things. So that way I can like a rock is hard because you're comparing it to wool, right? So like do hard shit and you're gonna compare all the soft things in your life to the hard shit, and you're like, dude, my life is fucking cake. True. Make sense.

SPEAKER_01

Love it, dude. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So to close out here, the fight you're in is not a sign of your weakness. It's the evidence of your strength. It means you're awake. It means that you are in the arena for your daughter. Perfection is an absolute fantasy, but repair, that is the superpower. Don't you dare give up on the man you are becoming just because the man you used to be showed up for a fight. Send him back to hell and get back to work. Love it. Remember, distraction is the enemy, breaking the cycle is your duty. And legacy, that is the only thing we get to leave behind. You are one decision away from being the hero she deserves.