Episode 9: Lost for Hours… Missing for Three Months

He left to clear his head.
Just a short trip to a waterfall trail near Mount Salak.

A few hours passed.
Then he came home.

But when he walked through the door—
his family was already mourning him.

Because to them…
he had been gone for three months.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

He left home at ten in the morning. By three in the afternoon, he thought he was back from an ordinary trip. But when he walked through the door, his family was crying because of them. He had not been gone for a few hours. He had been missing for three months. Today's story is about a man at a mountain in Indonesia and a stretch of lost time that still doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Welcome back. Tell me the Crown. Episode nine, I believe. I believe.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

New episodes every Friday.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

So uh This is our ninth Friday.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Ninth, yeah. Ninth planet. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is time flies so fast. Yeah. But we have been doing it for nine weeks in a row now, which is awesome. So well, aside from that one time that I screwed up and missed one week and then had to double up. We're good, yeah. We're doubled up. We're caught up. So, okay. Um, so tell me about this quote unquote crime because he said it's not quite a crime. You weren't even sure if you wanted to do it because you said I don't think. I gave him a hand.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

I gave him a hand. This is not a crime.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

It's kind of like a horror, she says. So I was I was thinking, like, okay, well, yeah, like just do it. Let's hear what it is. What's uh what's the what's the um horror slash not crime? Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Okay, so the title is Lost for Hours, Missing for Three Months.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Ooh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

What will be your guess from my title?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Law Lost for Three Hours, Missing for Three. Three months. Three months, okay. Huh. That uh I mean, maybe a little kid got like went missing after And then found after three months? Yeah. Maybe like the parents, like I don't freaking know. Like who fucking knows? Let's start. Give me some more hints.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

The hint is uh the setting of this story is in one of the beautiful mountains in a tropical place.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Okay. Beautiful mountains in a tropical place. That that is not a hint. That doesn't tell me shit.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Hey, I I always give you the best cues. You do, you really do. The clearest cues.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Okay. So that that's that's a super clear one, ladies and gentlemen. Let's uh let's let's hear what else you got for me.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Yeah, so um the setting is in Mount Salak.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Mount Salak. Is this like another is this an Indonesian?

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Yeah. I did not tell him about it.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

No. How do you know? It sounds Indonesian.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

How do you know? Well, how are you speaking Indonesian?

SPEAKER_01 3:08

It's weird, right? I I'm it's almost like I have a wife who is Indonesian. Weird that I would recognize sounds and names that are Indonesian.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Yeah. Uh actually salak is uh the name of fruit. Translated into English. I think it's snake fruit. Have you ever got one?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

I think I actually have. I can't remember what it is though. I've had a lot of exotic fruits, just like because I always try new shit, you know?

SPEAKER_00 3:37

I don't think you ever have the snake fruit. No, it sounds what does it look like? Not drag not dragon fruit. Okay, it's completely different from there.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Okay, okay. Well they're both kind of reptiles, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

I know, you always play that, like you associate something with whatever cue that I gave you before and all. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Those uh those two kinds of fruit they're super different.

SPEAKER_03 3:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Okay. Alright. So the uh setting is Mount Salad. Um the mountain where people usually go hiking. That's just one of the sides, so it's very beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

I've never done that because I was scared of doing this kind of challenge, you know, go hiking in a mountain. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Hiking in a mountain, that sounds fun to me though.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Oh, you're gonna try it. I'm not gonna join, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Okay, okay. You'll be down on the beach somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Yeah. Well, I did it once, uh actually. But it's not that this kind of long, long trail, because in Indonesia, if you go hiking, you can go miles and uh people do hiking for days.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

Oh, now I understand what the three hour or like the couple hours to to 30 days. Well, going the wrong path up a mountain, uh you probably you know go three hours in the wrong direction and then you end up three months lost. I mean, that's we'll see. Okay. Okay, we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Okay. Um, so this the story today, it is not about violence, I think.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

At least it's not about violence, okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Mm-hmm. Um, this is about a guy named Edo.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Edo.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

So he was in his early twenties. Um, he was living around Bogor in Indonesia. So Bogor is in West Java.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Okay. And at that time, he had just gone through a breakup. Okay. Um, so for him, it was a huge thing, and he said that it's not like a casual breakup because this person was somebody that he had been with for years.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Right, okay. So he he it didn't happen. Like it he didn't expect it? Is that what you're gonna do?

SPEAKER_00 5:57

He did not he did not expect it. Now, because he had that breakup, um, he was very depressed, um, he was mentally unstable, and maybe he was not thinking clearly, right? So what do you think if someone is in that state, what would the person usually do? If the person is in that kind of situation, like in a you know, you you just had um Oh, you just have like a really bad break.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

I mean you're you're gonna get a pretty bad mind mind space or mental headspace. So it's and you want to escape, right? You want to escape, of course. So going up a mountain alone on a trip actually sounds probably pretty nice in that mindset.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Yeah, so that's what he was actually doing. Uh he's already not in a good state, and then he decided to go back to a place that he remembered from when he was younger. Um, there is this waterfall, the waterfall trail near Mount Salak.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

The problem is though, is when you're when you're in a really bad mental headspace, your decision-making skills are kind of uh heading. 10 out of 10. Yep, you got it. Always do it, guys. Go run off into the dark and dark alleys, you know, everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Is that a guy's thing?

SPEAKER_01 7:18

No. I mean, no, you just I'm being sarcastic, bro. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

I don't know. Maybe that's a guy's thing.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

No.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Okay, no.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

No, no, all right, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

Okay, so he decided to go back to a place that he remembered um that he liked visiting when he was younger, a waterfall trail near Mount Salak. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 7:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

And uh because Mount Salak is known for the dense forests, uh the confusing terrain, and it also has a lot of stories about people getting lost.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

Not just physically lost, but like disoriented in a deeper way.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

And even the how high is this mountain? Like how is it like a really tall one, or is it like the elevation? Mountains are by definition tall, but you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Yeah. The elevation is 2,211 meters, which is 7,000 and something feet. Wow, that's high. That's very high. So do you want to go hiking?

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Kind of, yeah. Yeah, no, you the pressure change definitely makes people lightheaded and hard to breathe up at that altitude.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

And this mountain had eruptions several times.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Oh, so it's a volcano, not just a mountain. Okay, damn.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

So how how do you how do you define mountains here? Like it's a mountain is just like a big hill. Yes, just a big hill. It's not that.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Mountains are very, very tall hills, right? Essentially. But uh a volcano is is the one that can erupt with like lava and right, like but not every mountain has that, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:56

So no, that is the uh non-active volcano, but also still high.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Okay. So yeah, he was not in a great state. He wanted to visit his favorite place. Um, and here the location matters, okay?

SPEAKER_03 9:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

When he was a teenager, he used to go there with his friends. And on the way to the waterfall, they would pass through a small village. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Now you can imagine if there is this village near the mountain, um, it's usually quiet, and uh the people in the village they probably know each other, but they're usually very friendly, they're very outgoing, they help each other, so that's uh very typical um villagers in Indonesia.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Well, you said that that's pretty I mean that like Indonesians in general are a very kind. Yeah, they're just very friendly people, yeah. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

They're nice people. Okay. And he remembers something very specific. Okay, so something um sometimes the older man in that village would call out to them, to him and his friends when they were younger, and offer their daughters to walk with them as guides.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

As guides? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Okay to go hiking in the trail or to go to the waterfall trail.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

So wait, who was asking the daughters? Wait, what uh sorry, maybe I my age.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

So the older man, the older man in that village.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

The older men in that village sometimes talk to them, so him and also his friends. Um and uh they also talk, hey, if you need any help, my daughters can Oh my daughters can.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Okay, sorry, I misheard that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Walk with you and cheese.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

They my daughters, they could guide you, basically. Okay?

SPEAKER_04 10:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

But that's uh just random detail anyway. Um that detail though stuck with him. So the story is at that time he just uh had a really bad breakup and uh he wanted to escape and then he wanted to go to the waterfall trail and he remembered that it's this one small village, and uh his memory went back to the older man in that village and all that.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

With the with the two daughters, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

And after his breakup, he said he didn't want to talk to his male friends anymore because um they would just tell him to move on. You know, it's maybe like the feeling of being judged if I tell people about my situation.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean it gets to a point sometimes where people just get tired of hearing the same story.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Which is unfortunate because it's like the it's not gonna stop the the person from feeling that pain, you know. But they yeah. I I get it though. Sometimes it's just uh yeah, you you can only complain for so long. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Okay, so I guess a lot of people probably experience the same thing, um, but like different sources of breakup. And this guy thought maybe talking to someone unfamiliar would feel easier for him.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Yeah, definitely. Oh, of course. Right. Well, uh yeah, it's it's it's easier because you won't be judged for anything that you say because you're not gonna know them like you and you probably won't see them again.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

And then also they wouldn't have heard the story a thousand times. So yeah, they wouldn't get annoyed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Okay. So he decided to go to that small village, uh, he takes public transportation, and then he walks through the village.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

When he gets there, uh he says that the place looks exactly the same.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Not just similar. He emphasized it, it's exactly the same as uh when he was a teenager. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

So the same layout, the same atmosphere, the same feeling.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

Um yeah, I guess it's already weird in itself. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

I just Well, what about the scene was exactly the same? Did he was it like you know, something eerie where like a you know, a hay a barrel of hay or something or whatever, some twigs were like in a specific f you know um orientation or something that he that just really stood out?

SPEAKER_00 13:26

No. For him it was more like, oh, I've been here before and I think it's uh just the same thing, like kind of like a deja vu and yeah, like re-experiencing something. Okay, so that's why like everything is exactly the same.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Um and then this is where it gets really strange. The older man that he uh uh used to see when he was younger calls out to him and also asks him where he's going. And uh he says that, oh, I'm heading to the waterfall. Okay. So the man offers his daughter to accompany him.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Okay. So I'm not sure if it's real or not real um in terms of seeing that man, and the man offers him and uh tell him that hey, my daughter can accompany you. I don't know, okay, but that's what he shared um anyway. So because time changes places, to him it felt like stepping back into a memory. So as you said, it's probably just deja vu.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

Yeah, could be, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

And then this is where it gets really, really strange again.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Um so so was the I mean, what this old man, it was the same old man. The same old daughter and the same daughter. Well, one of the two daughters. But was I mean, was there anything about them that was the same?

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Like did was it like You was just thinking that everything was just the same. Like the daughter's age and everything, too.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

So the daughter's age was apparently the same and the old man was the same. And you'd think that maybe the old man had passed away at that point. Because you were you were a kid, right? Yeah. So okay, okay. Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Okay. Um, yeah, same interactions uh with him as well. Instead of questioning, like when you feel something weird, you were like, hey, what's h what's what's going on? Is uh am I dreaming or something, right? But he did not do that, he just accepted it. Like, yeah, you know, like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

That's kind of that's kind of strange too. Exactly. It's turns out exactly the same way, and it's like, wow, I did this exact sequence of events and these exact same conversations. I'd be a little weird. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

So he walks with the daughter, and uh this part is very normal, like very human. I give a cute human, okay? So very human.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

He tells her everything about the breakup, uh how lost he feels, all of it. And she was there and she was just listening, but she did not give any advice, she did not react, she was just listening. Yeah, so it's like you're talking to exactly talking to a wall, yeah. Like you're talking to a wall, but there is somebody that that's listening to you.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Yeah, which is sometimes all you need though, right? Like sometimes you just want to be heard, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Yeah, but I have to actually tell you something from the Indonesian perspective, like this kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 16:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

So if it's in the mountain, um people there believe, well, not all of all all people, but um some people, especially maybe villagers who live uh in a mountain, they believe that mountain is a sacred place.

SPEAKER_03 16:38

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

Because it indicates um, you know, they uh probably have some worship or something and associates the place with the highness. Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Something like that. So is it disrespectful to be speaking or not?

SPEAKER_00 16:52

No, it's not about the disrespect of speaking to her or to him, but the hint here is he probably was not a human. So from how this daughter reacted when he when uh he was talking to her, yeah, she did not react at all. It's like you have a company, but that company does not act like nothing.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

So she wasn't acting like a human, you're saying So she's just acting weird as if like she can't hear him or something, or as like a ghost. As like a ghost. Okay. Okay. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Alright, so now the shift. Uh but then he leaves. Okay. So after s um after some time, I don't know how they parted ways, but then he leaves, and then that's when things start to feel off. At first, he just cannot find the path back. So he wanna he he went hiking, and then he put like some trails, you know, to give a sign, okay, I'm gonna go back. Uh yeah, you put some markers on like trees or something like that. But he just cannot find the path back, okay? And then it gets so worse. So the surrounding do not look familiar anymore.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Yeah. Well, it's it's pretty easy to f get lost in big mountains like that though.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

And the route doesn't match what he remembers. But usually in um in in a mountain where it offers some hiking trails, they usually have the signs, right? Now this guy, he could not see any signs. And this mountain is where people go hiking. One of the mountains. Okay. So he expected and he and he was there uh before, so he expected to see the common signs as he did hike before.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Okay, okay. So he's not like it's his first time.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Mm-hmm. And he says it feels like he's walking, but not really going anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

It sounds like the guy was like he ha he he was high or something, you know. Like he's you know, he's potentially like you said, it's not something legal. It could be, right, but I'm not saying it's necessarily drugs. I'm saying I'm saying that it could be that he's up on a mountain and he you know the pressure change and the lack of oxygen to the brain could lead to um hallucinations.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Yeah, maybe. Maybe like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

Yeah, confusion and and hallucinations.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

This is based on uh some myth and what people believe, you know.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

So I I'm not very sure uh what the real real story and the fact is. Because he, this guy, actually came back and then he told the story to people.

SPEAKER_04 19:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Okay, so he could not find uh the path back, and at some point he also sees an old woman sweeping.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Sweeping? Like on a mountain.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

That doesn't make any sense. He was definitely hallucinating.

unknown 19:57

Come on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

I mean, unless it's a ghost, which I don't know. I don't know if I believe in ghosts, but I don't know, I don't I don't rule it out. It's uh it's kind of like one. It's a possibility. I think it's a possibility for sure. But we never know. Like you can never really tell unless you actually see one, and then even then you're like, well, was that just a hallucination? Am I schizophrenic or a real ghost? Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

So he sees an old woman sweeping on a mountain, and uh he asks her for directions, and she does not really respond normally, just like the daughter. You know? Okay, and she just points, like when you ask me for directions, there babe, there, there.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Yeah, oh my god, you're the worst at directions.

unknown 20:46

But I point.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Where? No, you don't point. You don't point. You're just like over there. Like where is it?

SPEAKER_03 20:52

Right here.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Right here, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

So yeah, no, I I get it though.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

There's some sort of auditory information that you're getting, right? Like you're you're vocal at least, right? Like no one's gonna just point without saying anything unless they're mute or like yeah, or deaf.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

This old woman, uh, she did not speak any word, uh, she only pointed to the uh the directions that he could go.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

But at least she was responding, unlike the person, the girl. That was not responding, yeah. Not doing anything.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

And then after that, uh, this old woman uh goes back to sweeping again. It's really weird, like sweeping in the mountain.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

But I could I could picture that though in my head. Yeah, me too. Like based on the movies that I have watched, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah, that's creepy. It does remind me of like a horror film. Like you know, you just walking up a mountain and like the creepy, like like violin background music, and I don't know, like the off-tune kind of anyway.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Okay, so he follows the direction that she pointed out anyway, and eventually he uh reaches. Is a road. Um but it's not where it should be.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Okay. So he realizes he's in a completely different area than expected, much farther than it should be.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:15

But he's super tired, he doesn't question it too much, and he just goes home.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

So how did he get home from there if he didn't know where he was?

SPEAKER_00 22:24

I have no clue. He was just following the path, he was just following the road. Um and he left around like 10 a.m. Um he gets home around 3 p.m.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

So for him, it's just been about five hours. Yeah. That's based on what he shared, like the story that he shared to people. Okay. He walks into his house and his mom is crying.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Mmm, because he's been gone for 30 hours, right? Or was it three days? For five hours. According to him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

And his mom is crying. Um it's like grieving crying, not the real live crying. Yeah. And he was confused, like, why are you crying like that? You know, what's wrong? I'm here, I'm at home. And then she tells him, You've been gone for three months.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Whoa. Three months?

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Yes, you've been gone for three months.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

I thought you okay, I I was misremembering. I thought you said three days or something. Three months.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Three months. Wow. So his family thought that he was dead.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

But he just came back home and uh he thought that why?

SPEAKER_01 23:31

How did he survive that long if if like that's the thing, right? If he was actually gone for three months, yeah. Where like how is he eating and getting you know, getting water and all that? Like that's huh.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

This is something though, um about the myth.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Um I'm not sure there are a lot of versions of the myth, but mountain is something that's uh a place that's very sacred. And um some other hikers also had the experience of getting lost and just going around and around and around in the mountain. Um, and um one of the reasons that they admit it was they did something inappropriate. The examples, okay? So that is this group of hikers that um so one of them took an alcohol. Okay, because of the belief in in that place, they thought that oh, if I take an alcohol, then the gardens, the guardians?

SPEAKER_01 24:36

The gardens of what?

SPEAKER_00 24:37

The guardians, the guardians of the country.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Oh, the guardians, oh okay, the guardians.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

The guardians of the mountains.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Oh, so they're taking like alcohol to the guardians as like a gift or something?

SPEAKER_00 24:45

No, they just they drink the alcohol, they they drink it, um, but according to their beliefs, it's you know, alcohol is something restricted.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Oh, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Like the society believes you you don't get drunk, basically. Right?

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Really?

SPEAKER_00 24:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Oh, in in like Indonesia in general?

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Not in general, but like in villages like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Oh, damn. Okay. Yeah. Good to know. Good to know. I'm gonna go there and get wasted, and people are gonna be like, what the hell's wrong with this guy?

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Exactly. But that's an example from this group of hikers, okay? So um one of them just took an alcohol and they said that they did not do anything appropriate, and then they got the consequence in the mountain. So, for example, they got stranded by whatever superpower that they thought because of that.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Because like some spirits were punishing them or something, right? So, yeah, so according to the spirits, they broke some rules, and because of that, they're being punished. So, can that be the crime in this story? Right? Yeah, like maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Like between human and non-humans, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. And another example is um, so I I don't know if I can give this example.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Okay, let's hear it. Let's hear it anyway. I want to hear it. Um can't tell the uh listeners that and then not say it.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

Uh how do I frame it?

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Spit it out, bro. Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Okay, boys and girls relationship, for example, right? You cannot you cannot kiss your partner in public. Something like that. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Or you cannot do something wrong in in that setting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Okay. Because it also You can have sex, is that what you're trying to avoid saying? Like, I feel like you're trying to avoid saying like sex or like penis or something like that. I'm like, dude, like oh babe, that doesn't exist. Right. Let's talk about only things that are PG, right? We're on a fucking crime podcast, bro. Like, people are gonna be okay with it.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

Okay, yeah. Yes, something like that. Okay. So that would be considered like uh breaking the rules in that sacred place anywhere. Okay. So the spirit will be really angry with them and you know, all that. So they will reset the consequences. Um a related story to this one, too, by a group of hikers who also got lost. They were experiencing listening to the traditional music from the ancient kingdom in Indonesia. Okay, I saw like the old ladies sweeping and they were dancing, kind of thing, like in the mountain, you know?

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

So there's that kind of thing. Um I'm a little bit scared of uh telling them how it's gonna not go out of this room without you into this.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Yeah, well, right before we started this podcast. I love that I just like rot you out as soon as we start this, but no, she was in the kitchen and you're like, babe, talk to me, okay? Because like you were alone in the kitchen after reading this story right out there, and I was like, okay, what is this? Yeah, well you and your ghosts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

I don't know. Uh we have the term called mrinding.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Mrinding?

SPEAKER_00 27:57

Yeah, it's like you got the goosebum. Ah, but you cannot tell why. But you you kind of like feel, oh, somebody's watching you. Oh, yeah, I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

I know what you mean. When that I think there's a the saying is like when your hair stands up on your neck or something.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

And remember the time when I was in the kitchen and you were working upstairs and I was cooking.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

And suddenly the uh TV on?

SPEAKER_01 28:22

That was creepy, actually. I I was like, Was that creepy or not?

SPEAKER_00 28:26

I was terrified. I thought you went down because I was listening to the city.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Yeah, because you started calling me and I was like, What? What? And you're like, oh, like, did you I can't remember what you said, but it was something like, oh did you switch on the TV?

SPEAKER_00 28:38

I was yelling at you because sometimes you don't think that's the one.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

I thought you were downstairs listening to the TV, and I was like, okay, well, like what's going on? And yeah, no, it just switched on. I heard it, I heard it switch on too.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

It just switched on, and then you went down, and then we met right in front of the uh stairs, um, and we can see that TV from that. But and it just switched off.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

But the thing, yeah, I know that was actually bad. That was creepy too. That that part that it just switched off, but you know, it could just be some random frequency that was like from some controller, some phone or something that just like bounced off of another, you know, building or who knows, like it could just be something, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Yeah, because you would not just go down and sit in front of the TV without you know talking to me usually. Yeah. Like he wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Because I need permission, guys, because she doesn't allow me to watch TV without her.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

No, no, no, no, that's not real. No, I know. No, so I was very surprised. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Going back to that scope. Going back to the scope. There is the myth. Okay. Um, not sure if it involves some kind of crime between human and non-human, but some people have the belief you have to respect the place where you are. You have to to be a human, you know, you don't throw um. Yeah, you don't be disrespectful. Right. Exactly. Yeah. You respect the nature. That's basically it. You know, you respect the nature in every way. So if you go camping, you have to be responsible for your maybe that's actually the moral values of that, but I don't know how people could get the consequence of that supernatural.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Right. So was so is what you're getting at then this idea that he went missing for a long time and people speculated that he might have done something wrong and he was punished for it by some spirits or something. And like, is that what people are getting at?

SPEAKER_00 30:35

Well, people are getting at is uh they really didn't know what happened to him. They did not get any news, but they knew that oh yeah, he probably went somewhere with his friends because he didn't tell anybody, right, about the breakup yet. Yeah. So he probably was just trying to escape for a little bit. But I had no clue how he could survive for those three months because in his mind it's not three months, it's just a couple hours.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

But here's here's gonna be the me playing devil's advocate and just then trying to trying to give rational explanation. Yeah, yeah. I want I want you to do to do that. Here's actually where it could be. Like, I'm just gonna make up something, right? But um it could be like here's where a crime could come in, right? Like, let's say that it's actually probably more likely that he just fell and hit his head, but um because like if you fall and you hit your head, or someone comes up behind you and smacks you on the head with a giant log or something, maybe that's what happened to all these people, right? So some criminal. No, I don't actually believe that, but maybe they just knocked their head, fell down, hit their head on a rock or something.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

Like for the colour.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Get disoriented. But if it's a really bad concussion and you just don't, you like lose your memory for a chunk of time.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

Right? Like you just you don't recover that memory for a a a period of time, right? And and you might think it's only been a few hours, but really it's been several days, right? Um, it's like when we were watching that show earlier today, and the the girl woke up and they were like, Oh yeah, you had a spill, and like, you know, you you lost some memory, like that happens, right? So it's possible, but um, and then maybe when he he was just disoriented, like seeing all those people and stuff, he was probably tripping balls.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Yeah, maybe, maybe, you know, yeah, I so I want you actually to kind of watch an indoor horror to see yeah. Well, hey, I want to be it's not about the horror story or it's not about the ghost, but kind of the myths and the belief why no, I'm very I'm very interested in that. I'm very interested in it. That would be hearing that. That would be interesting, for sure. But I will not watch such movie myself.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah, I know. You get you get pretty terrified.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

It's like, hey babe, do you need to go pee? Are you asking me to walk you to the bathroom?

SPEAKER_00 32:52

That's my hint.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

Yeah, that's my hint. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Okay, so to summarize the story, um a man goes to a man goes to Mount Salak after a breakup. He believes he's gone for five hours. Or for three hours. His family says he was gone for three months, and there is no way to reconcile those two timelines. So maybe he got lost. Maybe his mind protected him.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

Yeah, maybe. Maybe something really traumatic happened, right? Like maybe he doesn't want to remember the time that he lost. People, you know, develop these uh, you know, the these mental barriers for themselves when things are super traumatic, right? You talk about like recovered memories and stuff from childhood when people have like really serious abuse as a child, like that, you know, maybe who knows, maybe he he experienced something really, really horrifying that he doesn't want to remember. So his brain is like protecting him.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

Yeah. Or maybe like this kind of story because the previous uh group of hikers also experienced the same thing, um, and then they share the story, and uh people start visualizing this. Uh the story about maybe the sound from the traditional kingdom or the people who look like knights, you know, all that. So each one of the people who heard about the story, they kind of got the visualizations for who or what um are there in the mountains and some kind of wild imaginations, I would say. So people then, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's kind of like forming the belief because one says something and you listen to that and you also you confirm that belief. So then, oh yeah, that's happened to me.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

Well, we tend to remember, yeah, we remember the things too that conform to our beliefs, right? We we do have those those confirmation biases in our memories, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Yeah. Yeah, so that is kind of like the unique story, I think.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

Well, thank you. Yeah, I mean, I yeah, you you said like, oh, it's kind of like a horror, but not like uh not like a crime, and I'm like okay, but there could be elements of crime. You never know, right? Like we we could say that maybe he got attacked or he got, you know, something really traumatic happened to him. Um or he got punished, and it wasn't actually spirits, it was uh people in the community that thought he was being disrespectful. Or like who knows, right? So, well, at least that's my my explanation to stretch it into a crime. So that's that's what that's what we're doing today, everyone, uh for Tell Me the Crime. Stretching it to a crime. Yes. So yeah, thanks uh for listening to episode nine of Tell Me the Crime.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

And next week we're gonna come back to Tell Me the Crime.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

And we'll uh we'll do a different crime, but this one will be very crime-based and it'll be gory.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Oh, have you found one?

SPEAKER_01 35:56

No, I have no idea. But I'll make sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

You can't promise people.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll I can promise. I can promise. Oh, yeah, it'll be good. It'll be good. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, thank you, everyone. See you next week. Bye.