Samuel Murray; Bonnie & Clyde chats with our very own Clyde Barrow | Life In The Wings

Hosted By Charlotte Neale. In this week's episode we chat to Samuel Murray who played Clyde Barrow in 'Bonnie & Clyde'. We chat all things behind the scenes to what it was like landing a dream role. X 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Hi guys and welcome back to Life in the Wings Podcast. We were just doing a little warm-up there. A bit of a bat bat, a bit of a ah-a. Um sorry. Exactly that. I have my wonderful friend Samuel Murray in the studio today. Studio, my living room. Nice. What? What living room? There's no TV or sofa in this room.

SPEAKER_02 0:32

Five-star studio. What are you talking about? I have the jeans. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Uh thank you so much for coming onto the pod.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Thank you for having me. How are we today? Thank you so much. I'm so good. How are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:41

I thanks for asking.

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Of course, always. It's so good to see you again.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

And we actually just saw each other the other day. Well, you just had a snapshot at Archer Street and we watched him. Archer Street so. Oh my god, I we let's put a pin in that because I've I want to tell the story of the Okay. Yeah. Okay.

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We can tell some Archer Street stories.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Yes. And I yeah, okay. So we're gonna go into a quick fire round.

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Awesome.

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AKA the 16 bar cart. I like that. Okay.

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Okay. No pressure.

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It's literally just gonna be this or that question. Just the first thing that comes to your mind or the first thing that you're like, yep, this. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Are you ready?

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Yeah. Let's do it. Don't be so good. Let's do it.

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Um, okay, musical or play?

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Musical.

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Fringe or West End?

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West End.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

That was tricky for you, right? Yeah, it was. 32 bar cut or full song?

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32 bar cut.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

I thought you were gonna say full song then. I was like, Yeah, me too.

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I did think I was gonna say that.

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Rejection or being ghosted?

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Rejection.

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As in front casting directors, by the way, not like dating.

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Rejection all the way.

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Rejection. Uh dancing round or movement call.

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Movement call.

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Didn't even have to finish the question. Uh golden age or contemporary show? I was really wondering with this one with you.

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The thing is, oh I don't know.

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Tricky, right?

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I'm gonna say contemporary. I thought you might. I'm gonna say contemporary. But do you like singing golden age? Lovely. It's wonderful. Oh yeah. It's classics. Oh yeah, I love listening to it.

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Do I like singing it?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Interesting. I think I used to like singing it more.

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Did you sing a lot of it at college?

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Especially in first year. Boy, they drew all that into your head.

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Yeah.

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I do miss it a bit.

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Um and then the last one, just for a fan one, uh do you prefer your Christmas? Your your Christmas? Do you prefer Christmas or your birthday?

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Christmas.

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Me, too. Christmas.

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Christmas is like a whole month. Birthday's just one day. Unless you like making like.

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People have like birthday months.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like a birthday week. Yeah, not. I've had a birthday week before. Have you had a birthday week?

SPEAKER_00 2:51

I am so low-key with my birthday. Really? Yeah, no, no, no, I'm really low-key. Like I I find it's weird because I'm like, I I feel like I don't like the attention, but also like low-key do like the attention. But also I find because a lot of my friends are different friendship groups and all from when I feel we come together for a meal or something, I feel like, or a party, I feel there's a lot of pressure to like make sure everyone's okay. I get you. That's what I don't like about birthdays. So I'd rather just have like five people around my house have a little takeaway in games. Yeah. That's the best one. Do you know what I mean? That's why I like it, like maybe my family as well, like very low-key.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. No, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Let's get into the podcast. Let's go. So first of all, you're Samuel Murray, but actually, you just told me that your actual name, Murray's your middle name.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Murray's my middle name.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

And you're Samuel Anderson.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

Samuel Anderson.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

But was it taken on Spotlight?

SPEAKER_02 3:44

It was. It was. It was actually a guy from Mountview a few years back. Yeah, yeah. Do you know him? No. Or just let you deal with him. I think he's been on Doctor Who. I know that.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Okay, Samuel Anderson, I'm gonna go to the show. Wherever you are. Wherever you are, congratulations.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Congratulations for taking my name.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

So you ended up being Samuel Murray. Yeah. And I just see him as a Samuel Murray now.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

I know. I've I've I've accepted it. It's cool.

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I've accepted that's who I am.

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I've accepted the big change. The big change.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

So you trained at, as we've said, Mountview. Mountview. And you graduated last year. 2025.

SPEAKER_02 4:21

Yeah. 2025 like April? April? May? June? July? It's it's weird.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

How yeah, how how was that?

SPEAKER_02 4:30

I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

It was wonderful. It was really good. I think being a year nearly a year out is really weird. It's very weird already.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

What was the transition like for you? Because obviously you go from everyday training, also socializing with the same people every day, to then being out in like the big wide world. Also, fun fact, Sam was at Mountview with his brother, who was a year below, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Still there. Oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Shout out Joel.

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Joel. Hey Joel.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

How also how was that? Like I remember when you first told me, I was like, what? Like you were literally training with your brother. Like that's cool, because you guys are really close, right?

SPEAKER_02 5:09

We are very close. He's two years below me, so we are quite close in that aspect. Um I think I think that's why a year out is so weird, because he's a way to finish as well. Yeah. Like it only feels like he joined a year ago. And the thing is, what's funny, he didn't even want to come to Mount View. Oh really? Because I was there. He didn't want to be the younger brother. Oh, I see. But he's taller than me. He didn't want to be a little bit more than a little bit more. And he's a lot louder than me. He's a lot louder than me. He's a lot more like that.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Yes, you're you're very like with all respect. Yeah, yeah. Where he's kind of like, shut up!

SPEAKER_02 5:45

And he nearly he nearly went to Conte. He nearly went to Italy Conte.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

I nearly went to Italy Conte. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was literally between Italy Conti and Performers. And just at the time I put Performers. So what made him pick Mount View then if not not me doing a podcast with you, but we're like so Joel, like what made him pick up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Joel, what did make you pick?

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What made him pick that?

SPEAKER_00 6:05

If if he was concerned.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

He he loved the he just loved the environment, he loved the teachers. I think he liked that the dance call for Mountview was easier than the dance call for Conte. Got you. From memory. And there's a rooftop bar on top of Mountview.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Is there? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

Well there was at the time. They shut it down, but a new one's opened up.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

So you obviously went to the the new build, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Yeah, I never saw the old building. I can't remember where it was.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

It was in um Wood Green. Wood Green. It was in Wood Green.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

I heard lots of stories about that building.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Well uh no offense to anyone that lives in Woodgreen, but I felt very unsafe in that area. But then again, I feel unsafe anywhere in the world.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

But then the new one's in Peckham. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

So it doesn't get sense. It's not that much stuff. But the building is really, really good.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Oh the building's awesome. Yeah. The building, in the best way, it looks like a prison. For like it does, like in the best way. It's it's all grey with these steel bar railings. Oh, yeah. So it gives a vibe of a prison. And I just find it funny because we're all in these studios doing crazy like classes. So it's kind of like a site psychiatric ward.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Welcome to the psych ward. Welcome to theatre training.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

But it's I've done a few workshops there.

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And the studios are they're wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

And I feel it does have a really nice energy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Like it feels very like family oriented. It doesn't feel doesn't have this like it feels like.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

There's not very yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

It does feels like there's no no tension there. So you had a good time training there?

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Yeah, I loved it. I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

And did you graduate with an agent? How did that all go? Because oh, in your third year, you was it in your third year you did Spring Awakening? Yes. And you played Morritz.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

I was Mahitschtiful.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

You are su Morritch.

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Mohitful.

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You are such a Morritz. How was that?

SPEAKER_02 7:53

It was it was incredible. It was really fun. I'm not gonna lie, I didn't know Spring Awakening at all before. Like I knew it, but I didn't know it.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

So I actually did um Spring Awakening for my third game musical as well. And I was the exact same. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

I probably did. I probably did.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

I wasn't gonna out you, but we have had this conversation. But listen, it's not important. Keep that on the pocket. I was I was kind of the same. I had I knew of it, but I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

There was never one that I was at, oh yeah, Spring Awaken. So when I found out we were doing it, I was like, okay, cool. And then the day that we found out the cast, I was actually really scared at the start, if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

Were you?

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Yeah, Moritz is just so intense.

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And complex.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very, very much so. And a lot of very difficult themes to like explore, which was at the time very scary. I I'm not gonna lie, the day of I was like, oh, oh dear, oh dear. But then I was cast with my flatmate and best friend Lewis.

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We love Lewis, who's currently uh second cover Marius at Le Mes.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

He is, he is. We love you. She'll be doing a show right now. Double show. Two doshe. Oh, is it a Tudosche?

SPEAKER_00 9:07

Oh yes, it is, it's a Thursday.

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So I was so I was cast with him, he was Melchior, which I was really excited about.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Oh my gosh, what a parent.

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Which I mean, we weren't actually set in the same cast yet, but we knew we were gonna be together.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Oh double cast.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was double cast. The other Moritz, who was my flatmate at the time, Sasha, and the other Melchior, they also got on really well. So I was like, they're gonna put us together. Yeah. But it was incredible. Spring Awake name was awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

It was uh Did you see the um they did was it like a 10th anniversary? Oh yeah. Did you see it?

SPEAKER_02 9:42

No.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

So I I also did it, but I worked it because I worked for the Bass at the time.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Where was it?

SPEAKER_00 9:47

It was at um the Victoria, is it Victoria Palace where Hamilton was? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Was this the one with um JB Muscat? Yeah, and Jack was it Jack Wolfe? Uh Jack Wolf. Yeah. Oh, so he he went to Mount View. Jack Wolf. Yeah. So he came over there. No, no, no, no, not when I was there. But he came to see our production of Spring. And I didn't know. Did I know? I didn't know. And then we were on the stage and we brought the mics and we're just saying this beer chubb living, and he's just right there looking on and I was playing Moritz that day, which was crazy. Oh my god, I was a bit like but he's got such a beautiful, calming presence and face. Like he was literally just sad.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yeah, he seems very I I mean I don't know him, but I just recently went to see Jamie Muscat in concert. If you can't tell I'm a huge Jamie Muscat fan. I just voice just does something to my ears.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Oh, it's incredible, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 10:48

It was incredible. And Jack Wolfe was a guest.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Oh and I didn't know. Did they sing Spring stuff to go?

SPEAKER_00 10:54

No, they sang uh Um Yeah the cafe that I need in the morning.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Oh, okay. That's quite niche.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Daniel Caesar for her, I think it's called.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

Um I don't know that.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Did they sing that? Yeah, they did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure they did. Um Impeccable. And he seems like both of them actually, they're just right very cool.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

But they did, because he was melkier when Jack Wolf was Moritz, wasn't he? Is that how they know each other? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Oh, I think they might have seen it.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Which is like stars like the end of B all casting. Yeah. I think for Spring. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Like, and even just like be a part of the room. I I like I wasn't in the auditorium when I was working there, but I kept like nitting. You kept looking through. Yeah, literally, it was amazing. Um so you graduated from college.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

And we know shake it off. Um so Sam and I know each other because we both did Bonnie and Clyde.

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Bonnie and Clyde.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

That's so weird because I every day in my head I'm just like Bonnie and Clyde. Like, I don't know why that just rings in my ears. It's such a catchy. Musical. No, it is.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

It's like you don't get bored of the songs. No. Unless you do.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

So Sam played Clyde.

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I did.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

And was unreal. Uh but before we talk about that, you so you've done Bonnie and Clyde, you played Dandini and Cinderella in your home. Which was really cool. Aberdeen. How was that? Aberdeen. It was it was it was fun.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

It was really fun. It was uh it was such a joy to be back home for a job. That was very special.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

And was that your first panto?

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Yes, it was. How was that?

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Because I feel like when you graduate from college, I feel like everyone wants to do a panto, right? Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those things where it's like I just want to experience it, even if it's just pants. Did you have the best time?

SPEAKER_02 12:42

I did. I always knew that a pantos audition was gonna come round eventually, but I never thought the first one would be the one that I've watched since I was like ten.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Oh my god, of course it was. Yeah, because it's your home theatre, that would have been one that you've gone with your family.

SPEAKER_02 12:57

I've just grown up watching this panto. Wow and the guy who was the dame, Alan McHugh, we love Alan, he he writes the panto as well as being in it. Yes, I remember. And he's been doing that since I was young, so yeah, it was uh it was a one-round audition, and when my agent phoned me saying, No, you got it, I was like, This is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

Sorry, but one round audition, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

I know you should great. When does that ever happen? Wow, it was wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

And the nice thing because I actually went and watched Sam in it.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Um You did, you came all the way.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

I did, because at And I never believed you. No, let me tell this story. So when we're at Bonnie and Clyde, um, three of us from the cast said that we were gonna go see Sam, and Sam literally straight away was like, No, you're not, and we were like, No, we we will. And he was like, I've had many people say, like, oh, they'll come watch me, duh da da da, but they don't. And I'm the type of like person when I say something, I do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we were gonna do like a little girls' trip and go over, and um the other two girls, we basically our dates didn't match up, so them them two went. And I'm the type of person was stopping you guys. Nothing was stopping you guys, nothing was, and I thought to myself, Well, I don't not want to go because they can't do like the same dates that I can do. Yeah, and I was like, a part of me was like, Is it weird if I just go by myself? But then I just thought, oh who cares? Like, I actually don't care what society thinks. I've said to Sam, I want to go see him in the show, I'm flying to Aberdeen, babe.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

You had a wee trip and everything.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

I had a wee trip, yeah, and it was uh obviously it was Christmas. I saw the Christmas market.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

Was it snowing when you were there?

SPEAKER_00 14:30

No, it wasn't, thank God.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

But I went to if anyone ever goes to Aberdeen, what's the Fisher Village?

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Um Peter Heads. No, no, no, no, no. Stonehaven.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

No, it's like I apparently when I said it's a fish village. There's like a fishing village and they have like loads of fishermen's houses.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

The fish village!

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Yeah, it's called like when I was saying it, they said that I was harsh saying it.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Oh really? Oh Tori. Was it Tori?

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Tori.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

Tori. Tori. Tori. It was it was something like that. Okay. Why what would I have said that? Well, you probably went, Tori. And then they were like, no, it's Tori. Was it that? It was Tori. I don't know. I feel like we're gonna say it was Tori.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Let's say it was Tori. We're gonna fact check that after the podcast. If you know, let us know in the comments. But anyway, it was a gorgeous fishing village. But what I was gonna say after my huge tangent is it was so nice, because obviously I'd watch you play Clyde. I knew that you played Moritz. It was so nice to watch you in a comedic role.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Because Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, it was very different.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Because it was very different from what you've done, right? So, how how was that? Because I also had my first experience in a comedic role in Pantera as well.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Yeah, who did you play?

SPEAKER_00 15:42

I played the um not the ugly stepsister, we called her the wicked stepsister, and I had so much fun. It was my first time auditioning for a comedy role, my first time playing a comedy role, yeah, and it was just so different for any from anything that I'd done, and I I feel like that's where like I'd love to go down now because it's so I feel like it's a bit more fun than playing serious characters, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

I feel that comedy to me is the scariest type of stuff to do, personally. Yes. Like I'm I don't know if this is weird, but I'm much more comfortable doing the the like the intense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So doing this, I was I was more nervous for this than like Bonnie and Clyde. That's so really big oh yeah, massively. Massively.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

I just thought really shocks me.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

I think one because it was home and like I know everyone back home. Aberdeen's small.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Oh, is it so you knew that like school friends? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

All the non-theatre people were coming to see this. Right. So we had to deliver, which was already nerve-wracking as it is.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

But then Did you I don't know. Sorry to interrupt, just out of curiosity, because obviously you'd done Bonnie and Clyde before that. Did you have any fans of the show that came to Aberdeen to see you? Do they?

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Oh no, we didn't have any. We didn't have fans like mm you like that came all the way. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

Oh, as then I'm the fan! I thought you meant people fans of me. I was like, darling, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

They came they came to follow you to Aberdeen. They came and followed you. They came following. They sat right behind you to watch me watch the phone and they left when you left.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Got you. Those were the people on the plane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The people at the back, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

No, we didn't have any fans, I'm afraid, coming. They didn't they didn't love me that much.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

But this is a conversation I actually had with my friend yesterday, and um he's really, really funny, like naturally funny. And he also said the same thing that um what who he just played um Khashoggi in his DJ musical. We love and good part. Um, yeah, really good part, and obviously there's a bit of like comic comic relief in it, so obviously that's an intentional.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

That's a crazy show. Every player, everything every part in that's funny in a way, isn't it? It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

And he actually said, even though he's funny in real life, he found that more difficult than playing a serious role because I think it's the pressure of, I don't know if I can say funny any more times, but it's the pressure of someone we need to make someone laugh, so we need to be funny. So it's like the pressure of oh my god, what if I'm not funny? But that's where I said to him, where I remember when I did the first read-through for uh for Panto and it was my first professional job on land, and what I didn't realise is when you go into a house on the first day, you do the read-through, you don't do character work before the read-through. So I was like, wait, how do I know what my character is or whatever? So I was like, do I just do what I did in the audition? So I made the decision I go big or I go home.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

No, you have to, you just have to.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

And I think that's the trick with comedy is you have to do it and you have to let go of any inhibition, yeah, and some things will land and some things won't. And I think that's just it.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

It's better to go crazy and then tone it down. Yeah, you need to then do nothing.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Because there's nothing worse than like when you're trying to say a funny line and then you don't go for it and it's like egg.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

That is the fear because if people don't laugh, it's the worst thing ever. But like when if someone isn't getting when you're upset, like there's no vocal way of showing it. I was gonna say you wouldn't obviously know. But doing the comedy if if if it's not getting across, oh you can smell it. Oh yeah, you could smell it, you could catch it. Feel it in the air, can you? Oh, it's awful.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

It's awful, it's awful.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

I know we can't no one's lying, like we've all had that moment.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Oh god, yeah. Like I've even had it in social scenarios where I'm I'm about to tell you the funniest line, and then I do it, and it's just like crickets, and I'm like, cute. Anyway, so what's the weather like?

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, um, it's been great to see you today. Uh I'm off. I'll see myself out the door. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Um, so you also did um Tim Rice, My Life in Musicals. Oh yeah. Which I had no idea about. Was this during training?

SPEAKER_02 20:04

So this was during training. So uh you were great for in especially in third year getting us opportunities on big stages. Like we did Magic at the musicals at the Albert Hall, which was really fun. Wow. That was incredible. Oh wow. Um, and then we did this. So what was it? Is it a concert? It's a concert. It was a touring concert with Tim Rice and a whole orchestra. Unreal. And uh there was like four like vocalists, and we were just the backing singers.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

I wish I could tell you what we sung. I'm not gonna lie, it was this was like one one rehearsal.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Wait, as in like you can't tell me or you can't.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

No, no, no, no, I can't remember. Oh I actually can't remember.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

I thought you were like, No, I can't tell you, I'm sorry, I can't tell you.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

That's what I thought you meant.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Like, surely it's you've done it, no?

SPEAKER_02 20:49

No, we what did we sing? We did I think we sung backing for like Don't Cry for Me, Argentina. That's a Mavita. We did.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

I just think I know him so well. Did you not? Or was it that just what the title was called?

SPEAKER_02 21:02

That's what the title was called. Uh I was like, wait, did we? Did we did we just speak quiet? Um, you know what? If we did, if we did, we did.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

I was just testing you, Sam.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

No, no, no, thank you. It's good to be tested. I it clearly I remembered it so well. Um but it was fun, it was great. He was on the stage, he was in a lovely pink s pink coat. Um in rehearsals, he was there in rehearsal, he came on loads and would speak about his life and stuff. In rehearsals, this was what was mad for me. We were just on the stage j just like waiting to go over the next song. It was in the palladium, which was incredible. Unreal. To do something at the Palladium was awesome. That's it. As if you've ticked that off already before you graduated. Wasn't even paid. In fact, we did all get paid like ten pounds for it. It was really cute. Ten pounds for another. First professional job. Got me home that night. Got me home.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Literally paid for my train home.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

But uh we were doing the tech run and Our industry guy Neil from Mountain View, who arranges all these things, was on the stage with Tim Rice and then out walks Andrew Lloyd Weber. Sir Andrew Lloyd Weber, whatever you call him, which to me was crazy because that he's my favourite theatre composer. That was mad. I got to like jump down and hug him, but we we were like fire up on the stage. Andrew! Hello! Andrew! Cas me. Cas me and Phantom. Cast me and Phantom. Yeah, or anything for that matter. But that was it. Yeah, it was really cool. It was really nice. Um it was actually a one-night concert, but I think they toured to like Edinburgh as well in a few places. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Cute vibes. Okay, talk to me about Barney and Clark.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Oh, we're gonna be here for a while. Oh, we're gonna be here for a while.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

So for people that don't know, this was your dream role.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

It was. It was one of the top three. I would say one of the top three. I sounded like such a schmuck saying that.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

Talk to me about three.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Talk to me about the audition process. Um, I don't think I actually know about your audition process.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

No, we weren't on the same day, were we?

SPEAKER_00 23:06

No, because they did uh was it like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I made sure I was the last day of one of the last.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Interesting. I wanted to be one of the first. Oh really? I guess it would just works differently. Yeah, doesn't it? So I um I remember very vividly I was on the bus going to Mount View, like third year midterm, and I saw that the a new revival of Bonning Clyde was happening. And Bonnie Clyde's one of my favourite shows. I've wanted to play Clyde for a while now. I remember being back home seeing an amateur production that my auntie was in. I'd be like, oh, this is incredible.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Oh wow, your auntie?

SPEAKER_02 23:46

Yeah, theater runs. She she was my singing teacher back home.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Was she?

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Yeah, she was. I think you might imagine she came to see the show. She came to see the show.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Was she like is she a really cool auntie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I met her, I met her.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

She plays piano and she was your singing teacher. She was my singing teacher. Oh, so it really is in the family. It really is in the family, yeah. Anyway, so she did a an amateur one, and I've just fell in love with it. Like, whenever I wanted to, I could sing it. So this I saw that this production was happening in old Birmingham. We love Birmingham.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Birmingham! Hello, Bab. Birmingham. Is that even a Birmingham? I should say.

SPEAKER_02 24:20

What was that?

SPEAKER_00 24:21

I went, hello Bob. Hello, Bab. That's Birmingham. My family from Birmingham, so I I should probably know.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

I'm sure they're gonna be really tough with that.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

They're gonna be really proud of that. It's only because um I saw Legally Blonde just went to Birmingham and they all got chocolates and it was like, welcome to Birmingham. Bab.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Birmingham Bab. What so is Bab like a thing? Oh yeah, it's a Birmingham lingo. It really isn't.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Yeah, yeah, so my nan used to be like, uh, hello, we Bab.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

Okay. Yeah, yeah, they just call you Babylon. The most knowledge I had of Birmingham before going was Peaky Blinders. They don't say Bab in Peaky Blinders. Do they not?

SPEAKER_00 24:55

I've still not watched it. I need to watch blinders. You should watch it, it's good. I need to watch it.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

It's very good.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

So um audition ads in your inbox.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Yeah, so I well as soon as I got signed with my agent, I was like, Ella I want to be in for this well, uh I was at I want to like I if anything comes out about this, I need to be in for it. I thought it was already cast. Oh so then when I saw it come up on spotlight, I I think I phoned her like three times. No well. Being like, please, please just try and get me in for this. Love it, love that energy. And then yeah, I got um audition, but the auditions were it was like do a tape, it wasn't for a set role. I think. Interesting. What was yours for a set role?

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Mine was for a set role.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

So the first roll, okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

I was originally in for Blanche.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Okay, fair.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

And then when I did my tape, when I got recalled, I got recalled for another role. Which helps me quite a lot, actually. Okay. Maybe my headshot gives different vibes than what I am. Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Maybe they see it and they're like, okay, we could do this, and then when they when you come in that. Yeah, the puzzle changes.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

So you just did a general audience.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

So I just had a tape to do, just general.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Um What did you sing?

SPEAKER_02 26:02

Ice on um Dead or Alive, Bon Jovi. I'm a cowboy. I'm a steel horse, I'm on it.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

But I don't know it, but it sounds very clear. That's good.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Have you watched the Rock of Ages film? I haven't. Tom Cruise sings it in there. Okay. It's very good, watch it. Okay. Um but I was just like, it's uh he says I'm a cowboy, it's Western, like it works. Very literal, love it. So I did that um tape, and then I think it was a week later, they were like, We want to have you in for Clyde.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

I was like, Oh my gosh! Was that like a moment where you're like, oh my god, this is happening?

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Thing is, I was really worried, but also I would have been so happy if they were like, We want to see you in for Ted or we want to see you in for Buck, but I was very excited when it said Clyde, and then I had to prep Raise a Little Hell, which is one of my favourite songs to sing.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

So and you sang it beautifully.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Thank you, thank you. I remember being in my room like like practicing on the floor, like just really I just yeah, just go.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Did you get on the floor in the audition?

SPEAKER_02 27:08

I did. Yes, you did, I did get on the floor. I I don't know. I w I I started on the floor, I just so yeah, the audition day came where we had to go up to Birmingham first time. Was that your no, it wasn't? No, because my family lived there, so I know it really well. I bet that was so ideal for you.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Oh yeah, I mean I lived with my nan. Yeah I literally lived my dick were my nan, it was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

So you just went back.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

You know when like things aligned?

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

And like I remember I was I got to like as we would call it, like the finals for it. And then the finals. The finals. Out of many rounds. Yeah, after literally two rounds. Two rounds. Um but yeah, I got to the second round, and then my housemate walked in, and I don't know why, but we didn't know that we were both in for it, and he was like, Oh, I'm an audition next week, I've got um uh my finals for Bonnie and Clyde. And I was like, No way, so have I. And he was from Birmingham, my family's from Birmingham, it just worked perfectly. It just felt like it worked out, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

And that was why it was meant to be. Because you ended up doing it. Yeah. My day in Birmingham was fun. I got there an hour before I went to get there, and then we did it. Um, it was so nice.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

How how did you feel? Because obviously there's that because it is your dream role, yeah, that pressure of what I when I first graduated, I auditioned for Lay Mes, which at that point was like I need to be in Lay Mes.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Still, and I love it.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Um I completely I put so much pressure on myself that I mean don't get me wrong, I didn't go in and like embarrass myself, but I came out and I was like, that wasn't my best, and that's really annoying. So, how did you navigate that feeling of I'm auditioning for my dream role, but I need to kind of like play it cool, get through it?

SPEAKER_02 28:49

I think I think I was so happy that the the song we had to prep was Raise a Little Hell, which I'd seen through my showcase at my view as well. I was kind of really like You were like absolutely pre-planning this as much as I could, like, and they said in the audition room they were like, Oh yeah, we we saw your we saw your tape, we saw your um showcase. You saw that? Oh my god, that wasn't really meant for you, but I think I was I just I don't know, I just felt I was really excited. I was like, I was like I don't know, there was like I was just refusing to let any sort of like oh it's my dream role get in the way. Like I just I was really excited to just Sounds like you were locked in and focused.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

You were like, I know the role, I feel like I know what I'm doing, I know what happened to you.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

I was and I'm not usually like this sounds really dramatic, but I'm not usually the one in an edition that's like don't talk to me. I need to be like in the corner, but for that I kind of was, but not in a way that I was being rude, I just was like wandering around, like just sort of listening to it in my head. And then we went in that lovely theatre we love, the old joint stock.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

The old joint stock shout out.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

And we did the song, and they seemed they seemed pretty happy. They actually got me to do they were like, Do you know when I drive? I was like, Oh, say no more. Do I say no more? I did they could have said, Do you want to sing the whole show up there? Yeah, that's good, let's go. So I did that, um, and then that was it. So it kind of went well. Yeah, I went to Les Iguanas after and I ordered Did you? Oh, I ordered so much food. I had uh caiperina, I had um Dos Caiperinha, por favor.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Wow, did you know? I don't know what this meant.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

No, my dad just likes making cocktails, and whenever he does, he says that. Oh I don't I don't have any clue what I just said. I think I said two caiperinas, please.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

You could have convinced me. Yeah, but it was a really good day. And all in all, you obviously had a great experience doing Bonnie and Clyde. It was incredible. We did, we had a great experience.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

It was it was incredible, like it was very special to me. Yeah, very near and dear to my heart.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Have you found that um so obviously since doing Bonnie and Clyde, and obviously since doing Panther and stuff, because I know when they say when you have like a musical on your CV, it helps getting in the rooms and stuff. Do you feel like it has? Has it changed anything for you?

SPEAKER_02 31:09

I think I think it's definitely helped in uh terms of meeting with casting. So like they casting directors see okay, you've done You've done Clyde, so you like they they I th I don't know what I feel from from post Bonnie and Clyde editions, there's more of a sense of trust as in like okay, we could see you doing this or that. Um which is always nice, it's always nice, but I was also before Bonnie and Clyde, I felt very lucky in whatever audition I wanted to really be in for, like, no matter how many times I'd say to my agent, I really want to be in for this. She she was very good in trying to get me in for amazing, but yeah, it's definitely helped both in confidence as well. I don't know if it's the same for you, like having Bonnie and Clyde on the on the CV, it definitely makes me feel good in being in a big audition.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

Oh yeah, a hundred percent. Because I guess I guess in my head I was thinking, has it helped with auditions? And I I I know I asked you that question, but I do find it difficult to even answer that because I don't know what goes on in casting directors' heads. Like, I don't know if I think we're not gonna be able to do it. I don't know if I've been called in because they're like, oh, she was in Bonnie and Clyde, like let's see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or whether it's I've been called in because they've seen uh uh they like my headshot or they like my reel. Like it it's difficult to know, but yeah, I do agree with you that it does help, of course, it helps in confidence and it it it's all experience, like any sort of performing in whatever capacity.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

You you learn something from it.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

Oh my god, and I always say I learned so much from other people, like and what was really nice about that rehearsal process is uh it was a very like open door policy. Like, if anyone was rehearsing, like we were allowed to sit in a wall, and the joy of the time I did because I couldn't. Yeah, we did, wasn't it? Yeah, we were really supportive, it was such a nice little space.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

We were cute every like everyone was just so wanting to really like give everything to it, you know what I mean? That's what I felt.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

Like we really, really wanted to put on a good show and make it as truthful, but that again that comes down from the top. That came from Emily.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

It did, it came from everyone.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Yeah, like the whole creative team by Emily Bent. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 33:26

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Um so talking about the it was it was extremely special. Uh talking about the industry, um, what are your thoughts on networking? I hate that word, first of all. I hate that word.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

I'm I'm not gonna lie, so do I, so do I. I'm actually Do you do it? I'm if I'm being honest, I'm quite bad at it.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

I I feel. Yeah. If I really wanted to That sounds bad, if I really wanted to, if I really like what was I need to be able to put effort in, I probably could, but I just don't know. Like we we used to have networking chats at Mount View. Oh did you? Yeah, we did. We uh um Oh wow our industrial liaison was quite good for that, like getting us prepped in that sort of aspect. He would be like you need to be making little cards, you need to be doing all this sort of stuff. Well like business cards. Oh yeah, business cards, bar clothes. I don't think anyone has done that. Maybe I should do that for Life in the Wings.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Here's my business card.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

I'm that here's my business card for a um but no, I'm quite bad at it. I'm I don't know, I like I can't I there's just this like fear before beforehand that if I were to network, I just go up to someone be like, hi.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Can I make an assumption? Yeah. Do you not like press nights?

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Yes and no.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Yes and no I can imagine you'd be like stuff for me.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

No, I like what I like about press night is the dress getting dressed up. Yeah. I like getting dressed up with a with a glass in hand of whatever, but there is there is a there's something about the press night in in speaking to the people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just I don't know, I get very in my head around.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

It makes me feel clammy.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

It does, it does. And you know what it is? I think it's because we're it feels like we're acting as ourselves in a way, because we are being ourselves to these people. We shouldn't feel like we're acting. We just want to we need to be ourselves so that they can get an understanding of who we are. But that's just the the fears that I get in my head around it.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Yeah, I guess there's an essence of like obviously wanting to make a good impression.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Yeah. But then But also be yourself. But then what's the line between us?

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Yeah, because sometimes I feel them to be sometimes I feel networking. Let's use the term networking. It gives you a bit of a chill in a little bit. Yeah, a little bit unorganic.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Unless you are just like I would prefer to naturally meet someone in a workshop scenario or anything.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Where you're both working towards it.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Yes, rather than me just cold emailing someone for a coffee to meet up. Like for me, I'm like, that's my work. Oh go on.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

I've emailed a few casting directors here and there, but but then again, like it's so decisive like people you get told don't email casting. Exactly. Some some agents say that then you get told no, you have to be emailing everyone under the sun. It just depends.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

I would love to have the bravery that you have to email a casting director for a coffee.

SPEAKER_02 36:30

Oh, I've never done it for a coffee.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Oh, but you just mean that reach out as if you're not.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

I just say hi, I I know that you cast this and I'd really love to be in there. Maybe I should do that.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

I thought you meant for a coffee. Some people do.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

Really?

SPEAKER_00 36:41

I mean, I've no I don't know whether that the coffee happens, but for me personally, I would email a casting casting director if I've been to their workshop and I enjoyed it, say, and I'd say, Thank you so much for that workshop. It was fabulous. I know you're casting this next week, da da da would love to be in the room. But I could never message someone like, Hey, my name is Charlotte, like would love to have a coffee.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Something like, what do we talk about? Do you know what I mean? Unorganic. But maybe it's not a good thing. It is unorganic.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

No, no, no, I completely agree. Okay. I don't know, like if I were if if someone was like, you need to email a casting director this week and do something with them, I think I'd more be like, let's go for a cocktail. Do you want to go bowling? Yeah. Let's go bowling.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

You and like Jim Arnold going bowling on a Saturday afternoon.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

It'd be great. A few a few pints, a little bit of bowling, a bit of crazy golf after. A bit of crazy golf, yeah, really get chilled out. And then hopefully cast. But that's the thing, like I don't know. Have you do you know anyone that's emailed and gotten a coffee?

SPEAKER_00 37:48

I do.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Yeah, I do, actually. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

Yeah. Well that's networking in the most creative way.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

But the person I know is very good at networking.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

Like they like they they plan and they're just they're just naturally good at it.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Yeah, not in the sense of in a fake way, just in the sense of they have goals, they know what they want. They're not just going for a coffee to be like, hey, my name is so and so. Like they're like, they have a vision.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

You've gotta be so front-footed with it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

They've got it just right. Yeah. Because it's not it's not weird, yeah, and it's not too pushy. Uh-huh. But yeah, they're fantastic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Yeah. I feel I feel that someone all of us in this wonderful industry have to do some point. We need to do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Oh god, yeah, we all have to do it. It's just to the ex to the extent of what? And how authentic it is.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

How far are you willing to go?

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Yeah, and how authentic it is to yourself.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

Yeah, yeah, massively.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Okay, so before we go into our next section, talk to me about work outside the industry. What have you done? What do you do? What do you do of your time? How do you pay the rent?

SPEAKER_02 38:58

Where do we pay the rent? Oh, we love the rent.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

What have you done since graduating? Or during graduating.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

Since graduating, my first job after graduating was um snog frozen yoga. Oh my god, I've heard of you saying this. Yeah, that was crazy. They actually so they messaged on Instagram me and my girlfriend Kira. Hi, Kira. Hi, Kira. And um they they messaged us to say, hey, we're looking we we want to hire actors.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

Because which, to be honest, is quite smart. Because, well, they seem to think that we're really good at talking to people.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

I mean, we are podcasts.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

But yeah, I know a lot of people like performing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

Well, but I don't know, they just wanted people more as it's kind of like um what we just spoke about, like more front-footed, confident. Yeah. And they said, Yeah, we would like to have actors working for us. I think the people that I think the people that run Snog were also former actors themselves.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Oh, fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Um so yeah, that was my first job. Hilarious. They literally had a bunch of us from Mount View and a bunch of people from Erdan work there.

SPEAKER_00 40:06

So were they quite flexible with auditions and stuff?

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Yeah, I mean, they were very chilled. I mean, I yeah, yeah. I I wasn't working like full-time nine to five snogging. Snoggin at snog. Snoggin, snogging at snog. It's very good. Have you had snog before?

SPEAKER_00 40:20

I have. I've had it maybe once or twice. Bis good. Love the biscoff sauce.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

Oh yeah, the biscoff sauce good. I was bad. Whenever I was working and it was dead, I would just like continuously be eating the biscoff sauce.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

They would like give me, because I think I'd just have like a vanilla one and then just loads of biscoff. And I'd be like, more, more. Yeah, just a little bit more. Just a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Oh, people took the make all the time. It was hilarious. As they should. Can we try this one, please? Well, we're not really supposed to try and be like, oh, it's just for my my granny over here. Oh just for my granny over here. Alright, okay, fine. But yeah, Snog was hilarious. And there was like a whole network of us, it was all Mount View people. So we all knew each other. It was like, oh, you at Snog today and I'm at Snog next week.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Do you know why it's called Snog?

SPEAKER_02 41:06

No. No. I there's there is a reason. There is a reason.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Because it's frozen yogurt, and I'm like, is the og the yogurt and the s what's the sno? Snowy yogurt. Snog.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

It might be because it because it looks like a snowflake.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

Oh, does it? Are we just making the complete and utter rubbish?

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Complete and utter rubbish. Why is it called?

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Sorry, why at what point does it look like a snowflake?

SPEAKER_02 41:36

Well, because when you pour it out, it's like the little snowflake on the top. I don't know. Um I clearly didn't work there long enough to really get invested in the reason and the history behind why it's cost long. I mean they've just they've just opened up again at the South Bank, I'm pretty sure. So I used to go to the Soho's that's the best. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The one with the big bus.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Yeah, I used to work at the bus. Oh did you? Yeah, I love the bus.

SPEAKER_00 41:59

No way. Um you also worked at Archer Street. Which you've just finished.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

Just finished Archer Street. Soho.

SPEAKER_00 42:07

How how was that? I've heard different things because for people that don't know Archer Street, it's is it a nightclub or is it a bar?

SPEAKER_02 42:14

I would say it's a bar. It's a fancy bar where they have musical theatre performers, singing, and entertaining. We basically stand on tables. We do. It's really funny.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

We literally It was quite bizarre when I first went.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Because what you just have your drink on the table and then it's like shift, shift, shift. We need to gather it.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

Yeah, and we just stand over the drinks and I'm like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

It's really funny that we could literally have a pizza order come out because we Oh you do food? Oh only pizza. It's really random. Only pizza. Only pizza. Um but we'll we'll have pizzas come out and people are eating in like 20 seconds we're like shift up, we need to I've got a sing, I've got to take I've got to take zero. Whatever table is less is less busy, we'll stand on those tables.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

So how was that for your voice? Because I've heard mixed things, so because you open till maybe like 2, 3 am sometimes. 2am. And you're well there's a group of you taking it in turns to sing. Sometimes you might do group numbers. But obviously, because of the setting, what it is, it's in like a bar, it's quite loud, you're using your voice quite a lot.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

I've heard different things. Some people were like it wrecks your voice, some people were like, oh no, I really like it. How did you find it?

SPEAKER_02 43:28

You know what? I was alright. I'm I'm funny. Like I worked there for what, a month and a half, a bit, which was and I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. And I was warned by people who'd worked there before that it does really wreck your voice and it does take a lot out of you, it doesn't help with auditions, etcetera. But I think I was I was really cheeky at Sn uh um at Snog at Archer Street. I would be like How little can I actually sing here? So I would I would I would I'd be that guy like n for everyone else not everyone else but like you'd have the people that'd be singing like literally every ten minutes. That like loves it. But they they want to. And I'd be that guy who'd be like every half an hour that we'll do a song. Or if there was another job to do it to a little low song. If there was another job to do it, I'll do the other job. Like I'll go.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

So you played it quite tactical.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

I did, I did. And also when it's really loud and people are all talking over each other, like I just Is there any point? Yeah. I'm quite good. It's weird. I'm quite good at avoiding working at work. I probably shouldn't say that.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

You had it here fast. Let's hope your uh old manager isn't straight up.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

Thank you. Thank you for all the work. I really appreciate it. It was great. And thanks for the thing. Yeah, I still sang loads, like, and it didn't wreck your voice. No, I don't think so. I think it was fine as long as you get home steam at 2 a.m., 3am whenever you got home.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

God, I couldn't imagine it. It's not for me.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

That was the it was the long part of it, was the the late nights. Yeah, it was it closed at 1 in Soho, but it was 2am in Clapham, because there's one in Clapham as well. Um and yeah, it was the odd occasion that you'd be someone would be ordering a drink and it'd be like thumping at like 1 30 and you'd be like, What, what you just have to do your cooldown.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

That's the side that can wreck your voice, is that it's the shouting more.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

For me, it was always the shouting more than the singing. Which is why a lot a lot of people also when they're doing a song, they like to shout, Archest Street, we're having a good time and stuff. I didn't do that. I would just sing and then and then leave.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

Oh god, not the not the talking to the audience. No, I I hate I like I My name's Sammy, you're having a good time!

SPEAKER_02 45:44

It's it's it's like so respect and loads of respect for anyone that does that fine because I think it's actually quite impressive. I think it's impressive, like I can't do that. Like there was times where I would try and I'd be like, yeah, it's your street, let's go! And I'd like what we spoke about earlier when you tried to be funny, and then you'd be like, one, two, one, two.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

Do you know what it is for me? It's the I don't mind doing it. It's the are we having a good time? They go, yeah, and then it's now up. No, no, no. Now what? Because I've still got 30 more seconds of my instrumental.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Oh, you go, we're gonna sing and you repeat back to us, and we go like, up town, bug you up. Yes!

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Up town, bug you up. And then we did that. Oh, you did it. See, we've a good guest because I definitely.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

I knew you would love it when you came.

SPEAKER_00 46:44

Oh yeah, it was so my vibe. It was so my vibe until about 12 o'clock that I was like, I think I'm ready to hit that.

SPEAKER_02 46:49

Bedtime, yeah, bedtime. Well that's the thing, like, it's funny. I I don't really like busy, busy, busy clubbing either. Yeah. So it was a funny place for me to work. Whenever it was like I'd just be in the corner, everything hiding under the bird. Alright, okay. And I always they always have to clean the kitchen at midnight, and I was always the one to clean the kitchen. I because I wanted to, because it got because it just got me away. I was always like, I'll clean the kitchen. We've never had someone want to clean the kitchen.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

You're like, no, I was going to do the dishes and mop the floor.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was wonderful. It was therapeutic. But yeah, I Archest Street's good. Artist Street's good job to do. Yeah, it doesn't wreck the voice, you wreck the voice. You can wreck your voice.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

You tell them, you tell them.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

Like after your voice.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Uh so we're about to go into our next section.

SPEAKER_02 47:37

Exciting.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

Which is called Backstage Drama. And this is basically uh any unhinged moments, funny stories, embarrassing stories, industry related, that you can share with myself and the listeners.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Okay. Okay, well, what's what to pick from? What to pick from?

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Oh, is that is that that money?

SPEAKER_02 47:57

No, you know what? Well, I'm trying to think what what am I allowed to tell and what am I not allowed to tell? No, it's not that bad. It's not that bad. Um one that I can think off the top of my head in terms of like embarrassing moments was in Panto, we had this one show. This was a really off day. It was a really off day in Panto.

SPEAKER_03 48:18

We were just doesn't define who he is as a performer and watch it.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

We're all having it, we can all have off days. We can all have off days. But this day in particular, it was just it was the the end I don't know, the vibes were off, it was very interesting, and I had to come on as Dandini in this Dandini's like the prince's sidekick, if if you don't know Pantolore.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

He came out in this like gold majestic gold suit with tail cap.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

I had like truffles, are they called truffles at the back? Yeah, yeah, they're little like ruffles, ruffles, truffles. Oh like chocolate dripping from Yeah, chocolate truffles dripping down from my from my fang gown. Uh and I had these tight, crazy shoes on. But basically I had this ridiculous like Dandini run I would do. I kind of like copied Jack Sparrow. Yeah, yeah, you got it. It was like kind of this. I just did that. And I was it was a big moment, it was when Cinderella runs away from the prince, and they had just done this beautiful uh duet together, the the dancers were all doing crazy stuff, and I had to run down the the ballroom staircase with the slipper, and I literally was doing it, and I literally s sli like slammed onk the floors like literally slipper still in my hand, but I was like this. Was you on the floor like I was literally on the floor like that for Did you fall down the whole staircase? Oh yeah, big time from the top to the bottom, like sl like literally s like slide down as the the guy who's playing the prince is just watching me watch me fall down like this. Did you hide yourself? No, it was fine. It was fine. I was just more like what what what's just happening? Like I I didn't feel real that way. Did you get back up or did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I for a split second I was like, I could just stay here. I c I kinda wanted to stay. Is this my life? But um I had to get up and my line was like Your Highness, your Highness, the princess is has left or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

Did you have a thicker Scottish accent to do it?

SPEAKER_02 50:18

I did.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

I was gonna say your accent just went so I did, I did.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

I don't really have a strong Scottish accent. I feel like a lot of people assume I'm from Ireland. Which is no judgments, fair enough. We love Ireland. Um but I yeah, I don't have a very strong Scottish accent. So and in Panto, well in any panto, I feel uh I feel uh a panto like back home somewhere, like the whole joke is well all the Scottish jokes, you understood them all, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 50:50

Oh, every single one of them in the front row. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was front row.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Foos your does, Chavanoah.

SPEAKER_00 50:57

Yeah, knew exactly what they were.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

I was like, Yeah, tell me one of them. Tell me one of them.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

There were so many to choose from, I just thought they were good at it.

SPEAKER_02 51:05

Yeah, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 51:06

I had this the accents were so thick in Abbey. I I remember being in like taxis and being like, sorry, come again. And then they sit again and I'll be like, Oh, like when you were going about Yeah, when I was going about my day, I had to actively be like, I'm so sorry, your accent is so thick, I don't understand. You just slow it down. They speak so thick and so fast.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

It is and everything's like, but I kidnace in uh getting the doon the tune and I uh I like the goodn doing the do you have a do life it like it's just mental, but it's so out of four pounds where I felt I had to do a stronger accent, which I was quite scrolling down the stairs. Yeah, yeah, that was part of it. It was part of it just for that one show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never shot up so quickly in my life before.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

Did you feel embarrassed?

SPEAKER_02 51:53

Or were you just like Honestly that day I was just like this is what it is now But what's really funny is any minor like injury like that they they take it so seriously in any show did you have to feel like to do forms and everything. They're like, Are you okay? Are you able to are you able to continue with the show?

SPEAKER_00 52:15

Oh I mean that is very good in a way. It is good, it feels good that they take care of you. But then then be like, you're right, yeah, okay, bye.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally, like, but it was so funny, they were like, How are you how is your hip feeling? How is your leg feeling? Are you feeling alright today? I was like, I'm fine, like I'm fine. Do you need physio? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, do you need to take some time? I was I I was like, I could milk this round.

SPEAKER_00 52:37

I was like, Oh, I just need a week off page, please. I just need a week off page.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

Christmas week would be ideal. Christmas week would be ideal.

SPEAKER_00 52:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:46

New Year's would be nice. But that's probably my most recent embarrassing story.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

No, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Do you remember that time on the last show of Bonnie and Clyde? I don't know if you were on stage at that moment, but there was a moment where me and Killian, we love Killian, hey Killian. Hi Killian Um, who was playing Buck, just died. We died laughing. It was crazy. I think it was after when I drive, and we it was the whole bit when if you know the show, Buck needs to tell Clyde that he's going back to prison. And it's really funny because he started going, I'm going back to prison. And he's like, You're going back to where? He's like, You go, I'm going back to prison. Um, but he I don't know, I don't know if it was because it was the last show. Emily was watching, like everyone was watching, we had so much family, and like we knew everyone that was in the audience that day.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

It was pretty a family and friend show.

SPEAKER_02 53:42

Oh, it was very family and friend, especially that one. Was your family in that day? Uh I think the I think I think you I think I remember your mum being in. Um but that what like India was uh over one side, Faye was on the other side, and he would just looked at me. And he just sort of I don't know, like he would always do this thing, be like But the stuff he was doing this day, I don't think I can do it. I actually don't think I'm allowed to do it.

SPEAKER_00 54:11

Oh, was it Rose?

SPEAKER_02 54:12

Oh, it was Oh He just started doing some stuff but then I just died. I was like I couldn't stop laughing. And you And then India and Faye literally had to turn away.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

How did I not know?

SPEAKER_02 54:27

Everyone in the audience was everyone was found it hilarious, everyone was dying. Oh my god, everyone was peeing themselves off.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

Or we'd lock the car in the car. Oh the car.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

The car, oh the car the bed. We love slash the bed. You know, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We love that car. Oh, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 54:46

We little chitty bam bam, that was like bang, chitty bang bang, while he's like, Where that trap?

SPEAKER_02 54:53

But that was crazy. That like I remember literally looking at Emily, the director, and she was down. Like it was just a very funny special moment.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

It's nice when if you cave on stage but the audience is with you. It's gonna be worse when the audience isn't with you and you're trying to control it and you're like, I'm gone, but like the audience isn't on the same page.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

Has that ever happened to you?

SPEAKER_00 55:12

Um yes.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:16

Well, it was actually during Bonnie and Class.

SPEAKER_02 55:17

Oh, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 55:19

No, I don't know if it's gonna be funny when I tell the story, but I I'll tell the story, but basically.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

Was it like you had to be there?

SPEAKER_00 55:25

It wasn't even like you had to be there. It was just uh maybe it was that. It uh it was so small, but um basically it was a scene with myself in India. So India who plays Bonnie and I was Bonnie's mum.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

And it was wonderfully portrayed, by the way. The what? Wonderfully portrayed, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

Thank you. See how I have to say, like, what was that? Because I had flipper.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

Yeah, fine, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

I had flipper, but it was wonderfully portrayed.

SPEAKER_01 55:49

Wonderfully portrayed.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

But basically, I'll try and say it really, really shortly. But um, Bonnie and her mum are sat directly next to each other on these chairs, and they're having this conversation. Bonnie's crying, and I'm basically saying, Oh god, what am I even saying at this point? I did the show. Um, I'm basically like Was this in act two or act one?

SPEAKER_02 56:11

No, I think it was in act one, and I'm basically saying to Bonnie, she loves Clyde, she's like, I love him, Mama, and I'm like, basically like, no, he's not for you, like get yourself an upstairing main, yeah, all that sort of stuff, and like she's really like broken at this point.

SPEAKER_00 56:26

She's like, but I love him, and I'm like, baby girl, like it's gonna be okay. It's like really serious, and like the mum does this like monologue to her about like you know, sometimes our heart doesn't know what's best, Bonnie, and all that sort of stuff. Wise words, but as I'm doing it, it's not even funny, it's not even funny. As I'm doing it, so we have a little bit of a stage, like um, it's like these wooden planks.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

Yeah, yeah. The set was so cool.

SPEAKER_00 56:54

It was really cool, it was very cool. But as I'm doing this, like really heartfelt, like the heart's not always around me, like all this stuff, my chair leg falls off the stage. Oh, okay. So I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

Just slightly.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

Slightly, but you know, but enough to make me be like like so India's at this point crying.

SPEAKER_02 57:13

And this is quite a quiet part of the show, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 57:15

Like it's a penny drop over, like penny, like you could hear a fly back, like it's that. Okay, yeah, and you just hear my chair go boom, and my body just go, and then I do the rest of the scene laughing.

SPEAKER_02 57:31

So I have to then make a choice of whether or not to make it part of it or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 57:35

I tried to I tried to make I tried to get it.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

What line were you saying for you that? And you never know what they put the boba bob.

SPEAKER_00 57:40

I was I was doing it as if I I changed my motive to be like I'm trying to cheer her up rather than being like the heart I was going like the heart is just not always right. Oh well, good on you.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

It's a classic actor, right there.

SPEAKER_00 57:55

No, I don't think I covered it because also India at this point has gone from like crying because she's sad to looking down because she's laughing. And we have to like look at each other really intimately, and we are both like we were gone both. Oh my gosh. So yeah, that's that's my story, but I don't think I covered it very well.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

Yeah, so is that you did?

SPEAKER_00 58:19

Well, no, because India stopped crying, India was like also laughing, and we were we were both doing it like Was it time to just move on from the street?

SPEAKER_02 58:27

It was time to just get off stage, like get off.

SPEAKER_00 58:31

But normally I'm quite good at not corpsing, like I I'm normally quite good, like I can focus, but just for some reason it was just it just felt extremely awkward.

SPEAKER_02 58:41

You know what I just remembered? What? Do you remember when the ukulele wasn't on stage?

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Oh my okay, this is turning into a bunny and climbing. Yeah, sorry, I no. Do you know what? Screw the script.

SPEAKER_02 58:55

Um because I'm sorry, when you spoke about it, I was like, no, no, no, we have to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

No, no, no, yeah, screw the script. Sorry guys, we're going off um mental. We're going off off this. Um there's a scene where there's a ukulele is set that's preset by an ensemble member, and then Clyde picks it up and says, Oh, like to the mum, like who plays the yuke?

SPEAKER_02 59:20

He's trying to impress.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

Yeah, and and the mum's like, oh my husband did, but my husband's dead, so it's like awkward. And then he plays a song, and then there's a moment for like Bonnie's mum to be like, God, that's the first time we've ever had the youke play since my husband died, and it's a cute moment. And then the line the next line is like, Where do you learn to play? Like that was amazing. And then the youke wasn't there.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

It wasn't there. There was no you don't even know how.

SPEAKER_00 59:45

And did you notice at the start of at the start of the scene that it wasn't there? Or did you only notice it when you were about to pick it up?

SPEAKER_02 59:50

No, I think I did notice.

SPEAKER_00 59:52

Because I noticed the minute the scene started, I was in the wing and I was like, There's no youke, what do we do?

SPEAKER_02 59:59

I don't even remember what we did to make that work. Um You because it I was it not down to you to save it or something. Yeah, I think. Because I like I was literally like, do I need to like go like this?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:13

In my head, I had a plan, but I needed Sam to be on board with the plan without communicating.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:20

Yeah. It was all in the eyes, wasn't it? It was all in eyes.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

Yeah. So but I actually think you mime No, so what happened was no, you said who plays you said who plays the you plays the you? Who plays the you? And then I said my husband did, guy res a soul.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:39

I mean.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

And then Amen. And then I was like, I I'm not going to let you mime it. Like I'm not. So then I instead of saying like where do you learn to play? Is if you've just played it, I said, Oh, so you play the youke, where did you learn to play?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

What saviour. See, good actress, good actress. Because I was like, I'm Save the scene.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

I'm not letting him move you for not doing that. That's not happening.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

So I I don't think I would have ever come back from that if I mimicked the youke.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

So I said it as if like the youke's not supposed to be there, and we're just we're just discussing the you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:15

I would have had to have made noise. I would have had to go on like.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

Well, there was also a show we did a muck-up matinee. Uh, for people that don't know what a muck-up matinee is, it's where it's the last matinee of the run, and you do like little jokes between the cast, but that the audience members hopefully don't know about. Sometimes they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

Oh, they know, they know.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

Yeah. And um it was uh Tom was on for Clyde that show.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:39

He was this is the one I got to watch.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:42

Yeah, you watched it, didn't you? You did a show watch. And we well not me, I wasn't a part of it, but I knew it was happening. They untuned the ukulele. They untuned it. But the thing the funny no, but the funny thing is, is Tom can actually play the ukulele. Oh no, he can. So the minute he struck the first thing, he knew and he went, dun no.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:07

He did, oh my god, and remember he just went, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

Yeah, he just went, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:11

And it was what it was perfect. It was so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

It was great. It was so good. Okay, you're not playing it. And I was like, Do you know what? You are just absolutely fancy.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

You're fair, good on him.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

Because what we wanted was for him to play the song really bad, and we'd be like, That's beautiful. Where did you have to play?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:31

But he was like actually plays.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

He was like, nah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

Nah nah nah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

Nah, that's not true.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

I that I thought it was so cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

I remembered, but but I knew He knew from the fast plot it was out of tune.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

I was like, You're a musician.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

He was so good at that. That was hilarious. I remember that. Do you remember? Remember him literally going, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:47

He literally went no, and then the scene just carried on.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

Another good actor. Oh, we had a lot of funny memories.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

This is literally tied into a Bonnie and Clyde episode. It was going to, it was going to be a good one. It was always going to go down this path.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

It was.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

Um, I'm gonna skip a few of my uh formats just because I don't want this to be like two hours long.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:06

Two and a half hour podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:07

But basically, we're gonna go into the five-minute call. And this is me. I know you've played one of your dream roles as Clyde, but I just want to give you the time to just like speak to me, to the listeners. What are your dreams? Any dream roles, aspirations? It do you know what? It doesn't even have to be industry related, it can be anything. Just what what do you want to achieve in the next couple years?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:29

You know what? Wow. You know, it's a big question at the start. It is. Um I've got the other dream roles, like like Clyde was incredible, and to do that I I less than a year after graduating was like a dream come true. Another dream role for me is Phantom. Phantom was the show that I remember watching there's like an Albert Hall production, don't know if you've seen it, the filmed one with Ramin Karamlu, who is like he's the he's the goat to me, he's the greatest. And I remember watching that the goat? Um I remember watching that with my mum and being like, Whoa, this is cool. Like I would like to do this. And she was like, Yeah, it's just it's pretty cool. Um so that like uh I think I've got like we've all got like about ten dream meals, don't we? But that's like the that's the end all be all that'd be incredible. There's there's all the shows I'd love to be in, as you said, Lame is JD and Heathers as well, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

I'd love to do JD and Heathers.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

Yeah, I'd love to. Even just Heathers. Yeah. Heathers would be incredible. Heathers would be so cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:35

I think it's is it coming out on tour?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

I think it is Whoever's watching casting, hello.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:41

Hi, my name is Sam Murray, and I would like to be JD. I would like to be JD or anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

I'll be a tree in Heathers. I'll be a new I'll be bo bully number four in Heathers. I'd I would be incredible. But yeah, like you know what's you know what I've always feel like in drama school and before you ever like get into drama school, you're always thinking about the dream roles and dream shows because it's like that that is what's pushing you to get into drama school and to get through drama school. But I I personally feel that when you get out of it you're not thinking about those stuff as much.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:19

I couldn't agree more.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:20

But in a way that it's like, oh my gosh, I'm not thinking about this, so I'm not aiming to reach it. Like, no, like this is such a crazy, like what's the word? Um what's the word? I'm looking for like you can't plan with an unpredictable industry, like where you never know what you're gonna be doing next. Which I think in a way for me personally helps with like it's fun. It's fun not knowing. So I've I've I'm really enjoying like not really having aims of what jobs I want to do. Like in if they come, they come, and if they don't, they don't.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:05

Maybe I should change that question because I also fully agree. I think when I was at drama school and stuff, which wasn't many years ago, um I was like, oh my god, at this point I want to be Evelyn Lames, I want to be in Mary Poppins, I want to be Miss Hannah Matilda. But I I do think it changes, like your your perception of the industry changes when you come out. And because it is such a small industry and it's so oversaturated and it's hard to even get in the room. I think it's just you want to be employed, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:34

Yeah, you do. You just want to be working in any way you can.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:37

There's so many musicals that I don't even know that like, for instance, Bonnie like I'll be real, Bonnie and Clyde was not on my thing of like a dream. No, because I I knew the soundtrack, I didn't really know the show. Had I known the show, now I've done it and stuff, would have been a dream. Do you know what I mean? But sometimes we don't even know what our dream shows or roles are. Maybe I should just change it to like where do you see yourself in five years?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's true. It's true. Um I love film, I love films, like I'm a film geek. Like in COVID, all I did was watch films, I love it. Um but again, like film, I I was always like I would want to do stage stuff. Yeah. But you know what? I watched um Sinners a few weeks ago, which came out last year, and it's one of my new favourite not even films, like my new favourite things in the world. Like I'm obsessed with that. I'm watching so many videos on it. That could be a musical, by the way. Oh really? You should watch the film. Yes, you should that could be a musical. No, well, this is what I'm actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

Or get or sell someone the concept.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

This is what I'm meaning. Like, I'm I mean it's everyone saying it could become a musical. Oh really? But like I'm I like I'm I wrote about it, I was actually no, this could be a musical. Like, it's just cool. What I like about graduating and being in the industry is starting to find other parts of it that you want to get involved in. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that doesn't mean like I'm going out my way to do that, but it's just fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:58

Like you just find yourself going down different avenues. It is. I that's what I like about our industry, like to just expect the so expanding and it's constantly. There's so many different avenues you can go down, massively, especially now.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:11

Oh yeah. Like ten years ago it was different, it is constantly changing. Like ten years time, there's gonna be thousands of more jobs in like in a creative world. Yeah, it'd be nice, it'd be nice. So uh But yeah, like I just love not knowing. Yeah, I love not knowing. But the dream jobs, like, we're we're we're we're we'll get there. Oh, 100%. I have no doubt.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

Um so the last thing I have to ask you is a listener question. Thank you guys for writing in. Um it's actually a good question, you know. Yeah, all of them are good questions, but I really particularly like this one. Because I feel like it's not spoken enough about. How do you decide what to wear for an audition?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:49

Interesting. Uh it really depends on what you I'm auditioning for. Like my first audition uh when I I hadn't graduated yet, um, was Lame's. Oh wow. Same as you. And my first impression was right, you need to dress smart, really smart. Like I was in suit, trousers, and a shirt with a vest underneath. Like, um and I think I still would wear something like that to something like that, or phantom, uh the same sort of thing. But it really depends, like if you're in for a show where I feel you need to be where it's it's gonna be a physical edition, like a dance call or uh or a movement call, I w I like to wear a vest and some and something baggy, I like baggy. Yeah. I I I don't think I could ever wear shorts to an edition. Oh really? No, I can do it. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. I I I like wearing a vest and some baggy like joggers. So you can feel like free. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then maybe like a shirt over it that you can just take off. Oh yeah. That's what I'd wear to a dance call. It really just depends. It really depends.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

I think the the common like census is give an essence of what the show is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:07

Like if I Massively, which I I also try to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:12

But then not just do a little hint of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:14

That's it, but also not like full costume.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:16

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:17

Because it would be weird if um what's an example?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:21

Like, don't pitch up to Phantom in a Phantom mask.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:24

No, no. Don't do what I did. But it would be like it would be like it would be like if you were in for I keep saying about legally blonde, but it's because I've just watched it, so it's in the forefront of my brain. But it's like if you were to audition for Legally Blonde, you're not gonna wear probably like a full black outfit because legally blonde is all about personality, like really, like, do you know what I mean? So you might wear a little pop of colour. Yeah, bring a dog, you might just bring a dog.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:47

Bring your bruiser, bring you bring your pink.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

But yeah, I d I just think the and it not even less I know a lot of people did wear pink, but just like a pop of something to show a bit of your personality. Yeah, masculine. And then potentially in layers you might wear something that's a little bit more dated, is that the word? I know someone dressed.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:04

I know someone who was in Filemas and they got told to wear a shirt. They weren't wearing a shirt, and the more lines they got, they're like, wear a shirt next time. So it's interesting. So there's sometimes they clearly do care about what you wear.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:15

Because also I think subconsciously, surely it helps you it helps the casting director see you in that role rather than them have to envision what you're gonna look like in the show. Why don't you just skip that part and just say this is what I could potentially look like within this role or the show? Yeah, massively. I think it's just about being smart but not two on the nose. There's a there's a fine line, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:37

It's also interesting how seeing what other people wear to an edition can play with you mentally. I feel that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

Oh my god, yeah, because sometimes I've worn something and I'm like, oh my god, everyone's in like boot heels and stuff, and I've not gone for that vibe. But you just that's where you just have to stay in your own lane and not let it because everyone's got different perceptions of what they think the musical is. Like, do you know what I mean? Or what they think.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:58

I had a burlesque edition once. Oh, so did I. Oh yeah? Yes. We can talk about that off camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Troubled times. Um, but seeing what people wore so that and what I wore, I was like.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:11

Oh, but we literally had the same experience.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:13

I don't have anything leather.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:15

I don't have any, it was crazy. I had but in the coolest way I was seeing all these people, I was like, rock on.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:21

Yeah, I was like, girl, you booked it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:24

I was like, well, I'll enjoy dancing behind you for the next two hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

I'll be your black dancer, that'll be fine. That's so funny. Um let's anyway. So we have come to the end of the podcast, and I just want to say a huge thank you. I feel like we've just had like a body and click on the stuff. This has been for a month. This has been for a month. Uh thank you so much for coming on to the podcast. Thank you for having me. No, you're obviously.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

This is awesome. Thank you. The most wonderful podcast host.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:55

You're a babe. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me. Um, thanks for listening, guys. And please comment, like, and subscribe wherever you watch or listen to your podcast. And I will see you next week.