Missed the Boat: A Survivor First-Watch Podcast

Survivor superfan Murjanatu brings her best friend Lucas, a total newbie, along for the ride as they watch and react to Survivor 50: In the Hands of the Fans.

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Missed the Boat: A Survivor First-Watch Podcast

Survivor 50 Episode 5 "Open Wounds"

March 29, 2026 • Lucas Graden, Murjanatu Mutuwa • Season 1 • Episode 5

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In our most contentious episode yet, Lucas and Murjanatu don't quite see eye-to-eye on episode 5's happenings. Battle lines are drawn as they discuss Ozzy's anger, Emily's blabbermouth, and Jeff's surprising double elimination.

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to Mist the Boat, a Survivor First Watch podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Okay, okay. Well, your first time, Lucas. I'm a lifelong fan. I am Rajanatou, one of your co-hosts, and your resident survivor super fan.

SPEAKER_02 0:13

And I'm Lucas, a survivor newbie.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Each week I will guide my best friend here through Survivor as we react to the iconic season 50 together.

SPEAKER_02 0:23

This week, Survivor 50 episode 5, open wounds. You ready?

SPEAKER_01 0:28

I am. I thought this one was jam-packed full of surprises. How did you feel about them?

SPEAKER_02 0:35

This is a frustrating episode for me. I feel like I just ping-pong back and forth every week. Um, I was loving it last week because things were going my way. Not everything went my way this time, and there's some interesting conflict between the castaways. So I enjoyed it, but I definitely left this episode feeling a little frustrated.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

I can hear it in your voice. Interesting conflict around the castaways. So yeah. Um, I that's what I love about Survivor. I was actually kind of thinking as so listener, we listened or we watched Survivor together this week. I peeked behind the curtain, and it was interesting. There was like a lot of live debate happening, and I was kind of realizing some of your responses to me showed your love for scripted television, I think. And where you're like, you want things to go like a certain way because you want to like control people, but like the part of reality TV that's so fun is like the chaos, and I think once you like really get into it, maybe that'll make you feel a little bit better. I'm curious what you think about that read.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

That read I think that's a good that's a good point. And this is I've said the same thing about sports before, where people are working very hard in a football game to to make sure what happens is what they want to happen. But at the end of the day, there's an element of it that is chance, and that like, yes, there are these narratives and stories of teams that have really great seasons and have historic wins, but I like to know that somebody is crafting a story and telling me a story that like means something that they they are creating, and so maybe there's just a difference there between like there are stories in reality television, but they are definitely not being crafted with the same like vision and narrative arc as something that's scripted, and so and by vision, by vision I mean like an overseer.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Uh, and yes, there's production, of course, but I do think I like things to make sense, I like character motivations to make sense, and so I but they but like it doesn't ever make more sense than when it's actually a person having it, it's just that they might not explain it directly to you.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

People might be inherently irrational, and characters can be irrational too, but that's the point.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

Like, yeah, that's why it's so fun. Well, and they have their motivation, everyone has their reason, the reason just might not be very reasonable, right? And so I think it's so fun. And and one of the things I'm loving with this season is I do feel as though some of those characters are back, the people who are a little bit less rational in thinking about the game and the game's logistics every single time, and a couple people who are more just like reacting to what's happening. And I've even heard in like some press Mike White has talked about like, I used to love Survivor because you just saw what happened when you put 12 people on an island. Now it's become a game of strategy, and it's always technically been that, but it's so calculated now. So I thought today I think one of the discussions we'll have today is like seeing how those like calculations of people's reactions and and situations might not always like have the best, like you don't know you don't know where things are gonna go because it's so hard to actually predict people.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

And and some of this might just be me being like things aren't happening the way I want them to. Yeah, that is true across probably every single tribe this week. And so I'm just like, no, you're not doing what I want you to, so maybe I'm just being a little bit impertinent.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

I think that's fair. I think that maybe we all have that. Like, I definitely yell at the TV, and people in sport who love sports yell at the TV because things don't go the way they want them to. Yes, sometimes the same tune wins seven times in a row, but it would have been like a beautiful Cinderella story if someone else did, right? Anywho, I feel like we open in on something like this, a pretty hot-headed reaction.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

Yes, I was just gonna say speaking of temper tantrums, we start with Ozzie, uh, post-tribal Vatu on night nine, and he's upset about being left out of the Mike White plan. He says, and I quote, it's all good, but it is definitely not all good.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

It's interesting. Christian obviously did not calculate for this happening in that three, two, one vote. We kind of talked about this last week, where it's like, you know, the thing that it's very masterful to pull it off, but you always have to blindside one. It's nice for that one to be the one to go home. Um, but in this situation, uh, Ozzie was the one who was left out and he feels silly.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

Angelina was left out too, though, wasn't she?

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Yes, but she thought she was, but she at least had one person that she voted for. And she did say in a lot of exit press that they focused on Ozzie because his narrative is obviously going a little bit longer, but she also had a very emotional reaction to Mike White leaving.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

I see. I think this is interesting. You talked about Christian like not anticipating leaving Ozzie out. This is what Mike White said to do. He was planning to vote out Emily, but he said, I'd rather get Ozzie's permission for forgiveness than ask his permission. We'll deal with Ozzy later. So, yes, Christian like ends up commandeering this plot to get Mike out, but Mike made the same calculation. So it's interesting that both of them seemed to think it was better to ask Ozzy's forgiveness than loop him in. Right. And Ozzie even says, I wouldn't have lied to Mike White. I would have blown up their game. So they made the right calculation in terms of getting the effect that they wanted or getting the elimination they wanted.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

But he did seem surprised. He did seem surprised, and he did say, like, ooh, I'm like having those flashbacks to Cochrane. And he's like realizing as he's having this conversation that this like might maybe be a deeper wound than he originally anticipated. He might have thought he would be like Stephanie and have lose a little bit of trust. But I think in Ozzy's mind, he's like, I have been to every single tribal council with you guys. We've generally voted the same. He felt like, what the heck just happened? And he wants to go and he kind of announces here, like, yes, you're totally right. He was like, I'm I would have tried to blow up their game. But also it's interesting that he's like, We're gonna go for Christian now.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Mm-hmm. He does, well, and Christian even says Christian's very perceptive, I think, and he he already knows that Ozzie is now envisioning this guy from a prior season, and we get that flashback and the the camera angles line up exactly. And he's like, he looks at me and he sees a nerdy guy who just blindsided him, and it is poking that open wound. That's where we get the episode title. And Christian is maybe additionally perceptive to this because Mike did this to him intentionally last episode, where he knows how much those past experiences can hold a lot of emotional volatility. I have just kind of one last thing. Ozzy, at least in this piece of it all, he says, You didn't think about what kind of explosion that could happen if you blindside someone you've been working with. And I I'm like Ozzy, they didn't blindside you, they blindsided the person who got eliminated. They they blindside, like you are still here. Yes, they left you out, but it is not as blindside.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

If you're going in and everyone else is thinking something else is happening but you, that is that's still a blindside. It is there are varying consequences to a blind side, but it doesn't mean he wasn't blindsided.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Yes, but I just to what Christian says, I'm like, Ozzy, this was not about you. Like, unfortunately, you are making this about and so it's just I I understand he's feeling a lot of emotions. I found him a little bit frustrating, and and I think that will continue. He ends, well, that being said, he ends the night throwing this pretty big tantrum. He then wakes up the next morning and decides to go sit by the ocean and meditate. And I I thought that he was really giving coach vibes in this scene where he's talking about how his ocean of thought was a turbulent storm, and then he spent some time realizing that everything's okay actually, and I don't have anything to worry about or anything to be upset about. And actually, it's totally fine. He says he goes up to Christian and he apologizes and he says that it was childish to act so upset, and let's put it behind us and move forward. So I'm really looking forward to seeing how Ozzie spends the rest of this episode putting it behind him and moving forward.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Well, okay, I'm actually, I kind of have something to say. I'm like, I don't want to jump at the gun. But upon re-watching it, I actually felt like he was being totally sincere and even asking for that shot in the dark was actually, I think he was like trying to be a little bit more reasonable after this. And I think the way maybe the order of the edit, and he does definitely think about Christian, but for him, I feel like he was never a hundred percent on Christian to have flipped. Again, that was when hindsight was 2020. Like when while watching it the first time, I would have agreed. But then watching it back, I'm like, oh, he is really playing one-dimensional chess where everyone else is, or playing checkers, everyone else playing chess. Like, he truly is like, my feelings are hurt. Could you give me something to make me feel better? And in our minds, we're like thinking about the layers of what that must mean and how he's actually blindsiding Christian. And I think truly, that was what Ozzie, like what Ozzie said we were doing was what he was doing. And so it's funny, like, I was like, oh, what we actually knew it was gonna happen before it happened. We just thought he was playing a little higher game than he was.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

That's I like that take on it. I that makes some that makes some sense to me. Where Christian's paranoia and like overthinking things is thinking, am I now defenseless? Like, is he setting me up to get me out? And and Ozzie maybe mentions it a couple of times in confessional, but nozz's just swimming.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

He's just like, I'm voting for Angelina, like I've wanted to the last three months. Like he's just like, he's not. And I I think that is my read on second watch. I'd be curious if of other folks who like had the hindsight if they if they saw that as well. Um, but then we head over to Sila. Um this Tri Man is all over the place this episode. When I was again upon re-watching, I was realizing like who was thought they were with who at the beginning of the episode.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

We start with, and I quote, my girls, which by that I mean Jonathan and Charlie and Camilla and D. But we've got like that Kahlo four, who the majority left over after the the tribe swap. And they're like, of course, we are all four in this together. We've got the majority. And because of that, um, Jonathan and Charlie kind of are talking about the remaining three. They've got Rizzo, who's an unknown quantity, Siri, who Jonathan correctly sees as a threat. I'm just once again, we are just pretending like Siri isn't a threat. And then Devons is like the safe one. He's like, Devons is chill. So they invite him in to join their little group.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Right. And they're all like, we're dead set on Rizzo. Like, let's just do it. And Dee is like all of a sudden, like, wait a second, that wasn't the name I said. She doesn't even care, like why they think that. She just wants to be the one in the driver's seat.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

That is a really good point because I think I was really trying to figure out. Dee immediately is like, yeah, sure, let's do Rizzo, and then runs to confessional and is like, I don't, I don't agree. I wanna, I wanna go to I wanna go to Rizzo, lay down in the hammock with him, and be like, hey, we're teaming up. My immediate question is why, but I think you're right that it's just not her idea, and it wasn't her in the driver's seat, and so she creates a new alliance.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Exactly. And I thought that was very fun, and I just I can't believe that like stuck. I just I looked to you and I said, like, Rizzo gets carried by these strong women peop women every season, and then he takes all the credit for it, it's so frustrating, and it's he did say that like he admitted it to like later when he's he's talking to D. He's like, Yeah, last year I played with the girls, I am not a guy's guy. The biggest arts swapping secrets. Oh my gosh, he is like the male version of a pick me. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

Oh, I can't with him, and so he gets not only D, but she's like, Well, hey, let's just get the girls in on it. So she's creating her new group with Camilla and Siri, and I am really disappointed in D in this moment. I just like in her judgment of character of Rizzo, but also D, we talked about this episodes ago. You're supposed to be going for Siri. Why or why are you teaming up with her? Like your best friend gave you one piece of advice.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

You are so on that train. That's so fair. It's interesting because Rizzo, even so, we we see this later, but like Rizzo bonds with Suri out of this. So even though D's the one who like bring decides to save Rizzo, works with someone she was wary of, Suri, the number one alliance in there, the marriage, if you will, I hear the wedding bells ringing, is actually Siri and Rizzo. And Rizzo peases pants when that happens, like he is freaking out.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

And I thought Siri clocked Rizzo immediately when they all merged, or well, I think she did. Swapped.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

I think she can smell weakness and she knows she's gonna bring him. I think he that's her goat. She's gonna bring him all the way to the end and then slaughter him in front of everybody. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Yeah, that's probably her plan. I would like that to happen because she tells him something she hasn't told anybody else, which is that she has Ozzie's extra vote. That's true, is a really high level of confidence to be putting into your pawn. And I get it, if you want that undying loyalty, like you give something, but for him to know that and nobody else does, it's gonna be interesting.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

It's interesting. That is that's a very good point. But I think yeah, she's giving him the information, so she has this like number one. I don't know, I could be wrong, I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't know. I think Suri's a little smarter than that.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

I do also think my last thought, because when Rizzo goes to Suri and they link up to my chagrin, Suri is powerless in some ways inside of this current configuration of the tribe. Like, I think it was just her and Rizzo left from the original Sila tribe after the swap. So she doesn't have she knows she's in the minority of the Calo 4. And so Rizzo is giving her this lifeline and telling her that D wants to play in a group with Camilla as well. And so in some ways, she kind of does have to go along with it at this point. So maybe she's just a better actress than I realize because she seems really charmed by Rizzo. She's a good point. Rizzo's throwing me a life, but I also think she she only has so much she can do in the current standings of this tribe. Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

I think I just mean in turn, I think you're right. And but I think I in terms of who she picks out of that for to be her bestie, she's picking Rizzo because she knows she can manipulate him the most. I I think that I think she might still like him. I think she probably is charmed by him, but she also has it in her calculation that like no one's gonna vote for this guy at the final. But maybe not, and maybe they do. There's crazier winners out there than Riz Riz God.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

If Riz God wins Survivor 50, I don't know that Miss the Boat is gonna go back to any other survivor. Like, I this might be my my my one and done. I've just gotta say that now.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

The thing that I and we talked about this, like with Rizzo, it's so funny because he he is a delusional person, but we are living in his reality. Like, I don't know how to explain it. Like, it is like a box within a box. Like, I'm like, wait a second, like the way he talks about himself is so frustrating, but he is correct at every turn. What is going on here?

SPEAKER_02 17:38

The world is like built to support his delusions.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

So exactly.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

What a shame.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Anyway, so from there, we go to Kahlo and we get some classic coach content. That was should that be a thing? Some CCC's and classic coaches. CCC. Um, you're gonna hear live, folks. Um, coach is says he's much more socially aware this season, and then he goes on to talk about Japanese medieval mythology for 15 minutes. So I don't know like how socially aware he really is. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just he's like, I'm I'm done with the dungeons and dragons. Now we're doing this.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Yes, he is, and again, I'm not quite sure how the layers of coach's nicknames quite operate. Like he says, This season I'm Tidewalker. So is he no longer coach? Is he no longer dragon slayer? Is he all three at once? Is it like a holy trinity situation? Um, not quite sure. Or like, you know, sun, moon, rising. He's like a coach, sun, a tidewalker moon, a dragon slayer rising.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

But that is his that he has bestowed upon himself for Survivor 50, and he's not just giving himself a new nickname. He is buddying up with Mr. Honor Integrity, his number one. He tells Joe that that is his number one, and he's looping in Colby just for fun. He's like, sure, I'll take the house.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Yeah, I guess they're like a trio, but like because both conversations happen separately, I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to think about that. But um, yeah, I'm not 100% sure. But it is interesting how much he loves Joe. We're not seeing that love right back, though. I will like just make a note of that. I think that he does like coach, he's like in his confessionals, but we're not seeing like a kid's being coached coming up to Joe.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

Yes, I do feel like comparatively though, because we see these knighting ceremonies happening uh back and forth between him giving Joe and Colby their nicknames. Joe does feel more into it than Colby does. I do think, and maybe that's just a low bar, but in my mind, I think it's more on Coach's wavelength.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

I think it's a little bit though, personalities as well. Like there's two, there's a couple of things here. It's like, I think Joe's the kind of guy who's like not gonna laugh at you, and Kobe is trying you know, and Kobe's trying not to laugh. I think that's one thing. And then they also have like more history. Like Joe is a brand new, he hasn't gotten his survivor fame yet, and coach is a legend, so like he's gonna be a little bit more admired. But I don't know if he's actually like at the end of the day gonna vote with Coach every time.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

Is when what season is Joe?

SPEAKER_01 20:39

48? Yes, he's 48. So his season had just aired. So he had like, I guess, gotten survivor fame, but not like lived in it for more than a day. Yeah, and he and also, yeah, like no one knew he lost until like the day before he left for Fiji.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

The reason I asked is just because coach makes some grand statements about how Joe is the most honest and stalwart player to ever have played this game, and so it's interesting to understand the context that that comes from him seeing one season like a week ago. Um with that compliment came the name Stone Bell after the Stone Bell monk. Beautiful, and Colby is Oak Bound or Oak Bound Warrior, which honestly, these names aren't bad. Like, I like Tidewalker, I like Stone Bell, I like Oak Bound.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

I especially kind of long. I just kept being like, that is so many more syllables than Joe.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Yeah, not a nickname, like yeah, nicknames are supposed to be shorter. Um, I did also appreciate, I don't think I noticed this the first time you mentioned it, though, when he literally knights them with his hand, yeah, they add a gong bell to the editing this episode, especially.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Especially in that segment, it was really intense.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

Yes. Coach is not only bonding with his two best friends, he really does feel like he's made a connection with pretty much everybody on the tribe. Aubrey recognizes this and she knows that she is not in a great position socially. So she kind of comes to Coach as if he's a local warlord or something and is asking for his protection. She's like, I want to play with you, but she's clearly allying herself to him because she feels like he is the leader of the Kahlo tribe and he loves her.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

She's like the godfather, like, help me out. Like, yes, exactly. Like, I do like yeah, like Aubrey is trying her hardest. Like, I'm so interesting to see where everything shakes out with her storyline, like having this idol, but not really having any strong allies except for Tiff, which is still very interesting to me. And so I'm interested to see where like she shakes out, especially with this like Genevieve rivalry. I mean, they're talking about it out loud. They're like, Yes, can you believe we survived 10 days together?

SPEAKER_02 23:11

Well, and I think that it'll be interesting to see this tribe has not gone to tribal. So there is all of this tension brewing, but it hasn't been forced to come to a head yet. So it'll be interesting to see how that all plays out.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Speaking of coming to a head, Charlie and Rizzo are just not vibing over at Sila.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Nope. Dawn, crack of dawn, Charlie watching this in rewatch, I truly think this is where Charlie loses the game. He is right so I get it. He doesn't like Rizzo and he is dead set on getting Rizzo out. Girl, me too, go for it. But he's so in his head that he at 5 a.m. is sitting on the edge of Rizzo's boat, like waking him up to ask him, who'd you tell about Billy? And who knows about the idol? And making up this story about Jonathan was talking like he knew about the idol, so I told him about it. And this kind of blatant lie is what really lights the fire, I think, under Rizzo to rally his girls and take Charlie out. Here comes Operation Bad Blood, and D even calls Charlie the dumbest player on the beach.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

I thought that was a little unwarranted. I was like, I because she didn't see the footage of them talking at 5 a.m. like before the sun had risen, which was the one thing that might have been a little dumb on Charlie. Like, wait a second, warm them up. Because it just looks like you have like a guilty conscience or something. Like if you're thinking about it all night, you have to talk about it right in the morning, right? And so I think that people are like, give Charlie a minute. Like he doesn't even know if you're going to tribal or not yet. People calling him slow and dumb. I'm like, okay, calm down. I think he's just like trying to figure out exactly what he needs to do here. He thought it was obviously Rizzo, and so he was gonna play things close to his chest until Rizzo was gone. Or at least he until he knew they were going to tribal.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

Yeah, yeah. I think that he he just became so narrow or single-focused that he kind of lost sight of again, he wasn't being believable, he wasn't being normal or natural. He's like the kid. Right. Like I picture a toddler who's learning to like sleep in their own room and then has a bad dream, and you wake up and they're just like standing in the doorway staring at you. Like he's like, Rizzo, Rizzo, are you awake?

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Sorry, why was it like that? Hey, wait. You have time. Maybe he just thought he could like spend time with him alone for a little bit. Maybe that was it. Like he sleeps out in the middle of nowhere, and this is like, hey, we have time. I'm sure it was cut from a much longer conversation and we and we miss the warm-up. But regardless, like I think Rizzo was just like wasn't willing to talk, let alone like trust you right now.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Rizzo is still yawning, wiping sleep from his eyes.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Like it is like juju. It's like talking to a yawn. It's not good.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

I wonder this is kind of the only thing we see before we go to the challenge. So, to your point, like maybe they didn't have a lot of time in the morning to talk and socialize and really get footage, so to speak, before they had to be transported to the challenge. And so he was like, it's eating me up. I just need to talk to him. And and the blue filter night vision is still in effect uh when they when they chat that morning.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

It's early. Oh well, yeah. And and this is where we get to the parts where like Rizzo and Suri really solidify their little duo. Still so random. I know like Rizzo has that picture of meeting Siri at a fan party, like he is freaking out.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

I we've talked about it. We've talked about it. I'm disappointed in her. I was really hoping she would not be into it. I like your read. I'm gonna believe I'm gonna believe that she is plotting against him and just bringing him to the end to sacrifice him. That is the only way I'm gonna be able to stomach this. I hope so. Hope to God. Ugh. We go to the challenge, which Jeff introduces and lets us know that only one tribe is winning immunity, which is wild. This is not something I would have predicted, I think, ever. It feels like a violation in some ways. Like, but as I say that out loud, maybe it makes more sense that only the winner gets immunity. But just after getting into a routine, feeling like I knew what I had in store, a double elimination really took me by surprise.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Right. Oh, get ready for mergitory, my friend. Merge can have the weirdest tribals ever. Like they will just do whatever, however they feel led. There's three on one tribe, there's 20 on the other. Like, it is, it could be crazy. Um, yeah, I'm I was so it was I was actually very delighted. It was classic myth about fashion to like watch you see the fact that it could be a double elimination. You weren't just like, like, there's like we're gonna lose two people. Like it is pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

They are ramping things up. It was Chrissy, I think. She and I had kind of the same face when when Jeff announced the double elimination, especially when there's a disaster tribe.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

I think those other two tribes are just like, hey, just just showing up, collecting my do, and then I'll see you tomorrow. And then they're like, uh oh.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

That's a good point. Maybe you mentioned maybe we did the tribe swap quite early to try and avoid a disaster tribe. Fatu, unfortunately, still kind of giving disaster. So maybe they were like, we need to make these other tribes sweat. We're tired of seeing Ozzy and Emily and Christian go to tribe wall every episode.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Yeah, they're still gonna see them.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

And this is classic, another classic moment of like, if it was scripted TV, like Vatu would have won this one time. Like they were so close. I was for them to lose. And you're like, oh, like if in a perfect world, like we would finally get Vatu would get to go home and the other two would get a taste of tribal council. But of course, that is not the reality.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

It would help, of course. It's not scripted TV, and depending on the show, there are some great shows where the the people you want to win still lose. But it would have been nice from a numbers perspective. Like the logistics person in me is like this would be really helpful if we could just knock a person off of both of the two big tribes just to keep us a little bit more balanced. But unfortunately, they've got these awful platforms they have to throw their sandbags on. That was diabolical. That is again becomes a game of chance in some ways. Yes, there's skill, but it helps like level the playing field in some ways. And we have Kahlo is safe.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

It's actually so sweet. Like it's doing this podcast with you when there's just these little things that I've seen a million times, and I like take for granted how like challenging that actually would be. Like, I've seen the spiral theme mag flip and a couple times, you know, and so I forget to think like how hard would that actually be to do? And so when you get on here and like that's what offends you, I'm like, oh yeah, like it reminds me of like the challenges, you know, of the physical part of Survivor.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Yes. I I've been enjoying, like I said, I come from the traitors. That's about all I know when it comes to reality TV show challenges, and that is a pale imitation of what they are doing in the VG.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

I've held back on this. Wait until you see Big Brother, my friend. If you think Traders is bad, they are like cardboard cutouts throwing tomatoes. Like it is not the level, there are levels. Um, maybe that's your next, maybe this summer. I don't know. We want to do daily podcast.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Oh thank goodness.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

We'll talk, we'll talk. Anyway, so we have this double tribal, and we had both Vatu and Sila get sent to tribal council.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

And Rizzo is not too upset. He's like, Great, I've got Charlie in my sights, I've got Operation Bad Blood in effect.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Kyle's blessing and the Lord.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

He goes to Camilla with this beautiful eulogy for Kyle about how he was his number one, and his final words to Rizzo were if I can't win, please take Camilla to the end for me. I believe in you.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

And you fell for him, first of all. You were like, Aww. Camilla's like, no.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

Yes, to be fair, to defend myself, I was awing at Kyle and Camilla's friendship. I am now learning that Brizzo lies. And he says out loud, he's like, I made that up. That wasn't true. I'm sure Kyle would agree with me, though. And Camilla literally says, Well, especially after the thing you said about Kyle, I would love to work with you. And then in confessional, she's like, that doesn't make sense. Kyle barely got to play the game.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

And Rizzo's like, I'm sure Kyle felt that deep down in his heart. Like, what you were there for a very short amount of time.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

I have hope that Camilla knows that Rizzo's lying to her, and similar to what you were saying about Cree. And listen, I would love all three of the girls to turn and get Rizzo out. So I'm really hoping this is that little seed of doubt where she's like, I'm gonna go along for a ride. I'm gonna watch Rizzo. I'm gonna let him think I'm on his side, but I know what's actually going on here. So I'll be back. I've got my fingers crossed that Camilla is gonna stab him in the back sooner than later.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Yeah, and Rizzo does tell her about the Billie Eilish idol. At this point, Camilla didn't know there were any idols, and she looks disappointed in the Billie Eilish idol. She's like, enough with these celebrities, she's all of us fans watching the trailer.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

I forget what she says in the confessional because her reaction is not positive to hearing about the Billie Eilish idol. And then they cut to confessional where she's like, This isn't what anybody expected. I noticed they couldn't even get her to say something positive. She just made like a neutral comment.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

I know, I know. It was so obvious that that was not her thing. I love it, and she's she's all of us. We're we're you we're in the camillantary every day. Um it's so interesting because you know, Camilla's getting it on both sides. So Camilla isn't like falling for Rizzo, but she does seem to be a little bit convinced by him. And then Charlie goes to Camilla, kind of making sure they're still good, talks to her about the Billy Eilish idol, and Camilla's like, too slow, man. I already knew about this. And I'm like, okay, minutes ago, surely it wasn't that long.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Yeah, it's same day, girl. Like, she says that Charlie's game is too slow, it's frustrating to work with. And I seeing her lie to Charlie when he's like, Oh, has Rizzo told you anything about idols? And she's like, No, Rizzo didn't tell me about idols, made me sad. I yeah, I like these two. I wish they were teammates, I wish they were allies. I get where she's coming from of like, I'm gonna see what he tells me. I'm gonna compare the stories, see who's telling the truth. But it does feel like a little tick in her Rizzo bucket instead of her Charlie Bucket. And isn't Charlie Bucket the character from Willie Longtime?

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Um, yeah, totally. I think you know, she didn't win her last season. She played, she was a couple times the last to find out, and she's like, not anymore. Like, I heard from Rizzo first, so speed information is like, my friend, I'm gonna keep this up. Such an interesting decision.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

I'm only again as we talk through this now. My only hope is that these three women are gonna carry Rizzo along to the end just to stab him in the back. I swear, if it goes any differently, we're gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

I mean, I'm hoping that's like at least the goal. I mean, the problem with like a goat is like you just never know how people are perceived, right? So, like they could bring Rizzo all the way to the end, and like somehow, like when they hurt people, like, okay, so Charlie, for example, this is like what happened? Charlie had a bestie he brought all the way to the end, and he thought, surely she's gonna vote for me. We have gone through everything together, and she didn't. She was too hurt by the betrayal and voted for another person, and that's the type of people who people would say, like, oh, it's survivor, you have to expect for those things to happen. And my argument is like, no, it's survivor. You need to expect that like things are gonna happen, like you cannot always predict how people are gonna how people are gonna react.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

All I'm saying is if if Rizzo, if these girls get tricked or screwed over by Rizzo, I'm gonna take it as personally as Ozzie took last night's light. I'm gonna I'm gonna be the one pretending like it happened to me.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Yeah, no, if somehow Rizzo gets on top, devastating. Devastating. So we'll see. We'll we'll I'm hoping like he doesn't make it anywhere near that point.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Not to not to pray for his downfall. I don't have a lot of ops, but I just Rizzo, I'm rooting for you just to not win. Let's go to Vatu.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Let's move on, let's move on. Um, over Vatu, it's I mean, it's all what we're talking about. Christian and Emily are like, let's just do Angelina. We said we want to do it for a long time. Ozzie's like, hey Emily, I have a pitch for you. I love how Emily cannot keep her mouth shut.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

And you know, maybe this is what she is, she's real honor and integrity tribe. She's like, I'm gonna be honest with everyone, I'm just gonna tell everyone everything. Freedom of Information Act, and this she is the face of it.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

Seriously, she is so funny. I just am like, wow, you don't hold anything in for even a minute. Because, like, what is the point of telling Christian about Ozzie?

SPEAKER_02 38:40

I don't know because she said earlier she didn't want to play Christian's game, she wants to play her game, she wants to ally herself with Ozzy. Yep. So I don't know why she's going to Christian other than Unless she really wants both, yeah. And that's yes, that's exactly what I was just gonna say. Other than wanting to keep them both in. She doesn't want to pick one over the other, but she also doesn't want one to vote the other out.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

Right. I imagine we really missed some conversations between Emily and Ozzie for the edit this week. Just either they put stuff out of order or just for Ozzie to go from like going on Christian to no longer, I feel like they're giving Christian a little bit more credit for giving him the shot in the dark than maybe some convincing that happened on Emily's end when they were actually talking. I think Emily like patched things up just because it's such a 180. Um, and Leslie, we were talking about earlier, it's you know, it is also, I think, Ozzy playing 1D, so but what it like one dimensional. Um, but yeah, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

I will say as well. So Ozzie is like, Christian, give me your shot in the dark, it'll make me feel better. And so we see what a shot in the dark looks like for the first time, or I see what it looks like for the first time. It says die with Christian's name on it. Christian doing this after Emily tells him, and he calls Ozzie a baby like 50 times. The man with a secret baby at home. He's like, I know him, I know him. He's familiar with babies.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

One day I'll watch this.

SPEAKER_02 40:21

I do. I can't believe we've lost count. He's actually he's only like two for five on saying his son will one day see this. Yeah, yeah. That conversation between Christian and Emily made me wonder how each of them would react to being blindsided. I'd be really interested to see because Emily says if this is survivor, this is what happens, and Christian just calls him a baby a bunch. Like I'd be curious to see if they are so rational that they're able to divorce their emotions and recognize, oh, this is what needed to happen or how their emotions might come into play if they if I so I'm keeping an eye out for that in the future. If either of them get blindsided, I'd be interested. Because I think I'm more hold them accountable in the Christian Emily side of things, but I want them to stick by that, even if it bites them in the butt later. Like if they're like, yep, this is part of the game, they need to put their money where their mouth is if they get blindsided in the future.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Right, right, right. Yeah, I think that's a great perspective. I wonder if they will. The way we've seen it so far, like they are just uh in control of the game at every point. Um so they have not, they don't have a they're not gonna like get a taste of their medicine, I don't think, anytime soon.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

I have to say one more thing before we leave Vatu here. Christian obviously targeting Angelina, she's been the target for a while. We first first thing, he really does not care about the David and Goliath season. It's like, girl, what loyalty. Like he got Mike wind out last season last week. He is has no issue voting out Angelina, who has been the target for a few weeks now. Seeing the four of them all scheme and be like, okay, well then who do we tell her we're voting out? Like who, and right, we're gonna tell her we're voting out Steph. That made me feel bad for Angelina. This was some real group scheming behind this poor girl's back, and we'll get there, but I from this point forward, I don't know why I haven't felt bad for Angelina it before, because she's they've been trying to get her out for weeks, but I really felt bad for Angelina in this episode.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

It's so funny because you've actually seen such like good gameplay all season that you haven't this is kind of the standard. Like, we're all gonna say one like especially when you're early in tribal, it's like, okay, this person's the weakest person, we're gonna do this. Is it okay if we use your name as the pawn? They're like, sure. Like that is that is typical, like the first couple episodes of Survivor, but because you're coming in at 50, like you've seen where everyone's talking about everyone and like trying to to scheme in such wild ways, is it's so it's like kind of funny that this like hurt your like triggered you a little bit because usually that's like the standard.

SPEAKER_02 43:18

Very interesting. I wonder it would be fun to see, depending on who it is, to tell somebody that they're gonna be the pawn, that they're gonna be the fake name, and then try and do like a double bluff. And oh girl, it happens. Oh, I say I want to see the scheming, but then watching the scheming actually makes me uncomfortable. So maybe I don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Well, a lot of people do not like being the pawn because of that, too. Like, that is, I don't want to make it sound like everyone's like, yeah, sure, I'll be the pawn. Like a lot of times that happens.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Because then you don't know who to trust when people are like, oh, well, someone's always saying your name. And you're like, well, is that real? Is that yeah? So as we leave Vatu, the last thing we see before we go to tribal with Vatu is just a quick check-in with Rizzo and Sila and him telling Suri that he's got the idol. This is where I am losing track of who has an idol, who sent it to them, who knows who. Like, I need us to thin the herd a little bit so I get a better sense of what's on the board and what everybody knows. Because at this point, I'm lost. I which is which is fine, but they're gonna have to keep refreshing me week after week. I'm just putting that out there now.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

In each confessional, they have in the little corner like who has what, but I also like need to know who knows, who knows who has what. I need a tree. I need who knows just like I'm like, uh I need a graph. When Stephanie mentioned, like, well, I gave that idol to Ozzy, I was like, Oh yeah, you did. Like I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Yes, I needed to say hidden immunity idol discovered by Steph and Genevieve. Who knows? These people, like, I I need a whole branch tree.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

How do we like get to it? Yes, please.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

I'm sure we're gonna start making one. Yeah, somebody's made one.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Yeah, there's people who love it.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

We also see as Riz Rizzo is telling everyone about his time on 49, that Jeff called him Riz God upon elimination, and no one believes it.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

The funny thing is, if he had downplayed his game, they probably would have thought he was a bigger threat level. But because he's talking so much about his game, and like like it, like we said, like he lives in this weird world that like it's we're in Rizzo's world. Like, because I think all of them are like, yeah, when you play Survivor, you think you're a big deal and they're gonna play every single one of your big moments. Rizzo, you're gonna get humbled, like you probably only get you know a little bit of screen time. But little do they know, like he does actually get like a ton of screen, like it is real. We're in Rizzo's world.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Every time you say Rizzo's world, I just hear the Katy Perry woman's world song.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

I've never, I've never even, but I God bless me, I've never heard of that. I know about it.

SPEAKER_02 46:17

I also just have to say before we get to council, Camilla is the deciding vote between Rizzo and Charlie. Girl, I need you to trust and listen to your inherent distrust of Rizzo. That was my prayer as she went into tribal. But we actually start with Vatu. We'll we'll leave Camilla for now.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

Mostly nothing happens except for Jeff does a bunch of impressions. I was actually very impressed. Unlike the rapping, I was like, this is pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

And I agree with Angelina. I felt like his Jonathan was starting to veer a little bit into a Colby, but he really was like, Bet, I will show you Colby. It's different. His manners, I thought his Jonathan and Colby were good, but his physical mannerisms of Christian were so spot on. I mean, we were screaming together on the couch, like it was it was so good.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

It was such a good TV. And I'm like, I wonder how this feels for Christian because it's like it's so similar, and everyone's just like looking like, are we allowed to laugh at this? Like, this is spot on.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

To be known is to be loved.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Exactly. My foreheart, yes. Um, Ozzy, my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

That's a little joke for for the real ones. It's been a while.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

Yes, if you've been with us from day one, you know. But honestly, at this point watching, I'm like, oh, this is such a cute, funny way for Christian to go out. I hope he had a good time. He was a main, at least while he was on, he was a main character. I'm just like saying goodbyes to Christian in my head. Plot twist.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

Poor, again, I just keep writing poor Angelina. Like, I just feel so bad for her sweet little vote for Steph. She thought they were all voting for Steph.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Poor Angelina. Angelina is such a good name to be like, poor Angelina.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

Like, she poor Angelina.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

She embodies her name very well. Like, and I think to like go by a full Angelina, like you have to. But she has been waiting for this moment. Like, I think she kind of didn't have a lot of screen time because she was probably a little bit like you know, quiet, but she's like, I have one line you guys are gonna have to put in. Give me a second.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

Yes, she gives her jacket to the tribe, and I understood this reference. I was very proud of myself. This is one of the few survivor clips you have shown me in the past, and so I recognized it in the montage of the intro to Survivor 50, and I kept forgetting. I'll be honest, I'm sorry, girl, poor Angelina, who she was throughout the season. But I kept being like, Oh, that's the jacket girl.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

So the jacket girl. This was a good exit, and she knows that's her MO, so she's like in on the joke. But that's part of why I think we don't see her as much. Like in her first season, she was so just like out of touch, and now she's oh self-aware, which is good, but like not as good TV.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

Yes, I mean there's a lot of discourse right now about whether good people make good reality TV.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

So I I don't know her original season, but I think it's an interesting point about like being out of touch, and maybe we should double-click on that sometime.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

They also, I thought this was new. They gave Angelina an exit interview. It turns out I just don't like to see when they show the clips from the next episode. So I didn't realize that all of these eliminated players were getting exit interviews.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

That was so funny. And we were like, oh yeah, if you just like fast forward the last commercial after the last commercial break, it is after I did realize it is actually after the next on. So I thought it was before.

SPEAKER_02 50:11

And so I actually I went to go watch Charlie's today, and I didn't like all the spoilers I was getting for next week. So I actually haven't seen Charlie's, but that's fine. I'm I'm fine with that. That being said, Angelina, I could see it in her eyes. That girl was ready to be shipped back to a resort for the rest of the yeah, with Mike White.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

She's like, I was just doing this line. She's not it would be you and me, like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:41

Yeah, I'd be like, I'd be like, Q, you can vote me out. Vote me out. Like, it's fine. Rashana too's gone. I'm ready to go hang out.

SPEAKER_01 50:50

This is at the resort. Okay, I'm done. I'm done now. And that's good. Like, she's got a little publicity, and now she's going, she gets to go home. Um, not that I always buy into the 15 minutes of fame. I'm sure she like really wanted to play, but I I would want to go home personally.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

We go to Sila, and Rizzo mentions that he's been playing Survivor for 36 of the last 45 days. And to be fair to him, this is the one like note of credit I will give Rizzo the whole episode. If I had played Survivor for 36 out of the last 45 days, I would also lose my grip on reality. So to be fair, he's been through a lot.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

Like, I mean, it's it's but like it's so wild. Like we said, like he's losing his grip on reality, but he is, is he? Am I? I think I am. That's what's happening. Watching Brizzo be successful time and time and again makes me feel uncomfortable because I'm like, am I the one not living in reality?

SPEAKER_02 51:53

We we get a great Jonathan saying Mr. Jeff, which right after Jeff's impression. It felt mean.

SPEAKER_01 52:04

No, it felt mean because we were all on the joke with Jonathan.

unknown 52:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

That was my like Stephanie moment when you were earlier like worried about Angelina's feelings because we were like pretending that we were going for Stephanie. I felt bad when Jonathan, I just laughed at his impression, and now I'm like, oh, you're just doing it.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

You're just proven that's just you. You touched on this a little bit, but I really liked what Devons had to say about Rizzo. And I think a lot of their perception of him as a player is like, oh, he hasn't seen his season play out. Unfortunately, as you said, he kind of was getting a lot of screen time and his moments did really air. But I think that Devons is saying exactly what I said last week that there's a part of the survivor experience that is seeing how the public reacts to you when your game is aired. And something I didn't think about or touch on, but that Devons does, is you also haven't seen the other people you played with, their confessionals, the the scenes where you weren't there, them talking about you behind your back. You don't actually have a full understanding of what that game looked like and your place in it. You he only has his experience. So I think he is, I don't know if it's a disadvantage or an advantage, because I think he really benefits from having this confidence. And but there's a lot to be said for not only seeing the public reaction to your personality and bravado, but to get a fuller picture of what actually happened during season 49 that he doesn't have.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

You know, you're right. I hope he's okay. Like, I I am always like, I can't stand Rizzo, but I am a little bit like this. He did have like no idea, and maybe went in more cocky than he would have. And so he might have more regrets, like you know, it in that season between the two. He might have been like, ugh, but like he said on at Tribal, like the folks who've gone back to back have done very well historically.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

And I said this last week, I would really be interested in seeing a Rizzo, I can't believe I'm saying it, a Rizzo third time around, where I'm sure you'll receive. I like to hope that there would be a substantial difference between his gameplay in these first two games and after having actually aired a season.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

I was shocked again though, all to be said when everyone wrote down Charlie.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

And to quote Liz, I'm pissed, which I forgot to mention, but they aired in last week's episode, and I got the reference thanks to you. This Camilla, I trusted you. My girl, I've been in the Camilletary since day one, and I'm about to unenlist because I can't believe it. I I'm hoping it's for like a longer con, a longer gameplay, like you said, but right now Camilla girl.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

They're just like not willing to take the backseat, and they feel like with they're like, we would never get in the backseat to him. That's what they think. We'll see. No, well, tell me what you think about Charlie. I mean, Charlie says tears on my guitar. What were your first thoughts when you heard about Charlie? He was one of the only people you recognized, correct? Besides Mike White.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Correct. I had seen Charlie's viral clip of naming Taylor Swift songs. So I knew that he was a fellow Swifty. I knew that he was uh one for the culture. So I did in his little promo photo, I said, is this the Swifty? He's either one of the girls and I'll love him, or he could be kind of pompous or preppy. And I don't think I actually watching him play got any like preppy vibes from him. I also Charlie was nice. He was, I was rooting for him. I wanted him to stay. I don't think I like fell in love with him in the way that I quite expected to either. He he treaded more of a middle ground, and I'm sad to see him go. Like, not just because Rizzo was the alternative, I'm also genuinely sad to see Charlie go. I would have loved for him and Camilla for, I said this at the beginning of this episode, for my Call of 4, for my girls, Jonathan, Charlie, Camilla and D, to run this island. And unfortunately, instead, this has kind of created a rift between, I'm sure, Jonathan and Camilla and D. And of course, I'm I'm holding on by a thread to Camilla and D, and maybe Sari, even though I don't trust her. But I I would have liked to see Charlie go further in that alliance, and I'm sad about the way that these decisions and and tribal alliances have been made.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

That's totally fair. I what do you think about Angelina going in and coming out?

SPEAKER_02 57:11

I said she seems nice question mark. And I also wrote, unfortunately, I did peak her original standing when looking this up. I now have no clue or memory of what her original standing was. Was she like a runner-up? Was she close to the final? Yeah. She must have been if I had like noticed. But I think that meant in my mind, oh, she's made it really far. She's gonna be a big threat. In summation, in hindsight, I definitely nobody seemed to think she was a threat, and she really kind of didn't make a lot of waves. Her elimination, I don't think, will make a lot of waves. And she seemed sweet, she had her jacket joke, and Q seemed to have the read on her when he said she just kind of stands there and yeah, that's Angelina had that iconic moment.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

She was so funny in her first name play. Like very unaware. I think she is was kind of brought to Final Three in a similar way that we're hoping Rizzo is like getting more to Final Three where he was where she was a little bit of a goat, uh, so that no one would give her goat votes. And I don't think she did get any votes in final three, or was that a final two? But I believe it was Mike White and Nick and Angelina in the in the final, and Nick wins. Um, I really liked Tom Azwinner at the time. I think he's been weird since, but maybe I shouldn't give my my opinion on him.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

But maybe good people don't make good TV. And I don't know anything about Nick, so maybe that's a little maybe I'm overstepping. I will throw my hands on the back of the phone. Okay, okay. Oh, Survivor.