Survivor 50 Episode 7 "That's Not How I Play Survivor"

Murjanatu and Lucas

Superfan, newbie

React to Coach's decline

This week's episode of Survivor was full of haikus, so we thought we'd try our hand at one as well! In the most explosive episode of Survivor 50 yet, tensions run high and alliances are tested. Join us as we react to this week's twists, turns, and revelations.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to Mist the Boat, a Survivor First Watch podcast.

SPEAKER_04 0:04

Okay, okay. Well, your first time, Lucas. I'm a lifelong fan. I am Rajana too, one of your co-hosts, and your resident survivor super fan.

SPEAKER_02 0:13

And I'm Lucas, a survivor newbie.

SPEAKER_04 0:16

Each week I will guide my best friend here through Survivor as we react to the iconic season 50 together.

SPEAKER_02 0:23

This week, Survivor 50 episode 7. That's not how I play Survivor.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

Oh brother. Oh my gosh, Coach, you are on my burn book now as well. I hated that line. I hated how he acted, and I cannot believe that like we let him get away with it. At least this episode.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

I do. Coach makes lots of enemies, and yet nobody does anything about it. But I know I am surprised slightly to hear you say that because I feel like a lot of this season you've said you have to be okay with people being upset with lying, because yes, you can lie in the game, but there's going to be consequences. Coach definitely takes it maybe a bridge too far, but I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:07

Well, I would say a town too far. I mean, there is a difference between being in an alliance with someone and then like blindsiding their number one versus like I mean, no one even lied to Coach, first of all. Like I'm I kept being like, wait, what is he upset about? I kept thinking, like, throughout the entire episode, I was like, and I think he honestly his ego is hurt because he lied and he's just trying to like, I don't even know.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

He's making the whole thing about himself, which we get there's a scene where literally there is a conversation happening and he just has to butt in and start to make it about himself.

SPEAKER_04 1:45

And I'm like, Coach, this has nothing to do with you. Well, I mean, Jonathan does that, but he does it on purpose. But I'm just so I just think it's a completely different situation because I'm just like, this you're you are the victim to nothing. I mean, I guess Kobe getting out, but he was like pitching Kobe because he knew it was between him or Kobe. Yeah. And like that had already happened, and that had nothing to do with well, I mean, I guess it had a little bit to do with D, but he knew that situation going in, and she chose to keep coach.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Yeah, he's still here. He was one of the two options when it was him and Kobe. So I he doesn't have any reason to be upset about that. I don't know what he is.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

It's just this he thought he was closer to D than maybe he. I don't even know. D betrayed Jonathan. Yeah. And so, and that's something like I understand. And that's like to my point of like, you know, you gotta be the calculating, understanding who's gonna be upset with what. That made sense. But the coach of it all makes no sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

He mentions you. I also was thinking, I feel like earlier this season you have said, coach is talking a lot about playing a different game, being a different person, but this seems like old school coach. I feel like he did turn a corner this episode, and this is like well, I wrote, we'll we'll get there. I wrote, oh, this is why he was on the villains team.

SPEAKER_04 3:08

Yes, I was gonna say he's like he's got he's reverted. Like in turn a corner, like he went back to square one. Yes, I agree. Yeah completely. And he kind of acknowledges that. Oh, okay. Well, welcome to the podcast, folks. We got right into it because this episode. I actually did love this episode. Like the drama of it was rich. Yes. Like, did I like the outcome? Not necessarily. And I am just a little nervous about how big boy centric this season has been. Um, but the episode itself, I was like, we haven't gotten a survivor like screaming match in so long.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

That was rich. That was a lot of fun. And I mean, I think in general, just starting after the blood moon, tensions are high. Everybody is in shock.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

Right. We open in on like Tiffany, and she is just like, she's trying to remain calm, but she's pissed. She's I stole my burn book line from her. She is like, this is ridiculous. I lost an ally, and she's trying to remain calm. Chrissy's like, she's handling this really well. Meanwhile, she's like screaming in the background.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Screaming. I was like, you're recording these at night. I'm assuming other people can hear you.

SPEAKER_04 4:21

100%.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

Oh, I understand, and it is this makes sense. Again, to be upset about this. Camilla was voted out. Right. Jonathan did turn on them. He drew a line in the sand. And now that we are post-merge, I found it really interesting just to see how, yes, we kind of made fun of them last episode for still splitting them into three groups, but the fallout is still affecting the whole group. Right. This is a huge group to be so shaken up and mixed up in just so many people all reacting to finding out who was eliminated.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

Well, it's crazy for Ozzy and Rizzo just jumping ahead a little bit when they jump in and they're like, did some type of massacre happen? Like to go from wait, they went from 17 to 14. Like, that's a big deal. And they can sense it right away. And and the game has shifted like so much because no one's knowing what happens at these different tribal councils.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Yes, and Ozzy says, this is exactly where my head was at last week. It was actually the biggest advantage in the game to just spend the night on Exile Island, make it through, because this has also not just about the three people who get eliminated, it has now sown so much discord between the people who had to participate in the tribals that the more you can just opt out of that and be like, sorry, I was chilling on exile, the better.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

Yeah, I a hundred percent agree. I mean, so we we we we see Tiffany, she's very upset. She she, by the way, I just love Tiffany. Like her that confessional where she's just like writing in the burn book and she's just so upset. Like, I just I love that about her. And then the other, I think, biggest fallout is Aubrey forgetting air quotes there to play her idol. That was so funny how like everyone knew about it right away because it's just so ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

And I said this last week. She had the ability to make an informed decision and see that Genevieve wasn't safe, she missed her shot in the dark, she decided to keep her idol. That makes sense to me. Just tell people that. Like, probably you should have just played the idol anyway, because people are not happy that she said she was gonna play it and she didn't. But making up a lie to say that you forgot in the heat of the moment and it all happened so fast, yeah. Instead of just being like, oh, I saw Genevieve was unsafe and so I kept an eye, like in some ways you just have to stick by it. No, I think nobody's believing you.

SPEAKER_04 6:45

No one would believe the lie. I'm also just like, it's interesting to compare Aubrey to like Rizzo, for example. Like Rizzo, I've told you a couple different times now. Last season he just pretended he's gonna play his idol every single time. And Aubrey, like, instead of she takes it to heart that people are upset about it.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 7:02

When she could just be like, ready or not, here I come. I do wonder the boomering element to it all might just put a bigger target on her back than anything else. So she's like, I do want to just burn this, but I mean, she could keep doing that.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

And this is I have a prediction. Well, this is interesting. I wrote this prediction at the beginning of the episode, and now I think it'll be interesting to see who goes home next week. I thought I was like, okay, I'm predicting now that Aubrey is gonna play her idol, throw it away at the end of this episode, and get voted out next episode. Now that Coach has drawn so much heat, I don't know, but it would be interesting to see now. Yes, Aubrey doesn't have the target on her back, and I do think this is what she should have done. It was good gameplay for this episode, but it'll be interesting to see how long she remains safe.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

I 100% agree. Aubrey in general is not super connected to anyone, she's a little bit connected to Tiff. And I'm afraid Tiffany, if she wants to keep going in this game, she's gonna have to redraw some alliances. True. And I do not think Aubrey is gonna be a really helpful number for her. So I'm very interested to see where Aubrey ends up after all this. She's weirdly connected to Devons and Christian, but I think she burned a little bit of a bridge with not playing the idol and just not giving them an opportunity to get the idol. It's just a tricky situation.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Well, and she also had that scene back when they were still in tribes with Coach being like, Hey, I really want to play with you because she saw him as the leader of that tribe. So it's interesting. Again, these are all quite tenuous connections, but Tiff and Coach are absolutely polar opposites in terms of alliances right now. So Aubrey doesn't, she is, I guess, in some ways, what they start calling the middle players, which is confusing wild, but she's not with Devons and Christian in the same way anymore.

SPEAKER_04 9:04

I I just feel like in general, and and Rezzo calls this out coach is playing a very elementary game. I don't actually think that Emily, Christian, Devons are the middle, like he's saying, that's the other camp. And they're letting you pick off these this small group of women, there are three people, two people left. I mean, I don't even know who's really in it, when they're like saying there's a line in the sand, that uh those people aren't the middle, they're the other side. You're targeting the middle and you're just not paying attention to it. You know what I mean? I guess they're in middle in the fact that they're voting for, they're willing to be swayed either way towards coach or towards D.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 9:44

But it just feels like to me, like if Coach was thinking a little bit bigger, he would notice that that other side with Christian, Devons, Emily, that's an established group and a much bigger group than what he has in his four horsemen plus Rezzo.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Well, Rizzo becomes the new fourth horseman, which I didn't know.

SPEAKER_04 10:06

That wasn't a thing before.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

I was like, when did they and Coach has been getting a lot of screen time? So weird that this is the first confessional we hear him call.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

I think he just came up with it like as Colby was out the door. I there's a world where he's been saying it the whole time and the producers just didn't show us, but I think seeing how unhinged Coach was, I'm more quick to believe that he just didn't think of it until now.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

And he gave Joe and Colby these whole knighting ceremonies. I feel like he would have mentioned the four horsemen if that was part of it at the time. So maybe that was only four horsemen once he knew Jonathan was on his side because of the blind side the night before getting out Camilla. So he says there was a line in the sand, now there's a wall in the sand. This is war. And I think they used that clip twice, and the editors were getting a little sloppy. I was I was complimenting the editors.

SPEAKER_04 11:00

I think maybe he just said it a million times, to be honest. Because he kept putting it in haikus. Oh that's the other thing. The haikus.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

The haikus. Coach. So he is pontificating, of course, about this is not how I play Survivor. And it is rightfully, rightfully, I think so. Dee and Tiff are angry. Yeah. It is upsetting them. And so this is where I was like, Coach, what are you doing? Dee walks up to confront Jonathan because he blindsided her the night before. And Coach is just laying in the hammock and then is like, well, actually, I'd like to chime in and make this about me. And that's where I'm like, Coach, this was Dee was literally about to walk away with Jonathan to have a separate conversation, which we find out in confessionals. Yeah, Jonathan is here intentionally riling her up.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

That's not coach's play. Like, what is he doing? Why is he getting in?

SPEAKER_04 11:54

To be fair, she did ask him. She was like, You good, coach? And then he said, No, I'm not good. To be fair, like he didn't just jump in. To be like, you know, I'm not gonna give Coach a lot of liberty because he does do so many absurd things. I do want to call out that this one was a little less absurd, but it is interesting. I think, I mean, I Jonathan said he riled her up. Like Jonathan needed Coach to be a witness to that. That's true. And so that is like, it was all very calculated on Jonathan's part. And so I just want to give a little bit of credit there because, and it's not even credit because coach is being manipulated. Because Coach and Dee had seem to have a little bit of a bond before, and he's willing to throw that all out. Again, I say, for what?

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Like what actually happened that he's upset about. Jonathan told Coach, you know, D doesn't trust you. And he just like decided to believe Jonathan. Yeah. And I mean, it's a little bit accurate. And I think again, Coach did get caught in a lie last week where he told D that Emily was talking about her.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 12:57

And it was not true. And I think that part of his little mental menti bee he's having is because he got caught and he's trying to like just fan the flames of something else.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Yeah, he's like floundering. He's maybe feeling guilty about the lying and right, because there's no other reason for this.

SPEAKER_04 13:12

And he's like, that's not how this is where he says, like, that's not how I play Survivor to D, who I'm like, what did D actually do though? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

I I do love, I was shocked when Jonathan goes, Are you being honest? And that's before we know what he's doing. And the way this confrontation escalates and they start shouting at each other and everybody's watching, I was living for this drama. Like this was so fun.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

I'm gonna say it. That was like a brilliant move by Jonathan. Yes because he seemed, he stayed so calm.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 13:44

To be honest, like Dee is being manipulative. Like, she's like, Coach, look around. Everyone's doing this, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, she could have owned that she's not feeling super tight. And there were, like, she could have done different things, but like, for Jonathan to just be like, are you being honest, Dee? Scary. And she just goes on and she says, My like, what did she say exactly? She's like, you know, my Cuban came out, and I just like could not stop. And it did. The Cuban, the Cuban in me is coming out. And she just railed into it. And I I loved watching this. I thought it was like really good TV. I loved seeing how like both of their brains were working in the moment. And oh, but like, coach comes out the winner. That makes me so mad.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Yes, but I would I was gagged and gooped when Jonathan admits that he's like pushing her buttons and he wants this to be a public display. And agreed. I don't I was on Jonathan's side, I think, for most of his decisions last episode. I think he was smart to side with the old school. I don't love that that now means he's on Coach's side.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

I agree. I and but I do think Jonathan is playing a very good game. Like he is going forward with the people he knows he can. Now let's see though. Coach has become this kind of bomb at this point. He is just being so irrational after this. I don't know if you want to be on his side, but I just wanted to say, like, I loved the people at camp's reactions to the fight because it was so because it was so noisy. It was really fun to watch everyone's faces be like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_02 15:18

And I was on Emily's side. I just, Coach is being so self-righteous. I felt like he was being a teacher to a group of students and being like, this is not what we do in my classroom. And it's like, it is not your classroom. These are not your subordinates. Like 100%. I don't know why. And so I this is where I wrote. Now I see why he was in the villain group. And I also wondered, I now that jury has started, I wonder how much more he feels entitled to tell people how they can and can't play. Because this is when he says, like, oh, you'll never win with this type of gameplay. And I wonder if he's like holding that over these people of like, well, now we're on the jury, we get a say in who wins, and I will never vote for somebody who's this kind of player.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

Yeah, I don't really know. That is actually a that's a more fair analysis than I was willing to give him. I also just think that the thing that I couldn't stand was the gender disparity in this entire thing. Like, he is so much meaner and stricter with women than he is with the men and in telling them what to do. Specifically, like if we we jump ahead just a little bit, they're trying to figure out how they can get the votes. And coach, like you said, is telling people how to vote. He's some people are like, I want to vote for X, I want to vote for Y, because I have a relationship. They're trying to do jury management, yes, which is totally normal and good. And Coach is getting mad and he is screaming at Stephanie who told Christian about this, blah, blah, blah. And Stephanie has no idea. She wasn't there. Devons, who actually did do the telling to Christian, coach is like, hey man, I'm just trying to figure out who did this. Yes. I the the 180 turn there was like, oh, he is sexist. Like, and it really made me just turn off to coach even more. Like I usually can enjoy him as a silly player, but I was like, this is a little too real, Coach. I don't love that.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Right. And it's so obvious it was Devons. They're literally best friends. Who do you think told Chris? Like, and again, we get Rizzo even says, Coach, what are you thinking? Like anybody with eyes to see. And I was like, why am I siding with Rizzo right now?

SPEAKER_04 17:29

I was siding hard with Rizzo this episode. Honestly, like overall, like he's doing the he's doing a good job. And he's a student of the game. I loved how he called out, like, oh, okay, I'm your replacement fourth horseman. So he's not falling for it. Uh-huh. It is still interesting, though, that like all of these like legends want Rizzo. Like, it is interesting. Yeah. But then secondarily, it is so funny for Coach to be like, this is my game. I this is not how you play, this is not how we play Survivor. But then Rizzo's actually coaching him on how to play Survivor. And it's like Coach is not taking that moment. That's what I was saying earlier to just check the room. Like, who is actually connecting with who? Yeah. Why wouldn't you see that Devons and Christian are obviously a duo?

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Yeah, I don't know. He at some point, I do not even remember this. This is so funny. Coach just has so much going on this episode where he's talking to Joe and they're talking about Arthurian legend and like the knights of the round table. And poor Joe just looks so dumbfounded. I if I were him, I would be like, what cart have I tied my horse to? Like, what did I get myself into?

SPEAKER_04 18:35

I know it's gonna be interesting to see how all of these calculations play out because there are so many people who think they have like maybe a goat, like someone they're bringing to the slaughter. I think Jonathan is kind of in that with Coach. I think Cari is thinking that with Rizzo and Ozzy. But it doesn't always work exactly how you calculate it. So I'll be interested to see how this plays out.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Speaking of Rizzo, when we have Coach inviting Rizzo to be the new fourth horseman, and it'll be really interesting to see because he's like, I only want people who are honest and with integrity. And Rizzo's like, yes, 100%. I want to play with you. And then he's like, I don't trust this man. Like, oh no, thanks, I'm Colby's replacement. But this made me wonder where Sari and Ozzie fall. And I think to your point, nobody's looking at Siri and Ozzie as kind of middle players because they're kind of outside of it. But I'm like, where do they fall on this whole old school new side? That's a good point. And so far they've been able to stay. Of course, I was about to say Ozzie stays outside of it because he was on exile, but so was Rizzo. And yet he's been pulled in. Again, why do these legends want to pull in Rizzo? But I'm curious where and how Suri and Ozzy will maybe filter into this.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

They are in a I think that trio is in the best position right now. Like they are so under the radar. To be fair, so is the shall I say, Nerd Alliance. Like Emily, Christian Devons. But I do think, you know, Christian did, or at one point, Coach says Christian is the most dangerous in the game. Besides D. Like he has a but like because Coach is crazy. But anyway, he was talking through that, and I'm like, it's interesting. No one has said Suri's name in so long. She is so good at the game. Oh man. I love her. I love her. I like I'm falling more in love with her. I guess she's just I get what you're saying from it's just so masterful to see her not even have to use words and like convince people to vote for her.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

To be fair, I've really enjoyed a lot of Ceres gameplay, like this episode and last, but we see they are Sari's Rizard of Oz.

SPEAKER_04 20:44

I wonder who like did Rizzo actually say that? Like to them or just to Cam Rock.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

And then Rizzo is mad. Again, so that was a really terrible transition. We should actually be talking about Emily and the way that girl cannot keep her mouth shut. She finds out one piece of information and has to tell everybody else.

SPEAKER_04 21:06

It's absurd. The thing is, like, it hasn't hurt her at all. But it is like very weird to watch like her just be so reckless.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

She just walks up to Rizzo and she's like, so hey, I heard you got an idol who sent it to you.

SPEAKER_04 21:24

And then did not even lie about who told you. Like, especially because I would have thought her and Dee were close. They were in the yeah, they were in their first season together. Like they're bond, they have a bond bigger than like the normal. So I'm like, why did you just confess? That was so strange.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

And this was really interesting because she admits it was Dee, and then Rizzo is angry and confronts Dee. And I believed her acting at the beginning. I was like, wait, is this real? She's acting so shocked. And she's throwing Emily under the bus for the sake of it, but she's like, Oh, this is my mistake. She's like, I've Dee has also told everybody that Rizzo has to be.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Like he only told Dee and Serene. And he knows like he's just like, I don't really see where Rosero would do it. So it's like, it's gotta be D. That's true. And Emily said it was. So like it adds up. Like Rizzo was careful with the information. And so he could trace it back. And Dee knows she messed up. I actually think this was a game losing decision for D. Had she not thrown Emily under the like all of the pieces that happened here, maybe she could have actually mustered those votes towards Coach. But because she just lost Rezzo's trust, which then you're gonna lose Sari and Ozzy. That's a quite a few people when you don't have room to play.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Yeah, that's a really good point. And she actually says that could be a million-dollar mistake. And it was that's that's really interesting. To see that in hindsight, I hadn't thought about that the the first time.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

Yeah, I like that she just knows she messed up, and but like I think in her mind she knows that's that was it. Between like losing her cool and then having the Rizzo situation, she I think this is where she's like, I need to figure something out. Well, next thing that happens while she's trying to figure this out, a journey boat arrives.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Yes, and Chrissy has the idea they have to pick somebody to go on the journey for them all to put their shots in the dark in a bag and pull it out. I'm assuming I wouldn't have thought this, but just looking at your face, this looks like something that's like.

SPEAKER_04 23:26

No, I was like, I just like I'm sorry to love Chrissy. I'm like, yeah, a lot of times they'll do like um I I think it was smart for Chrissy. The reason why I think so is like just to make sure everyone still has their shot in the dark. Like, did anyone play it when we didn't know about it at Tribal? Like, you know, it was a really good, they didn't show a confessional or saying this, but it was like a nice thing to just like, hey, I'm just gonna pulse check who has what here. Usually what they do is they'll like do sticks and like one is shorter than the other or like rocks or something, or they'll just talk about it. But that was interesting. I I liked that move.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

And so Steph is going on a journey and she is not happy about it. None of them seem to think that a journey is a good thing, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_04 24:10

It's like such a double-edged sword. I think it's because, like, yes, you get an advantage, which is always great. Usually people want to go. You know, I think it's just once you're actually there and you are having to A, do an activity and B, everyone knows you went and everyone expects that you're lying. Yes. It's just like a weird double-edged sword that I think people usually want to go until they're actually in the situation and they're like, Oh, how do I get out of this situation?

SPEAKER_02 24:36

It's kind of like a game, a game in general. I've been thinking a lot about traders, so but similar to traitors, where it seems like you want to stay under the radar as much as possible, and a journey is putting a spotlight on you. And just like exile, it's removing you from the group for however much time. And like you said, people are all gonna assume that you did win an advantage and you're lying about it. Right. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:02

I don't know if I I like a lot of times they used to have to like climb up a mountain just to get to it. And I was like, I wouldn't do it. I was just like, I haven't eaten, like, I'm tired. Well, and similarly, one of the main things I had from this was like, I hope just for fairness of the game, whatever the challenge is, is not gonna hurt her chances in the next challenge. I'm not a steph person, but just out of the fairness of the situation, right? I could not believe that the endurance challenge that she had to endure by herself looks so much like the endurance channel challenge we have for immunity leaders. Yes. I was like, that's not fair. And it's I think the same day.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

Yeah, I think it is. And this challenge on the journey looks like a torture chamber. Yeah. I mean, this looks awful. And she has to hold her arm up for an hour above her head without pulling this bucket of water down.

SPEAKER_04 26:00

That oh and she has like trauma on her other shoulder from Survivor. Like she had to have reconstructive surgery after it got dislocated, I think in the first episode of Heroes vs. Villains. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

So I mean this is they show it happening, they show them relocating it with like a sling. Wild. Wild.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

But she does it. In the end, she does it. She gets to steal, she gets an advantage of stealing a vote, which I always like. I mean, you you can take a vote away from someone and put another one towards where you want it to go. Yes, it's a good advantage. I just love like this. Is where I'm like, again, Sari is just so good. Like, she clocks it right away. Like to camera, she tells us that Steph definitely has an advantage. And she does, she says, I believe you, and gives her a look. And Steph just grumbles that, and like, that's why Sari is Surree. Like, it is. I'm like, why would you do that, Steph? You just feel like you have to, and it's Sari. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Yes, she Suri just has Steph kind of eating out of her hand and is like, here's here's the real tea. Of course, Suri, you mentioned, is probably bringing Rizzo along as a goat, but is still keeping him in the loop of all of this information. Like so far, their information waterway is airtight. So she passes it immediately on to Rizzo. She says to Steph, she's not gonna tell anyone, and then it cuts to her telling Rizzo, which I was just like, gosh, everybody is lying in this game. Yeah. And now Rizzo and Suri are targeting D because of what happened. And so I think you're right that having both coach and the Siree Rizzo Alliance turning against her is not gonna turn out. It's not good.

SPEAKER_04 27:48

I think she could have recovered from one or the other, but both in the same day, yeah, it was rough. Well, so then we go for so we know that and we go into immunity and reward.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

Which it looks like, according to my notes, is actually the next day. So Steph at least had a day to rest her own.

SPEAKER_04 28:02

That's good.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

But and I also wrote down she did that a day after winning the last challenge where she had to hold herself up on those planks. My body would not make it through survive first.

SPEAKER_04 28:13

And as a a reminder, the game went from 39 days, so you'd have rest days in between to 26. And so now that's part of why these like it's a faster game, so you're not starving as much by the end, but you are doing an activity every day. Every day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Dang.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

Or at least most people are. What did you? I'm curious though, what you thought of this little split. So like half the people get to participate in the latter half of the immunity challenge.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

Like we start off as one big group, but only half of those are gonna go to half can compete for the reward, or all of them can compete for the reward, half of them can compete for immunity.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

And the reward is Chinese takeout.

SPEAKER_04 28:59

Love, we just had some.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Literally. Very on theme. It sounds amazing. However, one thing about the reward, this is like the first time I feel like that they've passed up a brand deal deal in the whole season. I was surprised.

SPEAKER_04 29:14

It usually is there's only one brand deal the whole season with like Applebee's. So this for the hands of the in the hands of the brands. Yes, it's strange, but not in Survivor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Good to know. Well, I actually liked the schoolyard pick kind of model. I think I said this last week. When they split into three for the challenge, I would have wanted to like divide myself amongst the group so that we could pick people of similar acumen and just be competing within your group. Here, they do draw rocks to pick a captain. So I think Jonathan and yeah, Christian are the captains for purple and blue. I like this model. It's it's first a team challenge and then an individual. And you have to be on the winning team if you want to go for immunity, which is interesting. And I I thought the challenge itself with this giant boulder going through the labyrinth and the uh obstacles looked like a video game, like mini-game. Yeah. Just on really large scale, which I I thought this one looked fun.

SPEAKER_04 30:18

I thought so too. I again I've said this a couple of times. I really just wish if they do schoolyard picks, we got to see it. Like, yeah, I want to see what you're thinking through, your strategy, but they must not be able to talk and just have to do it like pretty quickly for them. Because I just feel like drama could come from that. What I though said, like where I was like, Jonathan's team is not looking good. Like, I felt like it was obvious Christian's team was gonna win from the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

I didn't pay enough attention, I guess. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

Well, that was just a note that uh I had that I was just like, ooh, I think it I think that's an obvious Christian win. And and that is the group that gets to that final immunity challenge.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Well, and I thought with Emily and Christian working on the puzzle versus Coach and Chrissy, I was like, oh, well, done. Right. But that was closer than I thought, to be fair.

SPEAKER_04 31:02

To be fair, actually, yes, to that is a great point. Like it ended up being a night nail biter in the end, and I had not expected that. Like, I thought it was gonna be another team. So that was really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

And then the balancing act for individual immunity, and I said I would be out immediately. They wouldn't even be able to start the challenge because they have to get everybody like up there and ready and hold it so that they can start the time.

SPEAKER_04 31:27

I'd be like, No, thank you. I did like that D immediately clocks like this is when I can win, especially because she knows she's in trouble, you know. And I thought she could. I I was transparently rooting for D. I did not want her to lose. I just was really sick of coaches' attitudes. I was like, if D can stay, that would be great. Ozzy gets it, which I think is like it is fun just because it's been 10 years since he's been on the show, and I mean it's been like a lot of years since he first won an individually immediately challenges. So I did like that.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

You recapped that so much more quickly than they did in the show. I felt like they made us watch every five-minute increment of them moving. I was like, okay, this is the challenge where I was the most checked out in terms of watching. Right. I was like, we can just keep it moving, please. And I did like that after Christian falls off, he's like walking back to the losers group and just like, Christian, get out of the way. He's like, get out of my camera. You're blocking the shot. Go wide. And I did actually think it would have been more dramatic if D had won, like just from again, a narrative perspective. If this was being written by somebody, Dee saving herself with immunity would have been more compelling. Once it was down to Joe and Ozzie, I was like, okay, I don't care, whichever. And again, happy for Ozzie, but he wasn't at risk. So in some ways, it's not a waste of immunity because, like, good for you, you've made it another night, but it's not changing people's voting.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

And then we go to basically the pre-tribal conversations. Right. And the first B-roll shot, I know this is not even about the players, is a tree full of bats. Yeah. I did not know there were bats on this island.

SPEAKER_04 33:18

There are so so I like just a quick tangent. When I was in Fiji, the wildlife we saw the most were bats. There were like bats everywhere at night. It ended up being like I kind of started to like them, and just was like, okay, night birds. But it is a lot. There are a lot of birds. Like I saw like a lizard and like a hundred bats.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

Growing up, bats flying into your house was like not super uncommon. Yeah. And so I just am not their biggest fan. I guess here you don't have a house for them to invent.

SPEAKER_04 33:47

You're in their house. They're like humans coming into my house isn't uncommon. That's funny. I also just wanted to call out that the Chinese food looked pretty good. Like not a ton of strategy talk there. Like they're pretty much just they were starving and they're just ready to eat.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Yeah, they were just chilling. So Tiff says something here. She's in defense of D. She says that it's stupid to send D home as the first juror because she's a winner. She says that is a huge shield in front of everybody. This felt like a different language to me. I did not understand a word out of that girl's mouth. What does that mean? I paused the episode. I like, I was like trying to decipher what does that mean in terms of what does it make a difference that a winner is the first juror?

SPEAKER_04 34:33

So and not so much, I think the first juror of it all. I think it's just bring Dean, no one's gonna give her a million dollars a second time. So Tiffany is saying Gotcha. Like she, it's not a great boot when the game is so serious now. When you could get rid of people who are, you know, again, like taking Tom and Bombs. I think her her vote is gonna be coach. Like it doesn't make sense to get rid of someone who is not going to win the million dollars in her perspective. I do think it's similar to I don't know if it's actually true. Like, I think Rizzo makes sense as a goat for now. His his time, his story is getting more compelling. I think coach is a goat that makes sense. I do not think Dee is actually the best goat, like because she is playing a pretty good game. People do like her. I think Tiffany is just saying that. Like that's how she feels.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

And yes, and she's obviously coming to D's defense, but I think that makes more sense now. She was talking about like that's a shield in front of everybody because oh, we can just bring her with us and then nobody's gonna win. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 35:40

Yeah, like she's an easy vote for a later date.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

And now we get to the plan of splitting the vote seven-four across TIF and D, because there's 14 of them going to tribal, largest group ever. And again, I gave them some crap last week for being like, was this really such a big deal to merge and then get rid of three people all at once? But even with those three people gone, this is still a huge group going to tribal. And now we have the numbers game, and coach is telling everybody what to do. And he celebrates. He literally acknowledges that he's regressing, and he was like, I'm back, baby. This is what you want to do. He's like, I'm like, what's up?

SPEAKER_04 36:22

I'm the Dragon Slayer. That's what he said. So I was like, ew, cringe.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

And I was like, I thought earlier this season you'd been talking about how your game has evolved and that you are like enlightened now, and it it does it almost feels bad. It watches it's like watching somebody backslide and being. No, it is.

SPEAKER_04 36:40

Well, and it's so funny because he literally is like, I'm back. Like, I told myself I'd never tell people to vote. And then like the next scene, he's like dancing with Aubrey. Why are you dancing with Coach? It was a little like, what? But I just was really turned off by Coach this episode, like completely. I will say too, like, originally it sounded like this the votes were gonna be split D Aubrey. That's what at least Chrissy says at Chinese food, but it sw it quickly turns to Tiffany because Coach is like, well, it's gonna be D or Tiffany. Now, I don't know if you know this, Lucas, but a big huge problem in Survivor is that uh the last, I think an absurd amount of seasons, seven plus maybe, or maybe it's like seven out of the last 10 seasons, a black person has been the first juror. Like they let black people get to jury.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

And then it a lot of times, like last season, I think it was like five black folks in it, five black folks made it to jury, and then it was the first five black folks who went. Just not good. It's like a really weird thing. I don't love it. I and so I was like livid that Tiffany's name got brought up on this, just because I was like, I just can't let this happen again.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

And I even said out loud to Daniel, I was my husband, I was like, hey, like this is gonna be hard for me to watch if it happens another way. And if like someone like Christian, who I know knows that statistic because he's right, he does his rounds on the podcast, like lets that happen. I will like it will be hard for me to continue watching. So I will say, at least it wasn't Tiffany. Like that did give me a little bit of like relief. You know, it's still a Latina woman, so it's not like that much about it, but it's like it just isn't. We did break the curse with 50.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

Good. That's good to hear. Traders is setting up its own similar curse over in the UK. SNL UK did just have a pretty funny um sketch about it, though.

SPEAKER_04 38:33

So but I didn't know I know SNL UK had an SNL.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

They have like three episodes, it's brand new. Oh, it's brand new off the phone.

SPEAKER_04 38:41

Exciting. I missed the boat on that next season. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

So speaking of coach getting on everybody's nerves, he gets on Devin's nerves because he calls Christian wishy-washy. And now, to your point, he is like berating Stephanie. He says there's hell to pay. Who told Christian that we're splitting the vote seven four? Beyond the like sexist nature of it all, what do you expect when you're trying to marshal 10 people? Right. To all you don't expect any information to get this is not a secure enough alliance of 10 people to expect that other people on the beach aren't gonna be looped in.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

Well, and like who how are you going to convince a smart person like Christian to vote for someone? You you just are telling him exactly who to vote for, and you're not giving him a reason why or like a guarantee things will go home if you're not gonna tell him the numbers or the strategy. Right. He's not gonna go for that. I wouldn't go for that. No, I'm surprised everyone still did go for that. You know, it's I completely like it's things are gonna get out. And also, did you ever say Christian can't do it? I love how he goes, the Christians of the world. He's like, we need to keep it out of the hands, and I was like, all right, it goes like And what is his beef with Christian?

SPEAKER_02 40:03

As you said earlier, he calls him the most dangerous player in the game besides D. Like, where did this come from?

SPEAKER_04 40:09

I think he's just smart and coach isn't. I think that's the problem.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

Yeah, yeah. I like when Devin says, you want to take a simple plan and make it complicated, let the dragon slayer get involved.

SPEAKER_04 40:22

I know it was it was frustrating. I just, and it's just again, like, how did Coach not realize Devon's and they were friends? Like, oh, okay, but the one thing that I have to comment on, Christian goes, I don't know if someone like uh in his school gave him a wedgie that looks like me or and I was like, Christian, you're the one getting wedgies. I just am like, it's just so often. I'm not trying to be a brat, but I'm like, Christian, no.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

Well, but I think he's asking the same question of like, what is classic drama? Like, what where is this coming from? And actually, I I think you make a good point about coach's treatment of like Steph because she says she doesn't want to vote for Tip and he throws a fit. He like cannot take her dissenting. And this is when I was like, oh, is this gonna be a coach elimination? Like, we start to see those seeds get sown, and I was very excited for that. And unfortunately, we'll get there or we won't. But Jonathan sends Rizzo away. Jonathan with coach. He's like, Rizzo, go take coach to calm down. Go take go take grandpa. He's a little upset. Like, go get him a cup of tea.

SPEAKER_04 41:32

Like, it's so funny, but I'm I am kind of like, how did Rizzo get like turn into the responsible party here? Like this they just bonded yet. And but he did uh like he did a pretty good job. Like he just talked straight, he's like, we slay dragons at tribal, not at camp. Duh. Like, why are you causing all this drama? You are spiraling out, and it's gonna lose the game. Again, like Rizzo is he's doing a good job. Like, I cannot discount it.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

He says the fact that a 25-year-old Albanian kid from New York City is teaching people how to play Survivor who have been playing almost as long as I've been alive is embarrassing. And unfortunately, it is. I said, somebody go check on hell. It must be freezing over because I'm a great so he is.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

This is the most likable he's been.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

100%.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

He he he's not being like more humble, if anything, but he's just right. And like that is kind of the weird thing with Rizzo, is like he's he's never lying. It's just very annoying. Like, he's just giving, he always gives himself more credit. But this time, he's the one to calm to calm coach down.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

I think it's also he's just like no longer the most annoying person on the beach. Like, coach has just become it's like the enemy of the of my enemy is my friend. And right now, even though they're not enemies, it's just like there's a bigger fish to fry, and so Rizzo is taking shelter under the like right shadow of coaches' domineering personality.

SPEAKER_04 43:04

And and coach is just losing it, by the way. Like, uh-huh. I'm sure there was some editing on like when what happened when I have heard that the D Jonathan fight actually happened right before tribal, like they actually kind of fudged the timeline.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 43:18

I don't know how accurate that is. Like, I don't I don't say the dailies, but I will say that that is one of the things that I've heard around around camp. But coach is just talking to himself, haikuing whatever haikus. And he's taken a page out of Rizzo's book. He's so pleased with himself. And it's so funny watching Emily and Jonathan just kind of see him descent into madness, and Ozzie walks by and they're like, Coaches, and she he's like bonkers, yeah. Like he just like finishes the sentence, he hasn't been around Coach, like he doesn't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

That's funny. It is fun watching them all watch Coach kind of, as you said, descend into madness. It is really Interesting. That is when I was like, oh my gosh, is this gonna happen? Is Emily gonna rally the troops? She's like, What hypothetically, like, what would it look like if we like went for coach? And Rick starts talking badly about coach in front of one of the four horsemen, Joe. I wondered if that was gonna come and bite him in the butt. It didn't, but I loved the montage of everyone getting on the same page and being like, Coach is not well. Chrissy says he's coming unhinged.

SPEAKER_04 44:29

He is, and I think I'm really hoping next week we're gonna see the fallout of this just because it didn't happen tonight. One thing, and I we've talked about this a little bit before. I do feel like for whatever reason the producers are going for gotcha moments to the audience.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

Rather than telling a story.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 44:47

Like I gave him a couple excuses the first few episodes because I thought, like, okay, like it must have been really clear, so they have to show us both sides. But I just am like, I don't really understand why people kept Coach. Like, give me some give me Christy. If Christy's gonna tell us that Coach is losing it, also give me Christy saying, but it makes sense to keep him for this vote. Things are complicated right now. It could come back on me if I if I shake it up this late. Just show me something that like shows both sides because I just I felt blindsided, and it was obvious D didn't. So I'm can I'm confused.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

We'll we'll get there. There's actually maybe a reason I didn't feel okay. Not that I didn't feel blindsided this episode, but I think there might be a reason that comes up a little bit later. I will say, actually, just before we get to tribal, and this is the last time I'm gonna talk about traitors this episode, but in the traitors, most often they'll like murder somebody, and you won't know who they've chosen to murder until the next episode. I wish, in some ways, that we didn't see who was voted out at tribal until the next episode.

SPEAKER_03 45:58

Oh my gosh, never.

SPEAKER_02 45:59

I want I think to your point, I would I was like, ooh, I kind of want the time to like sit and digest and theorize about like who's gonna vote for who because this all happens so fast. They're like talking about tribal and then we're there, and I'm like, well, I kind of want to like think about where the cards will fall. I don't know if I stand by that, and also I'm used to the Traders UK and they release three episodes a week. So you're like seeing them back to back. Yeah. So it's maybe a little bit different than waiting a whole week.

SPEAKER_04 46:24

Yeah, than actually actually having to wait for one. And it would be more similar to like the round table, you know? It would be yeah, so which I just think would be a little at least in traders you get two moments, right? It'd be very tricky in Survivor. Like, I just don't want this, I don't want Jeff to ever hear this. You asked for it to wait to the next week. Like, I did not, I am unsigning that. I do not like that idea. But um, yeah, so I think we just we we get to tribal, and it is what we call live tribal. And live tribal is when you like people are making decisions at tribal.

SPEAKER_02 46:59

Yeah, Jeff uses the phrase live tribal, and I was like, what is this? D starts, well, I mean, they start arguing, Dee and Jonathan again. Right on. Jeff was like, wow, and then D starts standing up and like whispering in people's ears and conspiring, and then everybody is whispering with each other. This was great television, but wild to see. Just such a departure from how tribals have gone so far, where this is almost chaos.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

I love and hate a live tribal because so often we can't actually hear what they say.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 47:36

And so it's so tricky to like, I just am like, I want to know exactly what's happening. This instance we saw D saying to multiple people, it's coach. I have the numbers.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Unfortunately, when you're doing that in a live tribal capacity and people are seeing you do it to multiple people, you lose your validity.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

Yes. Well, and that I think is why I didn't feel so blindsided. This to me is where it was like, okay, now I get why everybody's going for coach. I almost think if Dee hadn't done this, at least some people would have voted for coach. I don't know. I don't know. It just this is such a like dying breath, like a last ditch effort that I'm like, Dee, I'm on your side. A lot of people also think that coach is going crazy. Like you almost needed to just trust in what had happened pre-tribal because you're already not the most popular person in camp. So you being the one leading and spearheading this charge in tribal is actually not doing you any favors.

SPEAKER_04 48:36

Right. I I agree. I I think the the blind sided, I it's just more of the story of it. Like, it's just strange that everyone's last confessional is how strange coach is being, and then they all vote for D. Like, I just need, I want to hear, because I'm going to hypothesize that they think this is a better, a bigger get right now to get rid of D. She's one, she's strategic, she's smart, she's betraying secrets. Let's get her now over Coach. But we didn't hear anyone really say that. We're just like making decisions because and like, and because she played the shot in the dark, I was like, oh, okay. So she does, she doesn't have faith in her plan. So why would anyone else? So I guess I did understand it by the time they read the votes, but I still don't like that. I have no idea why.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

Yeah. But is it that her getting up in the middle of tribal is like rubbing people the wrong way?

SPEAKER_04 49:26

I would believe that if this was the first time, like in this season, we didn't get rationale for each side. Right. But that's true.

SPEAKER_02 49:35

The first few eliminations were also it keeps happening.

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Like that now I'm getting a little irritated. Um, because it just wouldn't hurt to throw in Chrissy saying, like, for example, like she was just the one who didn't get any screen time except for saying coach was being weird. Then explain to me why you're gonna vote for Dean. Because she does, or I don't know she might vote for Tiffany. I don't know exactly, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

Joe says at the beginning of this tribal that, well, at the firehouse, it's easy for us to make decisions. We all work together. And I love that this is where Sari, I was like, Yes, I loved Sari in this. She was like, in the firehouse, there's a hierarchy. There's not a hierarchy here. Like, yeah, and that is the whole issue with Coach's gameplay this episode that is so frustrating, is that he's putting himself above everybody else and telling them what to do. And so I very much appreciated Sari being like humbling everyone, yeah. He's like, no, there's no leader of this firehouse. Yes, it's secretly it's me, but like, yeah, there's no hierarchy here, and we don't work for anyone but ourselves. And so, and this is actually the most I've liked Sari the whole season. Yeah, because this is very astute gameplay, and one other thing in Tribal, as Dee and Jonathan are arguing again, this is where I started being on D's side because anytime someone, and in this case I mean Jonathan, is trying to win an argument by saying, Well, there are just too many things to count. There are just so many instances, I just can't get into it. You don't have any evidence. You are like, oh, D, you're just lying all the time. I can't even list all of the lies. And it's like list one. She has admitted, she in this tribal admits to the back, uh, not even backstabbing, blindsiding. She admits to the blindsiding you. She came up to apologize, and you said it was okay. It's fine if it wasn't. You're allowed to be upset about that.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

But you're painting her as this like larger liar without any actual evidence. And I get why Rizzo, we've talked about why Rizzo is upset with Dee, but I was like, Jonathan, this is just, it feels gaslight-y.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

Like I No, it does. I think like the women need to get it together like stat, or this is gonna happen to each and every one of them. I think that is my concern, is like we did see Dee get gaslit. I mean, it's complicated because it's not like she's not lying, it's just like everyone is, and especially the person talking about honor and integrity is lying. Yeah. And so that is what's so frustrating, and all Jonathan has to do, and it's like unfortunately a good strategy because Coach is sexist, is be like, this is the evil one. Yeah. And he's falling for it. And so I don't know, and I'm saying the women, but I think it could also come for Christian and others. Like, if this honor and integrity for horse, I mean, and I and I don't count Rizzo in that. That's the one thing about it.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

Like, I'm not sure who would But Rizzo's heart isn't in it either. Like it's really it's Coach Jonathan Joe.

SPEAKER_04 52:29

I think it could get bad. So I just and I hope like it would be sad to me if season 50, which I've loved so far, just turns into this like sexist mess, misogynistic like air. Yeah. So I'm hoping not for that. I did like again, I I did love this episode. Like, I was very relieved it wasn't Tiff. I am okay with Dee's journey because she has one. So I'm like, girl, it's like it's fine. And I do think I like how she was like, I'm gonna be little mayor of tribal council.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

I like that. We also Aubrey plays her idol. Oh, yes, she like wipes the slate clean. I love, she says, an idol that everyone knows about is not an idol at all. It's a scarlet letter. And I was like, okay, that's a bar.

SPEAKER_04 53:14

It is, it is, and it's one thing I want to say a little bit about the Billie Eilish boomerang idol that I do not love. Like, because everyone, by its nature, two people know. Yes, at least who has that idol. I just don't love that, and I don't love that you can't play it for another person. How cool would it have been if Aubrey could have played this idol for D and even just gotten a few more votes on coach. Like maybe some of those people who didn't really want to vote for Tiffany because they knew she was going to be there the next day might have looked a coach.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

Like there could have been like a lair, and I think unfortunately, it is stopping the idol play from reaching its full potential. I do hope we get a traditional idol next.

SPEAKER_02 53:59

Yeah, yeah. So the votes come. D gets eight votes, Tiff gets four, they split the vote, and Coach gets one. And Jonathan signed his vote, Miss D, which I was like, that is salt in the wound. That is cold. He wanted her to know that it was like.

SPEAKER_04 54:20

I literally looked up before this, before our recording. I'm like, did they play together? Because they seem to have like layers, but they did not play together before this. I mean, they are both uh new era, but I was like, oof, that is tricky.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

So this is this is so interesting, rereading some of my thoughts because I this is not what I wanted, not what I expected. I think they should have taken the opportunity to go for coach. Maybe they just all are like, he's gonna be like this tomorrow. We'll just vote about tomorrow. That's that is my hope. But I said I think it's good to see how much scheming and planning can go on at camp without anyone's name ever making it onto a ballot. But to your point, like, what is the storytelling that we're delivering? Right. Like, how why are we seeing all of that scheming and planning if it's not coming to anything? And where are people's heads out? Why are eight of you voting for D and the four of you that are voting for TIFF are also voting for D? Like are in the same way. You want D to go.

SPEAKER_04 55:27

Yeah. Like to convince everyone. And I guess I'm thinking it is so I think what I my theory is there are so many people. You are one person the wrong way. You feel like if I start putting, as long as it's not me, I do not care. And so they're just like, we'll just go forward with this. Coach is being weird, but if we switch it right now, what if it go like the votes get split one other way and somehow I can be the victim? Or you know, D's shot in the dark hits good. Like, let's just get someone who's not me out. And unfortunately, Tiffany and Dee were in the minority, so I don't know how Tiffany recovers now, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

She really like ties herself to D's vote. Right. Dee did not leave with a lot of people on her side.

SPEAKER_04 56:18

Like, I know. Dang. Dang. Ugh. All because I feel like Camilla, like that was the first. Now here we are.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

And I like I said, I was kind of on. I understood why Jonathan made the decision he did. I think he's right that they those women would not have like they would have seen him as a goat, yeah, carried him to the end, and like Sari said to him, none of those women are voting for you in the final.

SPEAKER_04 56:42

Again, Jonathan's doing great. I'm just sad to lose all my people.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

No, exactly. And again, I I think with the coach of it all, I am not rooting for him. Dang.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

Okay, I want to hear your D perspective now versus when you first came in. But I also have some other, I have some follow-up questions, so be prepared.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

Okay. My original notes on D were just, is this my Agents of Shield girly? If so, she wins huge points just for that. And she was. This is, as you mentioned, the look-alike of Miss Chloe Bennett. I'm a huge Agents of Shield fan. Please, if anybody wants me to do an Agents of Shield podcast, if one person likes my story, I'm constantly threatening to talk more about Agents of Shield. If anybody lets me. That being said, I was rooting for her from day one because of that. I saw that she was a past winner, and I think it makes sense that throughout the game the winners do have a different target on their back. I thought her gameplay overall was pretty good. And I think even re-hashing it this episode and looking at it with hindsight, it's really her betraying Rizzo's trust and talking about his idol to so many people that just gave her no leg to stand on or support to reach for when the heat started coming from Coach. Right. And so unfortunately, I do think that she's eliminated as a result of her own mistakes in the gameplay. That doesn't, I was not happy to see her go. I didn't want to see her go. And it is interesting as you as you talked about the threads of misogyny that are kind of weaving their way through this season.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

Oh, talk about a bar. Um yeah, totally. I I agree. I'm I'm kind of not I'm glad when they first revealed the cast, I was very annoyed that there were any winners. So it I'm a little relieved there are no winners left. Okay. Um so everyone else has you know Who were the winners?

SPEAKER_02 58:50

Kyle?

SPEAKER_04 58:51

Yes, so Kyle, who was Savannah, and you know, she she had just won the day.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

No, that's Angelina.

SPEAKER_04 59:00

That's Angelina. No, Savannah was on the same season as Rizzo, and so no one knew anything about her.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 59:07

She did claim her win, though. Yes. Um, and now we have D. So no more winners, which is kind of which is kind of nice. So I kind of like that whoever wins season 50 is going to be a first-time winner.

SPEAKER_02 59:18

First-time winner.

SPEAKER_04 59:18

Which brings me to my question, Lucas. Are you ready to make like a winner pick?

SPEAKER_02 59:24

I think I should be ready to make a winner. Like, I feel like I, yes. I'm looking through my my photos of the cast now.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

So who who's left? We have we have Siri. That would be very interesting. We have Devons, Jonathan, Rizzo, Chrissy. I mean, what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 59:42

Chrissy's my like dark horse. Okay. I said this last week that she's maybe the one I'm relating the most to, and she didn't do much this episode, but I like what you said about her maybe strategy with the shots in the dark. She's probably my dark horse. I don't know how that will work out. Christian and Devons is interesting because one or the other, I think, will eventually draw too much attention and maybe get loaded out. And Emily's playing such a wild game. Who knows? Who knows? She's, I don't think, unfortunately, going to win. I like Emily. I'd like her to win. Of each little group, Sari, I do think has a chance. I think, like you said, she's in a really good position in so many different ways. I don't think this is gonna equal a win. I really hope not. Um, Steph has a really strong advantage. The Steele vote is a huge advantage. I don't think it's a winner. Like, I that's not gonna make or break a winner, but um I Chrissy is like who I would like to win. Ceree is who I think is probably most likely to win. And Jonathan is playing a really good game.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

So he straddles the line a little bit, less so now, above those like younger players and then the old school. And so he could keep somebody like Coach in line for as long as Coach sticks around, at least on his side, without maybe burning as many bridges.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:18

Right. I I'll say great notes. My original winner pick was Tiffany. I think I I've said that since the beginning. Um, love her. I am being more endured to the idea of like an old school player winning. You know, Ceree for so long has been called the best to never win the game. Yes. So for like in season 50, for her to win would be awesome. But right now I'm honestly just cheering for like a woman to win. You know, I'm an Aussie girl, like, and my husband that is my husband's winner pick. I think that is a deranged, but um I don't think but like he isn't doing terribly. Like, I would not be surprised he's not if it was Aussie and Siree up there at the end. And that would be, but I I would have a hard time believing Ozzy ever beat Siree. Yeah. It'd be interesting to see if they like so we've talked a little bit about fire, right? Um, so when you're at final four, instead of you you get you do get an immunity necklace, but then you decide instead of just voting people out who which two people of the four left go to make fire. And the person who makes fire the slowest goes home.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

Yes, I do think you mentioned that when maybe they made fire with the glasses, and you were like, it always is something they all have to do, is make it fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:41

At some point, you have to make fire. Like you should not go on survivor if you don't know how to make fire, because that is often a million-dollar mistake. And so I can see a situation where Ozzy gets to the end and has to decide who's going to fire. And you might put in someone like Siri, even though they've been plant, you know, because that would be his million-dollar decision. Suri probably, I don't know if she can make fire. Um, but I would guess maybe not. And that would be the that would be when he would need to cut ties. But I mean, let's she still be choosing to vote for him or not, though, if she gets Yeah, but you at that point you kind of respect who you've worked for, usually. That's why the Maria thing was such a big deal. I'm trying to remember, did he put Maria at fire or did he yeah, I think he did. Oh, yeah, it's tricky. So we'll see. We'll see. But if if he did that, that's the only way I can see him winning. It would have to be like him and Sarah getting to the end, and he has to cut ties a fire, and so people would respect it. Because it's also like you should be able to make fire if you're in Survivor, you know? It's kind it feels it feels less like the person who put you there's fault, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gosh, it would be interesting to see if like all three of them Rizzo, Ozzy, and Sari make it to the It'd be interesting. And just how that played out.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:04

It would be interesting because that's very similar to how Rizzo's last seat. Like he had that tight three and the Trace Leches, and they went all the way to the end. So it would be very interesting to see if he could pull that off again. And then I'm gonna give Rizzo I I may call him the Riz God once. But I that was not that was not me calling him.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:25

That one doesn't count. No.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:27

Well, thank you so much for listening, listener. This was fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

Yes, I'm excited for next week.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:33

Me too.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

Catch you next time on Miss the Boot.