Boom! The Podcast | Ep 2 | Mar. '50 and '68

Chip and Tom return for episode 2 of Boom! Venturing into March of 1950 with the news, advertising, TV, music, movies and books of the era. Then, we travel 18 years into the future, Boom! Echo takes a look at 1968. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_41 0:21

Welcome back to Boom.

SPEAKER_03 0:23

Thomas, I'm not gonna sing this time.

SPEAKER_41 0:25

You're not gonna sing?

SPEAKER_20 0:26

No, no, man.

SPEAKER_41 0:30

All right. You couldn't help yourself. I know. I know. No, I was I was looking forward to that. You know, a little bit of vote.

SPEAKER_03 0:35

Oh well, I couldn't think of another boom song. Well, there is the animals, but it's boom, boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_41 0:41

Very good.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Shoot you right down.

SPEAKER_41 0:43

Or how about uh how about uh boom boom out go the lights? Pat Travers.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Oh, yeah, that's right. Remember that one?

SPEAKER_41 0:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

So I'll play I'll play that on the radio.

SPEAKER_41 0:54

Yes, me too, way back when. I think it was the same radio station we used to work at together. Yeah, yeah, that was a big, a big, a big hit back in the day. Um, anyway, so we're back together again. This being the second episode of Boom. And, you know, just like last time, uh, if you have not been indoctrinated yet to what is Boom, uh, that would be if you were born between the years 46, 1946, and 1964, you're considered the heart of the boom or boomer generation. For for uh uh for the those of us who are uh in that generation, there's so much that happened to us during that period of time. And we're gonna try and cover as as much as we possibly can, given the amount of time we have. Now, last time it was two and a half hours. I get you. That was a lot. So we'll try to keep things a little quicker this time. So uh just uh give us a uh a lowdown. What's happening with page one, two, and three today, Chip?

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Okay, first of all, I want to mention that my name is Chip Chapman. I'm here with Tom Robinson. This is episode number two. We are going the boom year is March of 1950.

SPEAKER_42 2:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Now I was born in March, uh actually September of 1950.

SPEAKER_41 2:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

I'm not even uh not even jest stating yet, so well, close to it.

SPEAKER_41 2:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

So, anyways, we are going to be doing March 1950, the events, the pop culture, music, TV, movies about that particular month of that year. But we're also doing something else that we came up with to make it round things out. I'm calling it the boom echo. Okay. 18 years after March 1950, if you were born in this month, that is the month in year 1968, where you turned 18.

SPEAKER_41 3:00

Oh, I love that. That's now we're talking. Now we're talking. I mean, 1950 is a great year, don't get me wrong, but the year you know that you turned 18 was was a pivotal time.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff you're gonna go, yeah. Yeah, you're not gonna know. I mean, I don't remember anything from 1950, except maybe one song. Okay, but uh yeah, you'll remember 1968.

SPEAKER_42 3:21

Oh, we do.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

You turned 18.

SPEAKER_41 3:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:25

That's that's if you were born this year.

SPEAKER_41 3:27

And likely you were worried about the draft, and likely you were maybe protesting the war or likely. Which I was, by the way. Oh, you were? You were protesting.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

Yeah, I went to all went to Albany, New York. Sat on the uh the bench there like Arla Guthrie did.

SPEAKER_42 3:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

Yeah, yeah. I should tell that story. Well, you know what? Maybe we should wait until September 1950 before I tell that story.

SPEAKER_41 3:53

I I will we'll certainly, yeah, we'll certainly get to that, no doubt. Well, so boom year 1950, and of course March that year, a lot of significant things took place. And it's interesting because, you know, uh when you look back at the the newspapers of the day, I mean, obviously New York Times was a big big deal, daily news, those kinds of newspapers were out there and screaming the headlines, of course. Um what do you say? Uh now here's an interesting thing about the the the year uh 1950, the month of March. Two two new states were added. Yeah, yeah. We were 48 states prior to this this month. So talk about that. What what happened on uh that first week of March?

SPEAKER_03 4:39

March third, the U.S. House of Representatives voted 186 to 146 in favor of the statehood for Alaska. Alaska became a state. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 4:50

1950. Huh.

SPEAKER_29 4:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 4:53

And and uh that's in the same week though. I mean, there there was uh yet another state added.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

Actually that yes, actually it was. It was the same week.

SPEAKER_43 5:04

Um Hawaii.

SPEAKER_41 5:07

Wow. I you know, see here's the thing. Um because my my history, uh I kind of slept through of most of my classes. Um I don't remember that these were both added the same week as as new states.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

So Yeah, I was surprised when I was doing the research for this uh this month, yeah, I was that was quite startling. I mean why I didn't realize it was I thought maybe it was earlier. I didn't I didn't remember.

SPEAKER_41 5:36

Yeah. And uh, you know, so 50 states now, and that's uh official as of March of 1950. That's that's cool. That's really cool. Um and have you ever gone to Hawaii or Alaska, by the way?

SPEAKER_03 5:48

No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_41 5:49

Yeah, no. Uh they're both bucket lists, you know, places for for uh uh people. Uh well, I know people who have gone to both places, of course, but uh it's it's like a bucket list for me and my wife. We'd love to go to both those places sometime.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

Yeah, I've only seen uh Hawaii on Hawaii 5.0 and lost.

SPEAKER_41 6:08

Oh bookem Dano. And it's funny how uh in the vernacular of today's today's uh language, the uh what we call the cool language or the language of the youth, uh 5-0 means the law enforcement.

SPEAKER_28 6:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 6:26

5 0's here, yeah. So long and so uh, you know, Jack Lord as uh as the as the guy, the main guy, you know, in Hawaii 5.0. Bookham Dano. Love that stuff. Yep, love that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

On March 5th, this is kind of for all you zippernecks out there that used to refer to you as programmers.

SPEAKER_41 6:46

Hold on, hold on. Zipper neck? What do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_03 6:50

That was a 1970s term for computer guys.

SPEAKER_41 6:54

Oh, oh, okay. Oh, zipper neck, okay. I've got to write this one down.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Yeah, a friend of mine in Elmira, who was the chief engineer of the radio station where I worked, he uh he went to work at for IBM and he goes, Yeah, I'm gonna go hang out with the zipper next. And I'm like, what? So I apologize. I hope that's not a derogative term in retrospect.

SPEAKER_41 7:15

Oh, we'll we'll we'll find out, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

I'm sure, I'm sure that I'll find something to piss you off at least once during the show.

SPEAKER_41 7:22

So I'm not worried about it. So, what happened for the zipper necks? What was going on?

SPEAKER_03 7:26

Okay, programming began for the first computerized weather forecast with data being encoded to a Princeton University computer.

SPEAKER_41 7:34

Of course it was. I mean, doesn't everybody know this? I thought you did. Well, I didn't, but no. So yeah, computerized weather forecasting, we think, well, that's got to be some more contemporary, right? It has to be what 70s or 80s, but no, it began uh back in in March.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Of course, these are huge room-sized computers, you know.

SPEAKER_41 7:56

Yes, yes. Now, um, there was actually a course that I took in high school uh for a language called Fortran, which is uh uh a coding or or uh uh a basic computer language we learned. It was an elective course, but um the whole time that we learned Fortran, the goal was to make a picture of Snoopy using uh X and Y accesses, you know, and and and not to go into great detail, but there was a this big giant machine that sat in the back of the room that that you would feed cards into, one you know, like a big stack of cards, and it would you know look at the the uh the holes that were punched in each card to uh to coordinate the access, and then ultimately turned out a picture of Snoopy on on a big old uh what do they call it, Dop Matrix printer or whatever. Yeah, man, and that thing was noisy and it was hot. We come a long way, haven't we? Haven't we? Man, yeah, yeah. So people that were zipper necks back in uh March uh March of 1950, we salute you and and your uh computerized weather.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

Anyways, March 8th, the first Volkswagen van, also known as the Volkswagen Type 2, or the microbus, dude, more commonly known as, that rolled off the assembly line in Wolfsburg, Germany.

SPEAKER_41 9:18

And who would have thought that eventually this would become a symbol of a generation? A generation that that uh definitely a boomer thing, yeah. You know, you you had your peace sign, you know, on the side of the bus, and and uh you'd get all your your uh your buddies into the bus and cruise around. Um, did you have a friend with that's how I went to Woodstock? Oh, it is in a in a microbus? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

There were five of us went to Woodstock in a in a in a BW bus.

SPEAKER_41 9:44

Wow, that's cool. That's you know that again, you know, you think about the symbols of the boom generation. That's one of them right there. Yeah, and they created it on this week or that that week in March of 1950, uh, the van rolled off the assembly line. Wow, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 10:03

So, Tom, we have it March 10th.

SPEAKER_41 10:06

Ah, okay. What uh what what what is uh what happened on March 10th?

SPEAKER_03 10:13

The Cold War was ramping up. Oh, okay. Some things never change, but after considering the arguments the Soviet Union would work on developing the hydrogen bomb, even the U.S. delayed, the president President then President Truman issued a secret executive order for immediate development of the thermonuclear weapons as a matter of the highest urgency. Truman approved budgeting for research and for production of up to 10 H bombs.

SPEAKER_41 10:43

So, yeah, so this uh this this arms race is how it started. Yeah, the arms race was really ramping up. Wow. So good things, bad things, uh, on that that week in in uh March of 1950. I mean, we're still suffering the slings and arrows, if you forgive the expression of this uh this idea of the bomb, you know, and and this is really what started the boom to begin with, right? So uh the use of thermonuclear weapons. Well, what uh there must have been other things going on. What was happening that same week or that same month?

SPEAKER_03 11:13

March 11th, Deputy U.S. Under Secretary of State John Pirafoy challenged U.S. Senator Joe McCarthy to prove allegations that there were communists lurking under the desks employed in the U.S. Department of State.

SPEAKER_41 11:29

Now, this this stuff, we could have an entire episode on this guy, the Joe McCarthy era. What what a tool, what a tool this guy was. And he was so convinced that communists were taking over, man. And he uh he just began the red scare.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

You know, that that whole Yeah, he he ruined uh he ruined careers in all aspects of American life.

SPEAKER_41 11:50

Yeah, no care. Including Hollywood, yeah, right. Blacklisted, a member of the blacklisting. Um, the thing that ended it though was that that point that point when finally somebody in public said to him, have you no decency?

SPEAKER_03 12:05

Yeah. Well, that wouldn't work today. That wouldn't even phase them.

SPEAKER_41 12:10

No, I know. Well, of course I have no decency. Why would I have decency? Why would why would I care about that?

unknown 12:15

You know.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

Also on March 11th, Jerry Zucker, the American film director, he directed Airplane and the Naked Gun franchise. He was born this date in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Cool.

SPEAKER_41 12:29

March 11th. Wow. Yeah, yeah. We we know those films very, very well. And of course, he was what a what a great sense of humor this guy has.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

And March 13th, William H. Macy, you may know him, is also another film director. Uh actor, I'm sorry, he was an actor, in the movie Fargo. Fargo? And what was the Netflix series he was in? Oh the deadbeat dad.

SPEAKER_41 12:54

Yes, I know the one you're talking about. I really enjoyed that. Um, it's it's uh it's a one-word title, and I can't remember what it was called now. Uh anyway, it it it you know, Bill Macy, uh one of one of the quintessential actors of our time, of our generation. Um, I I just loved his role in Fargo. Fargo, North Dakota. You know, oh yeah, all geez.

SPEAKER_03 13:16

Well, I'm working with you here. Ma'am, I answered the question.

SPEAKER_41 13:22

That that you know what?

SPEAKER_03 13:23

Uh there's no need to get snippy.

SPEAKER_41 13:26

Bill Macy and and uh and Francis McDormand, uh featured in those that film, uh both spent time in Far in Fargo uh to get that dialect.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

Well, you they must they must have they were and made the movie. It made the movie in fact.

SPEAKER_41 13:42

Oh, it did. Well, here's the well here's the other thing that that occurred once the movie came out onto the screens and was very popular at the time, uh it actually made a lot of those people from Fargo very upset because some of them were featured as extras and some of them had speaking roles, and they felt that it made them seem less than intelligent, I guess is the best way to put it, which I get it. I you know that's they're portrayed as very nice people, which they are, uh, but it didn't uh sh really portray them in a very uh intelligent light.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Well, anyways, he was born a William H. Macy was born in Miami, Florida on March 13th.

SPEAKER_41 14:24

Oh, okay, he's a Florida guy. Okay, yeah, never realized that.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

So on March 14th, the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives program was introduced. Bank robber murderer Thomas James Halton was the first man listed.

SPEAKER_41 14:41

Now there's an honor. There's a there's a distinction, it's gonna be a honor. Yeah, yeah, it's a distinction. So, you know, you're uh you're the number one guy ever named on the top 10 list. I mean, how how many people can actually say that? Was he uh I wonder if he was uh convicted and then uh put to death because that uh the death penalty in those days was pretty pretty useful or visible.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

Well, I didn't research it, but who knows? Yeah if you guys don't want to Google it's Thomas James Holden, H-O-L-D-E-N.

SPEAKER_42 15:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

March 15th, the U.S. agreed to provide South Korea with $10 million in military aid to deter a possible attack by North Korea.

SPEAKER_41 15:22

Now, this is uh the Korean conflict, which again is something a big portion of this uh this boom generation, their parents were fighting that war. Um, and this was this was pretty pretty intense. I think the the main thing that we know about the Korean conflict as as a boom generation would probably be the the movie MASH and then the TV series that came afterwards. Uh we we learned more about the Korean conflict because of those those uh those productions.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

And maybe not the movies. The movie uh was much more of a dark comedy. I think the TV series was truly the first document, first uh dramedy. Yes, where there were funny moments, but everybody has funny moments in their life, whether they're walking down the street in the US or whether they're fighting a war in Korea. Or there's gonna be humor in your life. Yes, yeah, it's portrayed very effectively.

SPEAKER_41 16:17

Yeah, we I mean you think about being a surgeon on the front line of any conflict, you have to you have to have some sort of sanity, something that you can turn to to kind of get you through the day because you're seeing such such brutal uh brutality uh that people can do to to one another. So to be a surgeon on the front line, you've got to have a sense of humor. I think that's um uh Mash the movie and MASH the TV series certainly helped in uh identifying that.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

March 19th, the author of the Tarzan books, Edgar Rice Burroughs, died at the age of 74.

SPEAKER_41 16:49

No, that I know the Tarzan books by heart. My goodness, that was something you were we were raised on those. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

Yeah, I don't know if I ever read them. I only saw I saw a few of the movies.

SPEAKER_41 16:59

Me, Tarzan, Eugene.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

Yeah. March 20th, you this is pretty interesting. It spawned a lot of different things. Two airline pilots radio the air traffic control tower at Memphis to report they had witnessed an unidentified flying object a thousand feet above them, quote, traveling at a tremendous rate of speed with lighted windows and a circular pattern.

SPEAKER_41 17:26

Now, I I have to I have to I need to give you uh a provide I have to give you a um uh an asterisk next to this because first of all, this was the era of the flying saucer. So 47, 48, 49, 1950. It was a flap, if you want to you want to call it that. And you know, the more people that reported them, the more they seem to occur. But these were pilots, pilots are actually witnessing these things. And man, again, you know, I I this is this show is not about paranormal phenomenon. But it is it isn't it interesting though that our generation, the boom generation, was really the first to be I mean acutely aware of these things to this day.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

A lot of things like that, yeah. Yeah, okay. Actor William Hurt, American film actor, he appeared in Altered States. I love that one, one of my favorite movies.

SPEAKER_41 18:26

Me too, me too, yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Body Heat in Child of Alesser God. He was born in Washington, D.C. Unfortunately, he died in 2022.

SPEAKER_41 18:36

Way too soon. Way too soon. But what a one of my favorite actors. What a wonderful role in altered states. And I still remember seeing that in the very first movie I ever saw in Surround Sound was Altered States. Uh it was at a a UA theater, United Artists Theater, uh, near where I was going to college in those days. And a friend of mine said, Hey man, let's go to the matinee. There won't be a lot of people there. And we went to see the movie. And yes, there was uh how do I put this delicately? Um, we were altered in our state.

SPEAKER_43 19:09

Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_41 19:11

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Yeah, that's what that's in my top 20 of all time, I think.

SPEAKER_42 19:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

Okay, this is a little bit uh off the wall here. March 26th, you can file this under the don't feed the elephant category. Dolly, the 27-year-old elephant who was the star of the Ringling Brothers in Barnum and Bailey Circus, killed five-year-old boy Roger Schooley. Roger had been tossing peanuts to the elephant when he ducked under the guard rope to pick some of the peanuts off the ground. Dolly grabbed Schooley with her trunk, threw him into the ground, then stepped on his head with her foot. The elephant was later charged with killing a minor and euthanized.

SPEAKER_41 19:55

Oh, what a sad story that is. Wow. That is what a tragedy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Yeah, no, it's um not sure how you would charge an elephant, uh, but I don't I did I should probably should have changed. Stuff comes from Wikipedia sometimes.

SPEAKER_41 20:12

So No, I know. It's uh and that's it, that's a really unfortunate event, of course. But there's um these these kinds of things. I think again, we go back to the boom generation. We're so enamored by wild animals, you know. We were we were taught to like in in in grade school, you know, um those those animals that appear, of course, in in wild situations, we thought of them as more like pets. Yeah, yeah, we were kind of decent.

SPEAKER_03 20:37

It's happened time and time again with all kinds of situations.

SPEAKER_41 20:40

Yep, yep. Yep, I mean with chimpanzees. I mean, that's uh another thing. You know, people have them for pets, and then suddenly they they turn on them because they're become adults. So anyway.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Well, current uh and seems like forever comedian Martin Short, he's star of the hit TV series Only Murders in the Building. He was born uh on March 26th in Hamilton, Ontario.

SPEAKER_41 21:07

Hamilton, yeah, now he is Canadian. I knew that. I just didn't know. Didn't know where, yeah. And of course, uh going on to do some great stuff with SNL uh Saturday Night Live, many years later.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

March 27th, U.S. Army Secretary Gordon Gray issued an order requiring the U.S. Army to open recruiting to all races without a racial quota.

SPEAKER_41 21:30

Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. Uh no, this of course is now we're going back to this again. Why? Why yeah, once we we settled this long, long time ago, now it's coming back again. I mean, come on, seriously. This is uh well, anyway, that was progress.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Yeah. Back then, back then March twenty. I mean, I just I mean a manner of speaking.

SPEAKER_42 21:54

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

March twenty ninth, the first public demonstration of the RCA system. For color television was made at a press conference in Washington, DC. The RCA system becomes the standard for broadcasting.

SPEAKER_41 22:07

And they set a lot of standards back in the day. By the way, I have to ask you the question. Um, do you remember the very first time you saw color television? And what what were you watching?

SPEAKER_03 22:22

You know, that's a good question. I think it was about 19. We were late getting a color TV. We were in Orlando.

SPEAKER_42 22:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Yeah. I think it was like 1965. Okay. Wow. Well, it would have had to be because most of the TV shows were still black and white.

SPEAKER_42 22:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Uh the first one that I remember seeing in color, and it may not be the first one I actually saw. Was the fugitive.

SPEAKER_41 22:49

In color.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 22:51

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

That was that was actually 6 66, I think it was color. Or 67.

SPEAKER_41 23:00

Yeah. No, it's uh that era. It's interesting because I still remember specifically the thing that I watch on on color TV for the very first time. Now I I need to preface this by by saying that my dad was a was a tinker. He was a scientist, but he was always loved to tinker with uh with electronics. So he would man he would actually uh fix people's television. So just for for g for giggles, right? He just liked doing that. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

Uh he had a very well-rounded father, by the way.

SPEAKER_41 23:31

He was he was a country kid, you know, he was just a country kid that uh that had a a lot of curiosity. When he was uh the age of eight, he uh built uh his first radio, which was the first radio that was available in his community in the time the little town that he was raised in. And uh people found that to be fascinating at the time because they could sit around his radio and listen to the world uh for the very first time in nineteen twenty, let's see, he must have been so he was uh nineteen twenty-six, I think that was that year. Anyway, so he was all his lifelong tinker, he loved to tinker with stuff, and so uh he loved to fix old televisions and stuff. But here's the thing no matter how many TVs we had, you know, they would break and then he would replace it with another TV. But we never ever had any color television, we always had a black and white TV. So um the first color television I saw was at a friend's house uh just a few blocks away. A friend uh we were in fourth grade, I'm pretty sure. Um, but he invited me over to watch the monkeys. And I I think I'd seen the monkeys maybe once or twice before, but it was the first time I saw a full episode in color. And it was um I think it might have been the monkey special, in fact. But but it was 1966.

SPEAKER_03 24:52

Remember that show was express was especially uh visually stunning.

SPEAKER_41 24:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

For television for that era. I mean, it was amazing.

SPEAKER_41 25:03

I had no idea that they wore red shirts, you know, a lot of the times. And they had they had a red car that uh the monkey mobile, which was to me that was that was the purpose of watching the show is the monkey mobile. I mean, come on, you know.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Well, that's the news for March of 1950.

SPEAKER_41 25:21

Yeah. A lot of epic stuff happened. I think it's a great segue because you know, this this next thing we're gonna talk about, of course, is the top shows on television in March of 1950.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

It was kind of slim pickets, yeah, quite frankly. But there were a couple of there were a couple of very, very big shows that I remember. Okay. Others I of course I remember them, but I was a little too young to really appreciate them. Well, I was, I mean, after the fact, of course, I was not even born yet, so but later on, I do remember in March 1950, by the way, top TV programs included the Milton Burl show, the Lone Ranger, Captain Video in his video rangers, Kuchliff Fran, and Ollie in the Steve Allen show.

SPEAKER_28 26:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

Now uh Milton Burrow, I mean, I know of him, I know of him my whole life, you know. Uh Ku Kluff Fran and Ollie. I I remember the name.

SPEAKER_41 26:22

Oh, I remember that show. Like the back of my head. Oh yeah, like the back of my head, yeah. It was it was a puppet show and uh Kukla Fran and Ollie. There were they were there were hand puppets basically, and uh they're the kinds of things you would manufacture from old socks, you know, that kind of thing. But they uh they you know it had uh people operating those hand puppets, and I have no idea who those people were, but I remember their voices, you know, and of course as a kid, a very young child, cuclafran and Oli was still a a thing, you know, it's still uh uh airing. And apparently I didn't watch that show. Yeah, it's like Lamb Chop. Lamb Chop was another one of those kind of shows. I remember that. Yeah, so but uh Lone Ranger, yeah, that was a big deal. Oh my goodness, yes. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

That was a big deal.

SPEAKER_41 27:11

Yeah, no, a lot of kids, you know, sort of wearing a mask as a as a result.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

Yeah, I I didn't rem I don't remember watching Captain Video and his video ranges, but that was a that was a very popular show.

SPEAKER_41 27:24

Yeah, I mean that's that's pioneering stuff, right? And and a lot of this is geared towards younger people because well, suddenly television is becoming a center of the of the household, uh, wherein the radio is the center of the household. So television, this is our generation, man. This is what we were with this is what we were raised with. And uh as a result, a lot of really interesting youth youth programming that was going on back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Well, anyways, I got a couple, I've got some clips of those two TV shows, Lone Ranger and Captain Video. Nice. And let's listen to those right now.

SPEAKER_15 28:31

There's no way that's a mess. I wouldn't come in a minute, Limit. You won't have to. I'll do the comedy. One, two, three.

SPEAKER_25 28:56

I wish that musk man and the Indian could have stayed longer. I've made enough cake for home.

SPEAKER_04 29:02

Oh, by the way, sure. If you never did tell us, who is the musk man?

SPEAKER_10 29:20

Um, the champion of jumping verse.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

All right, Tom, let's check out the T V commercials from March of 1950. What was being shown on those very early television sets.

SPEAKER_41 30:03

Oh boy. Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

This is well, the spots, as we called them in the business in 1950, reflected the post-war boom. They featured consumer goods, automobiles, and household products. And there were some key advertisers, and I still remember these. I'm sure you do the slogans to this day. They included camel cigarettes. Well, I don't remember, I remember the visuals of it of the camel.

SPEAKER_42 30:31

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:32

Pontiac and Coca-Cola, of course.

SPEAKER_42 30:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 30:36

Early TV spots using simple direct messaging. There were iconic brands too, like Gillette, Band-Aid.

SPEAKER_42 30:44

Band-Aid, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

And Pepsident. Because you'll wonder where the yellow at when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent.

SPEAKER_41 30:53

Pepsodent. Hey, um, uh, incidentally, just a little a quick aside here, when it comes to uh just dental care, uh, we're again one of the first generations of uh in history to actually have uh very good dental health, very good dental care. Uh in fact, there was uh so much you know time and and uh money spent on taking the the kids to the dentist for their first trip. Uh do you remember your first trips to the dentist, by the way?

SPEAKER_03 31:20

It wasn't my first, I'm sure, but I remember going to the dentist in uh I think it was 1970. I had two wisdom teeth I had to take out.

SPEAKER_41 31:29

Oh, that's not a good trip.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

And I mean I was I was literally bedridden for a couple of days.

SPEAKER_41 31:35

Ooh, ouch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and and it's it's interesting because before that you would just suffer. You know, they wouldn't uh they wouldn't do anything about it. But uh of course, you know, modern technology as it was. Now I still remember the terror of going to the dentist because it was still the era of the big giant needle, you know, for the Novicane and and uh and the the dentist we had uh for our family. I I think he was a bit disturbed. I think he might have been a a bit uh sort of uh you want to explain it.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

You need to explain Well you need to explain that.

SPEAKER_41 32:11

When he was in the process of doing his thing, first of all, he was not gentle, I have to say, uh and would not hesitate to to essentially uh pin you to the chair. Of course, uh you know, as a kid you're pretty squirmy anyway, but he would pin you down and then sometimes, you know, invite the parents in to uh to also help restrain uh because you know, this is uh this is not a pleasant thing for a five-year-old. And the other thing I I really noticed about this guy is he he how he hummed a song. I have no idea what song, but he would hum the song over and over and over and over and over uh during the time that he was uh inflicting uh terror and pain upon his patients. What a what an odd cat. Um I don't even remember the guy's name, but yeah, that that's I'll never forget this dude because he he was part of my nightmares as a five-year-old. You know, they don't want to go to that dude, you know, plain and simple.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

But uh yeah, oddly enough, uh even though I had the the the issues with the wisdom teeth, I've been known to fall asleep in the dental chair. Really? Dennis Dennis loved me. I have no problem with it. Yeah, and I've fallen in love with at least three uh dental hygienists.

SPEAKER_41 33:22

I mean by the way, you know any you know you know any uh single dental hygienist uh chip who would like to hear about it, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Yeah, just uh I don't know, something about those I don't know. I'm not gonna even go there.

SPEAKER_41 33:38

Incidentally, uh I you know we talk about the uh the commercials of those days, uh 1950. Pontiac, Pontiac was uh was a General Motors uh product, although it had been a separate company before they got absorbed by General Motors. Uh Pontiac was uh I I have to go back to this again. I don't know if we talked about this before, but the first, very, very first car that I was allowed to drive and learn to get my I had to get my license on this thing was a 1964 uh Pontiac Catalina. Big giant boat of a car, you know, big big giant motor, and you could fit nine guys in this thing. You know, it was just a huge, huge thing. But anyway, just an aside uh when it comes to Pontiac.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

So we're gonna take a little bit of a break now with some commercials from March 1950, and when we come back, the page two, we're gonna get into some early music from 1950.

SPEAKER_22 34:32

This is boom. You know, if you were to follow a busy doctor as he makes his daily round of calls, you'd find yourself having a mighty busy time keeping up with him. Timeout for many men of medicine usually means just long enough to enjoy a cigarette. And because they know what a pleasure it is to smoke a mild, good-tasting cigarette, they're particular about the brand they choose. In a repeated national survey, doctors in all branches of medicine, doctors in all parts of the country were asked, what cigarette do you smoke, doctor? Once again, the brand named most was camel. Yes, according to this repeated nationwide survey, more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette. Why not change to camels for the next 30 days and see what a difference it makes in your smoking enjoyment? See how camels agree with your throat. See how mild and good tasting a cigarette can be.

SPEAKER_19 35:30

Did you say hospitality? That's one thing we're always prepared for around here. Healthy fellow.

SPEAKER_34 35:37

Wouldn't this be a good time for you and your guests to have Coca-Cola too?

SPEAKER_24 35:43

Yes, and Coca-Cola is so delicious, so refreshing, so tempting to any guest when you bring out those familiar bottles with tiny beads of moisture running down their frosty sides, assuring you that the coke inside is really ice cold. And the good, the gracious, the friendly homes of America are always prepared for hospitality, not only on Thanksgiving Day, but every day, all the year round, no matter who comes to call or who happens to drop in. And one of the easiest, simplest, and surest ways in the world to be prepared for hospitality is to have plenty of Coca-Cola in your refrigerator, ice cold and ready to serve all the time. It's a wonderful way to say to folks, so glad you came. Welcome anytime.

SPEAKER_20 36:30

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SPEAKER_25 36:33

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SPEAKER_20 36:47

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SPEAKER_13 37:37

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SPEAKER_03 39:04

Okay, welcome back, everybody. I'm Chip Chapman here with Tom Robinson, and we are doing Boom, episode number two, featuring March of 1950.

SPEAKER_42 39:15

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

And coming up at the end of the show, we're going to be actually doing the March 1968 edition of this. It's going to be what we call the boom echo. That would have been, if you were born in March 1950, it would that would be the mark the date and the month that you actually turned 18.

SPEAKER_42 39:34

Ooh, that's exciting.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

More on that after page uh page two.

SPEAKER_42 39:39

Okay. Well, let's talk about music.

SPEAKER_03 39:42

Yeah, you know what, this was interesting for me because uh, like I said, I hadn't being a big music guy, I was particularly interested to see how this would turn out because I figured I was gonna this may be a snooze. But I was actually very surprised to find there were three or four of these songs that were really very, very, very good, very well produced. So we'll we'll hear a uh a top 10 of those uh songs in a minute. What I did is I took the entire uh month of March 1950 and I compiled the top 10 songs, most popular songs of the month.

SPEAKER_41 40:19

Okay, so okay, got it, got it, got it.

SPEAKER_03 40:22

Now, the only one I personally remember from my long and stellar career as a human being, was Teresa Brewer, a song called Music, Music, Music. Okay, one I remember.

SPEAKER_41 40:37

Yeah, no, I I'm completely uh in the in the dark here when it comes to this list.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

But we're gonna hear we're gonna hear the songs in a few minutes here.

SPEAKER_41 40:44

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Uh number two was I believe Red Foley was actually a uh, I think he was a country artist. Yep. He did a song called Chattanooga Shoeshine Boy, which is a cute, cute little ditty, as we'd say back in the day. Tony Martin had number three. He was a big band uh vocalist thing called it was it's a very lush song, very, very middle of the road, as we used to call these songs. Called There's No Tomorrow. The Ames brothers were very, very big um back in the 40s and 50s. Ed Ames, by the way, was on the TV show Daniel Boone. Oh, he was. Oh, yes, okay. Played an Indian gentleman. Huh. Interesting. Okay. And he uh he had a hit song, a couple hit songs in the mid-sixties. But this song was called Rag Mop. Rag Mop. Interesting little song. Yeah. Yeah. If memory serves me, I think he was also on Johnny Carson one time. Oh, no doubt. He was uh he they had a target set up and they would have a hatchet. And they were throwing a hatchet at the target.

SPEAKER_41 42:00

Was he the target? No, the the target was the target. He threw the hatchet. Oh, he's throwing the hatchet, okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:09

Yes, and it hit the and he was actually a figure of a person with it with a target on it. Okay. On a chest, right?

SPEAKER_42 42:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

And he threw the hatchet when he hit the wooden target the c the first the caricature in the groin. Oh, oh you never you never heard of that.

SPEAKER_41 42:31

I I you know I might have seen uh bits of that, uh, because there was you know the those old Johnny Carson classics that they that they advertised. I think that might have been one of those clips.

SPEAKER_03 42:41

Uh you can you can Google it on YouTube.

SPEAKER_41 42:43

Yeah, yeah, it's out there.

SPEAKER_03 42:45

It was pretty funny back in there. It was a great, great Johnny, inadvertently a great Johnny Carson bitch.

SPEAKER_41 42:50

Yeah, oh yeah, it was all kinds of stuff like that for sure.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

Number five was Eileen Barton. I have no idea who she was, but the song was absolutely delightful. And it was called If I Knew You Were Coming, I'd have baked a cake. Is that where that phrase comes from? Is that what uh I don't know if that came from the song or not, but it's uh I wouldn't be surprised. It's it's kind of a rockabell, it's almost rockabelli.

SPEAKER_41 43:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

Yeah, there's a little bit of rock and roll in it, but it's a fun song.

SPEAKER_41 43:21

Yeah, that it's funny because the even just the title alone, it sounds a little sardonic, you know, like you know, poking poking fun at you, but anyway.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Yeah, number six, Frankie Lane, Cry of the Wild Goose. He did a lot of uh songs kind of dealing with uh Western themes.

SPEAKER_42 43:39

Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

He he was he was a big guy in the 40s, 50s, and even had some songs in the 60s.

SPEAKER_41 43:48

Wasn't wasn't he actually in a couple of those westerns?

SPEAKER_03 43:50

Wasn't he uh probably was, yeah.

SPEAKER_41 43:53

Yeah, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

Um number seven, Tony Martin and Fran Warren.

SPEAKER_41 44:00

Tony Martin twice.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

It's really it's a really cute song. Basically, these two are mixing their metaphors after the fact after they have a good night kiss.

SPEAKER_41 44:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:11

Song's called I Set My Pajamas and I Put On My Prayers.

SPEAKER_41 44:17

Sounds like more than just a kiss. Yeah, it's a kid song. Just saying, you know, maybe some alcohol involved in that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

Well, they didn't mention that, but who knows, you know? Yeah, number eight was Sammy Kay's. He was a big, big, big band fella. Sammy Kay, yes. It isn't fair, the song was called. And that's all I got on that. Yeah. Bing Crosby and the Andrew Sisters, they were huge back in the 40s and 50s. Well, yeah. Number nine was a song called Quicksilver. It was a duet with them. If you have if you have a group and a single singer, you that's still a duet?

SPEAKER_41 44:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

Or is it duets?

SPEAKER_41 44:55

I well, it's it's funny because there were what three Andrew Sisters?

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 44:59

And so and Bang was, you know, I guess you could say the the center of the circle, so to speak. Not really.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

You might worry about things like this.

SPEAKER_41 45:08

Yeah. You should. You really should.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

It keeps me up at night.

SPEAKER_41 45:13

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

Number 10, Bing Crosby, another Ben Crosby song, Dear Hearts and Gentle People, which basically it's okay, but it was nothing memorable. Well, really.

SPEAKER_41 45:24

I mean, Derek.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

It was big, big hit.

SPEAKER_41 45:26

Dare Bingle was was uh was certainly an acquired taste. I mean, he was a really, really amazing crooner. There's no doubt about that. He means one of the greatest of all time. Um, and again, I think you know, we go back to that that idea that he his kids, you know, as they came up coming came of age in the 60s, um, they didn't always have a very favorable thing to say about their father. But you know what? That's that's typical, right? Yeah, kids tend to be, especially of that generation in the 60s, uh, well, we tended to be a bit more rebellious and uh you know uh disagreed with our parents a lot.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

So just saying, yeah, well, that's there's a lot of a lot of that in Hollywood, you know.

SPEAKER_41 46:06

Oh yeah, oh yeah, no question. We could even do an entire show about the progeny.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

Well, I would call it the the boom generation, wire hangers.

SPEAKER_41 46:15

Yeah. Oh write that down, by the way. Write that down. I like that. Let's let's do that. All right.

SPEAKER_03 46:23

Well, okay, so let's let's hear these top ten songs, and I think that you may, like myself, maybe may even fall in love with a couple of them, or probably not. Okay, that was the top ten uh of the month, March 1950. And uh let's uh very briefly go through some of the albums that were out then. Most of these were either soundtrack albums, jazz, or just what we call easy listening music.

SPEAKER_41 48:02

We discussed this last time in our first episode that uh really record albums were mostly based upon movies or or plays, uh, these soundtracks. And I mean, there were there were certainly full records uh for artists in the day, of course, but they seem to be the the musicals in the movies, uh the soundtracks are much more popular for some reason.

SPEAKER_03 48:23

Yeah. These were just some of the big ones. I didn't do any particular order, but one was a soundtrack to a movie, which I'm gonna briefly mention uh very shortly. Doris Day and Harry James uh was a duet with those two, and they had an album called uh Young Man with a horn. Soundtrack to a movie.

SPEAKER_41 48:43

That would be about Harry James, maybe yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

I never thought about that. Yeah, I should look that up.

SPEAKER_41 48:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:50

If you're out there, Google that and and let us know. Yeah. Anyways, I I don't remember if there was a movie called Autumn in New York, but there should have been. Uh Joe Stafford had an album out.

SPEAKER_41 49:06

She was once again another popular wonderful singer.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Yeah. Yeah. There was Jan Garber, and Ray Anthony uh did a thing called Dance Time. Of course, Ray Anthony had a couple of uh top ten songs in the 50. Okay. Jan Garber, I'm not familiar with.

SPEAKER_41 49:23

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Uh we've all if you've if you're a boomer from our generation, chances are you have heard of Stan Kenton in his orchestra, big jazz guy. Yep. He had an album called A Presentation of Progressive Jazz.

SPEAKER_41 49:40

Wow. Nice. Yeah, yeah. Now it's and to say the word progressive at that time. That's way ahead. Way ahead. Yeah, yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

And of course, Ella Fitzgerald, magnificent songstress. Oh the album out. Yep, the first in 1950. Marsh was souvenir the souvenir album.

SPEAKER_41 50:01

First lady of song, Ella Fitzgerald. Um, incidentally, have you ever seen Ella perform?

SPEAKER_03 50:07

Yes. Not, I mean, not live, but oh, you haven't seen her live.

SPEAKER_41 50:10

Um quick anecdote about Ella. And this is something that was quite by accident, I have to say. Uh, I believe it was summer of 1982, and I was in my second, first or second radio gig in those days. But anyway, it was a day off. It was a Saturday in the summer, and a friend of mine just showed up at my front door and said, Hey dude, there's a there's a big jazz concert happening uh, you know, this weekend in Saratoga Springs. You want to go? Uh yeah, I got nothing else to do. Let's go. So we just jumped in his car, uh, hit an old 62 Ford Fair Lane, and uh we drove all the way to Saratoga Springs for us. It was about an hour and a half. Uh place called the Saratoga Performing Arts Center in those days. It was an outdoor shed where you have like the you know, they have the indoor amphitheater, but then there was a huge lawn you could sit on and and enjoy music. Well um, it was called the Cool Jazz Festival, and it was sponsored by Cool Cigarettes, by the way. And what I loved about it in those days, I did smoke, and so they gave away all these free cool cigarettes, these little tiny packages of cool cigarettes. So we were, you know, kind of helping ourselves to those. Uh meanwhile, wow on the stage that day, uh, one of the first uh performers to come out for the Jazz Fest that day was uh was Count Basie. Now Count Basie was in a wheelchair and he came out and and uh performed beautifully. He played piano, of course, and he brought his entire orchestra with him. And wow, what a fantastic performance. But later on amazing, yeah, later on that day, Ella Fitzgerald. Wow. I had never seen anything quite like it before. And it here's the thing that it left such an impression that entire day, by the way, left such an impression that I went out and started buying jazz records like the next week. I really just that's cool. And I'd never been on Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

This happened to me before seeing an artist that um were in sometimes I wasn't really as familiar with.

SPEAKER_41 52:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

And then suddenly I'm like, wow, that's that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_41 52:13

Yeah, you see him live and it changes everything.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

I need more of that.

SPEAKER_41 52:16

Yeah, right. And by the way, uh take a guess as to how much it was to to go from noon to midnight for the cool jazz festival on that Saturday. How much was the admission? Do you want to take a stab at that? Yeah, 1982.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

You probably said that. $20, $25?

SPEAKER_41 52:41

Eight dollars. Eight It was within our budget. Eight bucks to see twelve hours of incredible jazz performers. Yeah. That's incredible, yeah. Yeah. And just one of those artists would have been worth that, if not more, you know. So but Ella Fitzgerald dude uh converted me completely. Just you know, like, oh you know, I mean, I was still a rock guy, but I started buying jazz records because of that.

SPEAKER_03 53:06

I mean, I it I love that venue. Spa SPAC is fantastic.

SPEAKER_41 53:11

Yep, yeah, yep. Oh my goodness. Over the years, you and I have seen a couple of shows together there. Uh in fact, uh, we saw Neil Young and uh Crazy Horse together at SPAC a few many years back, which uh I don't know if you remember that at all. But just saying.

SPEAKER_03 53:30

Oh, yeah, that's right. We were up we were up in the in the balcony.

SPEAKER_41 53:34

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That was uh that was that was quite a show too. Um again, you know, some of these things are kind of uh foggy for certain reasons, but well, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 53:45

I I remember thinking we're gonna be deaf. We are going to be deaf when we come out of here because he was so freaking loud. He was, he was but the way his mixing was so brilliant, the way his sound meant this, and I saw that I saw him again uh near Utica, New York, a place called uh um Vernon Downs, which is a racetrack.

SPEAKER_42 54:13

Right, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:15

We had a few my rad our radio station we worked at in Utica, they had a few concerts there. And I saw I saw a concert, it wasn't it wasn't my station, but uh remember seeing him there. And uh I mean it was it was we were literally probably 50 feet from the stage. He was outside, and I'm like, oh this is not gonna be good. But once again it was phenomenal. Yeah, yeah, memorable. But anyway, I I digress.

SPEAKER_41 54:49

Again, if you are boom, you understand what we're talking about here. It's it's uh we are the concert generation. We started this thing, man. You know, not that it wasn't live music before we came along, but this was transcendent. Things changed completely. So anyway, just saying, hey, uh, what about you know going to the movies back in 1950, uh especially in the month of March? What was that all about?

SPEAKER_03 55:09

There was a couple of very, very big movies that came out, including a Disney movie called Cinderella. Oh, that was the year the animated movie Cinderella, which uh I can't say it's a favorite to this day, but it was well pretty special. I mean when it comes to a young boy, you know.

SPEAKER_41 55:28

Yeah, but when it comes to I didn't see it then, but yeah, but when it comes to advanced animation for the time, it was state of the art. Yeah, you know, nothing quite.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

That was number one in March. Another movie which was a comedy was Francis the Talking Mule.

SPEAKER_41 55:46

Oh, wait a second. I I think I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

That was also in March. There were some other movies which I've never I've never heard of, like Young Man with a horn. That's the one I mentioned, the soundtrack. Uh musical, by the way. Musical drama starring Kirk Douglas and Lauren McCall. There's a combo. Yeah. Kirk and Lauren, huh? Yeah, the Western with Audie Murphy. Audie Murphy was a big, big foot Western uh movie actor. A lot of westerns. The kid from Texas, that was called. It was Cheaper by the Dozen, a family comedy with starring uh 40s and 50s star Myrna Loy.

SPEAKER_42 56:30

Got it.

SPEAKER_03 56:31

And uh this is kind of interesting because it even has some pertinent, it's pertinent to uh our time today, if you remember going back 20 years. Stars in my crown, starring Joel McCrae and Dean Stockwell. Dean Stockwell.

SPEAKER_41 56:51

He goes all the way back to to 1950. Yeah, that surprised me.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

No, that's shocking.

SPEAKER_41 56:57

Wow. I had I had no idea he was uh of an older generation like that. But yeah, I remember him in Black Velvet. What what an incredible, what an incredible portrayal. That was incredible that I mean it's David Lynch. What can I tell you?

SPEAKER_03 57:10

You and I have his well, obviously he's one of our favorite directors, you and I. He's one of our favorite directors. But you know, it's it's one of those movies by David Lynch that I I felt like I needed to take a shower.

SPEAKER_42 57:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:25

After I saw that movie.

SPEAKER_42 57:29

You and me both.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Well, well, enough about that. We got some books that came out in March 1950, Tom. Well, wait a second.

SPEAKER_41 57:37

We want to we want to hear these clips from those movies, by the way. We need to hear those.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

Yes, I'm sorry. I digress. Yeah, man, I just wait for you. We have uh clips from Cinderella and Francis a talking mule. When we listen to those, we'll come back and talk about uh we'll talk about some books.

SPEAKER_14 57:55

On boom. Francis is an old army mule. He looks like a mule, he smells like a mule. But Francis is different. He can talk. Oh, yes, he can. Donald O'Connor heard him to his everlasting regret.

SPEAKER_37 58:10

You mean the animal talk to you the way I'm speaking now? Maybe maybe not so last. Francis is clear to just the officer's home.

SPEAKER_15 58:20

He said he was afraid of sending the officers to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Sparkling with pure enchantment, filled with lasting enjoyment, and overflowing with unforgettable entertainment.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:25

Now, I've never heard of these books, so bear with me. All right. But we'll we'll kind of dash through this, but just to give you an idea of the flavor of the era. Because it is it is the boom era. So it's called The Egyptian by Mika Waltari, historical epic about ancient Egypt. It's a massive success, holding the top spot for multiple weeks in early 1950.

SPEAKER_41 1:00:52

Now, this is uh this is probably nonfiction, right? Or no? It was a fictional fictional basis.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:59

It's based based. Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 1:01:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

I don't yeah. There's The Wall by John Hersey. It's a powerful novel. It says documenting the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It reached number one on the New York Times list in late March 1950. This is a uh I don't know if it's nonfiction, but it's probably a fictitious family or something dealing with a Warsaw ghetto.

SPEAKER_41 1:01:26

Right, but also very important to the uh our our parents' generation, of course.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:30

Yeah, there were a lot, a lot of books like that.

SPEAKER_41 1:01:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

Uh The Parasites by Daphne Durmer, a story of an English family in the clash between social classes. It was a frequent number one title throughout February and March. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Nonfiction. This is kind of interesting because it kind of covers a pretty wide gamut here. One was called The Baby by Simon Schuster, a humorous photographic top-selling book through 1950.

SPEAKER_41 1:02:02

Now, is that basically that features a boomer? No doubt, no doubt.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:06

Yeah, just basically funny, funny pictures.

SPEAKER_41 1:02:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:10

Yeah. Look younger, live longer, one of those self-help books way back when. Really? Gaylord Halliser. He was a hugely popular health and nutrition guide. That remained on the best snow list for months. This is I find this a very interesting because it's it covers a lot of different air areas. Mr. Jones Meet the Master by Peter Marshall. It's a collection of sermons and prayers that captured a wide audience in the post-war era.

SPEAKER_41 1:02:46

And of course, uh, you know, church and and uh community, very important back in in uh 1950, of course.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:53

Yeah. I Leap Over the Wall by Monica Baldwin. It's an autobiography. It's the account of a woman returning to secular life after 28 years in a convent.

SPEAKER_41 1:03:06

Well, she she escaped a convent.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

So to speak.

SPEAKER_41 1:03:09

Yeah. Well, um, you know, this is something again we can talk about later in other episodes, but the idea that that there were people that were taken away from their families because they were quote unquote in trouble uh and sent to a convent to uh either give birth or wait out wade out the period of time so uh the the family would not live in shame. And of course conditions and situations being in those convents are pretty dicey.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:40

It doesn't I shouldn't mention that she was uh a nun.

SPEAKER_41 1:03:44

I don't think she was actually a nun, so you probably but twenty-eight years in a convent. Wow, you know, one of the the things that I that I I did want to make mention of too, uh not in the top sellers list, but there were a couple of really significant books that came out in the era in 1950. Uh Ray Bradbury, one of my all-time favorite authors, and Isaac Asimov, both had big ones. Martian Chronicles and iRobot. Uh and the only reason I mentioned these is because those were two of my the the first books that I ever read cover to cover.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:23

Yeah. You know, just really they were amazing books, of course. And uh ironic, they both came out at the same period of time. I didn't I didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_41 1:04:35

Now the Martian Chronicles, I mean, that's just it's there, it stands as an icon to me. And uh of course iRobot, which we're now actually seeing uh that prophetic uh writing of Isaac Asimov come true. Yeah, you know, this is this is AI that we're dealing with now.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:52

Of course, baby boomers really big into science fiction, so that's no surprise that those books came out in our era. Yes. Yep. You know, our lifetime. A couple of other books that came out in the year, a town like Alice by Neville Shute. He had a number of uh books out over the years. And Strangers on a train by Patricia Highsmith. That was a movie, but I don't know if it's from that book.

SPEAKER_41 1:05:19

Okay, okay. Got it. Interesting. No, it's uh I'm I'm sure it's it's probably based upon that because it was uh such a familiar title of the time. Um Wow, you know, this the thing is that again we we think about this this boom generation of ours, how we were influenced by the television, but also the music and uh the written the written book, the book of of the time, you know, whatever it might have been. Uh we can get into it later, of course, uh talking about uh people like uh Hunter S. Thompson um or or Ken Keasey, those individuals who are who are authors but also influenced entire generations. And uh we'll we'll get into that. Later.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:01

Well, coming up next, the first installment of a new addendum to our boom years, what we call the echo of the boom year, in this case, 1950. If you were born in March 1950, you would have turned 18 and come of age in March 1968.

SPEAKER_42 1:06:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

And uh here are some commercials from March of 1968. We'll be right back after that.

SPEAKER_39 1:07:54

Did you ever see such green bins dirt? But Fab has real bottles. It'll take care of the whole mess. Gives you a green to really handle it close to.

SPEAKER_27 1:08:13

Oh fellow.

SPEAKER_23 1:08:27

They're new. They're authentic. They're the fastest miniature metal cars you've ever seen. New hot wheels, only from Mattel, with torsion bar suspension, opening bonnets, detailed engines, special racing wheels. Available separately or in sets like the strip action set. The stump action set. All the hot curves race action set. New hot wheels only from Mattel.

SPEAKER_40 1:08:55

I heard you want to be a Brito Bandito like me. You do? Then you must sing the bandito song. Let's sing together. You just follow the bouncing frito scorching. I am the Brito Bambito. I like Brito Scorch Chips. I love them by two. I want Brito Scorch chips. I get them from the United States. Give me Brito Scorch Chips and I'll be your friends. Now boys and girls, you are frito bambino, too. You sing the frito bambino song and you look for crunchy frito scorn chips. That's nice. Munch munch munchy punchy frito scorch.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:48

Why don't you join the country club? Pan Am can fly to over 80 countries from one end of the world to the other. Big countries, small countries, old countries, new countries. And it doesn't matter who you are, or where you come from or where you're going. The world's most experienced airline has room for everybody under the sun.

SPEAKER_41 1:10:16

Welcome back. It's uh this is Boom, and we're at page three. And now discussing the echoes of the Boom year 1950. Of course, if you're born in 1950, in this particular year we're about to talk about, you turned 18 in March of that year. And so uh 1968, you would have been 18 years of age. And uh, well, you probably had some concerns, uh, like your draft card. That might have been one thing. Uh, but also uh civil rights and uh lots of other issues of the day in 1968, but some of the most amazing music on the planet, and of course, we're gonna talk all about these things. But uh Jeff, where do you want to begin here? What what do you think we should start with?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:01

Well, we just heard some spots from March of 19 uh 68, which were a far cry from the commercials that we heard from March of 1950.

SPEAKER_42 1:11:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:09

Uh they're all very hip and very just she chic as hell.

SPEAKER_42 1:11:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:15

For the time period, you know. Uh we heard uh among them seven up the uncola. The uncola nut. Yeah, yeah. Actually, that that version of it came out later in uh the year.

SPEAKER_42 1:11:33

Yes. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:35

Yeah. You kind of had the mod British invasion version of that. The music. Household and food items had seven up the uncola, fab detergent, dowel, bathroom cleaner, handy wrap and glad glad bags was called locked top.

SPEAKER_41 1:11:55

Changed everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:56

Yeah, changed everything.

SPEAKER_41 1:11:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

So what kids and toys, Mattel introduced the new talking Barbie and Stacy Dolls. I don't know what happened to the Stacy Dolls. I don't remember them at all. Not that I would, not being of the persuasion that I would buy dolls.

SPEAKER_41 1:12:17

Well, here's here's a quick anecdote about Barbie of that of that time. And uh uh recently I went to a birthday party with uh uh with my family for my younger sister, who had was turning 60 at the time, and during the birthday party, you know, she had a bunch of her old friends there and we were telling stories, and she uh raised the issue of when we were kids in the 1960s and what happened to her first Barbie doll. Um well my brother and I were we're not big fans of Barbie, and so we hung her in effigy from uh from from the stairwell in our house, and she found her Barbie hanging by its neck. Uh and we had drawn uh uh uh a mustache on the face of the Barbie. So she remembered that and told that story at her birthday party uh and and still holds it against us, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:13

Lucky she didn't destroy some of your toys.

SPEAKER_41 1:13:16

Oh, believe me.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:21

Well, we also it was also an ad for Hot Wheels uh from that era from uh March of uh 1968. Oh yeah. Hot Wheels. Now we're talking. They're still around, you don't really hear much about them, but they're they're oh they're out there. You always see them on sale.

SPEAKER_41 1:13:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:38

Frito's corn chips, of course, which I never cared for them personally, but they're very popular.

SPEAKER_41 1:13:44

Very salty. And you ever hear of funny bones? Oh, absolutely. That was uh like a kind of like um, think about this. It was a it was chocolate covered cake uh in the shape of a bone, right? Uh like a dog bone, but inside was a like a like a tube of peanut butter. It was peanut butter inside the the chocolate cake and the chocolate frosting. And man, I devoured that stuff. That was uh one of my all-time faves. You know, go to the local.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:10

Yeah, I don't know why I missed. I would have loved that.

SPEAKER_41 1:14:12

Funny bones. Oh my goodness. Yep, yep, yep. I never forget those.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:17

I I feel deprived.

SPEAKER_41 1:14:20

What's the matter? You never had a funny bone. What's the matter with you?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:23

I never had a funny bone, yeah. Personal care items, Colgate 100 mouthwash was among the hits. Phase three deodorant soap, which apparently wasn't such a hit because apparently didn't last very long. No, and of course, Dove Soap did. Hey, you know, still got it, still got Dove Soap, you know, and uh and yeah, there are commercials automotive and travel involved commercials with Texaco and Pan Am Airlines that were kind of in the uh one of the spots. Now, Pan Am is one of those Pan Am was the elite airline carrier back in the day.

SPEAKER_41 1:15:01

Yes, it was. Uh you know, and you thought about you know, if you flew Pan Am, you were going the best. Uh, but they vanished. By the way, we're gonna talk about this in just a bit, but there was uh um a feature of Pan Am's name in a particular science fiction movie of the time, uh, which I don't know if you recall, but maybe you can guess it. Uh it's in a scene in the movie and it's uh there's this this uh spaceship or or uh I guess you'd say a space shuttle that bears that name, uh Pan Am. And uh I'm and of course they were uh predicting the future at the time in 1968, but maybe you remember uh what that movie might have been.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:47

It's probably gonna be 2001 in Space Artists.

SPEAKER_41 1:15:49

There you go. There you go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:51

But I don't necessarily remember the Pan Am scene.

SPEAKER_41 1:15:54

Yes, it's uh the the insignia and the the name Pan Am is on the side of the space shuttle that's uh flying uh to the space station uh with uh with uh one of the main characters uh in the beginning of the movie. And that that famous scene where the uh the the the the uh the space station is spinning you know on its axis, and that that ship comes in very slowly and has to match the uh the rotation and then docks with the with the the space station and on the side of that uh that space plane that that shuttle is the words Pan Am. So they predicted that Pan M would also be uh in the space business someday.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:33

That's too bad because they were they they were a class act.

SPEAKER_41 1:16:36

Yeah. Oh no doubt. No doubt.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

Don't they figure prominently in in the uh the series Mad Men?

SPEAKER_41 1:16:45

Yes. Oh yeah, you are correct. You are correct. Yeah, Mad Men. One of the years they had Yeah, it was probably 1963, you know, that that particular year they featured on Mad Men. By the way, Mad Men, if you're a if you're a boom, uh you know about that series. And it it it rings a bell for you. You watch that and it just brings back all those memories of that time and the the way we behaved and and and how we how we were as people, uh especially those on Madison Avenue. Uh uh a little insane.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:18

Yeah. I mean, it's interesting for me to see that show when I saw it, because uh I ended up in radio for most of my adult life, but I ended up in radio sales and marketing.

SPEAKER_42 1:17:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:32

Of course, it was a far cry from the 50s. Well, I mean yeah, you could say that to a certain extent, but in many ways, maybe not.

SPEAKER_41 1:17:42

You know, it uh it was by the similarities. That generation that uh, of course, those men that were featured on Mad Men and the men and women that were featured, uh were products of their of their generation, of their time. And smoking and drinking was a regular thing, you know, indoors, 24-7, exposed to uh to cigarettes and and alcohol.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:04

Well, they also had political ads. That was a big year for politics, of course. Early 1968, election spots featured Richard Nixon, Hubert Humphrey, and George Wallace with candidates discussing the Vietnam War and Law and Order. Many of the spots that came out in general featured bright upbeat or mod styling reflecting the era of the late 1960s.

SPEAKER_41 1:18:27

Now, wasn't that the same year that uh we started to see Love Beads and Bellbottoms? Just saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:36

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 1:18:38

Yeah. It seemed like it all of a sudden.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:40

I mean, I think they I think it was probably more prevalent perhaps in California.

SPEAKER_42 1:18:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:46

Earlier, I'm sure, but widespread, yeah, it would became widespread in probably 68. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I never after after my short-lived situation was I bought a Nehru jacket. Oh, Nehru, yes. Now Nehru was an Indian uh shirt, if you will, with a high collar.

SPEAKER_42 1:19:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:11

And it was the rage for 15 minutes in 1966 because of the Beatles. Yeah, yeah, John Lunnens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. George Harrison. Yep, yep. Especially. So I had I had to have one. It's the only it's the only time that I indulged in a specific fashion statement.

SPEAKER_41 1:19:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:34

Because I went to school with that, and it was in Orlando, so it's not like I wasn't a kind of a a hip little community, because it was.

SPEAKER_42 1:19:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:45

But I only wore it once. Is there a reason they didn't think it was cool, I guess.

SPEAKER_41 1:19:53

Okay. Well, hey, yeah, you had to make a statement.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:58

But uh I didn't get into bell bottoms.

SPEAKER_41 1:20:00

Okay. No bell bottoms? Really? No, just just blue jeans. Oh, dude. I had uh let me tell you, there was a there was a place in our hometown. Um it was a college town, so you had a lot of kind of different places, different shops and stuff, but there's something called the graduate boutique, uh, which is long gone. But uh graduate boutique is where I bought my first pair of crushed red velvet bell bottoms. And they uh they were actually uh made by a company called Hip Hugger. And uh Hip Huggers, you know, they're lower down on the waist, and of course, when you're a kid, you know, that's that's that's fine. But I wore those probably continually for the better part of two years. And then it became very uncool suddenly. Indeed, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:45

Okay, well, let's let's get into some news stories, Tom, from March 1968. If you turned 18 in the month of March in 1968, you're gonna remember these things very, very well.

SPEAKER_42 1:20:57

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:58

On the first day of the month, the first public performance of an Andrew Lloyd Weber Tim Rice musical took place when Joseph and the amazing technicolor Dream Boat, Dream Coat, Dream Boat, Dream Coat was staged in its original form as a pop cantata by pupils of Collette Court Preparatory School in Hammersmith, London.

SPEAKER_41 1:21:20

Say that ten times fast.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:22

Yeah, I couldn't say it the first time fast. And uh so there's that. And also March 1st, country musicians Johnny Cash and June Carter were married in Franklin, Kentucky.

SPEAKER_41 1:21:35

Really? That was that year, that month. That's pretty cool. Yeah, Johnny Cash and June Carter stayed together there the rest of their lives, basically.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:43

First couple of country music, I guess.

SPEAKER_41 1:21:46

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:47

Yeah. Well, here we go with the uh the space race you know continuing. March 2nd, the Soviet Union launched the Zon, the Z O N D's four mission as a test of its Soyuz 7K L1 space capsule in the feasibility of a crewed space mission to the moon after reaching its furthest distance on March 6th. Zon 4 returned to Earth on March 9th, but had to be destroyed after a failed re-entry.

SPEAKER_42 1:22:23

Ooh, ouch.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:24

Now the U.S. made its first field test of its Spartan anti-ballistic missile the same date. The missile was designed to carry a five-megaton nuclear warhead to intercept incoming missiles and to detonate close enough to neutralize them before they re-entered the atmosphere. And finally, on March 2nd, we had Daniel Craig, English film actor, who is still very much active. Yep. After portraying Agent 007 in the James Bond series, he started in 2006, succeeding Pierce Brosnan.

SPEAKER_41 1:23:02

I have to make a mention of this because to me, uh Daniel Craig rescued that that uh genre, rescued uh the 007 franchise. He really did. Because uh Pierce Brosnan was good, you know. Uh he was kind of the Roger Moore sort of sort of James Bond. Um less less serious and a little bit more uh comedic, I guess you could say. Although he was, you know, he looked the part, which was fine, and I think he he did a good job. But I think you know Daniel Craig really brought it back to reality, right? Back to this this guy, not a nice person. And he's a he's a he's an agent, he's he's got a license to kill. And Daniel Craig portrayed that role beautifully. Beautifully.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:50

Yeah. It's like a bull guy, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_41 1:23:52

Oh my goodness. And just unable. Yeah, unsundable. Um, and I always wondered, you know, uh the the last time you saw that guy on screen as 007, there was an incoming missile that took out where he were. I guess he was standing on some piece of land someplace, but they they uh purport that that's the end of his his uh his uh career. But I wonder, maybe maybe he might have survived that. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:20

Well, they're still looking for the next James Bond, so we don't know.

SPEAKER_41 1:24:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:26

Well, some sports information for you. For March 4th, Joe Fraser knocked out Buster Mathis in the 11th round to win a share of the vacant world heavyweight boxing title in the second feature of a championship doubleheader at the new Madison Square Garden in New York City.

SPEAKER_41 1:24:43

Do you remember the this era especially? Uh there was so much more attention paid to championship boxing. Boxing was such a a huge thing. Yeah, you know, Muhammad Ali, of course, uh or uh known as Cassius Clay as he stepped into the ring. But um really started with him. Um it started uh no, Cassius Clay or Muhammad Ali uh was a golden glove, you know. Uh he was uh an Olympic boxer who did really, really well. Um and of course became this iconic figure, you know, as we know. Um I think his interplay, uh Muhammad Ali and and uh of course um the the sportscaster, oh my goodness, um uh his name is right on the tip of my tongue. Those guys used to spar on on camera all the time.

SPEAKER_43 1:25:29

Yeah, he was um yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_41 1:25:33

Now and now, of course, uh uh oh geez. Uh it's I can see his face and hear his voice, and now I can't think of his name. That's a senior moment, by the way. That's part of it, it sure is. That's what I mean. Part of what it means to be boom, by the way.

SPEAKER_42 1:25:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 1:25:46

Um, but it'll come to us by the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:49

We'll mention it later on when we think about it. Yeah. Uh exactly it's the same March 4th, also, exactly a month before his assassination, Martin Luther King Jr. announced the no nonviolent Poor People's March in Washington to take place on Monday, April 22nd, in 1968. And it would include impoverished Americans from all races. And during the rest of the month, he would work toward preparing the event.

SPEAKER_41 1:26:16

Yeah. A month before he died. Wow, isn't that ironic? I mean, it just uh again, we we were so uh lucky to witness uh a personality uh like Martin Luther King Jr., the fact that he was so instrumental in really moving things forward in that decade. Uh really, really sad uh what what ended up happening for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:39

On March 6th, at an extension of his war on poverty, U.S. President Lyndon Johnson signed Executive Order 11399 to create the National Council on Indian Opportunity as an aid to the remaining 800,000 American Indians in the United States.

SPEAKER_41 1:26:58

Wow, okay. Uh that's another thing we could talk about at length uh with with uh boom, in the sense that um, you know, uh indigenous peoples, uh native known.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:13

I didn't even I didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_41 1:27:15

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's just so much that uh that that can be talked about politically and of course socially about what's happened to the indigenous peoples of this of this uh this country. Um and by the way, uh I don't know. I we we don't need to get into it now, but but anyway, that's something we could talk about in the future.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:33

On March 7th, representatives of the United States, the Soviet Union, and the United Kingdom announced in Geneva that they had agreed to what was described as a superpower umbrella, a plan, excuse me, a plan to protect nations without nuclear weapons against atomic attack. Under the agreement, the three nuclear superpowers offered joint protection to any nation that ratified what would become the treaty on the Non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.

SPEAKER_41 1:28:03

And so this was uh an attempt at sanity, a sanity in an insane time. Uh that we think that we would think that we could actually even consider annihilating the entire planet for what? For what reason? You know, and now of course, this uh non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. This was a this was uh at least uh an attempt at being sane. Yeah, yeah. So um how would co sell? He just his my his name just came to me. How would co sell? Yeah. Uh anyway, that was that was uh he and uh Muhammad Ali sparred all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:36

Anyway, on March 8th, rock music promoter Bill Graham opened Fillmore East, uh New York city counterpart to the San Francisco theater, named simply The Fillmore.

SPEAKER_41 1:28:50

That that that was uh that was uh an icon of our generation, the Fillmore. And the Fillmore East. Um by the way, did you ever go to any of the shows there?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:02

No, I never did.

SPEAKER_41 1:29:03

Gotcha. Yeah, it's uh talk about unfortunately. And one of the greatest live albums of all time was recorded at the filmmore, which the Ullman Brothers band, um, which to this day I think is just there's no nothing quite like it as far as live performances go.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:23

On March 11th, President Lyndon Johnson mandated that all computers purchased by the federal government needed to support ASCII character encoding. One historian would observe later on that Johnson was simply institutionalizing what was already the case.

SPEAKER_42 1:29:41

Interesting. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:42

I got a quick ASCII story for you. Okay. I bought a Commodore 64 uh back in the 90s. Okay. And I went nuts with it. I mean, I was typing stuff, saving stuff on those floppy disks, asking floppies, yeah. And I was, oh, I loved it. I loved it. I was one of the first guys into uh radio share computers, and then it all it all went horribly wrong when suddenly Microsoft came along and they became the one to join. Yeah, and Commodore just went away.

SPEAKER_42 1:30:29

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:30

I had all this data, including a history of rock and roll, and and all kinds of information. I'm talking, I'm just an awful lot of stuff. Oh I had to convert from ASCII to Microsoft, yeah, no kidding. And they weren't they weren't cooperating. There was no cooperation between the two companies. Of course. Why would you cooperate? Of course, if the data was all askew and oh boy. It took me, it took me literally years to clean up what I wanted it to say.

SPEAKER_41 1:31:10

So sorry to hear that. Yeah, it is what it is, though. I mean, I mean, think about all the things that have transpired uh since '68. And of course, the advent of Apple and all those other things that have occurred since then. Uh, wow, you know, it's it's one of those, I guess, pivotal moments when it comes to establishing what we now know as as the norm.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:33

Yeah. On March 12th, uh, once again, President Johnson barely edged out anti-war candidate Eugene McCarthy in the New Hampshire Democratic primary. The opening event and nominations for the 1968 U.S. presidential election.

SPEAKER_41 1:31:51

What about uh now Eugene McCarthy, an interesting uh uh character of the time, uh, was considered relatively, I don't know, uh, was he was he a moderate or was he more more radical left?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:08

I think he was probably more of a leftist, yeah, actually. Yeah, but memory serves me.

SPEAKER_41 1:32:14

Yeah, further left than Lyndon B. Johnson for sure. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Huh. Interesting. Yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:20

Yeah, he was the he was diametrically opposed to Johnson. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But but another one of these guys, I just I'm 17 years old, and I'm looking at him going, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:37

It was like it was at that point in time, there was nobody available that I even wanted to be. No, no, no, thanks.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:45

One did come along, but that's a story for another boom. Yeah, another boom, yes. March 13th, 1968. The record plant recording studio, founded by audio engineer Gary Kelgren and entrepreneur Chris Stone, opened in New York City with innovative sound recording and mixing techniques that hadn't been heard before. The first album cut by the new studio would be Jimi Hendrix's Electric Lady Land.

SPEAKER_41 1:33:16

Of course it is, of course it would be. Wow. Uh that is that that's a pivotal moment. Um, you know what? I I would say that that especially because of the times, um, the Beatles had really kind of broken the mold when it came to recording, especially for rock bands, uh, using multi-track recording techniques. Uh, of course, the first one, well, the first really significant record would have been Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band recorded on a on a four-track machine.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:44

Four tracks. Four tracks.

SPEAKER_41 1:33:45

Four tracks. Four tracks. Four tracks. And, you know, as time went on, of course, by the time the record plant came along, then then suddenly there's eight tracks, you know. Um but it's it's uh it's astounding that that uh that first record, Jimi Hendrix Electric Ladyland, what a what a landmark record and a landmark recording studio. And of course, they wanted to do a lot of great things uh in their in their uh their existence. So cool stuff. Cool stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:12

Well, that same day, March 13th, once again, President Johnson made the news with a decision to deploy an additional 30,000 American troops to South Vietnam. He would rescind the order in the wake of the results of the New Hampshire primary, though. By month's end, he would revise the deployment to 13,500 troops.

SPEAKER_41 1:34:36

That's uh kind of like an indication he was paying attention to what people said. Uh one would one would think so. What a concept, what an idea. Just saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:45

Here's something we can relate to, by the way, Tom, not meaning to interrupt you there. On March 14th, a nationwide introduction of the childproof cap. Oh. Now you'll understand why I say you can we can relate to it in a minute.

SPEAKER_42 1:34:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:59

It's for medicines in the U.S. It was announced at a news conference in Chicago three days before the start of National Poison Prevention Week.

SPEAKER_42 1:35:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:08

Now I maintain that as an aging baby boomer, I refer to it as an adult proof cap. Okay? Yeah. It's an adult proof cap, damn it. Along with food jar caps and other impossible things to open at our age.

SPEAKER_41 1:35:30

Well, here's the this is why people like ourselves keep a hammer handy. Just for those moments. Or pliers or vice grips, you know, to to uh take these things apart. Um, but yeah, child proof.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:46

And they could push you too, by the way.

SPEAKER_41 1:35:48

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, isn't that funny though? Because it it really was it was so childproof that nobody could open the damn thing. So uh yeah, clever, but a little bit of a backfire there, yeah for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:02

Okay, March 15th. This was pretty groundbreaking medical news. Dr. Philip Blaiberg of South Africa became the first person to go home after a heart transplant. He walked out of the Groot Shore Hospital in Cape Town to a waiting car. Blayburg, who had received the heart on January 2nd, would survive for another 17 months before dying on August 17th, 1969.

SPEAKER_41 1:36:28

Impressive.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:29

First, he was he was the first.

SPEAKER_41 1:36:31

Yeah, that's that's impressive. And that's a, you know, to this day, uh those kind of procedures are more common, uh, although still not perfect. And I think there was the other thing that, you know, uh the the Jarvis, I believe it was the first artificial heart. Um, and that we don't really hear much about artificial hearts.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:51

No, that it never really made work the way it should. So yeah. Uh also on March 15th, India's prime minister Indira Gandhi announced that her nation would not sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. India would continue to work on its atomic weapons program and would detonate its first atomic bomb on May 18th, 1974.

SPEAKER_41 1:37:17

Well, interesting. Yeah, that just uh the again, uh every com every country, every every nation across the country or across the world has its own agenda. And uh that's unfortunate. It's too bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:31

March 16th, the Mi Lai Massacre took place as Company C of the 1st Battalion of the U.S. Army's 20th Infantry Regiment killed 109 women, children, and elderly men, raised women and children, in Zom Lang, which the U.S. military maps had identified as Mele within South Vietnam's Kuang Nam province. The Army would cover up the incident as a military victory for more than a year until a helicopter pilot who had seen the aftermath was told about the massacre by other members of Company C. Yeah, no, this this is not an auspicious moment in our history.

SPEAKER_41 1:38:10

No, you know, here's uh this is a big transformation that was taking place because, of course, first of all, you had the the the the big protest against the war at the time, and this really solidified uh the protesters' point that yeah, we're not the good guys. And here's proof positive we are not the good guys, especially in this conflict. This is uh we really, you know, and then again we could debate this for till the cows come home, but uh, we really should not have been there. Plain and simple. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:40

So well, things were looking up on March 16th, at least for myself and I'm sure many other teenagers of that era. U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy of New York, the former uh U.S. Attorney General, the younger brother of the late President John F. Kennedy, entered the race for the Democratic presidential nomination and announced that he would challenge U.S. President Johnson at the August 26th National Convention.

SPEAKER_41 1:39:09

Now, was this the reason Johnson dropped out of the race?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:13

Well, we're gonna talk about that in a minute.

SPEAKER_41 1:39:15

Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:16

All right. March 18th, the U.S. departed from the gold standard by eliminating the mandate that U.S. currency deposits be backed by the U.S. gold reserve at the rate of 25 cents per dollar, and that eliminated the requirement for backing notes. Now, I have a friend of mine who, and I don't remember this, I know it happened, but I didn't remember the date. He claims it happened during the Nixon administration. So I'm a little confused about this, but you know.

SPEAKER_41 1:39:52

Huh. Well, that's easily enough. Um always look that up, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:57

Which I probably should have done. But anyway, March 21st, Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York's New York State, surprised with supporters who had been expected him to challenge former vice president Richard Nixon for the Republican Party nomination for president. Quite frankly, Rockefeller said, I want to clear at this time that the majority of party leaders want the candidacy of Richard Nixon at this time. It would therefore be illogical and unreasonable that I would try to arouse their support.

SPEAKER_41 1:40:28

Well, as you you and I know, we live lived under the uh the regime of Nelson Rockefeller at one time. Yes, yes, yes, we did. And uh to this day, we're near where I live in Albany, New York, we have what's called Rockefeller's Follies, which uh I I don't know if you're aware, but it's it's the uh the Empire State Plaza. And of course, the Empire State Plaza was constructed in this in the 60s, and uh it was built right next to this beautiful Dutch architecture of the state capitol. Beautiful, beautiful buildings, and then suddenly right next to it is this big giant monolith of of cement, cement and uh and plain walls that just looked a little out of place. Um I mean it's still utilized, it's still part of the Empire State Plaza, and they have something there called the Egg. By the way, the egg is a theater that you can go and see concerts in, which I enjoy going going to. And they just uh just did a uh uh renovation of the egg. But every time I've seen an artist there without fail, the artist is on stage and they talk about playing inside an egg. There's usually some sort of egg joke that's tossed out at that point.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:38

Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_41 1:41:39

But that's uh Rockefeller's follies.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:42

I never heard that. That's interesting. March 27th, 1968. If you were born in 1950 in March, this would have been your year you turned 18. At Columbia University in New York City, student Mark Rudd and about 150 other supporters of the university's branch of students for a democratic society, the infamous SDS occupied the administration building to protest Columbia's continued association with the Institute for Defense Analysis.

SPEAKER_41 1:42:19

Mm-hmm. And of course, this became kind of a thing, right? Like occupying administration buildings, uh sit-ins. Remember sit-ins? Oh, yeah. You know, just uh what a what a what an interesting way of uh peacefully protesting. Just occupy. I did a couple of those. Did you? Okay. I think it's valuable to know that this is something that you were there firsthand. Yeah. Uh what was your first protest, by the way?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:47

It was uh anti-war protest at uh Griffith Air Force Base.

SPEAKER_41 1:42:51

Griffith in Rome, New York. Yeah. Okay. And uh how many people showed up for that, by the way?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:59

I think there were just a few hundred.

SPEAKER_41 1:43:01

A few hundred. Okay. Um now were you outside the perimeter of the base? What uh what was happening?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:07

Yeah, yeah.

unknown 1:43:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:09

Now did you have to it was a funny story. I I actually was going to college then. Uh obviously. And uh I had a problem with one course I was taking. I was on the verge of failing it. Okay. It was a sociology course, and it coincided with the event at Griffith. Okay. Interesting. And I literally went and talked to the teacher and said I need to be excused from the class. He goes, Well, he goes, you're going to need to really bring your bring your craze off of you if you're gonna pass this test. He goes, You're gonna do what you want to do, but you know, uh he wasn't too happy about it.

SPEAKER_41 1:43:58

I see.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:59

And uh well, I I ended up passing barely.

SPEAKER_41 1:44:03

You did, okay. You got through, but but you had to get some an excuse to uh to go to the protest then. Yeah, gotcha. Wow, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:13

Yeah, that is what it is.

SPEAKER_41 1:44:16

Yeah, oh no, and I mean and this was uh a very common thing about being a college student in in 1968, that was uh a very almost like a standard, right? So if you were in college and you're you're uh studying, if you went to a protest, it was kind of like breathing in a way.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 1:44:34

Back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:35

March 27th, the Gal poll organization announced the results of a cross-section survey of 1,100 145 registered voters, and noted that for the first time in opinion surveys, Richard Nixon was favored over U.S. President Lyndon Johnson and former Alabama governor George Wallace in a three-way race. Nixon was favored by a 41% vote uh rate, Johnson by 39%, and Wallace by 11%. In the first survey taken in October 1966, President Johnson had a 51% to 34% edge over Nixon.

SPEAKER_41 1:45:16

And of course, this is interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting that Johnson would eventually drop out.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:23

Okay, March 30th, we uh had a day after buying a 243-caliber rifle and telescopic site from Aero Marine Supply in Birmingham, Alabama, escaped convict James Earl Ray would exchange that weapon for a more powerful rifle. The 306 Remington Game Master. The new rifle would be found five days later near the site of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.

SPEAKER_41 1:45:52

That's that's a I mean, it's a horrible turn of events. And of course, to this day, we're often wondering, you know, when when someone actually commits an act like this, uh an act of violence with a with a with a weapon like this, where do they get that weapon from? And uh how how is that even possible? But this guy was uh an escaped convict, for God's sake, and so you you think he would have been arrested in those gun shops at the time uh for trying to buy a weapon, and but there was no check and balance. There was no way of uh checking to see who he was, and they didn't care. Just sold him the weapon.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:24

Yeah. March 31st, President Johnson announced in a nationally televised address that he would not seek re-election as president of the United States. Oh, yes. Johnson began speaking from the White House at nine o'clock in the evening and continued for 35 minutes in describing why he had committed to fighting the war. And then he spoke about his own career. At 9:40 p.m., Johnson concluded his speech by saying, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the uh awesome duties of this office, the presidency of your country. Accordingly, I shall not seek and I will not accept the nomination of my party for another term as your president.

SPEAKER_41 1:47:17

How difficult was that speech? How difficult was that?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:20

I remember watching that, and I was like, Yeah. Well, I'm not gonna say it was it was impactful.

SPEAKER_41 1:47:29

Oh, yeah. And you know, was it was it something to do with the fact that uh suddenly uh Bobby Kennedy was uh was tossing his hat into the ring and um was was gaining momentum very, very quickly.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:42

No, so possibly a couple of major uh sporting events in March 1968. It featured these major historic events, including UCLA and Lou Alexendor won the NCAA basketball championship. Peggy Fleming won the uh world figure skating title, and other highlights was the first Special Olympics held in Chicago, Illinois.

SPEAKER_41 1:48:08

Oh yeah, wow. And Peggy Fleming again, you know, just just the darling of of uh figure skating. And everybody really, really uh liked her. She's just such a a great spokesperson for uh for world figure skating. Yeah, oh I just love this thing called Boom. I it it's so much fun to do this as a podcast because, well, you know, it brings back such incredible memories. Chip, I don't know about you, but uh as a as a youngster in the 60s, as Boom, uh the TV was my best buddy, you know? Oh yeah, the television was was ubiquitous, it was there all the time, and you know, when things got that was my time out, by the way. What is your time out?

SPEAKER_03 1:48:48

If I was a bad boy.

SPEAKER_41 1:48:50

Oh, oh, so they stuck in front of the TV?

SPEAKER_03 1:48:53

Yeah, new television for for three years.

SPEAKER_41 1:48:55

Oh, they did they took away the TV, you mean? Yeah, oh took oh gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:59

And then when I didn't watch as much TV, I mean when I was a teenager.

SPEAKER_41 1:49:03

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:04

Uh they took away my transistor radio.

SPEAKER_41 1:49:08

Oh, ooh, that's uh yeah, yeah, that's that's uh that's not good. Not good.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:14

That was that was killer, that was killer. That was like, you know.

SPEAKER_41 1:49:18

Well, uh by you, but when it comes to like a transistor radio, I uh kept one underneath the uh the bed underneath the pillow because at night, you know, my parents, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:29

I should have gotten another one.

SPEAKER_41 1:49:30

Yeah, no, I I I kept it hidden because I, you know, at night my parents thought I was sleeping, and here I was with my little you know earphone listening to radio. So middle of the night. Anyway, so TV was our thing, right? It was it was really our first the first generation to be to be babysent by the television. And so as a consequence, there were lots of lots and lots of TV shows of the day. And of course, in uh March of nineteen sixty eight, which is the the year that if you were born in nineteen fifty, this was the year. You turned 18 and you were entertained endlessly by lots of TV shows. Um what do you say we take a look at some of those top rated shows from sixty seven to sixty eight that season particularly uh if you were uh familiar with TV guide, uh TV Guide was kind of like the Bible if you wanted to find out what was going to be on when, on what uh what channels, you would always have a TV guide handy. And number one, I think and I think this is probably true for many, many years for for most of the sixties, was the Andy Griffith show. Andy Griffith. And and uh uh you know the odd thing about this is we got this idyllic viewpoint of what it was like to live in the south in the 1960s in a small town with a sheriff named And Andy Taylor and his his trusty uh sidekick deputy sheriff uh Barney Fife, uh, and two really terrific actors playing those roles, Andy Griffith and Don Knotts. Uh I mean I kind of felt like I knew those dudes. You know, they they were that uh familiar to the audience back in the day. Well, of course, at the same time, we're talking about a spin-off from that same show, a Gomer Pyle USMC. Now Gomer had uh got his start as a character on the Andy Griffith show, uh of course another CBS production, and uh got his own show as uh as a as a um well a recruit, as a as a what do they call them when they go to the uh the boot camp and they get their ass kicked. A grunt, yes, get their ass kicked. And uh he had a a sergeant who was always you know basically on his case. Uh and there was quite a comedic uh com combination there with Gomer Pyle and this other actor, I've forgotten his name now. Uh but Jim Neighbors played the part of Gomer Pyle and did a wonderful channel.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:59

Yeah, we're gonna get a taste of that in a couple minutes here when we go when we play some of these TV shows, yeah, some excerpts from them.

SPEAKER_41 1:52:06

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:06

And yeah. Go ahead. The Lucy Show was the last Lucy's show was on the air, to my knowledge.

SPEAKER_41 1:52:19

In 1968. That was her her last show.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:21

Wow. I believe so.

SPEAKER_41 1:52:24

Um and uh now she also did she also did a movie around that time with Henry Fonda. Do you remember that? Vaguely. It was called Yours, Mine, and Ours. Yours late 60s. Uh uh Lucille Ball with uh uh with Henry uh Fonda. Uh and uh they played uh he was divorced, she was divorced, or or maybe they were widowed, I've forgotten which, but they had previous had had families separately and then married and they combined their two families together, and of course they had a large group of kids suddenly between the two of them. I think it might have been seven or eight, something like that. Okay, but uh it inspired a TV series, as you probably know, the Brady bunch.

unknown 1:53:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_41 1:53:18

So just saying, but but uh just a little aside from Lucy Lucille Ball, uh, she definitely did have uh yeah, I guess that that was her last year as a as a personality on on American television.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:32

There were some pretty good shows out then. Uh the Carol Burnett show was was The Rage. Uh she was incredibly popular. Ed Sullivan persevered. I mean, he was around for a couple probably 20 years. Yes. Anyways.

SPEAKER_42 1:53:47

Yep, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:48

Uh Mission Impossible was another one of the spy shows that was quite popular. Oh, that was a little that was a little edgier than many of them.

SPEAKER_41 1:53:58

Oh, it was.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:59

It didn't, it didn't have the it was a full-blown drama.

SPEAKER_41 1:54:02

Yeah, and well done. You know, Peter Graves, uh, you know, as as uh one of the lead characters, uh quite a few really good uh good actors that came through that uh series.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:13

And of course, that was a precursor to the the movie series from our friend Tom. And uh there's also Bewitched, the Beverly Hillbillies, the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, and Gentle Ben.

SPEAKER_41 1:54:30

Gentle Ben, wow, I'd forgotten about that. Um by the way, do you uh this bit a bit of trivia here? Um Andy Griffith featured Ron Howard. Uh his brother, I believe, uh was on Gentle Ben. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_03 1:54:46

I didn't remember that. The last next time I saw him, and what was his name?

SPEAKER_41 1:54:51

It was uh So there was Ron and I can't remember his name.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:56

He played an alien on Star Trek.

SPEAKER_41 1:54:59

He did as a very young child, as a as an eight-year-old. Um and uh yeah, and and uh well I know his name, and I'm I'm just it it escapes me at the moment. I'm having another one of those boom moments, my mind. Yeah, uh it's Clint Howard. Sorry, Clint Howard. Clint Howard, yeah, there you go. And Clint Clint was on Gentle Ben uh as a youngster, and uh, you know, that seemed to be that family, the Howard family. Uh you know, the the acting thing was really there, it was in their genetics, you know. Um and uh Clint uh has been doing other things, other other uh side gigs here and there. Um by the way, uh speaking of family, I should mention this because uh Gunsmoke was the number one show. You know, it was like it was on the air for god, 25 years or something. Yeah, longest before MASH, it was like the longest running TV show of all time. And by the way, lead lead character in Gunsmoke, uh Matt Dillon, uh played by uh James Ernest, he was uh the brother to the lead character in the Mission Impossible, Peter Graves.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:05

That's right, he was, yes.

SPEAKER_41 1:56:06

They were family uh brothers. And uh, you know, obviously actors oftentimes took different names. You know, they had uh you know they had changed their name for for screen purposes, and of course, that's one of those things people don't realize that Peter and Jim were uh were actually uh brothers.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 1:56:26

Do you ever see the mod squad? The mod squad, of course, of course, Peggy Lipton, man. I'm one of my favorites. Yeah, what do you think of Peggy Lipton, by the way?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:35

Oh yeah, she was yeah, she's cute, you know, and I was so happy to see her on Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_42 1:56:42

Yes, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:44

I mean, I was like overjoyed. Another reason to love that show.

SPEAKER_41 1:56:50

Oh my goodness. Peggy Lifton. Yeah, yeah. And Peggy Lipton back from uh, you know, the uh television obscurity, you know, after the mod squad went away, she didn't really appear again until uh Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 1:57:04

Wow, very cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:06

Well, on March 6th, uh the 84th and final episode of Lost in Space, the CBS science fiction series was aired. The show had premiered on September 15th, 1965, with the premise that the Robinson family, the robot and a stowaway, Dr. Smith, that man had the nastiest screech for for uh for someone of the male gender. You know, he was always shrieking. Yeah, it had been launched from Earth on the Jupiter 2 on October 16th, 1997. That was the year of the takeoff. Well, the final episode was called Junkyard and Space, Space, pardon me, ended with a Voyager still lost in space. There was no ending episode. You know, I was hoping Penny Robinson would return because she was a cutie. Yes, but it never happened because the Apollo space program wasn't ready for that.

SPEAKER_41 1:58:01

So yeah, yeah. And of course, uh Angela Cartwright, she was in that series. Uh she was a uh uh I didn't realize this, but she was British. Uh and her sister is Veronica Cartwright, who starred in the invasion of the body snatchers and the movie Alien. Exactly. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:18

And I almost I when I was doing when I was uh doing this research, I almost confused the two. And it's a good thing I double checked that because Yep.

SPEAKER_41 1:58:28

Uh Danger, danger, Will Robinson.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:31

Danger chip chap.

SPEAKER_41 1:58:34

So uh Billy Moomie, by the way, he's uh uh had played uh the part of Will Robinson uh youngster, and uh he more recently has been doing some things I've noticed on uh Facebook occasionally. He's he's doing some acoustic shows. He's uh he likes to play guitar and sing. He's really quite good, I have to say. And wouldn't it be cool that if someday we could convince Billy Moomie to come and join us on Boom? Wouldn't that be neat?

SPEAKER_03 1:58:58

You know we can talk to him about the episode of the Twilight Zone, it's one of the creepiest episodes of all when he played this this uh little boy with telekines telekonnected cars.

SPEAKER_41 1:59:09

Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah. He was so young when he first started his career. And you know, by the time he made it to Lost in Space, he was kind of a re a veteran of uh of acting at that point. But what a what a what a great uh thing. And I've often wondered, you know, uh Angela Cartwright and of course uh uh Billy Moomey what um what it was like to be a star at that age uh and and to be so recognizable and uh uh what whether it affected them positively or negatively or not at all, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:46

Marshall let's Lucille Ball, we we mentioned this earlier, and Lucille Balling did her second situation comedy with the Lucy show with her 144th last original episode is Mrs. Carmichael. Wow, and Gail Gordon is her Mr. Mooney Mr. Mooney.

SPEAKER_41 2:00:02

Yeah, that was that uh that guy Gail Gordon was uh considered a uh a pretty good actor in his day.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:09

Yeah, he was he was a real veteran, yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:00:11

Yeah, and so to to play that part, I mean it was just uh it kind of reminded me of oh god, the the guy. Um no now we we're mixing metaphors here, but uh remember the Flintstones? Yeah and uh Mr. Mr. Um oh God uh uh the the gravel guy who was yeah who was Fred Flintstone's boss.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:35

Yeah, I can't I keep thinking of the Jets as in Mr.

SPEAKER_41 2:00:39

Sprockett, but that was that was another one, yeah. Something similar to that. But I think like Mr. Mooney, Gail Gordon's role was kind of similar to those parts that that um had been portrayed in in uh there was a lot of a lot of a lot of that thing in TV shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:55

Typecasting of bosses as being kind of jerks unco uncooperative to the employee. Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:01:04

Uh which, hey, you know, that is certainly something that to consider. But anyway, Gail Gordon as Mr. Mooney was terrific.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:12

Uh, March 14th, ABC aired the final original episode of its Batman TV series with Adam West and Burt Ward. And the final guest villain was Ja Zha Gabor as Minerva. She was going to hear a little bit of that actual show.

SPEAKER_41 2:01:27

She was the last one? Last villain? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I didn't know that. And of course, Jah and she had sisters, Ava Gabor, and and uh what was the other woman's name? Ava Gabor, Ja Zha, and there was a third one, too. But they are all acting as uh as as families.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:44

Very interchangeable.

SPEAKER_41 2:01:45

Yeah, really, truly. Um, anyway, but you know, Batman, man, don't don't get started here because we have so much to talk about when it comes to that that TV series, how it launched, you know, obviously the movies that came out later on. Uh, but the boom generation, I think, is probably Batman and Superman being the two top most popular uh the uh characters of that of our generation.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:08

And actually, I would I well I shouldn't say this because I think he's perpetual.

SPEAKER_42 2:02:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:16

Spider-Man is probably along with Batman is the the the two most popular comic characters. Oh, yeah. But yeah, Spider-Man is definitely all time from 1962 on.

SPEAKER_41 2:02:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:31

He he's the most important character.

SPEAKER_41 2:02:35

Interesting. Yeah. No, it's uh I just you know, I think about the things that that we've been uh uh you know, we've been entertained by and I think, you know, again, you know, uh like you say, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, all really, really iconic for us as a generation. And uh what's come since then, you know, with all the Marvel and the uh DC comic movies, it's okay. You know, I kind of dig it, but it's nothing quite like what we had, you know, back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:03

Yeah, but we still but you know what I look at it this way it's an aging baby boomer. There's really, other than the fact there is a new The Batman movie two coming out in a couple of years, I would like to see that. But yeah, I think I I think I've been very lucky to actually see my favorite comic character in many, many different uh versions.

SPEAKER_41 2:03:25

Yes, yep, and still to this day, uh there's there's new versions being being worked on and developed. Um I think Christian Bale to me is the the greatest of all, but that's just my opinion. But uh I'm sure we'll have lots of debate over that over time.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:41

Um use my favorite franchise of Batman. My favorite Batman is uh Ben Affleck. Really? Ben Affleck? Ben Affleck.

SPEAKER_41 2:03:55

Oh, I don't know if we can hang out anymore, dude. I'm not sure if we can do that. What? I'm not sure we can hang out anymore. If you you think Ben Affleck? Wow, wow, wow, okay, okay. Never mind. Not where we don't have to go there.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:10

I I I I guess I drew an invisible line, I'm sure, my friend.

SPEAKER_41 2:04:14

Ben Affleck. Okay. Um, I respect the man as an actor. Um, but I'm just I'm I'm well anyway. Maybe I should go back and re-watch the role, just just so I can refresh my memory.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:27

Just watch uh Batman v Superman. Oh, oh forget forget the Justice League. The Justice League was stupid, it was ridiculous. That was thrown together.

SPEAKER_42 2:04:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well there, I said it.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:41

Um the funny thing about I'm not gonna belabor this. The Batman TV series really annoyed me initially because it was such camp. Oh, God, and they had just spent two years changing the whole demeanor of Batman in the comic books, making him very a serious detective.

SPEAKER_41 2:05:02

Yeah, and dark.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:03

And got away from the sci-fi campy aspect of it, and the TV show went right back and basically blew that out of the water.

SPEAKER_41 2:05:13

Well, let's let's let's uh for for argument's sake, let's say that that that particular series. Now, as a kid, now I'm you know, ninth when it first came on the era '66, I believe it was. I get it. Yeah, yeah. But I watched it religiously as a kid, right? And I thought of that as very serious. I mean, I was very devoted to the to the to the show. Now I had older sisters who would come into the room when I was watching it.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:36

I I was older, I was eight years older than you.

SPEAKER_41 2:05:38

So I would I was my uh I was 17 then. Yeah, my sisters were around that same age, you know. So they would come in and they would watch it and they'd sit there and laugh hysterically at uh you know the scenes in in Batman. And I just got so bent out of shape about that because I was so devoted to this Batman character. And you know, how dare you laugh at my character? You know, I just it just it irked me no end that that some but you know what I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:06

But it's okay. I almost had Yvonne Craig. I had Bad Girl. Bad girl.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:15

That kind of uh that was okay.

SPEAKER_41 2:06:18

No, no, I gotta, you know, here's the thing. Today's by today's standards, if you look at the way uh uh now Eartha Kit was was Catwoman and also Julie Newmark, they both played the role. Um, and they were dressed in these very, very tight uh outfits that you know that really left very little to the imagination. Um you know, what what do you think? Do you think that would be uh even allowed now on uh mainstream TV? I mean, is that something you would even see necessarily? Probably not. Probably not. Yeah. Um yeah, and then of course, uh well as time went on, uh, we saw even more of that with the with the Star Trek series. Um but yeah, you gotta wonder sometimes is that something that uh that would be allowed. Anyway, I decided to be.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:14

Well, anyways, one last thing I want to mention is the March 25th, 1968, the 58th and final original episode of the monkeys was aired on NBC.

SPEAKER_41 2:07:24

58 episodes? 58? Yeah. I don't remember it being that long. Well, it was two years, right? Two two seasons, something like that. Yeah, but yeah, wow, yeah, yeah. Premiered in September of 66 when I first saw Color TV back in those days.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:40

Um, we got a taste of all of these TV, well, some of these TV shows from March 1968. Uh the year you turned 18, if you were born in March of that year. Here's some TV memories for you.

SPEAKER_18 2:07:55

On boom, there's more songbirds in the girls. Plus I can remain out of the diet.

SPEAKER_09 2:08:44

Maybe I should have it called it Minerva's musical spa.

SPEAKER_17 2:08:48

It has rhythm, Minerva. What happened to Batgirl?

SPEAKER_04 2:08:53

Who knows, Rhythm? Whoever knows.

SPEAKER_09 2:09:14

Also starting from next up as Sergeant Carter.

SPEAKER_12 2:09:28

Come on, move it, move it, in the maxi.

SPEAKER_38 2:09:32

Now, tell me how Florida Barber Black Home used to cut my hair. What he done was he'd leave it a little long in the back, then he'd cut off the sideburns here by the old Saeed with the ear hole, then he'd trim a little bit off the top, and rub in some pomade, and part it on the side, and make a little rabbit ridge up here in front of it, and then he'd comb it whip. Okay?

SPEAKER_05 2:11:37

Well, at least the pieces are moving together. Look, get some rest. I'll see you in the morning. Okay. But we're gonna give you a ride home. But that's all. Uh, no more watchdogging in my place.

SPEAKER_20 2:11:51

Oh, Jess, we're beginning to like the neighborhood.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:54

Good night, Jimmy.

SPEAKER_39 2:11:55

Good night, Captain. Good night.

SPEAKER_29 2:11:57

Good night.

SPEAKER_27 2:14:10

Good morning, Mr. Mooney.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:11

Good morning, Mr. Domino.

SPEAKER_27 2:14:13

Would you like some coffee and Danny?

SPEAKER_06 2:14:15

No. This morning, let's pretend that this is a bank and not a snack bar.

SPEAKER_19 2:14:22

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:23

Would you plan to get busy and make a list of the appointments I have away from the office today? Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_23 2:14:33

What's the matter, Mr. Mooney? Did you get any sleep?

SPEAKER_06 2:14:35

I drove Mrs. Mooney to the airport at five o'clock this morning.

SPEAKER_27 2:14:40

Oh, I thought I was thought it was this afternoon.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:43

I wanted to make sure she wouldn't miss it.

SPEAKER_27 2:14:49

How long is she going to be gone?

SPEAKER_06 2:14:51

Well, she'll be visiting a mother for about a month. I arranged the whole trip as a birthday present.

SPEAKER_26 2:14:57

Oh, I didn't know it was her birthday.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:59

It's my birthday.

SPEAKER_27 2:15:02

Well, congratulations.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:04

Okay, Tom, let's get this some rock and roll here.

SPEAKER_41 2:15:09

It's my favorite part of the show, right here, man. You know? Oh, yeah. We're you and I, we we speak the same language. Yeah. We do.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:17

And by the way, folks, we were talking earlier before we started the show about uh considering the fact we're both from radio and we're both very good friends and we both love music. We were thinking of doing an offshooter boom called Boom Music, where we talk about music maybe for 15, 20 minutes. It'd be a short, a short podcast.

SPEAKER_41 2:15:38

So well, could we keep it could we keep it that short though? Would it be possible to do 15, 20 minutes? I don't, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:44

Well, considering you're talking to here, um it might be a problem.

SPEAKER_41 2:15:50

But anyway, so in 68. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:54

But we still gotta finish 1968 here. So we got the top top 10 songs that I compiled from March of 1968. Not just one week. I have the whole month in the biggest songs that were in the top 10.

SPEAKER_42 2:16:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:11

And you want to read these off, and we'll kind of go over each one if you have any thoughts about it.

SPEAKER_41 2:16:16

Can I can I do it like it, like like Casey Kasen? Can I start with the the the like the lower end of the chart and work our way to number one? Can we do it that way? Sure, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:28

I should say the boom.

SPEAKER_41 2:16:29

Yeah, so uh, and I'll use my best announcer voice for this one. So the top ten billboard hits of March of 1968, beginning with number 10, the Classics 4. Spooky. Ooh. How many times do you play that song on the air, by the way, during Halloween?

SPEAKER_03 2:16:48

Probably, well, see, I did top 40 in the 70s, so probably every year. Ooh.

SPEAKER_41 2:16:54

Yeah, right. Um, by the way, uh, Classics Four, was that not a contrived band? Were they one of those studio musician type thingies?

SPEAKER_03 2:17:04

No, they were actually legitimate.

SPEAKER_41 2:17:06

Really? Yeah. I always thought they were just one of those.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:08

They start they started out in 1966. They called themselves the Classics. Okay. Dennis Yost was not the lead singer then.

SPEAKER_42 2:17:16

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:17

They had a they had a regional hit called Pollyanna. Okay, which I actually remember hearing in Orlando. Ah, interesting. I have a copy of it in my in my archives. It's not very good, but you know, it is the beginning.

SPEAKER_41 2:17:32

Called the Classics. No, the cla classics evolved though later on into something else, uh, which I believe was called Ladder Rhythm Section, was it not?

SPEAKER_03 2:17:42

That's right, yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:17:44

Yeah. So so ladder rhythm.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:46

It was also their producer as well, was involved in ARS.

SPEAKER_41 2:17:52

Yeah, that ARS, wow, is one of my my really one of my favorite Southern rock bands, really. Yeah. You know, really great stuff. Okay, at number nine, if you remember in 1968, at number nine, the Delphonics. La la means I love you. Does it really?

SPEAKER_03 2:18:10

Yeah, they had a lot of big hits in in the that that year, 68, 69, uh into the into the early 70s. Big a competitor to uh the Motown sound. They had a lot of a few other bands that actually sold in rhythm and blues bands that uh made their mark. And Delphonics was one of those bands.

SPEAKER_41 2:18:33

Yeah, they were they were uh, I gotta say, uh as a band, uh didn't do much after. Um, but they certainly you know made it made their mark uh with that one song, and it's it's very memorable tune, by the way. Very memorable.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:18:48

Okay, coming in at number eight. Now, this is this has a little side story to it, so get ready. But this one is Kenny Rogers with the first edition of his band.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:58

And I saw them in college.

SPEAKER_41 2:19:00

Did you? You saw the first edition? No kidding. And uh this one is a favorite of the hippie crowd. It's called Just Dropped In to See What Condition My Condition Was In. And incidentally, that song uh has been featured in a few films, but one of my all-time cult favorite films, The Big Lebowski. And that that's right. That song is in the Big Lebowski, and it's uh it's kind of a funny scene. But anyway, uh Kenny Rogers. I mean, he's here's a guy who became like the soft country hit star darling of all time, but he starts out in this this hippie outfit called the first edition.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:40

It's a it's a great psychedelic song of the era. Yes, it's production's fantastic on that song. Nothing like anything else they did.

SPEAKER_41 2:19:51

And you think about you know, Kenny when he you know became a solo artist uh early on, I mean, very very heart of the heart of the country sort of uh country sound, uh songs like Ruby.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:02

Um and I really don't think you love the town. Yeah I mean we're talking diametrically opposed sounds here, yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:20:09

Yep, completely different. Uh or uh um the the what was the um the the poker song that he did? Um The Gambler? Hold No When to Hold Him, No One to Fold Him? Yeah Yep The Gambler, yeah Uh Okay, number seven, here we go. Um Aretha Franklin. Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:31

She literally had something like seven consecutive top ten songs between 1968 and 1968. I mean one top ten song after another.

SPEAKER_41 2:20:46

She knows she was killing it back in those days. This one is called Sweet Sweet Baby Since You've Been Gone. And uh she spent uh what two weeks at number five? That was uh that was where she peaked. By the way, a little another quick anecdote here. Uh as a as an air personality in broadcasting, one of my favorite all-time interviews was with Aretha Franklin. And uh wow, she was terrific. She was such a nice person, um, but she kept calling me Gary. So but I didn't have the heart to tell her. But nonetheless, uh, very nice person. And of course she was traveling in those days. And this was probably about three to four years before she actually passed away. I mean, she was still performing.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:28

Well, I'm I've I've called you worse things.

SPEAKER_41 2:21:30

Yes, you have. So you're forgiven. I mean thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So let's let's let's let's push on to number six. Coming in at number six, the temptations. Uh I wish it would rain. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:49

Outstanding ballads. They had great RB ballads. Every couple of years they come up with something that's just a killer.

SPEAKER_41 2:21:58

There's there's something about that band that just uh again, you know, you think about all of the R B uh outfits of the day, they really were at the top of the field. There's no question. I think so. Yeah, no question. There was they could do that.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:11

They were more versatile than many of the uh the bands that came out of Motown. Yes. Um right from the get-go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:22:20

Yeah, yeah. Remember Papa was a Rowan stone?

SPEAKER_03 2:22:23

Yeah, I mean they they were all over the place throughout they lasted a decade.

SPEAKER_41 2:22:28

Yeah, yeah. Just extraordinary.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:30

They literally had hits from 64 to 74.

SPEAKER_41 2:22:35

And and it's it's kind of like you really the American Beatles in a way, because they were so so successful and so so prolific. Okay, number five. Now, this is getting into what we refer to as bubblegum rock. Bubblegum rock uh hit in in 1968, in March of 1968, went to number five and stayed in number four for four weeks. It was called uh Simon Says by the 1910 Fruit Gum Company.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:03

Yeah, pretty insipid, that's for sure. Um this kind of music was basically driven by youngsters between the ages of eight and uh twelve.

SPEAKER_41 2:23:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:17

They're now referred to as tweens.

SPEAKER_41 2:23:20

Tweens, yes, the tween the tween sound, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:24

Um and uh the the cats had cats, they were two gentlemen who put very various groups together, they were like a conglomerate. Yep, and they were simply trade members.

SPEAKER_42 2:23:40

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:42

They had the same lead singer for all of them. Isn't that interesting? Uh 1910 fruit gum company, Ohio Express. Um it was a cast that cats super circus interest called Cricket's always small, which wasn't really a big hit. In the night, of course, the 1910 fruit gum company, they had a big big year in '68.

SPEAKER_41 2:24:04

I still remember the single. Uh there was another one called Yummy Yummy Yummy that they did. Yeah, exactly. Right?

SPEAKER_03 2:24:11

That was the Ohio, that was like Ohio Express.

SPEAKER_41 2:24:13

That was Ohio Express. Oh, I thought that was 1910 Fruit Gum Company. Well, I thought that But it didn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:18

It was the same lead singer.

SPEAKER_41 2:24:19

Same lead singer, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So, and we've uh talked about this band uh quite a bit today uh in our in this episode, but uh coming in at number four, uh the monkeys and Valerie. Which by the way, if I were it really was if if we were to talk about our favorite you know monkeys tunes, that was one of mine. I thought Valerie was quite good.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:42

Yeah, that'd be in my top ten. I I mean there's a funny thing I've always said about myself is I love Jimi Hendrix and the monkeys at the same time. What?

SPEAKER_41 2:24:56

I mean, yeah, I mean I yeah, yeah, I mean Well, do you remember not something that I would say back in the day, but no it well, do you remember when uh when uh Jimi Hendrix was paired with the monkeys? He was an opening act for the monkeys on the road. Uh they played the Forest Hills uh stadium where they played tennis uh in in Queens and the the the crowd booed uh Jimi Hendrix because they were there to see the monkeys. I mean, what you booed Jimi Hendrix? Come on, really? But you know, hey, if you're a devoted monkey fan, you're a fan. What can I tell you? And uh you know, they're two diametrically opposed type type of uh type of bands. Um anyway, so as we continue towards the top of the chart here, uh by the way, that was our last top 10 hit. That was the last top 10. That was pretty much the end the end of the uh era. Yeah, and of course their TV show ended too. So um and by the way, uh just a quick aside here, uh they did do a movie afterwards. Do you remember that? Do you remember the movie?

SPEAKER_03 2:26:04

Head.

SPEAKER_41 2:26:05

Head, yes. Uh do you remember who appeared in in Head with the monkeys?

SPEAKER_03 2:26:11

I think Frank Zappa was in that Frank Zappa, and Jack Nicholson produced the movie and wrote the movie along with I think it was Terry Southern. Okay, okay who wrote the McDonald's candy in the movie. It was I think, don't quote me on that, but I know it was Jack Nicholson.

SPEAKER_41 2:26:30

Right. What a what an odd film. What a what a strange film.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:33

Oh, it was it was it it it just didn't do anything. It was it was completely opposite what the monkeys were intended to do by the powers that be. It's not what they wanted. Yeah, it didn't take them long to get fed up with the in the whole project insipid goals of the uh the m the money man.

SPEAKER_41 2:26:54

So yeah. No, it's it was all about obviously making more money, but uh what are you gonna do? Yeah, okay. Let's move on to one of my all-time favorite soul singers, uh, not just Aretha Franklin, but uh number three on this chart, uh Dion Warwick, and a theme from the Valley of the Dolls. Yeah, uh again, a movie theme, but uh nonetheless, great, great, great music. And and Dion Warwick, what a what a phenomenal personality.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:22

I've always loved her. Yes, and it's a funny thing for a rocket roller to say, but right from 62, 63 on. Hell David and Bert Backrack wrote a majority of her big hits. Yes. They were the they were the the uh Lynn McCartney of the time, if you will. And uh yeah, I just she was fantastic, a lot of great music for that woman.

SPEAKER_41 2:27:48

Walk on by. You know, who could very much? What a what a great great record that was.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:52

Um of course she she had a song with the spinners in the 70s, and she had a hit with Stevie Wonder in the 80s.

SPEAKER_41 2:28:00

Yes, yeah, she she had a long career. I mean, I believe she is still with us, though, right? She's still alive.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:07

Yeah, but she's retiring, so she's getting she's she's not going to be recording anymore.

SPEAKER_41 2:28:10

Gotcha, understood.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:11

She's just putting out one more album on the later phone.

SPEAKER_41 2:28:14

Okay. Um, yeah. Well, uh, meanwhile, at number two, now this was uh kind of getting near the end of the era where we would hear uh instrumental music. Yeah, yeah. And this was one of those pretty much died in the early early 70s. It did, it did. It it uh you know went the way of uh uh The Sting and uh and Marvin Hamlish, but um Paul Mariat at number two with a song Love is Blue, which was uh a a wonderful melody.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:42

Um no lyrics that was a French song, by the way.

SPEAKER_41 2:28:47

Was it really? Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:49

Yeah, it was uh you'll see when we talk about the the albums that uh came out in this month. The original uh name of the song in French.

SPEAKER_41 2:29:00

So I think the thing that that appealed to me most about the song was the use of the harpsichord. I really like the sound of that. Uh that it was a pretty song.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:09

Yeah, it was what it is what it is.

SPEAKER_41 2:29:11

Yep, very nice. And finally, at number one, now ironically speaking, this uh this song was released a month after this artist passed away, December of 67, uh in sadly in a plane crash, which happened to a lot of our our idols. But uh Otis Redding at number one with sitting on the dock of the bay, and what a terrific record and uh iconic sound.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:33

The song was unfinished. Really, by the way. Huh. In the in the released form, it was unfinished. Uh he had he had written it, he had recorded it as kind of as a demo. Okay, and of course, he was part of the uh Stax Vault uh team and he Steve Cropper was his guitarist. Okay, also played guitar for Sam and Dave.

SPEAKER_42 2:29:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:59

Um they he was working on the song, they went back on the tour, he hadn't finished yet. The whistling at the end of it that was supposed to be another verse, but he hadn't written the words to it yet.

SPEAKER_41 2:30:12

Really?

SPEAKER_03 2:30:13

Yeah, so they just released it with a with a whistling.

SPEAKER_41 2:30:16

That's really neat. I mean, I know I never knew that it was just uh basically a demo.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:21

Uh but the thing is, uh the they were really worried about releasing that song because it was so different from everything that Otis had done. Yeah, and he never had really had a big hit. He had written some great songs like Respect for Aretha. Aretha took that to make it made a hit out of it, but this was his own song. Wow. What did you what did it be? Very, very poignant, much like uh me and Bobby McGee with Janice Chopper. Yep, the Chris Christofferson song. It finished.

SPEAKER_41 2:30:55

Yep, yep. Yeah, isn't it ironic sometimes?

SPEAKER_03 2:31:00

That's a Chris Christofferson song, right?

SPEAKER_41 2:31:02

It is, yeah, Chris Christofferson. And I mean, um, you know, we we we can talk about uh the the the club eventually uh the club called the 27 Club, uh wherein uh people like Janice Joplin and Jimi Hendrix and James Mor James Mor Jim Morrison all passed away at the age of 27. We'll we'll we'll get into that later. But regardless, um Otis Redding, uh sadly uh posthumous hit for for uh sitting on the dock of the bay. Well, let's hear those. Let's take a let's take a listen to those things.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:34

Um and we'll come back with some albums to remember from March of 1968.

SPEAKER_32 2:31:41

On boom, I'm just gonna sit at the dock of a bay, watching the tide and roll away.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:57

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SPEAKER_41 2:33:02

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SPEAKER_03 2:33:28

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SPEAKER_41 2:33:33

It's called Boom the Podcast, the Facebook page. So please join us by by by all means. Well, so now we're gonna talk about those billboard albums. The album that this is the generation that that really introduced uh the album, the long play, the 33 and a third, if you will. Um we are we are that is our generation. And here's the thing I I will say before we get into this I love, love, love, love. Albums because of the artwork. The artwork, the the album covers. Uh, that's what sold the records half the time.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:08

And some of these albums were classic in that respect, as well as the music within.

SPEAKER_41 2:34:12

Yes, yep, exactly right. And uh, so we'll do this the same way we did with the top record or the top singles. We'll talk about the albums from 10 to 1. So uh I might jump in, Tom.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:25

I want to mention one thing. Yeah, this is back in the era when albums would stay on the charts for two or three years. Yeah, right. Some of these albums were actually released in mid to late 1967. They were still in the top 10.

SPEAKER_41 2:34:40

Wow. Wow. So talk about staying power, right? Um, yeah, I mean, and and here's the thing. Uh now you probably can relate to this because we're of that generation where a new record would come out, and you know, especially if it was a popular band, let's say like the Rolling Stones, I still remember standing in line at the record store to get my copy of, you know, her Her Majesty's satanic verses, you know, things like this. I mean, I I stood in line, and so many other people did to slap down your six bucks for that new record. And then once we got the record, we'd run to somebody's house who had a good stereo and throw it on and listen the to the entire thing from beginning to end several times, and and sit around together to listen, not just by ourselves, but with a group of people. Um, did you do the same thing?

SPEAKER_03 2:35:31

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did it with did it with a number of Beatle albums? Because I didn't always have every Beatle album that came out. I'd I'd be like be at a friend's house.

SPEAKER_41 2:35:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_29 2:35:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:35:44

Yeah, exactly. And it's and it's something that was just you just did it. Yeah, but there was no we didn't think about it necessarily. It was just a natural thing. How many people actually would even consider doing that now? You know, getting a new record and inviting people over just to hear the record.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:00

Yeah.

unknown 2:36:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:36:01

So anyway. So what was number 10? Number 10. We're gonna begin with the man we talked about earlier who toured with the monkeys. Uh Jimi Hendrix and of course Jimi Hendrix Experience. Uh, the album Are You Experienced uh with oh some of the all-time best songs, Purple Haze, Hey Joe. Uh uh I I love, I love, love, love fire, the song Fire. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:26

You know, When Cries Mary.

SPEAKER_41 2:36:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:29

The title track was fantastic. Even third stone from the sun. Yes. Where you hear him, and I think you had to play it backwards to hear this, or maybe not, maybe he's just muted a little bit and then with the music, but where he says, You won't listen to surf music again.

SPEAKER_41 2:36:50

That was that was the big that was that era, right? Where hidden messages within songs. I mean, we could we could do a whole whole boom show on that, you know. Um, but yeah, uh Foxy Lady. I mean, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's that's Jimmy Henderson's all the way.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:05

Amazing first album, just incredible.

SPEAKER_41 2:37:07

Oh my goodness. Um, now of course we want to talk about soul, soul music again. Uh the miracles, they were at number nine with their greatest hits, volume two. Uh spent uh two weeks at number seven.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:21

The uh the Motown groups, especially had amazing success with compilations like this. They interesting would hang around the charts for months. Wow. Of course, then after people bought their singles, yeah.

SPEAKER_42 2:37:38

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:39

That's that's that's quite a statement. Usually you wouldn't think compilations would would have that that staying power, but they this is one of the big ones.

SPEAKER_41 2:37:48

Well, here's the here is the risk, okay. If and again, when you would go to buy a record album, and a lot of times there would be one or two songs that you knew, you know, that you really, really wanted to have, they were on the album. Uh, they might have been available as singles, but you still wanted to get the album, but then you get it home and realize um the rest of the record's not great. It's kind of okay. I got the single now. I got the two songs I wanted, but the rest of it's kind of like eh, whatever. Uh that happened too often. Yeah. So uh let's talk about the greatest super group of the time. Uh a number eight coming in at number eight with cream at Disraeli Gear or Gears, um, which was uh which was Chaka Block again with incredible music: Sunshine of Your Love, Strange Brew, uh Tales of Brave Ulysses, of course, Eric Clapton, Ginger Baker.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:48

Yeah, and it's my favorite cream album. It's it's in my top ten of all time, very easily. Okay. I just love this album. I love the artwork on the album. I love everything about this album. I was obsessed with this album.

SPEAKER_42 2:39:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:01

And uh I think I shouldn't really say this. Come on. But I kind of fell out with Eric Claftin after this, after Kareem broke up.

SPEAKER_41 2:39:17

You mean like as a solo artist?

SPEAKER_03 2:39:19

I felt like he was at his peak then as a guitarist.

SPEAKER_41 2:39:23

Okay, okay. Well, no, I think you have a there's a point. There's a point. Um, no, I would I would say, I would beg to differ in just one in one sense, that once he evolved as a solo artist and picked up the acoustic guitar, suddenly he became the the master that he actually is, once again, with an acoustic guitar rather than the electric. And it didn't happen until the unplugged collection.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:51

Uh and I also got to keep in mind that he went through a lot of health problems. He was he was a heroin addict. I mean, he clean got cleaned up. Yep, he nearly died. Yep. A lot of the emotional problems. And I mean, he I mean, like anything, it's going to change your perspective on what you do and probably if you're a musician, the music you play and the way you play it.

SPEAKER_42 2:40:10

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:11

So I really can't fault him. He's had an amazing career.

SPEAKER_41 2:40:14

Oh, yes. I mean, it's it's astounding as an artist. Yeah, as an artist, as a as a player, as a guitarist, probably the greatest of all time, as far as the just his career is concerned, and and the the different different types of things he's done. I really think his blues uh thing when he did the Robert Johnson covers, to me, that's just phenomenal stuff. It's just that's great, really well done. Um, but uh to say what you will about cream. Now, of course, this we're talking about volatile personalities. Eric Clapton, Jack.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:43

They didn't even like each other, but they they they realized they had they had a group synergy that was unheard of at the time.

SPEAKER_42 2:40:55

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:56

I mean, there were other blues bands, like Fleetwood Mac's first two albums are blues albums. Oh, of course, but they weren't as good as these guys. Yeah, their first album, Fresh Cream, is one of the finest blues albums you're ever then hearing.

SPEAKER_41 2:41:08

Oh, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, and Ginger Baker as a drummer, um, really top five greatest drummers of all time. Top five greatest drummers of all time. He was a has a jazz sensibility. In fact, he did some some work in the jazz field, but uh Ginger Baker is also a crazy person. Um there's a documentary, if you haven't seen it before, I highly recommend it. It's called Beware of Mr. Baker.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:35

And yeah, he had quite a reputation.

SPEAKER_41 2:41:37

Yeah, he did. And uh I remember the uh the person who actually interviewed him for this documentary, I was attacked by him at the end. Uh literally attacked by him. So uh watch the documentary. I think you'll see what I mean. But it's uh yeah, Ginger Baker, a brilliant guy, brilliant drummer, but a little off on the uh, you know, uh short of a, you know, uh uh he was a taco shy of a of a of a combination plate. Just say it. Uh so we got to get into this because you and I we we we think alike here. But uh chat, we're talking about uh number six on this chart of uh of greatest albums of 68.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:17

We missed number seven.

SPEAKER_41 2:42:18

Did we miss number seven? Oh, I'm jumping ahead here. Oh man. Uh okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:24

I I I am gonna say one thing about this. This is Herb Albert's ninth album with with a T one of brass.

SPEAKER_41 2:42:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:30

Okay, it was a huge hit. The album was a hit, but there are no hits on here. It's a couple of singles, they really weren't hits. Okay. And I was when I was compiled, when I was compiling this list, I was checking out, of course, the uh pertinent songs on each album.

SPEAKER_42 2:42:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:48

One was called a banda, which I can't remember. I kind of remember it. Then they did a version of Carmen. But that this speaks for the popularity of this band from 1962 until like literally 1968, then when he went he went solo after this album.

SPEAKER_41 2:43:08

Yes. Okay. And uh he also founded AM Records. Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:15

Yeah. But this band was unbelievably popular in the 60s. They could not do anything wrong. Yeah, every album went top ten or number one.

SPEAKER_41 2:43:23

And interesting that it it really it's ethnicity, it had it more of an ethnic sort of blend, and it was so popular, so so uh well received by the public. Yeah, uh, true, you know, it it's really a testament to his his talent. Um, okay. All right. I I can't stop, I can't stand it anymore. We have to get to number six.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:42

Well, those guys from those guys, what those guys from Liverpool?

SPEAKER_41 2:43:46

Oh, those dudes, the the Liverpool lads, those those mop tops we we got into last time in our first episode.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:52

Oh, they wouldn't go away. It was so overrated.

SPEAKER_41 2:43:56

Yeah, well, magical mystery tour, number six from the Beatles. And yeah, it was number number three for a week.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:05

But here's Well, actually, within that month, it was number one for weeks and weeks and weeks.

SPEAKER_41 2:44:10

Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:12

In January, because it this is dropping down to number six. Oh, gotcha, yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:44:16

Being at three.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:17

So it yeah, just just to clarify, the peak, the peak numbers are not the ultimate top number for the bands, yes, that album. Yeah, it's during the month of what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_41 2:44:30

So now, this is also uh a a sore subject for for some fans because of magical mystery tour, the actual film, uh, which was shown in England and was was a flop, basically a disaster.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:45

Well, first of all, it was shown on Boxing Day, which is a huge holiday in Britain. Yep, near Christmas, yeah. And also they showed it on the BBC in black and white. Ooh, ooh, wow. And it's and it's it's a color movie.

SPEAKER_41 2:45:01

It is, yes, it is, yeah. Um but yeah, I mean, compare this to to help or uh hard days night, you really you really kind of go, guys, what happened? You know what what is up here? Uh the drugs really kicked in finally.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:17

It was considered a stumble, a faux pas.

SPEAKER_41 2:45:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but the music was I'm go ahead. No, no, I was just gonna say the music that was not a stumble. That was yeah, you know, a lot of great stuff here.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:29

Did you know, and I'm sure you do, that this album was only an album in North America.

SPEAKER_41 2:45:36

Really?

SPEAKER_03 2:45:37

This was not an album in Britain.

SPEAKER_41 2:45:39

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:40

Now I wonder songs from the soundtrack that weren't singles on they're all on side one. Yep, those were released in Britain as what's called EPs or extended play disks in like 45s. Okay. And they put like three songs on one side and two songs on another. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And this was not released in the U.S., it became canon when they went to compact disc. Oh, interesting. They decided arbitrarily, yeah, yeah, we'll go with the American magical mystery toward album. Okay.

SPEAKER_41 2:46:15

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's what we remember. Uh I'm glad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:19

I'm glad because they didn't do any of that with the other American albums. And I'll get into that someday.

SPEAKER_41 2:46:25

Okay. Wow. No, it's uh, I mean, all you need is love. And you think about here's the thing about all you need is love. It was performed uh as as the the first broadcast through satellite. Satellite link. Uh, which which I thought, you know, at the time, satellite? Really? Wow, that's really that was cutting edge for its day. To uh to put this out there as a satellite broadcast.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:55

Yeah, that was that was an amazing experience for these people. They had never done anything, nothing that hadn't been done before.

SPEAKER_41 2:47:01

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 2:47:02

Another beetle, a needle, another beatles first.

SPEAKER_41 2:47:04

Yep, yep, really interesting stuff, gotta say. Okay, well, we're getting back into the list here. We've got uh we've got a repeat. This one, by the way, uh once again, number five goes to Jimi Hendrix, and the Jimi Hendrix experience, uh the album Access Bold as Love.

SPEAKER_03 2:47:22

Which was actually his second album, and this was about the time period that it came out. Uh, you experienced it at Benjamin lingering on the charts for since probably uh August of 67. Okay, okay, yeah. But this was his second album, and uh a little bit of a departure, I think. What do you think about this album?

SPEAKER_41 2:47:42

Well, you know, it's uh uh Little Wing is one of my all-time faves. And if with if six was nine, by the way, uh it was remade as a as a tribute, I guess you could say, to Jimi Hendrix, but in the um, I want to say it was probably 1993, 94 by a uh a group called Beautiful People, and they got permission from the the Hendrix Estate to remix this, uh, which they retitled as If Sixties were 90s, and it's phenomenal. It's it's one of the greatest uh mixes I've ever heard of of the original Jimi Hendrix music that was put together, kind of like um remember the chemical brothers? Remember those guys? Yeah, they would take uh samples and they'd mix them together. This was probably the quintessential Jimi Hendrix mix of of uh and it was borrowed from this song, if six were n if six was nine, but they called it if sixties were nineties. Um and if you ever hear it, it again beautiful people, uh it was their only their only hit record. Uh it's incredible. And uh it is a tribute to Jimi Hendrix. But um nonetheless, you know, uh Axis Bold is love, uh occupying that space. And geez, you know, the guy could do no wrong. He was just just wailing on it. Of course, that had um I don't have the song list in front of me here, but is it on you is it on your oh we've got uh Little Wing, uh Up from the Skies, Castles Made of Sand. I mean, those were those are really uh transcendent records that uh that he was producing. His his imagination, uh you know, when you think about as a musician, not just a guitar player, but his imagination uh was just endless, it seemed. He just had all kinds of um I just I think of that that era. And and the the reason we are so lucky to be Boom is he's one of the reasons. Because we we experienced that uh firsthand. Um okay, number four, a soundtrack record. Go figure. Go figure. Uh, this one from the movie called The Graduate and Simon and Garfunkel. Now, may I say the theme that we always have heard over the years, Mrs. Robinson, is the reason my wife never took my last name when we got married. Just saying.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:10

Oh wow. Wow. Wow. Okay, I yeah, I can understand that. I don't blame her. Um I never that never occurred to me. I mean, we've joked them, we've joked at each other for years, pal, but I never wow.

SPEAKER_41 2:50:29

So, how many times do you think somebody has walked up to me after meeting me for the first time and said, Cuckoo Choo?

SPEAKER_03 2:50:36

Oh God.

SPEAKER_41 2:50:37

And my my comeback is always like I'd always say something like, Oh, like I've never heard that before.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:50:45

Yeah, but nonetheless, great song.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:47

But uh, yeah, I mean, just a melding of two great uh situations. You had Simon and Garfunkel, it's like they were born to play music for this soundtrack. Yep. And you had Dustin Hoffman in his first movie, and he was brilliant.

SPEAKER_41 2:51:04

Oh, amazing.

SPEAKER_03 2:51:05

As you're gonna see in a couple of minutes, when we talk about movies, if you listen to his dialogue between this is something we should talk about later. I'm gonna wait till I've got to do that, anyways. Yeah, it was just amazing soundtrack. Yeah, and the beginning of what was typically a melding of rock and roll artists with sound soundtrack albums.

SPEAKER_42 2:51:27

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:51:28

It's uh there was secondary music on this album as well from the soundtrack, but there were a couple of Simon Garfuck song songs, including a couple of instrumentals.

SPEAKER_41 2:51:38

Yes, no doubt. No, it's uh it's uh I I again I didn't see this as a kid in the theaters. It was a bit too adult for my uh for my age group. Yeah, you're little boy, but I but I did see it later, you know, as a uh you know, as a uh uh on a VHS tape. And uh yeah, I mean it's it's astoundingly good. It's just a great movie, but uh the soundtrack, of course, perfect with Simon and Garfunkel. Yeah. Well, let's brilliant. Yeah, let's talk about the Lady of Soul again. What do you say? She's coming around again.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:10

Uh on she had uh a big album here because she had like three top ten songs on it.

SPEAKER_41 2:52:17

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:18

68.

SPEAKER_41 2:52:19

Yep, yeah. Uh Retha Lady's soul at number three. Uh Retha Franklin, of course, uh Chain of Fools, Natural Woman, since you've been gone. Of course, that we talked about that song earlier with uh being on the top of the charts. And wow. Uh yeah, she is uh say what you will, uh probably the all-time greatest RB singer.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:39

Number two is very interesting to me, especially with I'm I'm on Dylan aficionado from the 60s.

SPEAKER_42 2:52:49

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:50

I really kind of got away from him after that. Periodically, I'd like an album, maybe a song from an album, but yeah, well, uh, I appreciated his music from the 60s. But when he came out with this album, which was lingering from 67 on the charts, John Wesley Harding, it was a body slam, mentally. Body slam because we went from Blonde on Blonde, which is diametrically different from this sound. He's doing country music, yes and country rock.

SPEAKER_42 2:53:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:32

Yep, and it's like his buddies who became the band, and he was offers also his touring band in the 60s, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had had a motorcycle accident, he was injured, he came back, he literally went into seclusion because the fame that he was dealing with, he didn't like it.

SPEAKER_41 2:53:52

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:52

He's always been a very private person.

SPEAKER_41 2:53:54

He did not, he did not deal well with that.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:57

Once again, he reinvented himself.

SPEAKER_41 2:53:59

Yep, yep. Well, you know, you think um, and when it comes to just writers, writers of songs, uh, say what you will about his performances, their their hit and miss. But when it comes to writing, um, really the greatest of the generation. You really have to have to admit that. Um, you know, and and and begrudgingly, in some cases, I've met people that are just not Bob Dylan fans and have lots of less than positive things to say about him, but at the same time, you can't take this away from him, you know. He was really, really awesome. Uh, and uh, you know, all along the watchtower, I mean, come on, yeah, and uh Hendrix took that one as well. And uh he gave that to Hendrix, by the way. He did.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:40

What's not known about Dylan kind of mentioned this in an interview probably two or three years ago, where okay, I never cared about having a hit record, I just wanted to write songs. After I wrote the song, I didn't care what happened to them. I used to try to give them to people because I gave the I gave Mr. Tambourine Man to the birds.

SPEAKER_41 2:55:03

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:55:05

Here's what you can do with this.

SPEAKER_41 2:55:06

Isn't that funny? Isn't that interesting? Now he he uh I like when the record company wouldn't let that out though.

SPEAKER_03 2:55:13

They wouldn't be able to label mates, but yeah, you can't be walking around saying that you don't want your songs, you know.

SPEAKER_41 2:55:20

He uh I think that was really his goal anyway. It was just to be a writer. That's that's what he wanted to be. Yeah, and inspired so much uh by you know the idea of Woody Guthrie and what he did for for Americana. Uh Bob Dylan, of course, uh more than more than picked up the mantle to as uh Woody Guthrie had uh passed the torch to him in a way. And so finally, number one If you really want to know about Dylan, just watch the Timothy Chalamane movie. Oh, yes, the the one that just came out this what last year? Yep. That's all you need to know. Okay, okay. I haven't watched it yet, I haven't had a chance. Oh, Tom. But yeah, that's Do it. It's amazing. Is it good? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:56:03

We don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 2:56:04

Yeah. It is absolutely and just a quick he is.

SPEAKER_03 2:56:08

He became Dylan. And it's just it's just that that that snotty not caring attitude that people mis. He wasn't a very social person.

SPEAKER_41 2:56:17

No.

SPEAKER_03 2:56:18

People misunderstood him.

SPEAKER_41 2:56:19

Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, remember in our first episode of Boom, we discussed how the Beatles handled the press. Yeah. Now, Dylan was the opposite. Was the opposite cared less. You know, just like, well, this guy's not gonna, he's not gonna talk to us, so what are you gonna do? You're gonna go, all right, whatever, dude. Uh God for Bobby. I know. I know. It's uh yeah, yeah, again, you say what you will about him. Uh, he still is one of the greatest of all time. And finally, at number one on this this side.

SPEAKER_03 2:57:04

Five freaking weeks, and I don't, I mean, yes, it was a number one song, probably number one song for the year, I believe.

SPEAKER_41 2:57:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:57:11

It was just it was good music, it was easy, it was just ballot. It was it was it was good music. Oh, sure. But it wasn't for sure. I number a number one album for five weeks. I I find that absolutely amazing.

SPEAKER_41 2:57:22

Yep, Paul Mariette. And uh charming music. It was blooming hits, kind of an outlier. Uh, you know, and of course, after that, just just just vanished into obscurity, uh, sadly. Uh really never came back around to to uh to find the top of the chart ever again. But uh that is that is how it works sometimes in the music business. You you have your moment in the in the sun, you you enjoy it, and then it's gone. So but uh Paul Morriot. Um again, I you know, I I do enjoy the record, uh last of its kind, really, when it comes to instrumental hits, we don't see that very much uh at all anymore. So regardless, uh wow.

SPEAKER_03 2:57:59

The ultimate one-hit wonder.

SPEAKER_41 2:58:02

But uh uh one of the things that I wanted to mention about record albums, not just the for the fact of the artwork and and the things that you know that you that you uh you you look at them, you can put them up on the wall for God's sake, you put them in a frame and and remember those those uh those record albums. But if I go back through, and I have a I hate to confess this, but I I have over a thousand records still kicking around the house.

SPEAKER_03 2:58:27

Yeah I remember your collection.

SPEAKER_41 2:58:29

Yeah, right. So you know um a couple of times I've been kind of reminiscing about the good old days, and I uh one time opened up one of my double albums, you know, the the part that you know they they fold in half and you open it up, and then in the interior, you know, you have more more more artwork. Well, I've forgotten exactly what album it was. I think it might have been uh Yes, Tales of Topographic Oceans. I pulled it out not too long ago and found um remnants of um of it of an illegal substance inside the record album that uh I must have consumed at one time. But uh yeah, after all those years finally opened up and there are those remnants of this uh this controlled substance to say. So I don't know what to say to that. Well, they had more uses than just music. It could have been me. I could have been. But uh anyway, so so yeah, so hey geese, you know, we should probably listen. Uh we we should probably um you know go back in time sometime and reminisce about those great times, especially sitting around listening. I think we should have a listening party someday. That's what I think we should do.

SPEAKER_03 2:59:45

Okay, we are with boom, March 1968. That's the echo year of 1950, March. This is the uh year and month that you would have turned 18 if you were born in March 1950. That's what we're doing here, and we're doing the top movies, and of course, one of the most groundbreaking movies of all time was The Graduate, the top grossing number one film for the entire months.

SPEAKER_41 3:00:11

Wow, and uh a top soundtrack as well.

SPEAKER_03 3:00:14

Yeah, yeah, Simon Garfung meets Dustin Hoffman, yeah.

SPEAKER_41 3:00:20

And uh, I mean, you couldn't get much more hip than that for the time. Uh and the idea, uh, the you know, some of these main characters really gotta say, you know, it it spoke to the times. It really did. It really captured what was going on politically, it captured what was happening in society. Remember the one speech with uh Dustin Hoffman's father in the in the in the role uh talking about plastics, that's where it's at, right? Yeah, and trying to encourage his son to to get into uh plastics. I'm like, okay, that's kind of where things were back in 1968. Um and uh how prophetic were that that was for sure.

SPEAKER_03 3:01:01

Yeah, but uh then we had uh Planet of the Apes.

SPEAKER_41 3:01:08

Wow. This this was so that that month really sucked.

SPEAKER_03 3:01:15

Wow, yes, yes, probably one of the most it's up to that time the most eventful ending to a movie that we ever experienced as baby boomers. Yes, I can't think of anything else where you were just like what the hell is this?

SPEAKER_41 3:01:38

Right, what just happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's it's funny too because they sort of uh throughout the movie, if you go back in retrospect and look at certain scenes, they sort of allude to the end, you know, what happens in the end. Uh but Charlton Aston, I mean, talk talk about classic, you know, in that role. Um and you know, the fact that he was dealing with with this generation of of simians, uh apes of of different styles and types, uh, gorillas and and um and uh oh god.

SPEAKER_03 3:02:09

Had their own class order.

SPEAKER_41 3:02:11

Yeah, yeah, exactly. They there they were there was a caste system, and of course the gorillas were the soldiers and the and the the rulers basically. Uh but then they had the uh uh chimpanzees were were of a different a different uh class and caste system. Uh and they some of them were scientists and had uh they were much more intelligent, and uh so yeah, um I have to say, really, really unique for its time, science fiction, of course. But uh, as I mentioned earlier, this is one of those movies where my friends were not permitted to go see this movie in the theater, and so I went by myself. I went and saw it. I sat in a theater uh with with other strangers and watched this thing and had that that reaction at the very end. Just oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:00

Oh my so if you haven't seen it, I don't want to spoil it, so I'm not gonna tell you how it ends. It's alluded to when you hear the uh movie bits that we do at the end here, right?

SPEAKER_41 3:03:14

Right. And it spawned Planet of the Apes, and it spawned other editions thereof, you know, uh Return to the Planet of the Age.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:21

It's still going on.

SPEAKER_41 3:03:22

Yeah, it's still going on.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:24

Um nothing, nothing matches that first one.

SPEAKER_41 3:03:27

Oh no, not at all. And and so uh stunning and and so well shot, uh have to say, and well acted for its time, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:37

Okay, well, another movie that came out was uh Valley of the Dolls. Yeah, kind of a trashy, a trashy flick. I it was a personal favorite of mine. It's it's actually a uh guilty pleasure. It's so horrible, it's it's so freaking horrible. But it's got my girl Patty Duke. Patty, yes, we know and also Barbara Park Perkins was actually one of my faves too, because she was in the um um oh my god, what's the name of the show? Peyton Place.

SPEAKER_42 3:04:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:04:09

Which I watch now and then. But Patty Duke kind of shook shook me up in this movie because remember, I've been watching Patty Duke on TV. She was this cute little teenager from Queens, New York, and suddenly she's this drinking, smoking tough chick.

SPEAKER_42 3:04:25

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 3:04:26

And I'm like, what happened to my patty? Oh, she's Sharon Tate, of course, was in it. And yeah, prophetically, it was uh it's hard to watch that movie now, yeah, just for the fact that she's in that movie and what happened to her.

SPEAKER_41 3:04:43

Yeah. A year later. With the Madsen family. Wow, just just horrible stuff, yeah. But yeah, nonetheless, you know, Valley of the Dolls kind of a and based upon a book, isn't it not?

SPEAKER_03 3:04:53

Yes, it was. Huge hit.

SPEAKER_41 3:04:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:04:56

The book was trashier than the movie. You get a chance to watch, it's it's a fun watch, but yeah, it's it's it's not high art by any match. What is the imagination?

SPEAKER_41 3:05:04

And one of the other movies we should probably mention too, because uh it there there were several movies that came out in that 60s era that spawned television shows. And one of the greatest of all time would be the movie The Odd Couple.

SPEAKER_03 3:05:17

Yeah, by the way, which which was actually oddly enough, the the TV show and the movie are so both so well done. Yes, they both nail the concept of these two mismatched men who really don't even like each other. Yeah, not much are forced to live together when they're each thrown out of their respective households for a good reason, so to speak.

SPEAKER_41 3:05:47

I think you know, Jack Lemon, Jack Lemon, say what you will. Uh, he really does uh an upstanding job of Felix Unger, you know. Yeah, and of course, the quintessential Walter Mathau, the grumpy old man, right? This is perfect, perfect role for him. And uh wow, that uh of course later on, Jack Klugman and Tony Randall, you know, did their thing and uh continue this this great tradition of the odd couple, just uh terrific stuff.

SPEAKER_03 3:06:18

Amazing remake, amazing remake.

SPEAKER_41 3:06:20

Yeah, truly that, truly that. And uh, well, I'll let you take the honors here because there's this next movie that uh to me is transcendent to this day.

SPEAKER_03 3:06:32

Okay, 2001 and Space Odyssey.

SPEAKER_41 3:06:34

Oh, there it is. 2001 Space Odyssey. Um, I didn't see that until 1974. Really? No, I'm kidding. Um here's the thing. Again, it's one of those situations where only a few of my friends were able to go. Uh, but here's why I went. Now there was a friend again on my block, we there was a lot of families, and in this one family I spent, you know, a lot of time hanging out there. Now, my my buddy, he was a little younger than me, but he had an older brother. And his older brother at the time, I think it was middle school, maybe maybe a little bit older than that. And he was raving about the fact that he had just seen 2001 of Space Odyssey, raving about it. And it intrigued me no end. So I begged and pleaded and pleaded and begged and begged and pleaded, and I went to see the movie in the theater in the in the first run, and it was what, three hours and twenty minutes? It was long. There was an intermission. Quite long. Yeah, there was there's an intermission in the middle of the movie where they just a lot of people to get up and go to the the concess concession stand or stand up and walk around because it was sitting there for three and a half hours. Uh I don't know of any other movies that have actually uh eclipsed the length of this movie. But uh it was well worth it, I have to say. Amazing film, yeah. So many classic movies.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:01

I think I think looking back on this some of my favorite movies are Kubrick movies.

SPEAKER_42 3:08:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:09

Stanley Kubrick has done some really done he's his his filmography is outstanding, of course. Oh yeah. I mean, there are three or four of his movies that I have to say. I just go back to them. This is one of them. Yep, not so much, uh, but we've I've seen other ones that were like eyes wide shut, which is very controversial.

SPEAKER_41 3:08:32

I cannot see that.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:33

When I saw that, I'm like, yeah, this is a freaking masterpiece.

SPEAKER_41 3:08:37

Yeah, oh no question.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:40

Oh, yes, he was fearless, a fearless director, much in a way that David Lynch was a fearless director.

SPEAKER_41 3:08:47

Or Hitchcock.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:49

Or Hitchcock, yes.

SPEAKER_41 3:08:50

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:51

I mean, I'm gonna put Steven Spielberg, I can't really put them in the same category because he's more mainstream, yeah, but still one of the best, probably the goat of our generation. But Kubrick and Lynch were just they didn't care what they did. They they they followed their own muse to their own detriment sometimes.

SPEAKER_41 3:09:14

Um don't oh, no doubt.

SPEAKER_03 3:09:16

Orange Kubrick?

SPEAKER_41 3:09:17

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's uh very divisive movie, but still groundbreaking, uh atmospheric to the point where you you become a part of the movie when you watch it. You can't help but be drawn into the into the moment. You you forget there's actors on a screen. It's like it's happening in front of you. And that's Kubrick's uh gift, that's what he does. Um, and to feel the the feeling you would have when you'd watch the 2001 Space Odyssey movie, to be in the theater and to see uh the way it was filmed, it was so astonishing. Uh especially the parts when they're in the space where um the uh the main character uh uh Dave is uh in his spacesuit and he's breathing, and all you can hear is the breathing. There's it's dead quiet other than the breathing.

SPEAKER_03 3:10:07

That's what's amazing about that movie. I mean, I'm trying to think what what science fiction movie that I had was attracted to previously, and I mean I had to go back to the 50s.

SPEAKER_42 3:10:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:10:20

I think the closest thing to it was possibly uh War of the Worlds. That was like 1953.

SPEAKER_41 3:10:27

Mm-hmm. Yes. Yep. Uh and and of course it was right before the moon landing. You know, Apollo Project was a hot topic, you know, a lot of people were into space at the moment. And there was actually some people that believed that that uh Kubrick had gone into space somehow and filmed this thing, which obviously was not the case. But his special effects team was top-notch. They were so good and so far afield and so far ahead of everybody else when it came to imitating what it would really truly like be like to be in space. Um yeah, just just uh astonishing. But of course, we have we have to rem remind people by the end of the film, as we travel through this uh quote unquote wormhole or whatever you want to call it, uh it gets very trippy. Very trippy.

SPEAKER_03 3:11:16

The ending's gonna be quite uh confusing for the casual viewer. Even even if you're into science fiction, you're gonna you're gonna go, wait, what? Huh? Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 3:11:29

Um but no, it's uh it really is.

SPEAKER_03 3:11:32

That was Cooper.

SPEAKER_41 3:11:33

Exactly, exactly right. He wants he was very thought-provoking and all called, of course, he he did not want to look like anybody else. And uh he succeeded in that regard, of course.

SPEAKER_03 3:11:43

Well, a couple of other movies that came out that were fairly successful. One in particular was Romeo and Juliet with Franco Zeffarelli directing. Um that was actually shown for the first time in 1968 at the royal film performance at the Odeon Cinema in London. And uh it was it was actually attended by uh Queen Elizabeth II and her husband, Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, and also their young son, Prince Charles.

SPEAKER_41 3:12:11

Isn't that amazing? Prince Charles. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 3:12:13

Well he's got satirical film, the producers premiered in the U.S. after his debut screening in 1967. It actually won an Oscar for best original screenplay, and would be ranked in AFI's 100 Years, 100 Laughs list as number 11. It is a very controversial film. Basically, it's it's kind of a the producers is about a a literally a stage play commemorating it's a satire of Hitler.

SPEAKER_41 3:12:48

Uh yes. Ah, yes, of course. Yeah. Again, you know, uh fodder for comedy, no doubt. Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_03 3:12:55

Okay, I stuck one movie on this list that nobody has ever heard of. Okay, but you've got to see this movie. I never even knew it existed until about two months ago when I see it popping up on um Turner Classic movies. And I can't I was reading some things about it. It's called The Swimmer, yes, Bert Lancaster. Basically, you see him stop at a neighbor's house, like three miles from his house, hot, sunny day, and he gets the idea I'm going to swim home by going to each of my neighbors' houses and swimming in each of their pools before I go home.

SPEAKER_41 3:13:40

What an odd concept.

SPEAKER_03 3:13:41

It's a very strange concept, and it sounds ridiculous. But as time goes on, you're watching the way people are treating him, what's happening to him on the way, on the way, he becomes more and more despondent. There's something else going on here, but you don't quite know what it is, and I'm not gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_42 3:14:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:14:02

Because the payoff is worth it.

SPEAKER_42 3:14:04

Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_03 3:14:04

It is, but it is a great movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_41 3:14:09

Yeah. No, he uh he is uh he was one of the the greatest of his time as far as acting goes. Uh that generation of the 30s, 40s, 50s. He was just, and this is you know probably one of his swan songs, I believe. I mean, he didn't do too many other movies after this, but uh he truly uh proved his medal in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 3:14:30

Yeah. So that is our movies for March 1968, and we're gonna listen to a few of these in a medley. Here we go. On boom. The graduate starring Dustin Hoffman.

SPEAKER_05 3:14:42

I can't say one word to you.

SPEAKER_33 3:14:46

One word. Just so you plastic.

SPEAKER_39 3:14:58

What do you think of it?

SPEAKER_35 3:15:00

Well, I always thought that you were very nice first. I think I should be fine.

SPEAKER_07 3:15:12

Um Mr.

SPEAKER_35 3:15:13

Bowlston, if you don't mind my saying so. This conversation is getting a little strange. Now, I'm sure that Mr. Robinson will be here any minute now. What?

SPEAKER_36 3:15:25

Oh my god. I don't know, Mr. Robinson. Oh no. I mean, you didn't really think I'd do something like that. What do you think? I don't know. I got to say, Mrs. Robinson.

SPEAKER_33 3:15:39

Anyway, y'all, you got me into your house, you give me a drink, you put on music, now you start opening up your personal life to me and tell me your husband won't be home for an hour. Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to do it.

SPEAKER_05 3:16:26

Everybody pulled me. No longer member means the customer of the Ministry of Science.

SPEAKER_15 3:16:39

You don't believe in prosecutors charge that I'm a monster created by Dr. Zyr. You're a mutant. That's what Sarah and Cornelius claim. You're talking heresy, Doctor. Of course. Suppose I'm a mutant. How can the appearance of one mutant send you into a following? I'm pretty handy with this. I'm sure. All my life I've awaited your coming and dreaded it. I've terrified you from the first, doctor. I still do. You're afraid of me? Why? Because you're a man. From the evidence, I believe his wisdom must go hand in hand with his idiots. His emotions must rule his brain. He must be a warlike creature who gives battle to everything around him. Even himself. There were no weapons in that cave. The forbidden song was once a paradise. Your breed made a desert of it ages ago. It still doesn't give me the one. Planet's evolved from men. There's gotta be a mention. Don't look for it, Taylor! You may not like what you find. All the time finally really did it.

SPEAKER_27 3:18:22

You blew it up.

SPEAKER_29 3:18:26

Damn you. Damn you.

SPEAKER_39 3:18:34

Two thousand one, a space odyssey.

SPEAKER_07 3:18:41

Dave, do you mind if I ask you a personal question? No, no, no. I've wondered whether you might be having some second thoughts about the mission. Tiny me. Rumors about something being dug up on the moon. I never gave these stories much gredence, but particularly in view of some of the other things that have happened, I find them difficult to put out of my mind.

SPEAKER_05 3:19:24

Open the potato doors, please. Open the polite doors, Al.

SPEAKER_07 3:19:32

I'm sorry, Dad. I'm afraid I can't do that.

SPEAKER_17 3:20:28

The odd couple. What's wrong, Laska? Something wrong with this system. That's what's wrong. I don't think that two single men living alone in a big eight-room apartment should have a cleaner house than my mother.

SPEAKER_18 3:20:42

Starring Jack Lemon. A hypochondria. A fuss budget. Neater than neat. Cleaner than clean. No wonder his wife kicked him out.

SPEAKER_16 3:20:57

What are you doing?

SPEAKER_11 3:20:58

Trying to clear up my ears.

SPEAKER_18 3:21:12

Walter Matho. Another guy whose wife left it. It looks like she left it a long time ago.

SPEAKER_16 3:21:21

What do you got? I got the brown sandwiches and the green sandwiches. Which one do you want? What's the green? Cheese a very new cheese or very old green. I'll take the brown.

SPEAKER_18 3:21:34

Jack Lemon and Walter Mappa. We try to enjoy all possible delights of a shared bachelor apartment. They're together. Bringing to all America the laughter of Nickel Simon's Broadway Smash Tim. This is really nice.

SPEAKER_17 3:21:50

You had your chance to talk last night. I expect you to come upstairs. You want to live here. I don't want to see you. I don't want to hear you. I don't want to smell you cooking. Now finally removed that spaghetti from my poker. It's not spaghetti. It's linguini. Now it's garbage. Now listen, why don't you just take a tranquilizer?

SPEAKER_03 3:22:19

Go to your own. Welcome back to Boom. I'm Chip Chapman with Tom Robinson, and let's take a look at the bestsellers in 1968 or March. Your echo, your boom echo year, if you were born in uh 1950.

SPEAKER_41 3:22:33

These are the books, the books we were reading.

SPEAKER_03 3:22:36

These are the books. And I actually remember some of these books. I didn't read them. I think I read one of them later on. But I must preface why why didn't you read Detroit Best Seller because you were 17 years old?

SPEAKER_42 3:22:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 3:22:54

Because I was in high school and I was in World Lit and I was a straight A English student. And I was reading Tolkien and Gojeski. And this goes on and on and on. And after you read those books, you really don't want to go home and read, excuse me, Myra Breckinridge?

SPEAKER_41 3:23:15

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 3:23:17

So rest my case.

SPEAKER_41 3:23:19

Well, what was on the shelf? What were we uh buying in those days?

SPEAKER_03 3:23:23

Okay, the aforementioned Myra Breckinridge by Gore Videll, a very controversial uh writer, a satirical novel that was among the top-selling fiction works of the spring. March was vanished by Fletcher Nebble, a political thriller that took over the number one position on March 31st. Arthur Haley's book, Airport. Ah yes. Which became a huge movie. Yep. And a very good movie, actually, in 1970.

SPEAKER_41 3:23:54

Yeah, I remember that. That was uh that was uh an astonishing film to see in the theater, too, uh, because it was so so well done.

SPEAKER_03 3:24:04

Now The Naked Ape by Denism Morris was a major hit in March. It's a zoological study of human behavior.

SPEAKER_41 3:24:15

Interesting. Kind of like Planet of the Apes, but the real deal, right? Yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 3:24:23

The nonfiction list had a couple of interesting uh books. One was called The Double Helix by James Watson. It's a personal account of the discovery of DNA structure. That was very popular and discussed much in the March March of 1968. Oddly enough, you wouldn't think that would be a big uh water cooler topic, but I guess it was.

SPEAKER_41 3:24:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's uh I would say in this in this uh this era, this time that we're living in, uh there was there was actually a lot of popular nonfiction books that were really thought-provoking. Uh a lot of interesting pieces that uh that came out back in those days. Do you remember um a nonfiction uh book that came out called Black Alike Me? Do you remember that book? It's uh it's a book, a true tale, uh who uh in in the early sixties, a gentleman who is white who decides to dye his his own skin dark uh to go into the south. He goes into the south and he recounts his his experiences as a uh a a person of color. Uh so he had you know again changed the color of his skin intentionally to see what would happen as an experiment. And he writes a book about it. And so in the 60s, that was something, I believe it was the the the mid to late sixties when that became a very popular bestseller because of the fact that he suddenly was uh was telling people the truth about his perspective as a white person, understanding what it's like to be someone of color. And uh what a spelling.

SPEAKER_03 3:26:00

Oddly enough, uh my next topic here, next book to talk about, was written by Eldridge Cleaver. He was a black activist. The book was called Soul on Ice. Um influential collection of essays on race and the American experience. Very big book.

SPEAKER_41 3:26:21

Yeah, you know, I remember Eldridge Cleaver quite clearly, the the the just the idea that he was, of course, in the in the vernacular of the time, no doubt.

SPEAKER_03 3:26:30

Now, when I was researching this this year and mar and and month, I was astonished, this next book that I found out about it. It was released on March 28th, and I never even knew this book existed. I never heard of it in my life to this point. It's called The Colonel's Son by Robert Markham. Well, the reason I don't know about it is because this is the first James Bond novel published by somebody else other than Ian Fleming who had died. Okay, okay, released on March 28, 1968.

SPEAKER_41 3:27:11

Um it was never turned into a movie or anything like that as far as interesting. Huh.

SPEAKER_03 3:27:19

No. Of course, I don't think any any of there have been other Bond books.

SPEAKER_41 3:27:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:27:24

I've read a couple of them. They're all right, they're not bad. Yep. But I don't even think they were made into a not adopted into a film.

SPEAKER_41 3:27:32

Yeah, no, it's it's uh interesting. Again, you know, you think about how successful uh Ian Fleming was with his franchise of of James Bond. And you know, naturally it's kind of like that same idea. You think about uh Sir Conan Doyle and his creation of Sherlock Holmes. How many times has that character been recreated in uh in film, in in uh in books? I mean, and and all kinds of aspects. And I think that's gonna be the same thing for Ian Fleming's character, uh James Bond. I think that'll continue to be the case as time goes on, you know, no doubt. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 3:28:06

Absolutely very cool. Well man Well, Tom, guess what? This that is our show, and I in fact, uh this has got to be a record. Yeah. Well uh I gotta thank everybody who has taken the time to follow along with us today because this is a long podcast, but we had a lot of a lot of things to cover. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot of things. And I hope you found it rewarding.

SPEAKER_41 3:28:31

There's an enormous amount of things uh that we need to talk about as time goes on. I think boom, as a as as as we go with with the podcast, uh, there is just uh well, there's there's so many things about our generation that that either have been forgotten or are just not really spoken of much. And you know, no offense to people who have come since then, because you know, obviously uh lots of people have been born since then. But uh if you find any of this fascinating, we'd love to hear from you. If you're not of the the generation itself, but you still like listening to what we have to say, we want to hear from you as well. Uh of course we're we're we're we're boomers, we admit it. We're we are boom, but at the same time, uh we'd like to know if this is something that you want to hear more about.

SPEAKER_03 3:29:19

We are or we are.

SPEAKER_41 3:29:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 3:29:22

All right, buddy. We'll catch you next time around. And the next boom we are going to be doing is going to be I think it's going to be May. Because I have some personal obligations that I have to deal with in April, and I don't know if we'll get this next one done in time. All right, so May? Um yeah, I think May. We'll do we'll do uh May of 1963, and its 18th year echo is 1981.

SPEAKER_41 3:29:51

Ooh, that'll be cool. I think we'll have some fun with that, no doubt about it. Yeah, well. And that was that was one of the the I think it was the first full year I could say that I was actually on the air continually. So 81? 81. Yep. Well, okay then. So uh once again, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to this podcast. There is so much more yet to come. And if you have ideas and suggestions, we always want to hear about it. Uh please visit uh Boom, the podcast Facebook page. Until we get our own website, uh please visit our Facebook page and let us know what you think.

SPEAKER_43 3:30:28

Thanks, everybody. Love you all.

SPEAKER_41 3:30:30

Thanks, Chip, and uh and we're we'll be back together again in the near future.

SPEAKER_03 3:30:35

All right, talk to you later.

SPEAKER_41 3:30:36

Thanks for listening.