How Does The Court Send You Too Supervised Visitation That Is Not Licensed? Inspector Gadget Talks About It!: Part TWo

In this episode, Jamie returns to share what happened after his initial court involvement.

He describes being removed from a supervised visitation program, only to be ordered into another program that, according to him, was not properly operating or licensed at the time. This left him confused, frustrated, and without a clear path to continue seeing his child.

Both the host and Jamie also reflect on the role of faith and what they believe to be guidance from a higher power as they navigate these challenges.

Throughout the conversation, Jamie shares his perspective that supervised visitation can sometimes feel less like support and more like a barrier—raising difficult questions about how these programs are used and how decisions are made when it comes to parent-child access.

This episode highlights the uncertainty, emotional toll, and unanswered questions many parents say they face within the system.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the dark side of family court. Welcome to the dark side of family court. This is DK. I am your host. I'm also the creator of NASA City of Mother's Day, celebrated on October 28th. Let a hurting mother know how much you care. And we have Inspector Gadget back with us. All right, Inspector Gadget. How's it going?

SPEAKER_02 0:21

Not bad. Yourself?

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Not bad. Where are we going to start at this time?

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Well, that's the thing. There was so much we just talked about. Um kind of forgot where we left off. But what I'd like to do is I'd like to start off though is with the visitation center here. Because I've been um, like I said, I've only seen my daughter 25 times since December 23, 2023. And the the places they're sending me to because there is no indictment, they don't want no like paper trail or nothing, the judge won't write a proper court order. And see, I was going to this place called the SBCC in Henrietta, and I was going there for I don't even know, maybe two months. And I would always ask the supervisor, you know, can I get the court order? Can I get the referral? She wouldn't give it to me. Said, you know, she can't because it's got my ex's information on it. I go, can't you black that out? Oh, we can't do that. And this one day she was sick. So I asked the lady that took over for her, you know, can I get this documentation? She was supposed to get it, but uh, said you whatever, but must have forgot or something. She goes, Yeah, no problem. So she gets me the documentation, she tells me there is no order protection, she can't find one. Um, there's she doesn't see a court order, but she's got the referrals. And she gives me three of them. Two are from one's just from my mom, one's from me, but then it's expired. It was from the year before. And the newest one's got my mom's name, but says, along with me, and it's got the family court referee and my mom's docket number from when she went for grandparents' rights. And so I know, and I recorded the whole conversation because the next week I went there and I asked the lady, I go, you know, what's going on here? And she goes, What do you mean? I go, Well, when you were gone, I asked the lady that took over for the documentation, she gave me it. And she goes, Oh, then there's no way she would have. I go, no, she did. She goes, Well, do you want me to go get her? I go, Yeah, go get her. So then, you know, she gets her and we're talking, and the lady goes, No, no, we have your, you know, your referral. It's the one with uh your mom's name in it. And the other girl goes, Yeah, yeah, that's the one with her mom's name. And I go, Well, that's that's odd because I was coming here before my mother's. So if mine is with my mom, that makes no sense. Because, like I said, I was coming here two weeks prior. And I go, and the thing too is that one there, it's got a family court referee with my mom's docket number. I go, this is fraud. Five days later, I receive a letter stating that my uh visits are now canceled, this and that, and the letter she wrote to the court had my docket number with my judge. And it's like, well, how did you where did you get this information from? Because the information you had for me was through a family court referee and my mom's docket number. This makes no sense. So it gets even better. And they end up sending me to a place called um Building Families First, right here in Rochester, New York. If you look this up, this guy, he owns it. He's from somewhere in Africa. He's the only one that works at this company at Building Families First. He owns like four or five different places, you know, in Monroe County. There's one in Ontario County, but then he owns a bunch of different other businesses too. And I'm thinking to myself, how does he, how does he handle all these supervised places when he's the only one that works there? Now, I went there to have an orientation. I went there, he showed me around. And I mean, I feel like Nick Shirley. I mean, I go into this gym, the gym, there's there's no toys whatsoever. There's tables, fold the tables, hold the chairs laying against the wall. There's no nothing. Then we go around, we go, he's got three other rooms that are connected. It's a church that he rents. And then there's three rooms besides the gym. Two of them are second, one's an office, the other one's almost like a meeting room with a printer. Then the third room is just like a, I don't know, a storage place for like musical instruments. You can barely even walk in this. I'm thinking to myself, what's going on? Well, anyways, I've met a wonderful lady by the name of Mary Ellen Belding. She's been going through hell for the last 10 years in Rochester, New York, involving so many different people. And when she heard what was going on with me, we we started talking and we became really good friends. Well, she went there to building families first. She had a meeting with this guy and she's talking to him and she's asking him all these different questions, this and that, you know, you got any grants, this and that. Yeah, we got a$10,000 grant to start off. You know, I own this one, this one, that one. Does anyone work for you? No. Are you licensed? No, not yet. How is the how is the court sending me to a building families first to a guy that's not licensed? There's no toys, there's no there was no kids, there's no nothing. What's going on here? And then the craziest thing is I asked for my money back. He gave me a refund. I got the receipt. But then it was weird because then all of a sudden, above my where it said my return, another$25 was paid. Actually, no, there was$20, or no,$24. And then I said I owed a dollar, but he didn't get my credit card. It's almost like he did that again just to show that like I'm going there. Maybe my own, I wonder, it's got to be some way because the courts are probably well probably not probably, you gotta be sending money here, and they're just it's more laundering. That's all I feel.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Right. That's what it sounds like. It sounds like they're probably got you going there and billing it when actually you're not going there, but they're billing it and making money. Yeah, exactly what it sounds like.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

And the craziest thing is this Lady Mary Ellen, I mean, I I I don't it I feel so weird talking about this, but like when it it's happened to her, I'm sure it's happened to other people. I mean, she said, like, she how she started looking into, she it was weird she said she goes, is like somebody was telling her where to look, where to go. And it's almost like that's that's how it started off with me. I was, I mean, I always knew my lawyer was lying to me. I mean, I knew he was lying, but I never knew there was fraud. I never knew it was rushing, I never knew all this wrong doing. I mean, certain lawyers and other people, they thought I had people, they thought I had people like helping me out, like I was talking to other people. If I was to tell them what how I found out about this, they would have thought I was crazy. Because I'm laying, yeah. I'm not lying, I'm laying in bed. It's 1.30 in the morning. It's I think it's around like maybe, I don't know, maybe March of 24. And like I said, I didn't know any of this stuff was going on. It was almost like somebody whispered in my ear to go look at this document. And as it said this to me, I pictured it. And I even thought, I had to set it all out, I go, what's going on here? I go, all right, let's see. I got a I got a box of documents. I had to go through it. All of a sudden I come to it and I'm looking. I go, what am I supposed to find here? All of a sudden I'm looking, I'm looking, I go, no way. So it led me to another one. To another one. I started finding out this whole case was fraud. And it didn't just happen that night. I mean, it happened, it was going on every night for like a month, month and a half, to where like it was just it was I was just like just I don't know, domains, dominoes, whatever they want to call it, something. And it's like what's going on here? I mean, it was mind-boggling. And I would, and I and I'm too like while this was going on, I felt like I like I knew their next move. I always knew what they were gonna do next, and I did. I would call it, I would tell my family, I know their next move, I know why they're doing this. Oh, you're nuts, you're crazy, but it would happen.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

So I was downtown, Grand Rapids, Michigan, and I was standing on the corner, and diagonally from me was the courthouse. Okay, and front of me is a bank. Now, one of the things that I did was everybody said follow the money trail. And I went into Google Alerts and I set an alert for anybody and everybody. And it's interesting because the Guardian Man Lightham and my judge used didn't use their husband's last names. They kept like their maiden names or whatever, right? So I actually had a neighbor. I moved into this new place and got to talking to the neighbor, and she actually knew the Guardian Lightham and her husband, and she knew he had worked at the Spank, and he had this really, you know, hard kind of last name to spell. And um I'm standing there and I'm looking, I'm standing there in the corner, and this voice says, Take a picture of the spank. And I'm like, Why do I gotta take a picture of the spank? And I'm looking at it, I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. My ex-spouse's divorce attorney's law firm is in the bank. Okay, and I was like, you know, I just got a Google alert that stated that the vice president of the bank had gone to Cincinnati to the corporate headquarters, and I knew her husband and worked there for a long time, and I'm like, I bet you he's now the vice president of the bank. I go home and look, and sure enough, he is the vice president of the bank. So I do I send out an email to everybody and anybody under the sun, right? To all these politicians, to media, you name it. And I talk about how custody is being sold, and I sound like I'm crazy, right? But then I name her, her husband, my ex-spouse, and his divorce attorney. So basically, what happened is him and his attorney just met in the back of the bank with the Gurdyman Lightham and her husband, and they sold him custody. Okay, so then I go and I'm working with this lady, and we're we're always she had been through the system too, and we're always talking about she owns this business, and she's we're always talking about it. So I was telling her about this, and I said, Oh, there's this guy, Richard Owens, and he was getting a lot of dirt on the Garneyman lightum. So my Garneyman lightem was his ex-spouse's divorce attorney. Okay, and so he was kind of going after her. So he had a house he had rented out, and these guys had were selling drugs, and they got him as a drug dealer because it was his house. He's like, I'm renting this house out, I'm not even there. But then he got jail time because this was a drug house, even though he was renting it out and wasn't even living there. So he was not happy with the Gardy Man Lightham, and um, you know, so he was looking up stuff on her. I could go to the courthouse that couldn't get any information. He would go, he'd get information because he knew people. And, you know, so I was telling her like this, like I can't get a hold of him, he doesn't answer his phone, whatever. We look him up three days after I sent out that email about custody being sold, he died in a house fire that nobody believes was a house that he died from the house fire.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

That's crazy. So how could they be an attorney inside the bank? Because it's weird you say that because they just gave me an assigned counsel where this guy, um, his name's Okeano Bell, gave me an assigned counsel, and on the eCorts website it shows his address is 3177 number 209. So I Google 3177 Ladder Road number 209. It brings me to Key Bank. He does not have an office in Key Bank.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

So this right here, so he didn't have an office in in the bank. It's like there was separate office offices like on the outside of the bank. You know how like you have like a mall, and on the outside of the mall are like stores. It was it's kind of like that.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Well that's well, that's what it is. I mean, I guess it's supposed to be Wegman's Plaza, but Key Bank is a building outside, and it says 3177, number 209, on Google Maps. That's number 209. It brings you right to Key Bank, and it's like, wait a second, he's not in this bank. There's nothing there's nothing in that plaza. There is no locker. There's nothing. And another thing that's even crazier too is I mean, everyone's involved in this here in Monroe County. Like I said, you got my ex's attorney, the judges, the referees, the DAs, CPS. So the original CPS caseworker, believed me, he said, I I believe you, I know she's lying, she's coaching the kids, da-da-da-da-da. All of a sudden they take him off the cake. I guess he said that they let him go, that they didn't need any, they didn't need people anymore. But then all of a sudden, this new lady takes over, her name is Evelyn Evan, and she um from what I found out, well, let me let me keep it going. So anyway, she calls me, tells me she's gonna come over, she's gonna be with me. So she does. And she comes over and she goes, Yeah, you know, this is a picture of her, you know, that you know, your extent of her child, uh, a hampering on her butt. And I go, how would there be a hampering on her butt after a month? And she goes, Yeah, you're right, that doesn't seem right. She goes, I'm gonna talk to my supervisor, something's not right here. So I call this lady three days later. I go, So what's going on? Did you figure anything out? She goes, What are you talking about? I never said that. I said I showed you two pictures. I go, What? I go, No, you didn't. She goes, Yeah, I showed you one with a hand print and one with one. I go, I started laughing. I go, You're trying to tell me my ex-girlfriend sending a picture of regards to bare ass with nothing on it instead of just saying there's nothing there. I go, You're lying to me. I go, my mom was here too when you when you said that. And um, I kind of scared her too because I go, You got cameras in the house. And she got a little nervous, and oh, you I didn't get you authority to do that. I go, I don't need to burn my house. But I guess I looked this lady up. She retired in July of 2021. Yeah. And that means you can look up whoever works for the county, you can look up her pay. If you go online, forgot the name of the site, but you could go on there and see you know how much they made this and that. The last time she made any money for money for county was 2021. 2022, nothing, 2023, nothing, 2024, nothing. She was in my house in February of 2024. You know what she is now? She's she works, she's on like a I think she works, she's a Democrat party for the uh what is it, uh County legislators. She's on the board.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Okay. So there's a county legislator and there's a legislative leader.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

She's like I from what I saw before, she was like the Democratic majority leader before.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

I don't I think she's still I don't know if she still is because uh someone told me that she was, but when you look her up, yeah, she's on the legislator, the county the county board.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Okay, so if you look up the legislative council, that right there is actually the government overrunning on top of the government, and they actually have authority to arrest people.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

So I found this out in 2020, and I joke, and I always say that COVID was because of me. So I found that out, and then you know how when you research thing, and then things start popping up on your computer, or you go to you're you know, looking at buying something else starts popping up. So then all of a sudden, this stuff starts popping up about the legislative council. And what was it? Was it Korea? So what happened was they stormed their legislative council because they were making illegal laws. And I was like, what in the world? And the next thing you know, there's COVID. And I learned that there's a legislative council in every state in the US and in every country. Okay? And they actually can arrest, they have the power to arrest people. Now, I thought the council or legislative council, I thought that was in Washington, D.C., they take like several different Democrats, several different Republicans, and they talk about the laws. This right here, there was a legislative bureau before there was ever a legislative council. I'm like, if you have a legislative bureau, how do you have to make a legislative council? What's interesting is people don't even know about this. So nobody even goes and sits on the legislative council. So I started digging into their funding, okay? So in Michigan, they always said, if you allow us to do the lottery, we'll um, you know, take the money, we'll put it into the school system. So one year I was spending, I can't remember, it was a lot of money. I've got three kids spending a bunch of money putting them into school, um, you know, getting them calculators and all this stuff. And I was like, this is ridiculous. I thought that's what our, you know, money was going for for the lottery. So one day I started researching the funding and found out that they are funded through the education um money. I was like, what? Like, you gotta be kidding me. And what does a legislative council have to do with like education? It makes no sense. It was like a rabbit hole. It just made none of it all made any sense. The people who sat on it, it's like they were making money. It was absolutely crazy. That was in 2020 during COVID. I was researching that whole thing. That's what I was doing. That was a rabbit hole I was stuck in in 2020, which was very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

It seems like a lot of these places it's just wandering money. And I mean, come on, like like when you're having an issue, and I think the biggest law that needs to be changed, if you're a judge, a clerk, an officer of the law, if you break it, someone should be able to call the police, write or forth, and boom, you're arrested. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Actually, you're supposed to go through the state police. A lot of people don't know that. You're supposed to go through the state police. The state police is supposed to start up a special um like investigation and put together a special committee.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

Oh, that's funny because I've gone there before. They told me that unless it happened on the expressway, there's nothing we can do. I go, what do you mean? Yeah. I mean that no one no one will do anything. The attorney general. Then you write up like the judiciary about like judges, all these places they want you to contact and write. Yeah, you write them, you do this, you do that, then it takes months for them to reply if they even do. And then when they do, oh yeah, we found nothing. Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

All right. Because I've gone to anybody and everybody you could possibly think of. You know, it's funny because I've been doing this for, you know, like 20 something years, 26, 27, and I watch all these mounds come up, and I was like, you're repeating the same thing that I've done and got nowhere. Like you're all repeating it, you know, and I'm like the legislative council or the legislature, like they're all we're going to have a meeting. They all know. They all know who I am. You know, like I've already been there, I've already talked to them, we've already had meetings with them. I've demonstrated in Washington and, you know, New York, and I've got the Michigan, the Lansing, the state capital, you name it. Nothing ever got done. I mean, all the stuff I did in 26 years, and I have not gotten anything done. Nothing's changed, nothing's happened, nobody's helped. I went to um Michigan, um, Lansing, and I went, I was a Democrat at the time, and I went to every Democrat to talk with them. If I could talk with them, I left them information. Nobody called me, nobody returned a call, nobody helped me. I'm the first person in Michigan since 1963 when it was an accident enacted to actually impeach my judge. So if you are interested in impeaching your judge, I actually have on my um website a free manual. I went back to look it up because I was thinking about maybe I'll file impeachment again and told different people in office, and I could not file and find anything online about how to impeach an elected official. Everything kept talking about, you know, impeaching your president or whatever. And then I was like, wait, I think I got this on a thumb drive, and I went back to the thumb drive, so now I have it on my website. So if you want to impeach your judge um or file to impeach your judge, I have the information on my website. You can go there and check it out, it's free. Um, because it's a government document and I didn't create it, and so I can't sell it, so I put it on there free. I have uh several different free stuffs on there if you want to go check it out. Alright. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Yeah. So I don't I don't even know where they're going on. Like I said, there there's there's so much different stuff going on here.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

And uh I I don't know what to do. I mean, I miss my daughter. I wake up every day going.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Well, one of the things when we were talking, you had mentioned how you take your paperwork and you take it to the court and they stamp it, but you never get in front of the judge. And I was telling you how you have to notice that out. You have to um do a notice.

SPEAKER_02 21:31

Well, no, I I do get in front of the because like I said, I when my judge's very next working is always fine because I'm the only one in IDV court, it's called IDV part or part two or whatever in front of this judge. I'm the only one in this case or an IDV too. So the only time he's ever, you know, in the IDV part is when I'm there. And then I asked him about my filing. Oh, I don't have it, I don't have it. It's like How? But again, this guy here, the judge's test. First, I had this guy called, and his name is Judge Walsh. Supposedly, he recused himself from the case after, like, I don't even know, four or five months. There's no documentation showing that he recused himself. He didn't say it in court. No, nothing. All of a sudden, this guy, Judge Vasanna, takes over the case. And Vazanna is a Supreme Civil Court judge. He used to be the IDB judge, but he isn't anymore from what I was told. I was told he was he was supposed to be the judge of my case. And it's like, and I'm wondering, is that why I don't get documents in the mail? Like, I don't get nothing in the mail for when I have court for this guy. Nothing. Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Yeah, and from what I was told, like, there's well, not what I was told, but what I looked up, it's due process. They're supposed to send you every time you have court a letter in the mail telling you the judge, the courtroom, the floor you're on.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

I get nothing. My lawyer never got one. Nothing. I I mean, it it's amazing what's going on here. And then I mean, and then what they want to do too is like when you know what's going on, instead of just going, oh shit, they know, you know, we better stop.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Right.

unknown 23:16

No.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

No. You're he's crazy. He's crazy. Let's let's let's let's lock him up for that now. Right. Let's put him put him on a mental health court or uh or label him crazy, trying to arrest him for that. It's like, are you kidding me? And again, because like I said, I I was always one step ahead of them. I knew they were gonna do that. So what is it, a week or two before? Got uh because I already had a mental health evaluation before, because the my ex-girlfriend's attorney said I needed to do that and take parenting classes to see my daughter. So I did it. You know, I got the mental health evaluation, came back clean, took the parenting classes, gave her stuff, still nothing. So then later on, when I knew they were gonna try doing this, took another one. Got a letter from my doctor. And so, you know, they you know, they I was in jail this one time because they the judge had me arrested um for terror terroristic threats.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

How many times have you been arrested?

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Um, I've been arrested seven times. Oh, wow. Seven.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

But um how many are actually like real and documented? I don't think any. Because when I was talking to the RPD one day, I was asking her about this one case because I noticed what they were doing, they'll arrest me, alright, and then I'll get the documents either in Discovery or something. But they always have the like the sheriff's number, the Greece Police number, and never had like the arrest number. And then when I did a FOIL request, all of a sudden I'm getting all these documents I've never seen before with like a different agency's arrest number. The sheriffs are arresting me, but then later on, throwing in a Rogster Police Department's arrest number. And I'm like, I'm going, wait a second, what's what's going on here? Then I call the RPD. This number doesn't exist. I call the court. What case what is my my um docket tied to? What arrest number? They go to me, do you want the do you want our docket number or do you want the roster police arrest number? I go, I guess the roster police. And then they tell me the number, and it's the same number that they added later on. The Russian police have never arrested me. And they said, then when they're trying to look it up, they go, they go, yeah, this number doesn't exist. And the last time we've seen you were arrested is uh 2014. I go, really? I've been arrested seven times. I mean, two felonies, eleven misdemeanors, and eight violations. It's crazy. And why? All to cover up what the judge was having me go to court for in the beginning. No, and then there was no documented arrest, no charges, and then when I found out, it just led to more arrests. Then when I found out about what they were doing, it led to more arrests.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Well, it's just harassing. That's all it is at this point. It's just harassing.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

The last arrest, I wasn't even arrested. I was in jail, and all of a sudden they called me to court one day. They're like yeah, you have court in Greece. I go, for what? I they go, I don't know. I go, neither do I. I go, I wasn't even arrested by it. So I declined to go. And then all of a sudden I got called again two weeks later. I go, you know what, I'm gonna go. I want to see what's going on here. I was ar they told me that um, whatever, this is for a violation of an order of protection due to a TikTok video. And at that time, I didn't even use TikTok. Uh and the thing is, they also, I didn't tell you yet though about this, the sheriff stole my phone. Never had a warrant, no nothing, and then during the time they had it, I'm being arrested for violating an order of protection due to a TikTok video, which I didn't use TikTok, and it was due to a video where it said like corruption in Monroe County, and it had a document with my ex-girlfriend's name on it and my name on it. I was arrested for that. But it was funny, they attached the order of protection that I violated to the arrest paperwork. An unfiled, unsigned order of protection. I was going to court for six months for this thing. Until one day I go to the judge, because my lawyer is just an idiot. I go to the judge, I go, Your Honor, do you even have an order of protection signed by the judge? He goes to me, Mr. Odell, you're you're not the attorney, you need to be quiet. So I go to my lawyer and go, ask him again. So my lawyer asked him about it, and the judge again gets upset. I go, keep asking him, you know. So he asks again, and the judge goes, Oh, let me look. Acts like he's looking, and he knows he doesn't have nothing. He's looking, he's looking around, and he goes to the DA, you must have one, right? The DA goes, oh, I must have left it at the office. Yeah. So the judge goes, Well, I guess, well, we we have to we have to dismiss this due to not having one. Alright, case dismissed. It's like, really? So after all that time, I was, you know, I was going to court for an you know, for that one, that's all I had to do. My lawyer could have done that, but wouldn't. But here's the thing. How was the DA's office prosecuting me? But how would they even say, yeah, well, we're gonna give them charges for this? That's not the first time that's happened. Every order of protection that is filed with the court or filed at the county clerks or or anything, they're not signed. There's not one judge's. I have like five orders of protection not signed by a judge. No order, no, no, no order number, no CJTN, no New York State ID, nothing. It's almost like they're doing this just to keep my daughter away with a fake order.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Right, right. All right, so if they were all in front of you, or if they all could hear this, what would you like to say to them?

SPEAKER_02 28:54

I say it.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Yeah. Right, right. I don't blame you.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

I hope you all burn in hell for what you've done. Because guess what? God sees everything, everything is dark, comes to light.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Right. All right. Well, with that, thank you for listening. Okay, let's go.