Episode 2: The Somerton Man — The Body on the Beach

A man is found dead on a beach.

No identification. No clear cause of death. No explanation for how he got there.

But hidden in his pocket…

is a message no one can decode.

And the deeper investigators dig—

the stranger it gets.

Transcript

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I like the intro so much.

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And then you never really get used to it. It's dope.

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I know.

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Yeah.

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Alright, welcome everyone. So this is our second episode of our podcast.

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Yeah, uh, I'm John.

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I'm Fabriana.

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And we're gonna try again. We're gonna see how it works out. But this time, Fabriana is telling the story.

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So decided I have no idea what it is. He challenged me to be an editor for this story. So bear with me, everyone. Are you ready, bruh?

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Oh, I'm ready, bruh.

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Okay.

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Let's do it.

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Alright, so we're gonna tell you this um horror. Not horror. Not horror. Murder. Murder.

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Well, murder is kinda horror, I guess.

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Yeah, whatever it is. But I would say it's a historical case. Okay.

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Alright.

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And the title of our episode today is Somerton Man.

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Summerman?

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Somerton. I don't know how to say that.

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Summerton man. Summerton Man. Yeah. Okay.

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So the Somerton Man, the pocket clue that haunted Australia.

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Hmm.

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Okay. So last week we had an episode of a story from somewhere in Germany. And today we're gonna go to another continent.

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Okay.

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And a country, which is Australia.

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Ooh.

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Alrighty.

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I love Australia. Well, I've never been. Everyone I told people that I wanted to go and then everyone went. Fucking hell.

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I haven't been there.

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No, I still haven't gone.

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So when we go to Indonesia, it's very close to Australia. So we should visit Australia someday.

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Facts.

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Alright. Okay, so the story is. Um I'm gonna give you an intro first. So a man sits on a beach at night in Adelaide, Australia.

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Okay.

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Okay. And uh this man's dressed neatly, like he came from somewhere important, not like he wandered in from nowhere.

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Okay.

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His shoes are polished, his posture looks almost calm. Can you picture him in your head?

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Yeah, so he's like a businessman.

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Yeah.

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Right. Is he young? Is he old? What's his what's his deal?

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Um, well, I do not have a lot of details about him, but I can give you a fact, and maybe we can figure it out through this story.

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Okay. Sounds good.

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Okay. So the next morning, this man is dead.

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Damn. Mm-hmm.

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So no wallet, no ID, no explanation. Alright. So he's dead. We don't know. Okay. And uh months later, investigators find a tiny scrap of paper hidden in his clothing.

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Okay.

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Okay. Two words that turn the whole case into a legend. Okay, so there are two words. And the words are Tam should. Hopefully I've been. Tamum should. Tamum. Tamum should. Tamum should. I don't think it's an English word, huh?

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Oh, I don't think so. I have no idea. How do you how do you spell it?

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T-A-M-A-M-S-H-U-D. Tamum should.

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Oh, weird, yeah. I have no idea what that means.

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That's why I was like, are you just mispronouncing that? No, I don't think so. It's just not an English word. It's probably like Prussian or something.

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Okay. Okay. Where do where did the cops find this?

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Hold on, bro. You gotta be a little bit more patient.

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Okay, okay.

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Okay, so months later, okay? So months later, investigators find that tiny scrap of paper with those two words. Um and apparently the story of the Somerton man, which is also called the Tamum Shoot Case.

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Tamum shoot case.

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That's one of Australia's most famous cold cases.

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Mmm. Okay, so we never figure out who it is. Damn.

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Nope, noop. Okay.

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Okay.

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Alright. So this is a historical case anyway, and we're going to be careful in here. Um, no wild accusations.

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Okay, okay. Okay. I don't know what I'm supposed to take from that, but alright, sure.

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No, I'm just nervous telling this uh this story.

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Well, you're killing it. You're killing it.

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Okay. Alright, so the discovery. Okay. December 1st, 1948. So on December 1st, 1948, a man is found dead in Somerton Beach.

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Okay.

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In the suburb of Somerton Park near Adelaide.

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Okay.

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And the first thing that confuses investigators is the contrast. What do you think the contrast is?

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The contrast? Of what? Like, what do you mean by the contrast?

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Like, I gave you um some descriptions about the man, how he looked like, but then the next morning he's dead.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Right. So where was the description given of the guy? Like at the beginning, when you said he was really composed, he looked like he was basically like a businessman well put together. Yeah. Where who described him as that? Like where did that description come from?

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Well, that's a good question.

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Okay, or is that something that comes later?

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Uh we'll see.

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Okay, okay. Yeah, can you tell these are our first podcasts? Yep.

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For sure. For sure. Okay. Okay. Okay. But no, I cannot answer the details where those details come from, but that's the descriptions from the story that I read. Okay.

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Okay. So those are witness descriptions. Yeah.

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Yeah, like some witness. We don't know who.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So there's Wonder Boom. Turn it off.

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Okay, well, yeah, we forgot to turn it off. Alright, so the first thing that confuses investigators is the contrast. He doesn't look like someone who died in chaos.

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Okay.

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He looks arranged. He's dressed, clean.

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But he has no ID.

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His clothing tags are reportedly removed. Something that later fits theories. Was he hiding who he was?

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His clothing tags? Like what would normally I guess it was 1948 though. So they probably did they even have tags that said like say for the laundry machine, you know, shit like that. I don't think they did, did they? Like it's probably just like who it you know who made it or like the tailor or whatever.

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But maybe at that time the clothing tags uh meant something, you know, about how reach someone or I don't know.

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Fair enough.

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Alright, so exactly from minute one, um we know that this clay this case could split into two vibes. Maybe this guy chose to disappear, right? Or maybe someone made him disappear. Right. Okay, it's just polished, like no idea, nothing. So it's either someone actually killed him, or maybe he chose to disappear himself.

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Right, but like how is he dead? Like what would he what did he die of?

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We don't know.

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So he's just sitting there, like just lying there, composed, lying like straight on his back, like on his face, like was it like positioned in a way that looked like he did it himself or or what?

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No, it's already does not mention about that, but probably he looked like a normal guy who's sitting, or maybe some theories think, or we can think that he died because of a sudden heart attack or something. I don't know.

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Like there's no There's no details about how he was actually positioned or anything. But but there was no obvious cause of death, is what you're saying.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Alright. So, um so police do what they can, right, with the 1940 tools at that time. So they they were trying to examine his clothing, his body, um, and they uh publicized descriptions, hoping someone will recognize him because he does not have any ID. They also locate a suitcase linked to the man, like items that maybe suggest travel, but still no clean identity.

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Okay.

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Okay. And when a person dies unidentified, it has something to the public imagination, don't you think? Like you asked me several questions about how he died. I I have no clue. But you know, you're going to imagine that something could happen to this person, and there are so many speculations.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Right. So I mean it doesn't was there any indication about him being, you know, depressed by any I guess if no one really knows who he is. Yeah, but he just can't he just he wasn't recognized by anyone in town. He was just like a random nope, maybe a passerby or something.

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Mm-hmm.

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Nope. Okay.

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No one, no details about that. Okay. So that fear, you know, um being untraceable becomes the engines of this story.

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Right.

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Someone is died, no family, nobody could recognize him, we don't know.

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Okay.

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Alright, but remember that is that scrap uh with two words tamum should.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Right.

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Right, so months after the death, um the cops find the clue that changes everything.

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Okay.

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So a tiny scrap of the paper uh hidden in the man's clothing, printed with the words tamum should. Okay. Apparently, these words are Persian.

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They're Persian words, okay.

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It's a Persian, the Persian words, and it's translated into it is finished or it is over.

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It is finished or over. Okay, that's ominous.

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That's so what do you think?

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Oh, I mean that that could mean a billion things, but it could be someone, you know, finished the job off. He was sending a message to someone, maybe like, oh, you're done because you owed me something, and or or giving a signal to someone else. Or it could be the guy if he, you know, maybe took a bunch of pills and killed himself because he, you know, couldn't live with something. I don't know. Yeah. And he just wanted to say it's over. Who knows?

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Yeah, exactly. So we don't know uh where those words actually come from, right? Right. Um and the scrap is actually traced to a specific source. Oh a copy of, hopefully I pronounce this correctly, a copy of the Rubayad of Omar Chayam. Oh, it's Persian.

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Okay.

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Um and apparently it is a famous poetry book. Oh now the case has symbolism. Like a man with no name, a message that says finished, a poem, a poem book linked to the message.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So do you think it's somebody tried to kill him or I d I mean I have I mean it sounds uh if there's if there's that much symbolism and there's you know he's well positioned, he's well dressed, there's no tags, it doesn't really sound like someone did that to himself, but who knows? May I to me it sounds like someone's trying to send a message and maybe maybe signaling something for someone else. I don't know. I mean it yeah.

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But apparently that's not enough details yet. Yeah, that's the only clue, right? From um those months of investigations. And when the relevant book is located, that poetry book, the major summaries report it contained a handwritten code. So lines of letters and marks that don't look like a normal writing. And it reportedly included a local phone number, which pushes investigators toward the idea that the man had connections in Adelaide.

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Okay.

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Okay. Um, but now pause for you know like the time period, 1940s. So could you read what happened like in the world? So in 1940s.

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In the 1940s, I mean that's right after World War II, right? Yeah.

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So that's early Cold War energy.

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Yeah.

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Okay. So people are primed to believe secret agents exist. So the public story now becomes coat of those words, right?

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Oh yeah.

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But no ID. Um and mysterious scale. Yeah, he might be a spy, right? Yeah, so we don't know.

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Well, what was his ethnicity? Like what what where did he look like he can't did he look like he was Persian or Australian? Or was that sort of I bet you records from you know from back then are just not available. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's not mentioned either. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a really great question though, because it could give us a lot of clues.

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I mean, in today's day and age, if we had a case like this, it'd probably be solved within like five minutes of posting something online.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

That's true. That's true. It's very easy to attract people, right? Um and you know, like that is a machine that can trace your phone or something, right? So that would be easy. But no mobile phone. What?

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No, they didn't have no mobile phone. No, no, no, no, no. No.

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Okay.

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No. Cell phones came out when you know. In our lifetime. I don't know. I know. I mean, I didn't have a cell phone until like oh god, I'm old. Um, I didn't have it until like university. So yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, well, same thing.

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Yeah.

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Okay. So let's go back to the story. So coat, no idea, mysterious death. Maybe this guy's a spy. Okay. Uh, but there's the key question. What if the coat is an espionage? And what if it's something mundane, like personal shorthand notes or memory aid, you know?

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Yeah, we always we always want to think that it's something mysterious and ominous or something, but it could have just been like a grocery note or something, you know.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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But that's still something.

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Yeah.

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Okay. So over the decades, the summer man becomes a magnet for theories. Okay. So some are careful, some are wild, but the reason is the reason it lasts is not just uh the weird clues. It lasts because the case apparently has structure. Which I have to repeat again.

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Okay.

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A death with no identity.

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Right.

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A symbolic phrase translated into it is over or it is finished, a famous poetry book connection, um, a quote-like message, yeah, and then decades of silence.

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A dead case of silence.

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Decades.

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Oh, decades of silence, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

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Okay. So the evidence is really small, then a lot of imaginations just fill the space of what happened.

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So it became like a sort of uh urban myth or something of what happened, I guess.

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Yeah, but you know, like for many years, uh people pushed for DNA testing, right? Now it's like 2021. Let sorry, now it's 2026, but yeah, um, the story went back to 2021. So many people tried to push um for the DNA testing, and finally in May 2021, authorities assumed the remains from Adelaide's West Terrace Cemetery to attempt modern DNA analysis. Huh.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

I wonder why people actually pushed. I mean, was it just because of popular like stories that people wanted to see this? I wonder why like the cop the cops would like open this back up, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Yeah, exactly, because it's been how many years? In from 1948 to 2021. Yeah. But apparently this is a very well-known story there. So and it's it was not resolved back then, right? So then, well, I don't know why. Uh but the case was open again and people pushed for the DNA testing. Um, and uh the police publicly describe optimism about using current technology.

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Okay.

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Yeah, because the forensic science has changed massively, right, since 1940s.

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Yeah, of course.

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Um, yeah, so then the story shift, you know, like from the romantic mystery to the scientific problem.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So wait, why was it a romantic mystery? Was there did you just give something away? I'm like, what a romantic mystery? I mean, uh, it doesn't sound very romantic to me.

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Maybe I shouldn't I should not I should not label it as romantic mystery. Well, yeah, it's a beach again. Yeah, it's a beach, yeah. Yeah, because of the beach, you know, um, and just unresolved mystery. Okay. But the DNA, the DNA test uh made it as a scientific problem now. And then in 2022, um, there is a modern twist. So apparently in July 2022, a research team led by Professor Derek Abbott and genealogist Colin Fitzpatrick, uh they publicly claim that the Somerton man was Carl Charles Webb.

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The the what was the guy?

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Yeah the dead man. Oh the dead man was finally identified as Carl Charles Webb. And this guy was born in Melbourne.

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Okay.

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Okay, I think that's the only detail that they reported, but it's been a really huge move, right? Like since 1948, now 2022. Exactly. And this answered your questions about like what's the race and ethnicity of this guy. Uh but from the name, it's probably a white guy. A white guy.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Yeah, a white guy. Yeah. Sounds like it.

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Okay. Yeah. So at the same time, um, South Australia police said they were cautiously optimistic and indicated official work was still underway.

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Okay.

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Um, with outcomes ultimately handled through formal processes.

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Okay, so did they actually identify anything about the death then?

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Or is it they just found out who it was and that that's Yeah, they just found out who he was, but they did not report what happened to the death, you know?

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Right, okay.

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So I don't know, like considering where the case was, this already has been in a in a better position, I guess.

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Right.

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Just uh by the way.

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Well, yeah, I mean at least they know who it is, but you know, d is there any is there any development beyond that? Or is it it's kind of just like it's still an open case? At least they know who it is.

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Yeah, it's still an open case.

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And they have no clue how he just ended up dead. And why was this case in particular more famous than like other cases? I mean, is it just that, you know, at the time it was such a mystery because no one could identify him, and then it became like this huge thing that just spread among the area and became, like I said, like something like an urban myth?

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Well, it's look it looks like it because the identity is just one mystery and we still don't know why, what happened.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Well, I just think of so many cases that are out there that are just like, you know, way more interest not more interesting, but it's like why would a case like this make it so big? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Like Well, I guess there are a lot of factors in it, right? Like maybe uh recently there have been stories like that, and then people like, oh, you remember the story that happened like some decades ago, you know, so then well we really don't know, but that could be one of the um But I guess like I said though, the time period, you know, the the a lot of stories back then um would have been a lot more mysterious because they had a lot more access to information, the internet wasn't around, yeah, you know, um traveling and you know, calling people and whatnot was not really uh as big of a thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:55

So um I can I can see that.

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But I think with the modern technology though, they like forensic and anything like that could help detect the causes of the death, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Yeah.

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Well, I'm not sure. I'm not working in the medical science field, but I'm just expecting we would see something like the causes of the death from good identification.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Well, I mean at that point though, they would it would be pretty tough to tell though. He's been in the he's been in the dirt for like, you know, like 70 years or whatever. You know, something yeah. So it's I know it'd be hard, it would probably be mostly decomposed at that point, unless you know there was like a skull fracture or like you know, something like that. But I doubt and again, I'm not I'm not a you know, a medical doctor or anything, but you know, I don't think that there would still be traces of um drugs and whatnot in someone's system.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Like I don't I don't know unless I don't know for how long. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

I I guess we should look into that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

That's true. Okay. But yeah, like a lot of noises, right, around the story. Um and sometimes Maybe the truth is not a conspiracy. Like maybe the truth is the truth of the story is someone who was so lonely, you know. Or um maybe the person had a mental health issue or something like that, or there is a private crisis. Right. Um, but yeah, we miss a lot of um context. So we have a lot of missing puzzles in this story, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure.

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Okay.

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Interesting, okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Right. So if we come up with some theories about this story, what would be your theory?

SPEAKER_01 22:35

I mean, there's not I don't think there's a there's not enough context.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

I'm forcing you to quit one.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Yes, yeah, come up with a theory that no one's been able to come up with for the last like you know, 70 something years or whatever. Um I I really have no clue. I I would I would guess that you're probably right about something. Well, I I don't know if it was a spy or anything like that, but you know, especially because that was sort of just everyone wanted it maybe to be a spy. I don't know. But it is a little bit odd that he had no identification, tags were cut off, that he was positioned carefully and meticulously and was all clean and composed. That doesn't really sound like someone, you know, offing themselves usually, right? Like usually they're not gonna be that cautious about things.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Um so you know, because people once they they've kind of given up on life, they why would they care to do things like that? So it sounds like someone killed them, but um wanted to send a message. That's my best guess. I have no idea what message, um, but it is obviously something poetic.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Uh yeah, exactly. But what what what did the code or the words have to do with you know Christians and the poetry book, right? Or maybe the person just um you know has a uh or like reading poems or write poems, I don't know. And that's when he finally decided to probably end his life. That's the message that he tried to know.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

Okay, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

Yeah, some theories come up though, like uh in the society. Um so some people say, well, it's just natural medical death, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Maybe, yeah.

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And then some uh the clues that they found are not really related in that sense. Yeah, and maybe the guy ended his life, um, so the Tam I's shoot is a deliberate message that's it's over.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Yeah, maybe sad. I mean, that's possible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Um accident, maybe, you know. Some people say, ah, it's just an accident.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Oh, well, that's the thing, right? We always want to piece together things. I think we're kind of conditioned to try to make sense of everything, but sometimes it's just an accident, and there are coincidences, and we have no idea why, and then we just like make up all these stories in our head. But who knows? All right, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah, so I think the case is probably still underway, you know, through that idea.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Well, yeah, I don't it doesn't really sound scary. I mean, how many people are still around from that time period? Like, not too many, and if they are, they're they were probably kids at the time, right? So memory is not exactly reliable, I wouldn't imagine. That's true. But you know, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Okay. Okay, well, anyway, thank you for that story. That was good. Uh some of the main message is well, I do not find a lot of details about this story, but that's uh one of probably the story that also happens in real life a lot. So, what I think about the uh Summerton Man, um, the story is maybe a mystery is not created by a mastermind. It's just because we do not have enough context to you know understand what really happened.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

Um yeah. What else?

SPEAKER_01 26:03

I don't know. I mean that's a that's a pretty good summary, I think.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

Okay. Well, yeah, next week I'm just going to give it back to you. Okay, yeah. You come up with a better story.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Okay, we're gonna come up with something crazy next week. I think I'm gonna like come try to find something that's like super messed up and like gr gruesome and fucked up, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Like really dark shit, you know. What I'm gonna do, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

I'm trying to start with something that is a little bit soft.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

Yeah, yeah. But um But I like that we're doing cases though that are not like you don't really hear about like everyone hears about like Ted Bundy and you know, yeah, you know, all the all the really famous ones. But yeah. Yeah, okay. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Okay, so that's every yeah. That's today's episode, everybody. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

We will see you next week. Thank y'all.