Along The Mohawk #3

For the Mohawk Valley, Central New York region. 

Along the Mohawk features local music and interviews with musicians, storytellers, restaurateurs, and manufacturers and also features Soundscapes with local naturalist Matt Perry. The show will also include a short weekly old-time radio serial, Annie and the Loomis Gang, written and produced by Sharry and performed by a cast of local voice actors. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:01

Steep Ponty Chevrolet and Herker, your local family-owned and operated Chevy dealer, presents Along the Mohawk.

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Come with me as we travel along the Mohawk, sharing the stories of the people and places where we belong.

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Good morning. Thank you for traveling with me today along the Mohawk. I'm Sherry Whitney, and I'm glad you're here as we look for signs of spring. And my apologies if you notice that I have a bit of a cold. I like to think of it as spring fever. On today's show, we'll find out what's new at Shaw's Maple in Clinton. And later we'll learn what all the spring racket is about and what the songbirds are telling us with naturalist Matt Perry. But first, it's Music Along the Mohawk, presented by Big Apple Music in New Hartford. Let's sit down with local singer-songwriter Millie Smurlow at Superofficial Cafe in Rome.

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Would you like some coffee? I would love a tea. Okay, oh good. I will go with tea as well. Oh, you're a tea drinker. Well, I do I dabble in bowl, yes. Where where did your interest in music begin and how did you start writing your own?

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Oh my mom has always been a singer, like, not in any formal sense, but just she always was singing and like humming. And we went to church a lot growing up, so I'd say honestly, my first interaction with that was just like the only thing I liked about church was singing.

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Yeah.

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And then I went to school, like college, to get a music education degree, and like by the end of doing that for four years, I hated it. And so then I graduated. They ruined for me. Yeah, because it's so competitive and it's all classical, and there's a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. There was no joy in it for me. Some people really cling to that structure. I am not that kind of person. So then when I came home from school, I kind of didn't play music at all for a very long time. Like I didn't touch my ukulele or my piano or like any of my percussion instruments. And then I got invited to my friend's house to do like a jam session, and then all of a sudden I was like, oh wait, and then right after that I started writing my own music. I can't control myself how my ears will force me. So don't you dare think that man's on your side. The only reason that he pays, yeah, you can't work if you die. I am a classical percussionist, and I say that with such like I don't know. Quotes. Yeah, such such quote fingers because I just that wasn't where I like flourished. But I think kind of of myself as a musician and in general, like a jack of all trades. Like, I like playing a little bit of everything, you know, like harmonica and piano, percussion instruments, and like ukulele. And what type of things?

SPEAKER_03 2:55

What inspires you to write? What are some of your themes?

SPEAKER_02 2:58

My my biggest theme I would say is nature. Like, I actually, because as we all know, we get vicious winters up here. I haven't written in a few months, and it's just because I I can't be outside. And it's really just I'll go out, like I'll go for a hike somewhere nearby, or I'll just go like in the woods behind my house, or just walk around in the grass, and I walk for like three hours, and then I'll see something and it will inspire me, and then I'll just start like singing, and then eventually I get there. Um, I'm Bob Dylan. I love Simon and Garfunkel too.

SPEAKER_05 3:35

Huge on Simon and Garfunkel. We'll hear more about what inspires Millie to write and hear more of her music later in the show. Here's a sample of her song, The Disappearing Lake, inspired by a recent drought that dried up Delta Lake.

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So I could think about the disappearing lake. Along the rocks I did walk into the water, I did talk. No, there ain't much left to listen. Where's the sun gonna glisten? I can tell you it'd be swell if you're there to pick up shells. But disaster it dispel. If the shells lie in the wake of the water from a disappearing lake. And why the seagulls look confused? And I know it would be too if some.

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Attention, listeners, your Mohawk Valley time travel experiment is about to commence. Stand by as we recalibrate the decades.

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Welcome to Utica 1978. It's a warm July morning, and runners have just started running outside the Utica Radiator plant for something brand new in the Mohawk Valley, the very first Utica Boilermaker 15K Road Race. The event was created by Earl Reed, who was looking for a special way to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Utica Radiator Corporation, today known as Utica Boilers. Working with a small local committee that included people like Tom Hubby and Joe Faco, Reed helped launch what many thought would simply be a fun community race. On July 16, 1978, 876 runners signed up to take part. By the time the race was over, 782 runners crossed the finish line, winding their way through Utica neighborhoods and cheering crowds. And here's something that's almost hard to believe today. The entire event was organized with an operating budget of just $750. From that modest beginning in 1978, the Boilermaker has grown into one of the premier 15K road races in the United States, drawing thousands of runners from around the world to Utica every summer. All from a simple idea and a $750 budget. Well, it's time to get back to the future.

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Coming up after the break, we're live from the tram, and we get a little dark with historian James Griner as he tells us a story of murderer Roxy Drews. If you enjoy listening to Along the Mohawk, please be sure to thank our sponsors for making it possible.

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It's spring, and there's nothing like getting out and listening to live performances of music, poetry, and storytelling. Lucky for us, the Traumentane Cafe in Utica offers all three and more. Today we share the story A Royal Pain, written and performed by Catherine Stamm, PhD professor of anthropology at SUNY Polytechnic Institute.

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Coming up next to the mic here at the Traumatine Cafe, let's welcome our friend Catherine.

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This is called a royal paint. The dormitory building where I'm staying is the tallest one on campus. The top floor houses 60 Thai soldiers. They are to protect the princess. The sergeant has posted his guards at each corner. It's graduation weekend when the princess gives out 7,000 diplomas. Her Majesty stays in the best hotel in town. My co-workers had brought me, a Fulbright scholar, to a tailor to get a navy blue suit made for the event. It's tight, synthetic, hot, and hideous, but I'm committed. I wear stockings that cut off my circulation at the knee and the largest women's shoes available, stiff and a size too small. I apply bandages preemptively. It's 7 30 a.m. and I open my door to find the young soldier reaching for his door. He tries to cover his privates, but can't do it quickly enough. I pretend not to see him. Three sergeants ask me friendly questions. One says we should go. Just as the door to the elevator is about to close, in runs a soldier with his helmet under his arm. He's blushing. He doesn't smile any of the thirteen Thai smiles that I can recognize. At the auditorium, the students sleep while they wait, with their heads on each other's shoulders like falling dominoes. Once the royal entourage arrives and the princess is seated, her royal footman finds his spot, three feet in front of me. I look up at his face from the front row. Same soldier from before. I see a twinkle of amusement in his eyes, but then he pulls it together. He must stand still for the next three hours. His helmet starts to fall, but he adjusts it using his neck muscles alone. We are both relieved when it is done. The princess exits first, the VIPs next, and the students after that. But by then I have removed my stockings behind a tree, and I'm racewalking back to the dormitory where I will tear off this sweltering plastic suit that I will never ever wear again.

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Thank you, Catherine. Keep it going for Catherine, everyone.

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Driving on Maxwell Road in Clinton, I see an early, sure sign of spring. Steam curling from the sugar house at Shaw's Maple. I stop in to find mother and daughter team, Carol and Maggie Shaw, boiling down sap in their huge, gleaming stainless steel evaporator, fueled by a blazing firebox below. The sounds of crackling fire, rolling boil of sap, hum of the evaporator, and the sweet caramel scent of maple syrup fill the room.

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So today we are making maple syrup. We've been up and boiling since about 2.45 this afternoon. We have a couple thousand gallons of sap to boil today. We're just coming off of a really warm spell of weather, and today is the first cold day. This early on in the season is too warm. So right now we're enjoying the cold snap here. And how did your family decide to start doing this? Um it was actually my fault. Um I was a little girl scout, and my mom and I and the troop went over to the local VVS school to take a tour of their whole process. And um, we came home, we told my dad, he's quite the hobbyist as well, and he grew up kind of doing it with his brother when he was young too. So we went down the back of our house and we tapped four trees that year. Then um we grew to about 250 buckets. So we grew pretty quickly and knew it was something we wanted to do. So it's all family, um, and we have help of friends. Um it's my full-time job. I work alongside my mom every day. Um that's what she does full-time. And my dad does a lot of work when it comes to the woods, and he's our dedicated sap hauler. And my older brother and my younger brother help tremendously when it comes to working in the woods as well. But the men like to be behind the scenes and let us women sell the product otherwise. I can give the credit to my grandma's shop on the maple popcorn years ago. She uh kind of is a kind of sewer of popcorn, I feel like, and she really enjoys working with natural sugars and stuff. So she thought of the idea of the maple popcorn, and we tried it and it was just a hit. Um but really it's kind of like all of our brains together. We see something, we hear something, you know, our fellow maple producers, we listen to our customers too. If they have any good ideas, we'll say, yeah, okay, we'll do some RD on it and see if it'll work. So our newer products would be the maple ice cream bars. So they're like a nice milky, fudgical consistency, and they contain our maple sugar and maple syrup. So those are a lot of fun. And then we made a new coffee bean-aged maple syrup. So we work with Utica Coffee on that. So we take our amber syrup and we soak Utica coffee's whole beans in there. Makes a really tasty treat.

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Be sure to experience our region's maple heritage at a local maple producer during maple weekends March 21st and 22nd and March 28th and 29th. Shaw's Maple in Clinton will be hosting pancake breakfasts and tours, as will VVS in Verona and Ben and Judy Sugarhouse in West Edmondston. You can also purchase maple syrup at these locations and Tibbetts Maple in New Hartford. Visit alongthemohawkradio.com for links to local maple producers and maple weekend events. On a recent visit to the Herkimer County Historical Society, I spoke with the town historian and author James Griner about a local historically infamous figure.

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Just the other day, we had a book signing for the uh second edition of Roxalana Drew's Last Woman Hanged. She is uh probably one of uh the more infamous characters we have here in uh Herkimer County history. It was a grisly murder. I think the poor woman probably snapped after years of abuse from her husband. Uh when she killed her husband, she beheaded him and she did it right in front of her children. Then, in a panicked state, I believe, she and her daughter Mary dragged the body into an adjoining room where after they sent the boys out to the barn to get shingles to start a fire, they pulverized this body, chopped it up into pieces, and fed it into a wood stove, again, trying to hide the evidence. As far as hiding the evidence is concerned, she did a pretty good job. They didn't catch her until mid-January. And then she was brought right here to Herkmer to stand trial for murder. It was a sensational murder trial in its day. It literally was standing room-only crowds. She was pronounced uh guilty and to be hanged by the neck until you were dead. Those are the exact lines in the court order, behind the jail. And after many appeals and protests and things like that, that event eventually took place on the last day of uh February in 1888.

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Now they say nowadays it might have been a very different scenario for her.

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Of course it would have been. Uh, this was an all-male jury, lots of prejudice in that time. There's no freedom for women, they couldn't do anything. She was adjudged sane by Dr. John Perdue Gray of the Utica Asylum. He came down and interviewed her and said she was sane then and sane now. So you couldn't use the insanity plea. I thought for sure when I started this, the women's rights movement, which was really gaining strength in those days, would have been a great help. But of course, they backed right off because they wanted equal rights. And if you give special privileges to her, that doesn't mean equal rights. And so that was one of the big things I learned about that one. Had Roxy just shot him, this would never have been a big story.

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Read more about the complicated life and death of Roxellana Drews in the book Last Woman Hanged, Roxellana Drews by James M. Griner. Available at the Herkimer County Historical Society and online booksellers. Let's visit some more with musician Millie Smurlow about her songwriting process and inspirations.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

I feel like the hardest part of doing anything is starting it. Like first step. The first step, and one of my songs that I wrote was called The Birdie Doesn't Learn How to Fly by Staying on the Branch, which is just like you learn how to do something by doing it. And so I'd written like three or four songs, and I really wanted to start performing, and I was so nervous, and I didn't, I didn't, and then I went to one open mic at the tram. From that open mic at the tram, got invited to another open mic, went to that open mic, and then right after that got three shows booked right in a row, like just so quickly within the span of like a month and a half. Well, like I said, I haven't written in a first month. Spring is coming. That's what I'm saying. Spring is coming. So what's next for me right now is going on hikes and walks. And then I'm trying not to like, I feel like every artist understands when you're blocked and then you're trying to force it, and then it's just you can't because you're so in your head. So I'm just going on walks and hikes more incrementally as the weather gets nicer, and then I know that that'll morph into seeing things and thinking things, and then eventually I'll just start like singing and humming as I walk, and then hopefully start writing again some more.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Your muse has just been hibernating.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

My muse has been hibernating, and it's nice too, because like in that meantime, I've been focusing on other creative endeavors that I enjoy, so it's been nice to kind of flip-flop in a bag, but I do like miss singing. I just feel like scared, like my like not in a literal sense, but in like a metaphorical sense, like my throat is dry, you know, like I can't, but I guess the birdie doesn't learn how to fly by staying like I just have to start singing.

SPEAKER_03 19:26

And how would you describe your music?

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Oh, I would say it's very like folky, very nature inspired. A lot of my music is straight up kids' music. It's very like sweet, good, cute little morals with like nature metaphors.

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Be sure to catch Millie Smurlow at a live performance. This multifaceted artist will perform improv at the Uptown Theater on Friday, March 27th, and performs her music at the Traumantane Cafe on Saturday, April 4th.

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Learn more about Millie Smurlow at alongthemohawkradio.com If you're making a choice and a black feather drops, the crow gave you a warning, take a moment and stop. Cause there will come a day when he will harvest your crop. Don't waste all of your time getting caught in the slop. Don't waste all of your time getting caught in the slop. And every so often he'll scoop in with a claw, or old Pecky with his beaker, give you a little nod. He wants you to remember you're made of flesh and straw. You're gonna come out with some scratches and claws. You're gonna come out with some scratches and claws. I told you, friend or foe, that is how he is viewed. If you see him as a foe, let me tell you you're screwed. Cause all that fear and loathing will just lead you to brood. You'll spend all of your time being angry and crude. You'll spend all of your time being angry and crude. And some people who fear him say a risk, I'll take none. But doesn't matter if life ends, if it never begun. I'm not saying to be stupid, I'm just saying have fun. Cause while you're living life, the crows enjoy.

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Coming up after the break, episode three of Annie and the Loomis Gang and Soundscape with naturalist Matt Perry. So stay tuned.

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Come with me as we travel along the Mohawk.

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Last week on Annie and the Loomis Gang, Annie O'Connor arrives in Utica on her way to begin her new life in Waterville. On her journey, she crosses paths with a mysterious man in gray who seems to be following her. Later, Annie will place her trust in a hired driver to carry her south to the swamps of Waterville. Loomis country. Episode 3, Crossed on the Road.

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Ah, that hit the spot. Time to see the city before my two o'clock carriage.

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That will be five cents, miss. Thank you for stopping at Bags Tavern. Hope the rain holds off so you can enjoy your afternoon in Utica.

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Annie steps onto Genesee Street. Smoke curls above the rooftops. Bells toll in the distance. She reflects on the day her brother met her in the city on her journey home from Clinton three years ago. She had just graduated after her years of study to become a teacher.

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Grace Church finished at last. When Ben and I were here years ago, there was still scaffolding. He loved these buildings, always dreaming of travel. Ben worked the farm while I was away. I should have taught, like Aunt Kelly, but Ellie was only 10. So Ben and I drove the cart to Little Falls. I let him unhitch Nessie and wander the town. Perhaps I let him dream too big.

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Garnet chili potatoes, me lovely. Straight from Goodrich's own utica seed. Good day to you, ma'am. Red garnets, you say?

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I've never seen the like. Best seed potatoes you can buy, I swear it. I'd like a small sack, please. Enough to start a patch this spring.

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Annie continues south along Genesee Street, past fine homes with iron fences and trimmed hedges. I've seen this house before. In Ben's sketches, the Munsen Williams home. She stops and peeks through the greenery. Two young girls wander the garden with their governess. A world of order and quiet, far from Annie's current world of upheaval. She doesn't know their names, but they are the young Munsen Williams girls, Rachel and Mariah. The sky darkens and rain threatens. Annie turns back toward the station for her carriage to Waterville.

SPEAKER_09 26:52

Miss O'Connor.

SPEAKER_05 26:53

Aye.

SPEAKER_09 26:54

That'll be $12.

SPEAKER_07 26:55

We agreed on eight.

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Roads worse than I reckoned, and there's Loomises around.

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$10. Paid now, or I wait.

SPEAKER_09 27:02

Not in this weather. O'Connor, is it? Catholic then.

SPEAKER_07 27:06

You assume that from my name? I'm from Ulster and Protestant.

SPEAKER_09 27:11

Still an Irish name.

SPEAKER_07 27:12

Names don't tell you who a person is. $10. Or I'll wait for another driver who keeps his word.

SPEAKER_09 27:18

You speak pretty boldly for a woman traveling alone.

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And you're poor at keeping your word.

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Ten, then. Get in.

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The carriage lumbers through mist and rain. Fields vanish behind fogged glass. Two figures appear in the mist, blocking the path. Rifles slung across their shoulders. The horses snort and hesitate, sensing the unease in the air. Annie leans toward the speaking flap and speaks out to the grizzled driver. She catches the glint of a pistol strapped at his side. What's going on? Why are we stopped?

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Two men blocking the road. Don't say a word.

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Two men? Are they armed?

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Wouldn't be asking questions if you knew what was good for you. Just stay quiet.

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Annie wipes the fog from the glass. She sees only shadows and the fields beyond. Then, a rider appears beside her window. His eyes peer through the fogged window and lock with hers. A rifle gleams in his hands.

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Next week, episode four, Rifles in the Mist.

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This is Mohawk Valley Soundscape. Today we are listening to a mixed foraging flock of songbirds. Listen, and you'll hear black capped chickadees shifting from their chickadee call to a clear two or three note whistle. White-breasted nuthatches also give their short nasal calls, and tufted tip mice are giving clear and steady whistle calls. Also listen for the downy woodpeckers, announcing themselves with whinny calls and sharp drums. All winter these birds traveled together for protection. Now they are beginning to eye one another as rivals. They still search for insects and seeds, but they are also inspecting tree cavities and branches that may soon hold nests. Their songs, calls, and drumming attracts mates, challenges rivals, and claims territory. Why stay together if they are becoming territorial? That's because there is safety in numbers. In a leafless march forest, a lone bird is vulnerable. A mixed flock acts as a living security system. All those sets of eyes and ears scanning for predators, it makes it difficult for hawks to launch a surprise attack. So as you walk the nature trails or go into your own backyards, listen closely. The flock's sound is no longer the quiet murmur of winter. It is becoming a chorus of claims, dares, and invitations.

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With instructor Alyssa Wisehart on March 22nd. And Finding Birds, Habitat Behavior, and the Art of the Search with naturalist Matt Perry on March 29th and April 4th at Spring Farm Cares in Clinton. Info and links at Alongthemohawk Radio.com. Thank you for welcoming Spring with us today. Hope to see you again next week along the Mohawk.

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Come with me as we travel along the Mohawk. Sharing the stories of the people and places where we belong.