The Delver's Inn Episode 5

Season 1 is upon us! Find out the new tips and tricks for gearing in delves, as well as new lore speculation from the additional content.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:04

Aldiel Shalah.

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Anu Bellore Delana.

SPEAKER_04 0:09

Keep your eyes on the horizon. Gather at the inn. It's safe there.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Our hospitality is yours.

SPEAKER_04 0:17

All guests are welcome here.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Hello and welcome to the Delvers Inn. I'm Sinaila. And I'm Zumanaki. And tonight we have returned after skipping a week due to illness. I know last episode we talked a little bit about the sickness descending upon our household, but then last week it really took us out.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

We were everybody got it.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

Everybody got it and got it bad. So we took a week off because we couldn't really talk anyway. So there would be nothing to be heard. But last week was week one of season one for Delves, but also for, you know, all of the all of the things in World of Warcraft. So now we are on week two, but today we're going to go a little bit over the start of the new season and some other lore things that have popped up since since the season started. Zumo, do you want to give us a little rundown of what we can expect from the new season as far as delves and gearing goes?

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Sure. So with with season one opening last week, we were able to do tier eight through 11 delves. I know I wasn't doing 11s, feeling terrible, just kind of doing the bare minimum coasting through at eight to get that nice heroic piece out of my map and out of my vault on Tuesday.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

You didn't even want to go up to tier 9 with me. I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

I was it was bad, dude. We have not had a good time, but got all eight slots unlocked in the vault. Got some nice heroic pants.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

I got shoulders.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Congrats. I was I was upset from my map loot because I was given an offhand. I remember once upon a time really liking one hands and offhands on my warlock. Remember back in Burning Crusade, there was this awesome like purple, dark pink, nightmare, like dragon sword that you could get from uh mana tombs, maybe. And I loved that thing. And at some point I just I latched onto the two-hander and never kind of went back. So yeah, I wasn't super pleased with my offhand, but at least Astalore came through with a nice one-handed champion weapon to go with my heroic offhand. So that was very congenes of him.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Good old Astalor. He's definitely not shady at all. Um I did get a trinket from my map. And I I got my map on the first delve I did of the week. And so then my second one, I I got that trinket. But yeah, one thing I haven't done yet, because I opened, you know, I we did our our tiers, we got, you know, the the loot from the map, all that good stuff. Opened our great vault. I haven't catalyzed it yet. And I don't know if that's just because Do we have shards yet?

SPEAKER_00 3:42

I haven't even looked.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

I got a shard.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Sorry, is that even the right word?

SPEAKER_02 3:49

The oh spark?

SPEAKER_00 3:51

I don't know. I don't I don't that's how little I've looked into whatever the catalyst uses.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Well, so the I think the reason I'm not jumping on the catalyst is just because my main is a hunter and I'm just so not excited about the tier appearance for the hunters.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Oh, look, there we go. Dawnlight Mana Flux. I do have one of those.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not like jumping on it like, oh man, I gotta change the appearance of my tear gear immediately because it's just so cool looking.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Yeah, my pant my pants actually were tear. So that's why look into it. Were your shoulders tear as well?

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Or were they just no, they were the the hairnier appearance.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

But I I didn't like ru I I'm actually really digging the the hair appearances for for the gear, along with my little mushroom hat that I got from the Delve store in The War Within. It goes very nicely for my my my new mushroom life. But yeah, I eventually I will do all the tier appearance, but I'm not excited about it because the o the only in my opinion hunter tier appearance that is even acceptable is the purple, but the rest of it is just and I know I'm not alone. Hunter hunter sets are either you know very like kind of elvish ranger coated, or they're just bones and teeth. And when we got the bones and teeth version, which I feel like was a step down from the last bones and teeth version we got.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

It looks pretty good on my orc hunter.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

It would look good on an orc. But the uh the the helmet reminds me of that Gator Pokemon.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

I want to say Coco Drill, but I don't think that's right.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Yeah, it wasn't in the original hundred 150, so I don't know the name. I'm a OG Pokemon kind of gal, but I know the I know by sight some of the newer ones. So that's very exciting. The bountifuls are now up, right, with the advent of the new season.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yeah, yeah. Cash in your bountiful keys for some champion gear every time. Nice way to level up quickly. It seems like getting the keys are a lot less painful than they were in the last expansion. Previously, I know I'd talked about kind of falling off after a few weeks or even straight from the get-go once we got into seasons two and three, was not being too concerned about trying to put those shards together, you know, because ultimately we're looking for hero track gear, and the best those coffer keys can give you is champion. But yeah, I I feel like I got all 600 of my key shards just within like half an hour last Tuesday. Um, I didn't even get through my whole circle of like activities I wanted to wanted to do, and I was already at max.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Yeah, and it and they do helpfully coalesce into actual keys just by stepping into the delve. You don't have to physically put them together or amalgarize them or whatever it is that is supposed to be imitated by clicking a button.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Yeah, I feel like I remember seeing from the beta that originally you'd have to go to the go to the the delvers hall in order to put those together.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Um, glad.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Yeah, I'm glad that they they moved back away from that. I think one of the rewards along your journey was a toy that would let you put them together anywhere. But yeah, I'm glad they walked that back and they just instantly assemble whenever you go into a delve.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the the pieces are currency, right? So they're not taking up space in your bags.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Right. Yep. They go straight into your currency tab. And then if you just mouse over it, it tells you very easily like how many you have, what your weekly maximum is.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

And then as before, the bountiful delves will show up on the map. If you zoom out to see all the zones of the new expansion, it'll it'll show you where the bountiful delves are on the zoomed out map, as well as being indicated by the the slightly more glowy version of the delve icon on the zoomed-in map. And then additionally, if you stop at the delvers headquarters, Valera has a little book that lists out the bountiful delves for the day and helpfully removes the ones you've already done. So if you stop by and check in with Valera, you can see which bountiful delves you have yet to do that day.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Oh, neat. I yeah, I knew that the book showed you which ones were up for the day. I didn't realize that it was a dynamic list.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Yes. Because when I did one and came back, I only had three delves listed instead of the four.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Cool. I think I'll just keep looking at the map. That is a neat touch. I was also nicely surprised when we went to the Delvers Hall that the vendors that were there had, you know, some free samples waiting for us.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

Yes, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

I feel like I remember in seasons of the war within at the beginning of the season getting like a free toy or cosmetic appearance. I remember being disappointed when I didn't get that same thing on all of my alts that I tried running through there. But it was nice to get the free keys as well off of the other vendor. Just here's a straight 200 shards that instantly coalesce into two extra keys that weren't counted against your your weekly limit there to get started off with a nice you know, array of champion gear on offer.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Don't forget your little memory crystals that you can drop around the delve. So remember when we talked about like the gravestones being there and that being kind of like Dark Souls-ish?

SPEAKER_00 10:19

And still haven't gone downstairs in the Delverse Hall to look at the gravestones that you can purchase.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Yes. But in addition to the gravestones, you can place these little memory crystals. And we had talked about, oh, like, wouldn't it be cool if you could write messages to people? Well, you can't write messages, a la Dark Souls and Elder Scrolls or whatever it's called. Elder Elder Elden Ring. That's the one. That's the one. Clearly, I'm not a Dark Souls player, but you can purchase these little memory crystals, which you can leave in strategic areas, and they're from different characters. So they'll have the a voice clip from one of from a previous character, and some of them are kind of like you could be leaving hints. Like, I know there's one that says too easy, so I don't I don't really know, like it'll be interesting to see in what way these can be utilized. Right now, I just grabbed the Sylvanus one and I've just been putting Sylvanus crystals everywhere because why not? But yeah, I it's interesting to see if that can really be utilized in the same way that like multiplayer messages have in other games.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah, you're talking about like in Dark Souls where people would leave messages showing you where like secret doors would be that you can attack to get to open, or yeah, and I I don't really know the full functionality of the memory crystals because I'm just you know faffing around with them, but what are they sold for? Like what's the currency you're using to purchase them?

SPEAKER_02 12:01

Didn't know. Is it is it moral? I don't think so. I don't remember it being something that I'm like, ooh, I need to save I think it might just be gold. I think you can buy them for gold. Oh, that's nice. Because otherwise I'd be like, ooh, I have to save these for my housing decor.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Yeah, I was kind of surprised that you bought a bunch of Sylvanas ones if they were for Marl or something. Even though they did reduce the they did reduce the costs for the cosmetics.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

They did, yes. And the that's good. Because I hey it neat you need a lot of Marl to decorate this inn and keep it running, right? Yeah, I'm glad that's not on my plate. Well, you could always donate to the cause.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

I don't think I can donate Marl.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

No, but you can donate gold that I can use to buy mats to like make things. But we have I've been decorating the inn. It's not quite open for overnight visitors yet, but our main tavern area and Delver's Bar is is nicely decorated, and I I was very inspired. You can probably tell I was heavily inspired by the Arcana tavern. But I have a little like raised up book nook that we have a ladder to now, and that's where we're sitting today. And I uh that was a little bit from the from the Arcana, but yeah, it's it's our own, it's got little like nods to different delves in it, but all of that requires a great deal of decor purchases.

SPEAKER_04 13:49

I'm just saying we'll get there.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

I enjoy it though, it's fun, and yeah, I'm loving how much great stuff is dropping from quests and delves. Like, I I'm I'm actually kind of a little bit frustrated with myself that I bought so much decor so early on because I've been getting some really good stuff from the delves. And I'm like, oh man, I shouldn't have bought that because I just got another one from the delve.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

It is. I I wasn't expecting how excited I'd be whenever I did like a quest and saw a decor reward going into this because you know, back in the war within they introduced housing kind of at the tail end, and so there were some things that you could get from like achievements or quest lines from previous expansions, but there wasn't like a ton of it that you could go back and and kind of grind up. But then, you know, you do a quest and you get a reward like when you're leveling through the storyline, but really you're just doing it for the storyline, or at least I was, because you know, that reward it's gonna be better than what you have, but it's gonna be very incremental, and you're gonna replace it like half a zone down the road at best. So it's very non-permanent what you're getting, and you can really feel that versus like you know, getting some of these heroic gear from Delves, like I know that's gonna last me throughout, you know, the season and well into the next one at least. So, you know, a good several months. But then instead seeing like a piece of decoration that I can go put in my house, like that's not just gonna last me half a zone or even like one season. Like, if that's a piece of decoration that I really like, that's gonna last me forever.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Did you get the pie from the new quest line?

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Uh yes. I was confused why it was pie though.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

I don't care. I'm so excited. I have I'm setting up a buffet table. So like between like crafting like cooking items to like put out like the roast and all this stuff, I'm like, oh now I have a dessert to put out. So I got to put out the pie. I was very excited.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Yeah, and you'll have that dessert forever. Yes, right, and until you eat it. You know, historically, one of my favorite things to collect has been mounts. Like, I have I have a problem. If it's a mount, I need it, and I know that I'll never use it just because like I have way too many. You know, even if I go through and try to be like, okay, these aren't really my favorite, you know, I'm just gonna lump in a ton of them into that summon random mount, summon random favorite mount button that they gave us. And I'm like never gonna see that again, probably. But like if it's a piece of decor, like it can be buried under a thousand other pieces of decor in my house, but it's still gonna be visible there on the shelf. Like every time I walk past that. I wasn't ready for like how impactful getting decor as a reward was going to be. I think I I think it's a really nice surprise.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Well, you you did talk a bit about the storyline of the questing, but now that we are in week two of season one, we now have the story mode available for the raid. Which it felt really weird that the story mode wasn't available week one. Wouldn't you agree?

SPEAKER_00 17:21

I I'm not sure if it feel felt weird, but I was disappointed. I was disappointed that I had to wait an entire week to try to do that because like it feels a lot better to you're only doing the last boss, right? So you're not getting the entire context, you're not getting the entire feeling of like what's going on through this raid. But even if you're just getting that one little slice, it still feels a lot better to at least have that much context going into watching the end cinematic and seeing like the next piece of that story that's being told through the raid, versus just looking it up on WoWhead or YouTube and watching that video and not having any idea like what was going on up to that point. And it's so hard not to be spoiled.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Like are we gonna are we gonna spoil today? Are we gonna talk about it?

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Well, we always spoil stuff. Like if you don't if you don't want to be spoiled, I don't know. Don't tune in. Oh yeah, just threw up. It's not even the right one though.

SPEAKER_04 18:24

No, I know.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

This would be a blue bot spoiler. So yeah, I was I was disappointed to see that we would have to wait an entire week after the raid was out and these cutscenes would be up live on the internet. It wasn't that hard not to be spoiled. I think I only came across maybe two like suggested videos in my YouTube feed. Like the algorithm was helping me out a little bit, giving me lots of suggestions for math videos to watch instead of World of Warcraft videos to watch. So that was helpful. Thanks, YouTube. But still, it was just it's kind of a pain and disappointing to know that like I had I'd need to kind of guard myself and bury my head a little bit in the sand to not be spoiled for that week.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

I almost got more Project Hail Mary spoilers than I did World of Warcraft.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

And I I don't really understand what the point is. Like when I saw that it wouldn't be coming out until week two, I was like, okay, I guess that makes sense. You know, we're gonna get a runed heroic crest out of this. That's gonna be some nice free crafted gear. They don't want to hand that out to people that like aren't doing the raids or aren't doing well sorry, aren't doing the raids, period. They don't just want to hand that out to everybody, like let the raiders get their like power bump that they've earned a week ahead of everybody else. But then we didn't even get that. Like we the reward was the cloak from the the transmog set, the void-themed like transmog set that everybody gets at not even a good item level. So like the reward wasn't powerful, it wasn't good. I I d still don't understand like what the point of delaying that a week was. I really don't get it.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Yeah. But when it was revealed to us through the proper channels, and not on YouTube. How about that Illyria Raid Boss? So now we've got two out of three Windrunner sisters having been a raid boss. What do you think? When's Varissa's turn?

SPEAKER_00 20:54

I I don't think she's gonna get a turn.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

No, I mean she was there was a an interesting tension moment in the the new quest line when they were bringing the Silver Covenant back to Silver Moon to help defend it. And so, you know, there was a like a tense moment, but I mean if if Sylvanas can work towards making amends for you know killing a committing genocide, let's be real. I mean, we can we can make steps towards repairing the past of the purge of Daleron. Which also, correct me if I'm wrong, was a lot attributed to Jaina as well, and nobody's you know barring Jaina from Silver Moon.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Yeah, I I forgot that Varisa was there and involved with that, honestly. Were you there for the purging of Dalaran?

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Like my character or like you as a human being, were you playing?

SPEAKER_00 22:00

World of Warcraft like live when the purging of Dalaran happened in game.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

No.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Okay. I couldn't remember exactly when that happened. Yeah, that's that's what I remember from that is kind of sneaking around Dalaran, trying to save Sunreaver mages and avoid Jaina and her two giant water elementals that she had with her because she'd just wipe you out like if you aggroed her. I don't remember Varisa being there at all. Uh I don't know if she was there in-game, but she didn't make a lasting like impact on my mind.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

But the Sun Reavers remember, and that's what's important, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

Well, right, and the Silver Covenant was there, like, right? Because you had Dalaran, and on the one side you had the Horde Camp with the Sun Reavers, and the other side you had the Alliance camp with the Silver Covenant.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Which, by the way, why is the Silver Covenant riding around on a bunch of Shadowlands mounts?

SPEAKER_00 23:01

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

I because the color matches.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Yeah, that jumped out and struck me as weird for about a second, and then I just let it go.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

I just because I have that mount and I use it pretty frequently because it sometimes like works well with my aesthetic, so I get it, but it's a silverin' dreamer, so sometimes I'll use it for the the silverin' part of it, right? Like I don't know. I guess somebody got something out of Shadowlands if like they got enough amounts to for their entire silver covenant calibralry. But yeah, I thought that was really interesting. What the other part of that questline that I I found really interesting was the discourse with the night elves. Because they were like, Oh, yeah, you know, we'll we'll come help. Chandress is being reasonable, Chandress Feather Moon. And she's like, Yeah, we'll come help, we get it, like it's important. It wasn't like excessively reluctant. Go wake up some trees and we'll come help. And then she was giving Lothamar a lecture on, like, okay, I think after this, you really need to seriously consider just letting the sun well go because obviously it's been a problem for several times now.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

She's not wrong, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:30

However, I think that's a little bit hypocritical coming from her when how many world trees have they planted? How many world trees have been like a major problem? And nobody's telling them to stop planting world trees. So I'm just saying just two.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

It's if at least they stopped putting wells of eternity underneath them.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

That's okay.

unknown 24:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

El Ilidan got jailed for making a new one of those underneath Nordrasil in Hijal, and that seems like being in prison for 10,000 years discouraged anybody else from trying to do the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

I'm just saying if the world trees are clearly so important to them that they keep planting them, even though they are like a very serious source of power. It's a little bit disingenuous to start lecturing the blood elves on their sun well.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Do you do you think the heronier want them to stop planting world trees? Or are they on team plant all the trees?

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Actually, they don't care as long as there's roots. They don't really care if a tree is there as long as there's roots.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

So it's kind of hard to have one without the other.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

I'm just well we would say that Teldrasil is no more, but they still got roots down there.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

So yeah, but they keep catching on fire.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Yeah. But they still have Nordrosil roots?

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Yeah, sure. Yeah, like Nordrasil's fine.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

I just I I don't know. They I don't think they actually care too much what's happening up there. I mean, I know they're coming out more and and and interacting more with the world.

SPEAKER_04 26:07

But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Yeah, Tel Teldrasil had a really rough history. But Amedracil seems like it's doing alright, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:18

So far so good.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

I mean, the only trouble that caused was the maniac dragon with the fire axe wanting to chop it down and turn it into firewood, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:28

Well, yeah, but he's just trying to piss off the titans.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Right. But you know, in in the the whole scheme of things, that's not too bad.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

But it's potentially a source of corruption, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Like, yeah, bad things happen to Shalladrasil.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

And you know, if if we're like, oh well, you can't have this big source of power because the void might corrupt it, I feel like you could just as easily say that about the world trees.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Yeah, and it she also brought up, you know, the night elves surviving the loss of their immortality as kind of a parallel that like the blood elves could survive the loss of their font of power, right? I thought that was a little strange. Because yeah, the night elves were immortal, but it almost to me it feels like they weren't immortal for that long. Like from a human standpoint, 10,000 years is a long, long time. Right? Like we're talking a significant portion of the period that we've had recorded history of our of any civilization. But like an in elf timelines, 10,000 years isn't that long, is it? Like Anastarian lived to be like over 2,000, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Well yeah, because they said that he ruled from the Amani Troll Wars until the the Lich King came.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Right, until Warcraft III. Yeah, so that's like if if a normal elf lifespan is let's call it 2,000 years, you know, ten thousand years doesn't really look that long through that spectrum. Like, yeah, if a if a human lived to be five hundred, like that's a long time. But that's not like the timelines that I think of when I'm talking about immortal. Like I feel like people like to bring up the idea of, oh, well, if humans didn't die, would they really be human anymore? They just turn into something else. I feel like if you lived five lifetimes, you wouldn't really get to that kind of that that kind of issue yet. Like I still feel like just living five lifetimes, you wouldn't sh shrug off your humanity and become something else by that point.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

I mean, you could go the Malfurian method and just sleep through a lot of it.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

It did. Well, that's the weird thing, too. Like Taronda, Malfurian, even Chandris, like they have both been alive longer than the elves have been immortal. Right? Which, like, if a race was given immortality at some point, like yeah, you'd have members that have been alive longer than that race has had immortality. But again, I feel like that just points to the fact that they weren't really immortal for that long. Like, if your life span's 2,000 years, middle age is like a thousand, so that's like 10 generations. I mean, again, like from a human point of view, ten generations is a long time.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

But and I totally get like wanting that for your children. Like if you were given this gift of immortality and you're like, oh great, my kids are never gonna die. Like that sounds awesome, and then that's taken away, and so now you feel like something's taken away from future generations. I could see that, like, that's why we you know try to be environmentally responsible, right? Because we're not gonna live on, but we want the planet to live on for our kids, right? So, like, I get that in the in like the wanting to keep the immortality, but yeah, it does seem weird that they were so stuck on it when it didn't seem like it made that much of an impact to their society.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Yeah. And that all of them like existed before elves being immortal was a thing. Like, all of them can remember a time when the elves were still mortal. And like, compared to humans, elves live very long lives anyway. But yeah, I don't know. That just seemed that seemed like a weird comparison to being like, well, we lost our immortality, so we were fine. Your people will be fine too. It's like you weren't really immortal for that long.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

So that was like the new quest line. I did note in the achievement that it looks like the next quest line we're gonna get is called the dark way, which is the name of the new delve that we're getting.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

I think it's I think it's the new the new achievement is the dark well, I think.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

I think it's interesting that if you like look at your map and bring up the quests to list the campaign chapters, like it's blank. But yeah, then if you go trolling through the achievements that have to do with completing that quest line, it it lists out that the name of that quest chapter is the Dark Well. I do like the Dark Way, though. I think that's that's 10 out of 10, like Pine Town.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

Naming convention.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Yeah, right. Cause because back in Legion, that Delve was a dungeon called the Arkway. And now it's been taken over by a bunch of shadow cultists, and now it's the Dark Way. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

Hey, I love Suramar. Like, that was my probably my favorite zone ever. Like, on like even still. So anything that sends us back to Suramar just like you know makes me happy. But I I did like that delve.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Done the dark way, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

They got like little, you know, they have the little lasers, but they're not at first. I was like, oh, I better not step in these circles because the lasers are gonna get me. They have little laser towers, but they're not really a big deal.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

No, they're more like tickle beams.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Yeah, tickle beams. And just skip on through. So yeah, that's a fun one.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

I was worried about that, Delph, because I didn't really love the dungeon. Um, you know, because it would make you go through the whole thing, and it had the doors that would be opened or closed, depending on the route, and you so you you had to kind of figure out which route you're going to take through it all. But the part I really didn't like about it was the final boss would shift you through time and teleport you back into a different part of the dungeon, and then you had to navigate your way back to where the boss was uh within a time limit. Um with these orbs that would stun, or yeah, the orbs would stun you, and I don't know. I just never really liked that. And I was really worried that they were going to do a callback to that, but they didn't, so I was happy to see that. That we didn't have to deal with that mechanic again in the Delph.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

I mean, I did really like the Nighthole, like the one and only time that I was a Raider. But yeah, I do remember that about the dungeons. And just, you know, dungeons when you're with a pickup group with a few other people, good chance they're less than helpful.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Well no, that's why we didn't do that very much. We did all the mythic plus with our main tank and from our guild, yeah. Yeah, and just got drug through that with them being the main DPS of the guild.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

Yes. So I like the de the dark way was fun. You told me I would hate the shiny lit up the gulf of memory.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

I thought you would. Or sorry. I hate it.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

Which one is that? It's not the Gulf of Memory. Which one is the one that's all like lit up with the mirrors?

SPEAKER_00 34:50

It's the one in Southern Eversong.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

Oh, it's a shadow enclave.

unknown 34:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Yep, when the guru is coming to get you. I actually really enjoyed it. Cause I I love puzzle games. And I just tickled pink whenever they put puzzles in my MMO. I know that's not everybody's like bag, so I like you know, it's not anything too extensive. We're not talking blueprints here. But I like when I'm when I'm doing something other than just like running up and smashing a bunch of mobs' faces. Something else to play with, something to do. I know they had kind of played around with that in dungeons before. Notably in Legion when we went to that party and we had to play guess who with the partygoers, and and people did not like that.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

No, it all got put in just like an add-on taking care of it for you.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Right. So I get why it doesn't work in dungeons. I get why it doesn't work in Mythic Plus. But Delves, like, come on, we got time. We could we could have put some puzzles in there, you know? Maybe optional puzzles in case people want to skip them because they really hate puzzles.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

But like, what if they replaced one of the you know, they have the rare spawn mobs that you can choose to engage with and they'll give you some type of boon, like the arcane construct gives you the rock'em sock'em robots gloves or the the pangolin with the roly-poly speedster. Yeah, or the banshee that will show up and like scream and fear everybody. Yeah, so what if instead of doing having a rare spawn like mob to fight, you could have a chance to have like a rare spawn puzzle activated. Um which I feel like they had that as well in in the war within. They had a couple puzzles like that, right? Like in the COBIS one, you'd have that corrupted fountain where you had to turn all of the black orbs golden, right? Or the one where you had to untangle all the lines.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

The precursor to Dell's the sniffin' with the niffin, had a lot more puzzles. They had like one that was a logic puzzle where you had you got all the clues and you kind of had to work out the logic. I love that stuff, man. Like, oh, every day I would do that. Like, give me a bunch of you know tasks to make it to the philosopher's stone at the end of the Hogwarts dungeon. Like, I love that stuff. So, yeah, I think that would be really cool if they put like you know, some optional puzzles in. And it's like I think we did talk about this, but in the in the Amani quest line, at the very beginning, when you're trying to make it through the tomb, and they just had like a short little puzzle to find the pieces to to put in the urns to move on, to break the curse, to move on into the tomb.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

You're talking about when you're down there with Eritor, and then immediately after that you do like the matching faces game.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

Yes. And so it was right before the matching faces when it's like, okay, you need the blood from the spider, and then this from that. And and you just had like it was very simple. Like, obviously, you kill the mob, then you put it in the urn. But that could be really fun in a delve where you have to like kill certain mobs and then put the items from certain mobs into certain places to move on. I think that could be a lot of fun. Very legends of the hidden temple.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

So you're asking for maybe more of an involved puzzle, like you know, if you want to consider the light mirrors in that delve, like a puzzle that that spans kind of the entire delve, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:37

Yes, and that's why I enjoyed it so much.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

So, what if instead of like giving you a boon, like the rare spawn mobs or the treasure chests that had the smaller self-contained puzzles in them? You know how in season three they introduced the portals that would like take you to almost an alternate win condition? Right, it would teleport you into the ethereal transit station, and you'd either fight like that big robot boss that shot out a bunch of arcane orbs, or you'd fight like the previous delve season bosses back to back. Right?

SPEAKER_01 39:13

The goblin king guy and the who was the season one delve boss?

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Zekvir. Yeah, the big bug. Yep. You'd fight those back to back, or you'd just fight like a ton of ethereals, or whatever, right? It so it it introduced this completely alternate side path, alternate win condition for the delf. What if they put in something like that, where okay, here's the main objective of the delf, and you can just go through and like do that like normal, but here's an alternate win condition for the delf that you know might be a little bit more involved, might ask you to solve like you're talking about some puzzles or riddles or challenges. But then if you're good at it and you figure it out quickly, like it could oh, you know, we're good at puzzles, performs like you know, more of a shortcut, like we'd get from that void portal.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

Oh I love escape rooms. If it like put you in an escape room and you had to like do all the little things to get out, that would be so much fun. I'm sorry, I just think that would be great, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:22

But then it would be optional so the people that don't want that can still do their delves like normal.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

I mean, even people who don't want to could probably look it up on Wowhead. Like, I want to go this way, but I want it to be easy, so I just look up the answers on WoWhead and like cruise through, versus like those of us who are like spoilers want to solve the puzzle.

SPEAKER_00 40:46

Yeah, could be neat.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

Yeah, nobody listens to us anyway, though.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

But I'd I'd be down to try it as long as they didn't have a bunch of terrible light glare around the entire circumference of my screen. I looked, there's no way to turn that off.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

Man.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

There used to be an option underneath graphics, they took that out. After they took it out, there used to be console commands that you could use to still turn it off. I couldn't find any console commands that still worked. Like I spent a long time trying to figure out how to just turn off that outer screen.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

Sounds like somebody needs to make an add-on.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

I I just can't believe that you can't turn it off. Like, I don't need my entire screen to glow yellow around the edges to let me know that I'm standing in something bad.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

Yeah, I don't so I don't mind around the edges. I don't even mind if it's on the floor. What I mind is when Bran like set off a big light bomb and I couldn't actually see the fight. Like I couldn't see the mobs I was trying to target and I couldn't see what was happening.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

Right, and that didn't bother me at all.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

Oh so I don't need to see to play my character, I just push buttons.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

I I don't know. I just would orient my camera so that it wasn't in the middle of my face. Um but you know, if it's all around the edge of my screen, it doesn't matter which way I turn or what I look at, like I have no way to make that go away.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

But it's not obscuring anything important, it just bothers you.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

Yeah, it just it hurts.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Like it it is uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

I yeah, I just I I wish that I could turn it off. Um I've done it a few more times and it seems like it's bothering me less as I keep going through it, but I I just wish I didn't have to get accustomed to it.

SPEAKER_02 42:36

Hot tip for a different delve, because this was really I was really slamming my face up against the wall on this one until you gave me the hot tip that you figured out the hard way. The Gulf of Memory Delve, when you got your little flower T-Rexes throwing off spores, and you gotta take them down to complete the delve, just throw their spores back at them, just throw them back, and then it's not a problem.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Right. You do it once and it breaks their little shield that makes them take half damage. But then after that, if you just keep chucking the spores back at them, just right-click on those spores as soon as they come down, they do a lot of damage. Like if you just ignore the mob and click all the spores, like you'll kill them really fast.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Yeah, so there's your hot delve tip for the week. So, what else is going on? So we had the newer quest line that was kind of rallying the elves to the cause, but before that we had kind of a a Terallion Elyria interlude kind of storyline leading up to the raid, right? And you had an opinion about the state of Terallion and Elyria's relationship. You wanna you wanna Go into that a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 44:01

I was just I was confused, right? So I know you didn't read the the Blood Ties book, but at the very end of that novel, after the Big Bad is defeated, and Erator and Teralion and Allyria are all kind of talking about the aftermath, and you know how they have to figure this out if they can be a family and live together and like whatever. Like Toralion still wants to try. He still wants to be with her, he still wants them to get married, because the big bad interrupted their wedding, which was super rude, and almost a trope at this point. Like it happened to Thrall and Agra, it happened to Lorthamar and Thalysera, Shrek, and Fiona. Yeah, and that Space Ranger lady from Racket Ralph.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

But I I was specifically talking about in World of Warcraft. We have an example of like three different couples who tried to have a wedding and like it got interrupted by big bats. Like it's it's a trope just within the game, I feel like. Let alone anything outside of it. So Torellian still wanted to try, and Elyria was basically just like, no, we we can't coexist. Like we we tried to overcome like these powers that we've adopted and taken inside of ourselves, and light and void just cannot live together. And so she like tells him no and walks off, and then Erator like makes a plea to her, you know, to stay and try to make it work and be a family. And it's like she couldn't tell him no. So instead she just disappeared, and I was like, oh my gosh. Like your kid is begging you to stay and like not abandon them again when you abandon them as a baby, and then like didn't come back until they're a grown a grown man, half man, adult, adult, a grown-up adult and they're begging you not to like abandon them again.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

And it's oh the romanticy, sorry, going back, the romanticy term for men of the Fae who are not human, but like Elvin or Fairy is male, so they'll say, Oh, you know, he was a a very attractive male. He was male splaining.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:56

Just I mean Erator grew up into a full grown male. If you wanna if you want to use the romantic term for it.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

Of his species, whatever that is.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

Yes. I derailed you so bad. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

No, that's fine. So he's he's bet he's begging her not to leave. And I I listened to the audiobook, right? I didn't read the book, but it was like she couldn't bear to tell him no, and I'm like, oh thank goodness she's gonna stay. It's like so she didn't, and she just disappeared instead. And I I couldn't believe that. But anyway, she comes back, and now we're we're talking.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

I can't believe that someone might not have the social skills to finish that conversation.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

Just I you know both of both of our kids have me wrapped around their finger, right? Like I can't hardly tell them no for anything. I just can't imagine as a parent being in that situation being and being like, I can't tell you no, so I'm just going to disappear without a word. Like, I I can't put myself in that situation. It doesn't track for me, which I guess is a theme. Because then back in game, like last week with the new, hey, we're leading up or two weeks ago, sorry, leading up to the the raid quests, you know, Elyria's come back and she's talked to Terallion, and they're talking about him losing himself to the light, and she's like, Eric Erator can't lose his father, and I can't lose my love. And so I was just very confused by that. It's like you you left again, like sad bad left. Like he wanted to marry you, and you just noped off, but he's he's still your love. And I think I was I was saying all this to you, and you're like, yeah, it's it's complicated, and I just guess I fundamentally do not understand something that complicated.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

I kind of took that to mean like, you know, even if we aren't together, I still want you to be okay. Like, I I don't want you to lose yourself, like, even if we're not in a relationship, I don't want you to sub like fall to your addiction and be unhealthy.

SPEAKER_00 49:29

Yeah, she's not saying I I don't want you as a decent human being who I like respect and have some history together. She called she she said, I can't lose my love.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Like that that's possessive, right?

SPEAKER_02 49:47

Yeah, but I I also felt like between the two of them there was such like a I don't know what we want to call it, like powerist, like classist dynamic there where like he's he said, I can't, you know, I can't give up on the light, I can't lose the light. And I think there's definitely an element there of morality there because he feels like, well, you know, if he submits fully to the light and gives himself to the light, even if the light drives him to do maybe not moral things, he believes that the light itself is moral versus when she utilizes the void, the void is morally bad. So therefore, you know, like her use of that power is morally wrong when really I think what we've been learning this expansion and what they're trying to drive home is the power is neutral. Like it can be used for good or for ill. But with his whole, like with him being grounded in this belief that the light is good no matter what, makes him susceptible to kind of being overtaken by it. And he can't turn his back on it, he can't limit himself with it because he can't shake that belief that it is inherently good. And I think that's a you know very interesting. And so she's saying, like, I need you to not to to kind of wake up to this and realize that it's just a power, and he can't because he has already assigned that moral value to it.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

Well, right, and that's I can see how that would be very hard for him based on the life he he started out on, right? Like he was an orphan, he was raised in the church, he expected to just live his entire life, basically being a monk, like in an abbey, in the service of of the light, just worshiping it and chanting and taking care of the sick and poor and like blah blah blah married to God kind of thing. And then war happened and kind of forced him out of that and put a sword in his hand and like very much derailed him off of that path. I can I can see like not being able to view you know your faith through through that kind of lens.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

Right, because at that point, like you know, once you've killed in the name of this power, you have ended lives. So then if you had to admit that this power was not the moral value you had assigned to it, then you had to also admit that you have done harm.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

Yeah, I I'm not sure I agree with your your statement that like they're just powers, they're neutral. Like that that's definitely not true of the void.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

It's not just a neutral power that exists and people can draw on, like, it is actively trying to corrupt and bend the will of anybody who uses it. Like Illeria constantly has to fight against the void, against its whispers and against like what it is trying to draw her into and make her do. It definitely doesn't come off as neutral to me.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

Well, but then like some of Zalatath's motives are kind of in question because like she pitted herself against other agents of the void. So was she trying to further the void's goals or her own?

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Was it just like I'm I'm not I'm not trying to say that the void has goals, but that it's just not a neutral force, like that it will have an effect on anybody who uses it. Yeah, not not saying that like the magic that is the void is sentient and has a will or a desire, but you know, that that would go into like where those voices come from, like what are the voices that everybody using the void is hearing.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Yeah, because I kind of think of the void as just like entropy.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

Yeah, so like the voices don't have to be some specific entity that's calling through the void, or like the the void itself doesn't have to be some like sentient power, right? Like they could just be like your own voice, your your own ego, like twisted and talking to you, right? Like so it doesn't have to be some sentient thing with a will of its own. I'm just saying that it's not neutral. Um it is it isn't just a power that exists in the vacuum, like it is going to have an effect, and I think that's true of the light as well. Whether it's it's moral or not, I think it's also not fair to describe it as neutral. I think it has an effect on people. You know, I I think Eritor made a remark about you know it inspiring people to kind of like throw their lives away, right? Like stand up and be the big hero and make the big sacrifice to save the day. Like, would all of these champions of the light be as willing to do this if they weren't empowered by the light? Or does that kind of yearning for for self-sacrifice come from the light itself having an effect on them? Like, do these forces, like not saying that they're sentient or they have a will, but do they have that sort of effect on whoever uses them?

SPEAKER_02 55:50

Speaking of forces and power, as we've been doing our prey leveling up, because prey the prey system has its own renown, can't hit nightmare until you hit the appropriate renown level, which unless you leveled up really quickly and reached max level very quickly in the first week, I actually wasn't able to hit the full renown level. So I haven't done all the quests yet associated with prey. But I've have you gotten to the nightmare level yet?

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Yep. I was a I think I was a week behind as far as you could be, you know, if you maxed it out every week, including with early access, but I was able to unlock Nightmare Prey this week.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

So with the associated quest lines, or last week, sorry. I at least as far as I've gotten, I've been noticing that the power we've been collecting for Astalon, he is putting to purpose. It seems a little bit like it might be dangerous power that we're collecting for him, right? And then I also can't help but notice, you know, we've got the like red flamey things going on with our prey power that we're giving to Astalon. And Valera's power looks very similar with the red flamey stuff going on. So what is this like suffering power that we're collecting for Astalon? And why does Valera also seem to be using it? Do you have any thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Astalore.

SPEAKER_02 57:31

Astalore. What did I say? Astalon.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't pick up on the similarities with Valera's kind of magic that she's using, but when you pointed it out, like they're definitely there. And when you said that, that was very interesting to me. I was I was also interested in like where Astalore is going with this. Because yeah, it doesn't seem like it's great. I think we talked about that on previous episodes. Not shady at all.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

Totally legit above board.

SPEAKER_00 58:04

We're benefiting off of the suffering of others, right? Like this anguish magic generating torment and fear and suffering in our targets, um, and harvesting that to try to fuel as a power source. And yeah, the the people that are being blessed or imbued with trinkets that have been enchanted with this magic aren't having the best of times, right? It's inspiring a lot of aggression, a lot of like almost gollum, schmeagless, like possessiveness of what they have and paranoia about other people trying to take it from them, being jealous of them, but inarguably making them more powerful. Also has the power to like cure the effects of the void. We go down in Astalore's dungeon and like find a blood knight who has been afflicted with some kind of issue from the void that has kind of disempowered them. And and using Astalor's, you know, magic, we're we're able to sort that out for them and like get them cured of it, and and they're able to get back up and go back to the fight. But yeah, it doesn't seem great. There's some I don't know, really ominous foreshadowing, I think, in one of the dialogues, when you unlock nightmare, that like this power is new, and it might not be like immediate or soon that the blood elves would would reap the benefit of this, but that someday down the line, like everybody would witness and fear the power of the blood elves granted to them by this magic, and it's like that that doesn't seem great in there, didn't turn out well, yeah. But the the parallel with Valyra's magic that she uses, I I know specifically with her, like in healer mode, she summons those red kind of orbs, she cuts out the vitality from her targets, and then you can run over and pick them up. Does look very similar. And I didn't remember a lot about Astalore, but I remembered that uh Valyra, and if you if you turn her onto her tanking mode, um, she has an ability that references this. It's the mark of Catherine Atier. And when she was quite young in her story, she she's very involved with um with Madane.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:50

So so that you know The Lore is solid. Take take the canon status of her store of her entire story with a large grain of salt, because it seems like he doesn't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:01

Oh, lore solid. Madan's Madan's canon.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

But as as part of that, she was kind of cursed by a warlock with this mark of Catherine Atir, who was very powerful dreadlord, um, and it led to her being possessed by him. And eventually she was kind of like cleansed of that, but it it has scarred her and marked her with this demonic dreadlord magic that she can still kind of call upon a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:32

So then the dreadlord Nathrazim, who were actually in service to the Shadowlands, big bad daddy D. Well, yeah, like yeah, Daddy D, but like indirectly Zoval, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Or it because he was allied with Zoval. Yep. And so that's where my mind kind of went when you pointed out that her magic was similar to Astolors, that like, oh, well, what if Astolore is a dreadlord? Was the first thing I thought of. Because that's always fun. Like, it was hilarious in the in the lore books that they they put out. You know, you look into the index and look up Jaina Proudborn and it says see dreadlord.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:21

Yeah. Um well, but now there's a new like, because we had that one guy we're like, oh, everybody thought you were dead. Like, I thought you were oh you apparently you're not dead. Oh, you're you're a void entity.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

Oh, that was so good. He's been dead for years.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Well, so like you could be a dreadlord or you could be a void entity now, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:45

So that was the first place my mind went was that maybe Astelor's a dreadlord.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:50

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

What I didn't remember was that Astolor's been with us for a while. He first showed up in the Burning Crusade with the introduction of the Blood Elves in Silver Moon. And at that time, the Blood Elves had captured a Nehru and had it kind of chained in one of their basements and were siphoning its magic to create the first generation of Blood Knights who didn't just call upon the light and were rewarded with their unwavering faith and determination to naturally use that power. They sucked it out of a Nehru and were gifted it. And so Astalor was there as one of the Blood Elf mages working on that project and enabling it. He showed back up again in Warlords of Draenor alongside Leadrin in their camp, like on the edges of um gosh, what was that city called?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

Shatreth.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

The one that was destroyed and was in the middle of the wastelands in Outland. Achandoon. Yeah, her her little camp down outside of Achandoon. And he was empowering and maintaining the golems that the blood elves had had brought with them that were empowered with blood magic. So he has some ties to blood magic, which doesn't really have a strong definition in WoW, but in other settings is always viewed with like kind of a sketchy, not great connotation. But then he he also goes back to you know draining the Nehru and empowering everything like that. And he has some ties to Chaos.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:52

So, you know, my brain initially went to Dreadlords. I didn't love that. But I looked to see if anybody else had had theories. And besides him being a dreadlord, it seemed like the other really popular theory was that, yeah, that is dreadlord magic. That both that Valera's using dreadlord magic. Like that that's known because of her ties to Catherine Atir. But then Astalore, this suffering magic, is also the dreadlord magic. And like it does look very reminiscent of Revendreth.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:25

Like I mean, everybody loved people say, What do you want about Shadowlands? But everybody loved the Bighty Boys.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:33

I was 100% purple before that expansion, and now I love myself a good red transmog set. Uh it was just so good being part of Revendrift having those red spells, having the red transmog, like getting Sinrunner Blanchy, the spectral red horse, as my mount all throughout it. Uh, it was a good look. But so then rule of cool. Why why would Astalore be using Red? Revendreth magic. It definitely looks like it. Like, even those like red shards that he carries around and has us pick up. I mean, it does reek of like Revendreth. But what's the tie between him and Revendreth? Well, he had some pretty strong ties with Kailfoss. And where did Kaelfoss end up?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

True. Oh, you think he's been like talking to him?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

I don't know if that's what is actually happening, but I do like the idea a lot. I I kind of, you know, not knowing what Blizzard actually has in mind, I kind of hope that is what they have in mind. Because Kail Foss, like, what was his his big sin? Why did he end up in Revendreth? Why does anybody end up in Revendreth? Like, pride. Right? He wanted to pretend that he was, he he lied to himself and he lied to everybody else that everything he did was for his people. Like all of the sacrifices that he made, all of this power that he was just forced to take up was to help his people. And through through questing, you know, with him in Revendreth, like he does eventually admit that that's all a lie. He's kind of forced to. The confessor tells him that it's a lie and doesn't accept that, you know, BS that he's trying to sell, that he did it all for his people. No, he did it for himself. He did it for a lust for power. So then I think that would be pretty great and pretty poetic if Kael Foss is actually trying, he he's in conversations with Astelor. That is where Astalore is getting all of this information and knowledge from. And instead of it being shouted from the rooftops, all hail Prince Kaelfoss, our savior, it's just nobody knows.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:56

I mean, that would tie in really well with like a lot of the other themes of this expansion where we're bringing all the different races of elves together. We're resolving some of these old conflicts, and especially with this expansion being based in Silver Moon, for them to be some kind of redemption of Kale Thoss, in addition to some of these other factions, I think would be really, really excellent and and very appropriate, you know, that we're one of the biggest mistakes of the Blood Elves, and this expansion is very much centered around the Blood Elves for there to be some redemption of that previous leader. That would be really cool. I like that idea a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:47

Yeah, just quietly in the background, providing the knowledge, providing the help. I mean, the results still seem kind of sketchy. You know. But Astalore has always been a ins justify the means kind of guy. Like it it does seem very much in character for him, and you know, doesn't have to be secretly a dreadlord. Like, I buy it that if that's what's happening, like that he would just be on board with it. Like can talk about morals all day long, but if all the elves are dead, like why does their morality matter?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:24

Well, you know, he could like pull any kind of crap, and you know how everything would be forgiven if we get some Ravendreth housing decor. Because everybody wants that. Everybody wants that. Be like, oh, sorry guys, my bad. Like, this was a bad idea. Have some like pretty vases for your house, and everybody would be like, Yes, you're forgiven. We're good.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:48

I could use some some big red crystals like encased in like a gunmetal, gray metal.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

I mean, like, I get the you know, the prey busts are cool. I'm running out of places to put them, honestly, because there's so many of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:05

We don't you don't put all of them, right? You just put the most prestigious of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:10

No, I I I've put up every one I've gotten so far.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:14

You don't need duplicates.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:15

You don't need like oh no, I don't get duplicates, but like I'm not like you know well you're giving you can you get duplicates though.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:24

Like there's there's three different busts, right? You get one bust for doing it on normal, a nicer looking bust for doing it on hard hard, and then like a really nice looking bust for doing it on nightmare.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:37

Right, but that's not what I'm doing. Like, there's still like even with each individual version of it, there's still a lot of them. And I'm like tucking them away in various places because I don't know what else to do with them, honestly. Yes, I want to proudly display the people I've hunted and killed for their fear and their suffering. I mean very, very trophy to well, I mean, like that's any any taxidermy, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:06

I yeah, but they're they're not just like some innocent animal minding its own business. Like they're all on your hit list because they are hurting other people and causing problems. You're not you nobody on that list is an innocent. Um it seems like it's a list full of people that have kind of gone rogue and betrayed their people, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:34

That have lot have lost the thread of whatever they were trying to do. Uh which is interesting because I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:40

I'm sorry, you killed someone and you didn't have a quest objective for it? Not allowed. It's uh murder is okay only with quest objectives, like just so you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:53

I was I don't remember where it came from, but I got like a a blue crystal, kind of like encased in gold that looked really cool. Um I just wish that would be red.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:08

We got one recently from the quest objective, but also there's one from the dragon the dragon else expansion that you get from the No, this was a quest in in midnight from like.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:23

So the from the most recent quest line.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:26

You get the the crystals that we're imbuing from the dark dark way or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:33

Yeah, I think one of those with like red and black metal would look no, we do we do need more revendreth coated aesthetic.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:45

Because everybody loves that.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:47

Yeah, it really does seem like he's using Revendrith or even like it makes sense too, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:53

Because that was the whole Revendreth shtick, right? Was like suffering, you know, to atone.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

Right, and the crafting material that we can only get from prey is like tormentum.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:08

Mm-hmm. That's such a it does. It does seem I mean I don't know that Blizzard would like that's the only thing that I think would would be an argument against it. Like, does Blizzard really want to bring more attention to the expansion they'd rather forget about? Maybe just because Ravendreth was so cool that maybe it can overcome all the bad feelings towards Shadowlands. But yeah, in general, we they like it does seem like Blizzard tries to distance themselves from that, but maybe, yeah, maybe they they go back to the cool part. I mean, they're using those Shadowland mounds for the Silver Covenant, so obviously they're not completely above callbacks.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:55

Yeah, the metal is called tormented tantalum. Today I learned tantalum is a real thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:01

Yeah, it sounds dirty though, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:03

Yeah, it sounds made up, but it it's just an element.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:07

Yeah. Not an element, but no, it is an element.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:11

It's an element on the periodic table. What?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:13

Yeah, no, yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:17

73 protons.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:20

Well, obviously, I didn't memorize the periodic table.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

Well, I didn't either, but I if Marl is a thing, I just thought that maybe pyram is a real thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:32

And it is apparently. Yeah, so it's tormented metal. Which sure sounds like some of the stuff that we came across in the jailer's tower. Like, had whole levels dedicated to making that. Tormenting spirits and imbuing the spirits into his little jailer metal to make things out of fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:56

Well, we're going back to Surimar. I guess we could go back to Shadowlands. That could be a fun little jaunt. Wouldn't it be cool though, if like you could draw on some of the powers from the Shadowlands to help save the current world? Like before we the the story was kind of center centered in the Shadowlands, but we haven't completely severed any of those ties. You know, couldn't they still be present, like somehow involved in current events?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:33

It seems like it would be super effective. Do you remember that comic of the three sisters? And Sylvanas showed up and the whispers in Elyria's head just went completely ape.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

Oh, yeah. Well, obviously she's totally coming back. Like Erator keeps being like, I wish Aunt Sylvanas was here. And I'm like, oh buddy, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:52

Right, but the the obviously she's gonna come. The void went panic mode when like confronted with death magic, an avatar of death magic. Yeah. Because by that point, Sylvanas had allied with the jailer, was being beefed up and empowered by his death magic.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:08

Got cool wispy purple chains, like that's that stuff's cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:13

Yeah, so it I mean, I think that's a fair point that like that's might be risky to draw back on the Shadowlands and remind everybody that that was a that'd be like drawing on Warlords of Draenor and reminding everybody that that was a thing. But like in lore, I feel like it would be quite justified to be like, hey, we're fighting the void, like and we're not having a great time. Let's use the magic that it's really scared of against it. Sweet. Let's get some Revenge stuff going on. Let's get some domination magic up in here.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:47

Let's bring Sylvanas back from the Maw to Some things can't be redeemed, but sometimes the rule of cool brings it back anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:57

Sometimes things don't need to be redeemed.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:59

Mm-hmm. Well, because like Vheresa coming back into the they're like, what you did was unforgivable. And she's like, I'm not trying to be forgiven. I'm just trying to help. And they're like, fine, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:13

Thanks, Asus.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:18

But yeah, so that's a that's a very exciting start to the season. Even though, you know, the the void corruption of the sunwell is a bit oppressive.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:29

Oh, I do like I do like the new sky box though.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:32

The new skybox because it looks like Elyria's like symbol, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:38

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:39

If you look at the skybox of like the void coming down into the sunwell, it looks just like the little emblem on Lyra's Elyria's armor.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:51

Oh right, all the black holes.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:53

Right. Yeah, okay. With the with the line bisecting them.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:00

Yeah, I just think it looks a lot cooler than the giant light beam shooting out of it. I like I like the black hole thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:07

Well, I am also a big fan of purple, right? But I do get that it's like, you know, a little bit scary, right? We've got void shooting down out of the sky.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:16

It's a bit oppressive. Is it purple though? I thought it was the new void that's like the blue and the black.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:23

That's a that's violet, sir. Is it the dark blue, black, purple is violet? Like at the like the indigo violet. I believe you, but I'm gonna be of the void you biv.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:35

I'm bad at colors.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:36

Yes. It is true. You are male.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

Hey, that's not fair. Don't don't drag everybody else of my gender down with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:46

I mean, I think it's a little bit of a thing. We're not that they can't discern colors, but that's just that they don't see the need for the nuances. Is a is a common trope. But yeah, so we got we got you know some oppressive void stuff going on, but we're rallying, we're getting all the elves together, and we're getting started on our Delvers journey. We we do have the the new Nemesis who's Nalaeus. Yeah, he's Null Aus.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:24

He's a bit of a weird one.

unknown 1:19:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:27

Because he just shows up and then summons something for us to fight and just kind of stands there, and then when we beat it, he's gone.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:34

Yeah, he's really into those little like demodog void void puppies. Sorry, I'm I'm re-watching all of Stranger Things with my daughter because she wanted to get into Stranger Things, so now we're we've got demagorgons on the brain. But yeah, like those little like void puppies. A lot of the nemesis camps are just void puppies, and that's what Nalaya summons.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

It's either the void puppies or the giant like devastator things, or what's the third one?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:14

There are three, aren't there? I don't recall.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:17

I just jump around and push buttons, dude. I don't even look at what I'm shooting at.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:22

You're a hunter, that's all you gotta do.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:24

That's all I gotta do. But yeah, so like you know, he's he's an interesting character.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:32

Yeah, I'm inter I'm interested to see what his real fight is. What like is he just gonna stand there in the background taunting us and summoning a bunch of things?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:40

Well, maybe he's maybe he's like a void hunts master. Maybe he's a a void beast master.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:47

It just seems kind of in line with the Dominar in general, like the ones up in northern Void Storm. Seemed like they were doing kind of the same thing. They just have all these minions that go out and fight for them and they just stand back and watch unless they absolutely have to fight.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:05

Right. But yeah, so I know we like kind of went over our usual time today, but with us being out last week, I felt like that was appropriate. Is there anything else that you want to highlight for week two or the you know the start of the season before we wrap up for the night?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Let's see. Until next next week. That means you can't really have been getting a lot of the mythic crests, right? Because those only unlock at four. Yep. So at two, you get the gilded stashes at the end of rank 11 or tier 11 delves. Uh at four, those gilded stashes will actually start dropping the myth crests.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:04

Right now you can only get the hero dawn crests.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:07

If you are at four, you can get the myth crests.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:10

But that's kind of where we're stuck at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:13

Got it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:15

With nest with next week, that should open up. And then we'll see if that gets artificially capped at a higher level for a few weeks again.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:27

Oh, the other thing we had been talking about, you know, hypothetically getting these boons and whatever from the rares or whatever, but those the bags that you can like pick up from the dungeon, which drop Marl, or if you are in a group with others and it's not your you're not the group leader, it can drop a companion experience. But we have recently discovered that those bags also drop boons. So you can collect some boons as you're going through the delve just by picking up those bags.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:03

Yeah, they're pretty nice. They they stack. You can end up getting quite a big buff to your stats.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:11

Not quite like Torgas level of like buffing up, but like pretty, pretty nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:17

Right, and then from the from the heavy trunks at the end of the delve, you can also get a blessing, which is like a really powerful boon, but will last through the next delve you complete.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:32

Oh, nice, yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:34

Like I think I got a 10% damage buff until the I completed my next delve. And it lasts 24 hours played. So not 24 hours like real lifetime, but 24 hours played time in-game, which should be more than enough to get around to your next delv.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:54

Hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:57

I mean, sometimes life gets in the way, but I feel like if life is getting in the way, then you're not ticking down that in-game timer.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:07

You'd have to be like in-game doing something that's not delves for 24 hours.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:12

Well, sometimes I gotta spend a lot of time arranging my household goods, okay? Okay. Like, you don't get it because you don't do your own interior decorating. You have someone to do it for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:23

I did my exterior decorator.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:26

Like, you did, but then you but then that's where you stopped. So for those of us that you know don't have a married companion to just go arrange our household for us, like a Regency era bride.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:46

Feel sorry for them. Alternatively, get good.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:51

Sometimes that takes a lot of time just arranging things very precisely, especially if you're doing like the crazy stuff, like people that are creating their own art on the canvases, and I can't even like conceptualize that. But I have noticed that all the best builds are very cluttered, they require a lot of items and a lot of like very careful placement. So, you know, if that's what you aspire to can be quite a time sink, an enjoyable time sink. But so I think that wraps us up for this week. Hopefully, we will remain healthy and we'll be able to join you all again next week. So, from us at the Delvers Inn, I'm Sanaila.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:36

And I'm Zumanaki.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:38

And we hope to see you again here soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:44

Check in again soon. Thank you for your visit. Until next time.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:51

May the eternal sun guide you come again soon.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:55

May the depths bring you wealth. Next one is on me. And don't do anything I wouldn't do.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:02

Rest well. Rest well. Stay warm. Travel in starlight, friend. Safe travels. Travel safe. Safe travels.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:17

Farewell.

unknown 1:26:18

Farewell.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:20

Farewell. Farewell.