Leadership, Emotional Intelligence, and Project Management | Jeremiah Hammon | #iolglobal

What does it take to lead mission-critical projects, inspire teams, and navigate uncertainty with confidence?

In this episode of the Lead with Legacy™ Podcast, Amanda Chambers sits down with Jeremiah Hammon, PMP, co-founder of Project Revolution, to discuss leadership, project management, emotional intelligence, and the personal journey behind becoming a transformational leader.

Jeremiah shares insights from his experience leading high-stakes projects across industries such as aerospace, defense, and nuclear energy. Together, they explore the leadership mindset required to guide teams through complexity, uncertainty, and change.

This conversation covers:

• The real role of project managers in modern organizations
• Why leadership—not just technical skill—is the true advantage
• How emotional intelligence shapes executive presence
• The importance of addressing conflict rather than avoiding it
• How great leaders stretch their teams without breaking them
• The future of project management and the Global Project Management Collective
• Jeremiah’s work with Project Revolution and helping leaders develop high-performance teams
• The power of music, creativity, and personal passions outside of work

Jeremiah also shares lessons from influential leaders in his career and discusses how leaders can create clarity and certainty for teams in an uncertain world.

This episode is a powerful conversation about leadership, growth, and the impact leaders can have when they invest in people.

Learn more about Jeremiah Hammon and Project Revolution:

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Lead with Legacy, the official podcast of IOL Global. Here we will explore leadership that outlives titles and trends. Through conversations with faith-based and marketplace leaders, we will discuss integrity, conviction, and purpose. To learn more about us, visit us at IOL Global dot com. Today I am extremely honored to be on with my friend and colleague, Mr. Jeremiah Hammond. Jeremiah and his partner, Brooke Braga, are co-founders of the Project Revolution. And they're gonna he Jeremiah's gonna talk a little bit more about that, um, what that is and what that means and some of the other initiatives that he has going on. So I'm going to give the floor to him and let us tell him a little bit more about himself and then later we'll talk how we know each other.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Very cool. Thank you. Thank you, Amanda. I am honored to be here and talking with you. Uh, Project Revolution, let's let's start off there. I like it. So, Project Revolution is um a business that me and Brooks started to help the project management managers, leaders of the world develop those mission critical projects and lead and deliver and get results out of them. We are here to pull the future forward faster. That's our goal. And so everything that we do is like, well, helping people get certified if they want to get certified. We understand the PMP, which is a global certification by PMI, which is the project management institute that has the standard and the, you know, the guidelines for major project management. And then we also, you know, I work a lot with executive coaching. So I do a lot of coaching with executives to help them build not only their teams, but really understand themselves at a deeper level so they can lead at a deeper level. Because at the end of the day, leadership is the ultimate advantage in what we're doing. You know, I like to tell people this you know, 20% is understanding those frameworks, getting your frameworks and understanding how to use the tools and whether you're leading projects in operations, no matter what you're doing, we got to have frameworks around that. But the real, the real, the goal is in your leadership abilities. 80% is understanding how to motivate, handle conflict, handle people to get them to take appropriate action in the projects and the things that they're leading in their businesses. That's what I do. So I help people who get certified, I help people in project management understand how to use project management better. And then I help executives really understand their team so they can create high voltage cultures.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

And I love that. And that's one of the reasons you're on this podcast, is because we want to focus on leadership. What makes a good leader? What does a look a good leader look like? How do we help other people be good leaders? And so you were such a perfect and logical fit for this podcast to talk about leadership. So let's talk a little bit about how we know each other. Um, and I'll kind of speak to that. So I was on a project, which um people listening in the podcast will hear this a few times. I was on a project last year um to bring together a collective of project managers, of trainers to teach together um in kind of a remote but smashed together setting. So teach some courses. And I found you on LinkedIn because you are quite famous on LinkedIn. And I found you and requested that you be a part of this team and be one of these instructors, and you so graciously agreed. And so we got a unique opportunity um for what about six months to work together um off and on and create some courses, do some instructional design, and and with a a full team of people create this what's called Pure Management Alliance. And everyone can check that out if they want to. Jeremia's got a course on there. Um and so that's how we got in in touch. And since then, we've been able to collaborate on some stuff, kind of send resources back and forth. Um, I've been able to follow the work that you and Brooke are doing. It's amazing. It's it's awesome. And I think that we are connected in more ways than we probably collectively realize at this point. But it's been really amazing to see um engagement and the transformation that you guys are going through and your business is growing and the people that you're helping, because we have we see a lot of testimonials on LinkedIn from people talking about, you know, what you guys have done for them, how you've helped them. I mean, so it's been pretty incredible. Let me ask you this question. What I want to come back to the new project that you have too. So don't let me forget that as well. What shifted for you from managing projects and where did like where did you start with that to experiencing this personal and leadership transformation that you guys are in now?

SPEAKER_01 4:28

You know, when I was working on this project here in Portland, Oregon. And one of the biggest things was it was like we had a very short window to really be able to lead. And as you, you know, everybody knows when you're working on projects, it's like, you know, there's a we all have different stages of development as project managers, you know, and and just in our levels of consciousness and everything, you know, spiritually, mentally, and physically. Everything that we're doing, we're constantly growing. So when you first kick off in your project management journey, we're really hungry for that technical knowledge. And that really is giving us our base experience, you know, your breadth and depth of your technical abilities to be able to handle this the job. And that will only get you so far. And so as you start growing in your leadership, you know, you know, you can either stay, you know, more of the doer, or we get an opportunity to be the achiever leader. And you get to move up and you get to, so sometimes we like to be doers helpers, then we become achievers. And then from there, it's like, well, how do we get into leadership? Yeah. And the reason why that clicked for me and really what changed my life is I was working on a lot of really mission critical projects. Now, I've worked in the Department of Defense, I've worked in aerospace, I've worked in nuclear. And when you're working in certain lead teams, there's a lot of requirements around what we're doing. So the technical aspect has to be there. One. Two, you've got to then be able to get people to do the hard things even when they don't want to. Like it's like, how do we get people to? And it's really like, you know, we're all doing our best. We show up and we're we're doing our best to achieve the mission, achieve the goal. But as we get down into the weeds and we're down in the, you know, and in the depths of the work itself, only seeing what's in front of us, literally like right down our nose, we forget about the bigger picture. That's leadership.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

We have to be able to come back to the 30,000-foot view, understand why we're doing what we're doing and how we're doing it. And then how do we say it in a way that people can understand and they see themselves in it and how they're growing, who they become on the other side of it.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Yeah, 100%. I 100% agree. We're we're kind of walking through that in IOL right now. So I have a phenomenal assistant I've been super blessed with, and even more so blessed that she's here and that she gets to come into the office. Um, because although I've worked remote for so long, I thought I didn't think I was gonna like that. But I really am liking it. And so we're working on some stuff now similar to what you and I were doing before, um, where we're creating some coursework. And so we're walking through some instructional design and I'm teaching her how to do these things and that exact same perspective. Like I'm ha because she's never done this before. She's phenomenal and she's she's a quick learner, but right now she's only seeing the compartmentalized part of it, like, oh, we're doing the outline and then we're doing the PowerPoint, and then we're and and it's easy to get lost in those little compartments of things. And I'm trying to explain to her like this and show her this is what we're going to build, this is what it's going to become. And she's very bright, brilliant, but she's never done it. And so how I've had to struggle and I've told her this, I'm like, as a leader, I have to get you to see the whole picture from start to finish. Cause right now it's like, oh no, this is, and she's not complaining, but I get it, you know, it's just this little part, and we have to learn how to give that story of like it's the whole, the whole thing. This is where our end result is. And it's not easy, you know, because it's all in my head. And I'm like, oh, I know how to do it. I could just do it, but that's not a good leader if I do it. You know, I want people, and I and I tell her and I tell other people, I want people who are gonna be better than me. I want to teach you better than me. I want you to know better than me so that I don't have to worry about the thing once I pass it off. Um, and and part of that is looking at the whole picture and and standing back, like you said, and and really seeing the big vision of it.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

It's so I love that. Yeah, it's so important that as leaders that we we trust our team just a little bit more than they've earned because that's how they grow.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

It's how they grow. Because if like, if like you know, we all know that we if I you give me a task and you say, Jeremiah, here's a task. Um, I know a hundred percent you're gonna get this done and it's easy. Well, I'm gonna be like, like, I'm gonna be like, oh, it's not, it doesn't really, it doesn't really fire you up. But now if you give me a task that where let's say I'm a I'm a five on the scale of skill and it's a task that requires a seven, you've now stretched me to be a little bit better and trust me a little bit more than I've earned. And I know, but now you're you're you're contributing to my growth, and I'm gonna go at it with full gusto because I know it's achievable, it's a little bit outside my skill set. And now you've motivated and empowered me.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

That's just that's leadership, that's teamwork. That's that's the biggest thing I've learned in my career.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

I love that, and I agree with that so much. And and I have had leaders in my life who've done that to me, too, me for me, that has gotten me where I am because they pushed me just a little bit, but kindly and with grace and allowed me to make mistakes, right? It's okay if we make mistakes. I have learned more from mistakes than I have, you know, just doing the thing, the easy thing. So I love you speaking to that. Please excuse my voice. It's it's getting a little scratchy today.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Number three, you know, just really quick, I want to pull on that. Yeah. No, one of the things when you say, you know, you have to give people a little bit of grace. We have to understand and give just a little bit of grace. I had there's a dark side of leadership too. And I and I had somebody say, I'm going to let you do the task until you hang yourself. And I was like, that doesn't seem like the kind of leader that I want to follow. That doesn't seem like follow-worthy leadership because you're not supposed to let me, you know, completely, you know, die on the vine. You're supposed to stretch me, not break me. Bend, don't break. And so that's you have excellent leadership right there. I can tell just by that. Well, also also knowing you. But just the fact you say we got to give people grace too and understanding, that's super, super important.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yeah, I really do think it's so important because what took me years and years to learn, right? If I'm trying to teach or mentor someone to do that same thing, I have to constantly remind myself that took you years. How many mistakes did you make? How many people had to come behind you and look at what you did that shaped you and that were great, you know, that said, hey, you know what, you might have missed this. So let's just point this out. Let's walk through this together. Um, that's what a true leader and what a true mentor is is allowing that opportunity to fail. If we can't, if we can't ever fail, then you're just creating an environment of fear and people are working under you in fear, and that's never a good place to be. And they won't stay. People will not stay in that environment.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

So no, if they start looking right away and then they basically quietly quit.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Yes. And then you're over here, what happened? You know? Well, that's why it's important too, you know, to continue your learning journey as a leader, to continue to learn. And that's one of the reasons why we're doing this podcast is to learn from different leaders. Everybody that's gonna be on here is has experience and insights to share. And it's all gonna be different, right? Because you're all from different backgrounds, you're all doing different things. Um, and so your experience is gonna be different than mine, and vice versa. Um, and so it's it's just a unique opportunity, just kind of a fun opportunity to talk and say, okay, well, what's something that you know? What's something that we may never thought of? I may never have thought of it or encountered it because we're from you know different places and different areas.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

So that's why masterminds are so fun. Yes. All the different perspectives. You know, we tell people if you want innovation, you gotta have new perspectives and new voices. Yeah. And if you want to get what you've always done, do what you've always did. You know, to get what you've always got, do what you've always done. A lot of people go, I want to do that. And it's like, if you really want to go forward faster, new perspectives, new voices.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Absolutely. Absolutely. I 100% agree. All right. Next question. What do leaders commonly misunderstand about the true role of a project manager?

SPEAKER_01 11:49

All of it.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Well, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Yeah, it's it's that's really like a it, it's, you know, uh to quote my my good friend Andy Kaufman, well, it depends. And and it's true because it depends on what your industry is. But let's like in the industries that I've worked mostly in, you know, DOD, DOE, aerospace, and nuclear, we're really responsible for profit and loss, PL. So we really have to know a lot about scope, schedule, costs, so the technical ability and how they integrate and how to actually know the technical aspect of that. But then the next part is really understanding that there's frameworks for these critical things like decision making, conflict resolution. You know, conflict resolution is not that we're just born a leader and then we just wake up and we're like, I am so good at conflict resolution. They lean into it. A lot of us do not like conflict, and it's everywhere. There's tension, whether it's healthy or negative, in every environment. And so we have to learn tools and techniques around that. And we can. And so a lot of people are like, well, you know, I just kind of just do whatever when really around it, or they avoid it altogether. But really, you have to lean in and learn it. So a lot of the things that I've seen in leadership are that people, you know, they miss certain aspects of frameworks that they can learn to step up their leadership ability and then get the reps to do it. Like you have to practice it. It doesn't just magically happen. Yes, some people are gonna be more charismatic than others, but you have to work at it. And so in the project management industry, we really are the bridge between the CEOs and the executives and then the people doing the work. And so we have to have all of those skill sets. You have to have the skill sets of the CEOs, the VPs, the CFOs, especially in the industries I worked in. Then you have to be also get down on the ground and be able to work with everybody, have the technical, but speak their language top down, bottoms up. So a lot of people think project managers are admin and push paper pushers. And I've heard that a lot. And I can further from the truth. They bridge the gap between the doers doing the doing and the leaders planning the strategy and getting the result in the organization and the society.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

So true. And I I I certainly fall, and my default is the avoidance. Like if there, if there's, you know, a conflict or there's change, because I've never really been great at change. My default setting is to avoid, but I've learned over the years, and truly, and this is no joke, like from people like you, that that's not the best way to deal with things, right? It's drags it out, it makes it worse, it makes it longer, it makes it more terrible for everybody else. And the elephant in the room is already the elephant in the room, so we might as well just deal with it, right? Deal with it, deal with it well, you know. Um, and I think you I think you're exactly right. I think there's a misconception. I think we're getting better at it as a whole about, you know, what is the project manager? What do they do? Who can be a project manager? Who is the project manager? Um, that so you know, and and for those people that are listening that are not in the project management uh world, there is a whole world of this and a whole, I would say thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people in this line of work. Um and they're doing really, really integral, really important work.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

It's so important to different industries and different things that are going on. And some of them don't even know they're doing it. You know, they're they're doing the role and they don't know they're doing it. And so I love what you guys are doing at Project Revolution because you're helping people understand what they're doing, what their mission is, how to do it really, really well with good emotional intelligence, good cultural intelligence, good leadership. And to really kind of find that um and ignite, like, okay, I was already doing this, but I can do it better. I can do it, you know, with a certification, or I can get a raise doing what I'm doing and things like that. So you guys are really have a unique opportunity and a unique way to bring that out and to see the good in the people and the good that they're doing. And I I just love that. And that's one of the reasons we want to have you on here because I really think that the work you're doing is really incredible. And you do it in such an energetic way. You're one of my very favorite people. Like if anybody ever needs a pick-me-up, just you know, chat with Jeremiah and you'll feel amazing. Um so tell me a little bit about before we get to some other questions, tell me about the new project that you have going on.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Well, you know, the Global Project Management Collective is a community that a few of me and my peers decided to create because we wanted to have a place where we could learn project management and the future of project management in real time together. We're very passionate about it. So the Global Project Management Collective is what it is, and it's a like a just a community on LinkedIn. Um it's it's it's all about us understanding that there's a lot more to it than just and I and I hate to say this, but um, there's a lot of like, I want to say generic terminology and messaging out there around what project management is.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

And it's and it's and it's unfortunate because in the world of AI, which is incredible because we have AI, we can leverage it. I'm a huge proponent fan, I'm a fan of AI. You got to use it. But then there's also the easy button. And so LinkedIn is has turned into a platform that's got a lot of this, like, and I want to say it's like cookie cutter or or watered down, you know, techniques about project management. Yeah. And in order to really understand project management, the the projects are gonna move the world forward. The things that are changing that our world needs to be better, a better place are being led by project managers.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

And so what won't work for them is gonna be, you know, let's just have growth mindset today, you know, versus fixed mindset. Those are some like really generic terminology around that there's a lot of depth that it has to have around, well, what is growth mindset? How do I measure it? How do I manage it? How do I really truly become the person I want to become? So we put together this group where we're gonna have those strong conversations where we take those higher level things and we're gonna break them down to like, how do you really do this stuff so that we can pull the future forward faster and impact on those mission critical projects and make them succeed, help them succeed?

SPEAKER_00 17:39

That's our I love that. I love that. And so just so everybody knows, because any can any project managers join this? Can anybody join this with you guys? And you guys meeting on a regular cadence or yeah, one of the things that we're doing is we're gonna kick it off.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

And you know, the global standard, the the the project management book of knowledge eight came out, and everybody's all like, oh, okay, we're gonna do the thing. And it's it's a standard for a reason, everybody. You know, the the PIMBOC, it's you know, it's it's one of those things, either you hate it, you love it, it it's but it's got a lot of good information in there. I'm telling you, when I got into aerospace and nuclear, I leveraged all of that stuff about scope schedule cost and all the integration and the you know earned value. Literally all of my PMP training was 100% utilized. And by the way, Joseph Phillips helped with that.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

And so all of that stuff happened. And it was like, so when I talk about the PINBOC, I'm very passionate about it because just like anything, you got to take what is useful, discard what is useless, and then make the essence your own. You got to tailor it. So we're kicking this off, and the very first session is coming up on next Tuesday, the 20th. And I'm gonna lead by talking about the standard, the PINBOC, and I'm to do a quick high level where we're gonna go through it and I'm gonna talk about section one and two. And then over the next couple sessions, we're all gonna break it out and have really good conversations with people around what it is, how to use it, what sucks, what rocks, what doesn't. You know, we're gonna go through all the things.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

That's amazing. I love that. I think it's so great that you're willing to do these things and build these, you know, other people up and explain things to them in a way that's relatable as well. And just to just to backtrack a little bit, um, for anybody who's listening who doesn't know, Joseph Phillips is a world-renowned um project management trainer. I was extremely honored, still I'm extremely honored. I was his executive assistant for six years. We did many, many projects together, many, many courses together. He has over a million and a half students. If you are not connected with him, you certainly should be. So that's a free plug for Joe. And just for all for all the leadership. And I am who I am uh a lot because of Joe. He is a wonderful leader, an extremely good mentor. He was very, very kind and gracious to teach me a lot of the things that I know. And so no shame in plugging him at all. All right, so let's go to well, first of all, I want to talk about something a little fun for a minute. So tell us about how you're a rock star. Let's talk a little bit about that. That's different.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Yeah, so I I do I love music. I think music is the the thing. You know, music is one of the most important aspects to most people's life, right? It helps us, you know, it's like a time machine. It's funny. Have you ever heard a song and it like it transports you back to, you know, this place you can smell what you were smelling, feel what you were feeling, think what you're thinking. So I'm a huge fan of music. And growing up, I come from a long line of musicians. My grandfather played with Hank Williams Sr. Uh, my grandma was a rockabilly pianist, you know. So um, I learned how to sing and play guitar really well. And now I play music. I have me and Brooke, so my partner, Brooke, Brooke Braga, she uh and her and I play in music, one of us called Atomic 45. And then I've got Are You Ready, Everybody? Metallica Tribute Band, where a group of people got me together and they were like, Would you be willing to play in a Metallica tribute here locally? And I was like, in Portland, and I'm like, sure, why not? And you know, the they're a really fun band, and uh they're what arguably one of the biggest bands in the world, and they have been for a long time. They're still packing that is incredible. It is, it's crazy. And so we play here locally and we get to be little rock stars. So we pack shows, we get to get up there and play. And I'm I'm a I'm the singer guitar player in Jake Tetfield, and we pack these big big shows as if we were Metallica.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

That is so fun. I love it. And I really thought that was a fun thing to share with everybody too, because you know, I think everybody should know how exciting and how multifaceted what you do is and where a lot of your energy comes from. I also come from a family of musicians as well. Dr. Chambers, my dad, who is the founder of IWL, plays just uh, I don't know, their instruments or so. Um, and we grew up with instruments, playing instruments and all of that. And so it's, and I agree with you. Actually, we were my church services I was in this past Sunday, that part of the message was talking about like you can hear a song, right? And you can hear that song that you haven't heard in 20 years, and you're just you know every word, you know where you were at the time you heard it. And so you're so right. It's so integral to what we're, you know, our lives and in different things that we're doing. And I think it's really fun that you and Brooke do that. And that you have that way to kind of get out of the desk and the project management and all of that. And not that it's not fun, right? Because what you guys are doing is really fun, but it gives you a different outlet.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I just, you know, what what instrument do you play?

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Well, so I don't currently. I really should, right? I grew up playing the flute. And here's a fun fact for no one who knows I went to a high school in Marietta, Georgia, and I did the marching band and I did ColorGuard, but we had a unique opportunity. We got to go play in Carnegie Hall. So yeah. So I've actually played in Carnegie Hall. Um, I'm not gonna say it was great, um, but I do not currently play anything, probably should. Um my son is currently taking uh piano lessons, he's six. Um and he just had his first recital in December, and so that was fun. Um, so kind of have a whole lot of a lot of different stuff going on. It's a lot of fun. It's dear to my heart too, because I just grew up with all of that. My brother played the trumpet, um, and we were just really involved in all that. So way back, way back when I was really little, they were playing the spoons and stuff. And exact, hey, it's coming back though. There's there's a lot of YouTube videos on that.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

So I'll rock some spoons. I'm not scared. I gotta I got it down.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

There you go. There you go. All right, well, let's get back to some leadership questions. What happens to teams and leaders when guidance, clarity, and healthy leadership are missing?

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Boy, guidance, clarity, and healthy leadership are missing. Wow. So without clarity, right, we're we're pretty much blind. So I would have to say chaos and uncertainty reign. And you know, the one thing about you know project management is our goal as leaders is to create certainty in an uncertain world, right? So because people, even though we don't necessarily all a lot of us say, I thrive in uncertainty, but the question is, do we really? We we think we do in a lot of instances. And from my experience working with a lot, thousands and thousands of people, you know, we'll say, Oh, I love uncertainty in certain aspects, right? Certain aspects of my life. But for the most part, people want to know, like you give them a task, they want certainty that they can, that they might be able to achieve it somewhat. They want certainty that you're actually have their best interest in mind. So our goal as leaders is that we have to create uns, we have to create certainty in an uncertain world. We have to, our whole job is to give clarity and vision. Without it, everything is blurred and unfocused. Right. And then if you have, if you don't have leadership, if it's missing, I mean, what do you have? You have managers, and don't get me wrong, managers are not, it's not that managers are not leaders. It's just a management is the action of getting the doers to do the doing, and you miss almost the human component aspect in a lot of ways because you're thinking task driven instead of people driven.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

That's from what you asked, that's kind of how I see it.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Yeah, and I love that. I think that you're exactly right. Like, I I can give a task, right? I can say I need you to print out this form for me. Um, and I can do that all day long and never have leadership in it, like why we're doing it, how we're doing it. Or I think I think something that a lot of leaders kind of run into is like sharing too, I think there's a fine line, sharing too much of the negative. Like, I don't need you uncertain if you're gonna get a paycheck next week. I need you certain that you're gonna get that paycheck. And so I think sometimes we feel like, oh, you know, if we share with our team, you know, they'll get on. No, that they're gonna jump ship if you share too much. So I think it's important that there's like a happy medium there. Not everybody needs to know everything that's in your leadership role. That's why you're the leader. Yeah, right. You're the one that's that's shouldering that. You're the one that gets the gets orchestration to get those things done, not to scare everybody and keep them in kind of a feeling of defeat, because we don't want that, right? We want to encourage people and lift them up. And please don't take me wrong, that's not like sticking our head in the sand. Like we don't want to stick our head in the sand. If if we're sinking, we should, you know, probably make make some some decisions and and let people know that. But I think as a general rule, the whole humdrum and like, oh, I don't know what's gonna happen. It's it's not a good place to lead from. You need you need that clarity, you need to have clear guidance. Look, we're gonna do A to B and we're gonna get it done and we're gonna have good results from it. So yeah, I like I love your answer to that. All right, we're gonna run through a couple more. So you teach the P is is PMP all you teach? Because I know you teach PMP.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

No, no, no, no. No, it's a very small thing of what we do.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Okay. So tell us a little bit more about and and forgive me because it's been a long, long morning already. Yeah, no. But I knew I know you teach PMP, and I know that's really important. So again, we'll reiterate the PMP is a project management professional certification. It's tested and issued through PMI, which is the Project Management Institute. There are various different kinds of trainers. There's in-person trainers like Jeremiah does, um, there's online trainers. So it actually we're gonna have a lot of different, I don't say a lot, a few different ones on here as well. But Jeremiah is one of the top trainers in the industry. He trains a lot of people in this. So talk to us a little bit about that and how that's changing right now. Um, and then some of the other stuff that you guys train as well.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

Sure, sure. You know, the P and P for me is the reason why I got into this, is I I met Andy Kaufman. So if anybody here knows Andy Kaufman, he is a legend in the project management community. He's awesome. He's got a podcast called the People Project Podcast. I'm just I'm not trying to plug it, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

No, it's fine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

And him and I met, you know, working with Kayla McGuire. She's another really, really awesome, incredible, you know, project management. She's a business and a business consultant, just incredible, all-around great human. And her and I were doing some team training down in Silicon Valley. And Andy came in to do this keynote. And him and I got talking, we started talking about project management. And I'm I train teams. Just so a side note, I train teams, high performance teams. I help businesses with their culture, I help recover projects, all kinds of things. But we started talking, and he has this really, really cool, you know, university business, you know, project management essentials training that he does. And he was like, I would love for you to facilitate that. If you're interested, come to the thing. And so we got in there, we started talking. And so we ended up in a partnership where I was working with Andy and I go to the universities and do the businesses and I help and I train this essentials with him. Um, it's it's somewhat he's got a group of facilitators, and we work with Andy, and it was awesome. And then I was like, Well, I really want to get you know people to learn the project management, the PMP correctly, because I've been on the other side of the fence working in defense where I needed PMPs to have that knowledge. And I would go and I would I would hire them, but they hacked a test versus passed a test and understood it and was using it. And it's it's kind of the downfall with any test, right? People figure out ways around it. So I was like, I am going to train the PMP for all of my peers out there who need real, you know, project management professionals. If you study with us, you learn it at the deepest level. And so we teach you one, how to pass the PMP, but we also teach you how to use it. And through our course, there's exercises where we're really helping you implement and do this out in the real world so you can really ingrain it to become project management professionals. So I have a live class where I do that. It's actually a self-paced live class where we do it over 90 days. People get in there, they can join anytime. And I'm in there, I train them once a day, once a week. We get in there and we do awesome stuff. And then we have a full community of rockin' people having fun. Yes, you can have fun training the PMP. It's an experience, not it doesn't need to be grueling. And then we take you through the whole journey and we're there with you until the moment you pass. And it's very, very personal. And it's something that I am doing as a way to give back to something that served me incredibly well and transformed my life. That's one. And then I take I've trained teams and uh high performing teams, and then I coach executives, and I have a whole program that helps executives really understand who they are and how to lead their teams better. So people love what they do, why they do it, how they do it, and most importantly, who they do it for.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Yes. And one thing, one thing I I was thinking as you were talking is like one thing I really want to hone in on is like there's a lot of different trainers out there, right? It's but for for everything, right? A lot of different trainers for the PMP. And I think what's important, because I know a lot of you from from the project that we did before, just you know, being in this industry, I think one of the important things for people to realize is that they need to find somebody that they can connect well with.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Because I mean, let's just be honest, not everyone's gonna like Amanda, not everyone's gonna like Jeremiah, not everyone's gonna want to listen to my voice, but they might want to listen to your voice. And so I think it's important to one, know the mission of the person that's teaching, right? What are they doing and why are they doing it? And then what's their strategy? Is that strategy gonna work for you? Is it gonna work for your schedule? And do you want to hear this person? You want to listen to them. I mean, surely there's some people I don't want to listen to, and you know, that I can't, because this is a really serious process of learning this information, right? It is um, and and it's it's grueling, um, which is why I haven't done it. No, I well, like I have my C A PM. I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

You know, one thing I want to pull on that really quick. That is the most important thing that you said there is it it doesn't, there's so many different trainers. You got to find what's right for your learning style.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

And honestly, also for the for what we do, I literally talk to every single person before they join our community because I want to make sure that it's right with me and that and I'm a good fit for them, you know, because I'm high energy, everybody. If you haven't noticed, like we get it done. And so if you if you need somebody who's a little slower talker to explain, totally cool. I'm gonna go in there and deliver it. I'm gonna make sure you know it and understand it and ingrain it, but this is who I am. So if this is too much for some people, and it is.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

Yeah. And there's some people that that aren't enough for other people. And I that's why I think it's important that you find you know if you're going for this, if you're doing, you know, your training for your PMP, that you find a good fit for that. And I love too one thing I've noticed about you, because I I kind of watch on on LinkedIn and everything. Um, if it isn't a good fit, you're gonna find them a good fit. I mean you're not just like, hey, see you bye, you know, because we have a good network of of people out there that we can say, hey, this is really not, I'm probably not your person. And that's okay. But I want to get you the right person. I want to find you the right person that's gonna be able to train you. And I know for a fact that you and Brick do that. And I love that because it's not a competition. And we're all we're all allowed to win, it's all okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

We need to, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

And we're all unique. Yeah. It is, and there's a lot of you out there, and and so yeah, it can get a little daunting sometimes. I think few people feel like, well, I don't know which direction to go or which person to to go with. And I think the fact that you will talk to them and kind of mentor through that in the beginning is unique because if I came to you and I said, Hey, Jeremiah, I I want to get my PMP, tell me, walk me through it. And you said to me, Hey, I'm probably not your best fit based on your schedule, um what you have going on, what your goals are. But let me tell you who is a good fit for you and what would work for you. And so I think that's a really beautiful thing. And I think that that is a testament to good leadership. And it it trains people and teaches people that it's okay that there's differences in all of us. Um, all right. So here's the fun part. So on this podcast, we're gonna ask most everybody, I if I if I can remember every time, the same two questions because I think it's really important. Like all of our perspectives and life journeys are different, right? And so we've been through some different things. And so I think it's gonna be interesting to hear what everybody's answers on these are. So the first question is to name a leader that you admire and share briefly why that leader influenced you.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

Okay, so here's here's the I one of the number one leaders that really changed my life was a guy by the name of Joe Corbelli. And Joe Corbelli was an is an incredible leader that I met working in, he's a program, a senior vice president program manager in aerospace. And he really taught me the power of we, not me.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

And he and he was like, he would catch your language because words matter. And if you were like, well, you know, if you were, if you were talking and you would separate yourself from the team, he would, he would kind, he would nicely correct it. And he was a master of the pre-frame and the framing of how to set up a meeting, how to get people to do things. And his demeanor, I I never seen him get shaken. And we we did some things. We worked, we ended up in some projects, doing some stuff together, and he really showed me he was model the way. Model the way is one of the number one things, right? Which is another way of saying, you know, lead from the front. You know, but you can't, it's not like do as I say, not as I do. That's not that's not the thing. It's model the way, lead from the front, right? He was one of those people. He would model the way, and he showed me what it meant to be an exceptional leader, not just in words and I mean, but how he actually led the team. Yeah, and so he was one of the most influential people in my career and helped change my life.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

I love that. That's wonderful. And that's what I mean. Everybody's answer is gonna be different because it may be some really historical person that has really spoken to your life by the things that they've done and and the things that they have emulated. And then it may be somebody that you came along in your career. It may be somebody that would never even know that they were a leader to you and taught you and shaped you. And I think that's so beautiful because it it there's a wide array, and everybody's answer is so different. And I just love it. I'm having a lot of fun with that. So awesome.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

It's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 35:01

All right, last question. Um, and then we'll kind of wrap up a little bit. When you think about your legacy as a leader, what lasting impact do you hope it will have on people or organizations?

SPEAKER_01 35:13

You know, for me, you know, leadership is all about truly under it's the self-exploring journey of life. I don't believe that you can be a leader nine to five. I don't think that's a leader. One of the things that I'm trying to leave behind is that, you know, leadership is the ultimate advantage in everything we do. And I know there's a lot of people that do this, but if you can really truly understand yourself at the deepest level, no matter what you've gone through, and then you can regulate yourself, you can then inspire others, and we have the ripple effect of positivity and good things out in the world. And that kind of stuff, especially when you're talking about productivity performance. Now, I specifically am talking about people who are achievers. That's my legacy. I work with high achievers, people who want to contribute and grow to make society better, their communities better, themselves better. And all of us have the limiting beliefs and the fears that have been established in us from our childhood. It's innate in a lot of us. We have to have a higher power no matter what that is, some kind of spiritual guidance that takes us to the next level. We have to understand what that is. And when we do and we lock into that, the world becomes our playground. Life is happening for us, not just to us. And that's so important when we realize that. So my mission when I get around people is I believe energy is contagious, and I want to spread, I want to spread energy and emotion that's worth catching. And I want to make the world better in the end. That's my whole goal with every interaction that I make.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

I want to tell you something, Jeremiah. You're killing it at it. So you're doing it. You do a great job. So, really quick, I thought about this when it when you were answering that, because I think about this sometimes when, you know, like it there's not a single one of us that our emotions don't kind of get out of control sometimes and we don't, you know, have to like check ourselves or should check ourselves. So, real quick before we end, I want you to speak just a little bit on the you're gonna have to say it for me. But maybe hijack.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

Yeah, maybe we'll hijack.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

Yeah. So I want you to talk to us a little bit about that because that's something that you really spoke into my life and something that has really, really kind of helped to shape me. Um, and I know, I know it's kind of long and multifaceted, but just tell us a little bit about it, and then people can come to you and learn a little bit more about it if they want to too.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Yeah, so every one of us have triggers in the world, and it's based off of the moments and events we've had in our life and the meaning that we give those moments. And a lot of our brain is our brain is constantly searching for things to go wrong and self-preservation. There can just be, you know, you ever been driving down the road and got really mad at somebody out of nowhere because they cut you off, really wasn't bad, you don't know. But over time, you've created some kind of a meaning around that, and it's your high your amygdala is getting hijacked and causing you to amp up in frustration. It can be fear, it's the fight, flight, or freeze, fawn, fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. Those things happen. So we have to overcome fear. We have to understand what our relationship is with fear first because this happens to us everywhere, all over the world, all the time. It's happening constantly. And if we're not in control of our emotions, we're out of control. We only control ourselves, we influence others.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

So we have to stop, understand the triggers in our life because once you do, you can self-regulate. And that's really, really crucial in a world that's moving so fast with so much uncertainty in it, is for us to be able to know what that feeling is inside before our amygdala hijacks, and then how can we handle ourselves in the moment? That's emotional intelligence. That is self-regulation part of it, self-management. And we have to constantly be searching for the way to reframe that to keep our amygdala, which is naturally doing this at bay and our willpower high. And the way you do this is you manage your state. You have to show up and know how do I want to interact in this meeting? Who am I in this meeting? Am I inspired, focused, and confident? And you go in there, inspired, focused, and confident. How do I raise my energy to a level of a peak state so that you're not at a lower state? Because a lower state, the easier it is to hijack your emotions.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

So that's kind of like out there. It's very, very critical if we work on one thing is to work on how we get triggered and how we handle that in a moment. That is executive presence. That is you in the moment regulating yourself. And that is the actual performance indicator of emotional intelligence.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

And I I'm so I'm so glad I remember to ask you about that because I really have used that so much. So Jeremiah teaches this in a, in a, in a course that he has on period. So I have really, really used that more times than I can even tell you to kind of just recheck myself and say, okay, um, you know, I need to do this differently or think about this differently or reframe like this situation. Is it really what I think it is? Or is it, you know, maybe it's a little bit different than what my brain is telling me that it is. Um, and I love that. And I love we got to speak about that as well. I just want to thank you so much for being on here. I feel like every time I talk to you that I learned something and that I get to be a little bit smarter, at least for a while. You are absolutely brilliant. I hope that everybody watching, everybody listening will go and connect with Jeremiah on LinkedIn. He's super easy to find. He posts a lot of really fun and exciting stuff. And so I would highly recommend connecting with him. And is it projectrevolution.com?

SPEAKER_01 40:14

Yep, it's it's projectrevolution llc.com.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Lc.com. And so we will put all this information um at the bottom of the video. You can link to him on LinkedIn, you can link to their business um and connect with them. And I highly, highly advise that you follow because you are really truly brilliant. I don't, I don't think a lot of people know the depths of the intelligence that you have and what you have to share. And so it's an honor to be able to share that with people.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

So much. I appreciate that. I'm honored. I'm honored to be here with you. And you know what, Amanda? I also want to honor and congratulate you on what you're doing taking over the company and where you're growing it to. And it's it's an incredible mission, and I'm honored to be part of it. And I can't wait to see what you do.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Thank you. I appreciate that so much. It's a lot of fun. It's been a wild ride the last couple of months, but it's a lot of fun. I'm really, really honored and blessed to have so many people like you that are encouraging me who have given me insights and information and connections. And it's really amazing the community that we have in that we're also willing to work together and do things together. So thank you for your time. I know it's precious. Um, and I'm so grateful to you. And I know we'll be talking again soon, and maybe we can we can do some other stuff together too.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

So absolutely. I'd be honored. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Thank you all.