Episode 4: Missing in Paradise — She Didn’t Leave That House

An 8-year-old girl vanishes in Bali, Indonesia.

Not from a crowded street—but from inside her own home.

At first, it seems impossible.

Then the story starts to unravel.

And what investigators uncover next…

is darker than anyone expected.

Transcript

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I really love this intro anyway.

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I made it.

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Seems like that's the rule, you know? Everything that you made is cool.

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Of course, obviously.

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Okay, welcome to episode. Oh, you are?

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Yeah, I know, right?

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Sorry guys, it was it got cut off. I want to say welcome to episode four, right? This is episode four.

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Episode four. Yeah.

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And I'm gonna tell you a story.

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Ooh. Are you gonna tell me the crime?

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I tell you the crime.

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Tell me the crime, bro.

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I tell you the crime. Okay.

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Let's hear it. Let's hear it.

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So the uh story is about a girl who vanished in paradise.

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Ooh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Vanished in paradise. So, like on a honeymoon or what?

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Uh-huh.

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Really? On a honeymoon? Oh. Okay.

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Sorry.

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I was like, oh wow. It's like I'm good at discussing it.

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No, I um I go distracted, people.

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No, um staring in my eyes, yeah.

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Okay. It's about a little girl. Oh no. Okay. Okay. A girl who vanished in paradise. And the case is called the Angeline case. Definitely not really a honeymoon because it's a little But the place is the go-to place for a honeymoon. Okay. Can you guess what it is?

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Uh yes. Uh considering that we're thinking of going to this place. I'm gonna guess.

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Oh, I can also guess looking at what you're gonna say.

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Looking at the Indonesian across from me. Uh I'm gonna guess it's Bali.

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Oh, are you a psychic?

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Ooh, yeah. We're going there this summer, everyone. Wow, okay. It's we've we've talked about this place as like basically the go-to destination for paradise.

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So I think I gave you a bit too big of a hit. Yeah. So the setting, uh the uh setting of the story took place in Bali.

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Okay, so she goes missing in Bali. Okay, so let's hear it. What happens?

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So in a beautiful place full of beaches, you know, where you can also enjoy the sunsets anywhere you go, a lot of temples, beautiful villas, right? Um a little girl went missing in 2015.

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Ooh, okay. Yes.

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But she uh that's a good that's good, that's good.

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Okay. That's uh pretty good uh pretty good start. Let's try again. Use your words.

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Okay, so um it's not from like a crowded street, okay. Oh, okay. It's not from a dark alley in Bali, not from you know the touristy area. So she vanished from a house.

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Ooh, even scarier.

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Yeah, but that's yeah, it's the story started like just a normal missing person case. You know, it's just okay, the child went missing, but from a house? Whose house?

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Yeah, because you'd expect that if like she's kids usually go missing from public places, right? Or like very yeah, or like very crowded places or on a street, or you know, like that's yeah, that's wild going from the but it's not.

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Yeah, that's she's missing from her own house.

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Yeah, that's even more terrifying. Okay, so so what happened?

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Well, I will uh tell you the characters of the story first, okay? Okay, and then we'll tell you what happened.

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Okay, okay.

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So the first character here is Angeline. Uh she was eight years old, um, she was small for her age, she was thin, she was quiet. I don't know. I think I'm describing myself when I was a kid.

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Probably, yeah.

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Okay. And people who saw her often describe her as an obedient kid. Um and she is withdrawn.

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Is that also you too? Were you an obedient kid or were you a little brat?

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No, I was an obedient kid, you know.

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Okay. Yeah.

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So she lived behind a gate in a very big house in Denpasar.

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Okay. In Denpasar. Denpasar.

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Can you can you say Ar again?

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Ar.

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Denpasar.

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Denpasar. That was pretty good, right?

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Yeah, that's good. Denpasar. It's uh the city in Bali. The capital city of Bali.

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Capital city of Bali, okay.

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Okay. So from the outside, that house looked a comfortable home. But what Angeline's life was actually like is where this story truly begins.

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Ooh, okay, so it wasn't probably all flowers and rainbows and lovely the way that you might imagine a rich person would live.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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Okay.

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So that's the first character. And the second one that is Margret. So Margret is the adult responsible for Angeline.

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The adult responsible, not the mother. Ooh.

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You actually read my head, probably. Yeah, I did not choose the word mother because uh at first here in the story. Okay. Because I would like to provide some more background about her later on.

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Okay.

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Okay. Uh, but yeah, she was the uh older, educated, financially financially stable woman who was responsible for Angeline.

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Okay.

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Okay. And the neighbors describe her as somebody who was very structured, um, who loved control. So she looked very composed, you know, like very serious and disciplined.

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Right.

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Things like that. Okay. And uh that's the second one. And then the household, so because they live in a big house, so the mother also had some helpers.

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Okay, so they were like really rich. They're rich. Okay. Okay, so they're rich, yeah. They have maids and you know, but domestic workers, yeah.

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Cool. Okay, so a big house, um, if you don't know what's inside, you probably will think, oh, that's really a great paradise in a paradise, you know? A big house and all that.

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Yeah.

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Okay, now the story. Um, some big run about Angeline's life and Angeline. Okay. So before we talk about how she disappeared, we need to go back to some previous years. So she went missing in 2015. But actually, this story um started in 2007.

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Okay.

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I mean indirectly. Okay. And you will know why.

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So 2007 and she would have been eight years old.

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No.

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So Angeline was eight years old when No, I mean like she would have been eight years old when she went missing. Did you mention that at the beginning?

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Yeah, she went missing when she was eight years old.

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Okay.

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And 2007 is the time when she was born.

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Born, right, right.

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So Angeline was born in a small clinic in Changgu Bali.

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Changgu Bali. Okay.

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Okay. So her biological mom was Hamida.

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Mm-hmm.

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And her biological father was Ahmad Roshidi. Okay. Okay. Now, Angeline was the second of three children. Uh, but her family didn't stay together. And um her parents separated after the third child was born, and um her siblings ended up scattered. So Okay.

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So what was she you said after the third child.

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Was she after the third child.

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What number was she? Was she like Angela was a second. Was a second. Okay, okay.

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Angeline was the second one, but apparently after uh she was born, um her mom and dad, you know, were still together for some time.

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Yeah.

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And then uh the uh report stated that her parents separated after they gave birth to the third child. Okay.

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Okay.

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So the oldest child uh in that family lived with the father's family in Banyuangi. Can you pronounce that word?

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Banyuangi. So cute. Did I did I say that?

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Banyu.

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Banyu.

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Wangy.

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Wangy. Good. Wow. There you go.

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Yeah, that's awesome. And the youngest child lived with a grandmother in also in Banyuangy, but in a different region. Okay. Different cities. Okay.

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Okay.

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And Angeline ended up somewhere else entirely. Okay. Okay. And the story was so Angeline's mom gave birth in a small clinic and she could not afford to pay the hospital fee.

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Okay.

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So someone then introduced Angeline's mom to Margaret.

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Okay.

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Okay. So Margaret then um adopted her.

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So why did Margaret adopt Angeline? I mean, what was what's the reasoning there?

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I'm not sure about that, ladies and gentlemen.

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Really? Like what I don't know.

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I I I don't know why. Um, like the specific reasons for uh the adoption.

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Right.

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But Hamida, Angeline's biological mom, could not afford the hospital. Okay. And Margaret came and helped. You know, so she paid the hospital fee.

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So I guess it was like a if you let you know let me raise your child, I'll pay your hospital bills. And I guess I I I don't know what the you know the family situation was, but that must have been uh especially because she had more kids afterwards, right? So that must have been a a tough situation to be in. I don't know, give you a kid away.

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But she gave Angeline away like right after birth.

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Yes, but that doesn't mean it's not gonna be difficult as hell, right? Like, but anyway, okay. Um, you know, to each their own, and I who knows what the circumstances were. Yeah, but the turning point But the point is is that she had um that she had an agreement with Margaret to adopt her child. Okay. And presumably for, you know, a a better life or something like that, right?

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Yeah. And you know how much that Marguerite paid for the hospital to help uh Angeline's mom?

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That much.

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So she paid one point eight million rupees in total, which cost sounds like a lot, but which sounds like a lot. But if you convert that into USD, it's around a hundred a hundred and three bucks probably.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Damn. Yeah. That is not I mean, it's not a lot for here. Right. But a million is still But for that, you know, for I guess for that time and for also for Indonesia, that's a lot of money. So what is it? Like I I think that I looked this up and I I don't know what the actual numbers are now, but what's the average salary like per month in Indonesia?

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Oh, it really depends on the regions. Um I have to check how much but like do you have any idea? Like approximately like five years ago, for example, like in one city, maybe Jakarta, it was around three million something per month. So the average wage, yeah, like 200 million dollars. Yeah, 200, 250 dollars.

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Okay.

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And then uh different cities, depending on the infrastructure of the cities and all that, the average wage is also very different. So there was also like one city close to the East Java province, for example. The wage would be half of the average wage in Jakarta.

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Okay, let's say so yeah.

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Okay, so we could imagine that 1.8 million rupees at that time was a huge amount of money because it could mean one month's salary, right, for the family. So m um Angeline's mom couldn't afford to pay the hospital, and Marguerite offered help. Um, she said that she would pay the delifery cause, and she uh also said that she wanted to adopt the baby. And at that time, Marguerite came with uh Marguerite's husband. Uh his name is Douglas Carborough.

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Okay. Definitely not in Indonesian. Okay, no. Sounds like a white guy. Yeah.

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Yeah, so Mr. Douglas Carborough. Um, and um a lot of uh reports say that Douglas Carborough really loves Angeline anyway.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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That's good.

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And the story was three days after Angeline was born, the baby was taken by Margaret and her family.

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Okay.

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Okay. And then Angeline never met her biological parents again.

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Oh wow.

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So that's part of the agreement?

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Okay.

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The adoption agreement.

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Yeah.

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That she would just be completely separate. Yep. No. Okay, so it's really Margaret's child at this point, right?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And the name Angeline was also given by Margaret, and it's based on Margaret's own mom's name.

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Oh wow. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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So from that moment, Angeline belonged to a different world.

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Okay.

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However, there is uh a note here that the adoptions was not quite an adoption. And this part matters uh in this story.

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Okay.

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So what I have read and what I heard from the news, Angelin's adoption was not finalized through a court process.

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Oh, okay.

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But they had a notary agreement.

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Okay. So between Margaret and the biological parents, they had a notarized agreement. Um but it wasn't legally binding.

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Yeah. I am not sure how the adoption process is in India.

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I don't really know too much about law, so I would have no idea how that works.

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The sort of says that like in that agreement there were clauses that sound formal, but later feeling later feel chilling. For example, um a clause discussed that Angeline would become an heir of Margaret's family.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Right.

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And then Hamida's family, Angeline's biological mom's family, agreed to give up inheritance rights connected to Angeline.

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Okay, okay.

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And that was also a clause about what would happen if Angeline died.

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Oh, okay. Okay.

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And um between them they agree that the biological parents would not meet Angeline again until she turned 18.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Okay. Yeah, so but I mean I guess with like if if the if Margaret's raising Angeline, right, and and they're not you know, it sounds like it's a from what I'm hearing, it sounds like a typical adoption procedure, right? And um and you know, you don't you don't necessarily want to confuse the child, right? Especially if it's an adoptive set of parents, they're just wanting to, you know, have had their kid and for all due, you know, all intents and purposes is that's their kid, right? So um but as far as getting, you know, uh like what happens to Angeline if she or what happens to her property or whatever if she dies, I mean if if Angeline's whole life is from the stuff that Margaret and the husband give, then why wouldn't they get the money back? You know what I mean? Like why would it go to the biological parents to begin with?

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Yeah.

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You know what I mean? Like to me that's not surprising.

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Yeah, but I think at the beginning, um when they uh agreed to sign these clauses, maybe Angeline's biological mom didn't really think through what those clauses actually mean because you know, not a lot of people are uh have sufficient knowledge about laws, and I think and I'm assuming that um Angeline's mom was only thinking, if I just want my baby to get a better life, and this is the only way.

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Of course.

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So she did not think anything. She wasn't thinking through, yeah.

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Well, I mean, why would you, right?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah.

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You're assuming that the person has the best of intentions.

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And she probably didn't understand.

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I'm I'm I'm thinking now, you know, with your ominous, you know, you don't know what was going on in the home at the very beginning that this is not gonna be a very nice home environment for Angeline.

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No.

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Okay.

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So talking about the early life with the adoptive family, right? So in the early years, Angeline was accepted into the family. She also had two adoptive sisters, Yvonne and Christina. And both of them are older than her by decades.

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Oh wow. Okay.

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And then a very nice thing, I would say that this is kind of privilege. Angeline grew up speaking English at home with Margaret.

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Oh wow.

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Which was not very likely unless you have like a mixed family, you know. Right, right.

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So that's that's seen as like a a sign of status or like of of privilege.

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Yeah, yeah. You're right.

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Interesting.

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All right. Um, so the family was rich, they move around from one city to other cities in Indonesia, from Bakanbaru and then Bukhasi, that's uh one city in West Java. And then they came back to Bali again.

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Okay.

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Okay. And you remember I mentioned about Douglas, Margaret's husband. Okay. Um, he was described as somebody who truly loved her, truly loved Angeline.

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Yeah.

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But Douglas died on September 17, 2008.

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So one year after Angeline was born. Okay.

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One year after Angeline was born.

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Okay.

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So then um because of that, Margaret was deeply shaken by his death, and she raised Angeline as a single parent.

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Okay. Okay. And her p and her other kids were already gone, right?

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Yeah. So she raised Angeline as a single parent, and over time, um, because of her husband's death, people started noticing the changes in Margaret. Um, and the reported uh they the report says that Margaret became more temperamental, um, and then Angeline Still Alive started to look less like childhood and more like labor. So that's what the neighbors actually stated in the media.

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So I wonder if like the husband was part of the reason that they ended up getting Angeline in the first place. Like, I wonder if you know Margaret and um the husband like decided to be adoptive parents together and they're very excited about it. And then once he died, then Margaret was like devastated, and Angeline might now remind her of her late husband. Yeah, and so that could be like triggering for her because she's always seen Angeline and being like, you know, I now I'm stuck with this kid all alone, and kind of starts to resent her because of you know, because of being reminded by him.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Yeah, that's a good theory. But some resources also mentioned that Douglas, Margaret's husband, did not involve in the adoption.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

Oh, really?

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Well, people say that he really loved Angeline, but uh the uh reports say that Douglas did not get involved in that process. Oh wow. So not really sure what actually the motive of the adoptions maybe it's just a good date at that time, and then something changed in Margaret's life, you know.

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So I mean it her. Yeah, who knows? Okay, okay.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, so she she yeah, so things started to change, the environment started to change between them and Angeline was not really getting a great childhood. Yeah, yeah.

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A lot of people describe her as somebody like a labor, you know, like in in that house.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Yeah. And then by her last years, Angeline was responsible for a long list of chores. Okay. So she washed clothes, uh, she mobbed floors, she cleaned the house, she also fed chickens, dogs, and cats. And then in that house, apparently, uh, they had not only just a few chickens anyway, it's dozens of chickens. Wow. And she was responsible for feeding the chickens. If she forgot to do that, she would be punished.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Wow. Okay. For an eight-year-old, that's that's crazy.

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And maybe like some years before.

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I mean, I don't see anything wrong with having chores for your kids, right?

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Like I did that all the time.

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Yeah, me too. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah, we did dishes, we had like cleanup parties, you know, things like that. But like, no, but to but it doesn't sound like this is a typical, you know, chore thing. This is more like this. It's probably too much. Like responsibilities that are very real and more like an uh what an adult should handle.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Yeah, but you remember again, um, I describe that this family was rich, right? So and and they had helpers. Why wouldn't they be able to do that? They had the domestic workers. So that became the questions of people around uh around them. Right. Right? The house was big and the family was financially stable. She was speaking English in the house.

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Hmm.

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So something, right? Then people started thinking why she looked dirty, why she had to do all of the house chores.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Right. And if they had like help and then also they were rich, like why wouldn't this little girl be basically clean all the time, at least be hygienic and have decent clothes and not have to do all the chores because they already had help.

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Exactly.

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That's weird. It's almost like she was punishing her. Right?

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And then because of that, um, Angeline often arrived at school, she looked very tired, she uh looked dirty, she was wearing, you know, worn clothes, and sometimes uh her hair was very messy and smelly. So yeah, one day classmates complained about her smell, and then her teacher also noticed that oh, it's not it's not something good. I have to check something on her hair.

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Yeah, okay.

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Uh her teacher checked and then found chicken droppings stuck in her hair.

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Oh wow, that's gross.

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And because of that, the teacher bathed her and washed her hair at school.

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At school? Yeah.

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So that's very obvious that she did not live her childhood um as a normal kid.

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Wow. So sh I mean the fact that her teachers had to bathe her is really messed up. That says something about like the state that she was in.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Okay.

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And not only by bathing her, but her school sometimes also prepared her own food.

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Okay.

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That's um her teachers fed her too at school.

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Okay. So it looked like she probably came from like a super poor family. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Well, no. The reality is quite the opposite, yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah. So teachers observe uh that Angeline became quiet, sad looking, um, she was frequently late to school. You know, and the heartbreaking part was that this kid did not talk much about what was happening, and maybe she didn't talk at all about what was happening, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Yeah, that's so that's horrible.

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Yeah. And then um Angeline's mom, Margaret, she defended uh when people kind of like asked her what happened to your kid. Um, and Margaret said, uh, well, Angeline was a peaky eater and she only enjoyed milk and she does not want to eat uh other food that we prepare at home.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Yeah, and she did she also blame the bathing issue on the child too? Like really, okay. She's just like, oh, she doesn't like to take showers. It's like, well, sorry, but you kinda have to make them do you know, do those things. Right? But anyway.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Yeah, but the thing that surprised the teacher though, because Margaret said that oh no, she is a picky eater. But when the teachers at school fed her, Angel could finish even two plates of food. So they're like, well, your mom you eat anything that we give you.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

Alright, so it sounds like she was very possibly abused at home.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Yeah. And one point the school principal wanted to adopt Angeline.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Oh wow.

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But Margaret refused because she said, No, she is under my responsibilities, um, and I love her so much, and I'm just trying to teach her independence. That's what she said.

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There's a difference between independence and like stripping their childhood away.

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You know, like that's kind of like the background about um Angeline's upbrain.

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Up brain. Okay.

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And here is the disappearance. This happened on May 16, 2015. Okay, it's on Saturday. And Angeline was reported missing. So what the public hears at first is a simple story that Angeline was playing outside near the house in the afternoon, and then she was gone. And then the family says that the last time she was seen was around 3 p.m. And when she was not found by early evening, around 6 p.m., the police were contacted.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Okay. Um, I think it's pretty fast, but maybe because three hours. Yeah, like three hours, but commonly, even when I was a kid, if it's six p.m. or uh during the sunset, right? You have to go home, you have to be inside the house. Or you will see the ghost around or the grabber.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Yeah, you get yeah, you you have a lot of ghost stories back home.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

Oh, we have to tell about the ghost stories next time.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

For sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

But okay, yeah. So I I mean we I had a very different upbringing. Like we would, you know, we would go play outside for like a lot of time the whole day. And well, I mean, until it got dark out, if she you know, if our parents would be like, okay, you know, you know, come back for dinner. Or my mama actually had this like bell that she used to ring for us.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

Really?

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Yeah, yeah. It was like a cowbell, like this like giant I don't know if it was a cowbell. Anyway, it was loud enough. It was really so loud that like you could hear it in the park, like fucking.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

How far did you go playing though?

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Far, like pretty far. Like you could hear it like a hundred meters away, like easily, you know. So yeah, we would just be in the in the neighborhood, riding our bikes or you know, playing hockey or baseball or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Yeah, no, but anyway, um, but yeah, I guess it's it's it's different now, I think.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

In it's different now, but back then like, oh the sunset.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

That's why I'm saying like three hours wouldn't be that crazy to to me when I was a kid, I guess. But yeah, I understand that.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

But we don't know like who actually reported the missing case.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

Um you don't know if like they were expected home at a certain time for like dinner or something like that. And if that were the case, then yeah, I'd be worried.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

But this the interesting thing here is Angeline's adoptive sister. Okay. It's uh one of them, I guess. Um so she created a Facebook page um entitled Find Angeline Bali's missing child.

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Okay. So a lot of people looked at Facebook at that time, and Instagram was not a thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:44

When was Instagram out? I mean, I not as big of a thing, I'm sure, right? No.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

No, not in 2015, I think.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

2015. I don't know. I'm I don't know. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Yeah, I think Facebook was more popular at that time. Eve is Instagram was around. Or yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Either way, they made a Facebook page. They're fine, okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

They've um they they made a Facebook page, uh, fine Angeline, Bali's missing child, and another uh adoptive sister made the flyers.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

So a lot of people notice uh noticing the missing the missing child.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Then the case became viral. So the case goes national and outside eyes arrived.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Okay. Um, and as the story spreads, people from outside the household start showing up. And then there is this one major group in Indonesia. This is Indonesia's Child Protection Commission. Uh, they call it KPAE.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

And their chair uh at that time named Aris Mrdeka Sirait.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Um I will never be able to remember that name.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

I'm gonna train you after this podcast. I know. I will train him to pronounce R, everyone, after this.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

Oh, I know how to give the R.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Okay, now say it. Aris.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Aris.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Mrdeka.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Mrdeka.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Siraid.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Sirait.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Wow!

SPEAKER_02 31:01

Pretty good. Perfect. You killed it.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

You killed it. Okay. Alright. So one major group is Kape Ai, uh, Indonesia's Child Protection Commission. Their chair uh at that time, Bapa Aris Merdeka Siraid comes to Bali and meets with police. And then he goes to the house.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Yeah. So they went to Angeline's house, Margaret's house, okay?

SPEAKER_04 31:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

And they were very shocked when they see the environment um in that house. Right. Because they were like, wait, hold on, this house is big, and I heard that they're super rich, but the conditions are very poor, like not suitable for a child.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Not in terms of the building and anything like that, but it's just roomy.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

Right. Well, more in line probably with what they saw from like the school and how she was dirty and how she was not taken care of. It's not yes.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

I'm not surprised by that. It sounds like that's exactly you know the type of life that she was living. It was just that you wouldn't expect that from a a rich family. No. Yeah. With help, too. Which is exactly.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

And they were also surprised to see uh a lot of chicken cages anyway.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

In the house? In the house.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Oh wow. I should not describe that in the house. It's in the um property.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

Yeah, on the yeah, in the yard. In the yard, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So it's not actually in the house. Not inside the house. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

So then Kapea um even talks about taking over temporary custody of her Angeline.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

I guess the situation was really, really horrible because, you know, uh Angeline's chair in the school wanted to adopt her, and then the Innicious Child Protection Commission. Adopt her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

But I mean they wouldn't be able to be able to take Angeline until they found her, obviously. So they would need to she's still missing, right? So it doesn't really matter at this point if they, you know, if they're threatening to take her away, it's like, well, yeah, find her first.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

You know, like Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

So then again, uh Margaret Margaret was so defensive. Okay. Right. She told everyone, I love my daughter.

SPEAKER_04 33:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Um again, after this case received the attention from Indonesia's Child Protection Commission, another ministry, which is I think two government ministers also came to the house.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Um this is from the Minister for Women's Empowerment and Child Protection.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

So two government ministers also come to the house and then Margaret refused refused to meet them.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

She refused to meet them?

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Or they she didn't want to meet them.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

That's a little sketchy.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

They were not allowed inside a swall by her.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

I mean, what did they say they wanted to come to the house for? Is it just to help find Angeline or was it to scrutinize her more? You know, because like if if it was because they wanted to assess, you know, and like talk more about the crappy living conditions, I can understand if I were her, you know, to be like, you know what, screw this. Like you guys should be spending your time focusing on the case and finding her rather than, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

But well, I don't know if they stated clearly uh to Margaret in terms of like the purpose of why they visited the the house. But they uh heard maybe like some neighbors reported to the police about the kids' situation, and then they kind of forced them to hey, visit the house, see what happened inside the house, because we cannot do that, you know. Like the neighbors could not do this, but they were all suspicious. So they wanted to know what's actually inside the house.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Yeah, I mean, it especially if you don't know what's happened to the kid, like what if Margaret had something to do with it, right? Like maybe she's you know, especially because she was that, you know, disheveled and she was all dirty and everything, you know, like maybe she just like treated her so poorly that one day she got upset and killed her, you know, like murdered her, right?

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Maybe, but at this point, um nobody thought that she was involved that Margaret was involved, you know. So it's just part of the investigations. I want to know the environment that the kid was leaving.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

But a local support organization, wow, it drew another attention, like uh some other attentions from another organization called Pedua Te Pedua. P2TP2A. I don't know what that stands for. Okay. Um and they start saying publicly that, oh, we're really worried that this is not kidnapping. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Okay, so they're the first ones to sort of accuse something happening in the house.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Something happened inside the house. Okay. And they said that uh we don't think that Angeline just ran away. There should be something that we have to investigate further. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Okay. And I this and did we know uh from like the parents and from the friends and all that stuff? Did we know that Angeline because you said she was a little bit like quiet and meek and stuff, but like that doesn't really speak to whether or not she'd be willing to run away. Did they talk to people and interview people about that at all?

SPEAKER_01 36:40

No. I guess it's only the public assumptions and uh this assumption kind of like force force the organizations and the officials to get involved.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

Got it.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

And uh they actually started from the simple reasoning, but apparently this is kind of like powerful reasoning because there are very few signs that she was taken from outside. So they could not find anything.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

So they had and they had they probably had no motive either, right? Like what you know, what reason would anyone want to come in and take Angeline out of the house? And it's I mean, that does happen, but it's very rare.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Yeah, and there was no footage. There was no footage outside the uh environment. So no time.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

I assume they probably had security cameras, right? I mean, it's well I don't know if they did, but maybe, but if it's well, it it's not mentioned in the news that I heard. I mean, even we have security cameras. We do. I mean it's we're we're certainly not rich struggling for money. Um okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Okay. All right. So very few signs she was taken from outside. Um, and they know now that the adoptive mother, Margaret, is described as uncooperative.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:54

Right.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

And uh a former household, remember this house was really big and they had maids, you know. A former household um helper says something like, Oh, the day before Angeline was reported missing, she had a nosebleed after being hit.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

By her mother? By Margaret?

SPEAKER_01 38:12

We don't know, but we don't know. But she had a nose bleed of being hit. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know, he they a former household, you know, yeah. Reported that, but this person was not very sure like who did that. Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

And so the idea though that I was mentioning earlier that maybe someone in the house, like Margaret, was pretty pissed off at her one day for something, wasn't paying, you know, maybe maybe Angeline wasn't doing her chores in time or something like that. And then, you know, she got pissed, hit her, and they got into a big scuffle, who knows? Okay. Yeah. But but yeah, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

But now the big question is where did she go?

SPEAKER_02 38:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

If she's not taken from the house from outside, then was she still in the house? Exactly. What happened?

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Okay. So what happened before she went missing then? If um the helper also saw that she got hit and she had the noseplate, you know. So here is the discovery. Oh June 10th, 2015, uh the police searched the property again. And surprisingly, the official the officers noticed a strong smell. Oh no, amount of soil that does not look natural.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

And this is around this is on the property, like around the house. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

Okay. And they also had this dog tracker. Do you call it as a dog tracker?

SPEAKER_02 39:41

Yeah, I guess so. It was a I mean, it was a uh I don't know, is it a cannabis? No, no. Like the place always has this dog. Yeah. So dog tracker, sure. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

Yeah sounds right to me. Yeah, and because of that, um, they dig in the backyard and then they find Angeline buried on the property near a banana tree, covered with trash.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Oh my god, that's disgusting. What? Yeah, that's so disrespectful. Like, that's messed. So whoever put her there was obviously not a fan of hers. If she's covering her in trash, like, oh my god, like the amount of things.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

Like, who actually did that?

SPEAKER_02 40:30

And that's on the property. My guess is Margaret.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

Yeah, and she was buried together with her doll. Like, oh my god. Wow could you imagine that?

SPEAKER_02 40:42

Wow, under a bunch of trash, like holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Yeah. So everyone was searching and then the police found the body. So an autopsy was done. Okay. And the result of the autopsy, um, it estimates that Angeline had been dead for roughly three weeks.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Oh wow. So from pretty much the time she went missing. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

And then the cause of death, um, they said uh she had blunt force trauma to the head and the face, and then leading to the brain bleeding. So that's the one.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Yeah, so she died from being hit on the head. And yeah, okay. So do they know what the murder weapon was? Like what was the uh what was the theory then behind everything? Who was you know convicted? Who is who is charged and who is suspected? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

Okay, let's so people oh sorry, not people, police questioned seven people connected to the house. So Margaret, of course, right? Yvonne and Christina, um, Angeline's adoptive sisters, and they were staying in the US at that time because they're pursuing, you know, school in the US.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

But they were why would they be question? I mean, I guess they could be questioned for information. Yeah, just for information as suspects, obviously. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

And then um Agustai. Did I mention Augusta at all at the beginning of the story?

SPEAKER_02 42:15

I think you did. Remind reminder.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Probably not. It's uh the household helper.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

So Margaret was interrogated, Yvonne Christina, and then Augustai, the household helper. Um, and there were two tenants in the house. Okay so like in Indonesia, sometimes people have this house rented um and they stay there, you know, so two tenants there, yeah, and a security guard.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

So police name first suspect Agustai.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

And he's the the help or the security. The helper.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Okay, he's the household helper.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

Okay. So he was the first suspect of the case.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Right.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Do you know why? Can you guess?

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Well, I don't know. He was I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

I did not provide any details of him. No, you haven't given me any information at the end. And um I think it also surprised people. Yeah. So because uh Agus initially confessed and claimed um about killing Angeline.

SPEAKER_02 43:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

So he confessed and claimed.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

Okay, well that's a pretty big reason to suspect him.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

He just he just confessed.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

So he just confessed out of nowhere, like they interviewed him and he said, Yeah, I did it.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

Yeah, I did it. You know? But then please compare the confession with forensic evidence.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Yeah, and it didn't match.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

And it didn't match.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

So then why do you have to confess for murdering a kid, you know? Um, so some people say because August received money.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

Probably. That's what I was thinking. I was thinking like you're gonna be money is sounds like someone tried to bribe him to take the fall, right?

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

But actually, because there was no match between In the confession and the forensic medical findings, the uh crimes and investigation uh uh continued, right?

SPEAKER_03 44:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

So apparently through the reconstructions and you know what is that before the reconstructions, um they kept digging for information from Augus and they tried to do some more investigation, and what happened was Margaret.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

What?

SPEAKER_01 44:27

What if I Margaret was the mastermind. So Margaret What a surprise. What a surprise, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 44:36

Yeah, the the the woman who's basically treated her daughter like garbage for this entire time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

Yeah. Okay, so so she was the mastermind who what she was the mastermind, and uh some said that she actually killed um Angeline, but Marg uh but Agus uh helped her bury the body. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

So what are the mo like what's the motive?

SPEAKER_01 45:03

Exactly. That's a very good question. Well, what I heard is they don't know, and Margie did not confess about the motive of killing her, but some say is that because of the money you you remember, like at the beginning when she adopted um Angeline in the hospital. Right. Oh, maybe she took like clauses, you know.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Oh, maybe she took like a life insurance policy out on her daughter, and because she was so young, she could probably get like some really big life insurance policies.

SPEAKER_01 45:33

Yeah, but there was no official statement about the mortif. But that's you know, a lot of us a lot of people actually assume that.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

Oh, I wonder, yeah, I wonder if like the whole um what Augustai? Augusta, yeah. I wonder if him taking the fall was so that she could get the insurance money and then she could give him a portion of it. Right? Like, or something like that, or give it to his family if he had to go to jail or yeah, I don't know, something like that.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

Yeah. So that's a very wild story. Margret finally received live imprisonment and Augusta received 10 years. Um, and I actually checked something before this podcast. Apparently, Marguerite last year.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

Oh damn. Really? From what?

SPEAKER_01 46:25

From uh kidney disease.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

Kidney disease?

SPEAKER_01 46:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Oh damn.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

Well, I mean, but she spent how long in prison before that happened?

SPEAKER_01 46:38

From 2017.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

Okay.

unknown 46:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Oh no, no, 2016.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Okay. So she had a decent amount of February 29th, 2016.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

Because I'd received a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

You know, I think sometimes that like maybe this is cruel to say, but like I don't think, you know, when people die really quickly after doing something horrible like that, I don't think they deserve to die. Like, I think they deserve more. You know what I mean? Like they should be in prison for a while to have a crappy life, you know. So Well, it's really sad. Well, I guess that's me being cruel, but it's like, you know, you shouldn't get off easy. That's really messed up. You took someone's whole life away from them, and that can never be given back.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

You know, and she is an innocent child. I mean, she adopted her and then she killed her. Like, come on. I mean, how how devastated it will be for Angeline's mom, like biological mom, knowing knowing about this, you know.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Yeah. But at the yeah, I know. Well, especially if we're assuming that she did it to give her daughter a better life, right? Um we don't we don't know the situation there, unfortunately, but yeah, I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and think, you know, they're trying to do something for the best. Um who knows? Damn, well, thank you. That was good. That was really good. Wow. That was a that was a that was an intense one.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

It's an intense one.

SPEAKER_02 48:08

I'm gonna have to bring my uh my A game next time for sure. So all right. Okay. So me next week, I guess. I have no idea what I'm gonna do. Uh, but thanks everyone for listening. Thank you everyone for listening.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

And that's the story for episode four.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Episode four of Tell Me the Crime. See you next week. See you next week.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

Bye.