Erica Kirk, Bed Bugs, Cigarettes & Broken Dreams

 Show Description / Episode Show Notes:

Kerri, a Gen X, conservative comedian and author, and Suze, an elder lefty Millennial Mama who’s totally outnumbered, are two old friends diving into life from opposite sides of the spectrum. From pop culture and botox to divorce, faith , and everything in between, they’re a little unhinged, a little risky, and guaranteed to get in trouble along the way.  

In this episode, we talk about:

•The latest in pop culture and what actually matters. Aka, who is Erika Kirk anyway. 

•The joys and chaos of parenting across generations

•Faith, friendship, and those moments that make you question everything.

• And of course creams and things to make us look as young as possible because - vanity. 

⏱️ TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 Intro

00:25 Health spiral + eye situation

02:20 Arizona trip chaos

02:55 Bed bugs 😳

05:00 90s nostalgia + style obsession

10:30 Main topic begins

13:30 Why people ignore the truth

25:30 Why facts don’t change minds

32:00 Faith + identity discussion

35:45 Beauty segment chaos

🎙 Check out some of the people we mentioned. 

🔗 Perez Hilton: https://perezhilton.com/

🔗 Daily Dose of Dana (podcast): https://www.dailydosepod.com/

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Okay, hi. Hi, everybody. It's Carrie and Suze. Welcome back to our podcast. We are so excited to have you. So many things going on. So many things to talk about. Susie, how was your week? Your clavicle, show everyone. It's amazing. It's showing your soul skinny.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

So bad. Um, so um it was horrible. That's how my week was. I love it. Tell me everything. Um, like not horrible, like I live in a world country, but like horrible, you know, like challenging. So you know, like LA, like LA horrible. Yeah. So you know the eye thing I talked about, right?

SPEAKER_00 0:47

So give the you were using slimming cream on your body. Okay. So what I do want to say though, importantly, is that your eyes look so much slimmer.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Right. They do. Yeah, your eyes really then also because I can't wear mascara. So it gets worse from there. So then I have to go to the doctor because now I'm fatigued, like very fatigued, like not right, like can't drive. Yeah. Fatigue, like, can't drive my children safely. And so um I'm calling around trying to find an urgent care that also has IVs. So I so number one, if you say you have IVs on your website, have them because I called five, not available, not available, not available. I was willing to pay cash, which I ended up having to. So I finally went to urgent care at Cedar Sinides and she was like, oh, oh, oh, oh. And then she looked at my labs and I have chronically low iron, you know, and so then she was like gonna test me for like autoimmune disease, etc. So, anyways, she gives me drops that are like antibiotic and some kind of cream. And then the next day, I have an Ivy nurse come and she doses me up because the following day.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Tell me you're from hold on, tell me you're from LA without telling me if you're from LA. Get the nurse to the house, get the NAD get the Chloe Kardashian special. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

And then because the following day, I had to drive my oldest daughter, another mom, and her friend to Arizona from L.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

I hate I hate this for you so much that you have gotten into the dark world of being a gymnastics mom. Like, we'll talk about it on another. I just want to publicly say I hate this for you. Go ahead. So you drove to Arizona.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

So then, but I was not well enough. If I didn't have the IV, Brody was gonna have to drive this girl and this kid and then like stay at a different hotel because we were staying sharing a room. We get to we finally get to Arizona. I'm, you know, the IV's helping. We get to Arizona, we get in our room. It's like late at night. We do start the girl's hair, 11:21. The other little girl finds a bed bug.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Girl. Girl.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Girl. We don't get to another hotel until 2:16 in the morning. Oh my god. To perform the next day. Like this is horrible. You know, flips. It was so insane. And so bed bug. So externally, I'm trying to play it cool, which was so not cool enough that Brody, my husband, literally said on the phone, he goes, tap tap down the fear. But internally, I am running around the hotel room screaming. That's what I was doing. But inside, I was like, okay, girls, it's okay. We'll just take our flashlights and look at it.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

Like it's so like as a mom, when our kids get stuff like lice and we have to pretend it's not a big deal, and it is a big deal. And internally, we're like, I hate this so much. I don't want to be doing this. This is a horrible experience. And then you're like, it's nothing. It's still fine. It's just nothing. It's just, it's just, we're just gonna lice all the whole house. But I'm sorry, did you make it like did you make it home in one day?

SPEAKER_01 4:01

But then we got home, and everyone in my family had a fever. Me? Oh my gosh, yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Usually I know horrible.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

All over 101, except Brody, who was like 100.9. And I'm continuously itching. I don't have the bed bugs, but it's so in my mind that last night I had a very vivid dream that we had life.

unknown 4:22

And I woke up.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

The dream was so powerful. I woke up and then it's like, do I have I do I have life?

SPEAKER_00 4:30

I I've been taking Anvil PM and it gives me anxiety dreams. I dreamed that I was back in grade school with my daughter last night and I didn't have any friends. And it's like and then I was like, I'm 40 or 50 or however old I am. Why am I in ninth grade? But I can't get out of it. Like I can't leave and I have to write this report.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Okay, so more memories. They're fast.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

So we'll get to our don't stay with us, listeners. We're gonna get to our real topic. But my obsession this week, and I do mean capital O obsession, is so pivotal to the world today. It's um the love story mini-series with produced by Ryan Murphy based on my new style icon, Carolyn Bissett Kennedy and JFK Jr. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I'm gonna give you a little fun fact. When I was on the tonight's show and I was in the makeup room, and they would say who the mystery guest was coming, he was coming into my dressing room, and it was JFK Jr.

unknown 5:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

You saw it in present in person? I mean leading. I might have been hiding in the closet, just like leaving quickly, but I can technically say that I shared a dressing room with JFK Jr. It is a fact. It is a fact, but okay, the reason that I'm bringing this up, and if you haven't seen Love Story, you need to leave your job and go watch it. I really mean it. It's the highest ranked mini-theories of like all time, it's the love story, obviously fictionalized. I don't think any of it's true. I don't even care. About Carolyn Bissett Kennedy and JFK Jr. And the reason that every woman on the planet, and probably some men, are idolizing the style. Every woman, right? Did you did you remember her? She's a little before your time, but you were I do remember her.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Yes. They because they passed my senior of high school. So I do remember her because people magazine was still around, and I remember her sleekness. Like I wanted to be uh maybe this is for the thinness.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Well, it's the Calvin Klein. She discovered Kate. Carolyn Bissett Kennedy discovered Kate Moss. Like, she's the one that gave Kate Moss her first. She worked at Calvin Klein, and it's that aesthetic that I really think you and I aspire to. Um, it's the aesthetic of having the body of a nine-year-old boy who's about five nine. Gaunt like gaunt blonde, and the actress. Okay, this is my other fun fact. You want Hollywood trivia? Okay, so the actress who played Carolyn was a brunette. And I texted you from Home Depot yesterday because, because I'm so Hollywood, I have used my connections and gotten to the hairstylist that made her blonde. I I have weaved my way through society. Um, I don't have a cure for cancer, but I have her phone number and we've been connecting. I don't think I'm gonna go blonde, but I need her to give me the stamp of approval of my hair. Like I have her number. I can share it with you know, listeners if they want to write in. I know who she is. She works in Beverly Hills, and it's very bad because her salon has the address Burton Way. And when you have the address Burton Way, that just adds another zero to what she's gonna charge. Right. But what did you say? I said Lucy doesn't need college. I'm gonna pay for all these treatments. And what did you text me? There are loans. There are loans because I really want to get my hair done by this lady. So, but to wrap up our like why I love the show, we were talking about it. I don't, it's the style, it's the cigarettes we both lived in New York.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Oh, like it's the New York smoking. Sorry, it's very New York before cell phones.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

It's the New York when the guy calls you up on the phone in your apartment and leaves you a message. It's not the guy liking your Instagram post, it's the guy standing outside your window, like JFK standing outside our window in New York City on his bike. I mean, it's it's just pure joy. And the soundtrack is like 90s goo-goo dolls, and it's the Hamptons. It's every binge-worthy, right? Like, and we both lived in New York, and it's just walking in the the warm streets of summer. It's just it's just nostalgia joy the way only Ryan Murphy can do it. It's not even close to the truth. It's not even close to the truth. I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

So nostalgic.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

I just like New York and I miss, I'm gonna say this. I miss my 20s sometimes, like not daily, not weekly. I had a lot of fun. Um, I really did on my Christian scale, C minus. Not too bad, not you know, but like I had a lot of fun, and I don't necessarily want my daughter to have those same 20s, but I don't know if I regret it. Like it was really fun.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Like you regret your 20s? Um, hated them so much. Oh awful. They were horrible, horrible. I enjoyed my time in New York. That was the beginning of my 20s. I loved that, but I turned 20 right after 9-11, living in New York City. So, but then yeah, it was just they were horrible.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

They were not I had the most. I was living in LA at 9-11 and we were going out at 11 o'clock at night. But, anyways, if you have a nostalgia and you want to see the greatest style, every woman in America is now wearing what you're wearing, like a cool palette of like a white shirt and like black trousers. And I found this clinic in Mexico that will actually stretch my knees. Uh, six months stay at the and I go in there and they just stretch it, and I will come out taller. So I'm it's only 119,000. And I'm not, um, I don't hate it. I just have to leave my kids and then I'm gonna get a nose job and then a little more filler and then blonde hair and just go to New York. I don't think it's a bad thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Wear a black pixel skirt, some knee-high boots, a white skirt on mince skirt. I have on the skirt.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

I have on the skirt today. Oh my gosh. Okay, so to okay, so now we know. Watch love story. Susie's eyes are slim. We'll hear about it at the end of the episode. Now, yeah also don't smoke. Okay, on to our main topic of the day. Um, and I'm I'm sort of scared to talk about this because of all the opinions we're gonna get, but I think we should because we really decided with this podcast, right, that we're gonna be unapologetically truthful and uh tackle things that other podcasts may or may not be tackling, even from a Christian perspective. So what we're tackling today is we both found out something about each other a few weeks ago that we both were partaking in. And it's not like smoking, but sometimes you have a bad habit or a habit that you don't want to tell other people. And you know, we're not drinking and smoking and doing drugs, but I confess something to you, and you had the same habit. I admit to America and Canada and whoever's listening that I listen to Candace Owens podcast, and you admitted I do as well.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Blake Lively and Baldoni, they were my gateway.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

My gateway to Candace was Perez Hilton led me to Blake and uh Baldone, which led me to Candace, which led me back to Perez, and then Nancy Guthrie led me to Joseph Donna. We want to give a shout out to Daily Josephana, but those there's so much to talk about Candace. The big thing that because there's so much to talk about her, the thing that we want to really focus on that I wanted this episode to be about are Erica Kirk. Yeah, I said it. Erica Kirk, she has just done an expose. And if you don't know who Candace Owens is, she is an investigative journalist who used to be on the Daily Wire, parted ways with Ben Shapiro, and now she has her own show. Not only does she have her own show, it's the highest listened to podcast in the world. But the one that, yeah, it is, by the way. Even Joe Rogan, she has more listeners than Joe Rogan. The one that we're gonna focus on is she was best friends with Charlie Kirk. And I'm just catching our listeners up. And she had strong opinions, opinions about Charlie Kirk's murder, and it kind of started the gateway for me because the world at large had already believed the narrative. Like Charlie Kirk was killed by this boy, case closed, we're not doing any investigations. And then a bunch of Twilight Zones started happening, right? If you want to like fill it in. And then she tried to meet with Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's beloved widow, and it didn't go well. And basically, everybody's like, just shut up, Candace. Not only were they like, shut up, Candace, they're like, you're a demon, Candace. And the Christian world at large, I would say mainly the conservative and Christian world at large, has bestowed Mother Mary, blessed Mary status to Erica Kirk. And I was all in. My daughter was like, she doesn't seem right, but I was like, no, no, she's a widow, Lucy. We can't say anything bad about her. And I drank the Kool-Aid, and we all just started adhering to this narrative that Erica Kirk is perfect. There's nothing wrong with Erica Kirk, and we don't want to, you know, badmouth Erica Kirk in any way. She's taking over Turning Point USA. And there were signs, there were signs, like she was on stage at a rally with sparklers, and they were they were selling photo ops of Charlie Kirk's murder location. There were signs, and I was still not, and everybody that I kind of follow in that world, and you guys are listening, you're probably half our audience, was like, we bless Erica. Candace is the devil, literally. It's like we bless Erica. Now, here's the whole point of this episode. And I said to you, what if Candace was bringing the receipts and Candace proved to us that she was right? What if? And we are going to prove today, we're gonna say it. Candace is right, at least for half of it. Don't you agree? I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

So here's here's my thing with Candace. Never mind. I don't think she started as an investigative journalist. I think this has become she was more on the political side. Okay, but like aren't you investigating? She has tried to move into that, right? I didn't listen to her on Daily Wire.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

That's why I only know her as a journalist.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

I didn't either. Um, that's number one. Number two, I've never been a fan of turning point, turning point faith. It always freaked me out.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Like, I'm gonna say point point B, I am, have been, am actually on the show. I'm actually on the Charlie Kirk show. So it's good. We're coming from this objectively, truly.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Totally. Like I wrote Minnie a response when I would hear him say certain things because I'm like, I disagree. You are saying that a woman should, you know. So um the the issue with the whole Erica Kirk thing, like there are just like repeated things that just don't make sense, and like that she has said, like the dating thing, that really gets me.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

I started before Candace even brought it up because just point blank. I want our listeners to understand. Point blank, let's give one example. She said, and I quote, I have never dated for the five years before I met Charlie Kirk. I did not date, right? She said for five years. What did we find out? She had. Not only she dated, it's on video.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Yeah, it's on video. And the other thing, it's like when she talks about that, she lived around the world, but then she was like following her boyfriend who was a uh basketball player.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Baseball player, there was one basketball player, but then there was one baseball player, and she moved to Europe to live with the basketball player, and then she followed around the baseball player. This is all good, girl. I would do it too. There's no judgment, but there's a video of her and her boyfriend, and it's totally not, and we've all evolved, so I'm not bagging on her for not being Christian, Erica Kirk, like, but she's on the video, it's all over the internet with this guy, and she's telling him to lower his shirt collar because sex sells because they're trying to get on American race, American amazing race. Now, the narrative that Candace is building, which I think that it's worth exploring, is that Erica has created a profile that she only wants us to see this side of her, but there's a whole nother side that she's completely lying about. And I want to know why the Emperor's new clothes, why is nobody acknowledging it? Except Candace Owens. Why?

SPEAKER_01 17:41

I think several reasons. Number one, algorithms, right? So, whatever algorithm you're on, that is what you're gonna believe. Number two, I think people like people with money. Like, I'm I'm gonna be honest. She's pretty, she's blonde, she has tons of money, and and for like that is so human to like be into that, be wanting wanting to be part of the winning team, etc. I mean, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

I love Carolyn Bassett and JFK Jr., but this is this is real. And then there were there were so many lies. I'm not bad, I truly don't. This is not like a hate fest. What I'm questioning is the world is saying you have to believe this narrative. Like my side of the world, maybe the conservative side or whatever, our side, you know, whatever. The Christian world, you have to believe this narrative, and you can't say anything wrong. I think that's dangerous as a society that we've just all chosen to turn a blind eye, whether it's a political figure or a church figure, like we talked about this last night. When these pastors are literally falling apart and going to jail, it turns out that 15 years earlier, the entire congregation had suspicions, but nobody wanted to acknowledge the lies. And I want to know what do you think? Like, why are we as a society? I understand the money point. Do you have any other thoughts on this? Like why I've written pieces about this.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

Okay, we'll talk very, very clearly. So this kind of puts Erica a little aside, although I think there's a massive idolatry of politics. If someone's on our team, then they can do no wrong, and no one calls each other out on their crap. So the pastor is the honoring culture that they have in the church and that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

And they don't podcast 1000%.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

It all comes from really bad theology that makes women and children secondary in value, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:36

But I want to get back to the the lies though. Like, why are we believing the lies?

SPEAKER_01 19:41

I think, well, the the thing about the women and children being secondary in value because they're not the leadership, like it's such clearly the Bible does not say that. So that could be a whole thing. But the lies, I think people want to believe them because you want to believe your intuition is right. There is something so incredibly wrong to me about the memorial service that happened for him and the enmeshment of politics and the enmeshment of wealth and the enmeshment of all of those things together. To me, that's very dark.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Okay, now for me, I'm gonna I'm gonna counterpoint you. I, you know, like I said, it's not a secret. I'm a middle conservative. And so I didn't have a problem with the president being there. I didn't have a problem with the enmeshment of political because his whole life was political. So it'd be like he was almost like a senator in a way, because he was such an advocate. Like he was hugely involved in politics. I think where I saw, like these are just facts, right? So she had a $10 million life insurance policy, but homes, boats, like all the things, flies and private jet. And yet they did a GoFundMe that was six million dollars to protect the children. Free country, great. So you've got $60 million. A week later, a week later, she's saying, I have to take my children into the office because I'm now the sole breadwinner. After all the years of going, I need to be a stay-at-home mom, Charlie wants me home. The day he died, he said, home needs you. So if you're gonna live up to your husband's narrative and your husband's wishes and your husband's desires, why the flip to literally now I might be running for president of the United States?

SPEAKER_01 21:29

For one thing, like maybe, okay, I'm gonna lean on them. Maybe she feels like really compelled to continue his legacy. Let me tell you what I would do though. If someone was giving me that much money, you would never see me again. Ever. I would be off somewhere else with my kids, freaking relaxing. And your cheekbones, girl. I've begun some higher breeding. They didn't even hire cheekbones. But I do think sometimes people can have. This compulsion to go go go go go go go in order to avoid pain. I do think though, like I'm trying to lean on the side of like being. And the thing is, okay, let's give let's give her that. Yeah, let's give her the understanding of her on that, but also money is never free. Never free. And the amount of money that Turning Point had and turning point faith have, and the amount of pastors and people that would like, I think it's like succubit. Like that kind of money is so dangerous. And that amount of money is so dangerous.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

It's like 16 million dollars in like one week. That's that's not and then the other thing is if I want to point back to like us trying to believe this narrative about her. She said, I don't drink. It's on video, right? Like, I don't drink. I never went on dates in New York. We found out that was a lie. There's she was on a reality show. She was trying to get out, she auditioned for four reality shows that we know of, didn't get on them, and finally got on the show Summer House in New York City. There is a video of her drunk, I'm sure you've seen it, with getting the vodka out of the fridge and dating and all the things. So here's my point: why is everyone ignoring the cat calling the kettle black? Like, why is no one talking about the fact that this person is not who she says she is? And yet, our president just appointed her to the Air Force Advisory Council on Defense. What Air Force Academy Cash Patel, what pageant did she win to get on the Air Force Academy Advisory Committee? Please someone tell me political idolatry.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

But why that doesn't even unless Air Force Because no one cares. Like the Trump administration, I think those people are like obviously never been a fan, ever, ever, ever, okay, ever, ever, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:07

But like the the new fan, if you are a fan of our our president, I yeah, I vote. I voted for him. So we're like down the middle.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Not fan. Like, and we can be friends.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Right. Not anymore, but I was okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Yeah, totally. Totally. Um, so I think it's just this desire for like game. I think that's part of the one thing. But it's just like this idology of like being liked, and and it's just so gross to me. Like it actually makes me sick to my stomach.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

But I mean, it's not to like so if we talk about her in particular, because I we did say we didn't want this to be like a hate fest about her, I understand that she's had a very like interesting life, troubled life. If you the thing that I want to go back to is if people want to bag on a magazine article they say is false, did you read the article? You want to bag on Candace Owens? Did you listen? Did you listen to the facts? Because if she was in a court of law, she would have won this case. Like if there was a case to be proved, she would have won immediately. But the court of public opinion is what's so frightening to me is we've just decided, well, I'm on this side of the fence and I just have to hate her. Now, Candace says about 40% of things that I don't agree with, but I'm open to listening to her because she has proved her point that she does her investigative journalism and she brings the proof. She's not spouting.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

It's it's very she can lean kind of into assumption, but the fact that so many people are reaching out to her, like from Turning Point, I think that's interesting. Number two, another thing I will say that I whatever, do I find bothersome? Whatever. I mean, these people creep me out, to be honest. But um, not so much Candace, though I am afraid of her, totally. Um, but it's the whole single mom thing that she was raised by a single mom. Okay, by the way, that I was raised by a single mom.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

And I am a single mom, but yeah, that was disputed, by the way, because Candace came and found the marriage receipts and the divorce receipts didn't even match up. And by the way, there was a point in time where her father was raising her independently. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Like, I was raised by a single mom who had no support from my biological father, like at all. That's so so that is the kind of thing that like you can be co-parenting with someone. I've actually talked to another single mom friend about this who does not have a co-parent. You can be co-parenting with someone and and have help, and that is still being a single parent, but the single parent experience of being just a mom that has no resources from father is a different experience.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

And I yeah, I totally agree because I don't even like using the word single mom because I'm such a co-parent. But you know, in the thing is in the general thing of life, I do feel like a single mom a lot because we have we have roles, and I have taken on the I hate to say this, you know, the leadership role of I make medical decisions. I make like, you know, I am shaping them in that way, but I do have a lot of help from their dad. But back to this Erica, I feel this is my take on it, that her mom grew, I hate to say the word groomed, but groomed her not in an evil way, but to be successful, to overcome your circumstances, she was in pageants, she lied about how she got into pageants. So there's so many lies that we've proven, but why, again, and I feel like such a broken record, why, if it was anything else, if it was like a court trial, like remembering the OJ, and everyone's like, the globe's fit, you know. We just make our own decisions about what we're gonna believe, and no one, no one can tell us differently. And when Candace was starting this series, there were a massive flood of turning point employees that sent emails to influencers that said, make sure you say Candace Owens is a demon. Make sure you say this is false. They hadn't even seen the show yet, they were just protective of like Mama Bear. I wish Erica Kirk the best. I want her to be successful, but you have completely lost my trust, Erica Kirk. You've lost my trust, and uh the people around you have lost my trust because they're like the people elevating the pastor that they know is in sin and they won't take him off the pulpit.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Yeah, I think that's really hard. Although I have read reports, and there it is true that fact does not sway people very much.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

That is such that is really doesn't the thing is okay. So to wrap this up, fact is not swaying people, except me and you and the other two million people that listen to her. Um, what does sway people then? Is it just their cultural background? Is it where we are in life? Like I'm a red state, so she's a red state. Like, I don't know, you know?

SPEAKER_01 29:15

I think humans, we are tribal in a lot of ways. I think that's number one. I think number two, our emotions play a huge part in what we feel and believe, right? There's a one there's a great quote that I can't think of right now that talks about this. And then also, I think um we don't like to be wrong. People don't like to be wrong.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

I've been totally wrong about Erica, and I switched real fast. And my teenager's like, I told you, mom, I told you she was weird. I don't want to call her weird. I'm just saying there was something like Candace has done this like thought process of even the way that she's been so performative, like this whole thing when you when you candice even has tapes like of her with the employees, and she's talking about merch, merch. We gotta sell merch. So I also think, and this is true, right? You and I have had this conversation. When you have not been brought up with means, which she was, I don't think she was brought up with means, like financial means, there's something inside of you that goes, I may lose it. Like I have to keep it, right? Like my friends that have not been brought up with financial means that have been successful, there's still something in the back of their head, you know this, right? Yeah, I mean, I definitely might lose it.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

I definitely feel that strongly because of my own kind of fear around money and scarcity around money. I haven't gotten that she grew up without.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

But well, say I guess I'm going back to the single mother and the you know, maybe she it's like, you know, it's like I need to make something of myself. I need to, if you look at the dating history, yeah, I need to be like, I'll stop at nothing. And it's not even a bad maybe Barack Obama felt that way. Maybe George Bill Clinton, oh, I'm gonna go to the White House, I'm gonna be successful. Um it's it's it's almost in an ambition addiction. It came from somewhere, we're not gonna figure that out. I just want people to take from this podcast, if you doubt us and you think we are just spouting rhetoric, go and listen to at least one of the episodes where Candace says, This is A and this is B, you judge. Because facts should sway you. I'm sorry that it doesn't, but I hope if you listen to us and you at least go, you know, the next time there's a political figure on fire or a pastor or somebody, go listen and make your own decisions.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Yes, because you want fact to sway people, it's important, but also I think people have to remember your experience with someone doesn't mean that's who they actually are.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

And I think that's point in case. OJ Simpsons loved him running through the airports in the 80s, one of the most lovable celebrities. Everybody would have been like, We love OJ.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Totally, and now and that's that's a huge thing to me, but also I have a hard time trusting people that are not all people, because there can be ambitious people that you kind of naturally trust or know or have seen enough about them. But um ambition is one thing, but the striving to be somebody, I pretty much never trust anyone like that. If you're striving really hard to be somebody, like to say, I'm I am somebody, like it's maybe it's not that they're how do I say it? Like, I understand that's like childhood trauma and wounding for sure. So there's compassion within it. I have compassion for people that need that. But then on the other side, I I have a very hard time trusting people like that. If your goal in life is to be somebody, predominantly if you're a Christian, if you're not a Christian and your goal in life is to be somebody, I totally get it. But if you are a Christian and predominantly your goal in life is to strive to be somebody, to elevate yourself, I think that it's an issue with your personal relationship with Jesus and your theology. Because what do we know 100% Jesus and Christianity? Our value comes from being created in the image of God. We can stop striving to be someone, right? And we can rest in the fact that we have value and inherent, and this, I mean, I would say all people. And what's the verse?

SPEAKER_00 33:42

What's the verse? The last shall be first and the first shall be last in the kingdom of heaven. And all it says so many times on uh this is a great way to wrap this up. So many times in the Bible that the least on earth will be the most elevated in heaven. You know, we look at scripture, Jesus was the anti- someone, he would shy away from the crowds, he would go away from the crowd, and we have got it all wrong. Okay, so I love this point because I have to deal with this, and I have, and we're gonna do a whole podcast. Don't you worry. I have seen behind the curtain in the Christian entertainment, I've seen behind the curtain in Hollywood, and it's all wizard of oz. And when somebody is just so clear about look at me, look at me, look at me, don't look behind the curtain. Like, that is the antithesis of Jesus Christ. Like the minute in my career I start to believe my own press, the Lord is like, you've become unuseful to me. And he may not disqualify me right away, like, because this is what I struggled with. My pastor said, Carrie, the gifts of God are freely given. You may be out there using those gifts of God, but it does not mean at the end of the day that he is going to bless you, like outside of you know, you out there ministering and doing all these amazing things. So Erica Kirk has to lay her head down at night. And I really do wish, I really do wish her well. And if there's ulterior motives or she's lying, the whole point of this is that we are forgiving people. That's what we're called to do. And if she ever chooses to come out and say, you know what, that's that's all true. That's not who I am today. I'm sure that we would embrace her just as much, you know, for her honesty and just her vulnerability. I don't know if it's gonna happen. I hope it does for the sake of her and her children. I hope.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Yeah, I mean, also, people are scary. Money is never free, and we have to really, as a Christian culture, decide what blessing really is. Because when it looks too much like the world's blessings, yep, we gotta check ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

Great wrap up. Now, on to our very more important political segment. I don't hate it. Um, we've been doing very important products. Now, this is important to me because I went to Honduras. Now I let my Bible study pray for me and think I was going on a mission trip, but I was really on a cruise. And the bus driver was like, Yeah, we use this. I'm not doing her accent because I can't, but she's like, we use this cream uh in Honduras called batana oil 100%. And she was talking about it. She's like, we use it on our hair, we use it on our skin, we use it on everything, right? And it makes us beautiful and wrinkle-free. Um, and so I bought this batana cream. Now, the problem is this batana cream smells like cigarettes and broken dreams. And my I put it all on my face and all in my hair. And my daughter, it's so it's so bad. Like, I can't, it's so thick, you can't eat. You have to, I had to put it in the microwave to melt it, okay? And it's and my daughter's like, what's in it? And I said, It's from Honduras. It just says roasted by the traditional miscatchwribe in Honduras, bear trade, and it is. I don't know, I don't know if I'm gonna use it again, but I don't know. It smells like a diaper with that was your kid was smoking. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I mean, you it smells like New York, it smells like New York in the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Like, when you said it smells like cigarettes and broken dreams, that is what the entirety of my 20s smelled like.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

So everybody get batana oil. It's so bad. It made my hair like like solid, like solid. Like it took 14 shampoos, but I'm such a glutton for punishment. I might try it again because you never know. Like totally it's how it's for everything. I don't know. It doesn't tell you what to do. I just bought it. Um, it just says raw and unfiltered. It's raw and unfiltered. It's like honey. It's like honey from Hungary. Uh how is your slimming cream? Last week you gave us the update that you bought slimming cream.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Um I'm not thinner, and it's challenging to use because I have small children. Now, where are you using this on your body? What on my midsection? And I then put my little waist, my waist. You're not your Kim Kardashian trainer. Yes. And then I would also like to say, and like, repent for my thing with vanity. Like, y'all, it's real. It is a struggle. Okay, wait. Have you done this?

SPEAKER_00 38:41

Have you wrapped yourself in saran wrap after you put the cream on?

SPEAKER_01 38:46

No, but I did one at one time I was running so much. I had one of those sauna suits that you run. You should try sweat.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

I you should try the saran wrap because the Kardashians did it. You wrap your whole, it's very sexy when your husband comes home from work. You wrap your whole body like a Christmas present and you get the oil. I'll give you some of my batana oil and the slimming oil, and you slick your whole body, and then you get your kids to wrap you in saran wrap like a mummy, and then you stay there until your husband comes to unwrap you and roll you. I think you should do it.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

Think a few things less sexy than the look of me, but wrapped in saran wrap.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

What if it slims you? I would lay in a microwave if I could. I'm telling you, I would lay in the microwave. I would lay in the microwave and I just get in the saran wrap. There was a whole movement for a while. They were selling those called It's a Wrap. And it was basically saran wrap that you would buy for $25 and you would wrap yourself.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Don't they do that in a movie? Isn't there a big thing?

SPEAKER_00 39:56

Well, I think because you could go. Yeah, you could go to the Dollar Tree and get some saran wrap, and I think we should end it. If you want you to tips, it's batana oil with saran wrap and Susie's slimming cream and tune in next week to see if we look different.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

We'll see. We'll see if I've shrunk so much, I've disappeared. But again, I just want to say, you know, the anime, the struggle is real, people. I can't. I'm not getting rid of it. I'm not getting rid of it. That I don't like, right? Oh no, I literally, this is a problem. I've literally prayed to God, dear Jesus, if you have to learn, if I have to learn a lesson, dear God, please don't let anything happen to my face.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Yeah, I that is a very legit.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

That's horrible. That is horrible. I don't judge other people like that. Why you know what? This is a good thing to remind people of. Like, you will either be the type of person that is mean to others or mean to yourself. I'm 1000%, you know me. Everyone's like, nicest person in the world. I am not someone that's mean to other people. Can't do it. This is why I don't like a lot of politicians or even pastors that are mean. I'm like, why are you so mean?

SPEAKER_00 41:06

We don't like we're gonna do a whole episode. But I I was texting you from Home Depot that I was gonna spend my daughter's college fun on hair and procedures, and I have now been obsessed. And the problem is, is big brothers everywhere. So now, if I go on Instagram, the algorithm is like, do you not like your cheekbones? Do you not like and I'm the the things that I am not spending in Bible study time? I have been researching batana cream, retinol, going to Mexico, getting my legs stretched. I'm not opposed to, I just want to say to our listeners, you can judge me all day long, but I'll never judge you. You got a procedure you want to tell me about, you got a new cream you want to tell me about, you want to get your legs stretched. I am all in. God created your body, and he's like, do what you need to do, girl. It's your masterpiece. That's how I feel. Doyce Meyer, one of my favorite pastors, she got a facelift and they asked it her, ask it her. They asked it her. And she said, I prayed about it, and God said, It's your face, do what you do. And I am like, I I'm all I'm all in. So just to wrap up this beautiful podcast today, you could do what you want with your face, you could do what you want with your body, just don't lie about it. You need to be truthful. I'm talking to you, Bethany Frankel. You need to be truthful about the fillers, and don't be telling me you're rested. I'm talking to you, Mindy Kaling. I'm talking to you, Pelly Clarkston. If you're on Ozempic, I love you, I don't judge you, I'll give you my address. Me and Susie have both been trying to get it. I think we're gonna wrap it up on that.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

Also, um, I feel convicted. Thank you so much. Don't at all.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

That's the good thing. Not a bit, not a bit. And if I put needles in my face, you're gonna be the first one to know about it.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Oh, yeah. I mean, I definitely do that for sure. Okay, bye, you guys, before we get more trouble.