Open Discussions at the Tavern Overpowered Characters

Join Adam and I as we go into our opinions on overpowered characters in media, we talk the good the bad and some ugly ranging from Shangra la frontier and StarWars all the way to the Avatar series and Zelda.

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Oh boy. It is nice to finally close the tavern after all of these weeks. Gonna take a little week off. Enjoy myself some time. No random people breaking through my wall as I look for Michael and Jeremy. No, it should just be fun. Let's go get some spriggin out of the back closet.

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Adam? Oh my gosh! Hi! Adam, what what are you doing here?

SPEAKER_04 0:31

You know, uh you keep on talking about this room. I just wanted to check it out, just hide from you and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

How long have you been back here? No, I've been here for about a week now. How have you been so What happened to my potted spriggin?

SPEAKER_04 0:48

I got hungry.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

That's not gonna help with the hunger, friend.

SPEAKER_04 0:51

Uh if anything, it made me more hungry, so I just started eating all of them.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

Don't work out for how you're gonna pay me about it. Let's get let's let's get you out to the bar seat, my friend. Alright, you might have to help me.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

I'm a little out of it right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Yeah, no, I gotcha, I gotcha. Here, let's sit you down.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Okay. No, well, I get you some food. Man, I was gonna watch some anime, but I've been having some issues with like overpowered characters and like not just anime even, but like shows and everything. Because like I feel like they're either done right or wrong. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:29

Yeah, I totally understand what you're getting at.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Like, realistically, I think one of my favorite animes that does overpowered wrong would be overlord. I like the character Einzigul. Okay, I get like, oh, they told us this backstory in the game. He was like, this guild captain, uh one of the leaders of the guilds, and like they're one of the strongest guilds in the game. So it makes sense he has overpowered items and everything else, but it's like he's just so much stronger that his biggest opponent is himself playing a different class, and he just does things. It's cool, it's cool to watch. I do enjoy the show, but like I don't know, like I'd rather see hit the actual like game that led up into this, if there's ever a chance. Do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 2:32

Are you saying so you're saying that you want more of context of why this character is as powerful as he is? You want you want to see like the progression of like him starting off from being weak and then like not weak per se, but like starting off like in the beginning and then building up to actually justify the powers I think, correct?

SPEAKER_02 2:59

No, yeah, kind of. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's some uh overpowered characters out there where we meet them before we learn their backstory, but again, too, the backstory needs to make sense and needs to make sense for why it wasn't done earlier, otherwise the backstory could be seen as almost a cop-out. Okay, in my opinion. So it's like there are some characters I could think of here in a few minutes that I have backstories that's like, yeah, it explains it, but does it, you know? Right. I don't know. What's what's an overpowered character you can think of, good or bad?

SPEAKER_04 3:42

You know what? One of the people on my list is something that we've covered before, and I'm going to give one example, Buddha from Record of Ragnarok. In what regard? I mean well, he is an overpowered character, but within the within the thing, he as we've seen Buddha before, his backstory lends it to why he is the way he is. He you remember that instead of fighting for the gods, he fought with size and fought for humanity. He was a perfect foil to uh Zero Fuku. The staff that he has, the the his divine treasure that he uses, um changes within his with what well actually we really didn't know where what form would take. We need his divine treasure as a god. Right. I mean that's fair. Um yeah, Buddha from um uh ragnot, I think, is an overpowered character that's done well because he does have his flaws. Uh a good a good overpowered character has to have flaws within within within everything.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

No, I agree with you. Like, I don't and I'll get off of uh anime here in a second, but a character from anime I do think did overpowered right would actually be Rimaru from that time where he got reincarnated as a slime. Holy cow, he's on my list too. Just because kind of like where Adam asked me earlier if I like to see that progression, I do in a lot of ways. Now, it is explained starting off part reason Rimaru had it a lot easier is because he had Veldora's magic inside of him. But he still went on and continued to grow, and unfortunately, one of his strongest abilities being uh gluttony, the ability to just eat, absorb, and take that power. Like that puts him on like Kirby and Majambu levels. Like he his potential is kinda limitless the more he grows. Right.

SPEAKER_04 6:11

But he also he only steps in the fight in as a last resort, honestly. He he tends to let his his the other characters of the story uh his like I wouldn't say minions, but like his he tends to let his the general of his armies or or um Diablo or um I'm so skipping on on the character's name, but the the characters um that are I won't say subordinate, I really do, but they're not really subordinate because they're they're also his friends, they they help him in and everything like that.

SPEAKER_02 6:59

Mm-hmm. No, and you're right, and he definitely does get the support there, but arguably after a certain point, he's so much stronger than all of them, even with all of their power-ups. Like, and he shows that time after time. Part of the reason he can name them is because of how much stronger he is to them.

SPEAKER_04 7:22

Well, he he absorbed Baldora.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Oh, but eventually he regurgitates Bildora too, and he's still that strong. And granted, he went through evolutions after uh before that, but he wouldn't have been able to do that evolution on just Veldoras alone. Like he himself got strong enough to do everything that he was doing, which is he set it out to make himself stronger. Yes, and make the world better in the process, yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

Yeah, he he tends to try to if he can resolve issues in a peaceful way and non-violent, he's going to. But push comes with sub, he if he needs to, well, he's he'll murk a he'll murk his enemy very he's like, well, some, not all.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Now, what are your thoughts on Dracula? Overpower.

SPEAKER_04 8:22

I don't know much about the lore of Dracula to actually do put my two cents worth in.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Now, Dracula is very much a oh like he is the vampire when you think of vampire wars. Um in DD, Stroud is meant to be like DD's version of Dracula. Yes, we we killed Stroud one time. The one that possessed me. Yeah, yeah, the one that possessed you for a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 8:58

Because I was stupid enough to steal his soul into a gem. What I should have done was just chuck that gem off the dragon. Uh you know uh Monday morning Monday morning quarterbacking, I swear.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Yeah. I mean, to be fair, you got catapulted onto a dragon and somehow tamed it. So I think you already had all your luck that day. Moving on. Now, Dracula in the games is always like one of the final bosses. Um, anime, I mean, so many renditions of Dracula in anime, but I think one of my favorites will be the Helsing Abridged as well as the Helsing anime. Okay. But nah, like, I think for the most part, Dracula is done right in the way that they handle the vampire lore and overpoweredness. Because they are supposed to be strong and charming, and they're supposed to have all of these extra powers. Okay. So that's why I'm like, ah, this is what I want to bring to the conversation. Okay. How about overpowered done wrong, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_04 10:10

I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this one. Uh Ray. From the um the sequel Star Wars trilogies. Oh, okay. Ray Skywalker, Ray Palpatine, Skywalker, whatever. Now I can understand Michi's really powerful within like episode eight, and because some time has progressed, but in episode seven, she just discovered that like, oh, she picks up a lightsaber and does all this and is able to harness the force that quickly. That when you see when you compare that with Luke Skywalker, it's understandable sometimes has has passed between say episode five and six, and you have a lot of different other medias for the power of progression that Luke Skywalker has. With Ray Skywalker, Ray Palpatine Skywalker, it's not the same. It's like when you actually watch the movie, she just on just picks up the force like a like that. I I don't buy it. It it took Luke Skywalker a lot longer to learn the force. It look it took Anakin Skywalker, it took Obi Wan Kenobi, it took all these other Jedi masters to master and do all these feats with the force, but Ray, like that, I don't buy it.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

No, I could kind of see it. I can kind of see why uh you have the frustrations there too. Because like and we saw like in uh Star Wars one and Star Wars Episode 4, when we're just learning the start uh Jedi way, you're not that strong with the force. It takes a little while to figure it out. Exactly. Like, and we're talking like Anakin and Luke, who are both born in the force or something like that, right?

unknown 12:27

Right.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

And okay, so Ray's parentage is she's a descendant or a relative of Senator Palpatine or Dark Sidious. Okay, sure, she's got force, the way of the force in her in her midloreans, but I I still don't buy that she picked up the force and mastered it within a movie.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

I do think overpowered done right. And one thing, like, especially when like you're dealing with like some of your villains, you need to show emotion from your villains, right? Like if you're having no right, one who I think portrayed great emotion as well as still remaining overpowered would be Lord Voldemort from the Harry Potter series. I think uh because one through the series we learn in a lot of different ways how he got to where he was. Yes, we also know he's afraid of death and he shows varying uh degrees of emotion when dealing with Harry Potter in different battles and Dumbledore.

unknown 13:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 13:45

Yes, because the way that Voldemort is flawed is that he thinks he's so powerful that he doesn't realize that oh, an elf's magic could be more powerful than his, and he just because it's a house elf, he doesn't look at the house elf as something powerful, or he doesn't understand, like he thinks, like, oh, love isn't necessarily then again. I can explain away him not actually knowing what love is, being that his mother used a love potion. Sorry, he used a love po his his mother used a love potion on his muggle father in order to uh have him fall in love with her, and then Voldemort was born, so he didn't really know what love is. Also, he cannot uh he cannot produce a pertronus. Yes, that is canon.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

If he could, what do you think his pertronus would be? I think a snake.

SPEAKER_04 14:55

Probably or something Yeah, probably a snake. I thought honestly, um I thought when you were gonna go with overpowered characters that are villains done bright, um oh, um I don't know his name. But he's from Hunter Hunter and he's he was just bored powerful, but he's able he if he sees that anything anybody that um less powerful, it's just not worth it, or just instantly kills him. But then he comes across this one character that is this blind girl, and he loses to her in like the in like a chess like game, kind of like Go. In in Japanese or Chinese, I can't remember. And within that time he be he starts to learn human he begins to learn compassion, love, and everything like that, which completely changes his character completely. I think it's the ant king is his name, is his one of his he's a chimera. Wish I would have written his name down on my list, but I thought that's where you were going with that one. I've never actually seen Hunter X Hunter, so I wouldn't have uh neither have I, but I've seen but when it comes to like looking up overpowered characters done right, his name is always on the list.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

That's fair. Now, another villain that I think was a little overpowered but done so well was the here from the legend of Korra.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Okay. Oh, okay. I was gonna say, did I lose you?

SPEAKER_04 16:58

No, no, you didn't lose me. I just I I've not watched Legend of Korra.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Uh I get around to that one.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

I've watched I watched like I've watched the first couple episodes of it, but I just I couldn't find it as compelling as um how it's part of the last airbender.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

No, so for one of the volumes, your uh primary antagonists are the red lotus. Zahir was a member of a special team of the Red Lotus that were assigned to kill the Avatar as a baby, or I think actually technically kidnap the Avatar and train the Avatar to be a Red Lotus Avatar.

unknown 17:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Because of that, the team was made up of an earthbender that could bend lava, a combustion man member, like clan member, but she is a female, and she die and everything. Same type of uh firebendon, though. You have a waterbender who has no arms, so she uses the water to get around and like octopus style and fights like that.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

And then Zaheer in the group was meant to be like the airbending master, but again, there are no airbenders, so he just learned every all the different teachings of airbenders after events in volume two or book two. Um starting off in book three, there is a revitalization of spiritual energy, and a bunch of people wake up one day with the ability to airbend again. Here is one of them. Interesting. So he's somebody that even though he only woke up that same day, he used that to escape a high, like a highly guarded, intense prison that was meant for no escape. He was able to escape it with the use of Airbendan, went out, broke out the rest of the red lotus, and threw different things. One, turned the people to his side, murdered the Earth Queen by sucking the oxygen out of her lung and keeping it around her in a bubble around her head. Oh wow. Um, he defeated Tenzin, Avatar uh Avatar Aang's child in one-to-one, well, mostly one-to-one combat. He did get help at the end, but took down Tenzin, who is a master airbender, and definitely gave Korra a big run for her money. Um psychologically, physically. Like he was, I think, one of her hardest villains. But everything that he was and did, he did with purpose, and there was reason given in the show for like, oh, this is why he's like this. He's one of the few airbenders they can learn to fly without the need of a staff. Because he learned the teachings of the ancient air nomads. Interesting. Yeah, no, it's a really good one. Like, even if you don't watch all Legend of Korra, maybe uh pop that uh season on. It's the third one, it's a good watch.

SPEAKER_04 20:25

I'll have to look into that. I mean, yeah, I I'll have to take a look at that one. I mean, I I did watch partially through book one of Legend of Korra, but I just couldn't get into as much. Um so for me, an overpowered character done right that is a protagonist uh from Shangri-La Frontier. Sunraku, I've mentioned this before, but I'm gonna bring it up again. Alright, so who was it? Uh Sunraku. He's the main character. He's the one that you see in the with the bird mask. Okay. Because in each game that he's playing, he's never he never shows his face. Just like that's that's his that's his stick. And Sun Raku comes from like, oh, he's one of the type of gamers that is a connoisseur of plain trash games. We're talking games that are that has a bunch of glitches, but the storyline is too hard that most characters most people give up on because the the whatever the system of the game system is whack. Whatever. So that's where he drives his experience from. And he finally Like he's finally been it opens up finally him finishing up this one game that again most people just give up after a little while after they just get tired of it. So he walks into the game shop and he sees Shangula Frontier. It's a god tier game. It's the newest one on the market. It's like a lot of people are playing it online. And he's also one of the characters like in in the other games that he's played, he's also had these his two well, not really friends, but two companions that he like that he um that he often plays with these these different games. And he builds his character in Shangulas Frontier as a glass cannon. So and of course he decides he plays it completely differently. Instead of like spawning at the starting town, he starts off he finds himself out in the wild. He goes and fights all these monsters and starts leveling up and leveling up. Finding these unique scenarios, these unique monsters, and if you notice his characters on, he's basically only wearing like a bird manuscraft in pants. And the reason why is he fights like on Knight Slayer Slayer, this wolf character, and he loses. Like this is there no one has beat this character. So he gets all these like marks that does not allow him to equip any gear on that part of the body. And if it does, it gets instantly destroyed. So he's got that going on with him. And a lot of times he has to he has to team up with uh Ancel Gaunt, which is one of his friends, and another character to get through this one, and then he's also found because of him beating certain bunnies or meeting certain Terry, he gets into an unique, another unique scenario. No other character is played, but again, the reason why he's overpowered is because of the experience from other games. He's seen things like he finds a boss like at first and he tries to figure out how to beat it. Like using his experience from other games, like, oh, I've seen this, I've seen these, like, oh how do I do this? Blah blah blah. That's why I think uh Nraku is a good character that is overpowered only because of previous skills from other games that he has played.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Do you know a villain I thought of that only just came to me? That I think was done bad for one reason. Slade from Teen Titans.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

Not that the role wasn't done well, not that the villain wasn't a good villain. And I do think he was a little overpowered for the Teen Titans at those ages. He definitely beat them more times than they beat him, and he outmaneuvered them more times.

unknown 25:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

The reason I think it was done wrong honestly comes from lack of motivation. We never figured out what he was doing there, and the idea that he is deathstroke never even came to the fruition.

SPEAKER_04 26:12

Okay. Yeah, um, yeah, if if a character is doesn't have a motivation, doesn't have limitations, um it doesn't make a compelling character. Another a very good character that is well written because he has a limitation. Um he's weak in the morning, he's weak at night, but at noon is his peak power and his character, um his whole his his the way his character changes throughout the day. I'm going to have to go Eskenor from Seven Deadly Sims.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

Ooh, you're talking about my big daddy Eskenor. Love that game.

SPEAKER_04 27:00

Yes, I am. Yes, because he he's he's super overpowered a certain time a day, but anytime he and he's got it, he's gotta think of his like, oh, he's gotta think about like if you see him in the morning before the sun rises, he's super weak. All during the night time, he's super vulnerable. But during as the sun rises, the sun gets higher in the sky, the stronger he gets. He has limitations, he has a flaw. That's why he's also a good overpowered character, done well.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

I can see that. No, I actually agree with that. I like um even to the idea of like when we find out what his power actually is and being the angel Grace, and he ended up having to give it up for his life, or he took it on and sacrifice. Like, I like it. I'm a little concerned for what they're doing in the spinoff for Escornor, but we will see. I mean, I've been keeping up to date a little bit on the uh four knights of the apocalypse, the spin-off series after Seven Deadly Sins. And I hope they don't ruin any sacrifices.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

Another character that I've got written down that is written wrong is Ellis from the Resident Evil movie franchise. The reason why I say this is apparently when she gets injected with the T virus, instead of going turning into a zombie, she becomes almost superhuman with no limitations. Like whatever is thrown at her, she beats very easily. It's just it's not really a compelling character.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

I can get that. One character um in the franchise that I like in a franchise of games that I do think becomes more overpowered for no reason is um Ganondorf from the Zelda franchise. I kind of think they give it the reasons like, oh, he got the try for, so he becomes ultimate power and destroys the world, or like this and that, but like very few games actually give him legitimate reason for why he's doing it. He's just a bad guy that gets ultimate power and he's just a final boss. And I think it's like final bosses are made to be like overpowered because they're supposed to be just a hard fight, and it's like story-wise, like make it make more sense. The newest Ganondorf, I do think they did better on like the Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf, um, just with like giving him a little bit of story, but even then, like they really didn't. He's still just kind of the bad guy to be the bad guy.

SPEAKER_04 29:58

Another villain is overpowered, done right, is Sephiroth. Final Fantasy VII.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

I've heard a lot of things about Sephiroth, but I've never played the Final Fantasy franchise.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

I know about Sephiroth, he's just such so pulp cul so mainstream pop culture, but I do believe that he's got a motive for what for him being the villain.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

I don't know what it is, but I know that as a god villain, I think Xanza from the Xenoblade 1 Chronicles is actually done right. Because they make him feel like he's a god, and like everything is supposed to be his design. So, like when you do fight him, it doesn't feel out of place or overpowered for no reason whatsoever. It feels like you're fighting a god and you are trying to overcome this god. Also, the twist for uh Xanza was really good if you haven't played the series.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

I have never played uh that game series at all. I know I know a couple of those characters have been in Smash Bros. before.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

Yes, Shulk has made it into Smash Bros. for the Wii U and Switch Ultimate version. Um, and I think he was in the Wii version as well. I do believe so, too, because I remember Pyra and Mithra have also made it into the ultimate version.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

I've got another overpowered character done right, and this is going to be Sherlock Holmes from Sherlock uh BBC. Oh, okay. Now, the reason why I think he's a good over overpowered character or a good character in that sense is he's an extremely intelligent. Like able to think ahead and everything like that, figure out the figure out the the solution to the mystery that he's been in, where he is flawed is he doesn't quite get social cues. He's very socially uh inept. There's also Jack the Ripper, that's a good character, well well written for me for being overpowered. That's in Rector Ragnarok. I know we've covered Jack the Ripper before.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

No, it's definitely not a bad one. I kind of like uh the twist they had with his uh eye abilities to see the souls.

unknown 32:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Kind of like that.

SPEAKER_04 33:00

Yes, is he's the perfect foil to Hercules or Heracles.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Other Jack the Rippers though, they just kind of make him crazy stabby stabby.

SPEAKER_04 33:12

Yeah, but this one he has a motivate, he actually has the backstory that was given to him is like his mother his mother um he was born in a whorehouse. His mother was whore and a lot of times he killed you see a certain color in in like within within with him fighting with him fighting Hercules uh the color was always two different ones. Uh he he never got he never got angry or anything like that. Um and it wasn't until he beat Hercules which is when he saw Hercules' color change within his eyes. He's also had to use his cunning against Hercules versus Hercules' brute strength. Like Zeclipper had to outmaneuver Hercules and set up these trash just to beat him.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

No, I I get that. I don't I don't think you're necessarily wrong on that. Um keeping in mind, like he had the uh oh uh I forgot the term they use for the weapons, but he had like Oh uh Volender, the Volunder weapon. Yeah, his Volender. It was his gloves. So like and that definitely helped him uh even the playing field against the god. But I mean, I don't know. There's there are just so many overpowered characters in so much media. I mean, you could even bring up uh Hades from the uh Kid Icarus series, um, or any of the gods in the Kidakorus series, they're all done really well for the fact that they're gods and they're supposed to feel like gods. Um of the ones uh you can always uh question a bit more. I kind of notice tend to be like horror games and a lot of the idea like why some enemies just have to be so strong, except to just be hard enemies, if that makes any sense. Yes. That does make sense. Anime, you'll find a lot of the overpowered characters tend to be on the protagonist side unless they're a final villain, which again you give good fallacy to the villain. Um, all for one in Shigaraki in My Hero uh Academia. Great examples of overpower done right. They both have fallacies, they both have like narcissistic attitudes, only they can do something type deal. And even to the idea of how they end up ultimately losing is their own downfalls. Yeah, yeah, that tends to happen. Like, I will say, but this one here is a cheap one. Uh, from Death Note, uh the Shinigamis are a little bit overpowered.

SPEAKER_03 36:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Why do I feel like I'm just throwing a bunch out that you do not recognize? You keep giving me these looks.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

Because I've never I don't think I've watched uh Death Note. I've it's on my list.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

We'll we'll get you around to it.

SPEAKER_04 37:07

I apparently get to the breaking room. Yeah, way too closeted on this one. Um something um I think another anime character that is written well because he can defeat any enemy in one punch, which is a frustrating thing that it's like he's always trying to find a character like he's trying to I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Saitama from One Punch Man is a very well-written character because of like he you see you see from he actually trains to get to that point.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

So I kind of went back and forth on that one. I don't think he's as well written, like he's as good as an OP character as uh not. They gave him some reasons for why he's so strong. Like in the lore, like we technically know it's because he broke his limiter. But I also don't think he had a very high limiter to break. Because his regiment isn't like that crazy. Even people who have heard it are like, really, that's all you do. You got this strong, you had to have done something else. Most people don't believe him, but it is what he did to get that strong. I do think it's kind of a cheap one. I think um Jenno is getting his upgrades or some of the other heroes who train more and get stronger and overpowered, show more of that better idea of what overpowered is, but again, too, Sideham is always meant to be like the parody of super strong superheroes that just defeat things in a couple fight uh a couple punches. I mean, if you wanna you wanna talk about a superhero that was done real wrong, superman was overpowered, done wrong. In the Silver Age. Yes, but that's why I'm even bringing it up. He was overpowered, done wrong, to the point that to try to redo him for a more modern age to make stories, they had to place limits on his powers, if not completely remove some of his strengths. But he is still a fighter that had like he's a person that has no limit to him. He is as strong as the writer wants to make him. You want to throw him into the sun, he's gonna come out stronger. Because he's powered by Sun, guess what? Is he supposed to be weaker? But this this writer thinks that he has the ability to jump off the planet somehow.

SPEAKER_04 40:03

Yeah, yeah. Uh I was reading the uh uh Silver Age of Superman had so many ridiculous powers that just like oh he could shoot little Superman's or mini version of him out of his hands, sure, why not? That's gonna work. Like yeah, I I I've read that um Silverage Superman was overpowered, done wrong. It's like he had no limitations. He could do whatever the rider wanted. I will have to agree with you on that.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

But to be fair, I would say it still extends even into modern day. Yeah, they're trying to make him more understandable, but realistically, like without his power limiters, nothing really can kill him. Well, Krypnet can not really. How many times has he died and come back? Way too many. Exactly. I that's what I'm like, even modern-day Superman is kind of overpowered, done wrong. Like, there's very little scare, if none, that if you go see a Superman movie, you're actually gonna watch Superman die for real.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

Well, he was almost he did die in uh Batman versus Superman again for real because he woke up later.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

Into the Justice League, yeah. At the end in the end credit scene, they show the pebbles floating off his grave.

SPEAKER_04 41:41

Yeah, I know. Like he was almost dead per he he resurrected himself, or however he came back.

SPEAKER_02 41:49

But I mean, Adam, I will say this has been a very, very fun conversation. You're gonna have an expensive bill in the mail, though, when you get home. Um, so I'm gonna go ahead and get the door for you. I I need you to go. This was my day off. Okay, yeah, that's fine. Oh, you sound sad. You know what? Before before you leave, how about you do this end off?

SPEAKER_04 42:27

From uh very hot and humid Texas later.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

And from a steam in dry Arizona, that is another channel.