Why You Haven’t Met Your Ultimate Self Yet

What if the version of you that feels “normal” is actually far from your true ultimate potential? In this episode of The Better Body Lab Podcast, we sit down with Gary Brecka to explore how health optimization and performance are shaped not by age — but by what’s missing from your biology and daily life. Together, we challenge the idea that fatigue, brain fog, poor sleep, and chronic pain are just part of aging. Gary reframes these as signals, often rooted in nutrient deficiencies, toxic load, and chronic stress, and explains how many people are operating at a fraction of their capacity. We explore the difference between “sick care” and true preventive health. We also unpack the deeper drivers of longevity, including community, purpose, and meaning, and why relationships may be one of the most powerful predictors of lifespan. From peptides as natural signaling molecules to the impact of processed foods on metabolism and satiety, this conversation blends science with practical insight to help you think differently about your health.

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Key Timestamps:
00:00 — Flaws in the Healthcare System
06:39 — “Sick Care” vs Prevention
10:11 — Immuno-Fatigue & Aging
14:24 — Loneliness & Health Risk
25:49 — What Are Peptides?
41:09 — Food & Ingredient Breakdown
54:22 — Defining the Ultimate Human

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

You know, what matters to Americans? What matters to the 7 million moms across America? You know, what are big resonating issues like physical education in the public school system, petroleum-based dyes out of our food supply, removing black box warnings from female hormone therapy, getting whole foods back into our hospitals and into our public schools? These big issues that are not designed to fix the healthcare system, but to keep people out of the system. Because the truth is of the 80 or of the $5 trillion that we spend every year on healthcare, which has led us to believe to be the sickest, fattest, most disease-ridden nation in the world, you know the United States only leads the world in five things morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, multiple chronic disease in a single biome, infant mortality, and maternal mortality. So spending does not equate to outcomes.

SPEAKER_04 0:50

It doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Yeah, I get angry too. So I'm trying to change it.

SPEAKER_05 1:23

That's Dr. Tara Maurice Daisy, and this is the Better Body Lab Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Hey there, the Better Body Lab Podcast listeners. We have such a treat for you today. If you have not heard of Gary Breckham, well, this is gonna be amazing for you, and we'll also have a talk later about the rock that you're living under. Because Gary is the founder of the ultimate human that is not hyperbole. And if you're watching the video, you've even got the t-shirt on, which is now the largest media platform for wellness and longevity, which we were just saying before we came on, is such social proof that this message is deeply important and resonating with so many people.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Yes. Yeah, so exciting. You know what?

SPEAKER_05 2:21

Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

I think before we get started, come on, where are you with your ultimate human swag?

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Yes. I was so close. I had it within grasp, and then I just lost it.

SPEAKER_05 2:45

For those listening, I just put on uh the ultimate human habit that Gary actually gave both of us. This is this actually, gonna be honest, is probably Tamerin's habit because I pulled it from a different closet. So this is probably hers.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

So we are so delighted to have you with us here today. And I think one of the things that I would just love to start with is that so many people I think are accepting a quality of life, a reduced optimization of their health, um, then maybe they actually need to. And so, Gary, what is one thing that millions of people normalize that is actually a sign of declining health? And what can we do about it?

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Yeah, so what's interesting is we normalize different things at different ages, right? So, you know, if you're my parents' age and they're approaching their 80s, um, all of their friends are on cardiovascular medication. They're all on beta blockers or calcium gel blockers or ACE inhibitors because they have high blood pressure. You know, and generally in the menopausal years, you'll find that that class of women is on uh thyroid medication. You know, very often uh they're on hormone therapy or they should be on hormone therapy, but they've normalized things like brain fog, weight gain, water retention, poor sleep, poor focus, poor concentration. The truth is that what we've normalized are things that we chalk up to a consequence of aging, but they're not a consequence of aging at all. They're a consequence of missing raw material in the human body. And so for example, I'll give you a perfect example. You know, if you when as we age and you know, all of our friends start experiencing knee, hip, back, shoulder pain, rotator, cuff pain, then it just sort of normalizes it in our social circle. And you're like, yeah, I have a bad back. I'm 58 years old, I'm 60 years old. Um, of course I'm on blood pressure medication. I'm in my 60s. Um, yeah, I've been on thyroid medication all my life. All my friends are on thyroid medication. What we've done is normalized um the introduction of chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals. Um, more of what man makes us, less of what God gave us. And what we've also normalized is not feeling normal. You know, it's it's really common for my clients to call me after working with me for like six or eight weeks or 10 weeks and go, oh my God, Carrie, I feel amazing. And I'm like, you actually don't feel amazing. Um, they're like, what? I go, you feel normal. That's how normal is supposed to feel. We're supposed to have the libido of a lion, the waking energy of a tiger. You know, you're you're not supposed to wake off with uh wake up with brain fog. Your feet, you know, the soles of your feet and your ankles are not just supposed to be sore and achy when you walk to the bathroom to take your first pee. You're not supposed to feel like you had a workout the night before when you haven't, when you first wake up in the morning. You know, libido is not supposed to leave the building. You can thrive until you're in your 80s, um, in terms of, you know, your sexual energy. And so what's happened is, you know, we have accepted a constantly eroding baseline sense of normalcy. You know, it's like when you get the flu and you finally peel yourself off the bathroom floor and you feel normal again, you feel amazing because of the perspective of having been sick. And I would argue that more than 80% of Americans right now are walking around at 50% of their true state of normal. And they could be as as close as a single nutrient away from feeling fully optimal. And if they knew what that nutrient was and they put it back in their body, it would make all of the difference in the world. And it may be several nutrients, but you know, I don't believe that we're as sick or diseased or as pathological as we think we are. I think we are nutrient deficient.

SPEAKER_05 6:39

You know, I when I think about the healthcare industry, and I've listening to what you just said, and I think about my own doctors and some of the things that I've gone through as I as I age. Um, you know, I've heard this before. I've heard people say that our healthcare system in the United States is not a healthcare system, it's more of a sick care system. Um, and where we're just given these medications to maybe just kind of maybe mask some of the symptoms that we're going with, you know, that are that are that we're dealing with. But in all reality, like you're saying, I saw one of your videos recently where you said, hey, you know, if you have a headache, you know, it's not because you know, you need some NSAIDs, you you need nutrients. Yeah. And it's interesting. So my I score, my my my long-winded uh intro to this question is is does it need to start with our practitioners and the people that we're going to and seeing on a daily basis and having them being more educated on the things that you're talking about that obviously seem to be resonating with the public?

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Well, you know, I mean, sadly, they're just playing within the system, they're they're playing with the hand that was dealt to them. You know, I don't think that there's a sinister move by practitioners of any in any era of medicine to keep people sick or intentionally, you know, keep people unhealthy. But what we've done is we've built an industry around symptom maintenance and disease management, right? All of the money is in disease management and symptom maintenance. Type 2 diabetes is a $110 billion annual industry alone, just type 2 diabetes. So don't think that there's some uh you know meeting going on in some boardroom around America figuring out how we get that $110 billion off the balance sheet. And so we we've developed a system for reimbursements, for diagnosis and for symptom maintenance and disease management. And it's the only system that licensed clinicians in inside of this system can get paid to make a living on. We don't have diagnostic codes for dietary and lifestyle changes. We don't have diagnostic codes for stress management, for breath work, for grounding, for sunlight, um, for relationship management. And so what we have is we have a healthcare system that is profiting from the maintenance of disease and the symptom management. And the reason for that is that, you know, we we we should focus less on trying to fix the bloated healthcare system than we should on trying to keep people out of the system. You know, I sit on Bobby Kennedy's Maha Action. Uh, I'm the chair of Maha Action, which is this public-private partnership between health and human services and the public sector to really help message around what matters to Americans, what matters to the 7 million moms across America? You know, um, what are big resonating issues like physical education in the public school system, petroleum-based dyes out of our food supply, removing black box warnings from female hormone therapy, getting whole foods back into our hospitals and into our public schools, these big issues that are not designed to fix the healthcare system, but to keep people out of the system. Because the truth is of the 80 or of the $5 trillion that we spend every year on healthcare, which has led us to believe to be the sickest, fattest, most disease-ridden nation in the world, you know, the United States only leads the world in five things: morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, multiple chronic diseases in a single biome, infant mortality, and maternal mortality. So spending does not equate to outcomes.

SPEAKER_04 10:02

It doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Yeah, I get angry too. Yeah, so I'm trying to change it. Um, but it's it's estimated by Health and Human Services that 85% of all chronic disease is preventable because it starts at the kitchen table, not in the doctor's office. It ends in the doctor's office. That's not where it begins. And, you know, I got asked a really interesting question on a stage talk a few months ago. Somebody asked me, they said, Gary, if you were to put the top 50 anti-aging experts in a row, the leading PhDs, MDs, researchers, and you were asked them to agree on one theory of aging, just one, what do you think that would be? And I was like, that's that's a really good question. Um, I said, I think we would all agree on the theory of immuno fatigue, a slow, progressive overwhelming of the immune system. And how does our immune system get overwhelmed? Well, there's stress, there's environmental toxins, you know, there's uh glyphosate in our food supply, there's heavy metals, parasites, viruses, mold, mycotoxins. There are all of these tiny this buildup of tiny microtoxicity and an accumulation of chronic stress. And those two things add up to a disaster. They don't kill you instantly, they break you down slowly when our immune system has lost the capacity to not only defend us from foreign pathogens and invaders, but also to police us, which it does. The immune system spends the vast majority of its time not just protecting us from viruses and bacteria and foreign pathogens, it spends a lot of time policing the internal organization, making sure that cells die on time, which is called autophagy, making sure that cells don't live too long, which is called cellular senescence, um, making sure that circulating tumor cells, which are healthy cells that have shifted their metabolism, are quickly eliminated so they don't um become fertilizers for disease. And so if we could do anything, it would, in my opinion, it would be to live a life that lowers the toxic load. And by lowering the toxic load and managing stress, you go a long way towards not just extending your lifespan, but your health span.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

In your opinion, uh what actually extends life?

SPEAKER_01 12:25

You know, if you look at all the big data studies, for example, if you look at the big meta-analyses and you look at um large data studies, you look at blue zone studies, there's no continuity between diets. There's there's no there's no argument for dogmatic dieting, meaning it's not dogmatic dieting that extends life. It's not carnivore, keto, paleo, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian, raw food. What extends life is the absence of processed food. Um, what extends life is making mobility non-negotiable, meaning exercise non-negotiable. And what extends life is having a strong sense of community and connection, a strong sense of purpose. I mean, we lack a connection. And we knew, for example, when I was in mortality science, we knew that the most devastating thing to a human being that would cut their life expectancy in half at any age was to put them in isolation. Isolation is one of the most damaging things to our neurophysiology, to our mood, our mental state, our emotional state. And everyone is familiar with this because we know somebody or have a habit, a family member, that's passed away of broken heart syndrome. You know, what happens when a couple's been married 40, 50, 60 years? My parents have been married 60 years. By the grace of God, they're still with me. But when one spouse passes, what happens to the other spouse? They they usually pass very quickly. And why is that? It's because it's the first time they've been isolated sometimes in half a century. If you look at some of these horrific crimes and events that are created by a lot of the young, the youth in our country, they are generally the most isolated from society. They don't have community and connection. And if you look at blue zone and meta-analyses studies, there are no blue zones where there isn't a strong sense of community. Faith, community, connection. This is medicine. Food is medicine. Um, and and so is mobility. We just don't associate it with us living a long, healthy, happy life.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

That's so fascinating. And I'm sure you've seen this study. You had me thinking about it, so I wanted to share it with our listeners while we were talking with you. Um, that Cygna has done a series of studies over time on loneliness and isolation. And they actually found that people who indicated that they were lonely or very lonely, the health impact was as though they were smoking an entire pack of cigarettes.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

That's right. That's exactly right. And and and why is that? Because what loneliness does is it has a direct physiologic effect on the nervous system. And our autonomic nervous system, you know, the one that you don't have to think about, that if you got up out of your chair right now and went for a brisk walk, your autonomic nervous system would raise your heart rate and it would start to circulate more blood. It would raise your respiratory rate to bring in more oxygen. You're sitting right now and your autonomic nervous system is regulating your um your pulse and your heart rate and your respiratory rate. It's regulating your um uh immune system, it's regulating your thyroid, your metabolism, your body temperature. It's doing all of these things, literally causing your heart to beat. And you don't have to think about it. But it exists in two states. It has what's called a sympathetic state and a parasympathetic state. And Taryn, I know you are extraordinarily familiar with this, so I'm preaching to the choir. Uh, but for your audience.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

The choir isn't all familiar with it. So you can preach.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

So preach to the rest of the choir.

SPEAKER_05 15:50

You could talk to you could talk to me. I have no idea what you're talking about. Okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

I'm just uh let me talk to Mike for a minute. Um, you know, the the the hat thief. And and you know, when when when it traps it gets trapped in something called a sympathetic state, which is the state of fight or flight, um, what happens is you're not just in a state of fight or flight and not in the parasympathetic state where you're in this rest and digest state, which is what stress does to us, you're in a state where the priority is alertness and defense and the confrontation of fear. And so during those times, evolutionarily and ancestrally, these are these were times where, you know, digestion doesn't matter when you have a tiger in your face. Um, rest doesn't matter when you have a tiger in your face, particularly your hormones being balanced at that moment doesn't matter. You're nothing matters but defending yourself against that threat. But when you when you get into that state because of chronic stress, because of over-toxifying the body, because you eat a diet highly processed foods, because you don't have regular um sleep patterns, because you lack sunlight, you lack community, you lack connection, you lack nutrition. And that nervous system gets trapped in that state, then it has a direct impact on our immune system's ability to defend ourselves. One of the reasons why 85% of all autoimmune disease is found in females is not because autoimmune disease is selective by sex, autoimmune disease is selective by weakness. And women have a tendency to get trapped in something called caregiver syndrome. You know, it's like, it's like their greatest attribute is their greatest villain, right? They have a tendency to put the needs of everybody else before the needs of themselves, their spouse, their kids, their career, their coworkers, what have you. And they slowly put themselves further and further into the backseat. They don't engage a lot in self-care. They might even feel guilty about self-care. And then bang, the immune system is run down so much, they end up with an autoimmune disease at alarmingly higher rates than men. And this has nothing to do with sex, it has everything to do with weakness. And so we're starting to realize the impact that stress management and lifestyle and diet has directly on how we feel today. You know, it's interesting in the mortality space, when we were predicting life expectancy and we used big data, um, one of the greatest factors that impacted somebody's healthy, happy lifetime was what we called modifiable risk factors. These were dietary and lifestyle changes that if people would make, would have added on average seven years, not just to the health span, but to the lifespan, or not just to the lifespan, but to the health span of the people that were applying for these life insurance policies. And, you know, I'm I'm I'm so excited that people like Karen and and you know, folks in our industry are waking up to this and getting the message out that we have so much more control over the status of our own well-being than we think. You know, historically, I would say pre-pandemic um time, you know, so at some point in history, it's gonna be pre-pandemic, post-pandemic. Um, like before or after the death of Jesus, you know, it's it's gonna be that, you know, that that hallmark is gonna be there because the pandemic woke up billions of citizen scientists. And people said, I've had enough. I'm taking my healthcare choices into my own hand. I have uh a questionable distrust of the hierarchy, and I'm gonna go on my own journey. And I really applaud that. You know, it happens to be the fastest growing area of human interest worldwide, wellness, longevity, and anti-aging. And I think that more people are trying to become more empowered to make their own healthcare choices. Um, and I find something else fascinating about this longevity and wellness space and this anti-aging space is that we're we're sort of getting full circle and coming back to the basics whole food diet, community, connection, um, sense of purpose, our relationships, the depth of our relationships in the in the largest um longevity study run by Harvard ever conducted on the surface of Mother Earth, found that the depth of your relationships, the quality of your immediate relationships has a bigger determining factor on your lifespan than any other single variable. And and finally we're starting to recognize that things like those are medicine. Um, you know, we think of medicine as pharmaceuticals and synthetics and chemicals, um, but sunlight is medicine, grounding breath work is medicine, whole foods are medicine, community and connection is medicine. It's just reframing how we think about the control that we have over the trajectory of our life.

SPEAKER_05 20:28

I heard you say citizen scientist, which is a great term. I don't think I've I've heard it before. And um Tara and I had someone else on when we were talking, and we asked them this this question, which is who do you trust in this day and age with information related to your health and wellness? Where do you go?

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Well, you know, that's it's it's a difficult question. It's a great question. You know, I I I think that, you know, on myself on my platform, for example, um, our sole intention and the orientation of my entire team is to first give without the expectation of receipt. So very often when you attach the expectation of a receipt, of the receipt of something in return to a message, then the message is altered by whatever your expectation of receipt is. Is it to an affiliate link? Is it to put somebody into a VIP program? Is it uh to sell a product or service, or is it to really just give information without the expectation of receipt? So always um looking now in full disclosure, I I have a peptide company, I have a supplement company, I have a red light bag company, I sell all of those devices. I recommend supplements very commonly that I have an affiliation with. Um, I have an intentional desire to make the biggest, uh, most profitable companies in America and the most influential companies in America, the ones that are in service to humanity. Um, but I think also if if if you know anything about these sources, like what would happen if you were to follow them for a day? Would they be taking the supplements that they Purport to take. You know, what what do they look like physiologic physiologically? Do they look like they take care of themselves? You know, they say never trust a skinny chef. Um, I don't know if that's a truthful statement or not. You want your chef to be nice and plump because he better like his food. Um, and and so I I know it's difficult, especially in the day of TikTok and and um uh you know, Instagram and what have you. There's a lot of Instagram and you know, TikTok influencers out there that have an angle towards something. Um, credentialing is is important. You know, I'm not a physician, I'm not licensed to practice medicine. I have all the respect in the world for the people who are. Um, but also I find that the people that you can trust, and I've found this over hundreds and hundreds of interviews on my podcast, are people that have solved a big problem in their life. In fact, I believe that the most impactful, purpose-driven, um, uh powerful people in the world are the people that have solved the biggest problem. So I've had some highly, highly credential people on my podcast, PhDs, MDs, researchers, people that are really moving the needle. But I've also had soccer moms that had children with autism and became their own citizen scientist and solved it for their child. And now they're one of the most impactful people in the world. I know people with no credentials that had glioblastomas. And as they stared down certain death, they went on a journey to because they couldn't find the answers that they wanted in the modern healthcare system to fix that. I know people that have cured Lyme disease. I know people that have overcome drug and alcohol addiction. Um, so you know, very often what happens is people turn their pain into their purpose. And those usually are very credible, very authentic, very trustworthy people because they talk in very narrow bands about the problem they had and the solution that worked for them. And I find those to be really trustworthy sources.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

I love how you identify that. And that is such a powerful way, I think, for me and for Mike and for all of us to really think about vetting all of the information that's coming toward us on social media. So thank you for that.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

That was I mean, you you find me a young mother that had a sick child with a debilitating ailment, and they somehow were able to walk that child out of that ailment. Um, not only are they passionate, but they know exactly what their purpose is. And their intimation to share that is because they know the pain and hurt that they went through and they want to alleviate that from other people. And it tends to be a very authentic, very intentional thread. Um and, you know, and they may or may not be the most credentialed, you know, academically the most credentialed people in the world. Um so I think that's another positive shift coming out of, you know, this post-pandemic era where people are searching for for authentic information.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Yeah, and for and feel sort of deputize in a way to find their own answers. Yeah.

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SPEAKER_02 25:49

Sort of building on your last answer, I think one of the things that's really top of mind for so many people call it in this sort of field of well-being and longevity and health optimization, is we're really on the forefront of sort of looking at what can peptides do for us uh in terms of you know anti-aging, wellness, longevity. Not everyone knows even what a peptide is. Um, and so I'd love for you to sort of break that down for us. And Yuri, we also know that you have very much been on the forefront of sort of what is evolving here in the United States relative to how we're thinking about research peptides. And so we'd love to hear from you around how you feel like that area of our well-being and longevity is evolving and how we might think about research peptides going forward as something that can augment and support our health.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Yeah, so I've been very, very active legislatively with Health and Human Services, the, you know, the FDA and other agencies really pushing to get peptides from what's called category two back onto category one, um, from back onto what's called the bulk list, out of the compound for research use only, and back onto the compound for human use um, you know, list. And the reason for that is the following peptides are not new, they're not novel, um, and they're not like something that somebody cooked up in their garage. The vast majority of peptides we make endogenously in our body. So, for example, insulin is a peptide. GHKCU, the copper peptide that you see all online, is a peptide made by the human body. GLP1s, the trillion-dollar industry that we have on GLP1s, terzepatite, semaglitide, retitrutide, are peptides. So peptides are not new, they're not novel. They're something that our body actually manufactures endogenously in most cases. Peptides are also amino acid analogues. They are chains of amino acids. What's important about um a compound being a sequence of amino acids is that it falls into the category of something we call metabolites, um, meaning the body recognizes them. It has enzymes to break them down and can eliminate the waste. Just like we would take a piece of protein into the body, like a piece of chicken, uh, we would metabolize that into amino acids, then those amino acids would go build structures in the body. It would build collagen, elastin, fiber, and muscle, natural killer cells. All of these structures built from amino acids. Well, amino acids, when you assemble them into certain sequences, also become signaling molecules. So, for example, when you assemble amino acids into a certain sequence called a GLP1, it signals that you're satiated. When you assemble amino acids into a certain sequence called insulin, it helps us move glucose into our cells. Um and so assembling these amino acids into certain chains sends certain signals to the body. What we've been able to do is synthesize those amino acids so we can decide what signal do we want to send? So, for example, let's say that you have uh tissue or a wound in your body. You're walking down the street, you stepped off a curve, and you twisted your right ankle. Well, how does your body know to heal the right ankle and leave the left ankle alone? Well, there's a process in the body when you have a ligament or a tendon and it gets injured that begins signaling into the bloodstream that it's injured. It's called a fibroblast. And what happens is a platelet that's cruising by in the bloodstream, minding its own business, hears that signal and it bursts and it drops off growth factors and the ligament starts to heal. So this is a naturally occurring process in the human body. There are peptides like BPC157, for example, that will find that location of injury and amplify that signal. And why is that important? Because if I amplify the signal, I recruit more platelets. If I recruit more platelets, I heal faster. So I can actually borrow time for my future and heal at a much more accelerated rate. Things like BPC 157 are gastric pentadeca peptides. They're actually synthesized from gastric juice. Love your cat. I just have the tail come right up in the screen. I love it.

SPEAKER_05 30:22

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SPEAKER_02 30:30

This is uh this is biohacker bluebell.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Oh, there she's all right. She's beautiful. So so I'm an enormous fan of peptides because it's usually signaling the body to do something that it already does. And so what we've done is we've isolated these amino acid sequences and we use them to effectuate different outcomes we want in the body. So if we want to raise our growth hormone production, there are growth hormone peptides, not growth hormone, that signal to the pituitary to produce more growth hormone. If we want to heal and seal or accelerate tissue and wound repair, there are peptides like BPC157 and TB500 that will accelerate tissue and wound repair. If we um want to have deeper, more prolonged sleep, better REM and deep phases of sleep, you can use deep sleep-inducing peptides. And so peptides are multifaceted, they're signaling molecules, they're amino acid chains. The body recognizes them, very often makes them on its own, and we can break them down and we can eliminate the waste. Now, if we talk about where peptides are going, um, I think they're going in a very positive direction. When they come back onto category one and they're compounded by licensed compound pharmacies, you're going to find that they move back into the standard of care. Um, they fall under what's called the scope of practice for physicians. You'll find that primary care physicians are more less reluctant to prescribe peptides that were research use only, that are now compounded for human use. And you'll also see an erosion of what I would call the black market of peptides, which is right now a lot of these are imported from China, Pakistan, Mexico, India. And there's not a lot of regulation, if any, around those peptides. And there have been a lot of articles recently about, you know, peptides being sent to third-party labs for testing and finding heavy metals, endotoxins, rice flour, um, and very, very, very little of the peptide. What's good about the FDA's current position and Health and Human Services' current position about regulating these is that you will be able to get these, and you can now, through licensed compound pharmacies. So you have a patient with a clinician in between them and the compound pharmacy. And then you have a compound pharmacy between the physician and the peptide, guaranteeing things like stability, sterility, and potency. So at least you know what you're getting. Somebody tells you how to mix it, somebody tells you how to dose it. How long do you take it? Are you five days on and two days off? Do you take it for six months and stop? Do you take it indefinitely? And that's the chain of custody that we need for peptides to thrive and have the real impact that they can have. We need the regulatory environment to come in and secure this chain of custody for patients that are interested in peptides. If you went to my website, for example, and looked at the peptides that I have on there, you can't just buy it off the website. You'd have to open a telehealth consult, talk to a licensed practitioner, and then it would drop into your cart. And that sets up a chain of custody that's I think really good for the scaling of peptides and for consumer access. So I'm really bullish on peptides.

SPEAKER_05 33:41

Karen and I are both big fans of peptides as well as you know, you and I, all three of us had this conversation a couple weeks ago. Um and you're talking about BPC 157. I have a uh good friend. Um, I actually have had some positive uh experiences with BPC 157. I tore my rotator cuff. Uh, I haven't had an MRI since, but I'll just, you know, I'm pretty much back to where I was before as far as the ability to you know lift heavy, so to speak. And I have a really good friend who's in a lot of pain and he's tried a lot of different things, and he's reluctant for whatever reason to try BPC 157, despite the fact that he knows me and trusts me and things like that. And his comments to me were well, Mike, from what I understand, again, BPC 157 in particular, there is no human clinical evidence about BPC 157 as it relates to safety and efficacy. And I just curious, like, what are your thoughts, not only just on BPC 157, but others that are in that similar area and how should people go about looking at that?

SPEAKER_01 34:42

Yeah, so so I have three answers to that. First of all, it's patently false that there's no peer-reviewed, published, randomized clinical trials in human beings on peptides. Some of it was not done in the United States, but it was absolutely gold standard science. Many of these peptides are considered pharmaceuticals in other countries, and they've gone through pharmaceutical grade research studies outside of the United States. We're not the only ones that do good clinical research. The second thing that I would say is there's no incentive to do this because these are compounds that you cannot patent. They're endogenous to the human body. Um, you when you're when you're linking amino acid chains together, if you go and do a $10 million randomized placebo-controlled clinical trial and you prove the effectiveness, you just proved it for all your competition in the market. And there is so there's no driver for somebody to perform the exercise and go through the 10 years of brain damage to guarantee under our current system that they work, because essentially you're just handing the win to anybody that wants the win. Whereas you will see pharmaceutical companies will go through the brain damage of conducting randomized placebo-controlled clinical trials that have them peer-reviewed, they'll be published in major journals, because at the end of that, they have a 17-year patent cycle on a on a drug, a chemical, a synthetic, or pharmaceutical, um, that's now worth billions, potentially even trillions of dollars, like mRNA vaccines, like statins, like um uh like GLP1s. And and and the final thing that I would say is um we also have data. We have voluminous amounts of data. And you cannot ignore big data. For example, there is zero evidence that parachutes work. We have never done a placebo-controlled, randomized, um, um, independent, peer-reviewed clinical study on parachutes. Would anybody jump out of a plane without one? And the reason why they wouldn't is because we have data, right? By the way, who wants to be in that placebo group when we go and prove that parachutes work? So as we sit today, there is no evidence that parachutes work. No one can make the claim that parachutes are safe, that they are effective, um, or that they have any use in jumping out of an airplane because it's never been studied and it's never been proven. But we have data. And sometimes we can accept the data in large populations, even of anecdotal data, tens of millions of prescriptions written for these peptides, with very few, if any, adverse events. What you find are adverse events coming from knockoff peptides and from these secondary and black markets. But if you're getting that compound from a licensed compound pharmacy through a clinician that is licensed to prescribe that compound, even if it's not required by prescription, you're ensuring a chain of custody that puts you in the data set where we have lots of data. So I would actually argue the exact opposite from peptides.

SPEAKER_05 37:34

I love that analogy. Like the absurdity of it makes it just just also just hammers home the point. I loved it. I love that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Yeah. Um, and and you know, this is, you know, there's a lot of, you know, when you bring common sense and big data together, which artificial intelligence is about to do, by the way, you're gonna see artificial intelligence up in modern medicine in a way that's going to be catastrophic for a lot of the mainstream system, right? Because you can't hide from the big data, right? The big data is gonna say X millions of people were placebo-controlled for a certain medication. Uh and based on the outcomes where we tried to handle this narrow sliver of an impact of cardiovascular disease, we actually increased all-cause mortality. Um, you know, we put you on a corticosteroid for inflammation, but that actually forced a joint replacement. Um, you know, we created a chemical dependency, we created a tachyphylactic response, we created a desensitization response, and we actually bought ourselves a bigger problem further down the road, even though it was proven effective for that single uh, you know, um narrow outcome. And you're gonna see artificial intelligence, which can take 700 trillion independent variables and create an actionable result, bubble those things right to the surface.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

I do too.

SPEAKER_02 38:53

Your explanations are so great. They're so dynamic, they're so insightful, they're exciting. You you liken it to other things. You know, if you're not familiar with a peptide, you are familiar with a parachute, right? And it's like, oh, that that that makes sense. It's it's so much fun to talk to you.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

Yeah, the thing is the interesting thing is most people are familiar with peptides. They just don't know it. I mean, I don't think there's anyone in adulthood that's never heard of insulin, right? Um, they just don't know that it's a peptide. Yeah, um, most people know what GLP1s are, but they think they're pharmaceutical compounds. No, GLP1s we release in our own gut. We release them in response to satiety, to nutrient density. The reason why you can eat four boxes of Oreos, but you can't eat your way through four avocados is because four avocados is too nutrient dense. Your GLP1 will be through the roof, but you're you have no GLP1 response to eating a box of Oreos or four boxes of Oreos because they are chemically engineered to circumvent the GLP1 response. And so when we get in sync with nature, right? How do I raise GLP1 without injecting it? Eat nutrient-dense foods. Um, how do I lower insulin with without using insulin? How do I lower blood sugar without using insulin? You know, I exercise, I eat less high glycemic, um, highly processed foods. So we we can influence these uh peptides in our body. And I think when you start to reframe, well, wow, insulin is a peptide, GLP1 is a peptide, maybe I shouldn't be so afraid of these. I didn't know that my body makes GHKCU. Um, so if we make it endogenously, it can't be that bad if the body makes it on its own. Um, as we age, what happens is a lot of these endogenous production of peptides decreases. And so if you can augment, decrease production so that you um uh with a peptide, then you're actually using a physiologic solution that your body recognizes um to move yourself towards a state of optimal health rather than putting something synthetic or something chemical or something pharmacological into the body.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

You know, I love that we were just talking about Oreos because that is that's the segue to what I want to talk about next. So you said something earlier that I want to just highlight as we kind of move into this section of our time together. So you talked about well-being and longevity starting at the kitchen table, not in the doctor's office. And so we'd like to play, I don't know, we can we call it a little game called How Bad Is This For You? Okay, so I have some things in a bag down here that you have not seen yet. Okay, they may or may not have come from our kitchen cabinet depending on how bad it is.

SPEAKER_05 41:48

You can either compete and take responsibility responsibility for it.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

So I'm gonna hold it up and then I'd love for you to tell us like, is this bad for us? How bad is it? And if it is bad, maybe give us like a substitution that we can think about to do something better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:07

For those listening, you're gonna have to say what it is, though. If you're not if you're some of you watching right now, yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

Okay. Let's start with.

SPEAKER_05 42:15

I don't know what it is either. I'm I'm I'm nervous.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

Yeah, your fingerprints might be on it, Mike.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Let's start with this. This is this is in a lot of people's households. All right. We've got a little packet of cheese here.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Okay. So um, so so we know whose it is now. So cheese-its, if you if you read the first few lines of the ingredients on there, it's going to say fortified or enriched. Um, it's going to say fortified whole wheat or enriched bleached white flour. So the word fortified or enriched means it is sprayed with a chemical called folic acid. Now, we've been led to believe that folic acid is a natural vitamin, vitamin B9. It's not. We make it in a laboratory. You cannot find folic acid anywhere on the surface of the earth. It does not exist naturally in nature. Folic acid and folate, which you find in green leafy vegetables, are very, very different. So when you have fortified or enriched foods, like Cheese Its, um, and you are one of the 46% of the population that has a gene mutation called MTHFR, which 46% of your listeners have, um, you can't process the folic acid in that snack. And so what happens when you can't process that snack? Um, what happens is the folic acid level rises, and your need for something called methylfolate, which is what it would become, um, drops. Your need for uh methfolate also rises. So folic acid skyrockets, and you actually need the broken down byproduct. So I would prefer if you're going to eat crackers or potato chips, that you get the non fortified, non enriched versions. So if you like Doritos and Cheez Its, try Try something called Massa chips. Massa chips are non-GMO corn fried uh in grass-fed beef tallow and they add sea salt. Non-GMO corn, tallow, sea salt, that's it. Um, versus monosodium glutamate, which is MSG, um, versus uh fortified or enriched ingredients, which are highly, highly processed ingredients. That is a gut disruptor and it is also a mood disruptor. Children that have this um gene mutation, when you feed them folic acid, it becomes a full contact sport to get them in the car to go to school in the morning because folic acid is contained in white flour, rice, bread, pasta, cereals, and grains of any kind, unless you buy the organic version. So kids wake up in the morning, they have this gene mutation. And what do we feed them? Pop-tarts, bagels, um breads, cereals, grains, cheez-its. And as soon as that goes into their body, their behavior takes a nosedive. And we wonder why it's a full contact sport to get them in the car to go to school in the morning. Then when they get to school, they don't pay attention, they don't follow directions, they don't complete assignments, they're disruptive. And now we need to bring in the Adderall to control the behavior. When the truth is, it could be the food that's leading to that condition, and that's one of those that stimulates that response.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

That's great. I I love that connection too, between what's happening physiologically and then how that's manifested in terms of behavior ability to pay attention.

unknown 45:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

All right, here's our next one.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 45:32

Also still nervous.

SPEAKER_02 45:34

All right, here's here's something.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Mike's 0-1 right now.

SPEAKER_05 45:37

I want to be clear, those are not mine, but I have had multiple bags of those. But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

All right, here's something. This is called monk fruit in the raw. It's advertised as being plant-based, zero calories and keto certified.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

What you want to make sure of monk fruit, I'm a huge fan of. It's actually a sugar derivative, but um monk fruit, I'm a big fan of. You want to make sure that's not monk fruit with erythritol. So actually look at the back label. I bet that one has erythritol.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

You are correct, sir.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

That's correct. See? Um, so if you just get raw monk fruit, excellent. Um, it's great for you. Um, you know, I'm a huge, huge fan of monk fruit, katemfe, algulose, those, if you want to call them artificial sweeteners, they're not actually artificial sweeteners, they are intensely sweet, plant-based sweeteners. So uh katemfe, for example, is 2,000 times sweeter than sugar. So you only need a very small amount of it to create the same sweet taste. It comes from a uh katemfe fruit in in um Africa. So monk fruit, I'm a big fan of, just monk fruit without erythritol. So basically, you take something good, you mix it with something bad, and you you advertise something good. Notice they don't put foot forward on the label that says monk fruit with erythritol. Um, and uh, you know, erythritol is in uh was correlated to an increased risk of uh cardiovascular events. Um and the jury's still really out on erythritol, but I think the jury's in on monk fruit. So raw monk fruit, excellent way to go for an artificial sweetener.

SPEAKER_05 47:16

Can I can I ask a follow-up to this one? I know, I know we don't have a lot more time, but what about stevia? Because I'm a huge fan of stevia, it's natural. I literally I actually bring it with me. I'm pretty sure actually when I was at your you know your your house, I I had it had it with me just in case. We were gonna have to.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Yeah, raw stevia, I'm also a fan of. Um, but you stevia they'll infiltrate with other artificial sweeteners too. So if it's raw stevia, great. Raw monk fruit, excellent, allulose, excellent. Um, catempe fruit, excellent. Contemfe sweetener, as excellent.

unknown 47:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

All of this.

SPEAKER_02 47:47

All right, let's do let's do maybe one more.

SPEAKER_04 47:50

Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

I already know. Actually, Mike told me when I when we were talking about doing this, he was like, Gary hates this.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

Gary hastes this. Did I say that? I don't recall, but you did. Okay. You did.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

Without further ado.

SPEAKER_05 48:08

Oh, I know it's coming.

SPEAKER_02 48:11

Celsius.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Oh, so Celsius. So Celsius is not all that bad. What's bad is what's bad is the ingredient cyanocobalamin. So cyanocobalamin is a cyanide-based version of B12. So if you actually, so cobalamin, it's B12, vitamin B12. Um, vitamin B12 is a metal. It is the cobalt metal. When you put the cobalt metal into the body, it's called cobalamin. And it's a necessary light metal in the human body, just like zinc and magnesium. There are four forms of B12: adenosyl cobalamin, hydroxycobalamin, methylcobalamin, and then one we make synthetically called cyanocobalamin. Cyanocobalamin is useless in the body until your body converts it to methylcobalamin. So you can actually get B12 in the methylated form. And what this does is it it doesn't uh require the body to break it down. The question is, what is the word cyano in the word cyanocobalamin come from? Cyano is short for hydrogen cyanide. So you know what else we use hydrogen cyanide in? Chemical weapons. Um, we we we use it. And in fact, um, if you were to go to the National Library of Medicine at the National Institute of Health, cyanocobalamin, um. And yeah, and I was gonna share my screen with you. Um if you went to the National Institute of Health at the National Library of Medicine and you looked up um what cyanocobalamin is, you could actually, I wonder if I could um I wonder if I could share my screen. We'll talk through this out loud. Is that possible?

SPEAKER_05 50:01

You would have to give him permission.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

I'm working on that right now.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

I'm sending you a request. Um you know your your user can do it at home.

SPEAKER_02 50:15

I just accepted that request.

SPEAKER_05 50:17

Okay, all right, okay.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Yeah. So um so I'm gonna share my screen here. Um let's share it.

SPEAKER_05 50:32

And we're gonna look at I'm gonna take a sip of coffee. I hope I think it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

Yeah, I love coffee. Okay, can you see my screen?

SPEAKER_02 50:42

Yes, we can.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

I'm at the National Library of Medicine at the National Institute of Health. I'm on what's called their PubChem website. You can look up any ingredient on here. And I'm looking at the compound cyanocobalamin, and I'm asking myself, what is this made for or made from? What are its component compounds? Well, the cobalt metal, that's good. That's actually the light metal that we need in the body, and then it has this thing called cyano. What is that? Oh, that is that is hydrogen cyanide. What is hydrogen cyanide used for? Oh, it's a flammable, acute, toxic environmental hazard. Um, what else do we you um use hydrogen cyanide in? Um, well, hydrogen cyanide uh is used in a number of industries. It's used for its cyanide is extremely toxic. Our exhaust. Yeah, our exhaust. Hydrogen cyanide um is a highly toxic conjugate acid of cyanide that is used as a chemical weapon agent. So that's not me making that up. That is the National Institute of Health at the National Library of Medicine. So when you look at component compounds like this, you say, do I really want to put hydrogen cyanide in my body that we use as a chemical weapon agent that we find in car exhaust? Um, do I want to intentionally put that in there? In fact, when they are transporting this um compound, they have to have a hazmat transportation license. They have to use hazmat hazardous materials um uh protectiveware to handle it. Um, and it is a flammable acute toxic environmental hazard.

SPEAKER_05 52:20

So that's why my preference is not so you could see why that I said that you I mean, I guess it was a strong statement, but I did say that. I did say that you definitely are not a fan of Celsius. You know what, though, you know what it was, and I'll be I just uh behind the the the the wall here is that I think I definitely saw a video of you on stage. Someone was, you know, someone used it and you know probably actually isolated it, yeah uh and didn't, you know, you didn't have the full explanation in Celsius' defense, I will say in Celsius' defense, they get theirs from bacterial fermentation, um, which is a much safer way to create this conjugate hydrogen, I mean this uh cyanocobalment.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

There are the vast majority of these are not conjugated that way. I've actually talked to their team about this, um, and I was impressed with the way that they um conjugated it. In in my opinion, I'm I'm not a fan of cyanocobalment. It's not that I'm not a fan of Celsius. You can safely drink Celsius. There's not enough hydrogen cyanide in in there to cause a physiologic reaction, but people will say things like um, the dosage determines the poison. And, you know, very often I don't believe that the dosage determines the poison. I believe that the cumulative dosage determines the poison, right? I mean, nobody got uh mercury poisoning from a single piece of tuna fish. What they got was mercury poisoning from the accumulation of micro amounts of mercury over a prolonged period of time, right? So um no, no, nobody finally um had a massive cardiac event from you know a single dietary item. What happened was they ate had these dietary items over prolonged periods of time, and eventually the accumulation, you know, was something that that that caused them a uh a problem. And so I don't like to attack brands. Celsius has done a good job of conjugating this from uh from bacterial fermentation, but I'm not a fan of cyanicopelin.

SPEAKER_05 54:14

I can understand why.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

All right, I think this is gonna be our final question.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_02 54:22

You asked me this question when we did our interview a couple weeks ago for the ultimate human cardiac. And I thought it was such a great question, and I wanted to know your answer. So, Gary, what does it mean to be an ultimate human?

SPEAKER_01 54:41

You know, to me, to be an ultimate human, it means that you are blessed enough to have aligned God's purpose with your passion. Um because if you want to talk about the most impactful people in the world, um these are people that have aligned God's purpose with their passion. Every one of us was given a God given talent. Maybe it's your communication style, um, maybe it's that you're very nurturing, um, maybe it's that you're great at math. Um and when you exploit that talent in in a way that serves your purpose, God's purpose for you, which I think is to be in service to other people. I think that we all want to live a life of significance, but when you live a life of of service, um, it doesn't mean you're not significant. Um, we often tie success to socioeconomic status, but you can tie it to also being in service. Um, you know, my father told me years ago, and I only recently understood what he meant. My my dad, Captain John Brecket, he said, if you if you really want to shrink your problems, grow your purpose. And for like 20 years I didn't understand what he meant. Um, but it's probably the most impactful thing that anyone's told me. So I think being an ultimate human is aligning God's purpose for you with your passion.

SPEAKER_02 56:03

That's absolutely beautiful. A mic drop right there. Incredible.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

I always worried what I would say when someone asked me that question. Then you asked me it. That's how wait, no one's ever asked you before. No one's ever asked me that question. No. I've asked hundreds of other people that question. Yes, amazing answers. You know, that's why I said there's no right or wrong answer.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

Yeah. And I walked away thinking, like, I wonder how Gary would answer this question.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

Oh, now you know.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

Happy to know. Well, this has been absolutely amazing. I feel so uplifted and inspired. I also feel like I learned so much from you during this conversation. I feel equipped to live an even healthier lifestyle that ultimately leads to greater well-being and longevity. I mean, this has just been incredible.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

Thank you so much. I mean, that means a lot to me. And I'm inspired by your journey too. I really enjoyed our podcast. Excited about your book. And, you know, I think that, you know, there are more people that need us than there are people to serve them. And uh, you know, you are certainly one of those authentic, intentional characters that I think is going to go on a meteoric rise here because your purpose is definitely aligned with your passion. So I I wish you all the success too. Love it.

SPEAKER_04 57:22

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 57:22

Thank you so much. And truthfully, how many of those three were Mike's and how many were yours too? Is he okay for three?

unknown 57:32

I love it.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

You know, I do most of the grocery shopping. Yeah, I I I think I'm probably responsible, you know, at least partially responsible for all of it.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

Yeah. Um, it was so lovely to have you on the show today. Um, what were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_01 57:54

I said it's a blessing to be on here. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 57:56

We're honored to have you. For those of you that are tuning in, I know you're just gonna like run right over to the ultimate human on Instagram, on Facebook. Check out all of Gary Brecca's incredible clips on YouTube. And he speaking of living your purpose and your passion, you seem to be constantly doing um workshops uh and webinars that are of service to people. I know you've got one coming up on sleep.

SPEAKER_01 58:25

Uh and so 29th and 30th of this month. I have a full I have a sleep challenge. So I promise you a 33% improvement in your current sleep score.

SPEAKER_02 58:36

It's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

It's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_02 58:39

So thank you so much for all the goodness that you're putting out into the world, all of the ways that you are helping so many people. And it's a delight and an honor to be here with you today.

SPEAKER_01 58:48

Thank you so much, guys. We'll talk again very soon.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

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SPEAKER_05 59:26

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