Missed the Boat: A Survivor First-Watch Podcast

Survivor superfan Murjanatu brings her best friend Lucas, a total newbie, along for the ride as they watch and react to Survivor 50: In the Hands of the Fans.

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Missed the Boat: A Survivor First-Watch Podcast

Survivor 50 Episode 13 "Reverse the Curse"

May 24, 2026 • Lucas Graden, Murjanatu Mutuwa • Season 1 • Episode 13

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We've officially made to the live finale of Survivor 50: In the Hands of the Fans! Lucas and Murjanatu react to the shocking final episode together.

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to Missed the Boat, a Survivor First Watch podcast.

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Well, it's your first time. I'm a lifelong fan. I'm Rajana too, one of your co-hosts and your resident super fan of Survivor.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

And I'm Lucas, and I've never seen Survivor before. You could say I missed the boat on one of the most iconic reality TV competitions of all time.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Each week I will guide my best friend here through Survivor as we react to season 50 together.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

This week, the finale, Reverse the Curse.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Oh my goodness, Lucas, we made it. I have so many feelings, but overall, honestly, I am so curious. Like you have lived through a whole season of Survivor. What did you think of your first Survivor season?

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Oh my gosh. I am so glad we did this. And I struggled with the finale. Like I feel like the finale has left me on a weird note. And so interesting. I and I don't know. I I know everybody loves the live finales. There's a lot to get into with the live finale. I wonder if seeing them as like real people in proper clothes in a theater in LA like yeah, took me out of it. I was like, no, send them back to Fiji. Like I enjoyed, of course, the parts of it on the island. But um yeah, I'm I'm having mixed feelings. I wonder how much of that is colored by such an interesting reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

I'm sorry. Well, I feel like I have to push back. Like, tell me more.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

What and I don't think it's I don't think it's just the the like live finale LA of it all. Um and I wonder how much of this is me being colored by like seeing other people's opinions online. I saw I've seen multiple people, lots of like frustration from the people in my life who watched Survivor that this was the final five. And um with that, I'm like, oh, am I just taking on other people's opinions? Did I feel that way before this week?

SPEAKER_00 2:20

I I think it's an interesting question because I'm offline a lot more, and I think in general, I feel like I'm like, I don't know a lot of the things that you're telling me until you tell me. I'm like, oh yeah, that's a good point. But I hadn't thought of it. So I do wonder a little bit. But I mean, I guess if you can just say in general though, like to the show. I'm not asking you, I didn't ask you about the season, I'm like asking you on surviving.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

No, I know, I know. I but I do think my my experience of the season, like I was thinking of it afterward, I feel like was I feel lower overall after the finale than I think I did prior to the finale. And part of that, and we'll get into it, I think is because the structure of the finale is not what I was expecting. I don't know, but I feel I give it a thumbs up out of out of five, I'd give it like a three, I think is where I'm at right now on my first season of Survivor.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

That's totally fair. I think that there's so much to say, just about there's so much to say about season 50, like being season 50 and being the point where you jump in. I think that you know there is there was just so much happening, and it is very hard to also have the feelings I think a lot of the long-term fans have had when you're jumping right in to so all of these returning players that were so excited about the fact that they even just are returning, you're meeting them for the first time, and then there's so much with this season being I think quite obscure, and we can talk about that later, like, or it's just strange compared to the rest of um the seasons. I like I just I think you're probably talking about the themes of like misogyny that people have seen throughout, and I think that's totally fair, and I also think like we I've felt a little bit left let down because I do not think this is the same place it was so a couple months ago, a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

That's a good point, and I wonder how much the the weight of expectation that the the fandom and and they were drumming up as well from Survivor and from CPS of like this is Survivor 50. Maybe that is making me hold it to a higher standard than I would if I were just watching season 48, even you know, like just watching a random season starting. Exactly. I think it's interesting season 51 is gonna be all new players, and what does that look like? How does that look like and all the twists, which they say is gonna be part of the new era, but that's what they did this season, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Like, I know I'm I'm not sure what that means and like why that like yeah, this was the the last era was the twisty turny one, and then obviously 50 was extreme. I just don't and so for you as a new person coming into the fandom, you don't even understand the core to like understand the twists, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 5:25

100%. They are riffing on something, but I don't understand the original to then understand the the twists and the riffs. I guess before we get into the survivor finale as a whole, how did you feel about the season overall?

SPEAKER_00 5:44

I definitely felt, like I said earlier, a lot more positively than you did. And then and like I I it's like you said, it's hard to know like if it's the color of just where we what we else we're seeing or actually watching it. I mean, I love the beginning. I I love seeing everyone come back. I had I just had like so much fun, and I loved crying when the old players were kind of retiring, and I just like I loved yeah, I loved the season. I think the the overall like themes of just misogyny kind of did take away from it. Like, and again, I I said it like and I've said it time and time again, I'm like Jonathan's playing a great game, but like it's not I was never rooting for him, and I like and so and so for him and Joe to be in the final, I understand a lot like people feel disappointed by that, but to me that was like I had so much fun talking about it with you every week, and I had so much fun watching it. So I don't know. I I think if I get too meta, but then I can contradict it, but I I think I enjoyed it. I think I give it like a 4.25.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Okay, okay, yeah. I think that feels I think that feels fair. I think that there is there's more to enjoy as a returning fan for all of these like legends to come back. And and I agree, I really enjoyed the honestly, I think I probably enjoyed the first half a little bit more than I enjoyed like post-merge. I still enjoyed post-merge, and I fell in love with Suri along the way. That is probably one of the highlights of the whole experience. And um then once Sari was gone, I was a little bit like okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

And that's the thing people do say with a lot of these shows, and I think Traders is in this too, it gets actually much more boring towards the end when there's just like so like there's a lot less things that can be done, and place like they always say like there's play there's less places to hide, but it's also like for us, yes, I miss a re but also I do think that in general I'm like, oh we're not really can't do too much scheming, you know what I mean? Tiffany knew she was out.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

Yes, yes, you're kind of in some ways like limping towards the conclusion. You're like, okay, here and we get into that because Tiff is not happy about she knows Sari told her, like she was the plan, she was the target, they got Sari out instead, and she knows that she's the next one to go. So this is pretty intense. She's like, nobody talk to me, and Aubrey tries to talk to her, and Tiffany is not having it, and yeah, it's it's just tense on the beach because Aubrey, Joe, Jonathan, and Rizzo all know that Tiff is still the target for the next vote.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

I know, I know, and and it's it's interesting. I mean, Tiffany just says, like, I do not want to talk to anybody. Aubrey then tries to talk to her and she freaks out on her. I wasn't it was interesting to see that Aubrey got the wrath specifically, but I'm like, I was like, well, she said she didn't want to talk to anybody. So I think she meant it.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Yeah, Tiff does kind of focus her anger on Aubrey for wanting to vote for her, and it was all of them. But I think you're right that the Aubrey's specific offense in this moment was just coming up to try and initiate a conversation after Tiffany said she did not want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Yeah. I wonder if there was a world where they could have done like Aubrey, Aubrey Rezzo to vote out one of Joe or Jonathan. Like it just it just seemed like that was never even an option.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

That's interesting. Yeah, I don't think they were ever gonna get Joe to vote out Jonathan.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

And I think Aubrey actually wanted to have gone.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

Jonathan to vote out Joe. Yeah, yeah. And Tiff, her kind of knowing that she's at risk, maybe I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but her kind of um Hail Mary is to turn it back on Aubrey and say, Hey, Aubrey's a way bigger threat than I am. Why not get her out next? Which she's not wrong.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

I know. I you know, it was an interesting thing, like, and and that's part of Survivor, though. Like, you get this social game to a place where people get a little less scared of you, and I think that it's just so funny. I keep seeing Jonathan stuff talk about for four years I thought about nothing but Survivor, and I'm like, okay, well, for Aubrey, it was 10 years and three different seasons, like she's also thinking about it all the time for so long. And the fact that his story, you know, going to the end when we we get there, it's so interesting he doesn't see how Aubrey was a threat for him. I think he's kind of being a sore loser, too. So I feel like so. It's interesting, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

So Tiff knows that she's a target, she's gonna try and get people to vote for Aubrey instead, but she knows she needs immunity. We have this massive obstacle course, they're going through the mud again. Jonathan was a beast when he just like ran up to the post to knock the sandbags off. Um, they have to make the ladder puzzle to get up to make the final puzzle, which is this circular phoenix sculpture, and Jeff is just talking incessantly about how look, Joe and Jonathan made the frame, and the wind is uh not helping, and they should have built it from the bottom up, like Tiff did. And it really looked like Tiff was about to pull this out. The fact that it comes down to one piece each. I know. I know.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

It's really like just tragic to watch. But I mean, even going in there, I just I keep going, I'm just seeing the flaws in Jonathan's game. Like he thought he won, like before they're just getting up to the oh, that's later. That's in Shimotion. Okay, I'm so sorry. I was but that didn't mean there's not a lot of the happens between the two traps. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Okay, yeah, but it's so close. And it's a okay, did you notice how many times Jeff said, Tiffany's doing it the right way? Bottom up.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Like right, right.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

I won't like she was so robbed because he had said, like, he had just let me to believe that she was going to win that entire time, and she didn't.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

100%. And so just as we get to like Tiffany's tribal, what's interesting is I really think she's making a compelling case against Aubrey. I I know it may just be the editors showing us a couple of shots of Joe and Jonathan thinking, hmm, is Aubrey the smarter vote? But then we get to tribal and Tiff. This to me is where she is like giving up. She's not even making the case against Aubrey anymore. She's like, you all are gonna vote me out, and I am pissed about it, and I'm just gonna tell y'all how angry I am.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

I know. It was hard to, I mean, I thought she it is nice to go down guns ablazin if you're gonna go down, and you know you are, but I I felt for her like I wish it in the same way I wish Ozzy's was definitely better. I wanted that for Tiffany too. And like I was saying, I think her arguments made perfect sense. I think Jonathan had a blind spot in why Aubrey was a threat to him.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Yes, and I I actually was thinking of Ozzy as well. This is again another very emotional display at the end of Tribal. And I have given Ozzie probably a lot more crap about it because I just like Tiff more, but I do think it's fair to say, like, I it's the same critique for both of them, which is that like whereas Emily, she knew she was going down, but she did everything she could right up until the very end to try a last ditch effort, to try and get the votes for Cerie, like and unfortunately And you know, I kind of want to say something to me, it's like not a critique, like and and that's where I like that's fair for all of these people when they have like big emotions.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

I'm not creating I'm like, oh, that this is the reaction to whatever the situation had. And so I just wanted to clarify that because I do think we've talked about that like kind of sticking point a few times on like leaving with anger or like making those decisions. And I I totally see why both like Ozzie and Tiffany did it. It's just it's better to see Tiffany, who knows she's going down to like start with that anger, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 14:54

It feels a little bit better, and yeah, maybe critique isn't the right well, and it it's different to me though, because Ozzy, I'm just like, oh, this is hard to watch. Like, you're really playing up in feeling. I'm not to say he's being disingenuous, you're really feeling these emotions. That's happening after he's already lost. That is happening after he's already been blindsided. For me, Tiff is throwing away her game, and like we'll talk about Rizzo. Rizzo's a quitter, Rizzo likes to give up. And to me, this is giving up instead of feeling those feelings after you've been eliminated. Or like showing that is that is maybe where I actually do feel more of a critique for Tiff in terms of the gameplay and the strategy, kind of getting overwhelmed by the emotions. Whereas Ozzie was just kind of a really raw and uncomfortable, but I think genuine display of emotions after he'd already lost.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yeah, that totally makes sense. And it I totally how everybody got there. Like it's just I think that she wasn't, she just knew she couldn't say anything. She's just like, oh, I'm not going, you know, I want people to see. And I and I can even like let's go to the side, we go to the live segment and when Tiffany's voted out. And I kind of felt weird about him asking her directly if she had imposter syndrome. Like, that's gonna fuel it. The guy who brought me here. Yeah, he's like so you're good.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

You were the worst player out of all of the season 50 cast, you had the worst original standing. Did that ever make you feel like an imposter? And I'd be like, Well, Jeff, if it didn't before, like it sure does now. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

Yeah, I felt that way too. I I just I was just like, come on, like, let my girl have. I thought she looked amazing.

SPEAKER_02 16:47

She did, yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

And speaking of Ozzie, the okay, and his segment, how rude of it was it? Yes, Jeff, to be like, I think he's kind of making fun of the players this season. And I'm just like, Jeff, this isn't a laughing matter. But he brings a t-shirt to Ozzie about playing, he should have played his idol.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

And his question for Ozzie was like, Man, dude, wasn't it stupid of you to not listen to the dream that you had that told you to play your idol?

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Like, I know, and my hippie little boyfriend Ozzie was like, Yeah, man, you gotta bring up the third eye. Like, he was like, Oh, he did not he did not come to play on that. He he like took it seriously and talked about the woo-woo stuff, and I'm like, that's my man.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

Yes, but I I felt bad for him. I did feel like Jeff was making fun of him, and like you said, the way that Jeff is asking Tiffany if she felt like an underdog, some of these segments. I was like, Jeff, be nice. Like these people have already given so much, put so much on camera for you.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

It yes, and it felt a little bit like how I felt with Billie Eilish, rolling her eyes and making fun of the Billie Eilish boomerang idol. Where I'm like, we Jeff, you're always on the screen telling us how much just really matters, these are real emotions, and to then just like mock these people in front of a live audience. I'm like, hey, hey now. Yeah, I don't know if you're drinking the Kool-Aid that you gave me, but I was. So please don't make fun of my my pals. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Well, we we now have our final four. Tiffany has joined the jury, and this is interesting because Aubrey does kind of become the next target. The guys band together, there's a boys' club between Joe, Jonathan, and Rizzo, and they want to get Aubrey out, but they go to a challenge, and Jeff explains some of the backstory. This is my first time seeing this, but he explains how this was an art project by one of the production assistants, and they have since made it a challenge on Survivor. It's called Show Motion.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

And wouldn't it just be so cool to be that person? I did not know. I have watched a show for so long. I just thought it was like a game everywhere. I just think that's such a cool. I did not know that backstory. I don't know how I missed it, but I'm glad I heard it now.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

Yeah, to to have your legacy cemented as I hope they get lots of royalties every time Survivor uses this like patented design for the challenge. This is an intense challenge, too. Just to see the there's a really cool shot. Shout out to the editors, where the music and the video they go into slow motion. I think that's when it's down to just Tiff and Jonathan. Sorry, Tiff and Joe. Nope, that is Aubrey. Tiff is gone.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

I was like, wait, that doesn't sound right.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

I corrected both both names were wrong. Um there's a moment where Aubrey and Joe, I think, are the last two standing, and it all goes to slow motion for a moment, and they are both having to remind themselves left, right, left, right. Like, where's it coming next? I think of course this is part of the challenge, but to have only one hand to be doing this and having to juggle back and forth, very fun to watch. I really liked this challenge.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Me too.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

At the moment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

I was curious if, like I said, like I grew up with it. I didn't even like realize, like, because I just assumed it was on a lot of different things. And so it was cool to see your reaction and be like, that looks like a torture device. I mean, this is what you had said. So it's it's fun, it's it's cool. And I I loved watching in the end. I mean, Aubrey takes the freaking win. Oh, I wanted to say, I know, I'm so proud of her. And and like, this is where I wanted to say earlier. I Jonathan walks up to that platform. So sure he's going to win. He is like waving to the crowds, he is picturing that live finale when he wins. And I love that Aubrey is the one who wins in the end.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Audio medium, my head is in my hands. Like I am exasperated with Jonathan and and yeah, the level of like bravado and artifice that he is presenting with like his entrance onto this challenge platform. But when Aubrey wins, we said this, like she knew that she just won Survivor. She's like, I just needed to make it to the final three. She has guaranteed herself a spot, and it is really emotional. Like, to me, in some ways, like that is a more emotional moment when it's like she has crossed the threshold. She has done what she needed to do, and now she just has to like cinch it at jury. But her falling to the ground on the challenge platform was. Really, the moment I think she won Survivor, and it was beautiful to watch, like very emotional. Somebody they should have undone their little hand contraptions. Yeah, that bothered you a lot. The minute and her hand was like stuck behind her back. I was like, that does not look comfortable.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

And she's giving these giant hugs. I'm like, that probably hurt. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

Get this girl out of her torture device.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

No, it was so exciting to see. And yeah, exactly. When we when she won, I'm like, oh, that's how she won Survivor. Like to win exactly when you needed to. Yeah. Impeccable.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Yeah. And then for her to go to confessional and say that when I saw Shimotion was up as one of the votes for the fans, I bought a machine off of Etsy and I've been practicing.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

I love that. I know I was like, that's like a pretty big machine to like get in the mail.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

Imagine her like whole living room is just a Shimotion training ground. She was like, this is the one thing I practiced for, so and like you said, she picked the exact right time to win a challenge.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Exactly. So we also found because we also found out that she, as the winner, gets to pick who's going to fire.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

The fans voted for fire. Did you vote for fire?

SPEAKER_00 23:22

No. And for any of the single, not a single one that won. And I feel very salty about it. And I even yeah, I don't want to get into it. I just feel as though that is fake. And I am annoyed with it every it felt and and and I said this when we were watching live. Sorry, I can't even talk. I'm like so like upset about it. It feels a little strange to announce what the fans voted for after the winner is picked. I'm like, oh okay, because you can just mess with it however you want.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Like I just got so annoyed. I do, yeah. It's like if Jonathan had won the challenge, if Joe had won the challenge, would they still have done fire? Like right.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

I don't know. I just have a little chip on. I just I'm suspicious because I not a single one I voted for would won.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

So I almost wonder if I understand them wanting to build suspense, but they should have had the the decision in an envelope that Jeff is like what the fans voted for is in this envelope and we will open it after the challenge. And then it's like the winner open, like Aubrey opens it and reads it so that we know Yeah, I like that that they didn't change it. We see it before the challenge starts, but then they open it after just for to to allay any doubts that somebody like you might have about the yes, well and it's fixed with all of these twists.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

It's very, I just it doesn't really make sense to me why we have to you you have the same face of shock before the challenge versus after. Like, why not explain it? I just think there's like many times that we've had twists this season where they randomly explain it after we have a winner.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

Yeah, people are not making informed decisions as much when when it's always a twist after the fact. And I don't think that Rizzo would have won Shimotion, but we do see that he desperately does not want to go to fire. Like if he had known that fire was at stake during that challenge, like would his reaction have been bigger when he lost when he was the first one out, you know? Like he because we go back to the beach, Aubrey gets to pick one person to bring with her to the final three, the other two have to go to fire. She immediately is like, suddenly, Joe, you're my number one, which she's he's the number one she knows she can beat. Exactly. Like it's a smart choice, and it was touching. They're on the hammock, and she's like, I'm bringing you with me. And he just starts crying, like he has now made it to the final. That is a big moment for him. But we see as soon as Rizzo knows that he's going to fire, he's like, Is there anything I can say to change your mind? And she says, No, there's not. It really rattles him, like he is really afraid of going to fire.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

And yeah, and we just see like montage moment after moment of him explaining how this is how he went home last time, but also just explaining how he never wanted to be in this position again. He has real PTSD. But the thing that like annoyed me, I was like, when have you done anything to prevent this from happening? Like you have not explained like I've not heard you ever talk about it. I have never seen you practice fire the whole time you've been there. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

That is, he says, like, oh, this is the the main goal of my game was to not end up in this situation again. And it's like, what did you do to avoid ending up in fire? Like, in what world? And I did feel bad. I like, yeah, I was kind of laughing at the montage of him just not getting it. And we talked a lot, and I talked some smack, I will say, before he turns it around, I talked some smack about Rizzo being a quitter and the fact that. When you did at the beginning of this podcast, also and and Siri on her Phoenix like sabbatical talks about how like nothing on Survivor is impossible. And she even talks in this episode about how like she consistently learns new things about herself and discovers new capabilities from playing this game, and that's what the game gives her. I felt in the first montage of Rizzo just failing to make fire and then going to like lay in the hammock and cry. I was like, you have to keep pushing yourself. Nothing on Survivor is impossible, but you need to keep it's fine to cry. Girl, I cry every week on this podcast. Cry while you are trying to make fire. Like, stop. I was just like, why is he such a quitter? This is why he's not gonna win. And I I will eat my words in a little bit. Like he turns it around, but I will say I was not feeling super sympathetic to him when he was first trying to make it.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

I think it's a fair critique. I think, you know, and yeah, I can also picture him like crying about this and working on it and that kind of is a cringe mess, too. So maybe he didn't, but I think he pretty much said I quit, right? Like it I didn't imagine.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

He did like put his things down and like go and just lay in the hammock.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Oh, Rizzo. No, I mean that's the thing about like, and this is one thing. I just think everyone is so obsessed. I won't say everyone, but Rizzo is so obsessed with his legacy on the show that I think sometimes he forgets to just like play the game. Like he is very good, but like I think that people like Ozzy are legends and Cree are legends because they were just in the moment playing the game. What what can I do to survive? Like you never hear any of them say, like none of them gave themselves their mick their own nicknames and are touting it around, and they also like would never quit, and they do put in that hard work, and that's just something I don't think Rizzo has been able to connect yet, you know?

SPEAKER_02 29:15

100%. He is very much like performing for the cameras, and he he started the watching the show as a kid, like these were legends on his TV screen, and so he thinks of himself as another one of those characters and doesn't always have the like presence of mind to just be in the moment and play the game and um right because I was just like he's a student of the game, and I'm like, Rizzo, ask Joe for help.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Like that was Joe's last big thing on screen was like helping Eva ask Joe for help. And the fact that he like gave up, I was just like, why would you do like and it looks from the edit as if Joe kind of just offers his services in helping Rizzo do fire, and and that kind of annoys me too. Like, at least use your social game to get something out of this.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Don't quit. This was the most I've liked Joe probably all season. Like he it felt like he was just looking at this like wounded baby bird on the sidewalk and being like, This is I cannot watch this without offering assistance. And so he goes over, we see them the like flashback to him helping Eva, as you mentioned. And really, once he starts helping Rizzo, like Rizzo starts getting it, and he is it's you right away. It was like David and Goliath, and it was like David got the slingshot and was ready to go. Like he was one strike, and Jonathan, who's been making fire all day on the beach, is like, oh, should I be worried?

SPEAKER_00 30:49

Like I love the shots of Jonathan's reaction to Rizzo um practicing fire. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Because Jonathan was feeling pretty cocky when it came to fire originally, even in his confessional, he like strikes and lights an ember and says, What was that, five seconds?

SPEAKER_00 31:08

And I felt like you found that pretty um, yeah, it was exciting, but it was just a very interesting. I just couldn't believe you did that so fast. It was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

Number one Jonathan fan on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Oh my gosh, on the podcast. I can take it. I'll take it. Not in the world though.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Because that would be Miss Stephanie Denver's. We will get to the number one Jonathan fan.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

Yeah, I don't know how, yeah, she probably did not survive that footage last night.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

So where were we?

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Well, I'm sweating, so we must be near fire. But we go to tribal and they are um getting ready for this showdown. Rizzo is like making his underdog comeback, and right before we see the challenge start.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

History, baby.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

We cut to the live final, and all of all of the jurors are sitting and there's an empty seat open. They have set up this image of the jury. Jeff is standing and he invites out R-I-Z-G-O-D, Riz God baby.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Wait, I have to interrupt because like you and I clocked it from the second the second room that was out there. We're like, wait a second, something's wrong here. My husband goes, No, they are not that stupid. Calm down. And they are that stupid. He did not call us tough, calm down. But it was just so like it was just the faith he has in this franchise still.

SPEAKER_02 32:53

And we re-watched it after the finale. And to watch, like Ozzie is sitting stiff as a board, hands on his knees. He's like not clapping. He's like, this isn't supposed to be happening. Jeff, I must have been productions faces where Jeff in the middle of a sentence is like, I'm not sure what's happening. And he like pushes Rizzo.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

Like something was wrong.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

He's like, go take your seat. The final member of our jury, Rizzo. And everybody is like, and Sari says they haven't done fire yet. And Jeff pretends, Jeff pretends not to hear what Sari said and was like, I don't know what's happening, but we'll be right back after this. Oh my gosh. Oh, that was historic. To watch it live was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

That is well, and the first thing we said was like, Oh, we're never getting live like travel again.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Yep. Yep. They brought back live finales, and those are staying in the first 50 seasons of Survivor.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Oh my gosh. I was that was why I was so upset. Like, I don't care. I guess that was fun to watch, but I was like, no, we're gonna get this taken away from us. It's not our fault.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Yes, I um oh, this was wild. So then we come back. Jeff has his uh joke about a peek into the future twist, and that this was clearly a mistake. They're not pretending like it wasn't, but they try to make a funny joke about it. They then show us the fire challenge. Definitely pretty anticlimactic when Rizzo never even really gets a spark going and we know that he's gonna lose. Um exactly, but this is actually the moment where Steph, I think, even says, she's like, Rizzo never once lit the fire at camp. Like, to your point, and to Jeff's point, this is the other thing though. Jeff is still like making fun of Rizzo in the live finale where he's like, Well, remember when you told Colby that camping wasn't part of the game, and did it, and it's like, okay, dude, like, yeah, poor Rizzo.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Yeah, it well, you look especially foolish when you're making fun of someone while you're making a mistake. While you're making a mistake, like the mistake of the century. Like this is that's going down in history. So I think that is like it's it was like direct karma.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

At least Rizzo has cemented himself as what as he said, a survivor moment, a surviv iconic first live mistake.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

Right, I know, but I I'm like, stop, let someone else do that work, Rizzo. Like, don't tell me that.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Right. He's he's very eager to claim it. He's like, yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

Yes. Love him, but anyway, so we then watch the fire making in which, like you said, Rizzo loses. Like we all knew, it was very anticlimatic. And I mean, it was sweet though to watch him leave. I think he just loves this game so much, and he's just he's just yapping about it. Um, and then we kind of watch him. We did like kind of hear Rizzo's same speech three times and different levels in adrenaline. Because we saw it like happen when he was just like, I love this game, I watched it, and then he had kind of said that right before, and then right after they brought him back out, it's just kind of a silly little mess up.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Yeah, that's true. They they bring Rizzo back out with Jeff, but they have not set up the jury again. It's like just the two of them at the live finale.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Um, and you know what? I was thinking too, they had a lot of corona segments. I wonder if everyone backstage is partaking as well. Because uh, that was a lot of free corona and biggest mistake on.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Yes. Speaking of in the hands of the brands, this was really Corona's time to shine. Jeff brings out a big bucket full of ice and coronas with lime and the labels facing the camera, and then um lots of Corona commercials, also Elfie. I feel like, or Elf, those I feel like were the the brands of the finale.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

When we talked about this a lot, you know, I'm a marketer, and um, I was just like, why would you premiere all of your commercials at the finale date?

SPEAKER_02 37:10

You see, they're all they're all these different commercials, those could have been eked out over the season, but in the hands of the brand they really wanted to make sure they had like a relevant person.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

I don't know, maybe they like made it once they got the final five and Tiffany was in it and had to do it real quick.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

That's a good point. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

I don't know, but anyway, sorry, what were you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 37:32

No, I was just thinking before we get to the final three, we've talked through a lot of the other segments of the live finale. There's a couple others, specifically like Mike White zooms in. He's the one who didn't come um to announce.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

He's obviously exhausted.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

Yeah, it's like four in the morning in Paris. And he announces the cameos. I'm this is maybe what I'm most excited about, actually, now that I think about it, for my life post Survivor 50 is that I'm gonna watch season four of The White Lotus and I'm gonna recognize the Survivor cameos.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

Yeah, that's really sweet. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

And it was Camilla and Charlie who were two of my uh beloveds, kind of from the early part of the season.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

So I miss Charlie. They better bring Charlie back soon.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Yeah, this this is feels kind of like a random two, but I'm I'm excited to see them in France. Not with Helen Abonham Carter, but that's for a different TV podcast.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

That's for a different podcast. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

So should we go to the last today, the final three?

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Yeah, so they wake up and I love the final three. Like, I don't know, it's there's just a piece about it. I think she's like, you can't do, you know, you're gonna do a big thing tonight, but like take this in. And while they're they usually get like a big breakfast, it's you know, no strings attached, you just get this breakfast. But then who delivers the breakfast but their loved ones?

SPEAKER_02 39:09

This was really sweet, and I think we talked after the letters from home about how they used to fly out loved ones for a visit and they didn't this season. I really loved that they're looking at the boat and they're like, who's on the boat? And even Jonathan is like, is that my brother? Is that my brother? Like, he's so excited and oh, this is so sweet. Like, these poor people have been tortured on an island for a month, and now Aubrey gets to hug her mom, and Jonathan gets to hug his brother, and Joe gets to hug his wife.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

I just have to say it. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

Yeah, what was the primary colors? Almost, I want to say Caillou vibes. Like, I know those aren't Caillou's colors, but like it's giving like like Steve from the city.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Mario was like visiting Caillou, yeah, yeah. Caillou's universe. Yeah, I do not love it. But I sorry, this is not a fashion or a bullying podcast. I just I don't need to talk about that. And it was so cute. You pointed out like Aubrey's mom pretty much wears the exact same outfit, both on the show, like on when she visits in Fiji, and then she has like a slightly classier version for the live show. Girl, I think it was the same outfit. I have not rewatched it. I paid attention. This is rewatching what happened. It was really funny.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

She she knows her, she got her like color theory done one day, you know, where they like hold up the different swatches and somebody told her this is your color. So she she has her TV outfits. She's like, I'm ready for my clothes.

SPEAKER_00 40:46

I know it's just so funny to see what people are gonna pick like their one 10-month TV, but yes, anyway, I I I love these moments. I really love Joe and his wife. Like, I just he was he was like, Is that my hot tall wife? And I'm like, yeah, and she was so tall and beautiful, and so I I really liked that that moment for them, and her giving him permission to like lose. You know, he had just lost um his last season, and they just watched it for the first time right before he left. And I think he just needed her to say, like, I'm really proud of you regardless, and it made the the finale that much sweeter.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

He even says, like, whatever happens, like I know my family will still love me. And that is the the energy to take into this. I think even before the final tribal, Jonathan says something similar, maybe even in the final tribal, where he's like, Hey, whatever happens is meant to be. And yeah, like I have done everything I can to get myself to this point, good or bad, whatever happens next is meant to be. And I was like, man, when the worst person you know makes an excellent point, I was like, that is actually like the healthiest, like most well-adjusted way to take this thing because one person's gonna win, everybody else starts.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Yeah, unfortunately, like seeing his reaction later on, I did not feel as though he actually believed that. That was like his PR answer. But it was a good answer. It was a really good answer, but it was a really good answer to be completely fair to him. Um, yeah, I agree. Cool. So then we we kind of like we hear everyone's thoughts and feelings. I think we can skip this part. I mean, it was interest. I think the most interesting part is that Emily was like interested in Joe.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

But I that was, you know. I like what Emily has to say. I think they, I think the editors were like scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something that somebody said about Joe that was like positive or could be like spun into a winner's take. But what she says is true is she's like, somehow we had to run every single vote by Joe. Like he cracked the code in this game. Like, for whatever reason, he became the judge jury of the entire beach.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

Um 100%. And that's why I'm like, I don't think they had to screw at the bottom of the barrel. Like what she said was absolutely true. Like, she I would have given like a little bit of his credit there. Like, it was he did get roasted later, but I do think Emily was was genuine and volunteered, but she did not vote for him.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

So I and that's that's all I mean. Is I don't think she was ever planning to vote for him, but I think she was I think she was being honest in her observation of like, and I like what she says later, as we she says essentially the same thing in the jury uh during the final tribal of like that holds power, like that is a that is power that Joe held over the beach. I don't think it's enough in her mind. Obviously, she doesn't vote for him, but like it is. I think, yes, she volunteered that information. I don't think she was like, I'm voting for Joe, and here's why.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Right. I okay, I totally. Hear you, I hear you. Um, fun, okay. So yeah, I think beyond that, like, I'm just ready to get to the final tribal.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

And this did you feel about this one, Lucas? I mean, like, you said that the like finale wasn't exactly what you expected. Was this part of it?

SPEAKER_02 44:16

This is the biggest part of it, I think. Okay, what happened? For for me, I think final tribal was just not at all what I expected it to be. I knew that they it was gonna be the final three and that each of the jury members were gonna vote, but they kept saying the the competitors, like Aubrey kept saying, We need I need to tell my story. I need to figure out how to tell my story. So I thought this was going to be, I was picturing like a debate or a a legal drama, like a courtroom. I thought they were each gonna get like two minutes to state their case as to why they thought they were a winner. I kind of thought that might be it. Um instead, there's not, except for the fact that Christian asks them the question of like what's your story, that does give them the opportunity and the platform do kind of just state their case. But instead, so much of the conversation is actually driven by the jury and not by the players. And I think that's what felt odd to me because once you join the jury, you are silent in the game. So we don't really know, aside from some reaction shots, like how they are feeling as things are going. But now they are the ones driving this whole conversation, bringing up their past kind of feelings and hurts. And I get it. It's I almost think because I realized in this finale, like, oh, this actually does rest in the hands of the jury, like they are really important to the outcome of the game, but I feel like they aren't given that weight of importance from the time that they are eliminated until now. Like I'm like, I haven't seen these people, I haven't seen Chrissy in six weeks, and now she's like going to bat for Jonathan. And I'm like, I so I think, yeah, I was taken aback by the format of it. And I think overall, just the the weight and the power that the jury members held was a lot more than I expected. Because then it becomes at one point, yeah. That is that is my opening statement for how I felt about this, and just how it kind of took me off guard. I have more thoughts, but I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Yeah, that's interesting. I think um it's funny just like hearing you. I I I feel like I tried to press the upon the importance and especially of like being in good favor with everyone um as much as I could, but it's it's funny how you're like until I saw it and see how much they own the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:56

I had to see it, the the kind of like burning the bridges, and and if you upset somebody too much, it can come back to bite you. Um because it also then becomes like, do you have the strongest member of the jury on your side? Do you do you have Sari on your side arguing your case for you, or are you Joe or Jonathan?

SPEAKER_00 47:18

You know, like it It's interesting because different people feel different ways. Because some people really, or especially people who have gone to jury, do not like people advocating for them. They're like, ask, like, do your job, ask me a question. I mean, the jury I think is allowed to like do whatever they I don't know what restrictions they're given. I a bigger fan than I might, but it is interesting. I mean, this definitely had more advocating for players than I've ever seen. It's not usually like that, and I think that's why you see Tiffany go, is there a question in there? Like that's not always happening. And some people also really don't like it because whatever you might say might not be in the narrative I'm really trying to build, right? It's like a it's a risky thing.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

Well, and that is that relates to I may not have liked it overall, but probably one of the most entertaining things about this finale, as you just mentioned with Tip asking, is there a question when Steph is basically throwing herself at Jonathan?

SPEAKER_00 48:28

The total package. It's like she's like, it's like she works on his PR team. What the heck? That was so weird.

SPEAKER_02 48:35

Not even his PR team. Like, I I don't know how to say this in a respectful way.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

She like Yeah, member of his fan club.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

Yes, not a professional, not safe for work, not at work. She was she was operating from fan club mode. Like the total package. She was obsessed with him. And Tiff calls out, like, is there a question in this? And she's like, There is a question. There's gonna be a question. There is not a question. There is a question. She finishes her thought, there is not a question in there.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

If I didn't hate her before, maybe. I know. I was like, girl, you're embarrassing yourself. Get up. She was so embarrassing this whole time. Like when she was talking to when Jonathan was talking about getting Ozzie out, and she's like, everyone on the jury is fighting to claim that they got Ozzie out. And she's like, can you please share that wasn't actually me? And I'm like, girl, you don't even get it. Like, you don't even get how embarrassing it is to say you're not the one who did it when everyone else is trying to claim the move.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Dummy. So and and the fact that, and Chrissy even says this, and I think this is a fair point, but Chrissy's like, Jonathan's social game was so good that he got Stephanie to fall on the sword for him and like take the Chrissy for the Aussie, for the Aussie vote. But it's like, Chrissy, I don't think that was Jonathan's social game that got Steph to take that heat. It was that she's like in love with him. So yes, Chrissy's making a good point. I like Chrissy. I don't love that she's on Jonathan's side, but like she's making a more like trying to make it at least a more strategic point. But yeah, and I think because again, because the jury are the ones like asking these questions, we just start going into these rabbit holes and tangents about things like who got Ozzy out. And actually, I want to know, Joe, which one of them did convince you. And is that really what this game is resting upon now? Is like this what so I don't know. It is very interesting. I wonder if, as you said, there was so much more like advocacy and and it like is it felt like people lawyering up in a defense of the contestants. Right. That maybe in a traditional final tribal where it is more like we are asking questions, they are responding, vice versa. Maybe I would enjoy that more. But I rubbed up against this.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

Name one person's loved one. Her her like question was like to name everybody, a loved one of every person there, and she's like, I cannot do that. And she says, Yes, you can, I'm the jury. It's a million dollar vote. So she like, so like, I mean, that is obviously showing you're not for that person, but there are like the Stephanie was being absurd. I just want to make sure that's clear. Like, that is not normal.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

I do want to say Jonathan has an answer. I don't remember what the question was, but when he explains very clearly and articulately how he's playing a different game with each player, and how he knows Coach is a straight shooter, so he's playing a straight shooter game with coach, and he knows Ozzy is brash and emotional, so he is playing that with Ozzy. Like, that was kind of in contrast to what you're saying about Savannah's question. Like, I was like, this is, and you've said this the whole time, he is playing an intelligent game. He is reading these people, and there there is something I kind of love about seeing him sit there at the end and read. I would have loved a rundown of the whole jury. Like to say, like, I'm reading each and every one of you. This is what I know about you, this is how I played you. I really enjoyed seeing that. I like to imagine Siree at a final and to hear her, oh, that that is delicious. Like, I would love to hear Sari's like takes on everybody and be like, and this is how I manipulated the whole game. And oh, be but to to give Jonathan credit, I thought I really liked that answer from him.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

I agree. I like like I keep saying, he played a great game, he is very good at explaining himself too. Like, I think that's part of it as well. Is he just did such a better job, and I also have to corrections corner. I have said so many times that Jonathan made it to the final, and then they talked about him being in fire, and I was like, I guess I've been wrong. I I like once I saw the footage, but I was like, sorry to everyone have been saying that Jonathan was in the final three before. He was not, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

No, he was he and Rizzo were both out at fire until he he found redemption this time.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

Yes, good for him. So from there, we see people voting. We get, I mean, we see quite a bit of votes. We see for a lot for Jonathan and a lot for Aubrey. They didn't even do the opportun take the opportunity to do like the J O and see what the rest happened.

SPEAKER_02 53:48

I was gonna say the same thing. They they could have thrown Joe a bow. A bone. I know in and at least letting us think somebody might have written down his name, but they were like, who are we kidding?

SPEAKER_00 54:02

This is I think because he was we don't know what he said, but he said, like, I don't want people to remember me as the one vote finalist. I want them to remember me for being the the we all we recorded, we rewinded so many times, Lucas.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Vocal, noble, the the close captioning thought he said vulnerable. Please write in somebody please DM me on missed the boat pod on Instagram because Yeah, tell us what he said. What did he what did Joe say?

SPEAKER_00 54:34

What did the Joe say? Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

Um, okay, yeah, so then you had a critique on how we transition. I so Jeff reveals the vote. Maybe that's what you were gonna get into. I don't need to steal your thunder.

SPEAKER_00 54:51

Well, no, the thing is, I even saw an email today that I got that said, vote for how Jeff will enter the finale by helicopter, jet ski, speedboat, a trek. And I guess the fans voted for a trek. I mean, he just walked. Usually it's a very cool scene. They obviously recorded her earlier, but like he like, you know, gets on a helicopter in Fiji and then like gets off a helicopter at the Paramount lot, and then he walks on to the stage with the votes. It's very cool. They did not do that this season, and I was so sad.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

And I thought your critique, I didn't I think even realize the full extent of it, because for me, I was just like, I kind of get it, but they put the survivor title card like logo up to transition between the old footage of him in Fiji carrying the urn through the woods to then cut to him on set walking through the woods. Even if you just didn't put the survivor logo title card there in the transition, I think the illusion would have at least been a little bit more effective.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

But yeah, it was it was a little bad. It was worse than normal. It was a lot worse. So I'm sad you don't get to like again, like if we're gonna do if we're gonna do it, let's do it all the way.

SPEAKER_02 56:12

They're rusty. It's been what five years since they had to do a live finale.

SPEAKER_00 56:16

They were man, are they rusty, shaken off the stuff? And you know what? Also, I do have to give a little, I do have to give I I remembered that I saw recently that Jeff Probe's brother died like a week ago, like maybe two weeks ago. Oh so I do want to like I feel like I was being really harsh on him last night, but then now I kind of remember that. So I'm gonna be a little bit more respectful. But yeah, I would be, I would not be doing great either. Not being able to read it till I get to the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 56:44

Yes, we'll give him some grace there. They read the votes. I mean, this felt like I said, from shamotion, but this has been a foregone conclusion. Aubrey is the winner of season 50 in the hands of the brands, and this is very exciting. I'm very happy for her. Um I'm glad in a s you said this in a season where Survivor was pretty much hating on the girls, at least a woman won. And right Tiff called that out in her final tribal. We did not talk about this, and Jeff was like, is that just because he likes Joe better than you? It maybe it's not because you're a woman, Tiff. Maybe it's because he has an alliance with Joe.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

And I was like, um it felt it was interesting because, like, okay, I kind of alluded to this earlier. That has not really previously been Survivor's MO. They are not like shut up about it. That they are like, this is a microcosm of the real world, and like things are gonna happen. And people talked a lot about how being, you know, marginalized might have messed things up, but they are like trying to squeaky clean this, and I can't help but wonder if it has to do with like where we are as a country that like no sexism and racism don't exist. Like that has been the critique of the season, and it's very interesting that it came up in Final Tribal and Jeff already had a talking point on it. It kind of weirded me out.

SPEAKER_02 58:20

Yeah, I at least celebrate that a woman brought it home. Um, and I do think Aubrey on the whole, she played a good game, she really was, and they talk about this in the jury. Like, she was ping-ponging back and forth. She knew when to jump ship, and she did it expertly, and it got her to the end. Somehow she stayed under the radar all the way up until at least final four, and then she won the one challenge she needed to. So I am happy for her. Of the final five, she's the one I wanted to win. I kind of would have liked. I think if Rizzo had had his David and Goliath moment and had beaten fire, like it would have been cool to to maybe see him.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

Uh definitely. I'm 100%.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

But I'm happy for Aubrey. She also gets a car. I was less impressed with that.

SPEAKER_00 59:13

How did they do that? I was like, I you were like, I'd be so mad. I'm like, I'm not gonna be mad, but I'm gonna be wildly confused. Like, anyone can give me a car anytime. Like, I'll find a place for it.

SPEAKER_02 59:24

They make her run like through the whole studio and back lot to go find it, and it wasn't that cute. And I was like, yes, okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

I think I thought it was a little bit cute.

SPEAKER_02 59:37

Well, then that would explain why you wouldn't be pissed. But I was like, girl, I didn't, I don't want this car. And I'm just like, you've just won two million dollars. Yes, a free car is great, but this is such a small portion of your net wealth now that I'd I again, maybe just because I didn't think it was cute. I was like, I'd rather pick my own car, thank you. Like, I I want to pick a cute one, I can afford it. They didn't get to a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 59:59

That's a very good point. I mean, no, like why did it have to be so far away? Why, like they're taking away from her moment a little bit. I mean, and the reunion that did not exist. I mean, they just wanted they're having people run laps. Speaking of, yes, who also won tonight, our girl Cari.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

Of course. Oh, love her.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:19

She also won the Spirit of Survivor Award. Don't forget.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:23

Of course, the fire rock that they're the lava, yeah. They're like, look what our art department made for you in in sculpture class this week. But very sweet. I think they could have combined those two segments though. They did not need a separate, like, we love you, Siri. Here's your lifetime achievement award, and we're gonna give you $100,000 later in the finale. Like, why were those two separate things?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

I have no idea. That was strange to me. Well, because I was like, I she better still win the SEO award when she won the Blava Rock.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

We uh speaking of the reunion, or I would say lack thereof, I think this is another critique I had about this episode. The jury, like I said, kind of I felt like they came out of nowhere and they were like, oh, I am supposed to care about these players again because they are the final arbiters of the winner. Beyond even the jury, who we just see in that final tribal, you then have all of these non-jury members that are in LA, are there, they dressed up, they're on stage, and we don't hear like a word from them. They are just sitting there and so weird. I would have really enjoyed an well, not even an extra half hour, but we could have shaved a half hour out of this finale and put it at the end and post Aubrey's win, given them a chance for a proper reunion. I would have, I think hundred percent. I think I would have felt better about the whole season with because that is also the conclusion, like that is the the wrap-up and the reflection and the you've got these people gathered here a year later. I want to hear them talk about it. I want to hear Rizzo in his first live finale talk about what it's actually like to be like perceived as a TV personality. He talked about it just a little bit, but this was a big question of mine when we first started watching this season was like, he's never seen himself on TV before. How has he adjusted to the public reaction? What has that been like? Like, but especially Jenna, Colby, like all of these Camilla, Charlie, like these pre-Jury.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:29

You know, they could have asked him that. I mean, they talked to Rizzo how many times? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

A couple more than they meant to.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

But like they definitely, that's a good question. No, it it felt like, and I made fun of Jeff. It's like, he's like the Wizard of Oz, like he's giving away everybody, like their little tokens of achievement. And it's just a little bit awkward when you could be asking real questions. It just, I don't know. I think maybe because there was some negative backlash about the season, like they were like, We're not giving these people a chance to speak freely on our show. I kind of think that's what happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:03

Yeah, yeah. I loved the Wizard of Oz comparison. We've talked about how he gives Ozzy the shirt and Cerie the fire rock. He gives Devons the uh coin from the coin flip. From the coin flip. Those those are heart, brain, and home. What's the other one? Courage.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:22

I was like, Yeah, I just the finale the I I liked it being a live finale because I actually love that they just didn't know who the winner was this whole time. Like, and I actually believe it didn't get out. Jonathan looked shocked to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:39

I didn't honestly, I did not give that man a second thought after Aubrey won. I didn't even notice, but he seemed upset.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

He's kind of being a sort of loser, I feel. But I mean it is, but it also you get the raw emotions of like that you've been sitting on for so long. I don't know. I kind of I liked I liked how everything ended up in the end, personally.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:00

Yeah, I think I do, I feel I would give the finale like a two out of five to circle back, but the season like a three, maybe three and a half out of five. Um I can't believe we did it. We've we've watched a whole season of survivors.