Missed the Boat: A Survivor First-Watch Podcast

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Missed the Boat: A Survivor First-Watch Podcast

Survivor 50 Episode 12 "Inconceivable"

May 17, 2026 • Lucas Graden, Murjanatu Mutuwa • Season 1 • Episode 12

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It's a double-duty special episode of Survivor this week! Lucas is close to the end of his first-ever season of the show, and his bestie Murjanatu is here to guide him through the penultimate episode.

We talk about Rizo's gameplay (and diet, and confessionals, and more), Devens' stargazing, and Cirie's masterful gameplay. It's a big one, and we're gearing up for the explosive live finale!

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to Missed the Boat, a Survivor First Watch podcast.

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Well, it's your first time. I'm a lifelong fan. I'm Rajana too, one of your co-hosts and your resident super fan of Survivor.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

And I'm Lucas, and I've never seen Survivor before. You could say I missed the boat on one of the most iconic reality TV competitions of all time.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Each week I will guide my best friend here through Survivor as we react to season 50 together. And now we're almost done.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

Season 50, episode 12, Inconceivable. Mirjana 2. Can you spell Inconceivable?

SPEAKER_00 0:38

I will cannot. I when I was watching this, I was like, I probably could have figured it out. But I was like trying to do it on a napkin and then on both sides, no way.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

And it seems they, I feel, chose the word specifically because there are so many I's and E's in so many places that you could spell it right on one side and it would be wrong on the other.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

And typically there are a lot of these words are survivor-relevant words. This is like Princess Bride. I'm like, uh, did Mike White do something there? I was like trying to figure out the connection.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Big Rob Reiner fans. Like, I yeah, which is No, that would have been before he passed. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Random.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Very random. I think this was prophecy because they knew the person getting voted out this week. It would be inconceivable that they were alive.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Oh I know. This was a rough one.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

We had to take a couple extra days. We had to like sit with it in mourning.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Exactly. I think I was a little bit in denial with the Aussie because I saw this happening. Like I was just so annoyed. And you know, speaking, like that's kind of where we we start the episode. Yeah. If you just want to dive right in. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. He's like, everyone, Rizzo explains, like, sir, we had to get rid of Ozzy to Seree. And he he knows he might be in trouble, but he's like, listen, Ozzy was being crazy. He told everyone his plan. Yeah. He told everyone about the extra vote. And I just had to be, I had to do something about it.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

And to see Sari's reaction when Rizzo tells her this and kind of fills her in on what she missed. She is pissed. She's like, I wrote this down and I just kept writing because it was iconic. She says, I thought you had two brain cells to rub together, or I wouldn't have been working with you. I would not have tied my cart doing idiot. What did you do that for? Like, she is not happy. And honestly, I think Suri was maybe on your side of like she was giving Ozzy a little bit more credit than I was giving him, but he not only blew up his game, but yeah, he blew up hers as well.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

And I think I was glad to see Suri is just the best and that she's understanding towards Rizzo. Yes. Because I think a more juvenile player would find a reason to be upset with him.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

Joe vanile player.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Fair. Yeah, and Ozzy himself would have been upset about this. But it was like this is where I do see when you're like she understands the game. She understands the game, and she understands especially this was not a blind, this was a blind side, but it was not a blind side for no reason. This was very calculated, and he had a an actual reason why. And I was I was like, Yeah, I get it, but I'm really upset about it.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

It is it's a shame. And again, I think we said this last week, it's a shame, even more so for Sari than I I feel way worse for Siri than I feel for Ozzie.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

No, I agree. Like, it because because she she is just a victim of Ozzie's Yeah. Yeah. I don't even I'm trying to think of a nice way to say that. I know, I know.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

Just lack of lack of foresight, lack of social awareness.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

I It's just there's no reason to do what he did. Like, if like he said, I mean his irrationale was like telling Aubrey the story of his game for jury votes. Like, I just am like, that's not gonna make someone vote for you.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

They say that in this episode too. They're like, wow, jury management 2.0. Like he was really But my understanding, and I haven't even seen a full season of Survivor, is like this is not the time to be doing jury management.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

No, well, no one's gonna vote for you because you didn't treat them like they were still in the game when they were. Exactly. If Aubrey went home, why would she vote for Ozzie? That was really condescending. Yes. Ozzie, Ozzy, Ozzy. And we talked about it, we got through it, but it's just it's really hard to see how that splinters. But it is crazy on this episode, like the or the first half of the episode, Curi's name still actually isn't out there. No, to be fair.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

And I I was thinking as well about the reaction to and the fallout from group one, where Emily went home, and Devins comes back and he's like, You guys are pretty good at surviving.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

It's a good move.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Tiff says sneaky sneaky because Devons was in on Emily's plan to try and get Sari out. But because of that, like it does not stick to Sari. The it's Devins who takes the heat. He I think he's being genuine, but like I also wanted Devins to try and pivot the heat a little bit more to Jonathan in this moment because he congratulates Jonathan on like his big game hunting. And I'm like, why is nobody looking at what Jonathan is doing throughout this whole game? Like he's just it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Jonathan Jonathan takes credit, right? Like for this move, Devons is like, good move is that you and he's like, No, I'm being serious. Um, and I'm like, this is interesting. I think Jonathan thinks it was his move, but Aubrey's the one who got the pieces together, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

And I think it's good for Aubrey. Like, I think she can do feel a little upset that Jonathan is taking the credit, but again, I'm like, put use this to put heat on Jonathan. Let him take the credit for it, right? And then vote him out for his like underhand. Get Joe to realize how underhanded his best friend in the game is. Right, right. Mr. Integrity. So, yeah, I would have liked to see Aubrey use this against him because Cari, this whole game, has been like planting ideas in other people's heads. Those people get somebody out and then they take the heat for it.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Right.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

For whatever reason, Jonathan does get to like take credit for a lot of these eliminations, but nobody's paying him any attention.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

I know, I guess. Do people just think there's no way Jonathan wins? Which isn't it feels like both Jonathan and Joe are like understood to be final three, which is that's why and everyone feels like they're fighting for that third that's it just the in the and uh no one's saying that out loud, but just in the way that they don't seem to face consequences and haven't been seen as the you know as a target any episodes.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Yeah, since I feel like D's confrontation with Jonathan, like he has not really had any heat against him since. Like he gaslit Dee and like called her a liar and untrustworthy. He's been lying this whole game and just getting away with it.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Frustrating. I don't know that everybody sees them as guaranteed final three, but I do think there's a lot more conversation this episode about who am I gonna be in the final with, who would vote for me, who can I beat in that final vote. And while people don't really seem to be like gunning to bring Joe or Jonathan with them, they're also not looking at Joe and Jonathan as threats.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

If they did make it there alongside them. So it is it's interesting, it really feels like they're making those moves. It was weird watching like a final six and being like, wow, there are so few people left.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

I know it it goes, especially if you started with so many players. It is wild to see how quickly, especially with those idols in the pocket. I mean, it's so interesting, and I think this kind of brings us to like the other conversation is happening. Like, Tiffany's like, we need to get Rizzo, otherwise, he he's in the end. He has this idol. If we don't make him play it this time, he will play it next time, and then he's in the final five. This is interesting, and I think I told you this a little bit. Tiffany comes from a season where almost everyone went home with an idol in their pocket.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

It was like an absurd amount.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Maybe five people in a row uh went home with an idol. Like people would find it and then go home that night. Like it was just like so. She's like, we need she's like sees the I think she just cannot believe people don't care and want to move on this idol. But as you said, everyone's trying to decide who should be in the final. And a lot of people are like, I'd rather have Rizzo in the final with me than anyone else.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Yes. And I think because nobody really knows him, he's the X factor or unknown quantity in this group, they don't see him as a threat to win.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Yeah. I think that, and he's just young. And like it's I think I think he's unknown, but I mean they know they know him enough now, they've played with him for so long. But to me, I think it's more Aubrey says it's like these old whippersnappers are not gonna want to give, or is it whippersnapper an old person or a young person? I think it's a young person. Okay, these old folks don't want to give it to a young whippersnapper, yes, you know, and so and I and I think that's probably a little bit true.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

Yeah, I I get that sense. And some I think it's Aubrey as well who's like, he's really annoying. Like nobody, like nobody's gonna want to vote for him because they like Colby and Coach like really found him so annoying at the beginning. I do think Colby turns around on Rizzo as the game goes on, but I think that she understands that like Rizzo's pretty annoying. So if I keep him to the final.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

That's interesting. Is actually I was thinking he has been so much more calm and so much less annoying as of late that I have begun to think like, and he has the most self-awareness, not maybe not self-awareness, but game awareness. And anyone there that I'm like, I just I don't think anyone's gonna vote for Rizzo, but I just don't know if I can diagnose why yet. There's a couple of reasons because there's so many.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Yeah. The next day, and speaking of idols, Devons knows that the target is on his back and he thinks the only way he stays another night is to find another idol. He's up crack of dawn, we're still in night vision, idol hunting. How many idols are there always more idols to be found? Like, is there is this something that we know as the audience?

SPEAKER_00 10:53

Like, yeah, so no, not always. It is like there is the we it is unconfirmed, but typically when there is an idol in the game that is played or burned or what like is no longer in the game, there is an idol the next day if it is a traditional idol. Now we haven't had traditional idols this season. Right, right. The closest one is the one that Devons used. And so that is but there are times that doesn't happen. It does like, I think the producers decide up until how many days they're willing to put one in, but a lot of times that next day, like while they're at Tribal Fitzplay, they're they're hiding it.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

That's so interesting because I would have imagined there's like a set number that are there before the players get to the island. I did not picture the production like running around in the middle of the night, like after Tribal putting in. I guess maybe are they waiting and they hear what happened at Tribal and while the contestants are on the boat back, I think so. They must have to set because I'm like, are they trying not to wake anybody up as they're like hiding idols?

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Yeah, I think that the midnight that's what I think that's like it's radio radioed in, which take a second. Um, and that's why I was saying, like, with Tiffany's season, it was like people found the idol, went home, found the area.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

And then they found okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

Yeah, it was it happened so many times. It was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

I did love Jonathan following him, being like, why are we just letting him look for an idol? Devon says, I lost a contact, and Jonathan is just standing two feet away from him, watching blocking my view, like he's blocking the sun, I can't see.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Because Devon is like famous for being able to find idols, so it's like a it you have to babysit him. It's just so it's hard to watch, it is hard to be a part of when someone is getting babysat looking for an idol.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Yeah, what are you doing? You're just standing over him watching. It is so awkward.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

I know because you think at least try yourself, but I think Jonathan, again, he feels so comfortable. Yeah, and he doesn't feel the need to look. Like that is what I would rather be doing if we're openly looking for idols. Let's all look. But when you get babysat, all you do is like ensure that person does or does not get the idols that you can make I don't know, defensive decisions after that.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Yeah, and if Devons finds it, you've just watched him find it. Exactly. He'll play it either way. Yeah, it's a weird situation, but they don't find it, so no, and so he goes, well, he's in the hammock and he's talking to Joe. And I really enjoyed this from Devin's a Joe because Joe has been on him from the beginning. And I wondered if Devin's crying in this moment would endear Joe to him a little bit more, but he talks about just like this pressure to constantly be the positive guy, and this is his brand, and this is what he's known for, and he's running out of energy, but he doesn't want to admit defeat, and this was very touching.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

Yeah, I agree. I think Devons is a very warm person because we saw Ozzy come to him, you know, yeah. And they weren't on like the best of pages. I think Devins just has like an openness to him that people want like want to talk to him, but he also wants to talk to them. And so it was nice that Joe and Devons, you know, kind of have this final conversation where they seem a little bit more on the same page than they have been all season long.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Exactly. And it doesn't change Joe's mind, it doesn't guilt him into not right going for Devons, but it at least shows him a new side of the channel. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

We then go to the immunity challenge. We have this really nice moment between Devons and Joe.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

And then we go to immunity. I was grimacing the whole like I was watching this with through my hands, through my fingers. Like, I don't know why. It's not a like physical endurance challenge. Like, it doesn't look like torture, but it just looks so difficult that I You were like, I don't want to do this. No, again, I was like, okay, I've reached another boundary where See, that's one this is one I think I could maybe do.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Um I don't I don't know. I just because it's not like physical, physical, where they're like stacking the blocks.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

Yeah, they have to hold patients.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

If I did not, if I got far and it fell would be really hard for me. That's what I mean. There were a lot of images though, interestingly enough. Aubrey has played this three different times. There's like a lot of pictures of her interesting having the block in her mouth. I'm going, I don't know if she's ever won it before, but I was like, oh, interesting. I mean, yeah, Joe had done it before. I think actually that Joe did both challenges in this episode previously. And I was like, enough with the Joe. Enough with the you know, but anyway, so we yes, we see people have to spell immunity one like one block at a time and try to carefully keep this level by holding a slack rope. I mean, it's a lot of things to keep track of.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

There's something about the fact that the rope was also slack, and it just and the way that the table was being balanced looked so difficult. And you don't want it to fall forward, but what most people did is as they were trying to pull it level, I felt if you go just a little bit too far, it tips back, and they'd get so close, it would be between, I think, Tiff and Aubrey at one point. They're like down to one letter each, and then they both drop at the same time, and they just kept going. There was a moment right before Joe does win. Siri has two letters left, and she has them in a wrong order, and she grabs the I to take down, but there's still an M sitting on her table. That was like ah, and I was almost happy for her that she dropped because I was like, girl.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

No, I felt the exact same way. I was like, that's wrong. That's wrong. I was like yelling at the TV. Because this is also when I think Suri could win, right? Like she could the very few, and I do think like we'll get there. That's her kryptonite in this game. Like the fact that she has to rely on social skills a hundred percent of the time is just I think very challenging for her. But anyway, she she drops, and of course, freaking Joe wins.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Yep, slow and steady. Tortoise and the head.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Did she even drop one time?

SPEAKER_02 17:20

I don't think so. That is amazing, and that's what Jeff kept saying, like, you can try to rush, but you'll mess up. Whereas Joe has just stayed at a consistent slow pace and they feel like they're going slow.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Like it doesn't feel like they're going fast. I agree. But he's like, you gotta go even slower. And I'm like, how do you even do that?

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Ugh. When Joe won, he got to pick two other people to go to sanctuary with him and enjoy the reward. He picks Sari and Rizzo.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

And I thought, okay, is this gonna be the Sari's wizard of Joe? Like, are we I thought we might get a new little core three alliance. I almost wish they had it's a gamble, and I don't think Sari knew how much at risk, and she's not really at risk yet. But almost for them to like bring Joe in now that they've lost Ozzy, I think he's a good pick to bring to the final.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

We just never really got a conclusion on this. Like, I agree. I was like, okay, yeah, I thought hope was lost with with Ozzie. Maybe Joe can just step and replace. But we don't really see like why it doesn't work because we hear Joe say, like, I think this would be a good three for me. But it kind of fizzles out.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Yeah, which is a shame because I think that could have kept Sari in, and I think that with Rizzo and Joe, she would easily win. The ribs looked so good.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Okay, yeah. I had I had just eaten a lot of ribs, and I was like, don't do it. Like, I was like feeling so full. They did look good, and the ribs I had were good. I had overeaten, and I was like, guys, it's not comfortable from the other side of the situation.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Well, and Rizzo getting taken on this reward sparks all of this conversation back at camp about They're counting calories. Yes, about the fact that like at the auction he won these two big chicken breasts and didn't finish his food. And everyone's upset at him for it, but I do think to your point, like overeating, especially when you are starving this whole time, is not good for you on the back end. Like you he's probably, and the more Rizzo confessionals we got, I was like, okay, I don't like him again. Like, I I'm not Rizzo's biggest fan, but him not finishing those two chicken probably actually like helped his stomach more than if he had engorged himself.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

And he's looking rough. Like he I think he he is bones at this point. I didn't think I we got a shot of shirtless Rizzo, and I was like, oh, he's got abs. But he like he is not a guy who had abs before, you know what I mean? Like, yes, he did, he does, and but his face, it I mean, it is a skeleton, especially when I mean you didn't see him at his at the beginning of 49. Yeah, like I think I told you, I'm like, yeah, like Rizzo had Rizzo at the very beginning had a dump truck. Like he looked, and I would always just like that is so funny. Like, I didn't know what Albanian people men, or is it just a Rizzo thing? I have no idea. And now he is just so long, and so he does have those ads, but like in general, like I feel like his face that's interesting doesn't look anything like he used to.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

And I don't feel like I've noticed that, but to your point, I didn't see him at the beginning of 49. I got him at like the midpoint. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

So to me, his jawline, I'm just like, I just want to be, but I I agree when you are that starving, like you shouldn't do that. I wonder if he was allowed to share and didn't, or like why is it?

SPEAKER_02 20:55

They weren't. They weren't Jeff does say at the beginning of the auction only food items that are made to be shared can be shared. Okay. I wondered, like, they are really tracking and policing what everybody got at the auction, what they ate, how much they ate.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Does this normally happen with I didn't expect the auction to kind of come back as a I don't know if from the auction specifically, but I do think yes, like because I think the point is people like to blame how much someone has or hasn't eaten on why they're bringing them on reward, but it's almost always strategic. So the so it's more that they he got caught in a strategy that didn't make sense. He's like, Rizzo hasn't been on a single reward. Maybe that's true, but he did eat a lot more than he was at auction. I think that's more the point. But then I also saw that there was some unaired footage of Ozzy. He got like a dozen cupcakes, and he could either eat them all or share them all, and he shared them all. So everyone got a cupcake and unaired footage that they just nope, that didn't conveniently come up, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:58

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Like Jonathan's. I only had a sea slug. I'm like, okay, well, a second one.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

And Ozzy's cupcake.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Like Ozzy's cupcake and a charcuterie board. Like he said, a couple veggies, but I'm like, a couple crackers. But I'm like, all right, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Anyhow. Jonathan is licking the dry rice and thinks that that's okay because it's gonna get boiled.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Like, what Jonathan lost any ounce, I would any ounce I had for Jonathan was like gone.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

I was like wild. Dude, just wait a second.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

It's it's kind of rice-gate all over again.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

The rice is hard. And you know, there are a lot of people out there who like the rice to be added from the beginning because it does bring a lot of these moments that are like interesting and like cause like them being starving doesn't. So like I that is one of the things that I don't like understand, like the in the hands of the fans. The fans voted No rice. No rice. I just don't actually believe that. I think most of us like the the like there's it's just so much more interesting to have rice than not. Like, you don't also where are the chickens?

SPEAKER_02 23:05

What happened to the chickens? That's such a good point. This season, I do think needed to be a couple more episodes. Like, and I was scrolling through, I've been asking this question a little bit the last few weeks, and they are typically seasons of like 12, 13, 14 episodes. So this is a pretty standard, it looks like, length of a season. But with these extra players, there's too many extra players. It's season 50. You definitely could have gotten away with a couple extra.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Well, what they've done is they've lengthened the episodes rather than But randomly.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Like some episodes are 90 minutes, so I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

Yeah, but I still feel like I I don't know. Yeah, we needed more episodes rather than longer episodes. I think that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Yes, and with that, what happened to the chickens? I I want to know who killed them, like who did they eat them?

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Did they escape? We have no idea. Eat the eggs, yeah. What hmm? What happened to the chickens? Okay, that's all.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

I just wanted to because it's like, you know, I think we mentioned that the first I remember when that was a reward and I was aghast that they were getting live chickens as well.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

When I think the next episode was like, whatever happened? And then we never have seen them ever since. So anyway, anyway. Uh we're kind of talking at camp about who should go home.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Tiv, like we said earlier, is here to get Rizzo out. She's sick of it. I think she also wants to protect Cere. The other option though is Devon's. It seems pretty obvious that like he was the original.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

Yes, I like her idea of using Devon's smoke screen, letting him think he's the target, but actually Rizzo is who we're going for. Jonathan and Tiff, this is where I was like, I feel like their chemistry is back. I I feel like I saw what you were talking about. She brings up Rizzo as an option, and Jonathan just kind of locks in, and I was like, oh, I can't.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Okay, I am glad because I felt a little embarrassed putting that into the universe last week, but I was like, I do kind of.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

No, I kind of saw it this week.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

I okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

It's funny because like I like Tiffany so much, and I don't like, but I like she could save Jonathan for I think all of us. She can fix it. She can fix it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

We have a moment, this is so random, but Sari, I think, is going to join Jonathan on the hammock. And it just falls.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

That was mean. Why did they put that on there?

SPEAKER_02 25:39

I will say, Jonathan is immediately very like caring and attentive, and like, are you okay? Like, he keeps checking in with Suri. But like, what was that? Who hangs these hammocks? Production? Like I do think it's them. The cats. Because they win them. Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

So I think they put it there.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

So they set it up.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

You know, I mean it's been up there for a long time through storm. Like, I don't think it's actually that embarrassing they fell, but like I just no, I don't think I was Serene and I've given my good my golden years to Survivor. I would kill them for putting that in there.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

I did not take it at all as like a it couldn't withstand the load. It was definitely just like branch snapped or something.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Like see, like, and this this is the Jonathan I love. Like he immediately checks in, and I do think that is his nature.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

100%.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

I do, and I do think when he's being like was being manipulated towards D, that is the act. And I think he actually is a kind guy.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

I think that's true. He's playing the game.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Exactly. And so that's where I always like do have a little bit of defense on Jonathan. Because I do, I think I'd really like him as a I drive a lot of Jonathan-esque men in my life. Yeah. So I think I'm like, I'm uh I I don't know if I love a himbo, what can I say? And he's not even a himbo for real, but anyway, go ahead. Where are we?

SPEAKER_02 26:56

We just have the the interlude of the breaking hammock, but like you said, Tiff wants to protect Sari, but when she brings Rizzo as an option to Sari, like that scared me. Of course, she's not a fan of the plan. She's already lost one of her number ones. She doesn't want to lose Rizzo as well. Luckily, she doesn't immediately, immediately throw it back on Tiff. But it does bring Tiff is making a lot of noise, and people are starting to realize, especially Aubrey will get there, is like, hmm. Tiff might be a threat. But I do think if they had just brought it back to what they had done last week, I thought this was gonna happen. With the idea to flush the idols.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

I don't I thought Sari was gonna, during tribal, use her code word. I thought we were gonna learn what the code word was to tell Rizzo to play his idol so that she kind of gets the best of both worlds.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Are the code words I I I'm starting to wonder if the code words weren't real. Like if the code if that was like a joke she said to Tiffany, and because the lack of it coming up, other than the fact that they acknowledged it, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 28:01

At the very least, she could have told Rizzo to play his idol. Like he would have listened to her. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

I don't either.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

To to tell Rizzo, like, hey, I think this is a smokescreen. I think people might be coming for you.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

You'd just be safer to play your like but I guess it's that game awareness thing. Like she could, we thought she could have told Ozzie that and Ozzie would play it. But Rizzo is tuned in enough. I mean, he knew the Tiffany plan and Siri didn't. It'd be really weird for Siri to then turn around and say, like, Rizzo, you're like, I I think it's a more of a like she knew she couldn't convince him. I'm I I guess that's the only thing I can assume.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Well, we go to council.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

This is where a lot of the oh it came suddenly that just tribal was like 20 minutes in.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

We're in tribal. This is where the auction comes up, and Aubrey literally calls it comical. Like, why is it why is this what we're talking about? I love how candid Devons is. He is just so he has no cares left to give of like, yep, I'm raising my hand, I'm the target, I know. And I liked Aubrey's metaphor. She talks about like eliminating people is like disarming a bomb. And you have to go in the right order, or it will so suddenly blow up in your face, kind of like peeling back the different layers. This is where I felt you've talked before about like, oh, I think when Colby went out, if we know somebody's going home, we try to give them the chance to like butter them up. And I feel like Jeff really does give Devons the space to like talk about his time on the show. He talks about seeing the stars and just a really beautiful swan song and exit from Devons. And I was like, okay, now I see why we're like giving him the chance to say goodbye.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Yeah, it's really I thought, I mean, it was so sweet. I think Devons has done such a good job narrating the last few episodes since like, especially Christian left. I think there's more air time. Like from the letter from his wife, his conversation about fatherhood to Ozzy and this star conversation. I am just like, ah, Devons, you're winning me over. He didn't, he never I never was like against Devons, but I love seeing this like tender side of him.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

I literally wrote, I am getting more and more endeared to him the more that he cries. Like, yeah, which of course I love a man crying, but he really is just showing a very vulnerable side to what is a very like big and loud and brash kind of gregarious exterior. And this was really touching.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Yeah, he says he feels closer to heaven when he's PG. I loved that. Well, Devon's is out unanimously. Everyone votes for him.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

He plays his shot in the dark. If there was and I thought if this was ever, if there was ever a player who was gonna hit the shot in the dark, it feels like it would be hit by him. Right. This is a moment where I guess he kind of got that with the Mr. Beast twist of it all. But Aubrey wrote a shooting star.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

I kinda I loved that. I kind of wish more people did. I thought, like, I mean, I'm sure they didn't think of it, but I was like, that was really precious. And yeah, and he he goes out, he knew he was going out. And this is like what I kind of said too. I wanted for Ozzy. Like when I was like, I'm like, I I hate that I'm cringing at his exit versus and it's because he was blind, like he made the choice. Exactly. He that that is what happened, but I still do wish because I think it probably was his last time. Like it just it makes me sad he doesn't get that.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

But this was very graceful. Yeah, they are all sending him off with tears in their eyes. Like, there's a lot of love for him in what's happening, and yeah, it was a beautiful exit. I we will get there. I felt similarly about Sarie's elimination, where I was like, they really are two very like touching eliminations, and you're like, wow, well done on your gameplay. Like we're sad to see you go. Whereas Ozzy's was a much more like painful to watch. Yes, yeah. Because it was a blind side in a in a different way. But um, no, I I really liked Devin's really grew on me in the second half of this season. Devons, let me see my first impression of him, he with just a press photo.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

Oh wow, what is a thing.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

I just wrote down accountant looking ass.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Interesting!

SPEAKER_02 32:34

He's in like a shirt and tie with a sweater over top.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

It is funny because he is so newscaster, such a part of his persona, a little less this season than the first season. Like, he did a lot of um, like uh, he did the newscasting. I can't remember his exact like tune, but like b-da ba ba ba d he's he did that on his exit. But he used to do it like often in a lot of his confessionals. But you're but now that I'm thinking about he doesn't look like a newscaster. No, no, he doesn't have that like charm handsome, like he is charming, but in a different way.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

He's more of like class clown vibes than like on TV that you would think of.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

But um so accounting, I'm like laughing, but I'm like, he doesn't not look like an accountant.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

That is funny, and he doesn't have that personality at all, but that's where he came up for me. That's so funny, but yeah, this is like two episodes in one. We're halfway through, and we're seeing the next day in the fallout from tribal.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

I know, I'm like I surprised myself that I'm like, oh yeah, we still have another episode. Let's let's go. This is where I noticed, I was like, oh, Riza's like skinny fit. Like girl, we're not promote.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

I know I was gonna say we're on different pages here.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

He's getting it not fit. That is where he's at, but yeah, you know, he to and Tiffany has posted about it.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Yeah, but he's still target number one for her.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

Yeah, it's so funny. No one else cares, and no one else is like it's interesting that no one's letting her know that we just don't really care about the idol. We just want, we don't care if he goes to the end. I think she does have a little bit of that old school dog in her where she wants to be with the best at the end. And I think Aubrey's big hurt is that she let the best be at the end with her, and she lost. She brings up Karong a lot in the next 30, 45 minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Yeah. And she talks about what was her name, Michelle. She's like, it's Tiff Michelle 2.0, like if I bring her to the end, which I kind of disagree with Aubrey here.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

I know Tiff is your winner pick. With a limited understanding of how the final three works, and they're all talking about like the jury. I don't feel like Tiff has a lot on her resume from this season to make an argument to win. Like, she seems to me like the kind of person you would want on your final three because I think she could really easily be overlooked.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

I think it depends. I think it's a little, I guess with Michelle, you know, I I'm trying to remember exactly what Michelle did. But I think it's I felt like it was more that Aubrey had blood on her hands than Michelle more blood on her hands than Michelle maybe did. Michelle made moves, but they didn't hurt people. And Aubrey just is coming off of like Ozzy being very upset at her at leaving. And so it might be more of a well, if you don't have a bitter jury, you know, they might want a Tiffany who maybe didn't make many game moves but didn't hurt anyone's feelings. And like she said, she says she's like the underdog golden girl, you know, and so she's like, then maybe Tiffany gets votes because no one's upset with her. I'm trying I don't know if that's exactly what she means because I would I can't really remember off the top of my head what happened with Michelle. But I do know Aubrey did have more blood on her hands and has in the past, so maybe that's what she's thinking.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Yeah, I guess I just that that does make sense if she's worried that people like Tiff more than me or she hasn't upset as many feelings as I have, but I just don't first of all, Jonathan took credit for the Aussie blind side, so like pin that on Jonathan in the final. But I just don't see honestly on I don't see Tiff as a winner pick to me. Like just from her gameplay, from what I'm seeing, people are talking about as like resume building things. She's been in quite a few different alliances. She has, I think, done a good job of like jumping from Camilla and D, and then jumping off of that. And really with Sari as her kind of number one, it's like Sari is her best friend, she's Sari's good friend. But she's done a like good job, if anything, of staying on under the radar, but Jonathan is staying under the radar as a threat, and he's orchestrating a lot of eliminations.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

It's interesting, yeah. Jonathan, he's just in a good position, like he's in a similar t position, has almost a re where like no one's even talking about him, and I'm like, why not though? Like, why I understand why we're not talking about Joe. You know, I understand why we're not always talking about Rizzo, but I'm like, Jonathan though deserves you know, he's got a final ticket to the end if we don't be careful.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

Jonathan tells Rizzo the Tiff plan and says, don't tell Suri.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Or created perfect. This is beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

And I love that Rizzo immediately runs to tell Siri. But is very clear, and this to me seems like good gameplay. Is very clear, you don't know this. You're not supposed to know this, but of course you're my number one. So he's like building trust with Suri, she's in the loop. And yeah, this is what he should have done.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

And this is what this is what he should have done, but this is also why like Suri is the best social player of all time. What she does with this later is what she does with this later is amazing, but also the fact that like she Rizzo, it's even on his mind, maybe it's the time to get Suri out, and he still tells Suri People like people feel the need to tell Suri everything, and it's it's amazing, even when it's there's not a lot of reason for Rizzo to tell Suri about that. There because if and and her qu her first question is a good one. What happens if Tiffany wins immunity? Yes, and Rizzo's like, oh, we'll worry about that later. Like, he's not sure, but if he had thought through that, he might have not told Suri in the first time.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

So that's what I'm just saying. Like, he obviously what Suri does with this is masterful, but even like I'm like, she's just so connected. Ugh, I love her.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

She's just so good. And we go to immunity, and this I had the opposite reaction. I was like, I think I would like this challenge. It looked like playing on like a jungle gym at school.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

Like I hate the obstacles. I feel like when you see how hard it goes, the C saw goes down. I'm like, why is it like that?

SPEAKER_02 39:06

And it was poor Siri the way she was like, oh god.

unknown 39:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Don't invite 54-year-old players to come and then like not look out for their little remote density.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

I do wonder, and this is part of just like the setup of Survivor, where it is inherently like an exclusive game to your physical ability.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

And it's not a purely social game in the way that and Traders has challenges that are physical, but like not at all to this extent. And usually you can like opt in or out.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

It's more all or nothing. Like it's not usually your dependency on this game is about your physical challenges. Of course, there's shields, but like it's it's much more rare, you know.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

It it is a it is more open, I feel like, to people of various levels of physical ability, whereas there is something inherent to the structure of Survivor that is just for like very like exceptionally able-bodied people. Right. Like, because yeah, Sari is perfectly like physically capable, but these are tough challenges.

SPEAKER_00 40:18

Well, and then you see how I think it was nice to see Jeff compete a couple weeks ago. Yes. Because it's like that is a well-fed, fit man.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

And he cannot do it at the same level these other folks can. It's in that gives you a better understanding of how tough these challenges are.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

Yeah. Yeah. So I I have like questions about that and like what would Survivor look like if it was just a social game. But it's not.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Like that's it's just not, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and she has they call her the best to never win survivor, and she has one traders.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

It's an interesting and like you said, she is reliant a hundred percent on her social and that just like uh because they actually used to have some more challenges that weren't so physical.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Um they'd have much more intensely fit like you were wrestling and fighting people, and then they would have like just a puzzle, you know. Um, and so like part of me does wonder. I'm like, uh, if she if she had like a chance, it just stinks that she like never in her calculation can lean on, well, maybe I'll get the immunity necklace, you know? Yeah, the only immunity necklace she ever held was when she convinced a guy to give it away. It wasn't actually her who got it, but you know, it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

Anyway, I love though how much Jeff loves Suri. There's a moment where he's like, everyone's working on their handle except Suri. And he's like, that's how you do it, Suri. Like he's still cheering her on, even as she's in last place. I know. And I feel like everybody else, he's like, I've never seen gameplay this bad. And then he's like, You're doing great, Suri.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Wait, let me look up how old they are. Like, how old is Jeff Rogue? I'm curious if they're peers.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

I'm gonna guess he is 59, and she is 54.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

I think she said she's 54, so he is 64.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

So they're Ooh, okay, so he's 10 years older.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

He's 10 years older than her. Wow. He looks good. He does look really good.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

I my original thought was 62, and then I was like, he looks good for 65 years old.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

Oh, she 64. He's almost at retirement next year. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

I mean, I'm sure he won't, but 65 is the if yeah, if he was going to, he would have made a bigger deal about Survivor 50 being like the final season. I think he wants to do it until he can't. Why would you go out at 51? You know, like such a good point. So we have at least until Survivor 60.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

It would actually be kind of fun if they did like a Jeff's favorite season. Like if his last season he just got to do like all his favorite people and like because we always we blame him for a lot, but I don't really know how many decisions are actually his. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 43:01

It would be interesting to see if he actually had the chance to just like his wish list of who would actually be on it.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Exactly, and what like challenges and stuff they would do. Um, okay, yeah. So the obstacle obstacle course and a puzzle. It's so interesting. Tiffany does not clock this, but it is everyone against Tiffany.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Yes, they are all helping each other, and Jeff keeps calling it out. Jeff hates it. He's like, they don't know that this is an individual challenge.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

I hate it too, by the way. But it was amazing. Tiffany not being in on the conversation, still figures it out and gets it done before everyone else. And I only say she doesn't clock it because she seems surprised later that she was the original vote. But like, I think she was just so tuned into her actual puzzle.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

And Aubrey immediately regrets that. She's like, I should have just focused on mine. Why was I helping? Yeah. Why were you, Aubrey? I I could never understand.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

No, and I think that because Tiff also isn't doing that great on the obstacle course, like, she keeps falling on the balance piece. So I think Aubrey probably similarly was behind Joe and Jonathan, who beat the obstacle course first. And it's like, I'm just gonna try and help them finish the puzzle. But she, once she's at the puzzle stage, definitely could have beat these two men who cannot spell inconceivable. And honestly, this was amazing TV. I was like, you said earlier Jonathan may not be a himbo, but this was distractive over here.

SPEAKER_00 44:27

I think it was, unfortunately. Like, I want to give them a little bit of credit. Just that the blocks were not the same on both sides. So we saw.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:37

So they just forgot to check the other side.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

And I understand that what we are seeing on our side is not what they think the word inconceivable looks like. But they say inconceivable really early on as they're trying to figure out the word, and then neither of them know how to spell it. Like they explicitly say, Do you know how to spell inconceivable? And they're like, no. And then Rizzo gets there and they're like, Rizzo, do you know how to spell inconceivable?

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Rizzo cooked. He's cooked. The funny part, so me and Joe have anything, we both have dyslexia. So um I give him that, but the so I always, you know, have a little bit of a heart for that. But he famously last year thought he solved a puzzle and it said got fun betroy. B-E-T-R-A-L-E. I don't know why. And that was got fun betroule. That's what I need joke in its well. I didn't know about John and then. Yeah, I I would be like, uh, I don't know. And this is different. It would be hard for me. I would not be able to.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

I think, and I don't know if this is what Tiff did. I would have to rewatch. For all those survivor players out there who are listening to my advice on how to play Survivor, I feel like you need to spell it on the table first, check it on the back, and then build it. Like it's and as Jeff says, and as we see with Jonathan, once you have to try and swap out one block, the whole thing is gonna fall apart. So I really this was great TV.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Yeah, it was so funny and good for Tiff for Yes, because I I was so happy when she got that fake one a couple weeks ago and they took it away. So I was happy she got a good, fair and square, very fair and square, because she was like one of the only ones who wasn't working together.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

Um, when like I said, she may not have known that she was the target, but if there was ever an immunity challenge she needed to win, it was this one.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

Like, holy cow. Well, back at camp, Aubrey's like, Well, it's time for Suri to go. Yeah, no one wants to say it. And even Rizzo, like Aubrey goes to Rizzo, tells her about it, and he's like, Oh, like he's like, Well, he's also like she's the mafia. Like, we can't let her know. Nope.

SPEAKER_02 46:47

As soon as you say her name, it is lights out for you. And he is honest, I think, when he tells Aubrey, like, yeah, she is a threat. Like, he knows he doesn't want to. And this is where I said, actually, I was a little bit surprised, he is not as dumb as I kind of thought he was in playing with Siri all season. He says, if I'm at the end with Siri, she's clean sweeping the jury.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

I think I think maybe even Ian said, like, oh, Sari thinks Rizzo is a big enough super fan that he'll bring her to the end. But he hasn't actually known the whole time, which I didn't expect, that like if he brings her to the end, he's losing.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

I know, I I I yeah, I agree. I don't know how what I thought, because like I said earlier, I have noticed his game awareness is he is very good at that. So I guess he I guess I thought he knew, but I it was really interesting to watch. Yeah. I really I thought, oh, I just was heartbroken for Siri. Because like, where do you go?

SPEAKER_02 47:48

And she knew from the time Rizzo told her the plan. And she asked, what if Tiff wins immunity? She knows that she's the next logical target. She and Tiff are chatting, and I do kind of love, I'm like, okay, this is becoming an Aubrey Siri showdown.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

I love it. We have to stop meeting like this. Yes!

SPEAKER_02 48:09

She says, Jonathan is easily, I don't want to say manipulated, but she tells Jonathan that she knew the TIFF plan the whole time because Aubrey told her.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

So and she doesn't, she lays it out in such a great way. She's like, You have a rat at your camp. So whose wheels are spinning? What does she know? Am I in trouble? Like, what is what can she do against me? You know, I just thought, like, there is still an idol at play. It would have been interesting to see if Sari could have gotten that idol somehow.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Get Rizzo to play the idol on her.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

Mm-hmm. I just thought.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

But I think because he's he knows that she's the threat in the final three.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

Oh, and it's a wait, and it's a boomerang. You're not allowed to play boomerangs with other people.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Oh, it was just Devin's who got the idol from Mr. Billy.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

You don't even care. Um anyway. So we we get to I'm sorry, I just I can't he didn't really think about stuff.

unknown 49:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

Oh, the Billy Eyelish boomerang idol.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Rest in peace, Genevieve. We're sorry that Billy did that to you.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

I'm so sorry. Anyway, so we are so Cree goes through and says, There's a rat at your camp, his wheels are spinning, and he and he, of course, they're not even thinking Rizzo would have leaked. Why would Aubrey leak? I have no idea. But Jonathan is freaked out. He goes to Joe immediately and he's like, Aubrey told. What do you think is going on there? Masterful.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

And again, information is power, and Siri has info to back it up. It's kind of like when Devons lays out the whole Steph and Jonathan thing, and he's like, Well, I know about Steph's advantage because she told me the whole plan. Like, Sari having that true information about the TIFF plan makes it so she can't bolsters her power over Jonathan. It makes it more convincing.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

Exactly. It makes it so she can lie to Aubrey. It's the opposite of Coach going to Emily and saying, like, D or going to D and saying, Emily talked about you last night. None of that was true, none of it makes any logical sense. Like, and so this is like it just puts that seat of doubt in the exact right place. Like, and it is accurate information that she can like it's just so great to go from like to go from back against the wall, you have nothing, to be like, what's the one kernel I have? Let me use it for me myself. I think she still knows she's going home, to be honest. But I think she's like, this is a good Hail Mary to have.

SPEAKER_02 50:37

You've got to do something. It's similar to Emily on her last day being like, I've gotta try something. This showdown like made me sick to watch, like because I do like Aubrey and they're both playing good games, but I love to watch it. And because I think to your point, the writing is on the wall for Cree, and I love at the very beginning, as we go to tribal council, Jeff asks everybody who's surprised they're still here, and everyone raises their hand, but Rizzo did not want to raise his hand. He like looks around and he's like, Yeah, I guess I'll pretend to be surprised that I'm still here.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

I like Rizzo. I know. Like I've said this a million times on this podcast. I like Rizzo when I don't see his confessionals. And I think that's why he's gotten so far. I think people do like him, but he is so frustrating and confess- and say when you see those little glimpses of his like internal self, it's hard.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

To think that he's more palatable in person and then just gets to go put all of his annoying stuff like onto production. Yeah. It's like nobody has to he's like, I can be as insufferable as I want in front of the camera.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

It makes me wonder which, like, what's his true self?

SPEAKER_02 51:55

Like, is where's the baseline?

SPEAKER_00 51:57

Yeah, like is he being obnoxious to the cameras because he wants to have a cool edit, or is that truly him and he's like knows how to be more friendly and manipulative of person?

SPEAKER_03 52:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

I don't know. But I do love, but like I said, he's growing on me and then he's growing on everyone. Well, so we go into tribal thinking it's Aubrey versus Siri. And it is. I mean, it like that is the that's the truth. Yeah, everyone is still surprised. They say it's a tight group, there's really just nowhere to hide when it's such a small group. And that's true. We have like so few people left, and for the millionth time, Aubrey brings up go wrong, the body keeps the score, you don't want like, and I don't I don't mind. I just feel like I said this last week. I feel like Aubrey's getting a really heavy winners at it right now. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

We're like I'm starting to see that more since you've said that. Sorry. No, no, no, ruining it, but no, no, no. I think that's true.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Yeah, just like it. We've just have seen the same logic for everything for a while in a way that's like she's gonna redeem herself. But maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

They also I don't mind her references to Ko Rong. I do think her metaphor, she's been using for a couple of episodes now, about an ember and fanning that ember into a spark, into a flame, is starting to grate on me or or wane in its effectiveness. Like I I don't push up against all of her co-wrong references as much, but I also haven't seen the season, so it is helpful, like context for me. But I think her metaphor is getting a little confused, a little labored, and I'm just but that feels like something that they are continuing to hammer so that so that she can bring it up again at the and who knows, maybe she goes out in fire.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

I mean, if she's talking about fire a lot too.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

That's a good that would be wild.

SPEAKER_00 53:56

That would be I don't know. Yeah, I'm I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

Here is where I felt though, they vote and porsery like the winner of season 50. Like the it should have been her. This is when I was like, why do I watch reality TV? Who's writing this? Unfortunately, nobody. Uh the immediate reaction was then if Aubrey or Tiff don't win this dang season, Jonathan has played a good game. I don't want him to win. Like, and it's now like these two girls, and then Joe, Jonathan, and Rizzo, crazy final five. And at least Rizzo's one of the girls. I just don't see in a world where he wins. Yeah. You know. If he took Jonathan and Joe, again, I Survivor doesn't like girls, and I couldn't, I would not be surprised if Tiff and Aubrey both.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

I don't think there's a world where Rizzo bring like brings. Yeah, but they're not gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 54:54

But if Rizzo ends up in the final three with the other guys, he might pull out. I could see him pulling it off.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

I just I I say that as me the viewer, if I was the one jury voter, but I when I actually look at the jury, I'm not sure. Like, I don't know if like coach Chrissy probably automatically go to Jonathan. Maybe Chris. Like who votes for Rizzo, actually?

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Siree, Ozzie. I think if Ozzie takes some deep breaths. If Ozzie takes some deep breaths.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

The days between Yeah, I guess because it's the three, the three of them blindsided him. So it's like, he's who am I the least upset with?

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Yes, and who did he have his alliance with? He doesn't even maybe know. Yes, Rizzo voted for him. I he doesn't know how much Rizzo played a hand in his elimination, and I don't know how much Rizzo wants to admit to that in a final plea.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Does it does it sting more because you thought you could really trust Rizzo? Where the other two it was a little less more peripheral.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

But Jonathan is actually the one that Ozzie felt really close to over those last few weeks. Jonathan is the one who was targeting him for multiple tribals. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

But he doesn't know that either. I'm just I'm just wondering, like people kind of were trying to warn Ozzie about Jonathan. And Ozzie, from what we saw, did not seem good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:13

No. So I I think Devons, Ceree, maybe Ozzie. Maybe D. Like I think Dee would vote for Rizzo. Out of those three, she's not voting for Jonathan.

SPEAKER_00 56:26

Or is she, does she respect the?

SPEAKER_02 56:30

Yeah. I'm like picking and choosing. I'm like, Ozzie forgives Rizzo, but D doesn't forgive Jonathan.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

Well, and I think Dee is the type of person who she respects. I think a lot of these people that one thing we're figuring out, Rizzo is that he does not he the laziness factor. And I think a lot of these people value challenges and like life around camp. And I think D's one of those people who would like give it to Jonathan because, or maybe Joe. I don't know. Maybe she like because like she's like, you know, game recognized game. I'm at least giving it to the person who beat me in a challenge at least once. Versus Rizzo, who like famously like does not. I mean, he went out before Suri, like so many times.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

Yeah. Maybe not so many, but but he no, he he does.

SPEAKER_00 57:16

Yeah. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

So Sari goes home.

SPEAKER_02 57:20

And I was crying. This is again like I mentioned this with Devin's exit, but Sari, they really give her the chance, more so once she's been voted out, yeah, to have a very touching goodbye. You've said you think this is probably the last time that Sari is playing. She goes out on a real high note, and Jeff.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

I wish it was a little higher. I'm like a little surprised. I I I thought Devin's and Kobe, like I loved Kobe, had the definitely the best. And I thought Devin's was really beautiful. I feel like Sarie's Aubrey did give her flowers and saying, like, you're better than Tony. You're but I know you don't really feel better than Sandra, which I kind of agree with. So the two two-time winners. Um and I just was kind of like, I don't know. I wanted more than her just getting to say, which I think you're about to say.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

She gets to kind of like yes, but I in some ways, like Sari, I'm like, she doesn't need the flowers from the other players. Like she, and doesn't get it maybe as much during the tribal council before the votes. But after it is announced that she's been eliminated, I feel like she really gets the time to like say goodbye. She and Jeff have this really special relationship, and she says something that like was a little eye-rolly for me at the first episode, where she's like, I got off the couch. But like she says it again this time, and I'm like fully in for it. And then Jeff lets her say yeah, the tribe is spoken. Like, I was very touched by this, and I just can't believe she's gone.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

Maybe I'm just sad because I'm just like, I really thought if she was gonna win sometime, it'd be this time.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

It would be this time, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

And it's just I think it's true. I think that the social game is just the most interesting part for me. And so that's why I revere her so much because she has an unmatched social game. I understand though a lot of people are like challenges are a big part of this, and so that's why she's not in their final. I think the thing for me, you know what, this is a conversation. Maybe when maybe when uh Lena and Ian come on, we could talk about like the best to overplay. Because I kind of want to compare these people, but you haven't met any of them, so I don't think that's fun for you. But I am a little like I Sandra hates when people talk crap about her, but I I think they weren't talking crap about Sandra, they were just talking highly of Sari. Yeah, and I think Saria is just the best.

SPEAKER_02 59:45

So Sari has Tiff on her side in this vote, which is interesting. Yeah, Tiff voted for Aubrey, which I don't think is good for her heading into the fucking.

SPEAKER_00 59:59

But I think she's already like her and all like Tiff is a little bit against ever she didn't mean to be, but just the fact that she was going to go home if it wasn't Cree. True, she was already the target.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

That's true. She was already the target.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:13

I don't I would be interested to hear. I think you're completely correct in the fact that you were like, I don't see Tiff being a big threat compared to Aubrey. I think Jonathan and Joe need to think that for a second. Like, why would you bring Aubrey over Tiffany?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:30

Um I don't know why they would.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

No. But maybe they all go for Rizzo next round. But this is now the round that Rizzo has his idol left, right? Because he can play it in the five. So he's guaranteed in the final four.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:47

Oh yeah, you're right. You're right. It was final four. Yeah, I think I was confused on where we were earlier in the episode when we were talking about Devons. But yeah, right, exactly. He still has one left. So he's done. So he's in the least of fire, and wow. Gosh, okay, so our final three choices, I feel like, are pretty I feel like it's pretty much Jonathan and Joe. And then who's the other one? Rezo or Aubrey. Aubrey. And I mean, and Tiffany if she gets immunity. But I feel like it's the two the two men. Yeah. And then it's like who of the other two.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:23

And then one of the girls.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:24

One of the girls.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:26

I actually wonder.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:29

So I would love. We don't know quite yet who's gonna be in the final three next week, but to look at each member of the jury and just out of our final five, we have Tiff, Aubrey, Rizzo, Joe, and Jonathan, who we think each of them would vote for if that person were in the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

It's just so hard to know, like against who. So first we have So D, the mayor of jury.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:55

Who do we think? I mean, it's hard. I think obviously Tiff F Tiff's still there.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:01

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:02

But I do think she might vote for Jonathan in a world where I think she feels played by Jonathan, but she respects that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

I could see that. I could see that. She likes the fight. Like, and so I think she would respect that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:15

But or if it's Aubrey up there versus the boys, then I think maybe Aubrey. It's so hard to know without knowing the final three.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:23

I see what you're saying. Coach, I think Jonathan 100%. And Joe, if not, like if if he can't vote for Jonathan, which I think he can, I think he'd go for Joe.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:35

The only thing is he he and Riza were kind of tight.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:39

Yeah, but but Riza was a late addition to the four horsemen. Yeah. The other two were in the four horsemen from the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

Right, right. Okay, good point, good point.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:47

I think then it was Chrissy, right? Chrissy and Coach are not together. Right, I know. Rest in peace, Chrissy. It was our our triple C's. We lose Christian next. But um I like to think Chrissy would vote for Tiff if Tiff made it to the final.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:02

It's so hard to know because I mean her her play to Jonathan was like, I am the type of person who would vote for you at the end.

unknown 1:03:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

And those girls aren't.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

So I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:13

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:14

She might, I think it's Aubrey or Jonathan.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:19

I think probably Jonathan before Aubrey. Because you're right. Chrissy was with the old school honor integrity from the beginning. And for whatever reason, Jonathan has tricked them all into thinking he's part of that group.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

I think it also depends really on how Aubrey tells her final story. Like right now, I don't know if the jury, because they only see tribal counsel. I don't know if the jury understands how much Aubrey has done.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:41

100%.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:42

So if she can articulate, which I do think she can articulate well, and one thing Jonathan did not do well when he was in the final three is articulate himself well. But I think he's probably working.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

Um yeah, I think that that would be an interesting because I I do think Chrissy might be Chrissy, is a nerdy girl. You know, she is so she might want an Aubrey. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:03

So then Christian, he's lost all of his alliance members. Except maybe Aubrey. But I feel like she kind of cut ties with the Montreal's relationship. Yeah. I think if he could take his pick of this five. Dang! Like Rizzo or Tiff. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:25

Yeah. Cause I We never saw Tiffany, or we never saw Rizzo and Christian or Tiffany have conversations. So I don't Christian probably might go in. Like sometimes so a lot of times before the vote, you kind of hear what people are leaning towards before they hear everyone's stories.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:42

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

And they kind of will put them in camps, like I'm advocating for whoever. And then there's the people who are like, I'm going in, I have no idea who I'm gonna vote for. I'm open-eared. So I think Christian might be the open-eared person.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:52

I think that'll be a theme amongst most of the nerd herd. Yeah. Is that because they don't really have any skin in the game as a group in the final five.

unknown 1:05:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

But who went out after Christian? Stephanie. Jonathan.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:08

Yeah, I think she's an automatic.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:10

She she's still defending Jonathan, even though he got her out.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

And then we have Emily. I think Emily might be Tiffany.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:20

Yes. If Tiffany makes it to the end, Emily would vote for. And maybe Rizzo.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

Yeah, I think she's with the girls. Yeah. Again, Rizzo being one of the girls. Um Ozzy. I don't know about Ozzie. I really have no idea. Because because Ozzie plays with a broken heart. Like, I don't I think he'll play with like if Tiffany's there, Tiffany did the least to hurt him. Right. Tiffany. Right. But if she's not, everyone else was in that tribal who blinded like those were all the people who blindsided him. And so I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:53

Then Devons this week.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

And I think there's just none of Obvious pick for the nerd herd. No. For the middle. No. As we used to say. And I don't even know where Suri either.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:07

Like, I'm trying to remember who's I think if he makes it to the end, Sari would pull that for Rizzo. I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:14

I'm trying to remember what type of people she's been for in the past. And unfortunately, I'm just don't my my levels. I'm not that ape. I don't know. Um man. Yeah. I'll be interested to see where I I obviously the final three will depend on everything. Yes. I do think in my mind right now, it's Jonathan versus Aubrey for winner.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

That has kind of been the case for at least the last week or two. I think in terms of and I think that's true. Unfortunately, I don't see Tiff making it past next week. But it would be interesting to see. Even if I did see her making it past.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:55

Here's the deal. But I kept saying to my husband while we're watching live, I was like, a lot of the new era winners I did not see coming. And so it's possible. And that's part of why I picked Tiffany, because I'm like, I do not see it coming. But we are so deep, and we still see her so little. It does, they're not like giving. Like we haven't heard about her family.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:17

We've heard about Aubur's family.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:18

These letters, yeah. I do think it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:22

We haven't heard about Jonathan's really either, though, to be fair.

unknown 1:07:24

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

We've heard a lot about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:25

It was like Joe and Devin's and Ozzie that we heard about their families.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:29

It's I it seems a little like they love the nuclear family. Like I think I do think that Jonathan and Tiffany are both not married or do not have are not parents. And so I think that that might be part of it. But we just haven't heard like, you know, coming out here because of X is why I want to do Y from Jonathan or Tiffany. So I don't know. We'll see. I'm excited to watch the finale.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:54

I know it's a live finale.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:56

I still can't believe I wasn't invited, though. I know. It is a little like I tried really hard. Yes. I like I was like looking up CBS emails. I was gonna be. But uh yeah, I'm excited to watch it.