Episode 8: Iceberg Ahead... or Something More Sinister

In this episode, we dive deep into the mystery behind the RMS Titanic sinking- but not the version you learned in school. Was it really just an iceberg, or is there more beneath the surface? From the chilling "Olympic switch" theory to whispers of insurance fraud and powerful figures with something to gain, we're unpacking the conspiracies that refuse to go down with the ship. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Hello, everybody. This is Jess. Welcome to episode eight. And this is Ashi. So we are going to do something, I hope, fun. We're going to get everybody, everybody's mind blowing.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

We're going to be balls deep in conspiracies today.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

So the conspiracy we're going to talk about today. Yeah, we wanted to do a funny segment of conspiracy theories. We thought it would be fun. Especially because I think we have like some things that we agree on. And I think other things are like, wait, what? Some things I haven't even heard of. She's lived under a rock, everyone. All right. So the conspiracy that we picked today to discuss is the Titanic. So we all think we know what happened to the Titanic, right? Ship hits iceberg, sinks, people die.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

The lovebirds. Yeah. They have to choose the life raft. Jack and Rose. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Boring ass fuck you. I cried.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

I did not. I was bored to tears. I cried. Maybe I did cry.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

So you cried at least. Yeah, I cried like a little bitch. Um, all right. So there have been several conspiracies behind what really happened to the Titanic. So I'm gonna go through them and we'll discuss them each. And you can tell me what you think, okay, or what you believe, or whatever, and what you've heard. Okay. So one of the theories is the Titanic was switched with the Olympic. Okay. So the Olympic was its sister ship, all right. And it was disguised as the Titanic for an insurance scan. So why people believe it is because the Olympic had been damaged before and wasn't profitable. So they had this sister ship, it had already been damaged and it just wasn't a profitable or whatever you want to call it. Um, they looked identical, and the switch would allow the company to collect a huge insurance payout. Okay, so some of the reality checks or whatever that people try to argue is that there were structural differences between the ships. So I heard support holes, layouts that they didn't match the wreck, and then the other issue would have been that thousands of workers would have had to stay silent. But I don't know. So, could a company really pull off something that massive without beaks? Would money motivate people to risk thousands of lives? Yes. And do you think powerful companies could get away with something like this today? Yeah, and I think they have, they have. So that's the first conspiracy. So if you think about it, do you think that's possible to swap it with a sister ship?

SPEAKER_00 3:10

So what I've heard of the Titanic is that the Titanic was not fully insured, so maybe that's why they used the sister ship, right? Um, because well, like if they were using the Titanic, would they have done it? Or did they do it because the ship was already not doing that hot? Right. And also if the workers know about it, why would they voluntarily put themselves on that ship?

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Agreed. And I don't know if by saying that that thousands of workers would have to stay silent if they are referring to ones that built the ship, or if they're referring to workers that were on the ship because pretty much everyone died.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Right. So and also, or maybe the workers didn't even know they could be like, oh, the Titanics like needs something, so we're just gonna use the ship today, and they probably think nothing of it. Exactly. And I think that once something happens in a company, not everybody knows about that. A hundred percent. You know what I mean? So they were probably probably left like in the DOS to that information, and they just went about their day, like, oh, Pads gonna do what they actually do, but on a different ship.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

Exactly. Um, so the second number two conspiracy is JP Morgan canceled last minute. So the claim is apparently that a that banker JP Morgan planned the trip. He owned the company and then canceled right before departure because he knew something would happen, supposedly. Now, why this is suspicious is um he owned the company White Star Line, which is the Titanics company, okay. And then the fact that several wealthy, influential people who hosed the Federal Reserve died on board. So you had all these people who didn't want the Federal Reserve to start, you know, to they didn't want it, and all those people were on board, and then apparently JP Morgan stayed behind due to health reasons, but was reportedly seen out and about when the titane.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

So when I first heard about the Titanic, I heard it was because there was like two people going against each other, right? Yeah, I don't was it the Rockefellers?

SPEAKER_02 5:34

I think it was, if I if I remember correctly.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

I'm not so sure about that, so don't quote me on that. But that they were on the ship and they were like rivals, right? Yeah, so he whatever like planned for the Titanic's break. Right. Or yeah, whatever, crash and then everybody dies. Get rid of this competition. I did hear that. Not that the movie is like super like truthful and like to a T about what actually happened, but right. I think Jack was the only poor motherfucker on that whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Oh, yeah, seriously.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Like the rest were so rich.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

I mean, they had remember the underground like part of the ship where they where Rose went with Jack and they were all dancing. So I mean, there were not as wealthy people on that ship.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

I don't even remember. Was he he wasn't working on there? How did he get no?

SPEAKER_02 6:25

He remember he was trying to get a ticket and he like jumped on the boat right as they were leaving. He like bought a ticket in a bar somewhere and like got on the ship right before like it was departing.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Worst purchase he's ever made.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Benny's regretting that now. Um yeah, so what and and that's actually right here. It says like a discussion question. Do you think powerful people ever orchestrate events to remove opposition? Yes, hundred percent, hundred percent every day, it happens.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

And I out of all the conspiracies of the Titanic, that's the one I believe in all. Yeah, I think it has to do with powerful people, money, the rich, all of that.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

I agree. So it kind of ties into um this one, which is the Federal Reserve Connection. So the claim apparently is that the Titanic sinking was part of a plan to eliminate these wealthy individuals who again oppose the creation of the Federal Reserve. So if you have someone standing in the way of the Federal Reserve, you know, and it's all these people who have power, right? You know, what better way to get them on this big luxurious ship?

SPEAKER_00 7:44

And then just fucking crash.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

So and how did they know there was gonna be an iceberg? Or did they just like derive until they found one?

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Well, and that's the thing, like according to the movie, you know, they had radar and stuff, but I I guess it was last minute and it just You can't see that big ass hooking expert, yeah. And it it just it and and I'll get into this, but the whole fact of it being indestructible. Remember that whole thing about it can't sink, yeah. And that was like the biggest storyline that's the Titanic couldn't sink.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

Yeah, I heard things about like that, and that really happened the way it said it was happening. Um, that boat would not have gone down that quick because of something that size.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

That's what I'm saying, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

And they did not have enough rafts for everybody's like you have a capacity of so many, but you don't have enough left press, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Exactly. Exactly. And so there's a couple of names here mentioned.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Like if I got on a plant and they're like, okay, everybody has a fucking water vest or a safety vest and a mask, except for this seat that you're sitting in, I'd probably be like, fuck not. Exactly, like a little chance of us going down, but that would be my luck, right? I would say okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:08

So a couple of the names that were mentioned that were on the Titanic was a guy named uh John Jacob Astor. And apparently he was an American investor, writer, and real estate developer. He died on a Titanic and he was a member of the wealthy Astor family and is known for establishing the first U.S. private monopoly.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

He was not boys are illegal.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yeah, he was a lieutenant colonel in the Spanish American War. So he apparently was like a big, a big Whig who died on the Titanic. So that kind of checks out, and then there's another name that was mentioned, which is, and I I've definitely heard this name, um, Benjamin Guggenheim. Have you ever heard Guggenheim?

SPEAKER_00 10:05

That sounds like a beer that we sell at work, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Maybe he maybe he like created it. He was an American businessman who was a wealthy member of the Guggenheim family. He was amongst the prominent American passengers aboard the British. All right, well, yeah, but what did he do? Like, why was he so special?

SPEAKER_00 10:26

And I'm just curious on how they marketed this. Like, oh, every single rich business person, we have one cruise for you.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Okay, there's gonna be nobody else on here.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I and that's why I think like they a lot, well, not allowed, but I think like that's why they had to have a section for poor people too. Make it look a little more yeah, realistic, you know, like damn. If you knew all this stuff was going on with like the Federal Reserve, and you had like power and wealth, you wouldn't be suspicious, like getting on this ship, but then again, arrogance, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Yeah, maybe like, oh, I got on the ship because I'm rich.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

So apparently now you're dead. Yeah, exactly. Now you're dead.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Rest in peace.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

Um, so apparently, this Guggenheim guy, he was a businessman and member of a wealth uh of the wealthy family. Um, he and his valet famously refused lifeboats, dressed in formal evening attire, and remarked they were prepared to go down like gentlemen. Um, after ensuring his mistress and her staff were in a lifeboat, he changed into his finest clothing. He stayed on the sinking ship to help ensure women and children first. So, this is my issue with Google when I look up these names. It's like, who the fuck? Who how how do we know this?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Right. Like, was there a source? I think some people that survive, yeah. Are they gonna be like he changed his finest clothes? But why are you doing all that when this the ship is going down? Let me put on my best clothes so that nobody can find me at the bottom of the ocean.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

I think it's like uh a uh what do I wanna say? Like what's the word I'm trying to think of? Um like a filler? No, like um what's the word I'm trying to think of? Like it's um not like a respect thing, but like a big word I'm trying to think of. Frick. It's pissing me off. I can't think of the word. I don't even know how to say this guy's name.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

What's he?

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Isidore and Ida Strauss.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Oh, Isidore and Ida Strauss.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

Okay. Well, he was a German-born American politician and businessman who was a co-owner of Macy's department store. He served over a year as a member of the United States House Representative of the state of New York. Period. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

I think a lot of them were from the city. Didn't it start in the city? Like that's where the ship looked from.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Yeah. Um, apparently his body was never found. But then it says remains were brought to New York and are now interred at Lawn Cemetery in the Bronx.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

So they were never found, but they were the Bronx?

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Yeah, it says, oh, only the body of him was discovered.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

What else were they looking for?

SPEAKER_02 13:51

I think his wife, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

Yeah. So he was found, but his wife. She refused to leave her husband. I witnesses last saw them together on deck. Her body was not among the recover. But apparently his body was recovered. Which is a whole other thing. When people actually like rescuers came out. You know, it's just, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Where did they go down?

SPEAKER_03 14:29

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

So why people connect the dots to this one while you look that up is because all the people pretty much were wealthy and influential. And the Federal Reserve was created right after the Titanic went out in 1930.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

That's convenient.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

I know.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

So they went down southeast of Newfoundland, Canada. But where were they trying to go? Oh, it was supposed to go to England to New York City. It says the ship was on its maiden voyage from Southampton, England to New York City when it struck the iceberg. So did it start England?

SPEAKER_02 15:23

I thought it started in the city. That doesn't make sense. I don't recall it starting in England.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

No, I'm gonna look at the map.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Yeah. Yeah, I mean keep in mind the map was different back then, too.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

So they want to cross and down instead of just going at an angle. Alright, I'm not the pilot, but period.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Pilot.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

The captain, the sea captain. I'm not the pilot. Also, thanks, Titanic, for littering our ocean.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

I know, right? It's where it all began.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Where way to go? Where are you?

SPEAKER_03 15:59

Plates and garbage and everything else. Nice beer cans.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

All right, so kind of ties in, but another conspiracy is obviously the iceberg wasn't the real cause. Um, that the iceberg didn't actually sink it, it was weakened beforehand, which we first discussed.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Um, but this is saying that it was the Titanic, but that it was weakened, like the actual Titanic was that apparently a coal fire in the ship's hull weakened the structure before impact. Um, poor quality materials were made, which made it more vulnerable. Um, apparently there was evidence that there was a coal fire reported before departure. So why would you leave? Exactly. So was the was those fires started intentionally and they got it out and like put the fire out, and then they still decided to leave without checking it.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

That's negligence, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

And you would think that they'd be able to sue, but they didn't survive.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

This is why it's so hard to believe that this whole situation was ironic. Because how are you gonna have all these people, like you said, that voted no against the Federal Reserve and then conveniently I know hit the ship, but guess what?

SPEAKER_02 17:22

The ship was already broken, exactly, and I I do believe that. I believe that a lot of these people were opposed to the Federal Reserve because they knew it would just cause too much chaos.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

So, moral of the story say yes to everything, and your life will you'll keep it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Um, so apparently, like again, there was a coal supposedly uh coal fire reported before departure, which is highly suspicious that it was reported before departure. Because in the movie, weren't they already didn't they already depart when there was that weird fire underneath?

SPEAKER_00 18:11

I don't know, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

I remember it like the fire starting and and they were trying to get it out, but they were already, and then that supposedly caused issues when they hit it. But again, if it was indestructible, it just it just doesn't it doesn't make sense, it does not make sense, and and it I mean if you think about it, so it was ran on coal, which would make sense for the timeline, yeah. But even if there was a coal fire, I mean we're talking it was built to run on coal, right? So the steel, unless they use bad materials, faulty materials, or maybe they just what didn't close the coal shack properly, yeah. Um, so the re they say that the iceberg impact is well documented. By who who documented that there was an iceberg, right in the middle of the fucking ocean, yeah. Which which is possible that there, you know, icebergs, especially back then, you know, like how everything, just the layout of everything. But I just you know, even if the captain called in saying there was an iceberg ahead, wouldn't you be able to see that?

SPEAKER_00 19:45

Because if it wasn't big enough for you to see it, then how is it even gonna do anything to the Titanic?

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Yeah, uh like I said, apparently fog was an issue, and and they tried to turn last minute, supposedly. Um I don't know. I I feel like it was a cover-up, and apparently one of the theories is that the unsinkable narrative was a setup. So apparently the Titanic was intentionally overhyped as unsinkable to create shock value when it sank. I a hundred percent can see that because that's what they do nowadays too. They set this up, you know, and they give you all this hype, and then it's like it's it's like to control the masses, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

It's like and they don't think anybody's actually gonna like really do research about this and try to put the pieces together, right? Well, especially back then, like a lot of people are very sheepish, yeah. They are, I can say that sheepish, yeah, okay, and they'll just believe what they hear, which is fine. I fall victim to that a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

But it's easy to, especially when you have people in power who are telling you this stuff, right? You know, so it obviously amplified media attention and shocked the world because it everyone was told it was unsinkable.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

So somebody, I'm reading this right now. It says somebody said that they crashed because the lookouts that they have did not did not miss the iceberg because they lacked binoculars. They were missed due to a moonless night, calm water, and lack of warning.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

There's no lights on the boat.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

100% there is. Calm night. I mean, you know, I've seen video footage of people like nowadays, like when that when it's a moonless night out in the middle of the ocean like that, it's very creepy. Like it's it's very eerie, it's very weird. You can't see a foot in front of you, even with like lights on the boat. So typically they have them like big ships like that where they go in a circle.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

You know what I mean? And so I don't know how they would. You know, where there's literally no moonlight, it is pitch black out there. I've as I've never experienced that. So I guess I could see maybe the where they wouldn't see it so far ahead, but I feel like if you have lights in such a big ship like that, you know, because everything's lit up, right? I just I don't see how they wouldn't have, especially with a lookout, how high up it is.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

And because icebergs are typically white, when the light when the light shines off of them, wouldn't they like like a reflection or something? Wouldn't you be able to see it better than if it was black?

SPEAKER_02 23:15

I would think so. I would think so.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Oh I know.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Do you think public trust manipulated for profit or attention?

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Profit.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Um maybe not profit in the long run, but I mean in the short run, but in the long run, yes, they are making profit because they get the federal reserve, right? And JP Morgan, a banker, yeah, loves that shit. Yeah, he wants to stick his dick in it all day long, dude. He probably fucked it.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

He probably did. He's sitting there like fucking dollar bills everything, just like rubbing them on his balls all day.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

Oh my god, everybody clean your money.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

So, yeah, I know everybody cleaned it. So there's also paranormal and spiritual theories. Um, some believe the Titanic was doomed or cursed, and I have heard that before.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

With the mummy that they had in there, yeah. Okay, I've heard that too. Someone who's like, okay, that could not happen.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Tell me what what have you heard?

SPEAKER_00 24:24

So I heard that there was a mummy like in the bottom of the ship that they were transporting over and had a bad spirit to it, and that's what caused it. But apparently that was interesting, that was deemed untrue. There was no mummy in there.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

Yeah, but how but who who was it deemed untrue by? JP Morgan?

SPEAKER_00 24:45

How many survivors were there? I don't think very many, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:50

No, I think it was like a hundred and seventy maybe. I'll I'll look it up. Yeah, check and see how many survivors. So also apparently there were people who reported having several um uneasy feelings or dreams before boarding. And apparently there were ghost sightings tied to the artifacts from the rock.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Hmm, like the ghosts from the people that died here. Yeah. In the middle of the ocean.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

Well, I think, you know, I do believe that there are certain items in this world that hold spiritual connection or not like in not in a good way, and or in a good way, you know, with good and evil. And I think there are really artifacts out there that you shouldn't fuck with. And it's definitely possible, in my opinion, that if you find these artifacts, you know, like people's memorabilia and their items and things like that, that the spirit could be connected to it, especially if it was like really in a demonic way that they were killed. Absolutely. I I could see that.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

So you think they're still like ghosts of the people from the Titanic?

SPEAKER_02 26:13

I like I don't want to be like boo ghosts, but like I mean, they say, like, even you know, African cultures and things like that, or um, in Haiti, like they do a lot of um, they're they're really spiritually driven and sometimes you know, good good spirits, and then they keep certain things to help keep, you know, ward off bad spirits. Um, but like there was a video of a girl who was hiking, I can't remember what country she was in, and she picked up this item, and it's um carvings, okay, you know, um from a tribe, and like people were like, go put that back, like you have no idea what you're fucking with right now. You're go put that back, you know, like so. Yeah, I I could see that.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

So it says the total survivors, approximately 705 people, mostly women and children.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

So now I'm thinking that many people survived.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Yeah, 705, it says approximately. Oh 1500 died. So it's less than half.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

I didn't even think that many survived. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

It says 100% of first class children and 97% of first class women were saved. Lower percentages in second and third class. Yeah. There was a baby who's only two months old.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Yeah. I remember in the video or the movie, you know, they portrayed a baby, a mother carrying the baby.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

She survived, but she died in 2009. Which would make her if that happened in what 13, 1913, just like 90 something years old.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

Huh.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

Look for her.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Too bad she couldn't remember any of it.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

To tell us the T.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Yeah, really. So out of all of these, which do you like gun to your head, which theory do you believe?

SPEAKER_00 28:46

The second theory that we talked about.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

With JP Morgan? Yeah. I I feel like, yeah, I so I I agree with you. I think it was due to uh certain elites being on the ship. I think there was a lot with them opposing the Federal Reserve. And um, I think they they set this up for these people to die.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

And it might have been like um better for JP Morgan's case if he didn't plan on going and then the day off say, and yeah, no, I'm not going.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

I think that's highly suspicious.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Like if he never planned on going, never like whatever. Okay, like whatever. He just didn't want to go fucking.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

But the fact that he's like, Yeah, I'm gonna do it, you know, gather all those people, and then he's like, nah, I'm not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Yeah, I don't feel well today.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

I'm not gonna go. And then he just was fine later. That's a miracle.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

I know. Um, but I I also could believe that there was a coal fire, but I don't think that's what the cause.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

I I don't think I don't think I think there was something wrong with it, but like like the first one said it was switched with the sister ship, which I still believe.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

Yeah, it was his company, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Yes, he owned the company, and then the ship that he was going to get on is the one that was damaged, and then he said, nah, fuck this, I'm not going on there. Why would you pick that ship? Because even if they said that day, oh, we're just gonna switch ships real quick, it's not that quick. You have to load it with food, have everything ready, have all the people on board. That's a good point. That's a good point. You could not do that in one day. Like, I feel like that would take forever, especially with over 2,000 people on board, just passengers.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Yeah, and then I don't I don't know. I just think it's and then you don't have enough lifeboats for yeah, yeah. Uh I don't know. I I just think it's too coincidental to not be true.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

So apparently, one of the survivors, her name was Violet Jessup. She also survived two other ship disasters, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

God had it out for her.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Yeah, so what'd you do in her uh a different life? She was a stewardess on the Titanic.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Oh, that's probably why. Yeah, she worked on boats.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Did JP Morgan own all of them?

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Yeah, no, he hated her.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

He was the mistress and get rid of her. Seriously, she's just not done. Maybe God protected her. She survived three ships.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

The mommy in the basement.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

She said she felt uneasy but stayed calm, helping passengers. And she was ordered into a lifeboat later, she described eerie quiet as the ship went down. She later survived the Britannic sinking and was on the Olympic when it crashed. How do you survive?

SPEAKER_00 31:52

So I wonder if she was quiet because when the Olympic first crashed, right? Because it was already broken before.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

I wonder if she like was quiet because she came to the realization like this is that shit. Yeah. And I just got on this fucking thing. And I just got on this undergoing.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

That's probably why she was quiet.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

Oh, uh, there was another survivor, um, a baker. And apparently he survived in the freezing waters, which how did Jack die? But this guy survived. Um, but his name was Charles Joffin. And oh well, apparently he drank a lot of alcohol before the ship. So body warm. So that that probably honestly helped him survive. Um, but he he apparently helped load lifeboats and then calmly rode the ship down. Uh, he ended up in freezing ocean for hours and lived. Um, water temps were deadly. Most people died within minutes. Some think the alcohol slowed hypothermia, hypothermia.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

Yeah, but for hours, that would sober me up so fucking.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

That's what I'm saying. You know, it but how he was in there for hours, you said. Supposedly, but also how do you tread for hours like that?

SPEAKER_00 33:13

And then I feel like a lot of people like took off their jackets because it was weighing them down.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Yeah, so apparently there were like stories of that that people took their their life jacket off. I don't know how true that is, but there were stories of that, and then other people who gave them to other people and then went down with the ship and treaded water.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Again, why was there not enough?

SPEAKER_02 33:38

I that's what I'm saying. It's one thing to not have enough rafts, rafts, you know, but to not have enough life jackets for all those people on the ship.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

I wonder if we have like room capacity now and like different capacities.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

I think that's a fire hazard kind of thing, but still, I don't know. I feel like JP Morgan should have been sued the fuck out of well then who's trying to hide it and be like, oh, this is a Titanic, not the ship that already.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Well, and that's that's also another thing, though. Insurance claim. If if you know what I mean, like these people trying to sue, he could easily use the you know, the people that survived. Yeah, he could have used that as an insurance claim. I don't know if they got paid out, the people that survived, if he was hoping that they would all die. Probably, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 34:33

He's probably pissed that he would put raff rafs on there.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Yeah, I know, right? Because it was indestructible, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

He's probably like, yeah, it's indestructible, and you don't even need those.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

So, in other words, if you go on a cruise ship, we're endorsing drinking as a survival tactic, okay? Yeah, so get the dream package, yeah. So also apparently there were um orphans of the Titanic. Michael was four and Edmund two.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Stop. Why are there orphans on there?

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Well, their father kidnapped them during a custody dispute and boarded the Titanic, so he was fleeing. He died in the wreckage. Um, but the boys survived and became known as the Titanic orphans. Um, they couldn't identify themselves because they were so little, yeah. And then their oh, this is so sad. Their mother later recognized them from newspaper photos. Could you imagine you're like the father of your children taking your kids and flinging on a Titanic from whether it was England to New York or whatever, but and then the ship going down, and then you having to figure out if your children are still alive and recognizing them by newspaper? That's so sad. It's fucked.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

That makes me want to die.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

That's fucked.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

A new conspiracy theory, though. What if every single family that was on that had some bad background? Like you said, like that guy's a kidnapper, and that's why they were trying to the mummy noticed they all had bad spirits. It's like I'm taking these bitches down.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

Listen, I no, I nothing is off the table off the table. Um, apparently, the band that kept playing a movie, um they were witnessed by multiple survivors. Um, musicians continued playing as the ship sank, but it helped people keep calm and avoid panic. Um, some say they played nearer my god, and then others say it was something lighter, but um I do you think they'd believe they were not getting off the ship? Do you think that's why like they were like, We're there's we're just not gonna be able to get off this ship, so let's just keep playing.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

I what were they on? Because if they were like not on one, okay, I could see that like they're just chilling. I would be panicking, regardless of unless they were really doing it to keep people calm, which is kind of sweet.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Yeah, or maybe they had no idea what was going on. Um, just kind of hard to believe because the boat was like doing it, yeah, and just people like screaming. How are they still playing when the boat was going like this? Wouldn't they be sliding backwards?

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Well, I think for up until a certain point, like once it started flooding, is while they were still playing, and then once it split in fucking half, yeah. Um, but lifeboats that left half empty, so apparently multiple survivors accounts. Some lifeboats launched not full because people didn't realize how serious it was. Um, crew feared boats would break if overloaded, which I do. I mean, again, the movie is gonna portray what we want us to believe, you know, what they want us to believe. But I believe that I believe in a panic, not fully blowing it up, but also they so many people were trying to get on one life raft, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:06

You know, and they were who rescued them?

SPEAKER_02 38:10

Apparently they called in to it's what is it when you're on a ship? Something, yeah, but it's not like Coast Guard, yeah, Coast Guard. But when you call in, it's not it's May Day when you're on a plane. What do they say when you're on a ship?

SPEAKER_00 38:24

Is it not the same?

SPEAKER_02 38:26

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

At any rate, apparently they called in for a Coast Guard to come and save them.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Also, I found this out a couple years ago, but it wasn't it's never May date, it's May Day. I never knew that.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

Really? Yeah, you thought it was Mayday date?

SPEAKER_00 38:41

Yeah, like May Day, May Date, you know May Day, May Day. I did not know that really not until like what 2022. So 23.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

Oh, okay. That's good. But apparently, um, the Titanic had lifeboats for only about half the people on board.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

So is that not ironic?

SPEAKER_02 39:04

Yeah. Um, imagine if they had more the people that could have lived.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

Uh like that's not what he wanted.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

Yep. So it was supposed to be women and children first, okay? But a lot of survivors accounts varied, of course, because there was so much, so many elite people on the ship. Um, but apparently some men snuck onto lifeboats disguise uh or were allowed in, and some women refused to leave their husbands, they did not want to go. If I had children, I'd be like, Yeah, I have to save my kids.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

You know what I mean? But yeah, I guess some women, like the Strauss guy we were talking about. Oh, yeah, Ida, his wife, refused to leave her. Um, saying, Where you go, I go. Yeah. And then remember like the old couple that was in the bed laying there.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

My thing is though, is like uh how I feel like your body would kick into survival mode, even if you didn't want it to. Like, I feel like your body would just kick into survival mode and you would just be trying to do whatever to survive.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Your fight or flight, yeah. But in psychology, I learned that not everybody has that. Like it's something with your brain, it's like really uncommon, but could you imagine if nobody on that whole entire ship had it? Hold on, what controls? I I want to say you're amygdala, but I'm not sure. What controls well that might be accurate? Okay, you're hypo- Oh yeah, amygdala and hypothalamus.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

That's interesting. So some people do not carry the ability to have a fight or flight. Yeah, I'm gonna look up what it's called. I couldn't imagine. But then I feel like there's people who are stuck in fight and flight, flight or flight a lot.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

So it's a neurological and genetic condition. It's herboch white disease. Um it's extremely rare, but it causes the amygdala to calcify and waste away. I kind of wish I had that, honestly. No, that sounds terrible. Yeah, but that also like controls your cortisol. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think it'd be really skinny.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Oh my god. We're gonna we're gonna create a new supplement that just freezes your amygdala.

SPEAKER_00 42:02

How can I make the Titanic about me?

SPEAKER_02 42:08

Oh, it's all about me.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

Jesus. So I was invited to the Titanic.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

Yeah. Um, so multiple survivors described like the silence after the sinking. After the ship went under, there were screams and then just silence. Um survivors in lifeboats debated going back to hell, but many didn't out of fear of being swamped away, like you know. Um, I can only imagine being out in the middle of the darkest parts of the ocean in a life raft in all of these dead bodies around you, and just dead silence.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

And it's cold enough there that there could be sharks because sharks get the cold, most of them do, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

I mean, there's definitely yeah, I I would be I would shit utterly.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

I think I would have to sacrifice myself. I could not live in that with that panic.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

Uh I know, but like oh my god, being in the middle of the ocean and not being in a life raft and just floating there, not knowing what's gonna come.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

I would just let myself go. I think.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

But again, I feel like a flare, you know, fight or flight, like you would just be wanting to swim. I know, you know, unless unless the hypothermia kick it in and you just couldn't anymore. But then you know what I mean to die. Oh god, and then also like adrenaline, you know. Yeah, maybe that one guy survived because of adrenaline and drinking before and all that. I do feel like that would sober me up, but then again, like. Like he's probably drinking really strong, like moonshiner.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Maybe sober your mind, but I feel like your body might still be under the you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

Especially if you drink a lot. Um, the man who missed the ship because he overslept, uh, Arthur Rostran, not a passenger but related story. Um, others who missed the boarding, some people miss the Titanic due to random delays or decisions, later realized they narrowly avoided death. Can you imagine having a ticket to one of the most elite ships that's unsinkable and you fucking oversleep just to later find out that it crashed and you fucking survive?

SPEAKER_00 44:45

That would be like a I'm pissed as fuck that I missed it, and then after like a sigh of relief, like think I missed it.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

Literally.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

I'd been like, Can I get a refund though?

SPEAKER_02 44:54

Talk about I want my what was it probably like $40.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

Oh, can I get my $40 refund? I'd be at their customer service when it refunds.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

I want to speak to JP Morgan directly.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Literally.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

Talk about though, like the universe working in mysterious ways.

unknown 45:16

I know.

SPEAKER_00 45:17

Too bad it didn't work for everybody, especially the kids.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

I know. I oh my god. But I have you know, one thing like I I've learned, and it really does make you think when you are late to something, or like you go to walk out the door, it's called the burnt toast theory. Yes, you've heard of it. Okay, I love that you've heard of this. And it's true, like the other day this happened to me. I was running late, and I pull out, and there was a car accident. A minor fender bender, but still. And you you really like you go to spill, you know, you're walking out the door and you spill your coffee, and it's like, motherfucker, and you're so pissed, you have no idea if that just saved your life. You know, and you really like if you think about that, you stop and process that for a second. You're like, okay, hold on, let me not flip out so bad.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Right.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

You just because you just don't know. You just don't know. It's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 46:29

It's just crazy.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Yeah, let's see here. I want to look something up quick. So the last living survivor was Melvina Dean, who passed away in 2009 at the age of 97. She was only nine weeks old when the Titanic sank. So she didn't have personal memories of the event herself. So apparently, most of the survivors did not believe in the conspiracies. Their accounts tend to point to human error, overconfidence, and preventable mistakes, not secret plots. But here's what came up in survivor testimonies. We were going too fast. Many survivors and crew members believe that the Titanic was traveling too fast in iceberg waters. Um, oh, there were multiple iceberg warnings that day, supposedly, and they did not slow down.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

Um so if I I guess if you're going that fast and you hit something that hard, you don't have a good chance of surviving, probably.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Probably not. Yeah, right. Um, there weren't enough lifeboats. That's what another a lot of the accounts were. This is one of the biggest criticisms from survivors is that the lifeboats only covered about half of the people on board, and some launched half empty. Um, so survivor takeaways would have been like poor safety planning and outdated regulations, which blows my mind. Outdated regulations? What that'd be like today.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

That's a lawsuit today.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

Oh my god, not even do you remember when that boat that horrific cruise several years ago that happened, and there were like it was like in the water on its side for I want to see if I can find this quick before we I want to dive into something while you're looking that yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 48:38

So I had a somewhat of an idea of what the Federal Reserve was, but we mentioned that somebody that died on the boat the monopolies and such over. Did it say anything about Rockefeller? Because I'm pretty sure he had like he was involved with him.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

When I looked up his name, I did see Rockefeller link to it, but I didn't dive into it.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

So I looked it up and it said the main functions of the Federal Reserve was to conduct monetary policy, supervising, regulating financial institutions, maintaining stability. So now when we're monopolies, I'm gonna look up when were monopolies illegal. So it started in 1890, but then they came out with the Clayton Act of 1914.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

A year later. Wow. So the cruise ship that I was talking about was um the Costa Concordia, that's right. Uh it capsized off the coast of Italy on January 13, 2012, after hitting submerged rocks. The disaster resulted in 32 deaths with the ship's captain, Francesco, later sentenced to 16 years in prison for manslaughter and abandoning the ship. The ship deviated from its planned route to perform a sail-by-salute to the island, resulting in a 174-foot gash in its hull. 32 people died, 27 passengers and five crew members, with another death occurring during the salvage operation. The ship lay on its side for over two years before a massive salvage operation removed it. And uh the captain fled or abandoned. But I remember and I remember footage of them trying to get these people off the ship.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

So that one just seems like negligence. But there's theories that he was on the boat. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:07

Yeah. I don't think he was.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

So he created okay, he didn't create, but he had a monopoly of standard oil, whatever. He became America's first billionaire. It says that him and JP Morgan were friendly, but they weren't friends. Um how am I gonna make this make sense when I'm thinking my head? And they helped each okay, so they helped each other financially because whatever Morgan was a banker.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

I think that was more like I wash your back, you wash mine.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

But then Rockefeller was not Rockefeller, uh JP Morgan was pushing the uh the Federal Reserve Bank to stop Rockefeller from you know maybe not just him specifically, but like he had a monopoly and the federal wizard was there to uh monitor it. Yeah, I guess you could say.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

I think it was directly though for the Rockefeller.

SPEAKER_00 52:13

Probably because he s was a first fucking billionaire, and JP Morgan's like, let me get a cut of that shit.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

Yeah, I and I uh yeah. I'm trying to tread lightly here.

SPEAKER_00 52:26

Yeah, I'm just I'm trying to make this make sense when I'm thinking, but it's just not coming out. I don't I don't know how to word it. Okay, both believed in eliminating ruinous competition. So was Rockefeller in on this Titanic thing? Maybe not in, but like was like, Oh yeah, that's a great attitude.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

I think so. I really do because that's one of the conspiracies. Is that all these fucking people that died were rich businessmen exactly who had a lot of power and money, and I really think the biggest issue was the Federal Reserve, and a lot of these people were opposed to it because Rockefeller would have had control over all that.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

So now that I'm thinking that they were against each other, now that I'm reading more into this, it's looking like they were going together. It says Rockefeller's um industrial empire built the nation's energy infrastructure while Morgan used his firm to stabilize the US economy during panics. See, so did they want to be the two like run the whole show?

SPEAKER_02 53:26

And I think that getting those people out of the way would have helped Rockefeller with the Federal Reserve, and then the whole insurance claim, and they both would have made out.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

And now I'm thinking a little bit more. So it was first the monopoly, the illegalization of monopolies started in 1800, but it didn't get finalized because 1914, yeah. So I'm thinking maybe Rockefeller was getting a little nervous because he started a monopoly, like it wasn't super loud, right? And JP Morgan's like, let's start the Federal Reserve so we can say that we're monitoring it, but you can actually do whatever the fuck you can.

SPEAKER_02 54:05

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:07

I yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 54:09

I know it's um I'm being goosebumps. I know because it may really, when you start to talk about this shit, it makes you think. I like this, it really makes you think, and it makes you question everything, which people should do.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Question everything, don't believe anything, don't trust.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

No, and it's just it's it really makes you think. This is crazy, and like look at our Federal Reserve now, you know, and like it's who has all the money, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:40

A small amount of people still. Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's yeah, it's so fucked that we're so money driven. Like, I know people love their money, but I feel like the US is so um what is the word greedy, greedy. Oh, it starts with a C. What is corrupt? No, it's like money, currency? It's so what's it called? Fuck, dude. Um, it's called capitalist. Oh, yeah. Holy shit, I just the wheels were turning. Stroked out. They almost crashed into an iceberg. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:24

Like, why can't we just be chill? I mean crew and because it's it's it's all about control.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

It's all about control. Um so apparently people do like that survived uh and later investigators acknowledged a coal fire before departure. Um I don't know, they reportedly tried to manage it quietly. And then some people said that they didn't think it was that serious. That a lot of survivors said they were slow to react because the ship was believed to be unsinkable, and early on, it didn't feel like an emergency. It's not like it split the ship in half, right? You know, like down the middle, I'm saying, um lengthwise as opposed to or horizontally, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 56:20

They hit this iceberg and then and if this was his plan, which I definitely think it is, I think that he pushed the fact that oh, it's I'm the struggle so much that he like wired these people brains to be like we're good, yeah. I'm good, we're good, I'm good as fucking and for survivor, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

For survivors to like hear that they just hit an iceberg and to not be paying. I mean, even in the movie, they portrayed that, you know, people just like walking around like whatever, you know, like we're good. Yeah, like boom, we hit it, but like we're good. Um, I guess like some other issues were class differences, like um first class passengers had better access to the lifeboats, which makes sense because I mean, again, in the movie it portrays, remember them being like on the third deck or whatever, bottom level, and like gates being locked.

SPEAKER_00 57:13

Oh, yeah, because they're trying to get out, and they're trying to get out.

SPEAKER_02 57:16

And then people were locking gates, and it's like they were it wasn't like a slider, it was like a gate. So, why are you locking these people in there? What it's not stopping the water, right? What was the point of doing that?

SPEAKER_00 57:31

And I think this was the flaw in JP Morgan's case, because wouldn't you want the poor to get out and just eliminate all the wealthy people on there?

SPEAKER_02 57:42

Right, yeah, you would think that, but then again, if you're trying to control like the masses, and I think would that look too like obvious? Yeah, and I also think they like to eliminate um people of certain class, uh high high-end and people that they look down upon. But at least they're not competition to them, true, but I think they had to have a mix. It couldn't just be all elites or it wouldn't be believable. Yeah, I I really think that's why.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

Oh, like now the really rich have people like parties with just the really rich, but I guess they're not also planning their death.

SPEAKER_02 58:31

Well, maybe you never know.

SPEAKER_03 58:34

Um if it's the little people that have died.

SPEAKER_00 58:37

So the moral of this whole takeaway get the drink package, make sure they have enough safe phones, make sure they're fully inflated and enough.

SPEAKER_03 58:48

And if you need marketing, then it's indestructible.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

Probably doesn't believe it. Do not believe it.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

Also say yes to everything.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

So, yeah, seriously. Um, but I guess there was like language barriers and then physical barriers like gates, layout, confusion, and I guess there was like not really good guidance from crew members.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Um probably because they switched the ship and they weren't familiar.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

Yeah, that's a good point. Um, so you know, again, basically your survival odds were basically tied to how rich you were. Oh what if what if it was like uh a conspiracy, like you know, like um oh my god, what's the show? Uh fuck what it oh my god, what's wrong with my brain? Um where there people are they willingly play the game and they kill each other. Hunger games? No, um Squid Games.

SPEAKER_00 59:53

I was just I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_02 59:55

You've never seen it. It's so it's in a different language, but they voice over in English. Okay. It's it's a really I was never really into it, but someone got me into it, and I watched the whole thing, and it's basically people who in this scenario are poor, and someone comes to them and they're like, if you get this right, then you win 10,000 pounds, okay, or whatever, and uh at any rate, um, they keep playing and playing and playing and they never win. So then they're like, Here, you can come play this game, and so they get a group of these people who end up killing each other for the winnings at the end. But it's like all these crazy courses and these elites watch this shit happen, like people in serious comment. So, I mean, I know there were elites on there, but I'm saying, like, what if it was like uh survival and finish? Yeah, like this whole pawn.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

Well, and that wouldn't be fair because everybody should have even playing it, like at least uh physically, even yeah, that's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

So, um I guess there's not like a ton of records on survivors claiming like the shit swap, which how would they know that anyway? Right. Um and a lot of testimonies like a lot of testimonies played into basically just what they experienced directly. Um but some survivors did hint at that a lot of information was withheld and that crew decisions that didn't fully make sense at the time, um, which leaves a lot of gray area area um for theories. Uh but I just you know, and it's crazy to me that if you think about it, where did this originate for people to deep dive into this stuff? The fact that this is even a discussion proves, in my opinion, that there are people who who question everything and use their brain. Like to think about that, like you're growing up and you learn in school or whatever about the Titanic, okay? And it's like, oh my god, you know, the ship that hit an iceberg, but then when you really start to dig into stuff and you really start to think about it, like this makes no fucking sense, yeah. And then you figure out who owns the ship, and you learn like who they are and the whole Federal Reserve and where we are today, and it just it's it really needs to wonder.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

And I'm also thinking about how you said there was a ton of iceberg warnings that morning. Yeah, wouldn't you want to switch the route that you go? Exactly. Like, there's other ways, unless, like, I know like uh there's like certain currents that people try to avoid and stuff. Yes, right. But if there is and like why would he why wouldn't you delay it if you could go no other way? Why wouldn't you delay it?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

Yeah, or stop in the middle of the water or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

Like either stop or just not go until I know or like why I don't know why you're send about, why would you go full speed? Okay, the whole I'm shocked that they didn't say that fucking brakes stopped working.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

I know, right? The brakes ceased. But the whole iceberg thing, like we kind of drew a plane. What like you said, like if there were reports of several icebergs, why would you not make a different route?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:56

Or even if they just went down like this way and down, because I was looking at the map. And like you said, the map could have been different back then, but England's right here, okay? And if they go straight across, then they're gonna hit Newfoundland. But why and they were trying to go to New York City, or vice versa.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:12

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:12

Why would you go down and then over? Why are you going over and then down? And when did this happen? What month was that?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

January.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:22

Freezing is five. Wait.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:24

Really? No, that was the other one I read.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:27

Oh, when did the Titanic sink? April 14th. Still kind of cold.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

Yeah. Yeah? 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:43

Why wouldn't you take it different? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:48

Yeah. I I have to agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:52

Um like why you wouldn't choose because he's trying to kill them.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:01

This guy's probably looking like said after all these conspiracies came out. I feel like he could be in a lot of trouble.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:10

There's still people linked to the family. Well, would he get in trouble? Probably not because I don't know. Well, yeah, he for Father Reserve, so I don't think I I mean, you know, and and you really you learn do a deep dive into rock color and the school system and all of that. And you want to talk about patrol, you know, patrolling the masses. It's it's really it's really crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

Um I wonder why though, like survivors didn't because it says, and again, we don't know how true this is, but the survivors didn't question conspiracy theories.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

Maybe they didn't think about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:59

That's what I'm Saying you know, like again, just they probably were so like shooken up, yeah, and scared, and just happy to be alive.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:07

Maybe he paid them off, he had the money to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

That's true, that's very true.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:14

Both people are snatchy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:18

You think it's easier to believe in a conspiracy or accept that this was preventable?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

Believe the conspiracy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:26

This was extremely preventable. Are you kidding?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:29

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

Oh my god. Okay, so both, yeah. Yeah, I don't think it happened by accident. And it's definitely preventable. And that's why I think there's so many conspiracies because no way this happened. And I don't even want to say a conspiracy because one of these has got to be true.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:51

Yeah, and I want to check into something because and how can you have that poor of planning when you own this whole entire company?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:58

You must have had ships go out before, as long as it's your first rodeo.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

And there's regulations at the time. Why are you outdated?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

That that's what shocked me when it said outdated. It was like, what? And also, not to mention, the sister ship, sister, if if it wasn't the sister ship and it was in fact the Titanic, the real Titanic that crashed, the Olympic also had a major crash, which was its sister ship, but it didn't sink. So in 1911, a year before the Titanic, supposedly the Olympic collided with a British warship called HMS Hawk. The damage was serious. Large holes were torn in the Olympic side. Both ships were damaged, but the Olympics stayed afloat and made it back to poor. So why this matters for conspiracy theories, is this crash is actually a big reason people believe the switch uh ship swap switch. The Olympic was badly damaged and expensive to repair. Insurance reportedly didn't fully cover the costs. So conspiracy theorists claim that the company may have swapped the Olympic with the Titanic and sank it intentionally for insurance money. So, again, if JP Morgan and Rockefeller were working together and that did happen, that could be an easy way to get rid of the elites that stood in front of the Federal Reserve.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:37

As well as doing an insurance claim.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

But I'm thinking with all that damage, if they did switch it, wouldn't you be able to tell just by the appearance of the ship that it was fixed? Like I just like okay, so there's a say there's a hole in the swall right here, and you paint it. Well, this paints a little bit older, so it's gonna be a different color. Unless they just redid the whole entire thing and make it look good.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:58

Yeah, I mean, I I don't know that they redid the whole thing, but again, say it was damaged underneath or big holes in it, and they paired it. Who's gonna pay attention to that? Right. Repainting it, people boarding, they're not gonna be like no one's gonna think that they swap ships. No one would believe they would do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:20

I wouldn't even know which ship is which.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

That's what I'm saying. And you're not like you're boarding a ship, you're not gonna be walking around water to look for holes, right? No one would think anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:33

They could stick Titanic on a sailboat, and I'd be like, Yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:36

Yeah, right, for real. Um, apparently the Olympic was repaired and continued sailing for over 20 years after the crash. Um, it even served in World War I and earned the nickname Old Reliable. Yeah, okay. Um, the wreck of the Titanic has been studied and it features match uh Titanic not Olympic. So I eh.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:02

But then there was another article in there that said that when they found the the Titanic, it didn't match to what the Titanic was, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:18

And so we're gonna go on a scuba diving trip. I would tour the Titanic. Yeah, and we're gonna go we're gonna pull that bitch up.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:26

Yeah, and we're gonna look Yeah. That's crazy. We're gonna play that game. There we go. I like that idea. So I see.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:44

And look at they also got to um oh my god, they also made a potflip by making a movie about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:54

Yo okay, so who rescued the survivors? Um, it was the RMS Carpathia, um, a passenger ship about 58 miles away when the Titanic sent distress signals. So this captain Arthur Rostran immediately turned the ship around and pushed it full speed through ice fields, which is crazy that he could get through ice fields and all that. And ice fields. He could see them, yeah, literally. Um he ordered all unnecessary systems shut down to to divert power to engines and then had crew prepare blankets, food, and medical areas. He did not arrive until 4 a.m., which was about two hours after the Titanic sank. They rescued 700 survivors from lifeboats. So the reports are it was a field of ice and nothing else when they arrived. Uh, the Titanic was already gone, and they described a massive ice field, icebergs everywhere, and then lifeboats scattered across the water. Um a chilling detail was there was no sign of the ship, just silence and survivors. And then crew reported people were numb, freezing, traumatized, they were wrapped in blankets, unable to speak. Some were crying, others just stared blank. Um, one account described it as a scene of complete exhaustion and grief. Lifeboats arrived unevenly filled, some lifeboats were overcrowded, and others had empty seats, which confirmed what survivors said that there was a lot of confusion and poor coordination. And then stories of just people being dead everywhere. Um families were separated, women asking where their husbands were, uh, survivors who didn't know who survived and didn't, and then just the haunting silence. Uh by the time we got there, the screen said stock, and the ocean was just described as early quiet, which stuck with rescuers for life. Um, basically, the captain's report was that he believed the Titanic hit the iceberg and sank, and first you know, they responded as fast as possible. But here's the crazy part there was a ship that was closer, and it was called the Californian, and they did not respond at the time, whether distress signals were ignored or misinterpreted. Um so apparently, this is one of the most debated and frustrating parts about the Titanic because there was a ship closer, and so this ship was called the SS California. Um, it was estimated to be 10 to 20 miles away, which is obviously much closer than 58 miles. Um, and apparently the California crew saw a large ship, which was likely the Titanic, in the distance. So they were able to see the Titanic, noticed it had stopped moving, and observing rockets being fired into the sky. Problem is, is they didn't interpret the rockets as a distress signal. Now, you mean to tell me you're 10 to 20 miles away. You get a call. Now, apparently, when they did the distress call over the radio or whatever, how it was CQD and SOS. Um, but apparently the Californians' only wireless operator had gone to bed. Uh the Titanic not only fired the Titanic fired not one, not two, not three, but eight distress rockets. Eight. And the California crew saw them, but thought they were company signals or random rockets, not emergencies. How do you not? And then you ready for this? Instead, so the crew reported the rockets to Captain Ward. He did not immediately order a full rescue. Instead, they tried signaling with a lamp and fade it with a lamp, yeah. So one of those ship lamps that they turn like this. Oh apparently, they like an SOS or like Morse boat, you know, they tried signaling.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:41

So let me just tell you who owned the Californian.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

Yeah, please do. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:47

The Californian was owned by the British Leyland Line. The Leyland Line was a subsidiary of the International Mercantile Marine Company, a massive shipping trust owned by American financer JP Warkett.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:02

Ding, ding, ding. I know, seriously. That literally gave me goosebumps. Because here's the other thing. Captain Lord was told by the crew that there were eight rockets that went off. Why did he not wake the radio operator? His radio operator, the only radio operator on his ship that went to bed, supposedly, why did he not wake him to have him come and try to radio in at least?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:37

Also, they tried signal back, right? Don't you think if you didn't get a response, and when at the time that you are signaling, don't you think you would should wake up your wireless operator? You're like, hey, just listen, just in case, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:52

See if you can get a signal.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:53

If you didn't get a signal back, or like a hey, we're okay, like everything's cool, yeah. Wouldn't you go check anyway?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:01

I mean, I guess if I was a captain of a ship and there were icebergs everywhere, maybe my first response wouldn't be to try to go through icebergs, but I most certainly would wake up my radio operator to be like, can you get anyone, you know, to confirm or deny? Um, but some conspiracy angles people believe that the California knew more than they admitted. Um, also that they were closer than officially reported, and that there was a cover-up to protect reputations.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:40

Um, so he made a statement. In this statement, it says, at 20 minutes to one, I whistled up the speaking tube and asked him if she was getting any near, she being the Titanic. He said, No, she is not taking any notice of us. So I said, I will go and lie down a bit. At a quarter past, he said, I think she had fired a rocket. He said she did not answer the Morse lamp, but she has commenced to go away from us.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:10

How the hell, if they are going down, going to answer, answer the Morse lamp, and that's the thing, I believe, because if you think about it, the ship that saved them, he risked his ship, okay, and got through these icebergs, and he was 58 miles away and he got the distress call. Okay, that cat that then you have someone who is only 10 to 20 miles approximately away from the Titanic, who sees the rockets, who literally gets the distress call, but apparently the radio guy was sleeping, guy was sleeping, and you don't think to go wake them up just to confirm. I think they thought that that ship that was 58 miles away was not gonna make it there in time to hit these people.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:10

I think anyway, yeah, it says Lord made no effort to awaken a wireless operator and send message that way, which might have been far more effective in obtaining information from the Titanic.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:23

Mm-hmm. And if you think about it, um I mean this isn't even a conspiracy, this part. It's it's a real documented thing that the Californian was 10 to 20 miles away. Like this, he confirmed it. This is actually documented. This isn't like conspiracy as to what happened to the ship. He was only 10 to 20 miles away, and eight rockets were let off into the sky. One, two, maybe you could, you know, but still, you're a captain of a ship and you see another ship letting off eight rockets and a stress signal, uh you know, over the radio.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:15

So, two things about this. One, I see I could see him being extremely negligent, ignorant to it if his owner or the owner of the ship was not JP Morgan.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:28

And I don't know what else I just thought of. If they knew that stress signals came over the radio, that means someone had to have heard that. Yeah, someone had to have heard that.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:43

And they won't turn that off, do they? No. No. And I'm thinking, you know, if this was an accident, wouldn't you wouldn't JP Morgan get on the line and be like, hey, you're my ship, you're closer to my other ship who's going down. Can you please go get that?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:59

Like, I don't know if they can communicate with just like a right.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:03

But also, don't they wouldn't you think you'd have I mean you have all these prominent people passengers on your ship. Wouldn't you have rotating shifts? Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:16

Why would you only have one and no one else in that boat knows how to do anything? That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:22

Yeah, even if you're not trained for that to hear that, I mean, maybe you're not in that like cockpit or whatever, you know, the pit area, listening room, whatever you want to call it. Um I I just I don't know. I find that very strange.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:44

Me too.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:45

So basically, I guess to wrap this up, is uh I think it's highly debatable what happened to Titanic, but I think the most plausible explanation is JP Morgan and Rockefeller were working together. Something was wrong with the ship, and they were hoping it would sink, and I don't think that and I and personally I think this Californian was told not to help.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:19

I think so as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:20

I think they got signaled not to help them. That's what that's what I think, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:27

I definitely do not think any of this was an accident.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

I don't either, and I really don't think they thought that many people would survive.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:38

And but when they're all women and children, the exact women were not that powerful back then.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:45

No, and and I don't think they really had yeah, a leg up.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:50

I don't even think women's suffrage was when was that like the 1920s? Yeah, 19th and men meant 1920. So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:00

But like but to get women and children off, I mean you think about that, and that makes the most sense. Women and children are probably the most vulnerable, get them off, right? Um, and the men who are prominent men, you know, they're last, they're last to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:20

I think they knew what they were, one that did it.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:23

I think so too. We want to hear your takes on this. What you think happened to the Titanic?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:31

And do you guys like these conspiracy?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:33

We have a lot of them that we want to do, so yeah. Uh well, thank you for listening to episode eight. We definitely want your feedback on what you think happened with the uh Titanic.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:49

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