The Better Body Lab Podcast

Can You Trust Biohacking Trends?

• Dr. Taryn Marie and Mike Alden • Season 1 • Episode 8

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What if optimizing your health isn’t about chasing the latest biohacking trend — but understanding what actually works for you? In this episode of The Better Body Lab Podcast, we sit down with Dean Donlon to explore how personalization, data, and foundational habits shape sustainable health optimization and long-term performance. Together, we cut through the noise in today’s wellness landscape and examine what truly drives results. Dean shares his journey from poor health to dramatically improving his biological age, highlighting the power of incremental change, consistency, and self-awareness. We explore why DNA testing and bloodwork matter for establishing a real baseline — and why personalization, not protocols, is the future.

We also unpack the reality behind biohacking trends, including EBOO (ozone therapy), peptides, NAD+, and emerging longevity technologies, while emphasizing skepticism, safety, and scientific integrity. This conversation reinforces a core truth: the most effective strategies are still the simplest — sleep, nutrition, movement, and behavior — applied consistently over time.

Dean Donlon:
Dean Donlon is a health, wellness, and longevity enthusiast with a background in strategic partnerships, growth, and brand development. He is helping lead Daymond John’s new initiative, SharkGevity, while also working with a DNA company launching new genetics tests. Dean works alongside experts in AI and innovation to help drive adoption, expand opportunities, and bring forward-thinking health solutions to market. 

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Key Timestamps:
00:00 — Future of Supplementation
04:30 — Evolution of Biohacking
10:12 — Dean’s Health Transformation
21:44 — EBOO Therapy Explained
42:17 — DNA & Blood Testing
54:15 — Peptides & Emerging Therapies
01:12:18 — The Enhanced Games

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SPEAKER_00

I'm curious, Dean, as you kind of like fast forward uh and you think about 10 years from now. What do you think if we all got together 10 years from from now, we would laugh about having believed today that we'll maybe find isn't true in the next decade?

SPEAKER_03

Well, I think there's gonna be a lot with uh supplementation and stuff. I won't get into exactly which ones. I think some uh some we're gonna probably find are fantastic, and I think a lot of them we'll find didn't really do too much as we have everything in the world in front of us now. You got take NNM, take NAD, take glutathione, take um NM, take methylene blue, carbon 60. I mean, the list goes on and on and on. I think what we'll find is in 10 years, I think we'll have a better food source since we're working on cleaning that up. I do believe in the supplementation now because our food supply is so bad, but I would say if we do things the right way and we fix the food system, uh in 10 years we'd be laughing about the amount of supplements and handfuls of pills that all of us are popping.

SPEAKER_01

Hi, thanks for watching and listening. My name is Mike Alden, that's Dr. Tara Marie.

SPEAKER_00

And this is the Better Body Lab Podcast. We're so excited that you're joining us, and we have an incredible guest today, Dean Donlin. Okay, so Dean, you are the head of Damon John's Shark Jevity Initiative, and not to mention a health enthusiast yourself. So let's kind of kick off with this idea of like a lot of people know Damon John from Shark Tank, but what is Shark Jevity?

SPEAKER_03

So most people by now know Damon's story of overcoming cancer. A few years ago, he found out he had thyroid cancer, and luckily he was able to overcome it and is cancer free. That led him into a change of how he looks at business and life and what a work-life balance really is, and the fact that working really hard was awesome and got it to where he's at. But what's the purpose if you're not going to be around? So he's really shifted into this kind of world of learning more about health. He's got to meet guys like Gary Breca, Dave Asprey, he's got Dr. Ong, we got partners with Protocol 4. We have all these amazing people that Damon gets to reach because of the amount of times, his travel, his speaking engagements and stuff. So he kind of came up with this premise like, I want to share this with the world because he's just a regular guy. He has sugar cravings. You know, sometimes when he lands on his birthday, he still wants to go to White Castle and eat some poisonous little burgers and everything. So he really came out with this kind of concept of like, I got to share my journey with the world. And that's where we started. And now it's kind of evolved because we've been meeting so many amazing people like you guys, all these other doctors, all these other enthusiasts, and people who actually care about sharing their health and their experience of what worked for them versus this is what I think you should do when I don't even know who you are. So that's where Shark Jevity kind of evolved from. We got a few partners that are chiropractors and um neurologists, practitioners that kind of fall into it. So we've started to build this ecosystem where the main thing is we all try all the products. Sometimes we're gonna be wrong. We might build a partnership with someone we think has a great product, later find out that you know it wasn't the best product. I think we're all just kind of learning this as we go. And that's what Shark Jevity is supposed to really represent is let's just figure it all out. Let's start a community, let's kind of test some things out, try some things out, encourage people to really look at what's gonna work for them through seeing what other people have tried and done. Like Damon likes to share his story of like, I've done, you know, he's been down to RMI and done stem cell exchange, we do exosomes, eBu treatments. And some of those things in that down the road we may not we may find don't work as well, just like you were you guys recently had someone talk about NAD plus. Well, a year ago it was all IVs for NAD plus and then shots for NAD plus, and now we're starting to find science at the IVs, from my understanding, give you zero uptick in your natural NAD plus. If you do the shots, I've heard rumors from two percent up to 20 to 30 percent of efficacy. Whereas then you have the other side of the coin. People are talking if you do high dose NM, that's the only way to increase your natural NAD production. So I think a lot of this stuff is still new, it's still evolving, the technology is getting better. I even look at the whole longevity and biohacking trend right now, is none of it's really new. Um, I'm sure, Mike, you've probably heard of FIBO before. It's the fitness and bodybuilding show that used to be in Germany, it was the largest health and wellness expo. Well, 20 years ago when I was at FIBO, we had red light beds, we had hyperbaric chambers, we had all this stuff. Now, to Dave Asprey's credit, he's just rebranded what we've already had into this new thing called biohacking, and it's created a new trend of health. Granted, the technology is way better today than it was 15, 20 years ago, but I think a lot of it is really just still an evolution of the technology and stuff, but now people are more open to trying it because we've all seen big pharma fail so many of our parents, aunts, uncles, friends. So I really look at it as like that's that's kind of where we're at, whereas we're all just learning most of this stuff. Like, how does light affect the body? I'm wearing yellow glasses. I believe that light affects your melatonin production and stuff. I'm not a scientist. So I don't know if that's really going to stand true in the future of like when you should and shouldn't wear certain colored glasses, different things like that. We know that the LED lights that are flashing all the time, we know those aren't good. But that's a simple solution that eventually lighting companies make better lights, and maybe we don't need to be playing these games of glasses. I don't know. But for now, I try everything.

SPEAKER_00

I love it.

SPEAKER_01

I I just want to say I love this introduction and the way you went about it. Because before we started filming, actually, I don't know, maybe we had it uh filming a little bit. We were talking about how, you know, we've had you know some pretty prominent doctors, MDs, PhDs. Uh, and you said, well, I'm not a doctor. And and I said, Well, you know, I actually appreciate that. And everything you just said is really great because, yeah, I mean, I I just did a, you know, I did a um uh cold plunge sauna, cold plunge sauna, and uh did a few minutes ago, and I'm like, I think it, I, I, I think I feel good. I think it's good for me. You know what I mean? Like, it's supposed to be good for me. Tarynette with uh asked a question uh to a couple um to uh one of our first guests about uh cold plunging for women. Is it should should women do it? You know, so I love what you said is and I I I had someone on my podcast years ago, and and it and it stuck with me ever since, um, you know, because I was we're talking about um diet, you know, and I was like, well, you know, I've tried vegan and I was vegetarian and I was keto and paleo and all these other things. And he said, you know what? You can try them all and just figure out which best works for you. And I love the, you know, we're gonna talk a little bit about the DNA stuff too, but you just don't know until you try. And I think it's just a it's very refreshing for you to say, well, you know, right now I think it works, it feels good, but maybe in I don't know, a year or so it might not. It's uh it's really the complete antithesis of where you see a lot of charlatans out there saying, This is the greatest thing ever, it's gonna change your world, it's gonna cure every disease. You're like, Well, I'm gonna give it a shot and see how I feel. It's great. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, definitely.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Oh good. And and I'll just mention when we um met with Jim uh Donaldson, who founded Restore Hyperwellness. One of the things that we asked him about is like, how how do people, you know, sort of suss out what products and services and you know and things to buy and and where might there be red flags? And actually I love one of the things that he said that I'll just bring back and then I'm gonna turn it over to you, Dean, to ask another question. He said, beware of anyone who is certain, you know, like beware, like these, you know, blue light glasses are gonna, you know, get rid of your migraines or you know, this BPC peptide is gonna, you know, holistically bring down inflammation in your body. Do we think that those things are true? We do, but we don't necessarily have enough research behind it. And to Mike's point, I love the you know conversation that you're bringing today because it's about uh, you know, sort of the ever evolving notion of how we optimize our health, um, our lifespan, our health span, our our well-being, our weight loss. Um but to your point, the research is changing and shifting all the time, and we get to keep up with that um rather than having a sense of certainty that like this is going to be the penultimate um so you know, one of the things in your title that I love is that you're a health enthusiast. That's such a good that's such a great element. Um talk to us about your own personal journey of being a health enthusiast and wanting to be somebody who is focused on optimizing his health and longevity. Where where did that begin and and what's that journey been like for you?

SPEAKER_03

Well, let's uh let's not skip the fact that I was a regular fat kid. I ate packs of Oreos, I used my strawberries as a way to scoop sugar into my mouth, um, all that good stuff when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_00

You know, my mom strawberry can be a very effective shovel, you know?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I would get a bowl of sugar and then my mom would give me strawberries, and I would just scoop the sugar into my mouth with the strawberry and and stuff. So uh as a kid, I was, you know, regular kid eating Pop Tarts, Oreos, donuts, all that fun stuff, having my one Pepsi a day and everything. Um, I played sports in high school and stuff, didn't know much about health and everything. Then I got lucky enough to score a job at a company called bodybuilding.com. And that's kind of what kicked off my journey of learning about health and nutrition. Um, it also kicked off my journey of learning about influencers promoting products that they may not use, but they get to get paid to do because there are a few really large fitness influencers I got to meet at bodybuilding.com. We would go to the gym, I'm like, you're not gonna take your pre-workout? They're like, hell no, I just drink black coffee. I'm like, oh, okay, even though you promote, you should use this pre-workout. That's the secret, is just stick to something simple that works, like black, mold-free coffee. So um from there, it kind of evolved. Really, the interesting thing that started me into health wasn't actually a focus on health. I was really focused on learning about sustainability, and that's for clothing, that's for plastics, that's for all this kind of stuff. And as I started to learn more about organic clothing and organic cotton, and I had, you know, buying sustainable plastic pants that were recycled plastic and stuff. And then as I was going down the sustainability route and that rabbit hole, I started reading about how, you know, just general stuff, your skin, which this is very obvious, we just never think about it. Your skin is your largest, most absorbent organ. It absorbs light, air, it absorbs everything. And then we wrap it in plastics. So from the sustainability focus, I started reading about oh, your skin absorbs the plastics and all the poisons from the clothes and the flame retardants and everything. And that's really what led me down to starting to look at the chemicals in my kitchen, anything like that. Luckily, this was 15 years ago when I got kind of into this kind of hippie method of using organic soaps and not using Clorox and stuff on the kitchen and all these things. I read articles where they're like, oh, men's testosterone is lower because our junk is right at the kitchen level, and with all these chemicals on a counter, it transfers through your clothes, all this stuff. So that's really how I got started on it was focusing on sustainability instead of longevity, and it evolved into me just kind of being a modern hippie. And then as I started getting a little bit older, I moved from Vegas to Oregon, um, stopped drinking. I was 205 pounds at one point when I first met Damon 15 years ago, believe it or not. Um, and then I just I quit drinking beer, lost a bunch of weight. We had our own garden, we had our own chickens, and just started naturally getting into feeling better, which led me into like, well, if I feel good, I'm not gonna go back to the other way. So that's I started cutting out sugar and everything. And that was about 10 years ago now, 10 to 12 years ago now. I met my current wife about eight years ago. She got me into yoga and little things. So it's been these little incremental changes over the last 15 years that have really led me into caring about my health. Now I went about 15 years without blood work or anything. So just last year was the first time I got blood work in 15 years because I refuse to go to doctors. I haven't been to a traditional doctor since I was about 21, just for an average checkup. Now I'm 42. So I haven't seen an actual doctor in a in about 20 years. Um, and then it's just that's kind of how I got into being healthy. And then I did my blood work, it came back. Of course, I had that fear of like, you know, I talk about being healthy all the time. I'm gonna get my blood work back, they're gonna be like, you got five months to live, buddy. But it came back, it was stellar. Then I did a DNA test, my biological age is 32, my chronological age is 42. So then I started to really realize, like, okay, cool, I'm doing all the right things. Um, I don't really give a lot of people guidance on what they should or shouldn't do, but I've had like mom, aunts, some uncles who were unhealthy, told them to look into certain things to help their gut biome, anything like that. Later they came around to me and they're like, hey, thank you. My doctor was, you know, didn't help me for five years. I took I went and did some research on what you said. I'm feeling better. So it was just a lot of little things that kind of led me into really going down this rabbit hole, being more passionate about sharing what I've experienced. And that's kind of how me and Damon started really getting into the health side is I worked with him 15 years ago on various little things, everything we went our own ways, and I've been working back with him now for three years. But we just really launched Shark Jevity back in the end of last year, beginning of this year, as a real initiative to get out there.

SPEAKER_01

You know, um on sharkjevity.com, one of the one of the main things you have on the top of the website is you know longevity made simple. Um and a lot of the things that you just talked about, uh changing your clothes, uh organic farming, uh you know, quitting the alcohol, um, yoga. The interesting thing about this, and I love what you said incrementally, right? It doesn't all happen at once, right? So you just started learning all these things. What I what I'd love for you to maybe even kind of like press in on a little bit is that most of those things you just said are free, right? I mean, organic food is can be difficult, organic farming, not necessarily free, but it can be very, you know, uh, it's not necessarily cost prohibitive, really, to anybody. Um, and and the yoga and the stopping the drinking, you know, I'm sure you probably were looking at maybe, you know, you know, the water that you're drinking, you talked about the chemicals that you're cutting out. Talk a little bit about, I know you also said that you don't necessarily want to tell anybody like what they should or shouldn't do, but all those things you just talked about, what are some of the things that you felt like had like the biggest, fastest impact on your overall health? Because that's what everybody wants, right? Everybody wants a quick thing, you know. Um, so biggest, fastest impact on your personal health that you think could probably help most people as well.

SPEAKER_03

I'd say eating clean. Cutting out the so I do eat a lot of sugar, just not added sugar. I eat goji berries, they have a ton of sugar, I eat mulberries, they have a ton of sugar. I put them in my skier, I eat raspberries, blueberries, all of those things. They have a ton of sugar. I eat honey, I eat maple syrup. As long as you're eating a good quality thing. So I won't like try to fear monger sugar because I love sugar. I just don't do anything with added sugar. And I think that is the biggest thing. I don't get into only buying organic. I think you should. But if it comes down to you're going to get a Twinkie or a salad, I'm not into like, oh, be afraid of the salad because of the oxalates and the kale and all this stuff. It's more like, okay, choose the salad now. Then eventually you'll evolve into, okay, do I want the organic salad or the pesticide salad? But the first step, replace the processed food with less processed food. I was lucky because we had an organic garden because we had a cannabis farm. So we had great soil, we had great kale, lettuce, tomatoes, carrots, everything growing right on the back patio. We had 13 chickens that laid a huge nest of eggs every day. So I got lucky that I was just in an environment that it was really easy to make those changes. And that's why I kind of get into like the first step is nutrition and sleep. I look at the four pillars that you can really focus on are quality sleep, nutrition, exercise, and your posture. Because a lot of people are in pain because we're all on our phones, we all sit here all day. And if you don't, you can do cold plunges all day. But if you have back or neck pain because of bad posture, a cold plunge, a red light bed, that's not gonna fix your posture. But doing light posture exercises can. So my four things that are easy to do that will make you feel better, get better sleep. And that means don't eat three hours before you go to bed so your body knows it's time to shut off, build that habit so your body knows it's time for bed. You know, everybody knows don't have your phone a couple hours before you go to bed. If you do, wear the right glasses, and just try to get your body to sleep better, feed it better, exercise more, and do some light posture exercises. You do those four things every day, and you'll incrementally see quick changes in in how you feel when you wake up. Love it.

SPEAKER_00

I love that too.

SPEAKER_03

And then going back to what you were saying earlier, Mike, one thing that I do find interesting and also exciting, but kind of comical, I guess, all at the same time is a lot of the times for me, like when I go into this stuff, I just do everything. So I don't really know what has made me feel better, what doesn't, hasn't until I quit doing it. Then if I still feel good, I'm like, oh well, that wasn't doing anything for me. But I see a lot of the the placebo effects. So, you know, there's a guys out there that sell there's tons of red light bed companies right now. Some of them are fantastic, some of them have great science, some of them have FDA registered equipment, and they're killing it. Some of them are really shitty beds from China that just have a good branding partner behind it. But since the as long as the beds aren't hurting you, I look at it as it's shifting that habit, right? So if I am somebody who can afford a hundred thousand dollar red light bed, I go buy this red light bed, even if it's not doing anything for me, it is giving me that habit where I get in it every day. If I'm getting in it every day, then it's going to start causing me to think, like, well, I red lighted today, I should do something else healthy. So I think they all kind of go together, but then you look at um, I just did a gut biome study with a company um uh uh called Chloe that works with uh biome, and that's bio.me. And of course I was doing their fiber study, but in the middle of that, I mean uh my wife went down to protocol four, I did an eBu treatment, I did an exosomes treatment, I did hyperbaric chamber, I did red light, I did cold plunge. So I'm like, I did all that stuff in the middle of the study, so I can't really like say, oh no, it was just because of this one product I used. So I think we kind of get into the comical side for me, is like even if you're doing something that's not actually working for you, it's causing that mental shift to start doing better things for you, anyways. So I don't really get upset at some of these guys. I may not believe in their protocol or anything, but if you get people to start thinking they're healthy, then they're gonna start doing things in a healthier manner. Wow.

SPEAKER_00

There's a there's no stronger effect in healthcare than the placebo effect. Amazingly so. So often we say, Oh, well, that's just the placebo effect. The placebo effect has cured cancer. It has Rid our bodies of parasites. It it is in the placebo effect is is absolutely incredible. So I I love you for highlighting that. Dean, I'd love for you just to unpack for us uh the the eboo uh that you did. Um that's gonna be a new term for a lot of our listeners. And so I'd love for you to share a little bit more about what that is, what that entails, um, and and why you engaged and call it that treatment or that uh that process.

SPEAKER_03

All right, yeah. So um I I hope I don't butcher this. EBU is extracorpical blood oxygen ozone. So what it does is it pulls your blood out, and I could be wrong, but this is my understanding. I'm not the expert. My friend DJ, he does Eboo, he's done it for Damon. That's kind of how I got into it. But they pull blood out.

SPEAKER_01

Sarah's really asking, by the way, because we both want to do it. So she that that's I mean, let's let I'm just I'm just gonna call her out on that.

SPEAKER_00

We're we're Eboo curious.

SPEAKER_03

I love it. I love it. And I can definitely introduce you to DJ, and he could run you through Eboo and and everything. Um, but basically, it pulls blood out of one arm, runs it through a machine, ozones the blood, and puts it back into your arm. Um, I did feel good afterwards, but like I said, I also did exosomes, everything else. So I can't say it was a game changer for me, but I do believe in it. Um from my understanding, you need to do it three times because they can't they don't do all your blood in one sitting. In the hour you're there, it's about a third of your blood. So they run through. So if you do it three times, you get the cleanest effect. Um, there are a lot of things that are could be concerning. Like there's a lot of people now on Instagram where they're showing um pulling blood clots out, which is invisible, yeah. Yeah, you you don't actually eboo doesn't pull a blood clot out of your system. That's usually either they set the machine up wrong or they did something wrong. So if they're pulling out strings of stuff, you're you're not at the best doctor for Eboo because they don't remove blood clots. That's kind of a thing that some some people are promoting now on Instagram. But from everything I've learned, that is a pardon the French, but a line of shit. Um so you want to make sure you have somebody who's done it before, knows what they're doing, they're certified with it, and they can do a great job. Talk to somebody else who's been through them, get word of mouth, something, don't just go find someone online just because they have an eboo machine and think they actually know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01

It's basically like analogous to in a way that I've heard the simple terms, it's it's it's almost like dialysis in a way, or like cleansing your blood, right? Is that's I mean for in its simplest form. But isn't there I don't even know either the so you have the eboo, but isn't there the other one where it does replace your blood plasma Taran? That's the one we were that with that's that's they have a blood plasma exchange, yeah. Oh, that's what what is it called?

SPEAKER_03

Uh I think it's blood plasma exchange.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you done that?

SPEAKER_03

No, I I personally haven't done that one yet.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. That's the one where you'd like Joe Rogan recently held up, you know, three bags of blood plasma. Um yeah, they're both they both sound very, very interesting to to both of us. Um we're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for eBu, like what are the what are the benefits that are thought to come of that? And is it a one-time thing or is it something that you're meant to kind of come back and do on a regular basis?

SPEAKER_03

Um where my understanding is right now, well, removing toxins and then adding uh ozone to your blood to improve your um oxygen and your blood flow is the general kind of premise from my understanding. Um what was the second part to the question? How often, maybe um well, so the for maintenance, you can do it um, I would say every one to three months, no problem. Um, Damon does it about once a month. There are some uh conversations being had now where if you do EBU before exosomes, it will give you a better uh uptake of the exosomes because when you clean your blood, you're cleaning out some of those blocked pathogens and toxins and stuff. So, from my understanding where the conversation is, if you do eBu before your exodomes treatment, you'll get a better effect of the exosomes as well.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's super interesting.

SPEAKER_01

Is it um what's the cost? Do you do you like I'm just curious, uh I think the blood class is more expensive, but what is it? So someone uh you know, one of our listeners or viewers wanted to do this. They're starting to uh these machines, you're starting to see them at a lot of different longevity clinics uh all over the country. Uh, do you do you recall the cost?

SPEAKER_03

They're usually um from my experience, it's usually between two and three grand. I would say you expect about 2,500 bucks and it takes an hour, and you're sitting there with a practitioner the whole time with a needle in each arm.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And do they do uh like a baseline blood, like what's in your blood before, and then they show you what's in after?

SPEAKER_03

Um, it depends on where you go, not necessarily everywhere does. Um, I did have my blood taken a couple hours before I did it, but we wouldn't know what was in my my blood when we did the actual eboo. Yeah, um, I would always suggest people get their blood work done beforehand just as a baseline.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah, it's not a requirement to have your blood checked beforehand and and stuff. And a lot of it, I think we're still, even with eboo, it's still new, and we're learning like you get this little jar of foam that comes off of the eboo machine. And as some people have said, oh, that's how many toxins you have in your body, or that's this or that. But I don't think there's any science behind that. So, from my understanding, we don't really know what the foam cup means. But for an example, my wife, her foam cup was overfilling with foam when she did the eboo an hour before me. And we live in the same environment, we eat the same, we do just about everything the same. My cup had hardly any foam in it at all. So we don't really know what the foam means, from my understanding. Um, and nobody I've talked to truly knows what it means. Some people say it's it's the toxins in your blood that were taken out. Other people who I trust a little bit more say no, that's not true, but no one's really explained to me what that that is that it pulls out of the blood.

SPEAKER_01

We gotta do it. We have we gotta do it.

SPEAKER_00

Super interesting. All right, so how about this?

SPEAKER_03

Where are you guys based at? Are you in Miami?

SPEAKER_00

We're in Philadelphia.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, in Philly, okay. I'll ask if we know anybody up in that area. I know uh my friend just trained uh the biological dentist that Damon went to up in New York, how to use his eboo. They do it out of Boca. So if you're ever down in the Miami area, you could always go up to Boca. I know E um DJ does a good job. Dr. Ong out of uh Arizona does a great job with eboo. And then I had, like I said, I've been seeing tons of doctors pop up on Instagram, but almost every one of them is saying, Oh, we pulled a blood clot out. And I'm like, Yeah, I wouldn't go to that guy.

SPEAKER_00

All right. So you hear you heard it here first, listeners. If they're pulling a blood clot out, this is not the eboo that you want to go to. It sounds like a good idea, but that is not an effective way to use this treatment.

SPEAKER_01

It reminds me, uh sorry, John, I know you have a question, but it just wondered it. I don't know if what here we go. Uh it reminds me of uh years ago, uh one we've you and I talked several months. We had a uh uh a massive uh campaign uh for a colon health product. Uh and um some of the images of the things that allegedly came out of people's bodies, uh, this is like pre-Instagram. That's um, I guess I'm dating myself. And uh yeah, and and even like right in the early stages of Facebook, you're like, I can't believe that that's in my body, allegedly. And that's the thing that makes people want to buy it because they're like, wait a minute, like I got parasites in me, or I got these, you know, like you said, these ropes or what have you uh in my body. Uh, and then that actually, I ended up doing um colon hydrotherapy. You want to be um humbled. Um uh that's uh allegedly one way that to cleanse out your system as well. But it reminds me of that, that that imagery that people see and they feel like they just want to get it out. And that's why also when you're talking to them, I'm like, okay, if my top if my blood is you know not pure, I wanna I want to clean it. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, Tyrant.

SPEAKER_00

That's all right. Yeah. Um, I just want to point out that while I have not done a DNA test, I am quite certain that my DNA will indicate that colon hydrotherapy and cold plunging and getting really hot in the sauna are just not for me. So I haven't done the test, but I'm pretty sure that's what my DNA would say.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, the best test is do it yourself and see how you feel, right?

SPEAKER_00

That's right. That's right. Okay. I love that imagery and uh the poisonous little white castle burgers uh that are still a temptation, you know, even for those of us that are really interested in optimizing our health and longevity. What is a habit that is secretly shortening our longevity?

SPEAKER_03

Oh my goodness. A personal habit of mine is I love red wine.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it doesn't have to be yours. Yeah, but um but you can you can give us the red wine. Are you gonna give us one for you and then like one for the masses?

SPEAKER_03

There's uh there's a lot, a lot of little things like the water most of us drink. I would say is is a big one that is shortening everybody's longevity because you know we're all just even the water bottles and the the aluminum ones are still wrapped in plastic on the inside. So I think not getting clean water is probably one of the biggest things that people could look into. And you can go to somewhere like Aquatrue and you can get a reverse osmosis for your counter for like 300 and something bucks. So I don't think there's really an excuse of not being able to afford clean water because you can just pour your tap water in the back of an aquatre and you get clean water.

SPEAKER_00

And then you mentioned for you red wine. Tell us tell us more about that.

SPEAKER_03

I just love red wine.

SPEAKER_00

And is it is it secretly shortening your longevity? Is it is red wine secretly?

SPEAKER_03

Well, I don't think any alcohol is good for the human body in in almost any sense. However, there are definitely blue zone studies where people live past a hundred and they drink, and you got the social benefit because laughing, having a good time with people is also part of longevity. So there's kind of a fine line with the, you know, do you have a little bit of a social lubricant and go have a good time once in a while, or do you drink heavily every single day? But I don't think any amount of alcohol is really beneficial for the human body.

SPEAKER_01

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SPEAKER_03

Um right now, most of the people we meet come from conventions or Damon speaking engagements and such. Um we've had a few uh brands we met just through Instagram. They just ping us on Instagram and we'll start a conversation there. And because as we talked about earlier, we don't really know what we don't know. Most of the time we'll I'll have a call with anybody. Um if Damon meets him at an expo and they explain stuff to him, um, then he'll throw them at me and say, you know, have a conversation with these guys. Usually what we do is the few of us on the team will just try the product out, um, see if we like the product, and kind of have a little bit of an internal, like, yeah, I didn't feel anything. I didn't like that. I don't know if you know that's a good product, bad product. We'll kind of have just a small internal conversation, get everybody's feedback. But then we'll kind of take uh after the first initial call, just see what someone's goals are, what how they may want to work with us. Um and it kind of develops from there based on what your needs are or what our needs are or where you're going. Like if you want to truly have Damon's name image likeness, that's a strategic partnership play that obviously has a different ticket than if you want to partner with us to be in the Shark Jevity box or I mean the Shark World box where we send um product out. So a few ways to work with us. If you have a product and you want us to get it out to Damon's Network, we have the Shark World box experience. That's usually 10k. You go into a thousand to 1,500 um curated boxes that go out to a thousand to 1,500 of Damon's influencer friends, CEOs, high net worth individuals, celebrities, goes out to this curated list. Um, that's one way to work with us, all the way up to if you want to do a strategic partnership, you want to have Damon's name, image, likeness, and have him shouting from the rooftops. A lot of times that would be what we would call a service day, and those can can range depending on what your needs are. If you want a whitelist with us, if you want to use it, public facing versus for internal communication. So that gets into a different detail, but we have just about every level of conversation depending on if it's a new company, they don't have a lot of funding, but they have a great product and some good science. So that's a different conversation than you know a giant conglomerate who's got a good product that we can improve, but they really just want to leverage Damon for his audience versus like, oh, we're we're figuring out the science behind this. So kind of a loaded question, kind of a long-winded answer. Um, the easiest thing to do is just hit up anybody on the team on Instagram or email or anything. You guys can paste uh or post my Instagram, you know, Maury, Chauncey, all the guys who are traveling with Damon, the president of his uh of Shark Group, Ted. Usually it's as easy as any of us are willing to have a conversation.

SPEAKER_00

Um when we think about uh sort of the you know, sort of the wellness industry, right? There's so many uh great products, but there's also a lot of products that feel um too good to be true and uh in some cases really are. When you sort of look at the wellness landscape right now, Dean, what is the biggest lie that you feel like the wellness industry is selling to people and maybe in particular high performers?

SPEAKER_02

Oh wow, that's a good question. Basically, who do I think is foolish?

SPEAKER_01

Basically, and just in a nicer way.

SPEAKER_00

But you don't you don't have to name names. You could uh talk about you know the product or the service, like uh, they're saying this is a thing, but it probably doesn't work.

SPEAKER_03

Um the one I'm the most uh skeptical about that that I don't know is a lot of the um EMF and the frequency protection stuff, like the necklaces and the the bracelets and all those kind of things that either give you a better frequency or try to protect you from EMF, those are the ones that I'm I'm not really shouting from the rooftop, like, oh, you gotta try this, you gotta do this. Um that would be the one I would say I'm not sure about. Obviously, if you have like a Faraday bag, you can get an EMF reader and you can check, like, okay, cool, my cell phone's not giving off anything. But with these little trinkets that they say like are helping with the EMF or your personal frequency, those kind of things, that that's the one where I'm not quite there yet. Especially if you if it's a necklace that is supposed to avoid EMF, but then you have to download an app on your phone for it to give you the best benefits. Some of those things I just don't really understand. So that's where I'm the most skeptical.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, those things have been around for a long time. We were talking to Gary Brecca about them, and there's just been a lot of bad science, a lot of bad products, a lot of, you know, major, you know, network marketing companies have, you know, have, you know, um generated a lot of revenue and and also generated a lot of hype uh with those things. It's uh I think you're right. There's a lot of yeah, there's just a lot of science that just doesn't even make any sense.

SPEAKER_03

And then there's somewhere it seems like the the people I've met with the company are really trying to, you know, prove that it does work and and they seem to have the right intentions. So I'm not sure maybe they work. Uh my experience has been a little different so far. So that would be the one thing I would say not to put your time and efforts into when we have all these other things to think about.

SPEAKER_04

Sure.

SPEAKER_01

You know, we're talking about a lot of different things, a lot of different products. Earlier, you had mentioned your age. You said that you're, you know, you're 42 years old. You know, if you know, someone listening or watching right now, um, if you could give them, you know, some advice uh on on something that they could do to increase their overall energy and their performance, or or some sort of way to to learn about where they're at in order to get to a level in which they really want to be at.

SPEAKER_03

Um, the best way to find out where to start would be to do the DNA test and blood work. Take the DNA test so you know what's going to work for you. Take the blood work so you have your baseline. And then if you know, if your sleep splent bad, if you're not energized, you can look at your blood work, work with a professional to start getting your levels where you need to be. And if you have your DNA test, then you can really see. I tend to believe that a majority of the health problems we have are imbalances in hormones, both for men and women. And if you don't do a DNA test, you don't know where your hormones are supposed to be. So my testosterone is a little low. If I didn't get my DNA test to know what my perfect ratio or my perfect window is, I would go in and they would probably pump me up because the highest my DNA optimizes at is 750. Well, being a little low, since you can go all the way up to 1100, I could go into go get some testosterone replacement. They'll pump me up to 800, 850. And then on my blood work, they're like, Oh, you're in the range. Well, that range is too high for me. So I look at do the DNA test, then the blood work, and then it's really easy to be able to see where your blood work's at and what you need to focus on instead of just focusing on everything. Take, you know, every product we get almost has B12 in it. Well, yeah, I know a lot of people are low on B12. Me and my wife, our last blood test, our B12 was through the roof. So it's like, oh, well, maybe we don't need to be shaking off all this B12, focus on the vitamin D. If your vitamin D is only a little bit below what your DNA says, then maybe you just got to do 10 minutes of sunlight in the morning and you don't need to supplement as heavy. But if it's way below where you need to be, then you need to find the right Vitamin D. It might be methylated vitamin D. You might be fine with regular vitamin D. You might need to just change your diet up. So that I think is where to start is find out what you're genetically inclined and predisposition to be at, and then get your your blood work. And instead of doing blood work every year, do it every three months. So you're really tracking, like, okay, cool, my vitamin D is in range, and all the important markers are in range. And I think that's the easiest way to get to an optimized energy level.

SPEAKER_01

You know, uh, thank you for that. But I also want to um follow up on that. So like I do uh started to have my blood levels tested, you know, um monthly. Um but there's a difference between the blood and the DNA. So they're two different tests, yes?

SPEAKER_03

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

And tell me the.

SPEAKER_03

The DNA shows where what your genetics are to be optimized or where you may have downfalls and stuff, but your DNA doesn't necessarily mean where you're at as a human being. Like I'm susceptible to certain things in my DNA that are going to be low, um, and it'll be affected more by my diet or the chemicals I come in interaction with and stuff. But your genetics are just what you're genetically predispositioned to be, and your blood work is what you where you actually are in your health journey.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's great. I think uh that's one thing that that that I need to do. Don't we have one here? Don't we have a DNA test here that we're supposed to be taking?

SPEAKER_00

I think I I I really love that. We can talk about where the tests are later. Okay, okay. Uh, but I really love how you said that because um I think it gives us a view into two points in time. The DNA is like, where are we coming from? What's our history, what's our natural predisposition. And then our blood test can give us that baseline for where we are today. Our DNA test can tell us also where we're going in the future, and then our blood test can help us track that. And I think one of the things that a lot of people aren't doing right now is they're not getting any baseline testing, whether it's DNA or blood, before they start. So then we don't know the impact of those treatments, whether it's peptides or hormones or GLP1s, which are also peptides. And so I love that you're talking about actually getting both of those tests, DNA and blood work.

unknown

That's great.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it really it really helps to know where you're supposed to be instead of just what they generalize across the board for everybody with your blood work.

SPEAKER_00

So we talked a little bit at the beginning of this show about the shifting thinking around NAD, and that um it's quite likely, given some of the more recent science, that our body doesn't have the capability to kind of carry that NAD that we take uh intravenously or through IV across the cell membrane. I'm curious, Dean, as you kind of like fast forward uh and you think about 10 years from now, what do you think if we all got together 10 years from from now, we would laugh about having believed today that we'll maybe find isn't true in the next decade?

SPEAKER_03

That's a an interesting question. What well I think there's gonna be a lot with uh supplementation and stuff. I won't get into exactly which ones. I think some uh some we're gonna probably find are fantastic, and I think a lot of them we'll find didn't really do too much as we have everything in the world in front of us now. You got take NNM, take NAD, take glutathione, take um NNM, take methylene blue, carbon-60. I mean, the list goes on and on and on. I think what we'll find is in 10 years, I think we'll have a better food source since we're working on cleaning that up. People are talking about the having the right conversations about regenerative soil, healthy soil. I think once we get true truly back to having healthy soil and we grow healthy plants in pesticide-free soil, I think we'll find that the supplements are probably much less needed than we think. I do believe in the supplementation now because our food supply is so bad. But I would say if we do things the right way and we fix the food system, uh in 10 years, we'd be laughing about the amount of supplements and handfuls of pills that all of us are popping and trying to fulfill. Where my belief is if you have high-quality organic grown foods, you're gonna get most of your nutrients from them.

SPEAKER_01

Uh I'd like to follow up on that. Uh, you know, the name of the company is Sharkgevity, right? So play on Shark Tank and longevity. And uh, you know, Tara and I are fortunate enough to know a lot of people in this space. We're in this space ourselves and in our businesses. And um, you know, we get to interview people here as well that are that are you know pioneers and and leaders in this space. One of the themes that we're starting to see, and there's a there's a clinical trial right now that's happening over at MIT, uh, is about you know actual aging and the ability to live much longer. What what are your, I mean, you've been in this space for a very long time as well, as we talked about earlier. What are your thoughts on, you know, the the true longevity, you know, of people now as we sit today? So I'm 51 and you know, we hear if you live five more years, you know, you could live to 120. What are you seeing? Do you believe that? Like what are some of the things that are out there that you've come across that seem to think that, you know what, yeah, 120 is is a real age that people can live to and and feel good about it.

SPEAKER_03

I strongly believe that uh that that's not unachievable, especially these days with even things outside of the longevity space. Like you look at a back surgery now. Back in the day, if you had to get uh a back surgery, they had to cut your back muscles, they had to go in, they had to do this massive amount of work. Well, now they just do a little slit in your stomach, they move your intestines and stuff aside, they can fix things up, and you're back within three to four weeks. Where historically, after back surgery, your muscles would heal and they would just be stacked because your muscles won't grow back together. So even those kind of technological advancements in how we do surgery and stuff, I think is changing the game for how long people are gonna live because your body's gonna heal faster after a surgery, it's less invasive, and it just sets you up without having any of the negative effects that surgery used to have. Knee surgery used to be nearly impossible to recover from shoulder surgery. Now you got guys who are in there getting surgery, three, four weeks later, they're back bench pressing, they're back doing almost like nothing happened. So I think just the technology alone is evolved enough where we're going to be able to solve a lot of those problems. And then I do believe that the body is very regenerative. And if we, you know, all of us live in toxic environments now, even if you're trying to be a longevity expert, you jump on an airplane that's just a toxic tube flying through the air with horrible oxygen, feeding you a bunch of poisons in the air and all those kind of fun things. So I think as we're learning just in general how to treat the body and react to the atmosphere we're around, I do believe that you everybody will live past 100.

SPEAKER_01

That's good news. It's good news. I'd like to hear that.

SPEAKER_03

So you're you're you're not even halfway there yet at 50.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I told my I tell people all the time, I told my daughter, for whatever reason, before we were even looking at this stuff, 109. So uh, and uh so that that's that's my initial goal. So we'll see, we'll see uh how how we uh how far we get.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. Even before you know the last few years of longevity, I always said I was gonna live at least to 115. So now it just seems like it's more realistic.

SPEAKER_01

All right, all right. I like that. I like that.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. That's exciting. Um we haven't talked a lot about we're talking about lifespan right now. We haven't talked a lot about health span. Um Dean, how do you and Damon and the folks at Shark Jevity, how do you think about the, you know, health span, the idea of the number of healthy years that we get to live versus lifespan, which is the number of years that we're alive. I know you know that, define that for our audience. Um, how do you think about investing in ourselves in a way that extends both our health span and our lifespan?

SPEAKER_03

I think they kind of align with each other. Um, our kind of view is what would the purpose of a long lifespan be if you don't have a long health span? So when you get into those older, older age, older years, do you really want to live through those not being healthy? Or do you want to, you know, increase your health span to match your lifespan? So I think um Yeah, I think they kind of align together. And I think if you if you're focused on the things that are going to give you a longer lifespan, I think they're gonna kind of align with the same things that'll give you a longer health span.

SPEAKER_00

Do you think those things really just kind of go like hand in hand, arm in arm? Things that are gonna increase your health span are also gonna increase your lifespan.

SPEAKER_03

I believe so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I love that. Um what about there's quite a bit of conversation and Mike and I are really enjoying seeing some of the ways that our uh industry, if you will, of of wellness and and health is expanding. Um are you are you having many conversations about kind of peptides in general inside of uh Shark Jeopardy? And um, you know, if so, are you focused on any thinking about kind of the research peptides, GLP ones, both? What are what are your feelings on kind of peptides overall and research peptides and GLP ones?

SPEAKER_03

Um overall, I'm very excited about peptides. Um, I think there needs to be a massive amount of research and science done on most of them um before we get too excited about them. Um most of us have tried some peptides, used some peptides. Um, but since it is still kind of a uncharted territory for a lot of reasons, I don't really talk too much about it. I we do have partners we work with that that sell peptides, we use peptides. Um but yeah, I don't really talk too much about it because I don't really know the science and I'm still a little skeptical on which peptides are going to come out as shining stars and which ones might be in 10 years, one of those things you mentioned earlier, where we're looking back laughingly and like, do you remember when everybody was shooting that up and then we found out it did nothing? Kind of like the NAD plus IVs that that got really big for a while and now are cutting back. Um, so we don't get into too many conversations about peptides besides trying to understand them, learn them. We don't really promote them um due to obviously legal reasons and and medical purposes. But in general, I'm a big believer in them, and I'm really excited to see once we start learning the science and stuff. Because I've had I had a friend of mine, he was out hunting, his dad um they had two trucks back to back. He was loading a deer, his dad accidentally reversed, and they smashed his legs between the two trucks.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03

The doctor was like, This is gonna be a long journey because it shattered his bones. He started doing a ton of BPC 157, the TB500, and he is healed in an unbelievable manner. Um, so I've personally know people who peptides have significantly changed their lives. However, the science and everything behind it isn't really heavy out there, so I don't get too far into like, yeah, let's use um GLP1 or Retruditite or any of these other ones, because I just don't know enough about each one. And that's yeah, that's kind of where I'm at with the peptides.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I will say, from our perspective and and for our listeners, there is a tremendous amount of science behind GLP1s, behind some semi-glutide or semaglotide, trzeptide, retitrutide, lyriglutide. They've been around for more than two decades. So those have actually been um extremely well studied by physicians and drug companies. A lot of people, uh, and this is for our listeners, a lot of people think that GLP1s just sort of uh showed up with Kim Kardashian a couple years ago, but uh we do have more than two decades of research, both in terms of the sort of acute impact of GLP ones, but also in terms of the long-term impact of GLP1s on our bodies. Um, however, when we talk about what we're calling the research peptides, the BPC 157, the TB500, the alphabet and and number soup of peptides for folks who are not familiar with that world, um, the evidence is entirely anecdotal, right? I mean, it's it's a little bit funny that we call them research peptides because there is no research on them at all. Right? Like how many research studies have been conducted on the research peptides as a body of peptides in humans? Zero. There are zero right.

SPEAKER_02

That's what that needs to change.

SPEAKER_00

To your point, you know, we don't know if it's the placebo effect, if it's, you know, sort of the ana there's anecdotal evidence, like your friend. Mike and I have uh our own personal evidence, right? We uh we ourselves inject BPC 157 and BP um sorry, BPC 157 and TB500, um, and amongst other things. And we've seen tremendous gains, faster healing from injuries, um, but there are no definitive research studies on humans to demonstrate that our experience is accurate in what's happening internally for us. You know, I for me personally, uh I've been in my own journey recently of having founded the Resilience Leadership Institute, of you know, having written a best-selling book. And um, I'm really excited about this work of health optimization and longevity. And for me, it really feels like, and for Mike and I together, it feels like we get to expand the aperture of resilience in terms of what I was doing on leadership and mindset, and begin to think more broadly about biological resilience, physiological resilience. Um but I'm also in a moment of transition and looking at, you know, how does that all fit together? And thinking about writing another book on burnout, but also being in a moment where I'm having symptoms of burnout and saying, Is this the time to write the book on burnout? Because I can draw from my own experience and I can tell my own stories along with the stories of others in a sort of authentic and vulnerable way. Um do I do I sort of press pause and wait till I figure things out and and then go forward? So um I think there's you know, um what's the what's the word? Sort of the the the meta elements right that are happening alongside this work for me personal personally are fascinating alongside being 47 years old, you know, probably in the midst of perimenopause and starting to think about how do I um really attend to like fluctuating hormones and what experiences and emotions and um you know that I'm having and how much of that is sort of based in reality and how much of that might be being influenced by this sort of perimenopausal moment that I'm in. And then Mike, you know, is in the unenviable position of helping me like sort through all of those component pieces.

SPEAKER_01

We're pot we're patents, as we as we say, from Boston.

SPEAKER_03

So I would say on your note about the book, that's a great thought. And I've never written a book, but I would say put all your thoughts together while you're going through the burnout. That way you can draw from the personal experience and then write the book after you're you know come out the other side of the burnout and you're feeling it. Because then you can relate back to like, oh now I know why I was feeling that way. Because if you wait, then you might forget a lot of those feelings of what it felt like to wake up and be like, I don't want to do this shit today.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah, and it's so interesting because there's a lot of corollaries between burnout and perimenopause. Um and we were just talking about this um with Gary Brecca. We were talking about burnout. You know, the symptoms of burnout are not immediately um uh they're not immediately sort of recognizable, right? Just like the symptoms of perimenopause, right? So the you can start to have brain fog with perimenopause, weight gain for no apparent reason. You're like, just what is going on? You know? And the same thing with burnout. It's like you can wake up and just not feel like doing stuff, just not feel motivated, just not find joy in the things that you used to find joy in, or you're not looking forward to things, or you have trouble making decisions, right? And so there's also um, I think I think those two things are really interesting and really important to talk about because a lot of people that are in burnout actually don't realize they're in the early stages. They're just like, why can't I get motivated?

SPEAKER_03

Why is it the stuff that I what happened to that fire that used to be under me? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly, exactly. Yeah, super fascinating.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Do you uh do you guys happen to believe that a lot of that may align with hormone imbalances for men and women?

SPEAKER_00

Um so I would say I'm so you know, I have a doctorate degree in in neuropsychology, and so I like to think about both the uh research, kind of the uh the body of empirical evidence that exists, or that I'm presently aware of. And then I also like to think about, you know, sort of the the case studies, right? The N of one, or like what's my experience been, or the sort of the anecdotal uh elements of it. Um and so I would say I'm not aware of a lot of studies that have actually looked at the experience of burnout, and then in addition to that, have tracked sort of the hormonal levels of men or women.

SPEAKER_03

They may be out there in the body, you know, the body of sort of peer-reviewed journals and literature is is Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of a lot of science tracking that. I mean, look at women's health. There's not much at all about like you can't even, from my belief, you can't even prescribe a woman testosterone without writing it, like you're writing it for a man and then telling her that she needs to take a smaller dose because they just don't have a way to do it.

unknown

That's right.

SPEAKER_03

So looking at like, you know, like you're saying, it's hard for me to believe that there's much science because there's just never even been a conversation about the different hormones. It's like, oh, men need testosterone, women need estrogen. Well, no, we we convert it differently, we need progesterone, estrogen, we need testosterone, we all need all of them, and it's what levels are the best for us. That's why I tend to believe that I think a lot of the challenges that we see in in health today, I I tend to believe that a lot of them could get solved if we focused on optimizing and researching those things for men and women, not just a single testosterone or anything, the whole scope of what those hormones do in your body. And that's another reason I go back to the DNA test is where do you need to be as an individual in all these markers, not just let's generalize you and oh look, everything's in balance. Well, you don't know what my balance is unless you have my DNA.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I I couldn't agree with you more. And I would just add to that um that we also think about as as I'm sure you do at at Shark Jevity, right? Is like precursors and sort of the order of operations. So I think what's also really interesting to think about that I don't think we have a lot of research evidence on, is um did my did my burnout start because I'm overwhelmed and exhausted? And then did that have a negative impact on my hormones? Or as then I entered perimenopause, it became more difficult for me. You know, or is it sort of the the opposite of that, like chicken and egg, right? In the sense that um my hormones are fluctuating, I'm fighting through brain fog and fatigue. And as a result of my hormones shifting, now I'm experiencing, you know, broader symptoms burnout in my life. Or they could also happen in parallel tracks, you know. So I think we have so much to learn and understand and it's really interesting.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's a really interesting thought right there of like which one which comes first. Do I get burnt out and then my hormones get worse? Or was my hormone imbalance because of my diet and everything, what led me to this burnout and everything? That's an interesting perspective.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, a bit of a chicken and the egg conversation. Or it could also be happening on parallel tracks and it could be different for different people, you know. But then I think when we understand, you know, if there is one that's a precursor that happens before the other, that we could also then differentiate how we treat those symptoms of burnout if it's you know, call it, you know, maybe mindset led, you know, versus hormone or physiologically led.

SPEAKER_03

And that plays into the conversation about placebos as well, right?

SPEAKER_00

It sure does.

SPEAKER_03

Just wake up every day and tell yourself in the mirror my hormones are perfectly balanced. My hormones are perfectly balanced, and you know, then you're good to go.

SPEAKER_00

Hey, believe it till you become it.

SPEAKER_03

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

I've got one more question for you, Dean, and and anything Mike has for us, and anything you have for us. Um, what is your favorite health optimization practice each day? What do you just love to do that you know contributes to your overall health and longevity?

SPEAKER_03

My favorite thing to do is cold plunge. I love being cold. So in the winter when they turn the pool off and the pool gets basically frozen, I love going swimming in it. So I would say my favorite thing is cold showers and cold plunge.

SPEAKER_01

Here's my follow-up. What temperature?

SPEAKER_03

Um I don't eat we do just bags and bags of ice, so I don't actually know what the temperature is. I would say it's probably between around 40 to 45 degrees.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we were um over at the Breck is in in in, you know, people have seen that room on Instagram, and I uh and and I noticed it the temperature was set at 53, and uh my cold plunge has always been around like 45. Uh and uh he's like, no, no, he's like, you know, 50 is fine. It's the there's no difference between 45 and 53. And I was like, okay, cool, like I'll I'll I'll increase the temperature. So I don't have to deal with the pain. Uh today I got in and for some reason uh it must have turned off last night. And I was in it for you know, I was just like, wow, this is really easy. And then I saw the temperature was like 54. Um so um, but yeah, I don't it's that's good to know.

SPEAKER_03

Now you can give yourself a longer, less painful three minutes, you know, bump that thing up to 53 and yeah.

SPEAKER_00

My my DNA would like me to be in something that's around 70. And then the last thing that I wanted to ask you is I you know, I read through your JOT form. Um, is there anything in particular that you're working on right now or things that you really want us to ask you about to highlight the work that you're doing or what's sort of topical for you all at Shark Jevy?

SPEAKER_03

Um one of the big focuses that we're working on right now, working with a few partners, is we're looking at launching a DNA test. As our belief is with all these modalities, there's tons of stuff people should and shouldn't do, but we never really know unless we get our actual DNA test. And I've been having a few more conversations with friends who they were either low on vitamin D, for example, and they take a ton of vitamin D supplements, but their vitamin D with their blood work doesn't go up. While they do a DNA test, they find out that they need methylated vitamin D for their body to absorb it just because genetically they can't absorb and convert regular vitamin D. Some people probably shouldn't do cold plunges genetically, some people shouldn't do red lights genetically. And finding all those things out about you as the individual is kind of the main thing that I push. Yeah, everybody could jump into cold plunges, but I had a friend that owns a longevity lounge. He had a client come in. Oh, I cold plunge every day. He's like, Well, what are you cold plunging for? Well, the guy had a vaso-restriction problem where his veins weren't getting big enough. So you're doing the wrong thing by jumping into cold. You need to be in heat, so your veins will open up. So there's a lot of little things I think people get lost in all the trends, everything going on. You got vagus nerve stimulators, you got them for your ears, your throat, you got cold plunge, you got hot saunas, you got infrared, you got red lights, you have all these things, and nobody really knows where to start. So I kind of go off the premises start with your DNA test and your blood test and have a baseline of who you are and what you need. The thing that I also run into with people with DNA tests are they take the DNA test, and this is what happened to me. I got the results back, and in my mind, it goes to it's saying that's what I am. And I'm like, I don't do that, that's wrong. But it's a reminder that that's your what you're genetically inclined to be, but your blood work is where you actually are right now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And and let's end on the DNA test. What is the name of the DNA test and and where can folks uh find that through Shark Jevity Dean?

SPEAKER_03

Um, so right now I'm working with a partner um and a scientist and a group of guys out of the UK. So they've launched it in the UK. We're just getting things together to launch it here now. It'll be DNA script, it'll be the name of the actual product. Um and we're hopefully gonna have that launched here within the next 30 to 40 days, um, with just a really soft website and everything, and then kind of figure it out from there. So um that's our goal is to have it launched before the enhanced games, which I believe is May 20th here in Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_01

Amazing.

SPEAKER_03

Which have you guys looked into the enhanced games very much?

SPEAKER_01

I was supposed to ask, what are the enhanced games?

SPEAKER_03

So I haven't known too much about it until my partner told me that they brokered a deal to kind of use it as the launch for the DNA test here in the US. Um, so looking into it, the enhanced games is a new basically boarding body that allows you to use any legal um enhanced drugs.

SPEAKER_01

So that's what I thought it was. I need to hear, I keep going. I need to hear more about this.

SPEAKER_03

So it has to be legal, you gotta do your blood work, DNA tests, all those kind of things. But then you can take anything that's legal to increase your performance within those parameters. So they have, I think they put like somebody, I've heard some rumors that it was over 50 mil into this. Uh so far, there's a huge prize package. Um, so it seems like it's gonna be pretty interesting. There's been quite a few pretty high-level athletes that uh have committed to coming over to it. So I haven't checked out all of the different um events and stuff they're gonna do yet. But from a top level, it seems really interesting to see how it's gonna be taken too. I think a lot of people are gonna really enjoy it. There's a lot of money on the line. So if you're able to optimize yourself to what's your genetic, you know, premium level of of performance, it's gonna be really interesting to see if we're breaking records, if you just see like this whole new level of athlete come out of this.

SPEAKER_01

So this is um, I know we're getting we're getting to the end here, but this is something that like uh like the the doping, whatever the the whoever like uh is the the the body that that's looking at like the Olympians and things like that. This is outside of that. So in other words, they if if if it's like you said legal, right? They are are we saying that they can they can use testosterone, they can use some oralin, they can use uh you know, some I maybe I don't even know, some doping techniques as long as it's legal.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. That's my understanding as well.

SPEAKER_01

So great. The records are gonna be destroyed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, Mr.

SPEAKER_01

Olympia in Mr. Olympia, they they tried to go um no steroids and for a couple years, and like no one showed up. And I was talking to a friend of mine who competed in Mr. Olympia, and he said when they tried that, they had no judges, no audience, and and no entrance. So yeah. Yep. The enhanced games, that that's uh I whoever whoever decided to go out with it. I I uh I've said that I'd love to start a baseball league where steroids is legal and they use aluminum bats.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, could you imagine really big field? I was gonna say you'd have to double the size of the field.

SPEAKER_01

We're getting off, we're getting off script. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, Dean, we want to thank you for being here with us. This was absolutely amazing. We loved learning more about shark jevity and what you're doing in terms of health optimization and longevity with Dame and John. We are absolutely gonna be on the lookout for the DNA test, DNA script, and the enhanced games sound really cool too. So we're gonna drop a link to that uh in our show notes. And until this post or this uh podcast comes out, um, we just wanna thank you for being here with us, for sharing your knowledge, um, for uh giving our listeners uh more information, more data, more perspective on how they can create a better body, a better mind, and uh be able to optimize not only their health, but their lives. So thank you so much for being here.

SPEAKER_03

It's been my pleasure. I I really appreciate it, guys, and thank you to you guys for taking the time to chat with me.

SPEAKER_00

Our pleasure. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01

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