#8 : “Is Your Purpose Actually a Trauma Response?” with Steve Nagib on Justin Cole

After one of the most talked-about episodes yet with Justin Cole, Larry Yatch and Steve Nagib return for a powerful Q&A unpacking the listener questions that struck the deepest nerve.

Can trauma secretly shape your purpose?

 Why do some people never feel like they belong?

 Is self-sabotage actually a subconscious survival strategy?

 And can true healing happen alone?

In this episode, Larry and Steve dive into:
 ▪️ trauma and hidden purpose
 ▪️ near-death experiences and consciousness
 ▪️ subconscious survival patterns
 ▪️ parenting without performance-based love
 ▪️ healing through community and connection
 ▪️ the Pyramid of Consciousness
 ▪️ the difference between purpose and calling

This conversation explores the hidden truths beneath ambition, identity, suffering, belonging, and what it really means to heal.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Every person that I've talked to or worked with that had a near-death experience at birth, they have one foot in this world and one foot out. What I mean by that is uh they don't ever feel like they fit. Uh they don't feel completely tethered or connected to this world. And I think that is due to the fact that being alive is one of the cruelest jokes possible. We have an infinite consciousness stuck inside a finite body and finite mind. Like that's that's just mean. Like, that is not very nice to have infinite consciousness, infinite creativity, infinite connection, jumped into a body that has a beginning and an end, a mind that has a beginning and an end. So if you and I Steve have the same strategy of survival that everything's gonna go bad for us, I will not see that trauma in you, and you won't see it in me. And you can't help me with it, and I can't help you with it. And so the invisible nature of the our subconscious strategies is why the only answer to true healing comes through community. Because every strategy of survival, meaning every strategy that any human has ever used to protect themselves, is always a strategy of disconnection or discount. I believe that the core purpose in our life, which is, as we talked about putting an infinite consciousness into a finite realm, is to experience separation. Experience trauma. In experiencing trauma, we create strategies of disconnection and the opportunity to heal from it. When a positive opportunity is critical, there are many people that will go through their entire lives living in significant trauma, bringing disconnection to themselves, others, and all that's greater than them, and will never choose to heal from it, and that's okay. And so it is merely an opportunity to heal from it. In the healing from it, what we do is bring a truth, a capital T truth into the world, because the other side of every trauma, lowercase t trauma is a capital T truth, if you have the courage to heal from it. So that you don't have to just hear me drone on and on uh and read stuff from a piece of paper. So, Steve, welcome back, and I look forward to jumping into this. That was such an amazing episode with Justin.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Yeah, I'm stoked. There were some really, really cool themes that came out with Justin. Um, I heard a lot around um the fact that he thought he was broken, right? And that because he was broken, you guys got into, or because he thought he was broken, you guys got into hey, did did my trauma actually pick my purpose? And then you rounded it out with, you know, what if life were easy? And uh I'm super excited to dive into this. If you guys didn't meet me on the last QA episode, I'm just here to make sure Larry doesn't call everyone who submits questions wrong, which is my favorite job. Um, and to ping pong a little bit back and forth. So let's jump into this. Um, Larry, this is from a gentleman named David. He listened to your episode and then he wrote in to us. He said, When Justin said I didn't feel like I belonged there, I had to pause the episode. I'm 42 years old, this is David, and I've never felt like I belonged anywhere. Not at work, not in my friend group, not even in my own family sometimes. I've always worked hard to earn my spot. Hearing you say that that's a strategy of survival and not just who I am honestly shook me. How do I even begin to untangle something that is all that has already and has always been running my entire life?

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Uh I wish we had David on the line if that we had an actual line anymore. Because I would David. Well, I'd ask him a question or two, and I would be I need to ask one or two questions, but what would come up, I think inevitably, is I'd be willing to bet that David had a near-death experience at birth. So I'd be willing to bet that, right? I I'd need one or two more pieces of information, but I think with that, that's a it's a relatively uh solid guess.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Yeah, why do you think that? Because you and I have talked about this, and I I've actually had a near-death experience at birth, so I can really actually play David.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Oh, yeah, me too, right? So uh one of the common themes that I've seen, and this is uh now probably 20 out of 20, like it's it's not it started off as one or two, but then it's gotten to a point now where it's it's about 20 out of 20 times. So uh every person that I've talked to or worked with that had a near-death experience at birth, uh they have one foot in this world and one foot out. What I mean by that is uh they don't ever feel like they fit. Uh they don't feel completely tethered or connected to this world. And I think that is due to the fact that being alive is one of the cruelest jokes possible.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Tell me.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

Meaning uh we have an infinite consciousness stuck inside a finite body and finite mind. Like that's that's just mean. Like that is not very nice to have infinite consciousness, infinite creativity, infinite connection, shoved into a body that has a beginning and an end, a mind that has a beginning and an end. Like our minds are not infinite and our bodies are not infinite, but our consciousness is. That's a cruel joke. Uh most humans uh don't experience the infiniteness of their consciousness. So it's not that bad of a joke because all they ex all they have is the finite nature of their bodies and their minds. Um as you increase consciousness, and there are different ways to do that, like what we do here at Capital T Truth is that, right? We increase consciousness by bringing the what's hidden in the shadows of the subconscious into the conscious and the mind that expands consciousness. You can do it through meditation, you can do it through uh plant medicines, there's all sorts of different avenues for doing that. But one of the biggest ways to do that is through near-death experiences, right? Because in that place, especially as a little baby that has no programming yet in its mind, in its fixed mind, uh, that tiny little baby touches infinite again. Because what exists for us through death, and death is the only door in which we can walk, that we shed the finite nature of our body and mind. So through a near-death experience, you shed that finite nature and you touch infinite again. And I think that's why everyone that has those experiences, at least as a child that I've seen, uh baby that I've seen, uh they know that they get to experience infinite again. And coming back here kind of sucks. And uh you're you're no longer tethered to this finite realm as much. And so I wouldn't be surprised if uh it was David, right? If David had a near-death experience at birth. And I've freaked so many people out because they'll say something like what David said, and and then I'll ask the next question, did you have a near-death experience of birth? And they will like look at me like I'm crazy and then say yes. And so I think the biggest lesson we can take from from David's question is the fact that being alive and being human is challenging based on the fact that you're shoving an infinite consciousness into a finite mind, a finite body. Uh, and I don't remember what David's question was. What did he have a different question? I just remember getting triggered on wishing he was here so I could pull my magic trick again.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

No, you've definitely uh you've definitely pulled that magic trick with me. I remember the first time you uh you re you used the word prenatal death with me, and I was like, what are you talking about? What does that even mean? And we went on to figure out like I actually experienced that. I I knew the story of how my mom gave birth to me. I was like, I don't remember this. Um, but I think it's worth uh I'm gonna read David's question again, but I want to make one one clarifying statement. I think it's worth saying, because on one hand, Larry, you said we all have infinite consciousness, and then on the other hand, you said we're trying to increase our consciousness. And and I want to make sure the listener knows that you're talking, like how like I can see somebody saying, listening to this and saying, well, if it's infinite, how do I increase it? And really what you're talking about is we're born with infinite consciousness, our infinite consciousness takes finite form, but our experience of consciousness is what we're trying to increase. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Is it subconscious, right? Subconscious is just everything that's occurring below the surface of our awareness. So to become more conscious, you increase your awareness. Hence what we're talking about, taking more of the lowercase t's and turning them into uppercase t's, right? Lowercase Ts being truths that we make up that are not true, and those are live in our subconscious mind, and bringing those untruths to the surface so we can look at them and then decide to have them be true or continue to live in untruth.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Yep, exactly. And the essence, um, you you basically answered it, but I want to circle back. The essence of uh David's question is that he's never fit in, right? And uh he's always had to work harder to earn his spot. Hearing you on the episode with Justin say that that's a strategy of survival shook him. So his direct question was how do I even begin to untangle something that's been running my entire life the answer I just gave, awareness, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:03

Yep, exactly. Bringing awareness to it, right? Paying attention to it. Uh the key word that he said that live it lives in falsehood is earning, right? So earning his spot. Now, there's a difference. We had uh what was about a month ago, we had episodes with Matt Euler and we had some QA around that. Uh, and one of the QA was around um suffering and sacrificing for love or can creating a conditional relationship with love. So that would be go find that episode and listen to it, because that'll add more grounding here. But as soon as you live in a world where you have to earn your spot, or a better way to say it, because spot is a little sketchy. If he means spot is in like spot on the basketball team, yes, you do. You have to be valuable in some way, shape, or form. You do have to earn your spot on a team. What he's referring to is connection.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Yeah, and belonging.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

So he's saying I have to, I have to earn the connection that I feel my belonging, and that's not true, right? So connection love is infinite, just like our consciousness. And saying that I have to earn it creates a conditional relationship with it, which ensures that you'll never have it. And so that's the key piece. But again, we need David to know if he means like earn a spot on his basketball team, then you're right. You have to make some baskets if that's how basketball works. As you know, if it's got a ball or a team, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

You're a great team player, but your hand eye coordination, you're better at uh jumping out of airplanes and paragliding.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Well, I have really good hand eye coordination to give me a gun. We'll see. We'll we'll test that. But ball hand coordination, not very good.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Got it. Noted, noted. Um, I love it. Let's let's jump in. This message is from or this question is from Katie, and I feel like I need to start asking people where they're from because I want to be like, Katie from Wisconsin. Like, Katie, where are you in the world? Um, so she listened to your episode with Justin and she submitted this. She says, Larry, you said our traumas pick our purpose in life, and that basically every major life decision Justin made was driven by his subconscious trying to prove he wasn't broken. That's a pretty bold statement, Katie says. What about people who feel genuinely called to something? Like a doctor who always wanted to help people, or a musician who's been playing piano since they were three. Katie's question is, is every purpose just a trauma response? Because if so, that's a that seems like a depressing way to look at life.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Uh take a look at the phone. If you're a really good piano player and you're a really good surgeon, I guarantee that your trauma's picked your purpose. Uh if you're doing it that since you've been three and you've done no no personal development work or or have not increased your consciousness, I can almost guarantee that it's picked your purpose. Is it are their purposes driven by our subconscious? Yes, most of ours are. If you have unrecognized and unresolved trauma, if you have recognized and you have resolved, meaning brought into your conscious mind your subconscious strategies of survival, then all of a sudden we start to become it starts to become possible that we can have or know our true purpose. Uh I don't know if we'll go into well, actually, I know we have. So uh one of our content episodes is on the pyramid of consciousness. Go find that one. Like everyone that if you haven't heard the pyramid of conscious one, go find it. Uh, if we've if we've launched it, we'll make sure it's linked in here in this the description of this one because that's a big one. The pyramid of consciousness describes the different levels of consciousness, subconscious, conscious, and higher consciousness. The important part of this aspect for this question of the pyramid of consciousness is that the lower levels of consciousness have to be taken care of before we get to the higher levels. Meaning, if we are stuck in our subconscious need for survival, you can never live to your calling. You can't live in your purpose. Now, a calling and a purpose is a different thing. If I live in my traumas, I can have a purpose driven by my traumas. That's not the same as a calling. A calling is the the universe's clearest expression of you as a person, right? That's the universe calling you into your perfection. You can't do that living in subconscious fear or even conscious want. And so very few people have healed to a point where they have let go, taken care of all their needs and let go of all their wants to be able to actually step into their calling. So when I hear purpose, and what I was referring to with Justin was his calling. And I believe that his calling has been expressed in the second half of his life, not the first half. Right. And so that's where I say that uh most of our purposes are driven by our traumas. If they are unrecognized and unresolved, if you've increased your consciousness to recognize and resolve those, taking care of your needs, taking care of your wants, then all of a sudden you now have the potential to actually fulfill your calling, which I think is the greatest purpose that we can have.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

I think you're spot on. I have a quick question because this is because I'm curious. Is that pyramid of consciousness tool that that you've talked about in on your podcast episodes and that you and I have talked about, is that something people can Google, or is that a Larry create original creation?

SPEAKER_00 16:46

That is a it again, it's it's Larry's version of a fundamental truth. Right? So it's my take on a fundamental truth. Like Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a different is his take on the fundamental truth of the pyramid of consciousness. So no, I mean, I don't know if they search my name in pyramid of consciousness, I'm sure something will come up, but it isn't that narrative on that fundamental truth is not common. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 17:18

100%, yeah. Yeah, I think that Maslow, I think everyone's familiar with Maslow's hierarchy just because it's it's made its way into mainstream textbooks, but you're absolutely right. Like Maslow didn't make that up. Like that is a fundamental and universal truth.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

And you know, Maslow put his flavor on it, just like I can't remember the guy's name that did the frequencies, the the frequencies of emotion. It's the same thing, you know, low frequencies live in the subconscious fear, guilt, hate, you know, hate. And then as you elevate to the higher frequencies, you get to uh more connection, love, infinite nature. And so that uh I forget whatever that guy's it what that guy's name was, but it's his flavor of the same fundamental truth. So, yes, that's just my take on the same thing that establishes the truth that these other people have put their flavor on.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Nice. I like it. I like it. Let's keep rolling with these questions. This one's from Jonathan. Jonathan, I wish I knew where in the world you were. Uh Jonathan said, Larry, you said something that really stuck with me. That Justin's subconscious couldn't allow full success because that because then he'd have to let go of the belief that he's broken. I think I'm doing the same thing. Every time something good happens in my life, I find a way to sabotage it. New relationship, fight. Promotion starts lacking off. But here's my question. If my subconscious is that powerful, how do I beat something I can't even see? Isn't it like isn't that fighting an invisible enemy?

SPEAKER_00 18:54

It is an invisible enemy, and it it's really invisible to one person. Who do you think it's invisible to? You, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Like Yeah, there's I think at that Carol Dweck that can't read the label from inside the bottle.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Yeah, so it now it will also be invisible to others that live in the same trauma or the same strategy of survival. So if you and I, Steve, have the same strategy of survival that everything's gonna go bad for us, I will not see that trauma in you, and you won't see it in me. And you can't help me with it, and I can't help you with it. And so the the invisible nature of those our subconscious strategies is why the only answer to true healing comes through community. Because every strategy of survival, meaning every strategy that any human has ever used to protect themselves, is always a strategy of disconnection or distance, creating distance from themselves, creating distance from others, creating distance from all that's greater than us. And therefore, the universal solution to that is connection or love. And so ultimately what I've found is that it is impossible to truly heal your trauma alone. It's just not possible. It's not possible because your trauma will always be invisible to you until you have community help both be a mirror and show you where your traumas live. And then as you increase your consciousness, as we shine lights and take the camouflage off the trauma, you now can't help but see it throughout your life, and that's where you start to make new choices. And so the real answer to his question is community, and hence why True Pathmastery exists, hence why we started the podcast. We do this as much for ourselves because the more people that are on the train, the more likely that we are to be able to heal ourselves, to come into full consciousness ourselves, and in doing so, we get to help others as well.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Yeah, I always think of the this this always shuts some people off, but I say it, I say it uh before I say this, I'm gonna challenge you to like hear me all the way out, but think of cave people, right? Like we have come so far in technology, and it's an amazing thing, but it's also made us super individualistic, right? And when I hear you talk about community, Larry, and it through the lens of the subconscious and survival, you know, you and I have had infinite amount of conversation around how the only way cave people could survive, right, before any technology was was through community, right? Tribalism, community taking care of each other. And and when I when you talk about community around subconscious and and identifying these strategies in each other. It just takes me back there and it reminds me how important community, connection, friendship, relationships are. We can't survive alone, physically. Like literally, we can't. And it's funny, I had a conversation with someone yesterday. They're like, what do you mean I can survive alone? I can order everything I want off Amazon. It's like, okay, let me get rid of all of the Amazon drivers and all the people who work the warehouses and everyone that delivers the stuff to you. It's like much less really. Oh, yeah, way, way back. Like you've coordinated action by ordering something on Amazon with 38 people you'll never meet, right? Get rid of all of them, all of a sudden it's like, wait, I can't survive alone in this world.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Yeah, it's impossible. We technology allows us to trick ourselves into thinking we can. Which is just what creates more isolation, which enables our traumas to live longer, to rule our lives more.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

It's the most uh scholarly way I've ever heard anyone say stop doom scrolling.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

I don't even know what that is.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

I know, that's the best part. Doom scrolling is when uh people my age just sit on Instagram for hours and scroll through social media. Oh you should not do it.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

That would be that is definitely a recipe for a disaster.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Yep, yep, I love it. Um speaking of recipes, uh, this is a topic that I know that you are uh highly versed in, not just because you have your two boys, um, but because you've been on different podcasts talking about parenting. And um Peter is talking about his son here, and what Peter wrote in was, Larry, you basically said something, said that becoming a Navy SEAL was not your true purpose. It was a manifestation of your trauma. Then you suggested the same thing about Justin wanting to be an NFL quarterback. Well, sounds like Peter has a 16-year-old son who wants to play D1 football more than anything in the world. He trains six days a week, and it is absolutely his son's identity. Is Peter supposed to sit down and tell him that his dream might just be a trauma response? And if so, how does he have that conversation without crushing his son?

SPEAKER_00 24:14

This would be one question I can't answer. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Um And I I said that you have experience in this for the listeners that that that are listening that don't know very well. He's got an he's got a nine and an 11-year-old, two boys at home. So when he says I don't know and rubs his eyes, it's it's because he's yeah, what's good?

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Like, have you ever had heard me say I don't know what the answer is to something? Probably not. No. So uh this is a the reason I say I don't know is there it's a conundrum here. So um I would not be able to provide the benefit to all of you on this show, all of my clients, which we're talking thousands of people, right? Had I not suffered the trauma of being a Navy SEAL. Suffering the trauma of being a Navy SEAL came from my traumas from second grade. Right? So without my traumas from second grade, I wouldn't have developed the drive and the perseverance necessary to be a Navy SEAL, which just reinforced those lessons and ultimately made my life worse. But it is through the healing of that that the good of capital T truth comes from, true path comes from. And so ultimately the purpose of our life is to experience trauma and be given the opportunity to choose to have the courage to heal from it, which then brings into the world a lesson that only we can bring in. And I I you really need to rewind that and let's say that again. The words are is very dense, and there's a lot of super careful words with that one. So I believe that the core purpose in our life, which is as we talked about, putting an infinite consciousness into a finite realm, is to experience separation, to experience trauma. And experiencing trauma, we create strategies of disconnection and the opportunity to heal from them. I'm gonna pause there. Opportunity is critical. There are many people that will go through their entire lives living in significant trauma, bringing disconnection to themselves, others, and all that's greater than them, and will never choose to heal from it. And that's okay. And so it is merely an opportunity to heal from it. In the healing from it, what we do is bring a truth, a capital T truth into the world. Because the other side of every trauma, lowercase T trauma is a capital T truth, if you have the courage to heal from it. And what's unique about that is we and our our experiences and our unique manifestation of divine in this form is the only one that can bring my lesson in. And Steve, you can bring yours in, it's different. And David and all the other people that sent in questions, uh, their healing journey will be unique, and the capital T truth that will be useful for all of us in the world can only come through them. And so when we look at what should I do for my son, I'm not sure. The reason I'm not sure is uh I have created a world where I have minimized the potential for trauma in my boys' lives simply because I have a clear focus to try to ensure that they have a perception of some influence, some control in their worlds, which is the uh antidote to trauma. Because trauma comes from a perceived loss of control. If you always have a perceived sense of influence and control, then you're minimizing your opportunities for trauma. And in doing so, we've also created a world where they feel unconditionally loved, meaning they don't have to earn love from anyone in their lives. Uh, what that has produced are two boys that have no drive to perform, not at a high level, which is different than their mother, different than me, different than their stepmother, like all of us super high functioning people, significantly driven because of our traumas. These boys don't. Now, do I believe that they're going to be useless in life? No, I don't think so. I think they're gonna be happy. That's crazy. Like, and they're gonna be happy in producing value to the level that they need to produce value to be happy with their life and live in a world where they don't have to perform for love. So would I do I want either one of them to be an NHL NHL NFL quarterback? No, if they want to, will they? I doubt it. I don't think it's possible because to be a NFL quarterback, you have to be in trauma, you have to be in suffering and sacrifice, and so within that, I think creating a world where they live in unconditional love, uh, where they live in a minimization of trauma will result in a world where they will not exceed, significantly exceed performance. Now, they're both gifted boys, they could find up their calling, as we talked about earlier, and in their calling put their gifts, their skills, and they will be able to produce an amazing result in that and be happy, which is different than every high-performing person I know who produces big results at the cost of their happiness. So, on one hand, the answer is let him go be a quarterback and be the invitation for healing when he needs it eventually, and he'll bring some amazing lesson into the world that will benefit the world, or you can heal his trauma now, and most likely he won't be a uh NFL quarterback, but he may live a much happier life than if he had. Does that require him to not excel? No, because notice I said my boys still may live in their calling, fulfill a driven purpose, use their gifts and skills, and be happy. So uh I just think it's unlikely. That's why I don't know. And it's really, I don't know how much of it is his decision or not. That's a very, I don't know, complicated answer.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

I was gonna say, I was gonna have to translate some of that, but I think you actually nailed it, Larry. Um, one, I've never seen a question stump you, which is why I I could barely read it because I was like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Well, it didn't stump me, it's just like I don't have the answer. Like, there is no right answer to that question. I can just tell you the mechanisms that occur in the background, and then you get to decide what to do. I guess that's a a different. I'm so damn literal, right? Because of the autism that like I cannot and the robot cannot answer the question as stated.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

So yeah, yep, and that's where that's where I wanted because you talked about a lot of stuff there, and that's where I wanted to wrap it all up in the bow and say, like, it almost doesn't matter, right? Like, what no matter which way you go, something great is gonna be brought into the world. And on one hand, he's an NFL quarterback, and you get to invite him to produce connection later in life. On the other hand, you're producing connection now, and maybe there's no quarterback, but there's uh there's different things that end up prospering. So it's funny to say, I think, in my opinion, what I would say, um, my answer is it it doesn't matter. So let the universe do, the universe's thing, and and uh, and we can all we can do is the best we we can with the information we have on hand at the time, which is which is how I sleep out.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

I do have an opinion.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Delayed on us.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Yeah, so my opinion on what you should do, I think every parent should strive to to create an environment where their children live in the experience of unconditional love, meaning love without any performance. I think that all parents should strive to create a world where they are uh empowering their children to feel some sense of influence on their environments to minimize the uh the creation of traumas. And I think that every parent should be an invitation to healing for their children, and the only way they can do that is to heal yourself. I think that every parent should do those three things, and ultimately what happens with your child is going to be good. Uh is that gonna produce uh what's who's the golfer? Tiger Woods? Probably not, right? But at least from what I've been seeing, not the happiest guy, right? Not the best life, even though there's high performance. That's where for my boys, I will 100% sacrifice them being the best at the world for something if they get to experience a good life every day of their life.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Love it. I love it. With that, Larry, uh, I think that's it for today, man. That was uh Justin's episode was good. I think it provoked some good questions, and like always, I enjoy having these episodes with you. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Yeah, it was uh as usual, like I said, I love these questions. Uh I love these shows with questions because it gives me the opportunity to have direct impact on our listeners. So, with that being said, thank you for participating in another Capital T Truth podcast. And with that, there's more for you to do if you want. If you want to go deeper in this and and uncover more of your uh subconscious patterns of survival, increase your consciousness and create a better life for you and everyone you love. Uh, go to truepathmastery.com and on that you'll see what we do as a company, as well as there's a podcast tab. And in that podcast tab, you can uh subscribe to all our channels, as well as uh what I think is the most important stuff is uh send us questions. The other thing that we do is uh we have listeners as guests. So it's through that website that you get to, if you want to come on here and and like just and be able to experience uh the the joy, I'm gonna say joy, at least from my side of it, of uncovering some of your unconscious strategies of survival and fix some of it live. We would we love having listeners as guests. So you can uh contact support there at podcast at truepathmastery.com or on the website, be able to click there and we look forward to hearing more from all of you in the future. Thank you for joining us and remember to always live in Capital T True. Thank you for joining another episode of Capital T Truth. Go to TruePathmastery.com and you'll see a podcast link there. Within that, you can subscribe to all our channels, get notified when our new episodes are coming up, as well as be able to reach us to send us questions. You can send that to podcast at TruePathmastery.com. And if you send us that email for us to submit it to our through the website, we'll be able to get you a question at the five.