She Built a Million Dollar Business and Cried in Her Car | Sailynn Doyle

What if you hit the revenue goal and instead of freedom, you got more trapped? Sailynn Doyle built a million dollar business and was working 80 hours a week, crying in her car at 9am on a Tuesday. Not because something went wrong. Because nothing felt the way she thought it would.

In this episode, Desi sits down with Sailynn to explore why revenue going up while freedom goes down is an identity problem disguised as a business problem, what the shift from operator to leader actually looks like on the inside, and why the women who scale without burning out all make the same internal shift first.

If you've been stuck doing everything yourself and wondering why the business still feels heavy, this conversation will change how you see the problem.

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Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz - https://amzn.to/4m5b4dH

Atomic Habits by James Clear - https://amzn.to/4m5b4dH

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Had just hit a million dollars in revenue. And instead of popping the champagne and celebrating, I was sitting in my car at 9 a.m. on a weekday morning sobbing my eyes out.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Today I'm talking to Saline Doyle. She built a million-dollar business working 80-hour weeks. She hit a breaking point and figured out how to scale to 17 million working 16-hour weeks. In this conversation, we're exploring the identity shift that made that possible. How did that happen?

SPEAKER_01 0:36

That is such a great question. And you know, you are probably one of thousands that has asked me that question. And that's why I went into coaching, is because so many women asked. But, you know, when you talk about identity shifts, it that's really what it was. It was a back in 2010, I had just hit a million dollars in revenue. And instead of popping the champagne and celebrating, I was sitting in my car at 9 a.m. on a weekday month morning, sobbing my eyes out because I had been up since four. I had just done a shift with a client for a staff member who had no showed. And I still had another 12-hour day ahead of me. And I had been working those 80-hour weeks for three years. And I that was my moment sitting in that car, like drawing that line in the sand that's saying something had to change. And that identity shift was really me thinking I had just built another nine to five, actually, two, it was 80 hours a week. Right. Right. To really becoming a leader, an entrepreneur, excuse me, like that person who truly was going to build a successful business and was no longer just piecing things together. So it was really a moment in time that allowed me to do that.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

That's amazing. So before that shift, what did a typical week look like for you?

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Oh gosh. I don't think there was anything typical except for the hours. It was like 16-hour days. I would literally get up, get dressed, go to the office, and then work all day long until I kind of drove back the hour home, crashed, and you know, went to bed. But I was doing anything from daily operations, so hiring team members, screening interviews to providing client care when I had to, when we didn't have someone, because I owned a senior home care franchise and we ran 24 hours a day. And so I was in what I call the growth phase. And this was, you know, on my way to a million dollars in revenue. It was, I did anything. It was marketing, it was billing at night, it was designing the flyers that I was going to use for marketing. It was doing sales calls with potential clients. It was everything and anything. Um, because and I had a team, but it was just that overflow work that needed to get done. Or back then, because I didn't have the systems in place, you know, the work that I was fixing behind the scenes because maybe what they had done didn't meet my expectations. So uh there was probably, you could say a typical day was 16 hours, but there was nothing typical about it. It was just depending on which fire I was putting out that day.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Wow, that sounds incredible and crazy. So, what did what did your nervous system feel like when you were trying to make the shift from 80 hours to um, you know, a different way of doing things?

SPEAKER_01 3:59

You know, I think that's such a great question because when you're in it day to day, like most of the women that I work with now, they're around that million dollar mark and they are in the daily operations and they're so involved that they don't even know how their nervous system feels. Um, you feel like this is what's required, right? But if I look back now, I can tell you I definitely had anxiety. There was definitely a lot of crying fits. Um, you know, there was definitely the exhaustion, the burnout, uh, the fatigue, the brain fog, you know. I really thought that it was, I was only in my 20s at the time, as I really thought, like, why am I struggling to figure these things out? And it was because my brain was just on such overload. Um, so now I can see from the outside what other women are going through. But I think when you're so in it, we've been so programmed as society to hustle harder. And if you want to be successful, this is what you have to do. And so you just think this is what's required and this is what's normal, but it's really not. And I can tell you personally, I did a lot of damage mentally, physically, and spiritually to my, you know, body and mind over those three years that, you know, came back 10 years later and kind of bit me in the butt that I had to, you know, fix later on that I didn't even realize. And that's why I do what I do because I know these women don't see what's really going on because they're so stuck in the day-to-day in that growth phase.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Yes. So what do you see in your work? I know you say you see them kind of having the same patterns you did, but what what do you see the women that you work with struggling with the most when it comes to stepping into the next level or expanding beyond what they're accustomed to?

SPEAKER_01 6:05

So overall, everything seems very heavy, right? It's like you have the weight of everything on your shoulders. You know, when you had a job prior, it was like, okay, you went to your job and then you went home, right? But when you're an entrepreneur, you literally have that weight on your shoulders 24-7. And so everything feels heavy. But the things that I really see that they're struggling with is everything requires their attention or approval, right? So if, you know, a member of their team has something, it's like, okay, let me look at it before you put it out there. Or if, you know, they're working with an agency or anything, it's like, okay, you know, let me just sign off on that before it goes out. So there's that piece of it. Then the other piece of it is that they really have everything in their head, right? There's no systems, everything is put together with duct tape. It's like piece, peace, piece, fan-aids, fan-sies, band-aids. And you're really at a point where you might have some control issues because you're free to let anyone see what's going on behind the scenes because you know that most of it is in your head. And so it has to go through you. And so you just say, oh, I have control issues, but it's because you have your entire business undocumented and it's just a swirl in your head, which then leads to that brain fog and overwhelm, right? And then the third thing that I see is that there's just a lot of moving pieces. So between technology and tools and all the different shiny objects that we have nowadays, you know, maybe they sign up for some piece of software that's supposed to make their life easier, but they still have an old piece. And then there's that like piece that they had when they first started. And so there's a lot of things being pieced together that is really just weighing them down and causing them to work more hours, causing their team to not be able to figure things out on their own. And like I said, it really you can sum it up is everything just feels heavy. Like you just, why is this so hard?

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Yes. So what do they think the problem is before like actually seeking help or like figuring out like, okay, like there's something else? Strategy alone is not gonna cut it, or working more hours is not gonna cut it.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Yeah. So I think the big thing, it's kind of like the song, you know, more money, more problems, kind of. But, you know, we just think, oh, if we get to that next revenue level, right? But the women that I work with, they're around that million dollars, they've got there and they're saying to themselves, well, I got to a million and I thought that was gonna fix everything, but it really hasn't. It's just amplified all the problems that you had on a smaller scale. But the problem is, is when you hit a million, your revenue increased, but your freedom decreased, right? And what this shows is that you have this structural gap, right? Because a business is built on a structural foundation. And when you have that gap where your revenue is going up, but your freedom's going down, that's because you're holding everything together with those band-aids, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Um, and so that's I think one of the first things that women see. The other thing that they see is that their profit may be going down. So they're making more money, but they're not revenue-wise in the business. The business is making more revenue, but their personal paycheck may not be as much as it was the year before, and they can't put two and two together on why this is happening.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Wow. Um, so before you were saying that they have like trouble kind of like delegating and letting everybody else handle, like, you know, take over. So at what point do they like let go or start like, okay, like I need to, you know, delegate a little bit more or implement other other systems?

SPEAKER_01 10:29

That's such a great question, right? Like, where is that magic moment that you feel comfortable letting go? So honestly, it comes in a process, right? So I have a four-part framework. And the first one is structure, and this is what we get really clear on what your business stands for, your business mission, vision, and values. And this needs to be so clear. This is why billion-dollar companies have it and why we need to emulate the things that they do is it's because it gives your team clarity, right? If they know what your business mission, vision, and values are, they know how to handle when there's issues in the business because they know it's important, right? The second pillar is system. So everything has a system in your business. So when you have a team member, they know in order to execute something, it's like go step by step by step, right? Whether there's three steps or 10 steps, there's a process in place. And then once you get to the third pillar where we build you that team that you is going to give you that true freedom in business, it really is about recruiting, hiring, and onboarding the right people. And you recruit the right people because you have that business mission, vision, and values, right? They align with that. They say, I want to be a part of what you're building. So you're attracting the right people. Then when you hire them, you're screening them to make sure that they are who they say they are, that they're gonna be a good fit for where you are in your business and where you're going. And then you onboard them to make sure they have the training. And when you do these three steps, right, and you you've made it to that third pillar, that's when you can release control and feel confident that the job's gonna get done. And when this is done right, your team is actually gonna fix problems before you even realize there is a problem because they're gonna be so amazing and so dedicated to your mission that they're gonna make decisions as if it was their own business.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Yes, I absolutely. So they need to have clarity and that their team will actually follow through with. So, at what point do you bring in identity work? Ooh, I would say right away, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:58

So, one of the first things that we do when I start working with new clients is I ask them what they want for their personal vision. And this is so important. And so many entrepreneurs and myself back in the day thought this was like fluffy, right? Like I was like, what? I just want more time and money, right? After having five jobs in seven years due to two layoffs, I was like, I just want control. Um, but the problem was is if you don't clearly define what you want, then you're gonna continue to be on that hustle hamster wheel going around and around and around and around because you're gonna say, Oh, you know, I want a$500,000 business. And then you get there and you're like, oh, it's not enough, or I don't have my time back. You're like, let me get to a million, and then you get there and you're like, oh, it's not enough. I don't have my time back. And so if we don't reverse engineer that identity, that vision, that lifestyle that you truly, truly want in the beginning, you will struggle to achieve it. And this is why so many women just feel like they're constantly on that going around and around because they haven't clarified what their definition of success is. And it's different for everyone. Some people are extremely happy with a million dollars in revenue, a multi-six figure salary, and you know, a four-hour workday. Other people want to scale to five million and they're like, no, I want to make way more than that. And they love to work. Like maybe they want to work six hours a day, right? It there's no right or wrong. It depends, it all depends upon what you want. And what I've seen is that so many women have built these, I like to say, beast of a business that is based on someone else's business model, right? So some coach or guru or program or influencer said you should build your business this way, because that's how I found success, and they copied it. Like, I love a good template, don't get me wrong, right? But if you didn't look at the underlying lesson of how they built their business and then used it to build yours, then most likely it's always gonna feel out of alignment.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Absolutely. So um normally they start with systems and strategy before they get to the identity work, and it should be like the other way around. Absolutely. So, what's the biggest pushback you hear from women when you bring up identity work?

SPEAKER_01 15:37

I think, you know, it's so funny. So, inside of my 90-day uh program, you know, it's one of the first things we cover, and I literally have in the video, in the workbook, in the module, do not skip this. Right, please promise me that you will do this. Like you may not understand it now, but I promise you it'll get there. And then I do an implementation call with all new clients and I ask them, I'm like, okay, what is your dream life? Like, spell it out to me. And if it's vague or gray or, you know, not really clear, then you know, I use like the Toyota method where they dive five layers deep in order to figure out what it is that they really want. So then we can build something that's going to feel good because we only get one life. I owned a senior home care franchise for 10 years. I can tell you firsthand, no one at the end of their life said they had wished they had worked more, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

They all expressed their regrets to me about I wish I had a better relationship with my spouse, or I wish my kids were here caring for me, I wish I had taken that trip. And so it's so important in the beginning to get that clarity so that way we can actually rebuild your foundation into something that you really love and you'll remain passionate about, and it's gonna bring you the joy that you want.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

So when you're working, when you're doing the identity work with the uh with them, how important is it how they see themselves? Like their self-image. How important is that?

SPEAKER_01 17:17

You know, we don't dive super deep into self-image, but I think what happens or what I see over the 90 days is they realize that like a lot of them see themselves as a business owner when we start. And then what happens is the image of their self really grows into a leader, and they realize that what they're building is pretty darn significant, right? Like it's gonna create an impact. It doesn't matter whether you're making widgets or helping people or whatever it is, but your place here on the world is to make some sort of impact. And as their confidence grows in their ability to run an amazing business, their version of themselves expands. They build that confidence, they build that conviction. Um, and so they really feel like, okay, you know what? I know what I'm doing. Like, I don't feel like I'm winging it and I've just had really good luck or success. Like I feel confident. I am in charge.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

So are there any physical symptoms that show up like when they're trying to expand their identity or expand their playing field versus like the old way that they did things? Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

I mean, I think that happens every time you go to a new level. It's like, right? Like, what's that ceiling? But I've had many women, you know, on a call say to me, you know, I'm just, I'm just really not sure. Like I have this feeling in my gut, or I need to slow down for a little bit. Like I'm just they really start to hesitate. And we talk through that. And what it really comes down to is they're feeling like things are aligning, and they're like, how can this be so easy? Right? Like, how doesn't this have to be hard? Like, this is feeling so good inside that I don't, I'm not familiar with that feeling. And so it really makes them start to question like, does this woman really know what she's talking about? Because how can I build a business that feels good when I've been so programmed by society and social media and everything else that we should be hardworking and all of these kinds of things? And so it's really, you know, not only a mental shift, but it's that physical shift of where they're kind of releasing that gut feeling and realize realizing that that feeling in their gut isn't no longer the the cramping and the anxiety, but it it's more that feeling, that sense of like comfort and that it feels good to them.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Absolutely. So, what do you think would be like the most uncomfortable part when they're trying to expand?

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Oh, you know, the most uncomfortable part is really kind of when they're at that million dollars and on the outside they look successful, right? So maybe they go to networking meetings or maybe they're hanging out with their friends, or you know, they're with family or they're on social media or whatever, and they're like, I have a million-dollar business, right? Like they maybe don't tell anyone that. Um, but on the outside they look successful, but on the inside, they don't feel successful. Like they're proud of themselves for what they've done, but they don't feel like if like this is what success should feel like. And so I think when you're right around that million, and this is how I personally felt on the outside, it looked amazing, you know. I had clients and everything was great, and you know, everything just looked so good. Um, but on the inside, I had this like kind of imposter syndrome, or this, you know, if they only knew what was going on behind the scenes. And so I think you are constantly in that push-pull that battle with what people see versus what is going on.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Right. So, like on the outside, you look perfect and successful to everyone else, but how you see yourself is just completely opposite. Correct. So, what has to change on the inside before anything changes on the outside?

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Ooh, I love that. You know, I think a lot of Like what I said is I had a client come on to me and I said, Why are you interested in working together? And she's like, Well, I want to have a real business. Now, mind you, this woman had a high six-figure business. And I was like, Well, why don't you think you have a real business? And she was like, I just feel like I'm winging it, you know. And she's like, I've gotten here by, you know, luck kind of deal. Like I basically just did more of what I did when I worked for someone else. And it's just kind of bloomed. And so on the inside, they really have to stop viewing themselves as that employee that they used to be, you know, whether it was in a big corporation or a small company or whatever it is. And they really have to start embodying that this is something that they've built. They need to be proud of that. They need to pull their shoulders back and say, I did it, right? And I really, it's such a shift for and to see these women over these 90 days shift from going, like, yeah, I'm here. I, you know, I've done good, but to really embodying what a true, you know, successful business owner looks like. And they they don't see themselves as successful. And to give you a point on that, is so I'll get on a call with a woman and um I offer a complimentary scale strategy session where we dig into their structure. And I they'll I'll say, okay, you know, where are you in revenue? And they'll be like, I'm at a million. And then they keep talking, like, and I'm like, hold up. You're at a million dollars. I'm like, do you realize only 2% of women entrepreneurs will hit a million? And they're like, what? And I'm like, 2%. There are millions and millions of women-owned businesses out there, and only 2% hit a million. Do you realize what you've done? And they have no clue. And that was me back in 2010 when I hit my first million. I had no idea. I did not realize that that statistic was so small. And so for a second, they're kind of taken aback and they're like, wow, what have I done? Right? It really opens their eyes.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

I want to take it back. Um, I love that you said they have to start embodying. So, what would you say is the difference between embodying and like fake it till you make it, where they're like not really confident and they're like trying to kind of shape shift into something they really don't feel comfortable with.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Oh, that is so good, right? So that's that authenticity versus you know what we see on social media. Yes. I think, you know, what it really comes down to is when you no longer feel that weight of your business operations, but you no longer feel the weight of having to perform, right? Like you don't feel like you're performing for your clients, you don't feel like you're performing for your team, you don't feel like you're performing for your friends or family. Like this is just who you are now. You are a million-dollar successful business owner, and you can just see it. Their shoulders relax, they become more confident, they're speaking up, maybe they're volunteering, doing some speaking in the community, right? Even when they're having conversations with their team, instead of like being worried about what to say to them, they have that confidence come through. They're no longer reacting to everything. They're being more proactive, right? So it's just this like full body feeling of this is who I am now, and I'm not still chasing something. I've embraced what I've built, right? I still want to grow, but I've embraced what I've built and I feel comfortable here. Like I feel comfortable in my skin. Like if someone said to me, you know, what's my revenue? And I told them a million, they would, you know, it, I wouldn't be nervous to say that. I would confidently say I have a million-dollar business, right? And so that I think is sometimes our revenue outpaces where we are mentally. And then one day we wake up and we're like, oh, we're at a million, and you're like, I should get here, right? Especially when it's fast. A new client of mine hit a million in her first year. And so it's like, wow, a year ago I was, you know, in a corporate job and now I'm here. Um, so that's a big shift.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

That's amazing. So, what does it look like when it actually clicks? When they actually like, oh, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

What does it look like? You know, I want to say like warm, fuzzy, like pink and rosy kind of deal. Like, because you when you think of like, what does it look like? But I I'm imagining this woman that's a client of mine, and for her, she went from kind of doing her daily job as an entrepreneur to stepping into her leadership shoes and embracing it. And for a lot of women, I actually see some physical changes, right? So when they fully embrace that, they may, you know, elevate their wardrobe or their look. And it's not because they're trying to show off, but they're just no longer shrinking, they're no longer sucked into the daily operations and just dragging through their days. They're getting up confident and they're saying to themselves, this is who I am now. So I think a lot of times we see a difference on the outside. You know, it's kind of like an aura. I remember I had someone say to me right around when I hit my first million, she's like, There's something different about you. And she's like, I'm not really sure where it was. And it's just that full body, you know, knowing that you know what you're doing. And this wasn't luck, right? Like you're not gonna lose it tomorrow. And you no matter what happens, that you can build it bigger or rebuild it again or whatever it is, because you're not the person you were when you first started.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

That's amazing. So they have to be congruent with what they want and how they're showing up in the world, right? Exactly. So, how do you know when someone is ready for the kind of work that you offer versus like, okay, like this kind of person will not have either, you know, maybe something else that they need to work on before they come to me?

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Yeah, I love this question. So it's not just revenue based, right? So I work with women who are right around that million dollars. They could be very high six figures or a little bit over a million already, but it's not just revenue. It's really, you know, whether they're ready to slow down for 90 days a little bit. I'm not talking put on the brakes, but just take your foot off the gas a little bit and really rebuild. I was on a skill strategy session a couple of weeks ago with a woman, and she's got a great business, been in business a long time. And she was like, Yes, I need to do this. And then we talked a little bit more, and she's like, maybe I just need to hire a virtual assistant right now. And I was like, Okay, right. Like, and so it's someone who's no longer willing to put another piece of duct tape or a band-aid on their problems, and it's someone who's ready to embrace a shift. And that's why my program's only 90 days because I know the woman at this point, you know, they don't want to slow down very long because they're afraid to take their foot off the gas. But they also want to see results as fast as possible, right? And so they can stay as long as they want. I have some women who have been with me for years, but for the first 90 days, it's like, okay, this is what we're gonna go uh really fast pace into your business and restructure those pillars so that way you can continue to scale. But so it's really that mental shift, it's that draw a line in the sand moment where they say, duct tape is no longer gonna kick it anymore. Right. I need to actually get to the root cause.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Absolutely. So, what do you people usually get wrong about identity work? What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Oh, what do they usually get wrong? You know, I think women have to be a certain person or a certain identity in order to feel successful. And so as I rebrand my business, I have started a movement called Simply Rich Living. And what it's all about is really living your business, living your life with a business that supports it, right? And that could be simple luxuries like, you know, easy mornings instead of stressed, great nights of sleep because you're done work and your body is relaxed and can sleep, you know, having coffee with your girlfriends, you know, on a Saturday and not picking up your phone. But it also can be other luxuries of buying yourself those killer shoes or that bag without guilt. And so, you know, really it's a it's about embracing who you want to be and not what someone else thinks you should be or what you think you have to be to someone else. Being okay, being your quirky self, and knowing that's okay because you've built a business that works for it.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

How rough is it for them when they have to like let go of what they think they're supposed to do, think they're so who's supposed to be, and then start kind of working towards like, okay, like this is what I actually want.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

I think it's rough at first, right? I mean, you know, most of the women that I work with have been in business, you know, a few years, and all day long we are programmed by society, and we've been programmed by our parents and brainwashed by all of these people out there that you have to work hard and you have to hustle and you have to do all of these things this way. If you want to be successful, you have to do these things. And so when we start working together, and you know, we start with what's your personal vision, they're like, oh, here we go, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Oh crap.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

I know, am I in the wrong room? And so, but what I really ultimately teach them is critical business thinking skills, and I want them to understand that you know they can build a business on their terms, especially in this day and age. I mean, you can make money doing anything nowadays, right? Absolutely. So it doesn't have to be cookie cutter. I don't give them cookie cutter business advice, and they don't have to build a cookie cutter business. So they can really build whatever they want, be whoever they want, and truly when that clicks in their brain and they're like, okay, it's like there's no ceiling, like anything is possible because they realize it's like, wow, I really can do it. I can do anything I want.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

So once they step into their new identity, like everything else kind of trickles down, and it's much easier to flow through versus like trying to do it backwards and do an uphill battle of trying to do what they're supposed to be doing.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Exactly, right? So we have to kind of do a little bit of reprogramming in their brain, you know, for all of the years. Most of the women that I work with are in their, you know, 40s, and so they're at a point where they're, you know, they've been programmed for 40 years. And so we just kind of have to work on turning that dial back a little bit and making sure that, you know, they really understand like it's okay to do things differently.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Absolutely. Okay, last question. If you had one minute to change a woman's life, what would you say?

SPEAKER_01 34:46

One minute. I would ask them if their business runs without them. Because if it doesn't, then it's not scalable. And that one statement I've said to so many women in all different ways, and it it kind of hangs in the back of their mind and it gets them thinking, is my business able to run without me? And if it's not, then it's not scalable. How do I fix that? Right. And so that one thing is probably when I get on calls, when I get on those scale strategy sessions with women, they say to me, You said this one thing to me, and it like triggered something in me. So that would be my one minute.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

That's awesome. I love that that question because now it got me thinking.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Good, let me know.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Yes. Thank you so much, Saline. I really appreciate you being here. Where can people find you and connect with your work?

SPEAKER_01 35:49

Yeah, so the best place to find me is either on my website at www.passion purposeposture.com or you can find me on any social media at Saline Doyle.

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