The Delver's Inn Episode 8

This week we talk Valeera, Delver's journey process, upcoming changes in the next patch, and theories about the Haranir goddess.

SPOILERS for main campaign questline, Haranir weekly quests, and I guess Burn After Reading if you've never seen that movie but wanted to.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Anubellore del Anna. Keep your eyes on the horizon. Gather at the inn. It's safe there. Our hospitality is yours.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

All guests are welcome here.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Hello and welcome to the Delvers Inn. I'm Sinaila.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

And I'm Zumanaki.

SPEAKER_03 0:41

And we're coming to you here from our brand new outfitted orc suite in the Delvers Inn. I've been busy setting up some of the rooms since I got my house to level seven. Had a little bit more space to put some rooms in, so we have some larger rooms that can house, I would say up to eight, up to eight rough and ready orcs that are used to sleeping rough out on the war path. And some other suites as well that maybe we'll reveal as time goes on. But tonight we're not just going to talk about the inn and my cozy, calming, relaxing efforts to set up my inn like a Hallmark movie. I've also been doing other things in WoW. So I ran some delves this week. I ran some nightmare prey this week. Because I have actually been keeping up, at least with the weekly. I will at least do three to complete my weekly nightmare prey.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

It's better than me.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

And well, I I actually don't mind them. I was, you know, if you remember, I was the one that was like, I'm sorry, what's gonna be happening to me? People are gonna jump out at me. This sounds like my nightmare. I don't like jump scares, no thank you. But like once I kind of figured out the pattern of it, it's okay unless you have one of the mobs that does a lot of cone or rooting effects. I have a lot of trouble with that, especially when the rooting effects are stacking with some other AoEs that are pretty much one-shots, or you get rooted right before you get your shadow effect coming at you. Like, struggled a lot with those particular mobs. I should really start taking notes about which ones those are.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

I think it's it's the Drust of our druid that is particularly bad about that.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

There is him, and there's another one that I had trouble with. So I should just take note of those, and honestly, when they come up in the roster, just bring you with me because I end up crying for help anyway. So, but that's normally what I've been up to. I did finish, I don't know if I had said this last time, but I did finish leveling my evoker. So now I have two max levels, and I'm working on my demon hunter, who I'm really, really digging the void spec on my demon hunter.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Devour.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

Yes, so I'm leveling that tune through Void Storm because it just feels really appropriate. I didn't do a lot of the side quests in Void Storm on my other alts, so getting that rep up with my Demon Hunter leveling feels good.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Or are you liking the side quests in Void Storm?

SPEAKER_03 3:41

There are a couple where the quest text seems particularly horror-esque and or depressing or sad, and so my brain just kind of skips over those, and I just go to quest marker. Like I know there's this whole I got the gist that people had bugs in them, and like the little blood infection bugs were like coming out, and I was like, mmm, like in the mummy when the beetles under the skin, like I don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

You love parasites.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

I anything that is a disease vector, I don't mind bugs, I mind disease vectors. Any type of ecto or endoparasite, I cannot makes me itch internally in my soul. So I was just like, mm-hmm, that's nice. I'm not gonna read this quest text, I'm just gonna click on the things. And then there was a quest line with the shadow of the previous inhabitants of the world that you that was before the void storm, and it started out like, oh, what happened to this world? It's it's a mystery. Let's find out. Oh, you guys all like destroyed yourselves and killed yourselves, and the void elf that was the quest giver for that quest line was like, I I don't know what happened, but that's gonna stick with me for a really long time. He's like, I don't know, we'll never get any answers, but I know I'll I'll never get over it, is basically what he said. And it kind of reminded me of the end of Burn After Reading. Did you ever see that movie? No, where it was a ridiculous movie, and at the end of it, like the FBI, they're like all this shenanigans went on, and a bunch of people like died, and they're like, Well, what did we learn from this? And he's like, The hell if I know, and that was kind of the vibe I got from the end of that quest line, but sadder, so yeah, I've been having fun.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Yeah, I don't know if by the time I got to Void Storm, because I did that last on my initial playthrough. I don't know if by the time I got there I was just kind of done with questing. But I I hit Void Storm and did a few of the side quests, and then I was like, nope, it's just time to mainline the story and get done with this. So I wasn't sure if like the questing just didn't grab me or if I was kind of worn out by that point of doing every single quest. Because then the other three zones I had, like I I cleared the board before I moved on to the next one. I was just curious on your how you were enjoying those.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

No, I feel like it's too much to do on my main. So I I kind of always plan to come back on my alts and do it, whether or not I actually accomplish that. But so far so good on this expansion. I'm actually doing the things I set out to do, so yay.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Nice. On my alts I never I never make it to Void Storm. I just do the I'm doing Ever Song to Zulamon to Erendar a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 6:54

Fun.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

So what else has been going on this week in WoW?

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Well, I got my I got my druid up to max level, so that's all well, that's number six out of 13. Making good progress there. On both my hunter and my druid, as soon as they hit max, I just went straight into tier 11 delves with them. And that went, interestingly, on my hunter. Uh, I think Valera hates me because the best way I've found to do it on her, instead of making her a healer like I do on my warlock, and then my like void walker can tank, I am running into the pats her paper thin issue that you were talking about earlier.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

It's real.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

Yeah, like they're fine on the bosses. And a couple of the fights, I have to switch her over to healing mode to do the boss fight because I just do not have enough sustain.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

It's almost like they heard about how much vet care costs nowadays, and they just give up and die.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

So instead, I've been through the majority of the delve running her as tank, and then she and my pet will like take turns kind of tanking, and then I've got enough healing to keep my pet alive, and she just slowly dies. And like with the the nemesis mobs, the void dogs that come in like that pack of three, it's still like 50-50 whether she survives that fight or not. About half the time she dies, and then I have to pop turtle and go pick her up off the floor. But it's nice that when you get her back from unconsciousness, she's immediately back at 100% health.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

See, I think that the the burrowing beetle slugs are worse than the demodogs because they put out that, you know, kind of area effect that like scatters.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

And yeah, that hurts really bad if you get hit by the case.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

It hurts really bad. And the worst thing is when you find them in kind of an enclosed hallway, like Shadow Enclave or Telamon, and so they're enclosed, you can't pull just one, and then they're all firing that crap off at once and there's nowhere to go. That's that's a tough one.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

But other than Valera having a bad time, that went pretty well. And then on my druid, uh, went resto for the first time. I cannot remember sorry, for the first time in Delves. I cannot remember the last time I played Resto on a Druid. It's like a decade ago at least. So that's been fun to learn.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

But you said you've been enjoying healing on your priests, so are you are you still enjoying that?

SPEAKER_01 9:54

I've been enjoying healing in general. So my first character that I went healing on was my shaman, uh, who I really enjoyed healing on in the war within. And then, yep, I went to try healing on my priest. Tried holy, didn't like that so much. Switched to disc. It's a lot better. Enjoy that a lot. Yep, and so then my druid is my third healer that I've been doing delves on, and we actually did those delves together. Me on my druid and you on your evoker there. First one we did didn't go great because it was collegiate calamity, and Valera just decided she didn't want to be alive. Hold like three mobs, and like I was just spamming every heal and ability that I had, and she still just fell over, and there was like nothing I could do about it. And so at first I like initially I thought, okay, I just don't know what I'm doing on Druid. Like that didn't go well. But then we just tried it again and it went fine. And then a couple times since then, in Collegiate Calamity on other healers, like on my shaman and on my priest, at one point in the Delve, she'll just fall over and like not do anything. I tried checking to see if her buff that scales every time she levels up had like fallen off or something. Checked if she just decided she wasn't in tank spec anymore. Like, haven't been able to find anything, but then she like dies. And then so usually I die. And then we just run it back and everything's fine again. So there seems to be something weird there with Valyra. I haven't noticed it on any other delves than collegiate calamity.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

And it's only when she is in tank spec.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Well, I've only noticed it when she's in tank spec. Um right. I do have my warrior I run as prot, so he's in tank spec. But then if she just stops healing, most of the time I I don't notice it. Like my warrior has enough self-sustain. I should probably be running her as DPS on my warrior, but then I don't know, I actually have to pay attention to try to survive, and I'd rather just not. I'd rather just pull big packs and have like the extra healing.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

In which spec, because I've noticed, you know, we we have a few minor quibbles with Folia, right? On the whole, we love her because we don't want them to bring Bran back, right? But you know, so she has those what you called impotent moments where she just kind of I'm dead. Bloop.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Right. I have no health, I don't do any damage.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

She tends to get a bit pull happy at times. Do you think I I've only noticed that when she's in like healing that she gets a little pull happy, she's kind of like running around firing off stuff, and then like, where did that pack of mobs come from? Where did you where do you even find that? Drop it, drop it.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

She does seem better behaved in tank. I haven't noticed her just randomly running off to find things as much. There's one spot in Zulamon where she will every time, but there's also not a lot of mobs in that area, so it's not usually a big deal.

SPEAKER_03 13:33

But you know what I love about Valera is that delete button. The mandate of sacred death curio. Yeah, I was sounds super cool.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

I really liked in season three of The War Within, where there it was like half the season that brands Hatarang was bugged, and just every once in a while he would delete mobs from the game, uh, or bosses, even. Like they'd just be at like 50-60% health, and then they're on the floor. And that was obviously broken and really powerful, but it was also really fun, I thought.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

Oh, I just thought they took that away because they got sued by Nintendo for the obvious ripoff of Super Mario Odyssey.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

For sure. Um but I I'm I'm glad that they added that back to a lesser extent with the mandate of Sacred Death. It does seem really powerful still. Because how it works is you start off with at least an um in the epic version of the curia, you've got an 8% chance to do 2% of the enemy's life in damage to them. And then every time you gather a resource, so anytime Valera interacts with a mining node or herbs up a plant, or skins something, or finds some extra gold to give to you, uh, she gets another stack of that buff, and each stack makes it so that when it triggers, it does 2% more damage. So it maxes out at five stacks. So you've got an 8% chance to do 10% of the enemy's um health as damage to them, uh, which does work on bosses, which still seems quite powerful. I think it's gotta have an internal cooldown because the bosses don't die that fast. That it would be like 8% chance to do to lose 10% of their life. But then there's a small chance that the buff doesn't specify to just instantly kill non-boss enemies.

SPEAKER_03 15:45

And it's not super rare.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

It's not, it's not super rare. It seems quite common. Which I think is just fun.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yeah. Especially when I'm on my hunter trying to do those, what did you call them? Dima dogs.

unknown 16:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

And one of them just gets removed from the game. Makes it a lot easier. You don't have to worry about it. Yeah, big fan of that. Uh, Kyurio. Be sad when season one is over and we gotta see that go.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

Yeah, we've also got Stranger Things on the Brain, because I know they had the season, the series finale earlier this year, late last year, but our eldest child recently got into it. So we're watching it again.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Speaking about Valera, saw a patch note come through saying that Valera now talks less. Have you noticed that at all? Have you noticed did you notice her being especially verbose before?

SPEAKER_03 16:49

I gotta say, I usually am running the game on silent because I'm watching the Great British Bake Off while I'm running Delves. It's cozy, okay? It's cozy and it warms my soul. So I cannot say that I've noticed a huge difference, but I don't any any any amount of talking she does is less than brand, so it can't have been that bad.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

You don't miss don't stand there. Those webs summon Nerubians.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

I know. I'm not doing it on purpose.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Uh I do like that the webs no longer summon neurubians on that note. The webs that what is it? Gulf of memory. When you do the uh dis hair near descending version of that delve.

SPEAKER_03 17:45

But you do need to watch out for the subtle cottage core pattern on the floor that the light bloom puts out because that can be detrimental. That killed Valera one time she was standing in the flowers.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

Mm-hmm. Yeah, in Collegiate Calamity. And the one where you get the the bug spray bombs or whatever. Well, not bug spray, herbicide bombs.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yeah, those those light bloom flowers, the patches that they put out. I think I think she pulled too much and then just couldn't figure out where to stand. Like couldn't her routine couldn't determine a safe place to go because she did pour pull those like slugs, nemesis mobs. I think there was just too much stuff on the ground for her to figure out a safe space, and her routine gave up and said, Alright, I'll just park it here in the middle of this patch of light bloom.

SPEAKER_03 18:37

Is that a coding term? Routine?

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Get her little programmed process. Her her modus operandi. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

Her standard operating procedure.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

I didn't catch that. It was a Greek to me.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

So you know, Valira's had some up and downs, but on the whole, we're still good friends.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Mostly ups. Big fan. Big fan.

SPEAKER_03 19:10

Yeah. Like like hanging out with her. I mean, she's she would be a great roommate because half the time you don't know she's there. She's just like sneaking off into corners, just about her business. Very Jamie.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

And then when I notice she's not there, I'm like, hello, tank, what's going on?

SPEAKER_03 19:29

I hate when I'm like, do do do pull a mob. Why am I fighting this by myself? Where oh, you pulled something way over there.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Yeah, or she's like in the middle of a mining animation that still hasn't finished and like stopped slow walking with me, and I just didn't notice because she's invisible all the time.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

However, even in Healing Specs, if if she's like off fighting something on her own, she'll actually kill it. Versus Bran, who was basically crowd control, where he would just like hold a mob elsewhere, but never like you would have to get to it eventually because he was never gonna kill anything on his own. Whereas, like, I'm like, oh crap, you're over here by yourself. Let me come help. Oh, you got it. You just okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

No, she's she's quite powerful, especially when you get her leveled up. Which I got her to 60 this week, so check that off the to-do list. Max level for Valera.

SPEAKER_03 20:23

There's a to-do list. Can you share it with me?

SPEAKER_01 20:26

I don't. It's not a real thing, it's a turn of hers. I wish I had a real to-do list that I could keep up with and actually manage.

SPEAKER_03 20:34

The only thing that's annoying is that when she's you know grabbing random combat, she cock blocks me just as much as you do when I'm trying to pick up the little boon shrooms.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Boon shrooms.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

I forgot I coined that this week.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Well, because they can yeah, curious.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

The curiosities, the mislaid curiosities, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Sometimes they're bags, sometimes they're barrels, but in Grudge Pit, which is the best delve, they are little mushrooms, and they give you boons, which actually makes them worth picking up, but you can't pick them up while you're in combat. So as a hunter, like if there's some weird bug crap going on, I can just feign death and pick up my little boon shroom. But when I'm running it with my husband, and he he just isn't paying attention. I'm like, oh look, a lovely little and he pulled something. So I like stand there and like tap my foot, and and he finishes, it's like, okay, can I grab it and hold something else?

unknown 21:37

Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:38

And Valera will occasionally do that, but honestly, you're worse.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

I am. Well, especially one time I watched it happen. I watched me do it. I ran over to the Curiosity, I looted it. You were behind me, so you like ran up a few seconds after I finished looting it to start looting, and then I pulled something. I saw it happen. Uh I'm I'm I'm sorry. I love that Blizz added a permanent incentive to continue looting those. Because like in The War Within, I would be really adamant about finding them and making sure I looted everyone I saw right up until Bran was maxed out in experience. Because after that, what are you gonna get? Like two resonance crystals? I don't care about that. You can buy decor with that. Yeah, not two of them. I can buy decor with like 150 of them. Every little bit counts. No, I'm not going to take the time to loot a thing to get two of them.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Which is shocking because usually in games you loot everything.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Yeah, and I never use any of it. I just end up with full inventories at the very end.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

You're like Carl, just like everything in the room. Loot, loot, loot.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

At least Carl uses it. Yeah, Carl loots the whole dungeon, but he uses it. I just have it, which is not good to anybody. But I like that they've given an incentive to continue to loot those even after Valer is at max level. Because the boons are quite nice.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Um Grudge Pit.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

And further evidence for why it is the best delve of all time. The other day I finally noticed the little snarky remarks around the heated hecklers that you can. Already off to a great start. Just beat stuff up. And in the stands, there are the red-tagged mob that are the heated hecklers. And you beat them up as directed. And the Hungarians around them have to just make snide little remarks after you kill them. The ones that I heard were that shot shroom up. That what hat clerguette? Shoulda watched mouth. And my personal favorite, Toxmack get whacked. It's just so good. It's so good. And I love it.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

I just okay. I've never been into like wrestling, boxing, any of that type of stuff. But could you imagine one of the fighters like crawling out of the ring, going down into the stands, and just like punching a guy in the face, and everybody like cheering and being like, yeah, serves him right?

SPEAKER_03 24:39

I mean, this is a fantasy game, right? We get to live out stuff that we wish could happen in real life sometimes. But yeah. So good. I just love that they're little cute little mushroom guys, and they're all like, WWF for Fungarians.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

You think they're cute. I think they're terrifying. And I think that's that's some evidence for my my vote, which probably comes from some of the that weird fiction uh that I was reading for a while.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

I mean, so we never really got into the last of us, which we totally should, but maybe I would have a different view on it if we had gotten really into the last of us. But you hey, to fear the fungi, first of all, they're just a bunch of fungi. Second of all, fear the natural cycle of nature, which is a renew, regrowth, and decay.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Yeah, but fungi are weird in and of them. They're not plants, they're not animals, they're this weird other thing that is just strange and unnatural.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

And we actually, it's like science has no idea how they work. Like, we kind of know what they do, but we have no idea how they actually work. And you and like it sounds weird because it's like surely by now science would have discovered the mystery. No, they and they're like talking to each other somehow? We have no clue.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Yeah, so you you can call them a natural little thing. I think they're terrifying.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Oh, a lot of people don't like spiders, and I was really into them because they were cool last season, last expansion.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Um but circling back to the boon shrooms real quick, I I agree that we should definitely be able to loot them in combat. Um, I'm not sure what purpose not being able to give. But like on my Resto Shaman, you know, I have an ability that puts a healing circle on the ground, and it lasts like 12 seconds, and as long as that's up, I'm in combat, even if everything else is dead. And like I can dismiss that totem manually, but then it's still a few seconds before I'm out of combat again. So it's like I'm just standing around waiting to be allowed to loot this thing for no reason.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

Let us loot in combat, please.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

No one's listening.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

No, that's no one cares. Nobody listens to me talk in real life either. I don't expect that talking about video games on the internet, anyone's listening to me either. It's fine.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Yeah. No big deal.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Talking about being ignored, I thought this was quite rude. We talked about Zoran last time, the wonderful ethereal friend who, now in midnight, will eventually just sell you heroic track gear. Right?

SPEAKER_02 27:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

I discovered that it's possible to walk up to him at the end of the delve and him just not have anything for you.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

And by not have anything for you. Like he doesn't literally have a blank store.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

He does have a blank store by default. If you go up and change it to filter, not based on your class, which is the default, to show like warlock items or hunter items. If you change it to all, then it will show you what's actually in his inventory on offer. But it's possible that any of the things that he's offering cannot be used by your class andor spec. So, like maybe you're a hunter and he's selling a shield, a healing trinket, and a bow.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

And then everything's a hunter weapon.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

By everything, even the shield, like Captain America says you can use it as a weapon. It's an old meme, but it checks out. Yeah, so it's possible to run up.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

Any more nerd references you want to cram into that one reference?

SPEAKER_01 29:01

That's fine. I understood that reference. Um it's possible to run up to him and him just not have anything for you, and I think that's really sad.

SPEAKER_03 29:15

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

It feels it feels a little bad.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

I mean, I haven't even gotten far enough in my Delverse journey that he's offering me hero class gear yet, so I'm not super broken up about it.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

It's fine. Do you want to segue into that conversation then?

SPEAKER_03 29:34

Chimpanzee, one sec. So I remember I was what was I talking about with the Delver's Journey process this week? Where I was like, it's not fair because you've got infinite alts.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Right. I was talking about all the things that I had unlocked by maxing out the Delver's Journey, which I was only able to do so quickly. Because, yep, I have a bunch of alts, and the majority of the progress you get towards the Delver's Journey is by opening up the bountiful chests at the end of Bountiful Delves. So you're limited to opening up four of those a day per character. But if you have a lot of alts, then you can do four for each of your alt every single day and get that giant swath of experience for advancing your journey. If you're out of bountiful delves, you can do it and you still get experience, but it's it's not as punishing, but it's kind of a similar situation with just continuing to do prey, where like the first four give you a thousand experience, and then after that you're only getting 50. When you're not getting that big hit of here's 300 experience for opening the bountiful chest, it's like, well, here's like a hundred for beating the delve. So you could you could still grind it out, but it it would definitely be more work. And then each of those non-bountiful delves really isn't it's not getting you any gear. You're just not getting as much of a benefit, so it feels bad. Yeah, so I I started talking a little bit about you know, is that a good idea? Is that fair? How bad does it feel? Because like what? I'm I'm done with the journey now, and it'll probably take you what two or three or four more weeks to get there, with just if you were just doing it on one character. Yeah, what's what's the payoff versus the the feels bad there on that?

SPEAKER_03 31:53

Uh you're the one that's gonna feel bad because you're gonna have to carry my alts through all the delves.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Well, that's that's fine. I'm just getting carried by a level 60 Valera anyway. Right. Yeah, so I I guess some of my thoughts there were that maybe it's kind of self-balancing and not that bad. But like for the people that only have one character, it's gonna take them longer to max out that journey. So it's gonna take them longer to start getting those those really high-rank rewards, like the hero piece dropping at the end out of the bountiful chest, being able to buy hero gear off of Zaran. And that's gonna make their gearing journey longer, so they'll stay naturally more engaged in the game, and that like prog that that not literal journey, but that figurative journey of them progressing their character and maxing them out through delves throughout the season will take more time, and that won't be over so quickly, and they'll have a longer period where they can kind of enjoy it. Versus if you do have a lot of alts, you're gonna be running all of your alts through this, so you've set yourself a much more time-consuming goal, and having this two or three or four-week head start giving those extra pass for gearing your characters kind of tones down the amount of time that it's gonna take you to get all of that gear for that alt. So you're not looking at literally a five or six or ten times as much effort as somebody with one character. It's a little more reasonable. Um, but that said, like you do end up with five or six or ten completely heroic geared characters. Why shouldn't it take you five or six or ten times as much effort?

SPEAKER_02 34:00

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 34:03

It's it's probably only even an issue in our household because how many paired people living together have, you know, one devoting more time and effort than the other, and such FOMO issues arise.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Oh. I don't know. Because I I don't know outside of Yeah, if you do only have one character and you're only doing delves, I could see it being somewhat of a nothing burger. Like, yeah, doesn't matter to me. I'll get there eventually. But then if you're in a normal raiding guild and you don't really want to do Mythic Plus, but then you like doing delves and they give you heroic gear, and like that's a big source of getting gear for you. But now you've gotta wait these extra weeks, and by the time that you actually get there, you don't care for the heroic gear. Like, I don't know. I I I could see it being a big deal to some people, but yeah, I don't think those people are me.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

With all the alts that I'm trying to gear up, I'll take every advantage I can to try to actually get that done in one season. Um still I I don't think it's gonna happen, but like I said, six out of thirteen.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

And I am incredibly motivated by aesthetics. So if I'm leveling an alt and I just hate the color of the mythic, I'm not gonna grind for it. I will say the champ like I think what's a good example. Well, the evoker's a decent example because the the champion color scheme on the tear gear is fine. Like it's it's good. I really actually dislike the red of the mythic. So, like I maybe if I just naturally get there, but as long as I get a full set heroic on that character, I'm happy. The Demon Hunter. The champion level colors are quite good. Do I need to grind that hard to get like the green accents on the mythic? Maybe not. Maybe I'll just buy all the champion gear and call it good.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

See, I think I think the mythic version of the demon hunter set is fire.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

Fine. Then run me through all the delves. Carry my demon hunter so I can get green horns. Just just because I want that coloration on my demon hunter doesn't mean that you have to have it on your I mean I do I do like the green for Demon Hunter, and those horns are so low-key, they are so low key coded. So then you like have to have them in green. So now I'm convinced. I was trying to just convince myself that I didn't need to worry about it for my demon hunter, but you're welcome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

Well, good news for your demon hunter, then maybe. We've got the patch coming on Tuesday. Right? And with that, they're gonna be adding in that weapon up. That's not where I was going, but we can talk about that if you want to.

SPEAKER_03 37:22

No. We already talked about it. It's gonna be a thing, and I'm really excited because right now I'm wearing my frickin' bakery on my back to try and hide my bow, and it still didn't work. Oh no. Yeah. Oh I have a I have a bow going straight through my mobile bakery on my back.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

That doesn't work at all.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

No. Paul Hollywood would not approve. It's bread week, and you put a piece of wood through your through your buns. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

And Prue would say that, you know, it's a bit of a mess, but the flavors are wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

It's a bit of a mess, but I think the woody flavor is quite lovely. We've been watching way too much bake-off. I'm so sorry. I'm not even sorry.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

What I was gonna say was that with the the patch, they're adding in reroll tokens back from like we used to have in Miss of Pandaria and other expansions. So you'll be able to buy these for gold, for crusts, for Marl, up to two per week. And Blizz had has put out detailed examples of how it'll work with Raids and with Mythic Plus. And I haven't seen anything about how or if it will work in Delves or with Nightmare Prey.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Why would we need to know?

SPEAKER_01 38:52

I I mean to be to be fair, I feel like we have quite a lot of opportunities for hero gear coming at us through delves right now.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Although I will say I did four delves, four bountiful delves on my main, still no map.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Well, just uh use one of those orbs that you get from Alistair for doing the three nightmares.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

I know, but I feel like how many should I do to get my map? They used to be like you could count on them in a three, and it seems like they're they get got a little bit more rare.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

So if if the reroll tokens end up being no good in delves, I'm not gonna be too miffed about it. But it would be nice. I could see them making re-roll tokens be account-wide, kind of like the keys that you can buy, two per week are the bountiful keys that you can just buy for um undercoin.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Right, you can you you can buy two of them, but it's for your entire account, it's not per character, which I always thought was strange.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

But I could see them doing I mean it's limited per account, but if I buy it on my hunter, can I use it on my broker?

SPEAKER_01 40:14

No.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

Okay, so it's just it's just available to buy, but it's limited per account.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

Yes. And I could I could see reroll tokens working the same way.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

I don't know if they will. I can't be bothered to go on the PTR to figure it out. And it wasn't clear from the articles. If those are available for using on Delves or Nightmare Prey, would be nice. I still haven't looked up how you use the map on Nightmare Prey, have you?

SPEAKER_03 40:53

What?

SPEAKER_01 40:55

The the map that you get in Delves. You can you were supposed to be able to use that with the prey system.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

So that you could target the prey items at that hero level.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Yeah, obviously I knew all about that.

SPEAKER_01 41:13

Oh. I haven't looked into it at all because I can't be bothered. Um I just use them in the doves.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

But in theory.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

Yeah. What lore things have been going on? To be fair, last time we talked, you had promised me a Sylvanas theory.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

It wasn't a Sylvanas theory, it was like a batty theor uh batty, not batty, theory about what is going on with reality and what's broken with the Shadowlands.

SPEAKER_03 42:02

Yes, that was it.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Do you want to get into that or do you want to get into more solid lore?

SPEAKER_03 42:08

4K, no lowest dose.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Because we have 14 minutes remaining.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Okay. Let's get into the more solid lore then. And we'll find out. So this week's been kind of busy for us between lots of real life stuff just going on and also lots of weather going on, meaning that instead of playing wow, we get to huddle in the basement.

SPEAKER_03 42:35

Yeah, sorry about last night. Tornadoes. Woo-woo.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

So I haven't done a ton of delves this week, but what I did do was try to catch up on some of like the weekly stuff. So I did actually do some praise enough to get my prey hearthstone. And I did my weekly hair and ear quest that I've been trying to keep up with on my main. And I hit the final breakpoint to unlock the last bit of like story in that. And it was leading up to like this big kind of lore payoff, and all this stuff about like, once you know it can't be unknown, are you sure you want to like know the secret of the goddess? I'm like, ooh, that sounds really interesting. Yes, I want to know. Let's find out what is this. And so then I get there and it it didn't really have a payoff for me. I felt like I kind of knew all this already. So I guess spoilers for the Heronir World Quest Lord Um. Maybe skip forward or just it's the end of the podcast. We'll see you next week. But if you don't care, or if you also feel like you know what's going on. On and aren't afraid of a nothing burger. Small recap of things we learned in the leveling zone of Herandir and also the earlier parts of the questline. Alnhara used to be in that big tangle of roots in the sky of Herandir that they call the cradle. We learn that a powerful force from outside this world ripped her away. That the voice that the Herandir hear in the Rift of Aln is the remnants of her scream, and the creatures down there, her nightmares and terror from being ripped out of her home kind of violently. And the whole thing ends with Orwena swearing to rally her new allies that she's made up on the surface. We're gonna find Alnhara and we're gonna bring her back. And that left me kind of scratching my head. I don't know about you, I feel pretty comfortable that Onhara is the world soul of Azeroth.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

Okay. Yeah, that seems pretty concrete. And that the world soul of Azeroth is contained deep under the ground in some Titan device slash facility for its safekeeping and nurturing and protected growth.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

Yeah, I wasn't like as set on that, I think, as you were, because we we still know so very little about what the world soul is, but clearly what we learned from the war within, which it seemed like all of the secrets in the war within were also nothing burgers. So maybe like originally I felt like this Heronier storyline was supposed to be in War Within, and then they moved it. So maybe it would have made I mean that's that's a theory.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

I've heard people say all of Herandar was supposed to be in the world within.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

Yeah. Which, you know, maybe it would have made more sense together. But yeah, you definitely got the feeling that all of the earthen were supposed to be caring for the world soul, and then like their process got disrupted.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

Right, by her. Right? You had these these heroes of the earthen that were they mistook Magni for one, right? His diamond self was a Thraegar, they called him. And that these Thragar were being called by Azeroth, uh the world soul of Azeroth, down into the depths, and then like that's what started the Titans mind wiping all of them, because they found out that if they regularly mind wiped them, they were less susceptible to these overriding directives coming from Azeroth and drawing them down there to her.

SPEAKER_03 46:59

Uh-oh, Titans are bad now.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Yeah, well, it it seems like two plus two is four here, and that yeah, the Titans came and they ripped the world soul out of the cradle and put it in their sterile little box to help her.

SPEAKER_03 47:15

I mean, um I I people are like, oh, the Titans are bad now, and I'm like, you know, we've gone along with some pretty shady stuff throughout our career in Azeroth, right? Like, we haven't always made the most ethical choices. Like, murder is condoned as long as a quest giver told you to do it, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:42

So doubly condoned if that quest giver was Sylvanas.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Oh, yes, no, she can do no wrong. Um, but then I don't know if the Titans are even like, yeah, they did this and they did that, and they you know, made the dragons dragon eggs into they genetically engineered them to be more Titan-y with their order magic. Are they really bad? Like, is what are they doing bad, or are they just following a corporate process? They're just making things more efficient.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

And wait, your your argument for the titans aren't that evil after all, is by drawing an analogy to corporate America.

SPEAKER_03 48:29

That's what I'm saying. Like, lots of people go along with corporate America because we get paid.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

See, I'm just I'm just stuck on like the Titans are evil now, me in a space suit, like staring at the world from orbit and Iranicus just behind me with the world soul being like always were.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

But like also, if that is kind of where the story team is going, that would be really, really funny based on like the Microsoft acquisition. I feel like they're not really evil, they're just corporate, and you know, sometimes corporates corporations just do things and you kind of just go along with it because you like paychecks.

SPEAKER_01 49:21

So it it definitely does seem like gearing up for hints that we might be gearing up for, oh the titans are evil. I'm uh very interested to see how that would play out because okay, if the titans are evil, then we want to stop them. How do we stop them? Well, we're a bunch of all-powerful murder hobos, so we stop things by killing them. Okay, so we're gonna kill the titans. Wait, hold on. I feel like that was somebody else's plan two expansions ago. You know, sounds awfully familiar. Are we gonna team up with another baddie?

SPEAKER_03 50:01

Sometimes we achieve the same end by different means. Sometimes we fix the Shadowlands after Sylvanas tried to and got spanked for it, but then we do the exact same thing that she was trying to accomplish.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

You're talking about putting the soul of um Pelagos in the Arbiter?

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 50:24

And, you know, that whatever the Titans are about, at least they're on their way out. Because the expans the next expansion, there will only be one left.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

I just are we gonna be is his name Iranicus? Did I get that wrong?

SPEAKER_03 50:40

I have no idea. Uh Tolkien Pantheon? Sure. Let's talk about that. I can probably contribute. Titan Pantheon? I don't hmm.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Stone Stony Primal Dragon Man. Uh whatever his name is. I felt so confident saying Iranicus, but now that I've said it.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Oh, oh no, no, no. You yes, the the Iridicron.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Iridacron. Who is Aranicus then?

SPEAKER_03 51:03

I don't know. Is that what the kids named the newest dinosaur stuffy?

SPEAKER_01 51:10

Oh, he was Aranicus is the green dragon who's dead in Sunken Temple. Wow. Uh I haven't been to Sunken Temple in the world.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

You could be a random name generator.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Okay, sorry, Erydicron. Are are we just gonna be like in a confrontational race against Eridicron to kill the Titans first?

SPEAKER_03 51:35

Like no, we're going to spank Eritocron for being mean to us and doing things in a way that we did not condone, and then we're going to do the exact same thing that he set out to do. That's how it goes.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Okay, I guess that's better than us deciding, oh, well, we need to ally with Eritokron. Right after we allied with Zalotath, and then that worked out really well for us. And Zalotath and Eritocron are also allies. I feel like we really wouldn't have learned a lesson there.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

Speaking of allies, people are real mad about the elves. Oh no, it's the Disney Well.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

The Disney Well?

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Yeah. And I'm like, wait, where? Do you have to is there a lightning lane for that? Can I get lightning passes to the Disney Well? I am in. I am in for the Disney Well.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

What makes it a Disney Well? Why are people at the end of the day?

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Just because everybody kumbayad and like all did it together, and I guess people are mad that the elves are all friends now, even though they have thousands and thousands of years of history of like fighting each other. Are they friends now? I it's definitely a truce, right? Like, but they literally said, they literally said out loud, like, we will not forgive, we will never forgive this one thing that happened. We will never forgive that other thing that you did. I will never forget when you threw all of us out of Dalaran.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

Like, yeah, and the well, the pact that um Verisa and Athos signed, it definitely didn't say we're best friends now. It said, We realize that in times of world-ending disaster, there are things more important than continuing to kill each other. It's like we can fight when the world's not ending, and we continue to be upset about that and want to kill each other then. But if the world is ending, let's put that on pause and deal with the world ending, and then we can get back to fighting each other.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

Like I mean, but I mean letting them into Silver Moon and letting them have their own space in Silver Moon does kind of feel permanent.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

Does the Silver Covenant have their own space in Silver Moon? I knew the Void Elves did. I mean like Ramath gave them their lab back, and that's gonna be used as like an outreach center for them.

SPEAKER_03 54:09

I kind of felt like with Teresa bringing the artifacts back, and then one of the artifacts was actually a part of the Donwell. The Donwell, I felt like that was them being permanently welcomed back into the city. I mean, welcome is a strong word, but they were allowed back in the city and there wasn't a time limit put on it.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

It's just my problem with it is that it's just so unrealistic. I couldn't possibly imagine like a country existing and going to war with itself and like brother killing brother and hundreds of thousands of casualties, and then them ever coming back together under a single leadership to live together. That has never happened in the entire history of humans.

SPEAKER_03 55:01

I mean, we're cool with Germany now.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

We're cool. The North and the South are cool with each other in America. Like it happens all the time. Like sometimes it even happens within a generation. Like yeah, it's much easier when it happens over several generations, right? So you have that those next kids who never really grew up firsthand experiencing all of that sometimes manufactured hate towards the other and the fear of war and strife and whatever. It's much easier to naturally recover over time like that. And that's not so much a thing with the elves because of their really long lives, but sometimes it does happen within a generation that like we come back together and not forgive each other, but tolerate enough each other enough to move on, which I think is what's happening here.

SPEAKER_03 55:59

I mean, Arisa gave Sylvanas a hug, and Sylvanas like definitely wanted to kill her and her children, so before, not right now, not right now, but like there was that whole subplot where like, oh, I really want my sister to hang out with me. Well, obviously, the only way for us to do that is if we're both dead. So I obviously should murder her and her children and just like res her so we can all hang out.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

Yeah, I got nothing for that.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

Um, like not infrequently did Sylvanas plot to murder her sisters, but they're cool now. We're cool now.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

Kind of. Are she in Illyria cool now?

SPEAKER_03 56:44

I don't know that they've seen each other yet because Illyria was lost by the time Sylvanas showed up again.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

Right.

SPEAKER_03 56:51

And Illyria didn't want to go to the Shadowlands to visit her. She's like, nah, Eritor, you got that. I mean, you know, she's your favorite auntie, you can handle it. She'll she'll be nice to you.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

Yeah, I'm not so I'm not sure if Sylvanas and Elyria are cool with each other. Like, even if there wasn't the whole I'm dead and you're not thing going on, there's a lot of stuff to unpackage there. Like, Elyria did just leave and abandon Sylvanas and force all that responsibility onto her.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

Yes, the entire Windrunner family needs so much therapy. So, so much therapy on multiple levels. But also. I mean Sylvanas had feelings when we found Illyria's necklace, and Illyria wasn't like, no Eritor, don't you ever get near that witch. Like she was like, Yeah, you can go talk to Sylvanas, it's fine. So, you know, I I think despite the massive amounts of therapy that that everybody in that family needs, I I think they're getting there.

SPEAKER_02 58:20

I I assume that we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 58:26

Since I cleverly brought it back around to Sylvanas, tell me about the Shadowlands.

SPEAKER_01 58:31

It okay, so it doesn't have anything to do with Sylvanas, and it's not a very well-thought-out theory. But it it kind of hinges on that comment that I think last week I called out as striking me as kind of strange, where Sylvanas tells Zalatath that death even comes for her wretched kind. Right? And we discussed, like, oh well, is she of the void? Does she really die? Because the way that death works in Azeroth slash the mortal plane is kind of weird in general. Like, if you're a mortal and you die, that's it. Like, kind of game over, and you go to the Shadowlands, which is your afterlife, and then stuff happens there, and who knows what's at the end of that road. But then if you're not a mortal, let's say you're an elemental, right, and you've been summoned onto the if you're not immortal or if you're not a mortal. If you are not a mortal being.

SPEAKER_03 59:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

Which like even the elves would would be well, the night elves at one point would have been called immortal. But if they died, they would still like it's game over, and they go to the shadowlands, right? So if you are not one of the mortal races, if you are some other type of creature, like an elemental or a demon, and you are killed on the mortal plane, you don't die and go to the shadowlands. You go back to whatever plane you naturally exist upon, and some amount of time later you reform your body and you just go back to existing, and you can be summoned back to the mortal plane again, over and over again. That seems like a very strange way for death and life to work. And it feels very strange in the context of Sylvanus' line that death comes for all. It doesn't really. But what if it's supposed to? What if the Titans didn't like this idea that they could die? And they fell into this trap that lots of things fall into in fantasy and sci-fi. It's a bit of a trope, this lure of true immortality, that you can't ever die. And so they built and constructed all of these weird little subdivisions of reality in which death can't get to them and can't get to other things. And for whatever reason, all of that worked, except for the mortals. And so the mortals still did need to die and go somewhere, but we can't let them go where they're supposed to go. So we create this weird plit prison place simulacrum of where they're actually supposed to go. And it's just more traps. It's all prisons and traps all the way down.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:49

This world is a prison.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:51

Well, right, like even that line is a call back to like the pri the world of Azeroth being a prison that chained these old gods underneath the ground. Yeah, it's all prisons and all traps and all lies all the way down.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

Just like work. What?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

Jesus. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:23

Working in corporate America.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

So that was where where my brain kind of went. That like, yeah, maybe death is really broken. Maybe when things die, they are just supposed to die. And the Titans decided that they didn't like that. And so broke and distorted reality so badly into this whole complicated thing that doesn't make any sense at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:49

Oh crap, we accidentally set the demons on a loop. Well, we're not gonna let anybody at the code to fix that bug.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

Just just push it to prod, it'll be somebody else's problem. Go go send so get send Sargaris to get on that bug fix. He'll figure it out eventually.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:10

Poor code monkey. Well, yeah, so on that very happy note. I I do honestly, I do think it's happy that all the elves are working together. Like it it felt good to me. And if that makes me a Disney adult, I'm not gonna argue with you because there's enough hate and stuff in the world that I like the moments in wow that give me a fuzzy good feeling. I feel like those are worthwhile. Even if they have to manufacture like bittersweet, sad, fuzzy moments. This is not. I was just like, and like I was impressed with Chandrist because she was all like, if you get the opportunity to make another sun well, I'm gonna have to put in a complaint because I don't think you should be making another sun well. And then they're like, hey, can you like help us make a new like multi-well? And she's like, Yeah, sure, have some moon.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

Well, they weren't they weren't making a new well of power, they were just getting the void out of the previous one. It's like the Dawn Well isn't a fount of power, the same way that the Sun Well or the Light Well were. It's just a nice little pool that doesn't have Yucky Void in it anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:33

Yep. And in this case, Dawn is better than Twilight because we don't want to be associated with the cult.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:40

Mm-hmm. Well, also, Twilight is leading towards darkness.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:45

Dawn is a little bit more hopeful. And we'll always have that final scene in the 1993 Pride and Prejudice with Actually, that's probably the wrong year, but with Kira Knightley. She comes out to see Mr. Darcy at dawn. That's what I think of when I think of the Dawn well. Just like in his little like coat, like looking yummy.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

I'm just glad that yeah, I think it was time for them to not have a dangerous font of power at the middle of their civilization. It never seems to work out. Didn't work out for the night elves. Shard decided to use it to try to summon Sargeris, and it didn't work out for the high elves. Arthus decided to use it to reanimate Kelthazad, and it didn't work out for the Blood Elves. Kalthos decided to use it to try to summon Kill Jaden. And it didn't like.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:05

Do you think sorry a bit of a tangent?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:13

I talked about how the Rift of Auln in Harindar was filled with these creatures which were literally the n remnants of like the nightmares and terrors of the world soul of Azeroth. And the Rift of Awn is also the name of the place where we fought Xavius in the Emerald Nightmare Raid. And it's this part of the Emerald Dream that is like all dark and easily corrupted by the void. And then the normal form of that is the Emerald Dream. Do you think that the Emerald Dream is literally a dream?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:54

Oh, of the world soul.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

Right. I've always thought of it as like this kind of parallel world existing just out of phase with normal Auth, and is like a vision of primordial Azeroth just under the effects of like the wild the natural forces, like what if you know, unaffected by mortals and civilization and whatever else. I remember a long time ago theories of it being that like Freya made it as kind of this almost backup copy of Azeroth.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:33

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:34

In case the world ever had to be like reoriginated, that you'd have this backup copy to kind of reboot the hard drive after you defragged the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:44

Well, and I mean like I'm ragging on the world trees, but there are you know the safe, like making world trees the right way involves the aspects. Like the only time that the world souls or the the world trees have been like sanctioned.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

Well, Hydrol was, but not the other ones.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:06

No, the new one that they made on the Dragon Isles.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:08

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:09

That is now the new one that's been sanctioned by the Aspects, who were given their power by remind me?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

Some bloke and a funny hat.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:19

But it's order magic, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:21

So sorry, as well, Azeroth, and it's not order magic. Was it Nazdormu who commented that it wasn't the Titans' touch?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

The Aspect power or the fact that they're dragons and not Protodrakes?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:37

The the Aspects new power, which came from Azeroth.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:42

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:43

Was not the same power that originally was granted to them by the Titans. It was a different type of power.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:50

So the new world tree is actually the best world tree.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

It's empowered directly. Well, sorry, not directly. The opposite. It is powered indirectly by Azeroth herself.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:04

She's probably sick of like her roots getting messed up. Can you build me like my my cradle has been like you know, it's been recalled several times. Like it's not up to like spec anymore. Can we build me a new cradle that actually like is not going to get my head stuck in the slats so that when I get back into my cradle with the good roots, I could actually be secure.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

I'd be so upset if people just kept going into my bedroom and unmaking my bed. I'd be so mad.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

Who put this heating pad here? It's way too hot. Because the roots are on fire.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:55

Oh, okay. Yep, gotcha. Just some of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:58

Yeah. Well, anyway, we'll it'll be interesting to see where that goes. We're not gonna get any answers anytime soon because next time we're going to we're gonna go to Troll Land. We're gonna have a troll rave.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:12

Troll raid, best raid.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:14

Yes. Oh, I mean all the good expansions have a troll raid, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:19

I don't maybe it maybe it will be connected. Like the trolls worship the wild gods, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:28

Which come from somewhere. Like, why are there wild gods that just spontaneously decided to exist? Maybe that's what happens when the world soul dreams nice dreams.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

Well, apparently scenarios only exists to get way too involved in the personal lives of some very specific elves. Night elves, like, couldn't care less about any other species on Azeroth, just specifically these three night elves. Like, I want to be involved with them.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:08

Well, also, his his dad was Malorn, another wild god, and his mom was Yesera, question mark. There's some there's some Zeus level stuff going on there. I mean she can shapeshift, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:29

Her visage.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:30

Yeah. But yeah, there was some commentary in the Heron Deer quest line. It all kind of culminates. The final thing it asks you to do is go kill Chimeris. Um the boss in like the one boss raid.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:49

You know how you know how women have really crazy dreams in pregnancy? Maybe she just had a a really crazy emerald pregnancy dream.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:04

But so it asks you to go kill Chimeris, and there's comments about like this is what happens when like these nightmares get out of hand and aren't like curated and aren't built and maintained the way that they're supposed to be. And so, yeah, what if Chimeris should have been an old, not an old god, a wild god?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:30

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:32

That if Azeroth was still in her cradle, like working like she sh safe and sound in there like she should be, this would have been a really pretty, like, new wild god for the world. And it's just that she got ripped out of there and everything went kind of sideways. Like, what if the wild gods do come from her? And then if they do, like all the trolls worship them. So we got troll raid, like maybe that'll be some tie-in. We just did all this elf stuff. Trolls and elves are related, like maybe there will be some tie in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:07

And the hair and ear are the missing link, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:10

Well, another link going back to a common ancestor.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:15

I've taught you biologically well.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:17

I just got corrected so many times that I'm not going to say that trolls and elves evolved from hair and ear, but yeah, all three of them share a common ancestor. Seems pretty obvious. I'm just I'm not saying that it has to be related, but maybe it will be more related than historically these kind of sidestep patches have been. Where it's like, let's do a palette cleanse and go do something completely different for a bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:49

Let's go, let's go uh drift with the goblins.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:54

Right. And then the only tie-in there being that Zalatath like was allied with Galiwix and needed him to do something for her. Fix the black, the black heart.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:06

Not mad, it was fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:09

Yeah, so maybe I I could see them tying it in less tangentially if they wanted to. I think there are some hooks there that could be used.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:19

You're talking about wild gods is just reminding me how many of them probably died in the anima drought in the Shadowlands. Poor bear.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

Just get the other bear to come be our new bear god.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:34

No, but the whole fact that like he was a raid boss, and I was like, oh, that's really sad, but it's okay, he'll come back. And then they're like, no, you sent him to the Shadowlands where he was ended.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

And I'm like, that hurts me in my heart.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:55

Nope. Just go get the other bear.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:57

It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:58

She's more disco glowy.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:01

True. So yeah. Lots to look forward to, lots to still do. Digging everything that's going on so far. And my my Hallmark movie is progressing nicely, so the inn might be open for overnight guests in the near future. So until next time, I'm Sinaila.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:29

And I'm Zumanake.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:31

And we hope you have a wonderful evening.