Drug Testing Lobby Sues Over Schedule III as Illinois Signs Major Cannabis Law Changes

On the June 14 (Flag Day) episode of Cannabis Legalization News, the hosts preview a lead story about the National Drug and Alcohol Screening Association suing to pause federal cannabis rescheduling to Schedule III, arguing economic harm as federal marijuana trafficking prosecutions have dropped about 95%. 

They discuss Illinois’ newly signed SB 3222, described as the biggest change to Illinois cannabis laws in six years, including requiring ID checks for hemp, ending most hemp sales by November 12, doubling possession limits, expanding hours, allowing drive-through/curbside options, and increasing craft grow limits to 14,000 square feet; they note it may also help their dispute over Illinois social equity loan eligibility and discuss their dispensary operations in Pekin. 

Other topics include a possible Virginia deal to legalize sales, Rhode Island ending residency requirements, DC proposing higher medical taxes, Alabama reaching 100 patients, Maine recalls for yeast/mold, and international news from France, plus a 710 Seattle Dab Roast cannabis art event.

00:00 Welcome and Rundown
00:00 Schedule III Lawsuit
00:50 Schedule III Lawsuit Setup
01:55 DEA Registration and Dispo Plans
04:52 Drug Testing Lobby Explained
08:18 Illinois SB 3222 Signed
09:56 SB 3222 — Illinois Law
11:24 New Store Ops and 710 Promo
13:45 Virginia Deal
13:45 Virginia Legal Sales Deal
15:15 Rescheduling and Next Green Rush
18:26 Hemp Crackdown and THCA Debate
18:40 Hemp Crackdown
20:32 Federal Rules and Enforcement Ahead
21:17 AI Employees Debate
21:59 Marijuana Laws Shift
22:25 Green Lab Blog Plug
23:32 Rhode Island Lottery Woes
23:35 Rhode Island Update
25:03 Cannabis Taxes Breakdown
26:10 Alabama Program Slow Roll
26:11 Alabama, France & International News
27:56 Recalls and Mold Testing
29:11 Data Centers and Latency
30:23 France Hemp Market Chaos
31:43 Hemp Genetics Loopholes
33:00 Missouri Genetics Lockdown
36:02 FDA Breakthrough Cannabinoid
36:22 Dispensary Grand Opening Talk
37:31 Shop Operations and Q&A
38:38 Wrap Up and Next Show

Transcript

Welcome and Rundown

SPEAKER_01 0:02

What up? It's another episode of Canvas Legalization News coming at you live from wherever Miggie and I are located. It's not at 359 Court Street in Beacon, but I hear that place is open. If you're doing something on a Sunday in Taswell County. We have a lead story, would you believe? Somebody filed a suit to stop Schedule III because they were making money on Schedule One. The drug testers. So the drug testers have filed suit. That's going to be one of our lead stories. Illinois just did something that was great, and it was now signed into the law, so it's effective. We have perhaps a Virginia deal. A whole bunch of cannabis lawyers right now are in Chicago, by the way. I am not. We even have international news. France, Alabama, Rhode Island,

Schedule III Lawsuit Setup

SPEAKER_01 0:50

DC. Oh, and for the standing issue that we'll be talking about in our lead story about the lawsuit, it's not Sam, but it's uh I can't remember what their acronym is, but they're just like essentially a drug testing organization that worried that their profits will go away. Because as weed trafficking prosecutions at the federal level are down 95%. So that economic harm might give them standing. Let's do some cannabis legalization news for this flag day, June 14th. And if you are attending the UFC fight tonight at the White House, I do not envy you. What was that? I don't envy the people that would be watching in the out. It's 90 degrees and rain is in the forecast. It all day seems like shit. But yeah, how's it going? Hey everybody. Yeah, thanks for joining us. It's been another week. Still another week. And it was quasi-legalized.

DEA Registration and Dispo Plans

SPEAKER_01 1:55

One of the cool things for Miggy and I is that we'll be able to fill out a form here in for the dispo in Peking pretty quick whenever Illinois gets the forms, and then we can register with the DEA. We'll do registration with the DEA. Tom and Miggie register with the DEA later. Like we'll do that as a live or kind of how we did the when we applied to get our license. Yeah. Remember that one.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

That was uh fluke. What are we gonna be able to do this now or do we have to wait till 29th for the year?

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Oh no, the okay. So that's SB322. There's a lot of twos in it. 3, 2, 2, 2, 2. But let's do that. Uh, I think it's our second story in the stack. It's not on the table of contents, but I slipped it in there after the drug testing lobby and big pharma are suing to pause Trump's rescheduling move, and that's MMJ V international. I know, right? You're telling me that if you move it, our ability to drug test people, which is how we make money, by the way, we drug test you, that would be impacted. And so I know you have science, but we would prefer if we could continue drug testing people to make money. And but then what are they attacking? They're attacking the ultravirase, they're attacking that now. I guess that June 29th hearing does make sense in this instance now. But because what they've done so far is the the acting attorney general, who may be voted in and be the attorney general, uh, issued something from the hip where he just says that we're getting in compliance with our treaty obligations or international treaty obligations, and that's why I don't need to do the process that will be on the 29th, that is for the rest of Schedule 3.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Okay. And again, people are gonna get mad whenever I talk about the sparish Japan. Well, you didn't have legalization. Yeah, it was cool that everybody got to sell it to somebody else, but people were still getting piss tests, and truckers didn't have rights and all this other stuff. If it didn't matter, these guys wouldn't be scared, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Like this is happening. And but what's the best that they're gonna be able to do? Are they gonna get an injunction? How much are they really being hurt? How many drug tests have been canceled in the past month and a half since that April 23rd order? A few, but like Florida, no, that's you can't it's interesting, there's definitely interesting times, and we'll have I'm not quite able to get back to doing videos, but I think I'll be able to get back to doing videos in the next couple of months. I'll do some, but for some reason, I'll be quite centric on a particular location in Pekin, Illinois, where you're 21 or a medical patient can make purchases of certain guts. Hey, come on down, Taswell, can we? Is it Taswell or Taswell? How do they pronounce it? Taswell. I said Taswell, but I'm like looking at it and it's so like yeah, Illinois has an S on, and we don't pronounce it. Oh no, I respect it. I respect

Drug Testing Lobby Explained

SPEAKER_01 4:52

the words. That's funny, though. I do like to add a uh marijuana moment headline because the actual paperwork is so boring, right? This is the case right here, right? Yeah, uh perhaps. I don't think so. That one says that it was filed on in 2018. Oh, you're right. The one above it probably closer to it. But this is that what was the what's the large acronym? The N D A S A is the long acronym, and that sounds to not gonna have any fun. I'm sorry, National Drug and Alcohol Screening Association. Yeah, you can still screen for the liquor, they get arrested for them, Deweys, or there's always OWI. Uh uh, then you can go screen them for their alcohol. Like they're worried that they're not gonna have just think about all the mandatory testing for the schedule one stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 5:44

Like, once this gets solidified, there will be rights eventually that can be worked in, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:49

There'll be roles that can be shaped around the rescheduling because right now everything's is looking for schedule one, which is right good, not good at all, but it's not schedule one. It's it's gonna be very interesting at our shop. We're gonna be like we have inventory. The inventory is identical, right? The inventory is identical, and then we have a medical patient that'll come in and we file file the paperwork so that we don't have to charge them the tax, and then we can be the medical person patient. That will be a completely lawful transaction. We've we'll register with the DEA. It's here's all our stuff, Gemini Christmas. Take that dispensary in New Mexico that's got no vault, but uh then somebody else behind them will come in and they're just an adult and they will order the same thing, and that's where we have a little sign that says all use is medical use. You are self-prescribing this for medical purposes, and then we just try to avoid IRC 2008 entirely. Yeah, this these are the hurdles that we have to go through. Somebody's commentated the screen is Jack. I think you're looking at the wrong stream. Switch to the other stream because we Stream Guard does have two streams where it does the Instagram on the YouTube too. So we have a good YouTube, yeah. YouTube has one, one of them looks good right now. But if you ever do anything like this, let me do this, let me put on the subscribe button, and so that screws it up. And then if I take off the subscribe button, now we look great. And then if I put this on, oh, that also screws it up. But they don't care because it's a nice nugget. I still haven't gotten a chance. We don't have a name that strange. Sorry, guys. We're gonna try to rebrand that retool it.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Get back to uh the store though, because uh a lot of people have an opinion how this cannabis business stuff should work, really. Uh uh, a lot of people like when we got the store now, you get a brick and mortar, you want to say on a still location across from the courthouse if you can, but like uh we're not done yet. This is just starting, like it's been a three-year process, and a lot of my family, there's congratulations. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Like, congratulations to Tom. Tom, all I had to do was get arrested and believe in something.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

You know what I mean? Now with the social community. We also had to live where you live for five out of the past 10 years. We had to approve all that stuff to the regulators so that they would issue an award us to license. And then the state had the gall to say that we were ancestral equity and deny us a loan, which it is negatively impacting our ability to operate the social equity business, by the way.

Illinois SB 3222 Signed

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Uh, but this this uh next case, or it's our case, then our next story has to do with SB 3222 being signed into law. This happened on Friday. Uh, this is the largest change to the Illinois cannabis laws in six years. Uh, I tried to get a Claude generated uh you know uh uh article out about it and do an email blast, but I've just been busy. Um try. More customers is is the focus though. It's very very limited focus. But um yeah, and so like this is this is big news. And so like this this may also help our lawsuit, because Meggie and I then sued the state of Illinois uh before I left to go to Florida to get married, because of they said that we weren't social equity, and by we uh the company we own. Yeah. The license is based off of soap equity.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

So how do if you're not gonna make it make sense?

SPEAKER_01 9:13

No, they don't want it to make sense. But now the law is effective immediately, and they changed certain provisions to make our license type in particular eligible for those DCEO loans. And some of the other applicants and winners of other licenses in in our cohort were issued more loans. They are way they are not near as far along as we are, and they won't be able to get operational with the funds that were given. But that's just if you list listen to what they were trying to find, it was us. But then if you read it, it's probably because you're not from Illinois. We'll see. Like they didn't tell us that. That's at least what the lawsuit's about, and then it's it'll eventually end in something. But the this SB322, that is huge because now, like, all hemp has to be carded, and then the rest of the hemp is gone on November 12th, and then we can terminate our largest obligation, our largest expense, our larger than our rent is our security guard contract, because that can that goes over 10 grand a month if you are open for 80 hours a week.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

And it's the one that also, or is it a separate bill that increased the limits too and everything?

SPEAKER_01 10:28

This increased the limits. And so, yeah, we we have that that's been published on our Facebook page for Peacens Local Disbone Supply and double possession limits, so it's more like the rest of the states that are around us. We can now be open until two in the morning, but we can't because the local ordinance doesn't say that. And also, you're not gonna sell anything at two in the morning. We might even be closed Mondays. We'll see how that plays out. But not only that, we the craft growers they can go to 14,000 square foot immediately. And there's numerous other changes. For example, we can have the the city ordinance said we can't do a drive-thru, but now the state law says we can do a drive-thru. We can't do a drive-thru where you have 115-year-old building, but we have an alley out back, and so we have a rear entrance. And so that alley out back, that's gonna be our, I hope we have to work with the city on it, but that'll be our curbside pickup. And so people can come through, pull around to out back, we'll just walk it right out. But that's gonna be Dutch Epay only, prepay online

New Store Ops and 710 Promo

SPEAKER_01 11:24

only. Dutchy pay gets released on the 23rd, and we need to put the screws to Dutchy. Dutchie should be sponsoring this show, and we should have a spot for Dutchie on it.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Hey, Dutch, would you join us? Matter of fact, they could take over this 420 spot that I'm gonna be playing here in a second because it's called action for 710. So if you're in Washington or want to come to Washington, there's an opportunity to get involved in shenanigans, for lack of a better.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

But everybody loves shenanigans. Somebody at that restaurant farmer likes shenanigans and shenanigans past the hour.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

All right, so what's up?

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Scott with the dab roast. We're talking about 710. We're doing an art exhibit, but we need your art. So we want you to send it into thedabroast at gmail.com. We're gonna take a look at your art, and if it's something that we feel that we'll go get some votes, we're gonna bring you up on stage, talk about your art, give you some exposure, and if you win enough votes, we'll give you a thousand bucks. It's free to enter a piece of art, it's free to come to our event. We just have to RSVP. So come out to 710, check out a whole bunch of people's cannabis art. We've had some amazing art sent in so far, and we want to see yours. This could be performance art, this could be live art on the spot, but whatever you're into, send it to us, and we'd like to put you on display. We'd like to give you some exposure and get you involved at our 710 event. We've got a bunch of vendors coming out, but this is a private party in downtown Seattle in a secret new location. So reach out for all the details. We'll screen you, we'll figure out if we can invite you, show you off a whole bunch of art, possibly with you a thousand bucks. 710 in Seattle with the DAF roast. This is Scott McKinley. We'll see you there.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

Ribman's also part of those guys.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

We need that's cool. We gotta get him to be a client of Howard East, by the way. He needs a mute to run. But the other thing is we should record some of that shit for our grand opening that's coming up. Oh, it's we're gonna we're gonna do five reels tomorrow. Because Monday, not the busiest day of the week. Right now, Sunday is busier than Monday, and Tuesday is busier than Monday. Monday is not much going on on Monday. Again, there is a lot going on every day because you have a facility that you're running now. You have a store that let's try and make something happen every day.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

And so let's

Virginia Legal Sales Deal

SPEAKER_02 13:45

hope. Hey, we got Virginia in the news. Lawmakers and governors have a deal and build or legalize marijuana sales this month, supposedly, allegedly.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Allegedly. Yeah, that would be cool. I really hope that because it it screwed the application consulting business dropped off the face of the earth about a year ago when Utah ended. After Utah wrapped up, there's a little bit in Rhode Island. Rhode Island got became extremely difficult to do because it was so tied to real estate. And then Nebraska still hasn't gone. Like Nebraska dispensaries, it hasn't been around for that. That's months late. It's almost as the same amount of months late as the FDA's approved and abonoid list. That's four months late. And then there was Virginia that looked like it was gonna suck all the fame out of the country and be the next big application around state trying to sell like the MSOs. Here's how we do the real estate plan, control the shelves, but still gonna try to do that if they they reach this deal. But I I don't know what are the specifics of it. Has it happened yet? It hasn't. If they put it in the budget, great, and then we can get back to trying to help more people get licenses.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

And then again, here's my question to you because you've been doing this for lack of a better word, the new trap, new game when it comes to cannabis, right? Like it used to be licit and Google.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

There used to be no license, no records. Now it's like license and records, please. Yeah, yeah.

Rescheduling and Next Green Rush

SPEAKER_02 15:15

And so my question to you, because you saw like a lot of people, there's like these different waves of green rush, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Where first I know a lot of people were afraid first to jump in the middle, and then when we got adult use, we answered the edge one. He's like, Yeah, I'm the one who brought on the venture brush or whatever, but that was bound to come and happen eventually.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

And then there was a huge rush of people buying licenses and to amendment. That was a huge flow of money. Like with the rescheduling, though, do you think that's gonna happen again?

SPEAKER_01 15:42

You know, I mean, people are pushing limits and trying to, you know, absolutely opposite. And so everybody's gonna go legit because they all want credit cards out their stores, they all want financing, they all want banking, they all want to be able to say, no, this isn't money laundering, this is legal, this is federally compliant, and so that's the next gold rush or green rush in this. It's gonna be straight up legal.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Would this be part of the would you this Tim Rivers, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Like this is a huge huge. I think so. I their footprint is uniquely medical. There's no true leaf in Illinois, there's no true leaf out west. I don't know, I don't know. I guess what this kind of signifies is that there's no true leaf that's serving the adult use market. Or so de minimis, they would they look the other way, but also it it shows that the the stock market is willing to list somebody provided that they are compliant. Are they compliant? There's lawsuits trying to challenge with Besson. I can't remember the guy's name, Blanche. Blanche and Besson, they're the two whitest freaking guys, and like that should be one of the is it Todd Besson's or Blanche's the interme, I think god damn it. They they they're both named Todd. Okay, fuck this administration.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Faceless white guy, that's Todd?

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

But it's a huge step. Everybody wants to underbine this follow these big players, right? I have to give respect to them. Like when people talk about, I hate the word fucking pioneer or people who are not listening, Mark.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

There's a lot of wrong trails, blazers. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like in the end, once you get real rules, you're gonna have your first players no matter what. And the whole goal here is one day you can have homework, one day you can like tomatoes. I would like to call the police of what those plants on my back. Yeah, but vodka's not tomatoes, and so poppies, cocaine, and then so there's just plant uh what's the peyote mushrooms, and so there's there are medicinal plants and they will be controlled, and so and that you want the medicinal plants controlled. You don't want somebody eating mushrooms that are gonna get them hurt, you don't want well, like smoking weed that's laced with crap, and so like that regulation, because it is a medicinal plant, you need that you can't you can't have it be banned and have it be safe.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

I think the word control here is something that people will like what we're looking at because even with mushrooms, there's a mushroom emporium down here by stamina, Paul Stameth too. Yeah, that there are some psychedelic mushroom spores I can buy and grow myself, right? But I'm not gonna be selling them on a market, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Like see with cannabis. Like, why can't we just have seeds and then because

Hemp Crackdown and THCA Debate

SPEAKER_01 18:26

fucking gas stations and those hamsters, those hamsters were wilding out saying THCA isn't fucking weed. They were next story is of like kind of how the mainstream media still doesn't get what's going on. Congresses have cracked down, could eliminate CBD sleep aids, THC drinks, and THC products across Michigan and Ohio. This seems like a purchased story, but at the same time, it came out on June 8th on this mytechnews.com. That's a reliable source, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

And um right to but like, but you the whole thing is it's just all these clickbait, it's all the same power gram, right? It's all gonna, in the end, it's going away. I wish I had something better to say for these people. And the only reason why I always say it's going away is just we gotta get that bag and get the fuck out.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Because you're about to be holding on a bunch of products come November, not now already. Less and less each year or each day, each coming day, but that nobody's coming to save them. And here's what's coming to save them legal wheat, Kim Rivers being listed on the Nasdaq or an NSA. And so these beverages, those probably aren't coming to be saved unless Kim Rivers is selling them. And then then it's all right. You I bet we're gonna have to, and so that might be another amendment to our statute in the coming year, would be to allow us, and like we would get a cooler and we would stock the five, 10 milligram. We wouldn't call it pemp anymore. There's places already like New Mexico who have these mounges. Like last night, Chad Osano was talking to him, and he was watching FIFA and a bar where they're doing dabs and they can get five milligram drinks.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

They can actually even ask how much milligrams they want on the drinks. They were able to, they can they don't have they have no limits. New Mexico is the wild card in all this, where they already have these stuff.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Yeah, but if they're all right, we're gonna probably see federal regulations and then they're gonna have to get alight to a certain extent, or not get access to the banking or something like that. There will be rules, like you know, and we still don't have rules.

Federal Rules and Enforcement Ahead

SPEAKER_01 20:32

I think that's what's coming for 2027, 2028. You get schedule three here, and then it would be interesting if you have to understand the marijuana crimes in the Controlled Substances Act are very often substance specific. So if they start enforcing the marijuana crimes against people that don't have the license register of the DEA, is that gonna already happen now with him?

SPEAKER_02 20:55

People are legit selling weed and they're being busted because they're just not compliant with the freaking state rules, like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

But come November, they could do big raids, but I don't think they're gonna do big raids. I I let's see how this election goes. But if the Democrats are running the show, I don't know, like they could try to do big raids or whatever, but it's just gonna be the

AI Employees Debate

SPEAKER_01 21:17

impeachment. It'll be like the last last time he had. Hopefully, his first lame duck era or whatever, his first time when he lost the midterms, we got COVID. And so this time he's gonna lose the midterms, and we're gonna have AI employees. No way, we're gonna bowl up Trinity Loop. I'm not saying the AI employees won't be good for business. I could see the upside of the AI employees making a lot of money for a lot of people, and maybe that'll like maybe that'll be his win. The AI employees, nobody gets fired, and all the companies make percent more money. And or or in his math, 500% more, six, nine hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

Yeah, it's just a tool, dog. That's all it is.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Well, it's not a

Marijuana Laws Shift

SPEAKER_01 21:59

tool, it's the law. You know, cause it's new normal or go federal marijuana traffic prosecutions plummet following adoption of state level laws under no shit Sherlock. Like but then also understanding for our lead story where that the drug testing association was suing to stop them from going back to Schedule Three. No shit. When when these things change, all of a sudden the prosecutions drop off a cliff, and I'm not having somebody pee in the cup to test for the easiest thing in the world.

Green Lab Blog Plug

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Oh, speaking of cops and peeing at this, I finally finished uh the article that was about my green lab experience. Good.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

If you go to our website, CLU, there's a blog post right there. It's my green lab uh sister to the wet lab. And I just sit here and uh break down the experience and working with the cops.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

And honestly, I was automating a lot of that then. The thing's working, it looks like there's a lot of new pages in there. You're promoting the website. No, it's good. That's what we're doing today now, bro. We'll post an article in the in the in the comments. We have to update the prompts then for creating the show notes to allow for the seamless interweaving of commercials and self-promotion. Is that what we're doing? We're weaving, we're just weaving, baby. Right, don't do that. The the orange man in chief that's gonna have the people wrestle out back tonight. Yeah, he would say that he uses the weave. At least we could say we got a little high. There is a little high hat somewhere around here that's from Cresco. It's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Little high hat?

SPEAKER_01 23:26

It just says I got a little high. It's basically a line from Towley. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Nice.

Rhode Island Lottery Woes

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Next story is out of Runa.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

Uh with legislation to eliminate residence requirements. Would this be another opportunity for you for the consulting?

SPEAKER_01 23:41

If they restart the lottery, but uh it's like a lot of these lotteries and stuff like that suck. It's like Rhode Island really sucked. It was hard, it's got a good population, but it's a dinky little state. And then they did not allow applications to stack on property. There's very few compliant properties. You very often have to have a property, and then you want the landlord to stop marketing this property that you're giving to the state to say that you're gonna have, and then you're gonna have to wait six months before you have that lottery, and you can't you have to have that real estate locked up and ready to go for it, and that's the only person that's allowed to do it. Talk about making it a millionaires contest. Can you bleed 10 grand a month on real estate costs? Can you bleed five grand? How much can you bleed a month? Dollar nine to the industry, $1.99. It's not like yeah, but then it's that's where they're at now. And so then the the okay, letting out of state people in, great. How much of these people already lost on that real estate they were holding? And that was like the last that was after Utah, and then so you after Utah was Rhode Island, and Rhode Island turned out, and then now we're here. Remove that guy in Texas like in the beginning of the Texas rollout that never really got through.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

He was folding a piece of property for a year. John,

Cannabis Taxes Breakdown

SPEAKER_02 25:04

also you're thinking about like how y'all speaking about the bleed out because DC, District of Columbia's a budget proposal raising the taxes on their medical marijuana. I think it's gonna be which is still low compared to most things.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Yeah, ours is we got three percent at the local level, we got three percent at the county level, we got all the sales tax that you want too, and then buddy, yeah, taxes based on THC. And so yeah, we have if it's more than 35%, high tax. If it's less than 35%, it's 10%, it's lower tax. And if it's an edible, it's a different tax. And there's just too much tax. And so we actually tax by THC percentages, which is why our vapes are more expensive than Michigan vapes.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

Sure, you know who ends up argument? Talking to accountants. Like there's no reason to do that. Sort of the vision of the uh the taxing for the flour, but because each state's different too. I think in here, Washa State, it's just a flat, you know, processor, producer, and then of course stores either way, still high.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

I think it's upset 35%. Yeah, it's not good.

Alabama Program Slow Roll

SPEAKER_01 26:10

But what is good is in Alabama they got the first order patients so far. That's great. And then talking about bleeding out while you're trying to get your license going, Alabama is right up there, number one with a bullet. These people have been holding on for five years, and Alabama and Georgia, they would be like, show us six hundred thousand dollars. Like, you're not gonna let you do anything except for lose that money for the next five years. And that's they finally got I think True Leap's got something in Alabama too.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

That's unfortunate where you have what Alabama and Kentucky when they opened started, it was like, yeah, they have 500,000 or some shit in the bank.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

No, it wasn't Kentucky, it was Alabama and Georgia. Okay, Kentucky did it right. Kentucky did a good job. Arizona was what just the fifty thousand dollars players' fee, like Arizona had some high fees, and then they did social equity, which turned into just mad punts after that, where people are trying to exit because you can't. Social equity in cannabis, and then once you get into the regulations and it's gonna be over a million bucks to get operational.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

And again, I still got a day job. People can assume that like all of a sudden life is golden and this whole no, no, it's it's a uh we we no one gets paid until the employees get paid, and then the bills get paid.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

You gotta pay the vendors, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Everything else has to get paid first until you figure out the bottom line, and that's unfortunate for hey, but we've donated 11 bucks to Freedom Grow today.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Well, yeah, dude, that's probably a half-arold toilet paper. You know that probably lower price, but fortunate. It is.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Our prison, and then they're testing. Those guys are like, please, Yana, we gotta test these people so we can send them back to the jail, and then they can wait for Freedom Grow to buy them some fucking throat paper. Get out of here. Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

You know, I mean bad people belong in jail.

Recalls and Mold Testing

SPEAKER_02 27:56

We have uh recall me. I know a lot of somebody with concern about recalls in yeah. Have you seen a recall for our story?

SPEAKER_01 28:05

No, we've only been open for like a week and a half. So I don't know what kind of like newsletters are out there or whatever. Like the recalls in Illinois are are uh more rare than recalls in uh well the regulation for the the edibles is just obnoxious, and so the regulation for the edibles in Illinois is pretty strict, and and and and there's not very many operators as well. So um you just well, I haven't seen them because like I have this email alert that you'll get, and so I have seen some from Missouri, but most of them, the ones that I see are out of Colorado, Oregon, like you know, Oklahoma, Maine, California sometimes. Uh but yeah, and as far as their auto testing, they found unsafe levels of uh yeast and low, which you know you never get that man. There aren't any.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

The testing there's been a lot of people. You don't test for it, it doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Really? So that's that's the secret. I just have to not test for something, you know. I guess I guess I'm not gonna find what I'm looking for if I don't look for it. Well, and again, everybody has their opinion on how a market should be

Data Centers and Latency

SPEAKER_01 29:11

run, like uh the radiation conversation about how sometimes uh you know the data centers or well, you know, like we all have our you know, for a guy me, myself who loves a uh I I don't I'm not pro-data center, but you are and I I am, yeah. I'm just more about the light pollution and waste pollution person. Like I wouldn't want to live next to it. But what yeah, I think that the data center in space is really the way to go, but and then the data center may be like in the oceans, uh where there's also no valleys, yeah, or in the middle of the alkali flats in South Dakota. But then it's just now we just have to have do you want to be closer to the data center because the speed of light is the speed of light, and you want to have less latency, which is that now you really are in a 21st century like slot. I want it 0.2 microseconds faster. You know, you know, something only in our oh no, that they did that's how a lot of the algorithmic trading goes down in New York. Like they'll try to be, or even in Chicago, they will try to be as close to the floor as possible so they have the least amount of latency. Latency.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Yeah, there's a lot of like back end stuff that happened too, like with previous hackers and stuff. That's another podcast.

France Hemp Market Chaos

SPEAKER_02 30:23

We have France in the news international, rising adultery cannabis in France as L C D Band Shakespeare.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

It's I think they're referring to more of the poop suit, but it's not the actual right because they're they haven't this is like an unregulated market. This one I didn't read, I did not read this one. This one was like France. I gotta go back to work. So they have their own version, what we have right now, and so like I think they're going through the same makes and pains where you know, like we had Vape Gate, like people remember Vapegate where kids were buying with the popcorn lung, and it was being uh that was years ago now. That I think it might have even been before COVID. Yeah, we have really before COVID, probably time. Uh, because the poop soup didn't really come out until after the CBD swan. So back when they did the 2019 would have been the first crop year, really big crop year for him, and then they all thought they're gonna make a shitload of money. And then uh 2020 comes along, and then suddenly it's COVID. What am I gonna do with all this fucking CBD? A little bit of chemistry, we could turn that into Delta 8, Delta 9, and who knows what other cannabinoid we could turn it into. Right. No, 100%. And then that's definitely what led to that's what led to seeds being bad. Thanks, three shy from Indiana. Thanks.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

But it is though,

Hemp Genetics Loopholes

SPEAKER_02 31:43

man. And that's why I get upset about this hemp thing.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Yeah, but I'm like, I don't know, they haven't defined it genetically yet. Keep fucking around and find out, but they haven't defined it genetically yet. And so you might have the seed and clone loophole indefinitely if you don't, I mean, shut up about it. But when you define it genetically, I mean, like to what extreme would that like stop? Like, I mean, defined it as soon as it's like Illinois defined it genetically, and so like now Illinois defined it genetically. So what kind of there? Is it like a chemical thing? 25 to 1, like the the original hemp from the 2018 farm bill, you know, ACBC lifter, Charlotte's Webb, the wife, Trump number one, yeah, cherry wine. Yeah. But when you say genetically, though, it's just a depth uh it's not like a chemical definition, it has to meet the spec. Some states have the chemical definition, but the federal definition still is not based on genetics. And so shut up about it. But there is there's enough space between a tissue culture and a clone and the gas station where you're buying smokes and like impulse items. So a finished product like that is still well downstream, and I think we'll be able to have genetics

Missouri Genetics Lockdown

SPEAKER_01 33:00

from that. But then you have Missouri, Missouri's crazy, like you can't bring any genetics into Missouri, which is terrible. Like, why would you do that? And so, like, now you can't have an interstate market because according to the rule, and so like that's one of those things where if I had the right client, can I pay me a lot of money and make a very good argument to the good people of Missouri about how they've uh violated the dormant commerce clause by locking out this uh genetic material, uh, or or some other one, uh, where then they can't they can't just have all the strains that were there when you got licensed. That's it. And so, like, if there's a new strain that comes in, then that genetic is found in Missouri place, they get fined, they can get yanked, they can lose their license. So there's real breeding, yeah, in in Missouri because I mean you're gonna be able to do that. Let's say we have like Hermann Marker, right? Or like, you know, uh, what was the other one that that was something gelato, like Tuscan gelato or something like that? Let's say you got those genetics, yeah. Um, no, no, you don't like you lose your license if those genetics show up in Missouri, unless like you cook it up in your lab or in your basement, which good luck with that, you know. How about this though? What if like you actually just start growing season? Everything's just a name made up, right? Cheetah piss. Sure, you just have a really good grower that smokes something once and oh, it's this, this, and this. Give me these, get this in our stock, and I'll cross it up for you. But how long is that cross up gonna take? But like that it's an eventual, yeah, sure, but then then it's not hot anymore.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

But it's a workaround just saying it's stuck, so it's not a good one, not a that that's surprising.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

I always think it was funny to have a markets just start like all of a sudden, like everybody just closes their eyes and baby stores brought seeds and clones, and then you're locked in amber in Missouri. I don't like it, I think it's freaking weird and crazy, but I also think with Schedule Three, you can't do it because then you are uh preventing your operators from accessing what the market wants in a lawful way, if it says, Oh, yeah, it all has to be bred and grown here according to the statute you have. I don't know if you can do it. Can you draft the alcohol statutes that all beer sold in Washington must be made in Washington? No, not here. You can't do it in Illinois. Yeah. Again, that's a lawsuit, right? Like you said, the dorm of common claws were you know the violation of label suit. It's a self-deal at the exclusion of interstate commerce. But this is these are the good questions, these are the questions that we get to deal with now on cannabis legalization news. Oh, wait, we should have a fam share or something like that. But whatever. It's a live podcast. But we get a yeah, we get to deal with these issues as opposed to covering a fucking loophole. Uh and a lot of people are butthurt about that, but now we actually get a change the laws. Yeah, yeah, it's shaping so much better than it used

FDA Breakthrough Cannabinoid

SPEAKER_01 36:02

to be.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Matter of fact, but we're finding new things about this plan. Did you see this one? The FDA group breakthrough therapy designation to so this for difficult verwan, right? Very scientific. It's actually a cabinoid, based off of cabinet. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

So I thought that was interesting. So this is obviously a PR news. Yeah, it's a press release.

Dispensary Grand Opening Talk

SPEAKER_01 36:22

We're sending one of those out for a grand opening, which may or may not be on June 27th. Where's that grand opening in, is it here?

SPEAKER_02 36:30

Is it here?

SPEAKER_01 36:30

Oh, it is gonna be in the party room that we have over at the local dispone supply. That's right. We have a party room. You can rent it. We have a dispensary that has a flexible space, like a real community center, which we thought about maybe renting it to a coffee shop, but do you have any idea how much updates a coffee shop needs?

SPEAKER_02 36:50

They need a lot of you're in Cesarwalk County, come get your week across from the courthouse.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

What I think that just actually crossed the line. We probably got demonetized.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

No one, no what? You know what? Yeah, that's the that's the problem. No matter how hard you try to be in line with the rules, working running a legal store.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

Once I get that DEA registration, I think we just quit that in the quarter and then say a little ticker just goes educational purposes only, educational purposes only, and then and then we'll get the Pope, and the Pope bless it. That's that's what we need, goddammit. That's what we fucking need, but

Shop Operations and Q&A

SPEAKER_01 37:31

uh but yeah, there's there's more cannabis legalization news coming. We're doing our customer ramp right now down in Peak, and I'll be focused on that. But then after I get the customer ramped iron out, then I can get back to making YouTube's and managing dispensary and all law firm. My question to people is what do you have a question for about running the show? Like, like you know, everybody has their vision of what I I think it's we could get a pool table, we could put a pool table in there. Oh, it's a big space. Oh, yeah, maybe but then we can't appeal to kids. But then again, it doesn't really matter. We have a 21-year-old sign and so you can't go in that room, but we'll see. We have to work with the city.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

And then I PDR, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:15

IDPFR.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

You have to ask for permission, not for No, we do not.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

We do not ship the drug. One day. When we do when we're able to do that's a day I'll be driving 20 pounds with you. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna go drive over there. I have to take some stuff for the waiting room. So that it doesn't look as bad as it does

Wrap Up and Next Show

SPEAKER_01 38:38

right now. And next week we'll have more on it. Oh, next week is Father's Day. What do we want to do on that? My family wants me to be recognized or something, shit like that. Yeah, I might have a little barbecue with a friend. So let's just do it a Saturday. Yeah. Do it Saturday. Yeah, all right. Next week's Saturday, everybody. Join us. Oh yeah.