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The Better Body Lab Podcast
What Your Voice Reveals About Your Health
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What if your voice was doing far more than communicating your thoughts? What if it was broadcasting real-time information about your stress, recovery, nervous system, and overall health? In this episode of The Better Body Lab Podcast, we sit down with wellness innovator and ToneWell founder Alex Fredericks to explore the emerging intersection of voice frequency analysis, personalized wellness and human performance. Together, we examine how the body may transmit measurable signals through vocal frequencies, and what that could mean for the future of preventative health and performance optimization. This conversation goes beyond technology alone, highlighting why foundational habits like sleep, nutrition, movement, and stress regulation remain essential for sustainable health optimization and resilience.
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Alex Fredericks is a Growth Engineer, founder, and strategic operator working at the intersection of consumer wellness, AI, and brand growth. Over the course of his career, he has helped build and scale companies across wellness, technology, luxury, entertainment, and emerging categories by translating big ideas into clear market strategy, partnerships, and execution. He is the Founder and CEO of ToneWell, a consumer wellness platform designed to turn a 30-second voice note into a clear Performance Readiness Scan and Wellness Report with practical next steps.
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Key Timestamps:
00:00 — Modern Life & Nervous System Stress
09:38 — The Science of Voice Frequency Analysis
16:51 — Understanding the ToneWell Wellness Report
20:08 — What Voice Analysis Can Reveal
32:45 — ToneWell vs Wearable Technology
38:27 — Technology Frequencies & Anxiety
53:39 — Chronic Stress & Health Decline
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When we think about modern life, how we're living our lives today, what is modern life doing to our nervous system that many people are underestimating?
SPEAKER_02See this right here? Holding up your cell phone? Yeah. That is a A. That's what it resonates in. That's why the screen that they did not need to make the color that it is is the color that it is. Because it's resonating at an A sharp. That's why you have to check it a thousand times. That's why you have anxiety of missing things. It's just reality. Because that's frequency. I am an opera singer. There is a crystal in front of me. It's not the volume that breaks the glass, it's the pitch of the note. Every crystal is a little bit different, but this but tell me what it is, I can get the note close enough, and then I work on my pitch. That is what people discount. My phone has never been in my bedroom. Ever. It never will be. I like to sleep, thank you. And I don't need the psychological what am I missing out. First thing I'm gonna do is grab it. We live in an anxiety pattern that we've created for ourselves, and we've heightened it by things that are around us that have genuinely no meaning.
SPEAKER_00Hey everyone, welcome back. We have an incredible guest with us today, Alex Fredericks, and he is a growth engineer. So he works with healthcare companies that have an amazing product, but maybe not quite the pull or the reach to have the visibility and to get discovered. He solves for that, and he's also the founder of Tonewell. And Alex, we're so excited to talk with you in particular about all of your work kind of in the space of healthcare, but specifically also Tonewell, because as our listeners are going to hear today, you have fearheaded a new technology that just through analyzing a 30-second voice clip, you can actually make some pretty incredible uh revelations uh data about people's health. So, welcome to the show today.
SPEAKER_02Thank you so much for having me on, everything.
SPEAKER_00We're delighted to have you. So we talked, you know, before we started recording about your background in the music industry. Uh, we don't know the art of what brought you into healthcare and you know, into founding Tonewell at the end of 2024. But walk us through sort of what has that journey been uh for you in healthcare and and what has brought you to tone well today.
SPEAKER_02Sure, I appreciate the question. So it's probably easier to start from the beginning. Um when I was a child, I was and still am actually, I was super dyslexic. And um I had to repeat third grade, and not wanting to do that again, I started paying attention because the easiest way through school is just listening to what the teacher says. And I used music as the tool to help me keep current with my peers. Taught me how to speak, how to how to format sentence, how to tell stories, and you know, just enrich my vocabulary and communication skills. Um, it led me into the music business when I was in college. I found a band. I was very lucky, and I still have the skill that if I can see it, I know what to do with it. So if I close my eyes and I can see something, I just engineer backwards and solve the equation of how. And that led me into a pretty good career. I just realized I wasn't going to be the president of Sony or Columbia Records, something cool like that. So I was like, well, I'm out. And I went into consumer package goods and consumer goods, mostly starting with somebody else's DNA. You're a such and such, and you should have a skincare, a fragrance, a cosmetics, a supplement line, a vitamin, a restaurant with your name on it, what have you. I was the type of person that brought that into existence. And after a while, you just kind of get tired with shiny objects. So I moved into things that were more efficacious. So I started when everything was green and green became organic, and organic became wellness, and now there's longevity. Let's recognize those are sales categories. That's just how you sell something to somebody. This is more green for the environment. This is organic, better for you. This is wellness packaged in a XYZ, and now longevity is just long-form data, right? So for me, starting in the music business and engineering and producing records in the late 80s, early 90s, when I was at a missed mixed dex, so our console, how I was putting everything together, in the center was an oscilloscope, and that is a circle with a cross through the middle, and then there would be an infinity sign going through it. And when the infinity sign was all fuzzy, like this, you would say something is out of phase. So you would start at the bottom of your frequency stack and turn dials until you got to the top of the frequency stack. When something wasn't fighting with something else, you'd have to figure out what it was, and then your infinity summer was nice and smooth and you would move on because you knew that subjectively, not objectively to what it the music was, but subjectively to what it sounded like, it could work in any speaker, small, medium, large. And I say that because well, 30 some odd years later, I'm working with a client that's in the PEMF space. So they use uh uh waveform and frequency to help people uh recover from things like Lyme's disease and autoimmune to tormeniscus or strained back neck or what have you, or it's a new moon and I'm off-cycle, whatever the case may be. And inside of that, what they specialized in, companies called AmpCoil, amazing company, is how they changed the shape of the waveform and bundled frequency into it for the specific, we'll call it opportunity set that they were solving for. And I, with a background in music, so I understand electrical path and frequency and waveform, and somebody that had already been doing wellness technology for packages, you know, how does the consumer get involved with this? I said, Well, this is great. I kind of had like that chocolate and peanut butter moment where two things slam together to make something better. And I said, Well, this is cool. You're coming up the street, so to speak. You're delivering me something. Can I go the other way back down the street where you can analyze something? Ergo, my voice. And they said, sure we could. We're just not doing that. But there is 30 years of science. There are a million white papers about it. The NIH, Harvard, John Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic. How do you think that things like CT scans and MRI scans they actually work because they're bombarding you with frequency and then reading the return with magnets? And how is this all coming together? It's possible we're just not doing this. To which I said, cool. We are now going to do this, and I'll go start the company for it. And that's how Tonewell was kind of launched. So my journey has always been one, paying attention to what the universe offers for you. That's how you find a band. Two, understanding how signal and pathway is. It's both literal and figurative, meaning, like, I have a great product, but the world doesn't know about it. You have to go create conductivity, right? And in that is a frequency word, conductive. And how does the audience respond and take it home and brag about it? Is the same right now. How do we use a 30-second voice clip and use an analytic to overlay on top of it to derive what's happening with you in this time and space?
SPEAKER_01Wow. That's it. That's that's all I have to say. Is that I I have so many questions. Uh sometimes uh Taryn tries to get me to focus on things, but but I I think about the one of the first times that I heard radio frequency or frequencies as it relates to um uh like our thoughts, right? Napoleon, Napoleon Hill and and um Make or Grow Rich. Well, actually, it was before that in the Law of Success. Uh Law of Success, sure. Yeah, he talked about it. And I remember thinking about, you know, thinking about every time you have a thought, it goes somewhere. There there is a frequency, right? Um, and and when I saw what you're doing at Tonewell, I was super interested as well because that was one of the first times when I was like, well, okay, so I know that we we are we are all essentially made up of of all these frequencies, and I think it's really, really brilliant. Um, you know, what you're doing. So here's my kind of first question about about this: the science. You rattled off NIH, Harvard, uh, Mayo Clinic, things like that. Um, and what Taryn and I both kind of took your test, and I'm we'll talk about that. But let's talk about maybe the science. If you could maybe package it for us, where is the science today on Tonewell as it relates to looking at our our own wavelengths and being able to you know put forth the data that and and is as it relates to the accuracy of really what's going on within our body? Sure.
SPEAKER_02So first let me speak about it collectively as like the you know, general. So there are go under your PubMed or your local, local, your favorite uh research portal for science, and you can see a ton of studies that have been done in cardiology, ADHD, uh other mo other opportunities with inside of using frequency, which is why I quote things like Mayo or Harvard, because I'm Alex Fredericks. I was a philosophy major in college. I have no PhD and I'm definitely not a doctor. I work with science teams. My partner happens to be a doctor, but the reality of it is the way that our science was built was using, we'll call it peer-to-peer and analytics that are well published and well established. The team that I work with created a computer learning module a decade plus ago to figure out the frequency delivery, as I had said, with inside of PEMF. We are not computer learning because computer learning has a variable to it, it changes every input. We are not that. We are actually FFT based. So we are the way that you analyze data set. So what we work off of is about a hundred thousand points of data static database. It means it's locked. So every time we look at it, we're looking at the same equation every time. What is what varies is the input of the voice, not the output of the analytic. That's very important. So, like when somebody talks about AI and then they talk about how it hallucinates, is because you've given it free reign to come up with an answer, as opposed to these are the only things which are called rails that you're allowed to look at. So what we have done, and using FFT, which is the speed by which it goes in and fast transitions the audio clip into the into the data set, it's you it's going against a locked data set. That data set has been derived from everything like the Wilhelm Reich-Hertz scale, all the way over here, through uh the American Medical Association did in 2015 an ADHD study on children, let alone Mayo Clinic has done 15 or so cardiac using voice, because every time I say to you, we're about to draw a lot of blood, your cortisol is going to spike, and I don't really get the truest version of what's happening. But since your heart is just an electrical pump, I can actually, like I can tell you that the hertz of the earth is 7.82, just is, right? I can tell you that your heart should be in this range, gender, age, and all the other factors, but you're inside of a range, like your radio station dial is here, right? And that's how that kind of works. So our science is based upon computer learning that has now been locked into static database, all of the findings and publishings that exist in the greater industry. And what our overlay is is twofold. One, the equation that we use to kick out what would be a JSON script, it's the answer that I get from the cloud. And then the templates that we've built. And that and the templates that we've built are the opportunity set. So right now I sent you guys a general wellness report, right? But if you were specifically, which is why I said please ask me any other questions, because if you're a woman specifically wanting to know about hormones, here's your answer. If you are an athlete specifically wanting to know about recovery, here's your answer. It's based off the same data set, though. I just we just limit, right? Like you don't need to know about this because you asked about that. But the data set comes out of a locked, out of a locked database, and then we use again an FFT-based analytic to give us what the answer is. Is that cohesive?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean it was it was a great answer. Uh for me, and just trying to like distill it down to something just like I tell people all the time, talk to me like I'm in uh actually I said to AI yesterday, so talk to me like I'm in fifth grade. I used to say second, so I feel like I'm a little bit smarter now. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Well um the fifth grade answer to that is actually even simpler. Um it actually is. Yeah. Yeah. Um it's it's either you've ever said to somebody that didn't resonate with me. I don't have the bandwidth for that. You better watch your tone when you talk to me. Those are frequency words. It's how the universe works. So if you've ever put on a piece of music and the hair stands up on your, it's not an accident. That is resonant frequency, literally moving your cells to a way that vibrates for the hair to stand up. It's not an accident. Now it's all individual because you have to have an emotional connection, so to speak, so that you're open to it to happen, right? Why it happened for you, not somebody else. Or I could simply say to you, in the beginning, there was the word. It's how the Bible begins. It means that everything was spoken into creation. So the power of your voice, it resonates your nervous system and your physiology at all times. It just is. So to your point about uh Napoleon Hill and the worst expression of the last decade and a half, which is fake it till you make it, it should be if you can see it, you can be it. Because if you see it in your mind, then you can become that thing. You speak that way, you seek out the information, you learn, you pivot. Meanwhile, if you fake it to make it, by the time you make it, you're a fraud.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Oh, I I you know we could talk forever about that. I I agree with that, as does Dr. Taryn as well. And and she talks a lot about that stuff on stage. So, man, uh, I loved it. I loved your answer. So thank you for that. I know I can see Taryn writing down some questions, so I'm gonna just I'm gonna sit back because I'll keep you here all day.
SPEAKER_00That's great. Well, let's talk a little bit about what you can distill from that 30-second voice clip. So um we can talk about my report if you if you want to. We can talk about that on air. Yeah, so I got the general wellness reports. I mean, we could talk about what is in that report, um, and then other things that you are able to look at through um voice frequency.
SPEAKER_02So, our wellness report, I should say, is based on this. And I was saying this pre-interview, and it's an important notion for us. I believe the world is drowning in data. And I believe that most people still come up short with two simple but very important questions, which is why don't I feel well and why am I not functioning well? And you can track as much as you would like, you can have as much information, as much data as you would like. And if it's not translated to you in a way that is meaningful for you, then you're not gonna be able to act on that. And since our goal is really to help people build better relationships with themselves, the way that we have formed our reports are we want to give you a top five of things. These are the top five things that we see in a report. Now, mind you, I will go in a minute, I will blow that away by the thousands of things we can look at, but these are the top five things we want to prioritize for you. And then they're color-coded: red, yellow, green. We all understand traffic lights. So green is good. I like to point out the things we think it's important that we tell you something good that's happening with you so that you have a sense of like, oh my God, not doom and gloom, but cool, this is working. And then there's yellow. Yellow are the things that you should have on your radar. You should be aware of them. They should be things that you're beginning to question and understand. But then there's red. Red is full stop. This is what you are dealing with today. And in our plan, we lay out the things that are addressable today, and then what I call over-the-counter solutions. So maybe it's a supplement or a vitamin, maybe it's scrape your tongue, maybe it's go for a walk, maybe it's eat more bitter herbs, something that you can actually affect in your life. And in that notion, we can help you build a better relationship with yourself because the little choices you make become the habits of tomorrow. So if you don't feel well, which is not something that I can argue with, I can't argue your feelings, but I can say, oh, maybe you don't feel well because I see your sleep or your digestion or your inflammation or your pathogens or your toxins are showing us this. And sleep could be a lot of factors, but it could be something like your magnesium glycinate is off. And that you can go get anywhere. And yes, you could go buy the bespoke version of magnesium glyconate, but you could also start with the one at Stop and Shop. It's not right, it's it's getting into that mode of things you can do something about, right? If a lot of digestion issues in this country aren't huge. Now, they might be H. pylari, I happen to have Candida, but it also could be something like the enzymes in your mouth are off, and if you scrape your tongue once or twice a week, your body's gonna have to reproduce new enzymes, and then the gut and you know, your gut might be better off because it is the beginning of your digestion check. Everything does go in that way, right? So these types of things that we can help people work on are what our report is based on. And we give you a one, three, and ten-day forecast. This is what you should be doing, morning, noon, and night. Simple, straightforward suggestions. We are not in the diagnostic space where I tell you what's wrong with you. We're in the analytical space, which is let me tell you what's going on with you. And you can fix what's going on with you, right? Diagnostic comes with protocol, and protocol is like, bring in the authorities. This is okay, let's start with the things you can affect today. Now, the things that we can see is really kind of Buck Rogers. So this is where people are like, Well, how do you know your science is true? And I'll be, well, we don't ask any questions, genuinely. First name, last name, email, phone number. That's just so we can confirm it's you and get it back to you. I we don't ask about your exercise routine or what you take or what your family history is. And if when you see on it, it says something like sore shoulder or bruised knee or hurt back, how do you know that? I don't actually know anything. You're broadcasting it. Your nervous system and your physiology are broadcasting, let alone this is the resonator, you know, your chest that the voice sound comes out of. Funny, my fingers are on my heart right there. Right here is your vagus nerve, and right behind you is your brain stem. So pretty much everything that you are is in this quadrant. Everything else is just like an appendage to move you around the place, right? So if this right here is where your voice is coming out of, it's a pretty good notion that everything you are is coming out of this right here. So you're broadcasting what's going on. And, you know, everything else is, well, not everything else, mostly everything else is an electrical signal. So if those are just like garden hoses and there's a kinking in it somewhere and your sprinkler isn't working that well, you might track it all the way back and find the kink. That's what your voice allows you to do. Find the things along the track and trace that you're like, well, I'm deficient in boron, I'm deficient in manganese, I'm deficient. In potassium, all of the elements that we need. So in our world, I can show you, and I think I sent you both the raw data. So you see the output of what we're looking at, and you'll see all of your muscle groups in there. Now, mind you, those are outliers. That's how the program works. A hundred thousand things, we look for the outliers. It's something that is not where it's supposed to be. Like the piece of art behind me, if I walked in the room, where it is, where it is, I don't pay attention. But if it wasn't there, I would say, hey, what happened to the woman in the baseball hat, right? That's an outlier. So that's what we track the outliers, and then from there, minerals, vitamins, hormones, organs, muscles, pathogens, toxins, pretty much everything you are, minus your personality. And there are voice people that do personality. We just don't do EQ. Right? That's what's happening.
SPEAKER_00Let's talk a little bit about my report. So I don't have it in front of me, but you probably have it in front of you. Or you can have it in front of you.
SPEAKER_01I have mine in front of me. I can pull yours up too.
SPEAKER_00So I felt like when I read my report, okay, so I felt here's what I felt about it. I felt convicted about the dental health. There was something in there about like nanobacteria in my mouth. And I have two cavities that I need to get filled. But I promise, Alex, I brush my teeth and I floss whenever I can.
SPEAKER_02And I will say the same thing to you that I say to everybody. I'm confident that you do, really. I believe it. But I will also tell you that one is not a direct for the other, potentially. There is a potential that what it's saying about your mouth is your is your digestive health.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02And you talked about Yeah. Now don't get me wrong. You have cavities that need to get filled, got it. But it's also that understanding like the enzymes for the flora that's in the gut, like that's the longest system you have from the mouth to the anus because of all the things that it has to go through, and that health, which is why they say be a gut player, right? Like trust your gut because it's the biggest system that you have. So the variances in things also come into play there, right? So yeah, I brush and eye brush and floss also, but I've actually recently started scraping my tongue because it shows me that my enzyme's down. Now I happen to have candida, H. pylori, and Epstein bar issues. When those three, when those three things fire, I have chronic fatigue syndrome. So if if when I used to go to the doctor like 20 years ago for chronic fatigue syndrome, they're like, we can't figure this out. But if I went to the doctor and said, I'm having real issues with my candida and my, you know, and I have an Epstein bar virus, and oh, by the way, my H. pylari is like out of control. Well, H. pylari and Candida are kind of cohabitive. One's a yeast and the other one is is like the fluid that's in your in your gut biome. And when they're both out of whack, I might as well have a beer keg in me. You know what I mean? Like it's just creating and so I just say that to say I can adjust some of that through my oral health. And that's kind of like where we when I say like build better relationships with ourselves, because we don't know we're a chemistry experiment and a Rube Goldberg machine, right? Like the candle that burns that burns the the the string to kick the boot to roll the ball, da da da da da da da da da da. That's our systems. And at the same time, it's the the chemistry experiment. What's the candle made of? Is it beeswax? Is it paraffim? Is it what is it, right? And comes really difficult without us trying to understand us better, which is why well-being and wellness are so prevalent because we all know we're being poisoned. I'm not, I don't need to go down that road, but you know your food isn't what it's supposed to be. You know your air isn't what's I live in Montgomery County. I can't drink the water out of my tap. I just can't. I have three Air Force bases around me, and that has nothing to do with just the reality of 1970s and 80s chemicals being dumped on the ground. I don't think it was purposely done. I might in some other conversation, but not this conversation. But I do know it's not good water.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. We can have the conspiracy theory conversation another time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, but the base, just the root base of life. Need water. Right?
SPEAKER_00So let me ask you a few more questions. Um, one, I felt like I had a lot of pathogens.
SPEAKER_02Yes, we all do.
SPEAKER_00I didn't feel like Mike had as many pathogens. I felt like he was lighter on the pathogens.
SPEAKER_01Well, you know, it's just because I live a cleaner life.
SPEAKER_00My vitality score was higher though, by two points, and I hope that's statistically significant, Alex.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so here's the thing. You're uh uh of the pathogens, because now I'm looking at it, two of them are root. So, like CH pneumonia is a very easy, is a very easy detox. Super easy. Everybody has it this time of year, it's the precursor to viral load.
SPEAKER_00It just is, it's just one of those things. Okay, CH pneumonia. Tell me about this.
SPEAKER_01Does that does that come about with uh with uh you know seasonal allergies?
SPEAKER_02It comes along with a lot of things because it's a natural pathogen, essentially, but it's it's a it's the beginning of a viral load. So like what stress and wear and then changing of the seasoning was 90 degrees, and it was 40 degrees, and it was dry, then it was wet, then it was I had a coat on, I forgot my coat the next day, my body is a little bit tired, I'm a little bit run down. Like those type things are like where recommendations of like now the sun is out, but it wasn't before. So, how are you supplementing your vitamin D for the last couple months? And if you're at a deficit whilst a pathogen's coming in, then how are you beating right again? It's the chemistry experiment. Like, how do I get this to work for me and optimize for me? And that's the thing about tone well, because it's not an end-all be-all, it's it's it's faulty like everything else, meaning like do it in the morning, go drink 10 cups of coffee, run around the block, have a steak sandwich, and then do it again. It will be different. It's an it's an optimizer of a snapshot of now. So, like, I'll give a good example. We have a client of ours, she's in her mid-60s, she's through menopause, but she has these events that happen very late at night, 3, 4 in the morning, where she just can't sleep any longer. And she is affluent and has been to a ton of doctors and has great insurance and all of these things. But the doctors are during the daytime, like nine or 10 o'clock in the morning. And then they send you out to get blood panels. Awesome things for large form diagnostics, like your hormones are off, or you have X. But the moment isn't happening then when she's at the doctor or at the clinic. So for us, when when she came to us, she said, Well, how can I use this most effectively? Because people always want to baseline as opposed to how effectively. And I said, Well, your phone's pretty ubiquitous. You have it with you, right? Yeah, yeah, I have it. Cool. So at three o'clock in the morning or 3.30 or 3.45 or 4.15, I don't care. It's not a that's not a factor in my life. When that thing is happening, grab your phone. Then you're gonna get a snapshot of that exact second in time. And now I'll send you our wonderful report, and we're right about it, and and this is what you can start to do, but take that information to your hormone specialist because then they can actually see when there's a five-alarm fire in your house, not like you know, you're claiming smoke. Like, how do I I can't, I don't see it. And you went to go get the blood panel, and it wasn't happening at that second. So, yeah, this level's a little off, and yeah, we can. But what happens when you can get the snapshot? Like it's actually happening now. Then you can begin to address things. That's both at peak performance as well as lack performance. You're you know, it's your opportunity, your choice for your wellness, your well-being.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so what was the result with her? I mean, that's the part where I haven't heard.
SPEAKER_02So so she she she at three in the morning. The result with her is she literally had things that would just absolute spike up to the up to the ceiling, and the things that she was taking for her sleep and her rest, like melatonin, and like the things that used to have to sleep, weren't actually the the track and trace. It was hormonal. It was hormonal pathways, and it wasn't like simple, not simple, it wasn't things like estrogens or estratol, or it was the there's a lot of hormones that are happening here. And we all turn off differently. Like I do Brazilian jujitsu, I'm in my 50s, I'm asked a billion times when am I gonna start testosterone recover therapy? And my answer is when I'm 65, 70, I don't actually need it. My testosterone's pretty good, right? So what I do is I take an estrogen blocker, because estrogen and testosterone are on the same channel, right? And I take a pure DEHA, which is the precursor to those two anyway, and my body turns it into testosterone, so I can support my natural pathway as opposed to getting into something because TRT is synthetic most of the time. And once my body's like, oh, you're putting it in, it might stop producing it itself because you're just supplementing it. So I went to the pathway of how to help support, continue creating it, and that's where conversations of wellness and longevity come to the personal operating system, which is the beauty of the age we're moving into. How do you create your own personal operating system?
SPEAKER_01Love it, it's great. I think it's you know, when when we first when I first looked at this, I had never heard it or seen anything like it before. And for me, I think the most powerful thing is that story you just told. When and at that moment, when it's happening, you can then you know at least capture that data as we're talking about, and then what they uh ultimately end up doing with it is really up to them. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's uh it's pretty it's pretty great. I love it.
SPEAKER_02So we work a lot in like cohorts with things. So people uh ultimately, what's your competitor? Is it wearables? I was like, how? Wearables are output devices. I'm helping you alter your input, right? So like I've I've been an athlete long enough in my life, and you know, I know how to do something like this. It's called journal, right? So I could write everything down, how fast I ran XYZ, what my heart rate was when I stopped at the light, how many calories, how many steps, all of those things. And then I know how to add and and you know, come up with with ratios and percentages. We were taught these things. So, what is a wearable doing? That's what it's tracking, the output of things. Now, mind you, it's gamified it. So the score is like, oh, it's better today than yesterday. But do you know why? And if I can help you with the why, then what you start tracking on your output can be affected. Like I what I'm just running my car without thinking about the diagnostic of my systems? And and why isn't my track time getting faster? Well, there's a million things in that run rate that you have to look at. So for us, we're like a force multiplier in what somebody's looking to do because I want you to go out and use your wearables and HRV, and if you have the money, you should have an eight sleep. Those things are incredible. And you should have your blood done and, and, and, and, and. So, where we fit in is helping you understand the here and now and the input. Inputs equal output, like your intention and your uh attention need to be aligned. Otherwise, you're just spinning your wheels, right? So the same thing is true here. If you're not managing your boron, do you know what boron's for? Because I certainly don't, but I can tell you when you're when you don't have it. And if you don't have it and you need it and your body's like, oh my god, look, there's boron. I'm gonna do whatever the hell we do with boron, right? Like whatever we do with boron, we're gonna do that.
SPEAKER_01I used to take it when I was a kid because apparently it's uh great for muscle growth. So exactly.
SPEAKER_02Or zinc or iron or so right now we sell one and three.
SPEAKER_01I have a horrible story about it.
SPEAKER_02Right? I'm sure you do. Right now we sell one and threes. One is mostly for dudes, just to be perfectly frank. Because like guys want to know, and I'll come back and we sell a package of three mostly for women because they're smarter than us, and they track more. So, like my mencies just ended, I'm in the middle of my site, just got my period. What if you were tracking that so you see how your month is flowing, and you can see when you're high on this and low on that, and high on this and low on that. And now you can begin to put your whole package together. We're we're in a seed round and raising capital. But our next iteration is 40-day, 60-day, and 90-day journeys. So that, and that's where we'll start asking questions because that's where intentionality, what are you trying to accomplish? And our platform allows you to upload your wearables, your HRV, your blood test, everything that you want here, and we can help you understand how to do the dailies. What am I looking for weekly? How do I set that week goal? Like, imagine if your smart fridge was like, you're out of milk. No, that's the wrong type of dairy for you, actually. The enzyme of cheese is bad for you. You like dairy, eat ice cream, right? You want your digestion is off. We suggest that you eat more bitter herbs this week. It's it's you know, it's a regular for you. You know, it's whatever, right? That's that's where the world should be heading, and not like big mass data collection, which is kind of what we've fallen into. I think that most wearables are infrastructure companies. Again, different conversation, but they're not really solving for you as X.
SPEAKER_00Interesting. Hey, the Better Body Lab podcast listeners. I want to tell you about Body Care MD. If you've been listening to this podcast, you already know we don't chase hype. We focus on what actually works, real science, real results, and real quality. That's exactly why we partnered with Body Care MD. Body Care MD is built around one simple idea. Give people access to high-quality, thoughtfully formulated wellness solutions without all the noise and confusion that's out there right now. Whether you're focused on weight loss, recovery, longevity, or just feeling better day to day, they're creating products that are actually designed to support your body, not just market to you. And the best part, they make it easy. If you want to check them out, go to bodycaremd.com and use code body25. That's B-O-D-Y-25 for 25% off your first order. If you've been waiting for a sign to start dialing things in, consider this. Your sign. But I think a big subset of your work that's really fascinating is about stress reduction, it's about recovery, it's about nervous system regulation. Um so Alex, what is when we think about modern life, how we're living our lives today, what is modern life doing to our nervous system that many people are underestimating?
SPEAKER_02Here's a music answer for you. I'm in my 50s, I was raised on the cathode ray tube. Super fancy way of saying television. Okay, and the cathode ray tube, the thing that had the big is a center chord C. Go to a compute, go to a keyboard, full keyboard, hit the center thing. It's a it's a C note, it's a beautiful note, it's very calm, it's very warm. It's why people used to sleep in front of the television set. Okay, it is very warm and embracing. You now live in a sharp A. So go to the far right key on the keyboard and go ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. See this right here? Yeah. That is a A. That's what it resonates in. That's why the screen that they did not need to make the color that it is, is the color that it is, because it's resonating at an A sharp. That's why you have to check it a thousand times. That's why you have anxiety of missing things. It's just reality, because that's frequency. I am an opera singer. There is a crystal in front of me. It's not the volume that breaks the glass, it's the pitch of the note. Every uh crystal is a little bit different, but the but tell me what it is, I can get the note close enough, and then I work on my pitch. That is what people discount. My phone has never been in my bedroom. Ever. It never will be. I like to sleep, thank you. And I don't need the psychological what am I missing out? First thing I'm gonna do is grab it. We live in an anxiety pattern that we've created for ourselves, and we've heightened it by things that are around us that have genuinely no meaning. And I don't mean this flippantly, like I mean it like as a construct. If you left your phone behind and you just went about your day, is the world gonna end? No. The world's gonna end when the when the world's gonna end. It just is. Welcome to it. You're not gonna ever change anything about it. What you can change about about is how you interact in things, and that affects health as much as anything else affects your health, which is why to tonality. When you're angry, you go up a pitch. When you're upset, you begin to quiver because it's all coming out of here. So I think that that's a giant misnomer. And then you get into technology side, like inf like it, like red light beds are great. You should really check how much UV is in the thing. That's that's the important part. Not the spectrum of light, how it's being delivered to you. Right? Like these things be really matter, and since we're all chasing the carrot that's attached to a stick connected to the horse running, you'll never catch it. We're worrying about the wrong things when it comes to you as the individual, right? Like you as the individual, we're all made up of the same stuff. We're put together totally differently. We're all shattered in some way, shape, or form. It's like the trick of being a human being. It's putting your stuff back together in a way that you're okay with, and then figuring out how to maximize that output potential. And that could be the way you eat, the way you exercise, the way you supplement, the way you manage your stress. My phone does not go to my room, period. End of conversation. So I can walk away from it. Like literally, I'm done, I walk away. I don't pick up my phone for the first hour that I'm awake. I happen to be an early waker riser anyway. So at 6 a.m., who the heck do I need to talk to? Nobody. I walk my dog, I I start my day, I make my coffee, I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, I answer the phone. I pick it up, and then I get into my routine. But my routine has as much of me in it as it does the world in it. So I actually think that that's one of the most important things that we just don't do any longer. And it happened during COVID a bit. People took things back that they never. I started making my own bread. That time is mine. I'm never, I'm not going back into that office. But then we it gets chiseled away by the next, oh my God, I need that factor. But uh other than the anxiety of that period of time, remember how well you felt when your opportunity set was what am I doing with my time today? Not who's taking my time today. And that's seriously how how technology, both good and bad, but there were there are huge advantages to the phones that we use today. Huge, massive, unbelievably incredible. And then there's not because you're not getting away from it, and the frequency that's delivered to you is actually anxiety for the type of proteins that we are.
SPEAKER_01So what do you record uh on then if you need if you had a moment in the middle of the night?
SPEAKER_02Um, I would run downstairs.
SPEAKER_01Go get the phone. Yeah. I mean, I just figured because you got a musical background, I figured you probably had some sort of uh, you know, eight track system and then.
SPEAKER_02I have I my my room my my bedroom has as little electronics in it as possible. There's one lamp. Seriously. I I'm only in there to sleep. It's a ha it's I it's in my house. Now, as a guy that comes from New York City, I used to live in a studio apartment and I couldn't get away from anything. Now I have a bedroom and it's upstairs. I'm sitting in my office, right? So like out over. If I need it, I can make it from here, from there to here in 30 seconds. Jump the stairs, and here we go. But when I leave here and I'm going to sleep, for me, sleep is sacred. It's the thing that they really, really don't talk enough about. It's where recovery happens and letting go of stress happens. And if you can get clarity, it's where your really good thoughts are because you're not tethered to anything, right? There's no reality other than the one you're manifesting. So there's one lamp in my bedroom, and it's on my wife's side of the because I could first off, I have terrible eyes. So, like I've worked, I've walked my bedroom so many times I don't need a light. What do I need in there? I need the quiet and the tranquility of sleep.
SPEAKER_01Alex, um, earlier you gave an example of a of a client uh who has used Tonewell and in the benefits she's had. Um could you give us another example of someone who uh went to Tonewell, by the way, it's tonewell.co. Uh and they went to your website, they submitted the 30-second audio test, and the results or andor the impact that it had on their health. I'd love to hear some of those kind of early stories.
SPEAKER_02So we have a young client, he is now 14, and he is an athlete in school and in the midst of a growth spurt, and his body was not keeping up with his body. All right, so he grew, but his systems weren't coming along with it. And his mother is a uh executive at ESPN, and she works with my wife, who's a hormone specialist, and uses tone well for her client base, and she said, Hey, can I can my child do this? I said, Yeah, of course, no problem. So what we recognized in him is that his body, strangely enough, and I actually had to have a little private conversation with him because I came, grew up in New York City, and I was a deviant as a child. So I did have to ask him a question, which was, why does your body show so much alcohol? And he said, I don't know. I said, No, no, seriously, like I'm never gonna tell your mom, but like I'm seeing this on your report, and like it's either something I need to point out or something I don't need to point out. You know what I mean? And he's like, No, I swear to God. I said, Okay, cool. So then we have to understand that your body's creating a lot is converting your sugars into alcohols, which means that your muscles are not getting what they need. Now, there was a simple answer for him in his nutritional stack, and that's what we helped him do. But his body was doing a weird conversion because he grew so fast that the systems were just out of whack. They just, I don't know why. I I again not a scientist, but I can I can tell you what I'm seeing. So we have a we have a company out west in in uh Hollywood that uses us for caste insurance. So day of. So the night before everybody gets a tone well, they do the thing, uh, everybody's healthy, the next day we're on. It works for do you have the flu? Do you not have the flu as well? But this is more about like, I can't call it day of, I'll lose a half million, a million dollars. So let's do it the night before, kind of thing. Anyway. But because of their union structure, the reports that we send them have to be tailored. I can't actually tell you about the things that I see here in their extracurricular activities, let's say. It's not allowed to do it. It would violate your union. Now, you might want to ask them a secondary question, but I can't even tell you that. I can just tell you they're healthy. I might not choose to put these stimulants in my body that they choose to put in their body, but hey, that's just me, right? So, like, it depends upon what the opportunity set is for those type of things. As far as health and wellness is concerned, we've helped a lot of people with their diet because they don't understand why they're not losing weight. Right? Now, not losing weight is a very large scale. What is your system doing? Is your system processing? Is your metabolism working? Do you have the right, you know, gut flu for uh uh uh thank you, floor, digestion, and and and or is it just all asparagus, meaning going in, going out, right? So, like that stuff's really important because the opportunity set for modern chemistry, the GL1s and all of that, if you could support your actual body the proper way, then you'll get those results that you're really looking for in those opportunities. And then they don't actually become a forever thing, they become a tool like all things should be. I'm gonna use it, maximize, get my result, take a second look at what the next opportunity is. I tell this with people about NAD, like NAD is one of those things we all need, but you might not need it. If you don't need it, because your body's producing it, you can move on to the next thing in the stack. And just because the Instagram influencer told you that NAD is the greatest thing, it's pretty damn cool, doesn't mean you actually need it. NMM is the same thing. You know, all of these things are the same thing. So for us, we work with a lot of peak performance people that are like, how do I maximize my output? Awesome. But I like solving the equation for somebody that's like, I'm stuck at like the woman with hormones or the child that's having growth issues, or somebody that just can't get the weight off, but you're like, yeah, but look at what you're not processing. You have no manganese. Like, maybe if we fixed your potassium pump, you know, the thing that matters, we could then get those other things going for you.
SPEAKER_00Actually, that story that you told made me think about the output from my report again. Back to me.
SPEAKER_02I still have it open, so go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Great about your clients. Wait a minute, back to me. Um, so the report said that there was like some kind of alcohol in my system, but I don't drink alcohol.
SPEAKER_02Yes, here's the problem. Well, here's the thing that is that is I don't drink alcohol either, and I haven't in 30 years. But sugars and yeast create alcohol. Okay. Like that's how beer is made. That's how if you've ever fermented something in your fridge, you know, you put like not intentionally. Okay, so like, you know, there's like ginger bugs to make kombucha. That's sugar and yeast. They create an alcohol, it's the offput gas. So these are the things that the people read things very deliberately, and I try to make our reports as like Crayola crayon as I can, but there are still then these base assumptions of what I put in. No, no, no. I'm showing you what your body's creating. Caffeine's the next one. If I get one more person that's like, I don't drink coffee, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But understand caffeine is the thing that's made. Right? It's it's so alcohol is the same, which says that maybe some of your diet is conflicting. Like, eat this, and like there's a there's a great book by a guy named Fred Vichy. He was like the pioneer of like eating clean, and he used to recommend to everybody, and he's an old, old guy now, but he wrote the book in like the 70s, that if you started your day with fruit, which is a wonderful thing to start your day with, do not eat again for like four hours because that sugar, fructose, put in bread a minute later and you get alcohol, right? So it is again back to the chemistry experiment that we are. What are you doing to create, you know, the next the next chain?
SPEAKER_01Got it. What if we had like um like donuts or something like that? Like donuts. Would they would would would that somehow, or if you had maybe too many donuts, would that somehow convert into alcohol?
SPEAKER_00Like Frangelis donuts?
SPEAKER_01Like Frangelis donuts from the house.
SPEAKER_02There's a place up here, there's a there's a place right next to my jujitsu gym called Yum Yum Donuts, and uh unfortunately the woman knows me. Um and she's this Vietnamese lady, man, and her oil is so clean that you don't taste the oil in any of it. And I'm an old-fashioned donut guy. Like, if you can make an old-fashioned, you can sell me on anything, anyway. Um, so all of those things have like, what's the opportunity set? What's the possibility and the probability, right? So it's always probable. What's the possibility? So, like, what's what's the next thing that's factoring that to grow and fester and become something else? That's where eating is really an interesting experiment for everybody. Like, cheese gives me a headache, but I can eat ice cream all day long, right? Like, it's just the way it goes. Because the enzymes with inside of that process, just one just doesn't agree with me and the other one's totally fine. You know, so when it comes to things like donuts, like um crispy cream used to make me nauseous, nothing against Krispy Kreme, because there was just so much sugar in the thing that my body just would freak out. First, if you just handed me like an old-fashioned cake donut, we're good. Yeah. Interesting, interesting donut. Asking for a friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So good. All right. Going back to sort of the nature of burnout and and overwhelm and exhaustion. If someone is feeling stressed all the time, what's usually really happening for them? And what is the short and long-term impact of that chronic stress on people's health?
SPEAKER_02Well, some of it's personality. Like I say to anybody that wants to listen, I'm not the softest pillow on the bed. Just not. So, like, I have no anger problems, but I'm a rageholic and I've had to deal with that my life and get that under control. It's just my personality. So there's that. The next are the the fact the mitigating factors. What is your cortisol doing? What is your what is your vitamins doing? If you're deficient in something and you're getting this rub irritation, it's gonna create the volatileness that comes out. Stress has a lot of factors, both external and internal, right? Like you can manage the internal ones. External, um, you know, I'm I'm not here to talk about, but like the fact is is you can manage those also. There's a great word, it's called no, just mean it. Um, but on the internal factors, like the ability for your system to process properly, and it could be something in the magnesium family. There are a ton of them. It could be something in the GABA receptor, or how do you get the oxytocin to work, or how do you get the like, you know, the dopamine's a great example. It's why we all like chocolate, you know, or like great experience because you get that instant kick of dopamine, that's the feel-good feeling. You can actually recreate that by having a full chemistry inside of you. So again, it comes down to looking at what you might be lacking and how you can support that. You can support it in your diet, in your supplementation, in your vitamin. I say to most people, I happen to really like high impact exercise. I'm not a go-to-the-gym guy, but jujitsu is high impact. But genuinely, a 10-minute walk is what your body's really looking for. 15 minutes of just getting air and having everything move all at once is really all your body's looking to run that engine. And if you can connect your mind and your body in a better way, a lot of the other things just kind of go away. It's why I like the sport that I do. Because when I'm doing it, I'm not thinking about anything else, but my brain is running it full out, and my body is running it full out. And that connection, when you hit that flow state and you're like, oh my God, I just changed whatever, 13 moves together, and I didn't think about any of it. Your body is so satisfied, and your and your personality and your and your brain are so satisfied with that that it lets other things go, right? And the things that we hold on to that you just keep mulling over is because you probably haven't found a better outlet for it, and or the elevator is stuck, and you might need to grease some of those wheels. Like genuinely, you might need to actually get some of the other processes going better so that you don't feel so bad. So your gut isn't killing you, you don't have the headaches, your your your joints and your muscles aren't as inflamed, and therefore you can just let it go.
SPEAKER_01Wow, uh again, I keep saying wow, because I'm just so fascinated with this. So we're we're running up against uh a time constraint here, and I could keep you here for forever. And I'm we're probably gonna have to let me bring you back and to talk a little bit more about maybe Taryn's test, and we can compare, we can compare ours and go head to head on that. So if someone were uh interested, uh one of our viewers, listeners, hopefully all of them, uh they go to tonewile.co, I believe. Uh how does it work? What do they need to do? How's the process? You had mentioned people do it multiple times. Sure.
SPEAKER_02So we've built this to be frictionless. I believe over 60 seconds, 90% of people say no. Welcome to like 50 consumer products in my life. You have to make yeah, you have to make the opportunity the yes. So we've tried to do that. We are non-invasive, no blood, no urine, no hair, no swab. Cool, obvious, we're using voice. But then there's the friction part of it. How easy is this for you to use? So you go to tonewell.co, you choose your pathway with us, one scan, three scans. What happens after we've qualified you, simply meaning I know that it's you, and here it is. You get an SMS message from us. So I'm in your pocket. The ubiquity of the phone is great that way. You will click you click the SMS link, it instantly takes you into our cloud. You speak for 30 seconds. It takes us about 25 seconds to process, about another minute and a half of workflow, and in under five minutes, you get your report and our results right to your email in about, since I don't know when this is going to air, but from this time, we in about 30 days from now, we'll be even more seamless. So we will all be directly on your phone with an interface. You don't have to go anywhere, it just shows up right there for you. And then in a very short period after that, I told you about the platform that we will launch that allows you to come do journeys with us. So if you did a 40-day journey with us, how can we help you begin to change your habits and your lifestyle? And that's what we're looking to do. But right now we're very seamless to the we looked at the customer first. What makes people say no? Everybody wants to feel better, but then there are all these boxes of no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, one box of yes. So it's our job as a company or any company to eliminate those no's. Look how easy it is. Look how so our frictionless point is I get to use the ubiquity of a phone, and there's only two microphone companies in the world that are in telephones, and they're both as good as like the highest recording microphone in a in a music studio today. So I'm not worried about your phone. I'm worried about are you in a quiet place with no traffic? And can you just speak for 30 seconds? Anybody can. We don't listen to the files. I say that to say it doesn't matter what you say. We look at the wavelength.
SPEAKER_00Very cool. Well, this is really exciting, and I think a lot of times our listeners are, you know, just to your point, thinking about what's the thing that I can do that's going to be the smallest meaningful step that I can take toward enhancing my health. And so what I love about what you're doing here is, you know, so often we think about like what's the upgrade I can do in the next 24 hours. This is an upgrade that you can do inside of five minutes to understand what's happening in your body.
SPEAKER_02The reality is that like necessarily why don't I feel well today? And if we can help you make that choice and do make choices over the next three days, ten days, recognize that habits and patterns begin at about the two-week mark. So if you begin to care about what your output is a little bit more and look at things, what else can I look at? When I left Sony in 2007, because I literally wasn't going to be the president of Columbia Records, I stopped drinking soda because it was free in the commissary, and I was not going to pay for it any longer. Recognizing I was drinking way too much, like a six pack of Coke a day kind of thing. I stopped drinking it and within two weeks I lost almost 15 pounds. So I said, wow, what else can I do now? If I can do that, what else can I do? If I simply start drinking water as opposed to all this other stuff, where else can I look in my food? In my exercise, and and then that becomes the game that you play with yourself, not other people, yourself. I like how I feel. I want to feel a little better. Can I now add exercise in there? Can I now make my own XYZ that I used to buy from somebody? Like I make my own pizza because I don't actually need MSG in my pizza. Nothing wrong with MSG, but I don't actually need it because I'm gonna eat the thing. I don't need to preserve my dough, right? But I now make better dough because I buy the flour and I make it out of sourdough and and and and and because I just kept going. How else can I make this better? Right? Same thing.
SPEAKER_00It's the uh it's the the virtuous cycle of the first good decision, right? It gives us that confidence and that excitement and enthusiasm to say, wow, if I can do that, what can I do next?
SPEAKER_02The longest journey starts with a single step.
SPEAKER_00There you go, Laozu.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_00Well, Alex, Fredericks, thank you so much for being here with us today on the Better Body Lab podcast. We're delighted that you joined us, and we're so happy and delighted to share Tonewell with all of our listeners.
SPEAKER_02Thank you so much. I appreciated it.
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