Ep 4. Rosanna Roscoe: Changing Agents & Grad Life!!

Hosted by Charlotte Neale. In this week's episode we chat to Actress Rosanna Roscoe. Talking all things Musical theatre including; changing agencies, grad life & Much more!! X

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Hello and welcome back to Life in the Wings. This is my third take of doing the intro. Today I am joined with uh by sorry what's happening. Sorry. Keep it in justanna rosca. Hello, thank you for having me. Thank you so much for coming. How much are you? I'm very well, thank you. Yeah, jump good here. It was good, but it's so hilly. Yes, it is very hilly. So I live in Crystal Palace, guys. Although it's a beautiful area, yeah, it's very hilly. My dad literally just came up the times and was like, those stairs, the hills. Like he literally went like 10 minutes down the road.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

I need to get back to a fitness class. I don't really need to.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Oh, girl, girl, we'll talk about fitness in the gym later with the industry. Yeah. Um, okay, so we're gonna start off um with some quick fire questions. AKA the 16 bar cut. Um, okay, so audition or self-tape? Audition. Any joy, any joy, audition, audition. Uh spotlight or Instagram? Spotlight. Fringe or West End? West End. Matine's or evenings?

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Evenings.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Musical or play? Play. Ooh. Interesting. We'll have to circle back to that. Yeah, both, but. Okay, cool. Uh singing or dancing round first. Singing. Nice. Uh rejection email. This is the last one, by the way. Rejection email or being ghosted.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Rejection email. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

I want to know where I stand. Yeah on last week's pod, we were saying the same. Like, we were like, people actually don't get sometimes people don't get rejection emails and they just get no's. So destroying. Yeah, absolutely brutal, right? Yeah. So uh for people that don't know, Rosanna and I, how do we know each other? Um so we first met at we're we're represented by the same agency actually. Yeah, big up Chloe Hart at Roberts and Day. So we both met at our agency social, which was actually super cute. It was, it was very wholesome. It was. Was you nervous to go in though?

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Actually, no. Were you not? No, I'd had a few bevies prior.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

She was ready.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

I was ready.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

I had that anxiety is too big of a word, but I had that like because I went by myself, I didn't really know anyone on the agency. Like, other agents that I've been with, I've never done like an agent social thing. No, like I never done it. And I was like, oh my god, this is so cute and wholesome. But also, it's one of those things, everyone must know this feeling. You know, when you walk into a room and you don't know anyone. Oh yeah. And you have to go up to people. I can't remember. Were you there when I first walked in, or did you come in after?

SPEAKER_01 2:42

No, I got there late. So me and my friend Amily, who's also rept, um we walked in and I think it was Matt, and he kind of spoke to me and said, Hi. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

I was like, Oh, yeah, because he was Matthew was like um he had his little group. Yeah, he was like right at the bottom of the stairs, wasn't he? So I was like, hi.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Yeah, and I'll talk to anyone. So I'm just I'm just quite I'm a bit of a butterfly.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

I literally had to put my big girl pants on, and I just went straight up to a group, and I was like, Hi guys, I don't know anyone, can I join you? Literally, I it was like you know when you're at um when you're at like preschool and you're like, Can you come play with me or like can you be my friend? Like, oh yeah. I literally felt like 12 again, like walking into this room. But can I sit with you? Literally, imagine mean gals, you can't sit with us. Um no, but it was a really, really cute evening, and that's how uh that's when we first met. Yes, and then we recently did another little project together. Um, our incredible agent, uh Chloe, is also a performer, and she did a solo cabaret at the crazy cocks, and we were her little backing singers! Yes, we were. Yeah, so we did that and we spent pretty much a whole day together, didn't we?

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Because we did like 10 seconds for a meal. Yeah, where did we rehearse again? It was the dog place. The dog place. Yeah, the dog place.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Oh, um The Dog Place. I was like, what dog place? West End Tales. I should know that. That was the rookie era. Yeah, yeah. West End Tales, that was it. Because I've seen them on Instagram, but I've never known like where they actually were. And I was um we uh saw about eight dogs, didn't we? We walked in, there was like so many dogs. It was really cute. They've got a really cute studio, not that I'm trying to plug them, but I'm plugging them, West End Tales. Um, they have a really cute studio that you can hire. And um, yeah, we did our rehearsal.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

I remember I walked in and I was like, wow.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah, it was really, really nice. And um also, do you remember that? Um what song was it? Uh I Can Hear the Bells.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Oh yeah. And um I You rehearsed that about 70,000 and gazillion times.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Oh, on the on the show day, yeah. I was like, it's literally I can hear the bells. I was like, I can hear the bells.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

I was going with Charlotte. If you don't have it now, you're never will.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

But um in the rehearsal room, I got well, I opened up the wrong sheet music. So you all you all knew the words, and I was singing all sorts. You were being like sheep bop, and I was being shoot boo, and I was like, How do you all know the words? You were like, we've got the sheet music, and I was like, oh, I don't have that sheet music. Yeah. So I was just um doing my own little tank, improvising. So that was fun.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

It was the um reminiscing one, wasn't it? And you were going, ooh, that was it. And I was like You were like reminiscing. I was like, I was like, what is just giving vocal?

SPEAKER_00 5:22

She's a vocal queen. Stop, love it. So talk to me. What um where did you train? I actually don't know where you trained.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

So or did you train? I did train. Okay. I did train. Um, not as long as most people, I'm I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Love this.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Um I did a very short stint at Lane Theatre Arts.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

No way!

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

You're a lane girly.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Oh, you left. I did leave. Okay. Yeah, so I was there under a year. It was on the three-year course.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

You were on the three-year music theatre course, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Yes, it was on the three-year. What year was this? This was 2021. Oh, so this is during COVID, right? Just after, I believe. And we were still doing the tests up the nose and things.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Oh, so you were going in, but you it wasn't online, but um and I got COVID.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

And I remember I was 16 and I was turning 17. And I was there. I I should not have gone that young. Now looking back, I was it was probably one of those. Hindsight's a beautiful thing. Oh, yeah, and I was like, I need to go at 16. It came from a dancer background. I didn't ever have any singing lessons or actually. Oh, really? No. Completely self-taught, really.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Yeah, and I was a ballet girl and did all my RAD when I was a twelve.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

I remember you saying this um at the con at the cabaret, sorry, that you were a ballet girl. So you did ballet from when you were younger. Yes. I'm sure you are. Oh I can I can fake it till I make it a bit. Darling, I can't even fake it. So you're you're 20 steps ahead of me.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Yeah, I was a proper ballet girl. I started when I was six.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Wow. Yeah. And was that something that you thought that you wanted to do? Like you wanted to pursue ballet?

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Yeah. Really? Until I was gonna audition through ballet school. Wow, raw ballet! I know. What made you not? So when I was 10, getting deep now, guys. Um when I was 10, my mum um was ill at that point. Okay, I'm sorry too. So um she's okay now, but it's kind of been like a long, long journey. So I didn't want to audition then because I was afraid I'd get too homesick.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

Yeah. And then so young.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

And I wouldn't ever if I had kids, I oh god, hello. If I had kids, I wouldn't want to put them through that. Yeah. I think it's too, it's too young. Yeah. Um, and then I think I got to 14 or 15, and I was gonna go for all the ballet schools, and I was at more of a ballet local school at that time.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

And at this point you've still not sung? No. Or you only sing to yourself, or you don't really sing? Yeah, sing to myself. Just sing at home. Singing in my kitchen, yeah, in the shower. A bit of like karaoke on the YouTube show. Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

Mamma Mia, the whole shebang.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Oh, so you were always interested in these schools?

SPEAKER_01 7:53

I think so. Yes. From about the age of 10, I watched Into the Woods when it first came out, the movie. Yes. Um, I didn't know it was a musical at that time. And I was obsessed. I knew the whole witch's prologue by the next day. And my kitchen was going, Greens, greens, nothing but greens, the whole thing. Love it, love it. Yeah, so kind of I was umming an Ring, and I think I turned around to my mum one day at I think 14, 15, and I said, I don't think I want to do ballet anymore.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Was that just a moment of like one day to the next, or was it just like I love it, but do I love it enough to do it full time?

SPEAKER_01 8:26

I think I clocked in my head that I wasn't good enough. Oh. I think that was the realization.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

I thought like the way you're sorry to interrupt you, but even the way you're saying that, you're not even saying it as in a negative mindset, but in like the reality of like where you need to be as a ballet dancer.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Yeah, I wanted more, and I think I knew I could do more than just ballet, and when I'd sing at home, I'd get such a a buzz, and I loved it, and I loved telling stories and being different characters. Yeah. And in ballet, there's an element of acting, of course, or telling a story through movement. Yeah. But it was it hurt, it really hurt. Ballet. You know, wearing point shoes for three and a half hours, it killed. No. Absolutely killed it. That's not for me. Yeah, my muscles, I'd get injured, and it was so many late nights.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Um what's the word? Something on your body. What's the word? It's a lot of it's a lot of pressure to put on your body. Like to be on your tippy tippy toes. I I remember we did it in college. I used to cry. I used to cry at point.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Oh yeah, I did my advanced two. I don't know if you know the Radio. Yeah, R A D, yeah. I did my advanced two, which I think is like the top grade before you go into like professional stuff. Yes. And I think I was 15 and we were doing lockdown ballet classes on Zoom, and I would do one side of the bar, turn around, sob on the other side. And I'd be like, try to do my fungi, like, oh, there's hard. No, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. And I've never done that in singing. So I think I think it was a sign to me that it was just not meant to be.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Fab.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

So so I love ballet. I can't. You still love it? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

That's great. But you haven't lost your love for it.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

It's just not something that you wanted to solely pursue. No, and my friends that still do more ballet now, I'm like, wow, like I wish. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

I've seen um, I can't remember what I saw, but in Plymouth Theatre Royal this like gorgeous um ballet show, and I just remember thinking, How? How? Yeah, it's it's it's so insane. Yeah, it's so elegant. I mean, it's far from what I was thinking, guys. Trying to give it a double pirouette. Um, yeah, not for me. Um, so when did singing come into this? So obviously you said you sang at home. Yes. And then what made you go? I want to audition for musical theatre school. And so you went to Lane.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

I went to Lane for a little while, shall we say. Yeah. And it is an amazing place. It wasn't right for me at that time. Okay. Um, and I think because it's also very there's a big dance focus at Lane and the dances are extraordinary. And I was kind of there and I loved the singing and I loved the acting. And I met an amazing acting coach there called Brynn. Um I'm still in touch with him, actually. That's a cute. Yeah, that's reminded me.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Maybe he can watch the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Um, and I had another singing teacher, and I was like, this is what I want to do. And it was Brynn that said to me, If you like, I I love Meryl Streep, and I knew it would come up in this college. I can't go anywhere without talking about her. Oh really? Yeah, and he'd worked with Meryl Streep. 16-year-old me, I was a diehard fan. I was like, Do you work with Meryl Streep? You know, and he said, If you want to be the next Meryl Streep, you're in the wrong place. I really, and from that moment on was it like a shift, and you were like Yeah, and a combination of homesickness, living away from home, struggling with anxiety, like don't wheel, and my mum as well. I was like, I've got to leave. It's all too much, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

That's great though, like I love because there's this such pressure to do three years at college and to go down like a certain avenue, and there's some people that don't go to college that are like absolute West End Wendy's, and it's you don't have to take the same route as everyone else, like the conventional route.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

Um yeah, and Lane were brilliant, they were very, very supportive. Um that's good to hear. Yeah, I was in touch with them for a good couple years afterwards. Oh wow. Yeah. Oh wow, that's great. Yeah, and obviously I then ended up training at London School Musical Theatre. LSMT! Yes! Oh my gosh, LSMT!

SPEAKER_00 12:36

Because you know Kaya. I do. Yes, that just that just clicked. Um Kaya. Uh how do I know Kaya? Yeah, we did West NMT together. Hi Kaya, hope you listen. Um, yes, so you and that's a one-year course, right? One year intensive musical theatre training. It's that is in London, right? Yeah, it's in the borough. I know it says it in the title, but I just had to make sure. Yes, yeah. Central, central, central. And how did you find that? Because I'm thinking like a one-year course, right? They must cram three years into one year.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

It's I think the school, and they do advertise this, which I think is really important. It's not a school if you want to learn how to do musical theatre and to sing and to dance and to act. It's a school, I've I believe, and it's designed for people that have already had the training and just need that extra push. Because didn't Kaya do that? Didn't she train somewhere else?

SPEAKER_00 13:33

Have I made that up? Yes, I think she did. I've heard people say that about that school, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Yeah, and I knew I did my A levels when I left Lane and I came back. I did a musical theatre course at school, and it did the job and it got me more experience. Yeah, we did um legally blonde, and that was El Woods, you know. Yeah. T I know, yeah, and I was Elwood. My Emmett, I think, was like 16 or 17, and I was 19. I was like, it's giving something. It's giving illegal. Um, but it it worked, and that was on. Yeah, we move on from that. Um Lewis, love you if you're watching. Um and so I did that, and then I auditioned for LSNT, and at the time I thought I'm not gonna be able to afford this because there was no loans. Yeah, it's an expensive industry. And I was very, very, very lucky to this day, and I would not have gone without this, but I was given a scholarship to go.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Wow, that's amazing. That gave me shivers.

unknown 14:32

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Sorry, that gave me shivers. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, so David Grindrod, I owe you my Wait, what? Yeah. What do you mean, David Grinrod? So Andrew Lloyd Webber Foundation, I was on their scholarship for LSNT and David Grinrod auditioned me for it. Wow, that is what a remarkable story. Yeah, and I kept it so quiet at drama school because I I didn't want to be that person, and I just wanted to come in, and everyone was like, How did you pay for the course?

SPEAKER_00 15:02

And I was like, um no. Oh, it's so awkward. Oh, it's just making sick. Anything to do with like money and stuff, like just it's no one else's business.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

How I talk as well, people think I'm from money, it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Because she's uh she's well, you sound a little bit posh, I can't lie. Compared to me, I sound right, Colin, compared to you. I love it though, I want to be more well more well spoken.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Well, my dad's a northerner and my mum is just the Hertfordshire girls. I don't know how I talk like this. I really don't. And to be fair, my Hertfordshire side comes out. If I had a drink or two, oh really? Yeah, I'm like, hello guys, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 15:38

I can't imagine. Oh, I am I can't imagine. So when did you graduate? So you went to college 2021, so you must graduate in 2022. Um, so that was that was Lane, sorry. Yeah. Rewind.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

I'm a recent grad, uh, 2025.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

No way.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Yeah, I'm a baby. Baby in the industry.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Oh my gosh. Wow. So you graduated literally last July? Yes. How are you finding it?

SPEAKER_01 16:03

What's your thoughts? Oh, it's bloody hard. It is. It's really hard. It is, it is. And I think But you've got an you've got an agent, and you've got a regular. And I changed agents. Oh, you did? I changed agents. So I was with another agency, and they're a very, very good agency, very known in the business.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

And it wasn't working for me, like personally. Yeah. And I think at the time I thought I need to give it a year, I need to stay, you know, see how it goes. And I thought, you know what? No. And I was in hospital at the time, had my appendix out. Oh my gosh, it's all going on. Yeah, it's been a bit of a weird year, to be honest. Yeah, and I was in hospital and I thought, no, I need to change.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

It sounds like you're very good at intuition and like listening.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

I don't always trust it though. I don't always trust it.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

But it sounds like you do.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Yeah, I never know if it's anxiety or if it's just my gut telling me something's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Well, has it worked out with the decisions you've made? It has. Then I would say that's your gut.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Yeah, and it was a nice clean, you know, they were very good about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

That's another thing as well. Like in this industry, it's with the agents and stuff, like you have to find an agent that works well for you as well as you working well for them. Like it really is a it really is a team job.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

And sometimes some of the biggest agencies might not suit someone.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

No, and I went with a name. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Rather than what you felt like in the interview.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yes. And Chloe was one of my original offers. Oh, no way. Yeah, and sorry, Chloe.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

I went oops! Oopsies! But it all worked out in the end.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

It did, it did, and I'm just very grateful that she was a little bit more. Oh, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Sometimes I think everything happens for a reason, and you were obviously supposed to be sitting here right now being with Chloe. That is funny though that like she offered you you went with someone else, and you're back with her. Like I really think that actually it is meant to be.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Yeah. I really do believe in stuff like that. And the whole time I was sat at home thinking, oh, I should have done that. You felt it within your gut. Yes. Yeah, and then a weight gun just lifted off.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Amazing. I'm so glad it worked out in the end. Um, so next up we have our segment called Backstage Drama. Um I say it different every week. That was a weird way of saying it. That's okay. Um, I would like you to tell me, if there is anything, um, the most unhinged thing you've ever done to get in the room. Have you got one?

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Yeah. Do tell, go on. I lied about my age. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. Well I got I got in for it, but then they realized. Um Hold up, wait, what? So who what was it for? Can you say who what was for? Uh I think so. Um I'll just say it was for a TV show. Okay. It was for a TV show and it was the search for the next character in a TV show.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Oh fine. Okay, we all know one of those. We know what a websack in a bat.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

And you did you have to be a certain age bracket then? I think so, yes. Uh were you too young? Yes. By not to be too young again. I'm always too old now. I'm either too tall or too young. Babe, I'm five foot two with big, big titty gems. So um I thought you're I thought you're playing with a miscellaneous. It all went to height. It went to height. Um, so you lied about your age. I'm obsessed.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

And I got a call when I was in my school library, and they said, Oh, we'd like you to come in for a screen test and meet the producer, and I was like, Great, cool.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Oh my gosh, did you not have anxiety going in?

SPEAKER_01 19:40

No. I thought you only lived once. And I I hadn't got into LSNT. I thought you hadn't got into L SNT at this point. I thought, so if I, you know, I was about to swear then, if I mess it all up, you know, it's not like my career's gone anywhere. So I thought, nothing to lose.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

So at what point did you well did they find out that you weren't the age that you said? They read my CV. Oh, so when did you not lie on your CV? I lied on the application and then forgot to change my CV. That is so funny. I wonder if if you had changed it on your CV, how far in the process you would have got.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

I don't know, but then actually looking at the final show, I I I'm kind of glad I didn't because I'd have been like, oh, I needed I needed some training before doing that.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

Everything works out.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

I would say, I would have said the wrong thing and it ended up on a cut and I love that though.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

That is a chance to do that. That is quite unhinged. I've heard so many stories of like um people saying that I mean I've never done it, I'm not brave enough, but people saying um people editing someone else's invite to an audition and putting their name, and then they go, they go, and say, like, oh, I've got a slot, and they're like, oh let me just write that down. Yeah, we don't have you on the list. Stop. They're like, oh, we don't have you on the list, sorry, we'll get you in, and then they get in. How crazy is that? That is something I could brave. Never brave. I could never do that. I could never ever do that. Um, have you ever sent an embarrassing email? I've not, but I'm sure I will.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

There's still time. It's yet to come.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

I kind of want to talk about the not so glim, glim, the not so glitz and glam about the industry. Um what is one of the hardest bits? I mean, I know you've only just graduated, but like of your year so far or eight months so far, what's been something that you wish you knew uh before graduating, or something that you were like, oh, this is really hard, and I actually didn't realise it was gonna be like this, or something of that sort.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

I'd say probably networking. Yes, that's a really good answer. People often say, and I've had it my whole life, people have said it's not about what you know, it's about who you know. Yeah, and it has never felt more applicable. Yes. Um and because some

SPEAKER_00 22:00

People are really brave enough to just send like my brother, for instance, like he's so good at like talking to people, and he'll just happily be like, Oh, let's meet for a coffee. And I'm like, I could never do that.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

No, I mean, no, I couldn't. I was gonna say, I mean, I could, but I'm if I'm in the room, I can chat to anyone, oh yeah, and I can keep a conversation going and it'll be fine. But I know quite a few of my friends are in people's DMs a lot, and oh really, yeah, and for some of them it's working, and then other people I've spoken to have said, Oh, we don't like that.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

It's a really hard one to navigate because you don't want to seem fake. You don't want to seem fake, you don't want to seem too much, you don't want to seem not keen. Like, there's so many factors, which is why I always say just be yourself and whatever happens, happens. Yeah, like try not to force it. Like, obviously, it's good, like uh you were saying that you're going to um before the podcast we were talking about, you say you're going to a London theatre runway workshop. That's a great way to network, but it's an organic way, exactly. And for people that don't know, that's like um are you doing a singing one? Yeah, yeah. So basically you get up and sing in front of a casting director and they'll give you feedback. But that's a really great way of networking as per, but they see you in an organic way because you're like, here's what I can do. And I've known people been like pulled in for auditions after that, so it can help. But I know I also know a few of them are like, don't take this as an audition because they do say, Yeah, don't take this as an audition, it's not, yeah, because it can be seen as paying your way into a room. Yeah, but of course, like subconsciously, maybe not subconsciously, they're gonna remember you or know that they've seen you. Do you know what I mean? So that's a really great, great way of networking, but not being like, hey, do you want to meet? I don't know you, you don't know me, let's chat. There's also the social media side of things as well, which I was speaking to Charlotte on my um last week's podcast.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

There's that whole pressure there as well, um, of getting out the right content. Is it do people want content creators?

SPEAKER_01 24:09

I guess it's so hard, and I think I'm seeing so many casting announcements go up, and I know that they're all profiles.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Oh, really? Like they've got like a lot of followers inside.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Yeah, and they're all great, and I'm like, oh, is that what I need to do now?

SPEAKER_00 24:23

And I just don't know where to start. I get you. I I do, I know what you mean because I've like tried to go down the whole TikTok route, and um I'm just not consistent with it, if I'm honest. I find it really hard to stay consistent.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Yeah, there's an algorithm, isn't there?

SPEAKER_00 24:39

There is, and it's it's you have to work out who your audience is, at what time, etc. I like it really is a job, like it really is. Um but I do know what you mean. I feel like yes, I feel like it's not needed, but it's obviously helpful. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Well, like it's not needed, like But if you do have a following, of course.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and I just really hope that it doesn't go too far the social media route. I I hope that people are still using Spotlight and things to cast.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

So, like, are you talking like if there is a world in which spotlight doesn't exist, then we have to do so no I've already seen I've already seen certain casting directors more in screen though, not so much empty.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

And them saying, Oh, Instagram or um spotlight for casting, and they're like, Oh, we use Instagram a lot now.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Oh really? I've never heard that. Yeah, I've never heard of like submitting yourself, not submitting yourself through Instagram, but like subbing through an Instagram video type thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Yeah, and just them being on, I don't know, like what's the equivalent of an Instagram like for you page?

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Oh, like a hashtag type thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Yeah, yeah, and casting director seeing someone's video pop up and they go, oh they just want to do that.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Oh, I hope that doesn't happen because I do think to like maintain a social media presence is very hard. So hard. It's not for everyone, not everyone wants to be online, you know what I mean? Like great. We work in jobs as well, you know. Yeah, that's another thing. Like, what do you do as a job?

SPEAKER_01 26:16

I work at a nursery. Yes, I remember this. Do you enjoy it? I absolutely love it. Yeah, I mean, I don't do the long days because they're amazing where I work and they allow me to work afternoons and evenings. Oh, amazing. So if I have a self-tape come up or an audition, I can just film it or get it done in the middle.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Oh my god, I'm real.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Yeah, they're great and they're very flexible as well. So I just work bank.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Oh my god, amazing. So you can just be like, oh, I can work like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday next week.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

It's it's great.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Then I work with babies and it's it's um to work with children. Pays good. Yeah, yeah, pays good because I used to be a nanny and I was like, oh, this is another sector that I didn't know existed that pays well.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Children earn.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah, children and I mean we are in charge of their lives, so I can imagine.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

Um, sorry, just to swing back to um what we were saying, the no glitz and no glam, on the opposite side of that, a more joyful side of the industry. Um, what is something that you found that has happened since graduating that is a bit of a pinch me moment for you that you're like, oh, I can't believe this happened.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Probably the cabaret. Chloe's cabaret. Wasn't that so special? And it came so unexpectedly. Yeah. I think I'd been struggling quite a lot just knowing and like navigating, I guess, the world since the graduation bubble. Yes. You know, being in drama school.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

That's a real uh contrast from like graduating to real worlds.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

It wasn't until I think term five, the last term LSMT, and things got real. Oh really? Yeah, and they were very much kind of being more realistic. Um, because I think we all went in a little bit naive, not realizing how hard it would be.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

Yeah, yeah. Wow, okay, that's really interesting because a lot of the people that I spoke to, and from like my kind of experience, college scare you, and then you go out and it's much nicer than what they tell you. But you kind of had the opposite. They were kind of like you were going in a bit like, oh, it's gonna be fab, and they're like I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

They were very LSNT is uh they'cause they call it professionals and training, so it's there's no kind of how do I say this about swearing?

SPEAKER_00 28:31

There's no There's no sugar coat in it, yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Right, they're very like very real and this is what it's gonna be like, and you're gonna have to find what works for you, and that's what I like. That's great advice. They're very big, they're about making sure that you own exactly what you can do and know what's different about you. Because I think a lot of other drama schools, they especially the ones with big years, they are churning out talent that's all quite you know the same. Whereas LSMT, no individual's the same.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Oh really? That's so interesting.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

And there's only we only had 32 in our year.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

I mean, I I didn't even know what it's like. I I graduated in 2017, which is like eight years ago now, so I don't even know. I was in year seven. That's crazy. Um, we're just gonna move past that. Because I feel old. I had to, I had to. But yeah, no, I I don't even know much about drama schools nowadays, but I just remember we had the fear struck in us, like like they're gonna make you tap on the spot. That give us your best kick. I'd love that on the spot. A love tap, yeah. And we did like we like practice that, like in front of the class, they'll be like, right, can you give me an eight bar, um, an eight count tap, please? And not in tap shoes, and and then you go out and the industry's like not like that. Like the room is like really nice.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

We had the same, we had an amazing teacher called Greg, Greg Davidson, he's great. Shout out, yeah. Love you, Greg. And um, I love a lot of people in this podcast, so I've realised.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

We're full of love.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Yeah, we're full of full of love.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Yeah, well, it's February. We just had Valentine's Day, yeah. Us single queens. Yeah. Well No, I don't want to jinx it, I don't want to jinx it. We'll move on because you might be watching this. After the podcast, you might be watching this. Wow. Okay, I'm single. Fine. Well, I am technically.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Um, but what was I saying? I've got distracted now. Oh, we just do it with Greg. Greg was singing. Oh yes, sorry. So we'd do we'd go around in like a circle, we'd have to riff in front of the rim on our own. Oh no. And everyone would sing a bit of a song. We'd do like do the circles of my feet. Like that one, and we'd have to And everyone would have to do like a different riff. Yeah, and you'd have to be riffing on your own in the centre. Yeah. And I'd be like, I wanna praise you!

SPEAKER_00 30:45

Like all that sounds like my idea of hell.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Oh, it was for me at the start, and then I loved it towards the end. Instruments out.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

I suppose everyone's kind of really supportive, and they're like, yeah, you like sing like flat or something. Oh, yeah, you don't know what's gonna come out, but no one can do that.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

All the stuff that or the stuff that I produced, I just hope they were part deaf the whole room. Like some of it was tragic.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Honestly, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Oh, and what is that preparing you for though? Just in the room, I think if you just asked to do anything, we'd have to stand there as well, and we'd each have to do a scale to the ninth with an octave leap and just go round, and then we'd do like a a major triad and turn it into a minor. I don't even know what that means. I honestly don't even know what that means. If you like sing a, I don't know, like a C chord. Right. Um, and yeah, C Wow. Do you play? Um I've just started learning the clarinet. Why is that so cute? Why is that so cute? Oh no. Oh that's so nice. Yeah, I only have 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Listen, actamuso. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

I mean I'm a beginner, but we'll work on it.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

I'm sure you'll pick up fast. Love that. Yeah. So we are going into our final segment of the podcast. Um, it's called the Five Minute Kill. And um basically it's just, I want to give you five minutes or so just to like talk to me about your dreams, your goals, how you're gonna get there. Okay. Um they don't have to be big, they could be small. Just yeah, like dream roles, dream show, like what you want to gain out of this industry, thoughts, feelings, concerns.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

Oh okay. Well, I'd have to say, can I say like a dream roll? Yeah, cushion. Okay. Dream roll, and this changed at drama school. I went in being like, I want to be Mary Poppins. And I still do. I was gonna say, you give me Mary Poppins. Yeah, my whole time at drama school I sang two songs. One of them was Gimme Gimme. Nice, yeah, a bit basic. And the other one was I'm practically perfect in every way. Yeah, sang that the whole It's on my spotlight actually. Is it? Yeah. Link below in the description. Mary Popps. Um so one of them was Mary Poppins, and then I went to watch cabaret, and it kind of changed my life. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I had a teacher at the time, Fenton, who was in it and he's playing her shorts, and I watched it with my friend Lewis Minor, minor in Legally Blonde. Oh, that Lewis.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Yeah, and now your dream role is in cabaret, Sally Bowers. Wow. Dream role.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

I mean, it would be hard because I think there's a lot of people waiting for that. Who did you see as your Sally? I saw Hannah.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Oh yeah. I saw um Brisha Wallace, and she was incredible.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Oh, I'd love to have seen. She was great. Um There's been so many now. Oh yeah. I want to see the new one as well. Rhea Norwood was in it as well.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Yes. She's fab. I didn't see her, but I I know she's fab. Yeah, and I saw Rob Madge, honestly. Unreal. Yeah. Unreal. Yeah. They're so good, man. They're so good. Yeah, they are amazing. Love. So, um, any so your dream show is cabaret anymore?

SPEAKER_01 33:55

Oh, I'd love to be in Mamma Mia just for the just the fun.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Who would you play, Mamma Mia? I actually don't know Mamma Mia that well.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

I'd love to be a Sophie.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

Sophie. I'd love to be a Sophie.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Or well in the Friends.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Yeah. Just ensemble. I'll take anything at this point. I'll take the tree or the door. I will I will take anything.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Oh, I love that. Yeah. Girl, you got time. You've only just graduated. I'm sure there's many auditions for Mamma Mia coming your way.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

And another show that I am I couldn't play her because I'm not Jewish. Um, but Trina in Falsettos. Oh, I don't know it at all. Oh, it's amazing. Really? There's actually a whole pre-shot on YouTube. You should go and watch it.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

That we don't condone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

It's a pre-shot.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Oh! Oh! I believe. Sorry. I I thought you meant like a. Yeah, that's what I thought you meant. A bootleg.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

I think it is an actual pre-shot, like the legally blonde one with Libelle. I think it is actually a bootlegged. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Totally got that wrong. My bad.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Yeah, and Andrew Reynolds and Christian Brawl are stuff on J Block.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Oh, okay, amazing. Gorgeous, gorgeous. Um, and the final question. Questra. Question. The final question. Um, the final question um is a listener question. Thank you so much for your questions, guys. Um, how do you stay motivated um when you're not auditioning?

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Routine. Routine, routine, routine.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

Yeah, I go out running quite a lot. Wow, I'm not that girly. I really wish I was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

And I'm saying this, I haven't been on a run in quite a while, but I I will do it.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

But you like to stick to a routine?

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Yes. If I don't have I have ADHD, so if I don't have routine, I'm in bed all day, like no motivation, nothing. And then the anxiety creeps in, so I have to keep doing. Yeah. And then I have to schedule a day off for rest. I always use schedule. Yes, on Saturdays, my rest days, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

She's here on her rest day. I appreciate it. Oh, yeah, I am. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I feel honoured with the Capitol Command Crystal Palace just to do a podcast with you. Well, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Um, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you, and thank you so much for giving me your rest day. Thank you for having me. You've loved every minute. Rosanna Vasca. Thank you so much for listening, guys. Uh, please like, subscribe, and comment wherever you listen to your podcasts. Thank you so much, and see you next week.