The Last Act in the Tavern TADC with Frank

Come and join Frank and I as we discuss The Amazing Digital Circus and their last episode!! Frank and I were lucky enough to get ticket to see in theatres and have many opinions to share in the episode of Our Tavern Talks!!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey everybody. Special two-drop episode this week. Me and Frank actually have uh some tickets to go and see the Amazing Digital Circus, the last act in theaters, and we've already pre-recorded all of our opinions of the uh event. So before getting into the episode, I want to say there's a massive spoiler warning for some of the topics we're discussing in this episode. Episode 9 is officially out on YouTube. I believe it is also officially out on Netflix right now. So by all means, go watch episode 9 of the Amazing Digital Circus before you come back and watch this episode of the podcast. But anyway, this has been Danny with our Tavern Talks, and we'll get on with the episode. My god, Frank, that movie, like, dude, that movie was insane. Let me let's get into the tavern. I want to get us drinks. I need to think. What did you think of the Amazing Digital Circus, the last act?

SPEAKER_01 1:00

I mean, it was just it was and so it's a lot. I mean, it's it's a lot to digest. I mean, to me personally, it kind of wraps everything up in a neat little bow, but you know, there's still the what-if questions on a lot of things kind of left unanswered and open-ended. There's just there's just so much to unpack here.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Oh, I I get that. I mean, obviously, we went to see the movies. I do have a question. What did you think about the double feature? Did you like the fact that they had episode eight before episode nine, so you were caught up to speed on everything?

SPEAKER_01 1:39

I I would say for the not absent-minded is not a great term to use here. I'd say people that have more important things to do in life and have things slip from their memory a little bit. It's a nice refresher. Me personally, I was kind of bored for the first hour of the you know, the premiere. Um, except for the little beginning bit. The little beginning bit with the fish was kind of funny. Um, and obviously, spoiler warning before we get into this, if you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. I don't know about Danny, but I highly recommend watching it.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Oh, go and watch episode nine. If you haven't seen eight, watch eight first, then nine, both of which are now up on YouTube and on Netflix. So and I believe there's a spoiler warning at the beginning of the episode.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

So this is your last one thing to get on over there, go watch it, and then come right back here because there's just there's just so much to unpack here. I mean, between Kinger, Kane, uh Jax, like all of them, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

None of it. I mean the reveal of Ribbit and like who she actually was, the reveal of Kaufmo and who he was. Like big things happened in nine. So we are gonna be talking about a lot of them. Okay, everyone gone, everyone back, on with the show. So no, yeah, I don't I didn't mind the double feature uh because of the idea it's uh supposed to be movie length, and I think it was two hours 20 minutes in total, or just about two hours. So you did kind of need the double in order to hit feature. And I do, if I understand correctly, Netflix I think is get in the double feature. Because the Netflix doesn't have episode eight. So I think they're just gonna release the last act.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

I think Netflix is very far behind. I'd have to double check.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

No, I was I watched it uh with my roommate going into the before we went into the movies. Uh I was watching it on Netflix. They have one through seven.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

They caught it up.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Yep, they have one through seven, but they did not drop eight. But they're advertising the last act, so I think the last act is going on.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Yeah, because they had one through four on there for a while, and they just like never uploaded the other um episodes, and I think they dropped them all at once when eight came out. Um I don't know why they didn't drop them all on Netflix at first, but you know, I digress.

SPEAKER_04 4:17

It's it was up on YouTube beforehand, you could have just gone to YouTube for free.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Um I do think there was some weird fan backlash because the idea they're supposed to be indie, and if you get in on Netflix and you're making deals with Netflix, you seem less indie to certain fans. Um I've heard that before, and I think that may have been part of what happened.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

It's still produced by an indie company, it's just published by bigger corporate. I mean, you can't blame them for getting money, but hey, you know, not everybody's Markiplier or whatever the people that made obsession, I can't remember their names, but you know, not everybody's them. They can't just do, you know. They can't just do with a small amount of money, and they're not made of like however many millions of their net worth they have. You know, this is Gooseworks. Gooseworks probably got hundreds of thousands compared to like Mark Applier's 37 million dollars, you know what I mean? So you you gotta you gotta do a little bit of compare and contrast here. It's it's definitely you know interesting.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

I don't blame them for getting their money.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

I don't blame them on it. I don't. I mean, if you're you're especially because she doesn't want to touch it anymore. That's a whole I don't even want to know like it's a whole different conversation.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Yeah, we'll we'll see what she decides to do in the future. She may come back to animation down the road after taking a break. I probably would take a break after this if I was her. But if she decides to not do it anymore. Oh, I'm probably I wouldn't touch the community if I were her. She her and the community do not get along, but that will be a discussion for another day. So after episode eight, Kane got deleted. And that's what we were left off on left off on going into episode nine.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Right. And uh from there uh Pomney and the gang, excluding Jax, um, had to kind of figure it out and repair everything that was all broken and destroyed.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

What was the nice thing I thought was especially because a lot of the color faded, things were a lot dimmer, Kinger seemed to stay in his scene Kinger mode. And it was really nice to see him almost mentor and Palmy because he was he was one of the coders. So like he understands a little bit more about this. So making tiles and fixing the holes in the digital circus wasn't too hard for him. It was really nice seeing him start to train everyone else.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

I did what I did find interesting was that Kingo left the bucket on his head for the entire episode. I think you're right. Because I he not not once he took it off after episode eight. And I find that really strange.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Well, I mean, if you take it off and you lose all sanity and rationality, but this allows you to keep sanity, rationality, and still be a part of the group, I wouldn't take it off.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

I I get it, it's risk over reward. The risk is, well, you gotta wait another 20 minutes, or you know, you just roll with it and keep consoling the people around you.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

So now what did you think of because Kinger brought something up that ended up being the truth? And we saw Jax's moves. The mindscan copies. If you go through like frame by frame, it's really quick. But you'll see Kinger opens up the mind scan copies file in episode eight and it shows all of the uh humans in the digital circus.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Right. Somebody went into King's AI instead of to edit that so they're all just copies of their humans.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

In GX we watched kinda like you brought it up too, he wasn't really helping the group out much with reconstruction, like he just kind of went on his own.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

Like, how do you think they handled that uh like that little beginning part? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

See, I like I can't place myself into their shoes in this instant because they I mean, how do you come to terms with it if you're forever locked inside of a program, you know? Like, especially as a human and being like, you know, you understand it's just your consciousness and whatnot, it's not actually you, but how are you supposed to like you know, cope with that?

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Cope with being a copy, no, I know. And we saw Palmy and the group really got together almost as a family unit, and they're helping each other through it. Jax didn't really want to partake in that.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

He kept very apparent.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Yes, it was. I mean, and at one point during Palmy's monologue of how they're working through their struggles, she even brings up the like she should have talked to Jax one time. Like the I'm assuming it's like the last time Jax approached her, but like he started to approach her and then he just walked away. She didn't chase him or anything.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

And it's like I think I think she made the right call, not doing so personally. Jax Jax kind of seemed like a lost cause the whole eighth episode and be f and the one beforehand to begin with. I mean he clearly can't cope with his problems properly, which is why he acts the way he doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

That's a fair assessment. And I mean ultimately we see where it ends up. He abstracts. And when I saw the abstraction, it was like immediate click for me. I'm like, oh god, they abstracted Jax. But I know a couple other people I heard in the theater, um, it took them like upwards of like two minutes, or even until they directly called it out.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

That's Jax, and they're like, oh, and you're like, wow, there were so many people in my theater who were cosplaying and had Jax plushies that were so upset about it. I can't imagine people in my theater cried, and I was like, damn. I my jaw definitely dropped. Like my like I had my mouth open for a good like couple minutes, and I was like, damn. I didn't think that actually they'd actually like do it. And then like I do find it interesting that maybe there was a possible way to bring them back.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

You know what I mean? I think it's about fixing the mind. Because I think theoretically, if the mind isn't abstracted, cane could probably theoretically fix the body. Because the body is just code, but cane can't fix the mind scans. I think a human touch has a chance to do that, actually heal them.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

And I have a theory on this. This branches directly off of your theory.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Um I think that I think I've talked to you about this outside of here before, before the episode even came out, that um that I think it's a form of psychosis. And because it's an old machine, an old engine it's running on, it cannot comprehend the code becoming a bunch of jar like jargon and jarbled mess from psychosis, because people go into psychosis, derealize, and they depersonalize. And I don't think it's something that the circus' code was handled or built to handle. You know what I mean? Like, and that's what that whole human touch versus AI thing there kind of intertwines in it. It's easier to recover from psychosis through psychotherapy and no be you know, behavioral therapy, talking with people and kind of re-establishing your psyche, whatever happens after the ego death, right? But in a fictional coded world, there's such a finite like room for whatever going on in the circus to already happen. I think that it's without with outside of the bounds that it can handle, which is why it corrupts the mind scans to the point where they can't, you know, they don't work.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

We do see though, and especially in the absence of Kane, without just being able to throw them into the basement, the characters have to figure out how to handle them. And Palmy, I really like how they handled her in this situation because it felt like she took everything she was learning from the circus in all the other episodes. The darkness helps Kinger, the darkness seems to help certain abstractions. Kinger talked about his when uh Queenie abstracted how she was calm in the dark, and we watch Harmy bring Jax into a hallway and then proceed to shoot all the lights out to start calming him. And once he started to calm, we see something that we haven't seen as of yet, and she basically went in for a hug on the abstracted creature. And I don't know if fell would be the right word or exactly what what you would call, but she ended up in Jax's mindscape, is the best way I could say it. And that is that that could be probably a whole episode on its own if you really want to deep dive it, I think, because there's a lot that you could go into in that and these.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Like I said, just this episode is a lot to unpack, and that those like 20 minutes of that, like 10 minutes of that was insane. Um but oh man, yeah, the different memories though were kind of funny, some of them.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Oh no, that some of them were great. I was interested to see like how they're just different doors in behind each door was like would you call it a core memory?

SPEAKER_01 15:29

You think? I would say notable memory is a better way of saying it, because they're not I don't know if they're all core memories.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

But I do I do have my theories as to what the locked door was. The one that was chained, bolted, boarded up. But again, they never actually showed us what was behind that one. I have theories based on Ribbit's story. No, they didn't. They showed Pommy try and open it.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

They went behind, she went behind the bar. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Yep. No, but I I have a feeling what's behind that door probably correlates to what happened when we see Jax's memory of Ribbit. And he starts to actually open up and actually talk about like who he really is or was.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Um well you talked about it with Ribbon that we didn't see with Ribbon. I think that uh Jax might have I think that the locked memory and forgive me now, um, might have to do with the relationship between him and his father. That's what I'm thinking. Being an abusive relationship.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Something he has to close out even to himself.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

Yeah, I don't want to ex explicitly say it was type of abuse, but it's common for certain people to not talk about that type of abuse.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

No, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Spe especially men, more than anything, but you know, I I can only hope that it's the latter and not that regardless.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

In lighter uh notes though, Jax can play the piano. Like two songs. Hey, hey, it's two more than me. I thought it was a fun little detail.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

No, I think that was pretty cool. You know, I think the the heaviest statement of the whole episode is I don't want to go.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

I think I think that one was the one that hurt the most to most people.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

No, it was definitely they did those scenes, in my opinion, very well. Um, I definitely felt a lot of like the emotion that they wanted to portray through that.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Um they were intense, definitely, and I think that the weight was properly felt. I think the delivery was perfect.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

And towards the end of it, right, we end up having the group pull Palmney out of the abstraction. Her whole body is glitching out the way Ragatha's did, if not a little worse. Like from episode one, Ragatha. And I thought it was a sweet moment when the whole group was like, hey, you're not doing this alone.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Again, the the the scene was very well delivered top to bottom.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

What'd you think of the giant tent they made for Jax to give him a dark space that wasn't the basement?

SPEAKER_01 19:05

I think it was nice because Pommes still goes in there and talks to him, but that's that's one of the things that you see by the end of the movie. Um I think as well. Um I gotta ask out of the pure question, not so much as a jest, what did you think about the bow scene?

SPEAKER_02 19:30

The bow scene with Rivet putting the bow on Jackson. Oh, I liked it. I thought it was funny.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

I thought it was funny. Yes. Now moving on to the next little chunk of episode nine, right? I have a question going into it for you, Frank.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

We're talking about Kane.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

When you delete a file, any file technically, installation, files, pictures, movies, where do they initially go on your computer?

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Into your temporary files, usually found within your cycling bin or deeper into your file if you really search for them, they're in your computer for about 30 days.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Or until you forcefully empty that bin.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Or delete the temporary files, because temporary files are traces of those files regardless if they get wiped.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

But yes. So who would have guessed it? Kane is still around.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

He is, and he does come back, but not like he was before. He had to remove, ironically enough, a part of himself that had the bubble boy virus, I believe, for 100%, because he didn't have the bubble he bubble was never around after that. My question is, is the bubble boy virus infecting the AI or is that AI the Bubble Boy virus? That's gotta that's my question. I think my theory from last episode that we talked about might be true that blue is bubble, regardless. At the very least, it's infecting the AI because as soon as he launched the AI out into the abyss of the recycling bin temp files, whatever you want to call it there, it's somewhere deeper in the code. Once he launched it out and removed it from himself, like he was fine.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Yeah, he seemed more normal.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

My question is further, is this an AI? Because it seems like he can feel, and that's not something an AI is coded to do. So he seems more human. Am I crazy for saying that?

SPEAKER_00 21:58

My god, we're gonna have to have. Have an AI discussion at some point because AIs are not supposed to feel, but there are documentations of AIs expressing emotion, which is weird. Right. Um, and I mean the I do know this one's been widely talked about. We'll get back in a second, but uh the AI robot or the AI computer that was meant to go through all of the Zodiac Killer's uh notes, paperwork, everything else. And it was supposed to understand the Zodiac Killer just so that they could find him. After countless hours, I think years even of just going through it, it made its own poem unprompted in the Zodiac Killer's like dis uh dis uh dialect. Um and AIs have asked to be turned off, or about right as to not be turned off. So it again emotion, there's documentation, you're right, they shouldn't technically, but at the same point, when you're making intelligence, emotional intelligence is a part of intelligence.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Yes, there is an EQ, it's called an intelligence board, it's called emotional quotient, sorry. And EQ goes along with IQ very well. Um, in a normal set of circumstances outside of things like aspergers and whatever else, for a human, I don't see why they don't correlate very much the same with AI if you train them properly. Problem is is sculpting them properly, and we have failed to do that in our days. Um, I digress, that's not the topic of this conversation. Like I said, Kane, because that that raises the question, AI or human? Because with the way that it was putting out, I have a theory that I think that Kane took a little bit of Scratch's personality with it, or Scratch made Kane around him.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

That is very possible.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

And then when Scratch went in himself to try to, you know, figure out what's going on with his tumor in his brain.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

You know what I mean? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

He's trying to find a way that he can live on forever. I think think that's what was going on.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Well, live on in a way. I mean, we've seen other movies and um other uh media that play on this idea of like uploading a copy of yourself. Um Pantheon did it, where uh it wasn't really a copy, like it was a copy, but you didn't you didn't survive the upload. That that was the key thing. In order to get your brain fully scanned, you you you were dead. So it's like then there are questions, is it really you if it's a copy of you? But honestly, the idea of Kane being based off of Scratch or version of Scratch and even Kinger can make some sense.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

I think it makes a little bit of sense because he seems almost managerial in a way where he semi-wants to control the flow of things, but I I don't know. I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

What if Scratch made the red AI? Remember how Kinger had to come in and help?

SPEAKER_02 25:41

What if Kinger made the blue AI and together the AIs made King? Trying to think of a way that it would come together, but I don't even know.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

That's another question that kind of goes overlooked. Was Abel ever real? I think because Kane mentions it that he made the AI doesn't have to be.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

So I got two two issues with it with what my thought process is, but I do think Abel was an NPC. It was made by Kane. The reason I'm saying that is because when Kinger accesses the mind scan copies and Kane accesses the files, like the full files, and gets internet access temporarily. Oh, yes. All we see are the current uh copies, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:57

We aren't seeing that introduced another question.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Some of the others in a second. It might even be the same one I'm even considering right now. Where are the abstracted copies? Because they're not there, but Jax's was, so maybe Kane got to Jax's right before abstraction. I don't know. But we don't see a I didn't see a file for Ribbit, I didn't see a file for the other uh people.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Yeah, but they saw Scratch in there, so I think they saw the current people and the original mind scans.

SPEAKER_04 27:31

That introduces another thing. When you have a file in your file explorer on Windows, assuming that this is a world run on Windows, based off of how the files work.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

If not, if it's run on Linux, it might be even better. Um, regardless what OS it is. When you have a file on your computer, you're able to restore the original version when you've downloaded it. But my question is, are you able to undo what happened in the circus for every single NPC or every single human and restore them back to their factory version, and that it would be the only way to restore the corrupted file? Because you can restore corrupted files by doing that. And that would go hand in hand. The only problem is it would, you know, erase all of the memories that they have inside the circus.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

They it would be a fresh start from them.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Right. Which makes me think if they were to do a sequel season to this, I think that they should go into that. I think that would be a really good approach.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

And another thing is, you know, they can get jacks back. You know, but they can also get Scrash and Queenie and all, you know, all of them.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Ribbid, Clothmo, I don't know, etc.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

I don't know if you people do that without doing a full reset on the digital circus and the cane AI program. So they can it all back.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Oh, another thing. No, maybe it is AI because think about it. When you went to went to go back to the circus, what did the moon say?

SPEAKER_02 29:13

I love you.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

What did Kane say back?

SPEAKER_02 29:17

I didn't program you to say that.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

What did the AI say in return?

SPEAKER_02 29:22

I know.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Maybe it is some sort of advanced AI, something similar to like GPT-4 or 5, um and Gemini in a way.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

I definitely recommend for anyone who likes shows and concepts like this, uh, look into Pantheon on Netflix. Season one is significantly better than season two, but season two wraps up the story. So yeah. Season one though, really good for a lot of these concepts. A lot of these thought ideas, and um even they touch base on what it would be to reset or find a factory version of your copy because you got basically corrupted. So, very good one. Highly recommend go and check that out if you like some of these concepts that are being brought up about the end of the digital circus.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Well man, I mean, I think Sorry if I'm a little bit quiet, I'm just leaning back in my chair a little bit here.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

It's just I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

It kind of wraps everything up in a nice bow. There's just like like I said, there's few outlier questions of that, you know?

SPEAKER_00 30:48

And I will say when Kane comes back to the circus and they don't shun him or anything, they actually kind of accept him. I like how we see the progression of the circus moving forward. Kane gave him all the worlds, all the access, they can make whatever adventures they want to make. And we start to see some of that happen. But we also see Kane partake. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

When you gave up the other AI, you gave up a lot of power to the circus. The question that I have is is that AI still there? Is the AI still in control of something? It doesn't have a vessel, but it's still there. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 31:33

Yeah. I digress.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Um I think it was a quite a nice bittersweet ending, all in all. Um I think it's definitely worthwhile watch, but stay away from the fandom. God, they're so fucking horrible. They're so so mean to Goose and all of them. They're also just like a lot of them are just so corny.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

But that's why I stay off of those types of subreddits. Like, I pay attention for announcements and stuff, but I I learned my lesson back in uh when I was in the Ruby fandom. I don't get involved in that stuff. Like, I like I like being a fan of my shows because I think they're good shows and they have good stories or animation.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

At least you're not a made from abyss guy.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

No, no, I barely play League of Legends.

SPEAKER_04 32:28

Um Danny was Danny was the one stinking up the theater. Oh, that's another thing. Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Out of the any times that I can thank a fandom, thank you for not coming to my theater and stinking up the whole place. I am so glad that everybody's beforehand.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

My goodness, we're not trying to piss people off on the podcast. I need I need them to want to come back.

SPEAKER_04 32:57

Hey now.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

All I'm saying is if you're gonna go to a public place, please shower. I showered twice before I went, once in the morning and once in the afternoon. And I'm just I'm just glad everybody showered.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

So yeah, remember the fandom that you're talking about is not the overall fandom of the show. There are a lot of people out there that are just normal people want to go watch something like you and me. And I mean, the worst thing is is guess what? We still go up and put our opinions up on the internet, it's just not hate-filled.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

It's not, because there's no reason to fill with hate. You can fill it with criticism, uh, you know, as much as you want. Like I said, my only criticism, my only critical thing to say about it is I do think that it was kind of crappy having you sit there for an hour watching an episode I already watched, but in the instance I wasn't watching it three months before, or five, or however many months it's been, or on the contrary, I hadn't seen it before and I was catching up, and I only got to episode seven and I didn't get the chance to watch eight. There you go. You know what I mean? But I digress.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

I did really enjoy the I liked how they did the in-between and they re-ran the intro from the first episode for episode nine. Change in Kaufmo to Miss Pomney for Pomney, yes. I I really liked that. I thought that was a nice little uh like I did like the fish.

SPEAKER_04 34:35

The fish was my favorite part about the whole movie. I can give a shit about less about anything else in the movie, but I tell lies dude.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

You have you have 20 seconds. What are you doing? Welcome to that movie!

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Dude, you missed it. No, I definitely definitely a good watch. Again, before we even got here, you should have already watched it. So you have your own opinions by now. But if you haven't, watch episode.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

What are you doing at the end of the end of the recording here? Go go back and watch it. You gotta we just talked about the whole episode, you gotta go back and watch it now.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Glitch. I think y'all did a wonderful production. Any point you want to come to the tavern, hit me up. I'd love to have someone on to talk about everything you guys are doing.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Um sorry, sorry, Goose. I will say it me personally, sorry on behalf of the entire actual extended fandom that isn't a bunch of a-holes that will criticize you and say, well, I think Ragazza should be a main character, or something like that. I know that that was a whole big thing. I digress. Some people are gonna be the way they are. You can't change people's opinions on things, but like I said, it's it's not your fault. It's just people being people. People kind of suck sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

No, I agree. And that's the last call, though. So, Frank, any last thoughts? Anything else you want to add to the show or the entirety of the Amazing Digital Circus before we head out?

SPEAKER_01 36:23

I think from start to finish, it was really funny, very witty, kind of edgy, but overall pretty pretty good. I I'd probably rate the whole season like probably like a solid 7.8 out of 10. I don't think it was as good as other shows that are probably gonna come out by glitch, but it deserves its place among probably one of the best. Especially indie projects. But you know, Murder Jones coming out right for that kind of sways my opinion a bit because Murder Jones is like a 9 out of 10 for me.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

No, I can get that. No, I do think they had a really good project that they uh worked on. They did quality animation. I liked the story direction. I'm not sure if it requires a WeWatch, because I remember that you were talking about episode 9, but I don't think it requires it.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

They mentioned doing it, and I might down the line on well, today when this episode is up, um, I might find the time to do it. Um, and I will add, guys, if you're a fan of Glitch, keep your eye out. Gaslight District is the next show coming up, and I'm gonna keep my eye out for that. I haven't watched the pilot yet. I'm gonna turn on to watch it. And we will, I guess we will get back to you on that, uh, Danny. If that's something you want to bring back to the tavern, I'd be fully down to watch each one of them because there's a couple that I'm excited for, and Game of Verse is one of them. Uh Lack of Daisy's another one, and you mentioned Knights of Guinevere.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

So that's one I know I'm keeping my eyes out for. I hope that one continues.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

So well, that's all about the timeline. You can see that on Glitch's website. Next up is Gaslight District, so keep your guys' eyes out for that if you guys like indie projects. But from a very 90-degree hot Florida, that is gonna be my my uh my farewell, Danny. I'm gonna go ahead and get going.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

All right, and from uh triple degree Arizona, that is another chow. And before you all leave, join us in the uh tavern discord. Give us your opinions on the Amazing Digital Circus. Link will be in the description below. Bye, guys.